Time  Nick           Message
00:06 rangi          !jenkins build koha_master now
00:06 jenkins_koha   rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
00:06 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1028 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1021 1 day 22 hr ago)
00:26 BobB           Is anyone else having trouble connecting to LOC via Z3950?
01:11 jenkins_koha   Yippie, build fixed!
01:11 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1028: FIXED in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1028/
01:45 wizzyrea       hm, opinion - a library is annoyed because the advance notices and the due notice both show date issued instead of date due
01:46 wizzyrea       my inclination is to show both
01:46 rangi          can't hurt
01:46 rangi          @wunder nzwn
01:46 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on January 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Falling).
01:46 rangi          it looks warmer than 19 to me
01:46 Dyrcona        @wunder 01844
01:46 wizzyrea       it's warm but there's a bit of a chill
01:46 huginn         Dyrcona: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Methuen MA US, Methuen, Massachusetts is -10.6°C (8:18 PM EST on January 24, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling).  Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 10 am EST Friday... 
01:46 wizzyrea       warm in the sun
01:46 wizzyrea       chilly in the shade
01:47 Dyrcona        Freezing in the shade. :)
01:47 wizzyrea       :)
01:47 wizzyrea       you win for cold weather
01:47 wizzyrea       @wunder lawrence, ks
01:47 huginn         wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -3.2°C (7:45 PM CST on January 24, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
01:47 wizzyrea       no SO bad there
01:48 wizzyrea       @wunder boo
01:48 huginn         wizzyrea: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (1:50 AM CET on January 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
01:48 wizzyrea       !
01:48 wizzyrea       would not have guessed that one.
01:48 Dyrcona        Yeah, we should move to sunny Norway. :)
01:49 wizzyrea       @wunder antarctica
01:49 huginn         wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found.
01:49 eythian        rangi: there's still a leftover southerly breeze blowing, cooling it slightly
01:50 wizzyrea       it was downright chillish yesterday
01:50 rangi          ahh right
01:53 mtj            hi all, more friday fun -> http://imgur.com/a/wkzr5
01:56 eythian        @later tell cait http://imgur.com/a/wkzr5
01:56 huginn         eythian: The operation succeeded.
02:06 wizzyrea       hahaha
02:36 eythian        new koha packages uploading
02:36 rangi          sweet
02:41 cjh            \o/
02:42 wizzyrea       hey cjh
02:42 wizzyrea       feelin better?
02:42 cjh            wizzyrea: quite a bit actually :)
02:42 wizzyrea       yusssss
02:49 wizzyrea       ok regarding the duedate on notice thing - I suspect there will be squealing from the community if i just out and change it... suggestions?
02:49 wizzyrea       even though my way makes a lot more sense and it's stupid the way it is now. :P
02:49 wizzyrea       take that, diplomacy!
02:50 * wizzyrea     plots to ply them all with ginger beer.
02:50 wizzyrea       or real beer.
02:50 wizzyrea       who knows
04:10 mtj            fyi, wellington peeps - we are opening for lawrencearabia.com tmrw nite, if anyone is out n' about…
07:12 magnuse        hiya cait and #koha
07:16 alex_a         bonjour cait and magnuse
07:16 cait           hi all :)
07:17 cait           friday morning :)
07:17 magnuse        bonjour alex_a
07:37 magnuse        pizzaday!
07:37 magnuse        friday?
07:37 wahanui        hmmm... friday is pizzaday!
07:37 magnuse        yay!
07:42 cait           heh
07:44 reiveune       hello
07:45 magnuse        bojour reiveune
07:50 cait           bbl :)
08:24 gaetan_B       hello
08:27 kf             hi gaetan_B :)
08:27 gaetan_B       :)
09:03 kf             good friday morning drojf
09:07 drojf          hi kf :)
09:24 * gaetan_B     disappears in a black hole
09:24 magnuse        oh noes!
09:24 kf             hope he comes back and doesn't end up in another dimension
09:24 magnuse        yup
09:51 gerundio       good morning everyone
10:07 kf             h igeru
10:07 kf             hi gerundio :)
10:07 gerundio       I've been called worse ehehehe
10:09 kf             heh
10:12 drojf          hi gerundio
10:12 drojf          firefox os app day berlin 'sold out'
10:12 drojf          ha. i got a ticket 'just in case' yesterday
10:13 kf             :)
10:13 kf             cool
10:13 kf             rangi is going there tomorrow
10:13 kf             in wellington
10:13 drojf          so there will be a koha app already :D
10:14 drojf          yeah i saw wellington on the list and was wondering if somebody of the koha folks is going
10:14 gerundio       a brand new Koha Firefox OS app on the forge drojf? :p
10:14 drojf          i'd love them to have some phones ready when it is in berlin ;)
10:15 gerundio       don't know if you'll be that lucky
10:15 drojf          probably not
10:15 gerundio       the event mentions "Firefox OS Simulator", so I'm guessing that'll be the showcase method
10:16 gerundio       but hey, you never know
10:16 drojf          i'd also be fine to jump up the queue for a developer phone :P
10:16 gerundio       has any hardware manufacturer already partned with Mozilla on this?
10:16 drojf          yes, there is geeksphone, they will anounce more info on developer phones in february
10:17 drojf          http://www.geeksphone.com/
10:17 drojf          they have two models soon
10:19 * magnuse      wants a geek phone, just based on the name :-)
10:19 gerundio       lets see how it manages on the mobile market
10:20 * magnuse      would also like to see html5 take the place of native apps
10:20 gerundio       hmm, not in the near future I guess
10:20 drojf          i think the web-y-browse-y stuff will work alright, but there seems to be no layer to run anything not web-based.
10:21 magnuse        yay
10:21 magnuse        :-)
10:21 gerundio       Facebook went down that road for their iOS app and said it was their worst decision
10:22 gerundio       any Android users among you guys?
10:22 drojf          magnuse: i'd like to be able to run scripts or something at least ;)
10:22 gerundio       check this new gadget by Always Innovating: http://androidcommunity.com/mecam-49-helicopter-follows-you-and-streams-live-video-to-your-android-20130124/
10:22 drojf          gerundio: i used android for 15 minutes a few days ago. to learn how to root a phone for a friend :D but i don't have an android device
10:23 * magnuse      has an android phone, somewhat reluctantly after having an n900 with the debian-based maemo os...
10:24 drojf          hahaha that helicopter cam looks great
10:26 * drojf        still does not have a smartphone
10:26 drojf          not too happy with the operating systems available
10:26 drojf          i don't like google and i don't like apple to spy on me
10:28 gerundio       just buy an offline budget phone
10:29 gerundio       I don't know what will be the policies for the FirefoxOS and even for Ubuntu phone OS for that matter
10:29 drojf          i have a samsung phone for 15€. it can call and send sms
10:29 drojf          :D
10:30 gerundio       that's all I need too
10:30 gerundio       :D
10:31 * kf           has a smartphone but only uses it for internet and another phone for calling people :P
10:31 gerundio       kf, you should look into replacing that smartphone for a 7" tablet or so
10:32 drojf          i'd like a pocket internet. i hope to be able to really interact with the hardware on firefoxos. as in, have control over it. but we will see
10:32 kf             gerundio: I recently got a tablet... *sigh*
10:32 gerundio       internet experience in such a device is much better
10:32 * gerundio     got a Nexus 7 a while ago too
10:33 drojf          i have a tablet too. does not really fit in my pocket though (10")
10:33 gerundio       I used to think 10" was great, but now I'm pretty pleased with my 7"
10:33 gerundio       not to say the speed
10:34 * kf           has an asus transformer - it's nice
10:34 drojf          firefox os should be able to run on really low spec hardware. i'd buy a phone for ~100€ for occasional internet needs on the go and that seems possible. i would not really spend 400++€ for a phone
10:34 gerundio       offtopic: KOHA
10:35 gerundio       is scalar($field->subfields()) a good way to count the # of subfields on a given field?
10:35 kf             not sure if it's a good way but it seems like itwould work
10:35 drojf          i define "good way" by "it works", so don't ask me :)
10:35 gerundio       lolol
10:35 kf             would assigning it to a scalar variable without the scalar not work too?
10:36 kf             I am too much of a perl noob to tell you if it's good :)
10:36 gerundio       don't think you can beat me at the "perl noob" category, sorry the highest place in the podium is already taken kf :D
10:37 kf             heh
10:37 kf             i will not fight you for it
10:37 gerundio       the thing that strikes me the most about perl is there is always like ten ways to accomplish something
10:37 drojf          see, and i am happy if i find one of them :D
10:37 gerundio       which ultimately leaves me wondering which one is the right one
10:38 kf             gerundio: the reading list recommended to me was:
10:38 kf             learning perl, modern perl, perl best practices
10:39 kf             I am still stuck in the middle of modern perl
10:39 gerundio       I've got my hands on a copy of PBP just in case
10:39 kf             I think modern perl and perl best practices shoudl help answering that question
10:43 drojf          still tickets available for the app day in wellington if anyone is interested in a short holiday ;)
10:43 kf             if I coudl make it there on time... beamers
10:43 kf             someone shoudl work on that
10:45 drojf          i think the more realistic approach for the near future is using a 3d printer to replicate stuff on the other end of the world. that would not work with a copy of kf i suppose ;)
10:45 kf             hhmmm
10:49 magnuse        there is more than one way to do it ftw! :-)
11:01 pastebot       "gerundio" at pasted "Snippet to remove 610a subfield" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/368
11:01 gerundio       when I run the script with that code for a given record
11:02 gerundio       the 610a field is removed
11:02 gerundio       and even the whole 610 field is gone if subfield a was the only subfield
11:03 gerundio       but if I re-run the script for the same record I get "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at remove_unimarc_610a_value.pl line 96." which refers to the "$record->field('610');" line
11:04 gerundio       as $record is now returning NULL
11:04 gerundio       any idea what I might be doing wrong here?
11:11 gerundio       just to add more info on this
11:11 gerundio       the database record on biblio looks fine
11:12 gerundio       the 610 field is gone from the marcxml collumn
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11:27 magnuse        gerundio: you need to check if there is a 610 before you try to do anything with it
11:28 magnuse        wrap everything under "# Retrieve field 610" in an "if ( $record->field('610') ) {...}"
11:28 gerundio       magnuse, I can add that check to the script although the error is reported earlier in the script
11:29 gerundio       the $record in returned as undef or NULL not the $field
11:30 magnuse        if the whole record is undef/NULL after you edited it, it sounds like the editing did something wrong...
11:30 gerundio       in should be read as is ^^
11:31 gerundio       that's the whole code
11:31 gerundio       I remove subfield 610a if it exists
11:31 gerundio       check if field 610 was left with no subfields
11:31 gerundio       and if that's the case I remove it completely
11:32 gerundio       then save the changes using ModBiblio
11:32 gerundio       I'm not that familiar with the C4::Biblio and MARC::Record libraries
11:32 gerundio       so I'm betting I'm using the methods in any wrong way
11:33 magnuse        hm
11:33 magnuse        the error was "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at remove_unimarc_610a_value.pl line 96."
11:33 magnuse        this line does not call method "subfield": my $field          = $record->field('610');
11:33 magnuse        but this does: my $subfield = $field->subfield('a');
11:34 magnuse        so i think that last one has to be line 96?
11:37 gerundio       hmm, you got a point there
11:37 gerundio       it seems I've been reading it wrong since the start
11:37 gerundio       magnuse++ I'll work on that
11:38 magnuse        yay :-)
11:56 gerundio       magnuse++ you deserve it... enough said :p
11:56 magnuse        cool :-)
12:57 slef           anyone remember what it was about something like a --no-ff option when merging?
12:58 slef           "Generate a merge commit even if the merge resolved as a fast-forward"
12:58 jcamins_away   slef: yes, without that you can't revert merges.
12:58 slef           so to revert them, use rebase -i to remove the merge commit?
12:59 jcamins_away   No.
12:59 slef           use revert later?
12:59 jcamins_away   Just use git revert -m 1 {REVERT_COMMIT_ID}
12:59 jcamins_away   Yeah.
13:00 jcamins_away   If you are rebasing you don't need --no-ff
13:00 slef           I wonder what that looks like on the tree
13:00 slef           I'm making a new local test deployment... 3.8.9 plus some enh from later
13:00 magnuse        it looks like nice xmas decorations ;-)
13:00 slef           magnuse: :)
13:02 slef           heh, I got halfway through the merges before Merge conflict in installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl
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13:18 * chris_n      read "rebasing" as "rebashing"
13:19 * chris_n      wonders if "rebashing" is some form of rewriting bash scripts
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13:44 oleonard       Hi #koha
13:44 kf_lunch       hi oleonard
14:21 * magnuse      waves at all the new arrivals :-)
14:21 oleonard       Hey, that's me!
14:21 * oleonard     waves back
14:21 gerundio       :)
14:22 magnuse        :-)
14:23 * magnuse      admires his shiny new raspberry pi through it's shiny new see-through plastic case ;-)
14:23 jcamins_away   :)
14:24 drojf          :)
14:25 magnuse        now all it needs are some cables, some storage and some time... ;-)
14:25 gerundio       I've been thinking of buying one to setup as a media center with XBMC
14:25 drojf          nah, you have to install koha on it :P
14:26 gerundio       still not sure how it behaves on 720p or 1080p movies though
14:26 gerundio       drojf, why stop with just 1x pi, right? :D
14:26 drojf          the gpu shluld be capable of running that ok. not sure about xmbc having access to hardware decoding though
14:26 drojf          should
14:27 * magnuse      will try it as a media center, probably
14:27 drojf          firefox os runs on a pi too ;)
14:27 magnuse        ooh
14:27 drojf          but i think the ported version is really old now
14:28 drojf          i don't feel like porting that myself. and by i don't feel like i mean i doubt i am able to do that
14:28 slef           is firefox os all-FOSS?
14:28 drojf          slef: don't know yet
14:28 drojf          waiting for answers :)
14:29 slef           there was some confusion on a list I read, so someone asked in a comment on the website and the Mozilla rep avoided the question, which sowed FUD
14:29 drojf          there is not much info out on the "linux" part (kernel+whatever there is) called gonk
14:29 magnuse        on the note in the box it says debian squeeze is recommended - i thought there was a special distro, raspbian or something?
14:29 slef           I'll mention any update I get, if you want.
14:29 drojf          magnuse: what box?
14:29 wahanui        box is probably missing.
14:29 slef           wahanui: forget box
14:29 wahanui        slef: I forgot box
14:30 drojf          magnuse: also, take raspian. it's wheezy +x
14:30 * druthb       thinks it'd be cool to have a koha "appliance" built around a Pi.  Plug it in, give it an IP addy, and start configurin' Koha.
14:31 drojf          druthb: a koha live-pi? :D
14:31 magnuse        druthb: yeah!
14:31 magnuse        drojf: yeah!
14:31 drojf          i was thinking about that, but that would be a pretty large file
14:31 magnuse        drojf: the pi itself came in a pink plastic box
14:31 druthb         yep.  I could sell the heck out of that to small rural libraries.  ILS in a box.
14:32 drojf          magnuse: ah, ok. that is probably  ooold info :)
14:32 magnuse        druthb: yeah!
14:33 gerundio       I just got a complaint about fine values not showing up in the overdue notices sent to patrons
14:33 gerundio       bug 8378
14:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
14:33 druthb         Places where network connectivity is twitchy, and a hosted solution is not a good idea....
14:33 drojf          druthb: mine even made its own WiFi network. no need for internet ;)
14:33 gerundio       this is still an active bug
14:33 drojf          the solar part did not work so well
14:34 gerundio       so I'm guessing that koha isn't sending fine values... is that it?
14:36 drojf          slef: my second raspberry pi was actually produced in the UK, as they claimed to do from the beginning
14:39 slef           drojf: I did not know that, or that it wasn't. I assumed it was exploitative Chinaware like most stuff.
14:39 drojf          i think parts of the production still are
14:44 magnuse        mine says "made in china"...
14:46 * kf_lunch     growls
14:46 kf_lunch       sorry :)
14:47 * kf_lunch     gets frustrated trying to figure this out
14:47 magnuse        figure what out, kf_lunch?
14:47 kf             something I am working on, it's ok
14:48 drojf          made in china reminds me that i wanted to watch the "are fair computers possible" talk from 29c3
14:49 * slef         hands kf a kitten kebab
14:49 slef           drojf: got link?
14:49 slef           huginn: google "are fair computers possible" 29c3
14:49 huginn         slef: Lightning Talks - 29C3 Public Wiki: <http://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/wiki/Lightning_Talks>; Workshops - 29C3 Public Wiki: <http://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/wiki/Workshops>; 29c3-Videos › Nerdcore: <http://www.crackajack.de/2012/12/29/29c3-videos/>; 29C3 Review | Lukas' Weblog: <http://lukas-prokop.at/blog/2013/01/29c3-review/>; Gratefulfrog's GratefulBlog: 29C3 - 29th Chaos Communications (1 more message)
14:50 slef           what's the latest 3.8 release?
14:51 magnuse        3.8.9
14:51 slef           cool, thanks, thought I was going nuts
14:51 slef           and I was :)
14:51 druthb         No one noticed, slef.  Happens to me, too.
14:52 * druthb       went nuts a long time ago, but y'all just go along with it, so it's okay.
14:52 drojf          slef: ah, it was in german
14:52 drojf          either go to http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/29C3/ choose a format and look for 29c3-5121-de-en-sind_faire_computer_moeglich or on youtube (embedded in an article) at https://netzpolitik.org/2013/fair-hergestellte-hardware-ist-das-moglich/ )
14:53 slef           drojf: kein Problem
14:53 drojf          :)
14:54 slef           hrm, I wonder if my tv plays mp4
14:54 slef           it's a DVB-T2 set... it should, shouldn't it?
14:54 drojf          isn't that mpeg2?
14:55 slef           HEsomething AAC
14:55 slef           DVB-T is definitely mpeg2
14:55 slef           not sure about T2
14:55 slef           it's new to me
14:56 drojf          i didn't know there is T2 at all. i don't care much about tv :)
14:57 drojf          now that i have to pay for it, i probably should
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15:18 slef           drojf: I don't care about T2 but it seemed a good idea to get a TV that supported it as there was not much price difference.
15:19 slef           drojf: I was rather surprised it can pick up T2 signals from as far away as Manchester, 5h travel away, in good weather.
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15:20 slef           [off] #include <rants/ala/wasting-library-money/exhibitor-fees>
15:30 drojf          third person to report Z39.50 problems
15:33 slef           drojf: with loc.gov or koha or what?
15:33 drojf          Anyone else having problems grabbing records through Z39.50 in the past couple of days?  Our FirstSearch, LOC & NYPL destinations all return errors ...
15:33 drojf          in koha
15:34 drojf          (on the mailing list)
15:35 libsysguy      oleonard has given me a great gift today
15:35 libsysguy      loads of easy patches to QA
15:39 kf             libsysguy: yuo know you should start with older ones/bug fixes ;)
15:40 kf             can't always pick the easy ones
15:40 libsysguy      :'(
15:40 jcamins_away   Bugfixes especially.
15:40 jcamins_away   I have a bugfix that has been awaiting QA for quite a while.
15:40 libsysguy      oh?
15:40 libsysguy      what #?
15:40 wahanui        # is, like, for root
15:40 jcamins_away   Chances are there are a bunch of others, too.
15:41 jcamins_away   Bug 9174.
15:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9174 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Item type image does not display for biblio-level itemtypes in list display in OPAC
15:41 jcamins_away   Okay, only three weeks.
15:42 jcamins_away   But there's also bug 9222, 9201, 9226, 9320, 9323, 8451, etc. :P
15:42 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl
15:43 kf             hehe
15:43 kf             do 3 bug fixes and you can do some of the easy ones after
15:43 * kf           offers a deal ;)
15:43 jcamins_away   Yes! Good idea!
15:43 libsysguy      fine fine
15:43 jcamins_away   And now I _really_ have to go finish getting my things together, so that we can leave for a much-needed vacation.
15:43 libsysguy      psh vacation
15:43 kf             jcamins_away: enjoy while I am going to fail your patches :P
15:44 jcamins_away   lol
15:44 jcamins_away   As long as they move forward.
15:45 libsysguy      forward++
15:45 * kf           is looking at query parser
15:45 oleonard       forward->->
15:47 libsysguy      [off] <-LL-> after the marshall breeding survey
15:53 slef           drojf: LOC z39.50 failed for us today, but it's not something that the library I'm working for today uses, so I've not investigated.
15:54 jcamins_away   slef: gmcharlt sent an e-mail to the list explaining the problem.
15:54 jcamins_away   Columbia and Smithsonian work fine for me, though.
15:54 slef           jcamins_away: looking... (I wish gmane koha archive worked)
15:55 slef           http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Z39-50-issues-td5740217.html
15:55 jcamins_away   slef: you don't receive the mailing lists to your e-mail?
15:56 slef           jcamins_away: yes, but I read that mailbox only daily.
15:57 jcamins_away   Ah.
15:57 slef           well, mostly daily
15:57 jcamins_away   Oh, hey, I should update my VM before I leave.
15:57 slef           some days not at all, other days repeatedly
16:01 jcamins_away   Wow. Lots to download.
16:02 * oleonard     hands jcamins_away a yak to shave
16:06 gmcharlt       jcamins_away: I've asked somebody at LC about whether z3950.loc.gov will be coming back, and if they all would rather we use lx2.loc.gov instead
16:06 jcamins_away   gmcharlt++
16:07 reiveune       bye
16:12 magnuse        lazy question: what's the state of dbic and koha?
16:13 jcamins_away   magnuse: stalled until Koha is actually persistance-ready.
16:13 magnuse        ah, ok
16:15 kf             jcamins_away: so the patches from elliott won't work?
16:16 kf             or am i confusing something?
16:16 libsysguy      ?
16:16 jcamins_away   They will work, but I don't see how we can put them in right now.
16:16 jcamins_away   The performance hit for CGI is pretty significant, and we don't offer any alternative.
16:16 libsysguy      until somebody signs off on the nginx stuff
16:16 * libsysguy    prods
16:17 jcamins_away   libsysguy: and until Plack, you know, works. :P
16:17 libsysguy      right…so to answer your question kf...never
16:17 libsysguy      :p
16:17 jcamins_away   Anything to do with notices is completely borked under Plack.
16:18 jcamins_away   That's part of the reason I did the new caching.
16:18 alohabot       Hi mib_e3s3d5, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
16:18 jcamins_away   It gives us a fighting chance of fixing the problem without needing to massively rewrite C4.
16:18 mib_e3s3d5     can anyone provide me with some help for Koha 2.2.5?
16:19 libsysguy      whoa mib_e3s3d5 I think that version is older than I am
16:19 jcamins_away   mib_e3s3d5: sorry, that's an incredibly old version.
16:19 jcamins_away   I don't think anyone provides support for it.
16:19 mib_e3s3d5     I know...I just have some basic needs.
16:19 drojf          lol libsysguy that is close to what i wanted to say
16:19 oleonard       2.x advice is always "upgrade"
16:19 mib_e3s3d5     out of my control on the upgrade for now.
16:20 mib_e3s3d5     I just need to know how to enter in an authors name.
16:20 jcamins_away   mib_e3s3d5: no one here has used Koha 2.x in a very long time, but if you'd like you could ask your question anyway, on the off-chance that someone has an answer.
16:21 * drojf        has never used koha < 3
16:21 * jcamins_away either.
16:21 kf             mib_I think most developers here have never seen it, as it's years old
16:21 kf             I have seen screenshots, that's all
16:21 * libsysguy    started on v3.4.x
16:21 jcamins_away   Right. Don't get your hopes up, but if your question is general enough, there's a chance that the question would be answerable based on general knowledge.
16:21 kf             3.0 almost 3.2 was my starting point
16:22 jcamins_away   I got involved only a few months after kf.
16:24 gerundio       I trying to make something out of bug 8378
16:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
16:24 gerundio       looking into "cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl" source code
16:24 oleonard       mib_e3s3d5: I've been around since before 2.2.5 and entering an author is pretty much the same as it is now if you use MARC: Edit the MARC record.
16:24 gerundio       can someone take a look at the parse_letter function
16:25 mib_e3s3d5     oleonard-can we talk privatly about this? I'm find giving a phone number to you to call or can I call you?
16:25 gerundio       and tell what is supposed to be come from that $item->{'fine'} = currency_format($currency_format, "$fine", FMT_SYMBOL)
16:25 mib_e3s3d5     this would be most most helpful.
16:26 oleonard       No mib_e3s3d5, I'm basing my advice on distant memory. I don't work with 2.x anymore and don't want to. Sorry :(
16:26 mib_e3s3d5     thanx for the carrot.
16:26 gerundio       run mib_e3s3d5 run :)
16:27 gerundio       btw, "The current release is 3.8, until at least October 2012, and the previous releases still being supported are 3.4 and 3.6."
16:27 gerundio       so 2.2.5 goes long before that
16:27 jcamins_away   gerundio: where does it say that?
16:27 drojf          mib_e3s3d5: what is the problem with entering the name=
16:27 gerundio       download?
16:27 wahanui        download is still 4.10
16:27 jcamins_away   gerundio: 'cause that's wrong.
16:27 gerundio       http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
16:27 jcamins_away   Ah.
16:27 jcamins_away   wahanui: forget download
16:27 wahanui        jcamins_away: I forgot download
16:28 jcamins_away   download is http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
16:28 jcamins_away   Thanks.
16:28 drojf          mib_e3s3d5: my guess would be, it is authority controlled and you cannot enter a name directly?
16:28 gerundio       jcamins_away, the wrong being the current version?
16:29 jcamins_away   gerundio: and what is supported.
16:29 jcamins_away   We don't support 3.4.
16:29 gerundio       so always current - 2?
16:29 jcamins_away   @later tell wizzyrea could you please edit http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ to note that the current release is 3.10, and the previous releases still being supported are 3.6 and 3.8?
16:29 huginn         jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
16:29 jcamins_away   gerundio: generally.
16:29 gerundio       don't tell me you're thinking about LTS :)
16:30 jcamins_away   gerundio: actually, there were threats to change it to current and current-1, but the RM's use of 3.6 persuaded someone to step up to maintain 3.6.
16:30 kf             gerundio: it gives you a formatted string I think
16:30 gerundio       RM as in Release Manager or Real Madrid? :o
16:31 kf             gerundio: you have to put <fine>ISOCODE</fine> in the notice
16:31 kf             and there is a perl library to deal with the formating where the routine belongs too
16:31 mib_e3s3d5     djrof-are you asking me?
16:31 kf             I waded through the documentation before, Ithink that part is right and should give you the formatted string with the right currency symbol
16:31 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @gmcharlt: "I was able to use the same wording when reporting a bug to both #kohails and #egils today... that doesn't happen often."
16:32 jcamins_away   gerundio: as in Release Manager.
16:35 gerundio       kf, I have <fine>EUR</fine> in the notice
16:35 gerundio       and all I get in the email message is EUR and no fine value
16:36 kf             hm ok
16:36 kf             is there a fine?
16:36 kf             F or FU for that item?
16:36 gerundio       and regarding your answer, been there and done that
16:36 gerundio       looked into the http://search.cpan.org/~tnguyen/Locale-Currency-Format-1.28/Format.pm documentation and code
16:36 kf             right, that is the one :)
16:36 gerundio       my question was about that particular code snippet
16:37 gerundio       let me give some more insight on what I'm seeing there
16:38 gerundio       I'll be using the code from github so we can see the same line numbers
16:38 gerundio       https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/blob/master/misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl
16:39 gerundio       scroll down to line 714
16:39 gerundio       so basically we set $currency_format = $1; if there's a tag <fine>something</fine> in the notice content, right?
16:40 jcamins_away   So long, everyone.
16:40 jcamins_away   Have a good week and a half.
16:41 gerundio       $1 as in the 1st argument passed on to the parse_letter function
16:41 gerundio       jcamins_away, you will be missed
16:41 gerundio       have fun and get some proper rest
16:41 kf             have anice vacation!
16:41 oleonard       Have a nice trip jcamins_away
16:41 gerundio       hope you get your bateries recharged duracell style
16:42 kf             gerundio: I think look up $1
16:42 kf             it's to do with the regex
16:43 kf             not with the params of the function
16:43 kf             it gets the EUR out - the first () of the rexex used before
16:43 drojf          mib_e3s3d5: yes i was asking you for a decription of your problem
16:44 kf             regex
16:44 oleonard       d
16:44 gerundio       kf, oh right
16:44 kf             or I guess it should
16:45 gerundio       and then it just replaces the whole <fine>EUR</fine> tag for <<item.fine>>
16:45 gerundio       got it
16:46 kf             gerundio: there is no item.fine
16:46 kf             or maybe there is... but it's not from the items table
16:46 gerundio       just reading the code
16:46 gerundio       $params->{'letter'}->{'content'} =~ s/<fine>.*<\/fine>/<<item.fine>>/o;
16:46 gerundio       it's not from the table
16:46 gerundio       my thoughts too at 1st
16:47 kf             so it must look that up somewhere else
16:47 drojf          have a good time jcamins_away
16:47 gerundio       line 728
16:47 gerundio       $item->{'fine'} gets set
16:48 gerundio       then the whole $item is passed on
16:48 kf             geru
16:48 gerundio       and from the looks of it must be mapped inside C4::Letters::GetPreparedLetter
16:49 kf             gerundio: sorry I have to leave - if you are around later I can try to take another look
16:49 gerundio       I think I'm focusing in the wrong place
16:49 gerundio       sure kf
16:49 gerundio       probably I won't be here
16:49 gerundio       I'm leaving in an hour or so
16:49 gerundio       thanks for your time anyways
16:49 gerundio       kf++ :)
16:49 kf             gerundio++ :)
17:01 kf             bye all and have a nice weekend!
17:02 drojf          you too kf
17:03 chris_n        @later tell wizzyrea, jcamins_away download page updated
17:03 huginn         chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:03 chris_n        by kf
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17:03 chris_n        bye, even
17:23 nengard        question about the new alphabet system preference - is this just for the patron browse?
17:23 nengard        or is it used elsewhere
17:26 oleonard       Just for that as far as I know
17:26 nengard        okey dokey
17:26 oleonard       Where else do we have an alphabet browse? I can't think of anywhere
17:29 nengard        I can't either
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17:35 jenkins_koha   * nengard: update OPACBaseURL to provide more detail
17:35 jenkins_koha   * nengard: add alphabet preference
17:45 gerundio       goodbye everyone
17:45 gerundio       have a nice weekend
17:48 oleonard       khall: My patch for Bug 9456 doesn't fit the bill in what way? Customer requirements?
17:48 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add callnumber column to the cart
17:50 * cait         waves
17:56 oleonard       the view from my office window: http://www.screencast.com/t/Jtu3d8bs6MYI
17:58 cait           oh
17:58 cait           similar to here :)
17:58 cait           well... not really, most of it has thawed away r
17:58 rambutan       cool
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18:04 jenkins_koha   nengard: add NotesBlacklist preference
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18:19 jenkins_koha   * nengard: update self check with new receipt option
18:19 jenkins_koha   * nengard: update checkout notice
18:39 rangi          https://library.education.govt.nz/
18:40 rangi          Morning
18:40 wahanui        Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:41 * rangi        is on the way to FirefoxOS day
18:44 rambutan       rangi rhymes
18:44 rangi          Hehe
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18:49 jenkins_koha   nengard: update batch anonymize tool
19:12 * oleonard     wonders why Jenkins fails Docs builds
19:22 nengard_lunch  oleonard it's a problem with the characters in the french translation ? or so I've been told
19:22 * oleonard     wonders what Jenkins has against the French
19:24 nengard_lunch  LOL
19:39 rangi          its using entities instead of actul utf8 chars that is the problem
19:40 rangi          someone just needs to find the &cute; whatevers and put the actual chars in, and its fixed
19:41 oleonard       That sounds simple enough rangi
19:41 oleonard       Thanks
19:42 rangi          http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/8/console#17cd94d8d5-3b8a-477b-bb1d-ddc47ffb263f
19:42 rangi          that ^
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20:20 jenkins_koha   * nengard: add SeparateHoldings & SeparateHoldingsBranch prefs
20:20 jenkins_koha   * nengard: add missing SeparateHoldings & SeparateHoldingsBranch image
20:20 jenkins_koha   * nengard: update Authorities Browser cron
20:22 oleonard       Incorporating the login menu changes from Corey's patch: http://screencast.com/t/kTNX8VeS5h
20:22 oleonard       @later tell wizzyrea Incorporating the login menu changes from Corey's patch: http://screencast.com/t/kTNX8VeS5h
20:22 huginn         oleonard: The operation succeeded.
20:23 oleonard       I'd like to make it clearer that the username is a menu, but I haven't settled on anything yet
20:24 oleonard       Need to get the cart popup working before it can be considered for signoff
20:27 cait           oleonard++
20:27 cait           thx for working on this :)
20:28 * oleonard     is excited to do it when he isn't overwhelmed by all the other things that need to be done
20:28 cait           :)
20:28 cait           I am not sure about the @ tho
20:28 cait           I am not sure it translates well to non-geeks
20:28 cait           and at makes only make sense in english
20:29 cait           I mean reading it 'at' only makes sense in english
20:29 cait           unlike me.. I don't even make sense there
20:29 cait           really like how the pull downs look :)
20:30 oleonard       yeah I think we need more discussion on that aspect of it. I like that it is more compact, but I also want it to be clear and the menu discoverable
20:31 cait           why not make it work similar to the more?
20:31 cait           with a little arrow?
20:31 cait           I really doubt the @ would make sense outside of english
20:32 cait           for librarians
20:33 cait           well... details :) later
21:02 oleonard       Good weekend #koha
21:03 datadoctor     Hi All! I am interested in Acquisitions; new record creation. Is anyone else noticing that the random number assigned to each transaction breaks the browser's...
21:04 datadoctor     form memorization? It looks like the random number allows multiple items to be created more quickly.
21:04 cait           ?
21:04 cait           datadoctor: what exactly are you trying to do?
21:05 datadoctor     Acquisitions is entering or editing the Marc record. They are cataloging for "Accelerated Reader" somewhere around 650c. They used to type "ac"
21:06 datadoctor     and the browser would suggest "Accelerated Reader."
21:06 cait           hm
21:06 cait           ok, i think I got confused because acquisitions doesn't hve those fields
21:06 datadoctor     Now they have to do a search, and a lot of things come up. Hmmm. Maybe they could type a little more into the search field...?
21:06 cait           but I tink you mean cataloguing?
21:06 datadoctor     Yes, cataloging, sorry...
21:07 cait           are they using authorities?
21:07 datadoctor     I believe so.
21:07 cait           hm
21:07 cait           not sure how to speed it up
21:08 datadoctor     I'm thinking about it, and maybe they just need to type in a few more characters before they search, that would make for a smaller table of results to choose from.
21:09 datadoctor     The way to see this is to call up a book, then edit it's record.
21:11 datadoctor     The fields used to be indentified as "tag_010_subfield_a" - now they are called "tag_010_subfield_a_776843_783466" so the browser sees it as a new subfield
21:11 cait           i see
21:11 datadoctor     on each new record. The number appears to be randomly assigned.
21:12 cait           I think there is probably a reason to that :)
21:12 cait           or i hope
21:13 datadoctor     Perhaps a new feature that allows multiple items to be created in one step for the record. The items display in a mini table before the record is created.
21:13 datadoctor     Something like that.
21:14 datadoctor     It changes the workflow from using the browser pull-down to using the built-in search feature.
21:15 datadoctor     Then you choose the correct value from a table by scrolling down and pushing "choose."
21:15 cait           datadoctor: you are really confusing me :)
21:15 cait           items are not cataloguing
21:16 cait           different screen
21:16 cait           I am not sure where you are right now in Koha
21:16 datadoctor     Thanks. I get confused about it too. I don't know the correct terminology. The problem occurs in cataloging.
21:17 cait           you can have repeatable fields... but there i sno item table in the cataloguing screen
21:17 cait           it's a bit late here on a friday
21:17 cait           guess my brain is just tired
21:17 datadoctor     I'm about to leave. I will try to think up a way to present this better.
21:17 cait           maybe screenshots :)
21:17 datadoctor     We see it when we receive incoming items.
21:17 cait           or step by step
21:18 datadoctor     But the problem occurs when we are doing the cataloging, and creating the record, not on the item screen.
21:18 cait           so in acq?
21:18 cait           hm
21:19 cait           really not sure, sorry
21:19 datadoctor     Thanks cait, I think I am confusing the item entry with the record entry. I'm going to check my facts and get back to you.
21:20 cait           weekends are pretty quiet here
21:20 cait           maybe on monday you can catch a bigger crowd
21:20 cait           or you can try the mailing list