Time Nick Message 00:06 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now 00:06 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now 00:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #1028 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1021 1 day 22 hr ago) 00:26 BobB Is anyone else having trouble connecting to LOC via Z3950? 01:11 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 01:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1028: FIXED in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1028/ 01:45 wizzyrea hm, opinion - a library is annoyed because the advance notices and the due notice both show date issued instead of date due 01:46 wizzyrea my inclination is to show both 01:46 rangi can't hurt 01:46 rangi @wunder nzwn 01:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on January 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Falling). 01:46 rangi it looks warmer than 19 to me 01:46 Dyrcona @wunder 01844 01:46 wizzyrea it's warm but there's a bit of a chill 01:46 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Methuen MA US, Methuen, Massachusetts is -10.6°C (8:18 PM EST on January 24, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 10 am EST Friday... 01:46 wizzyrea warm in the sun 01:46 wizzyrea chilly in the shade 01:47 Dyrcona Freezing in the shade. :) 01:47 wizzyrea :) 01:47 wizzyrea you win for cold weather 01:47 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks 01:47 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is -3.2°C (7:45 PM CST on January 24, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 01:47 wizzyrea no SO bad there 01:48 wizzyrea @wunder boo 01:48 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (1:50 AM CET on January 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 01:48 wizzyrea ! 01:48 wizzyrea would not have guessed that one. 01:48 Dyrcona Yeah, we should move to sunny Norway. :) 01:49 wizzyrea @wunder antarctica 01:49 huginn wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found. 01:49 eythian rangi: there's still a leftover southerly breeze blowing, cooling it slightly 01:50 wizzyrea it was downright chillish yesterday 01:50 rangi ahh right 01:53 mtj hi all, more friday fun -> http://imgur.com/a/wkzr5 01:56 eythian @later tell cait http://imgur.com/a/wkzr5 01:56 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 02:06 wizzyrea hahaha 02:36 eythian new koha packages uploading 02:36 rangi sweet 02:41 cjh \o/ 02:42 wizzyrea hey cjh 02:42 wizzyrea feelin better? 02:42 cjh wizzyrea: quite a bit actually :) 02:42 wizzyrea yusssss 02:49 wizzyrea ok regarding the duedate on notice thing - I suspect there will be squealing from the community if i just out and change it... suggestions? 02:49 wizzyrea even though my way makes a lot more sense and it's stupid the way it is now. :P 02:49 wizzyrea take that, diplomacy! 02:50 * wizzyrea plots to ply them all with ginger beer. 02:50 wizzyrea or real beer. 02:50 wizzyrea who knows 04:10 mtj fyi, wellington peeps - we are opening for lawrencearabia.com tmrw nite, if anyone is out n' about… 07:12 magnuse hiya cait and #koha 07:16 alex_a bonjour cait and magnuse 07:16 cait hi all :) 07:17 cait friday morning :) 07:17 magnuse bonjour alex_a 07:37 magnuse pizzaday! 07:37 magnuse friday? 07:37 wahanui hmmm... friday is pizzaday! 07:37 magnuse yay! 07:42 cait heh 07:44 reiveune hello 07:45 magnuse bojour reiveune 07:50 cait bbl :) 08:24 gaetan_B hello 08:27 kf hi gaetan_B :) 08:27 gaetan_B :) 09:03 kf good friday morning drojf 09:07 drojf hi kf :) 09:24 * gaetan_B disappears in a black hole 09:24 magnuse oh noes! 09:24 kf hope he comes back and doesn't end up in another dimension 09:24 magnuse yup 09:51 gerundio good morning everyone 10:07 kf h igeru 10:07 kf hi gerundio :) 10:07 gerundio I've been called worse ehehehe 10:09 kf heh 10:12 drojf hi gerundio 10:12 drojf firefox os app day berlin 'sold out' 10:12 drojf ha. i got a ticket 'just in case' yesterday 10:13 kf :) 10:13 kf cool 10:13 kf rangi is going there tomorrow 10:13 kf in wellington 10:13 drojf so there will be a koha app already :D 10:14 drojf yeah i saw wellington on the list and was wondering if somebody of the koha folks is going 10:14 gerundio a brand new Koha Firefox OS app on the forge drojf? :p 10:14 drojf i'd love them to have some phones ready when it is in berlin ;) 10:15 gerundio don't know if you'll be that lucky 10:15 drojf probably not 10:15 gerundio the event mentions "Firefox OS Simulator", so I'm guessing that'll be the showcase method 10:16 gerundio but hey, you never know 10:16 drojf i'd also be fine to jump up the queue for a developer phone :P 10:16 gerundio has any hardware manufacturer already partned with Mozilla on this? 10:16 drojf yes, there is geeksphone, they will anounce more info on developer phones in february 10:17 drojf http://www.geeksphone.com/ 10:17 drojf they have two models soon 10:19 * magnuse wants a geek phone, just based on the name :-) 10:19 gerundio lets see how it manages on the mobile market 10:20 * magnuse would also like to see html5 take the place of native apps 10:20 gerundio hmm, not in the near future I guess 10:20 drojf i think the web-y-browse-y stuff will work alright, but there seems to be no layer to run anything not web-based. 10:21 magnuse yay 10:21 magnuse :-) 10:21 gerundio Facebook went down that road for their iOS app and said it was their worst decision 10:22 gerundio any Android users among you guys? 10:22 drojf magnuse: i'd like to be able to run scripts or something at least ;) 10:22 gerundio check this new gadget by Always Innovating: http://androidcommunity.com/mecam-49-helicopter-follows-you-and-streams-live-video-to-your-android-20130124/ 10:22 drojf gerundio: i used android for 15 minutes a few days ago. to learn how to root a phone for a friend :D but i don't have an android device 10:23 * magnuse has an android phone, somewhat reluctantly after having an n900 with the debian-based maemo os... 10:24 drojf hahaha that helicopter cam looks great 10:26 * drojf still does not have a smartphone 10:26 drojf not too happy with the operating systems available 10:26 drojf i don't like google and i don't like apple to spy on me 10:28 gerundio just buy an offline budget phone 10:29 gerundio I don't know what will be the policies for the FirefoxOS and even for Ubuntu phone OS for that matter 10:29 drojf i have a samsung phone for 15€. it can call and send sms 10:29 drojf :D 10:30 gerundio that's all I need too 10:30 gerundio :D 10:31 * kf has a smartphone but only uses it for internet and another phone for calling people :P 10:31 gerundio kf, you should look into replacing that smartphone for a 7" tablet or so 10:32 drojf i'd like a pocket internet. i hope to be able to really interact with the hardware on firefoxos. as in, have control over it. but we will see 10:32 kf gerundio: I recently got a tablet... *sigh* 10:32 gerundio internet experience in such a device is much better 10:32 * gerundio got a Nexus 7 a while ago too 10:33 drojf i have a tablet too. does not really fit in my pocket though (10") 10:33 gerundio I used to think 10" was great, but now I'm pretty pleased with my 7" 10:33 gerundio not to say the speed 10:34 * kf has an asus transformer - it's nice 10:34 drojf firefox os should be able to run on really low spec hardware. i'd buy a phone for ~100€ for occasional internet needs on the go and that seems possible. i would not really spend 400++€ for a phone 10:34 gerundio offtopic: KOHA 10:35 gerundio is scalar($field->subfields()) a good way to count the # of subfields on a given field? 10:35 kf not sure if it's a good way but it seems like itwould work 10:35 drojf i define "good way" by "it works", so don't ask me :) 10:35 gerundio lolol 10:35 kf would assigning it to a scalar variable without the scalar not work too? 10:36 kf I am too much of a perl noob to tell you if it's good :) 10:36 gerundio don't think you can beat me at the "perl noob" category, sorry the highest place in the podium is already taken kf :D 10:37 kf heh 10:37 kf i will not fight you for it 10:37 gerundio the thing that strikes me the most about perl is there is always like ten ways to accomplish something 10:37 drojf see, and i am happy if i find one of them :D 10:37 gerundio which ultimately leaves me wondering which one is the right one 10:38 kf gerundio: the reading list recommended to me was: 10:38 kf learning perl, modern perl, perl best practices 10:39 kf I am still stuck in the middle of modern perl 10:39 gerundio I've got my hands on a copy of PBP just in case 10:39 kf I think modern perl and perl best practices shoudl help answering that question 10:43 drojf still tickets available for the app day in wellington if anyone is interested in a short holiday ;) 10:43 kf if I coudl make it there on time... beamers 10:43 kf someone shoudl work on that 10:45 drojf i think the more realistic approach for the near future is using a 3d printer to replicate stuff on the other end of the world. that would not work with a copy of kf i suppose ;) 10:45 kf hhmmm 10:49 magnuse there is more than one way to do it ftw! :-) 11:01 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Snippet to remove 610a subfield" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/368 11:01 gerundio when I run the script with that code for a given record 11:02 gerundio the 610a field is removed 11:02 gerundio and even the whole 610 field is gone if subfield a was the only subfield 11:03 gerundio but if I re-run the script for the same record I get "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at remove_unimarc_610a_value.pl line 96." which refers to the "$record->field('610');" line 11:04 gerundio as $record is now returning NULL 11:04 gerundio any idea what I might be doing wrong here? 11:11 gerundio just to add more info on this 11:11 gerundio the database record on biblio looks fine 11:12 gerundio the 610 field is gone from the marcxml collumn 11:26 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @YvesTomic: "#kohails #koha La recherche dans les données d'exemplaires avec plus de données affichées : http://t.co/ebzbRPVf" 11:27 magnuse gerundio: you need to check if there is a 610 before you try to do anything with it 11:28 magnuse wrap everything under "# Retrieve field 610" in an "if ( $record->field('610') ) {...}" 11:28 gerundio magnuse, I can add that check to the script although the error is reported earlier in the script 11:29 gerundio the $record in returned as undef or NULL not the $field 11:30 magnuse if the whole record is undef/NULL after you edited it, it sounds like the editing did something wrong... 11:30 gerundio in should be read as is ^^ 11:31 gerundio that's the whole code 11:31 gerundio I remove subfield 610a if it exists 11:31 gerundio check if field 610 was left with no subfields 11:31 gerundio and if that's the case I remove it completely 11:32 gerundio then save the changes using ModBiblio 11:32 gerundio I'm not that familiar with the C4::Biblio and MARC::Record libraries 11:32 gerundio so I'm betting I'm using the methods in any wrong way 11:33 magnuse hm 11:33 magnuse the error was "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at remove_unimarc_610a_value.pl line 96." 11:33 magnuse this line does not call method "subfield": my $field = $record->field('610'); 11:33 magnuse but this does: my $subfield = $field->subfield('a'); 11:34 magnuse so i think that last one has to be line 96? 11:37 gerundio hmm, you got a point there 11:37 gerundio it seems I've been reading it wrong since the start 11:37 gerundio magnuse++ I'll work on that 11:38 magnuse yay :-) 11:56 gerundio magnuse++ you deserve it... enough said :p 11:56 magnuse cool :-) 12:57 slef anyone remember what it was about something like a --no-ff option when merging? 12:58 slef "Generate a merge commit even if the merge resolved as a fast-forward" 12:58 jcamins_away slef: yes, without that you can't revert merges. 12:58 slef so to revert them, use rebase -i to remove the merge commit? 12:59 jcamins_away No. 12:59 slef use revert later? 12:59 jcamins_away Just use git revert -m 1 {REVERT_COMMIT_ID} 12:59 jcamins_away Yeah. 13:00 jcamins_away If you are rebasing you don't need --no-ff 13:00 slef I wonder what that looks like on the tree 13:00 slef I'm making a new local test deployment... 3.8.9 plus some enh from later 13:00 magnuse it looks like nice xmas decorations ;-) 13:00 slef magnuse: :) 13:02 slef heh, I got halfway through the merges before Merge conflict in installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl 13:10 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Screenshots for Koha Support Tickets and Bug Reports http://t.co/wXinMkIx #kohails" 13:18 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Screenshots for Koha Support Tickets and Bug Reports http://t.co/wXinMkIx #kohails" 13:18 * chris_n read "rebasing" as "rebashing" 13:19 * chris_n wonders if "rebashing" is some form of rewriting bash scripts 13:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @BibMetzSupelec: "#FF Libraries @librarycongress @GallicaBnF @LibraryJournal @kohails @ActuBnF @DLWebBnF" 13:44 oleonard Hi #koha 13:44 kf_lunch hi oleonard 14:21 * magnuse waves at all the new arrivals :-) 14:21 oleonard Hey, that's me! 14:21 * oleonard waves back 14:21 gerundio :) 14:22 magnuse :-) 14:23 * magnuse admires his shiny new raspberry pi through it's shiny new see-through plastic case ;-) 14:23 jcamins_away :) 14:24 drojf :) 14:25 magnuse now all it needs are some cables, some storage and some time... ;-) 14:25 gerundio I've been thinking of buying one to setup as a media center with XBMC 14:25 drojf nah, you have to install koha on it :P 14:26 gerundio still not sure how it behaves on 720p or 1080p movies though 14:26 gerundio drojf, why stop with just 1x pi, right? :D 14:26 drojf the gpu shluld be capable of running that ok. not sure about xmbc having access to hardware decoding though 14:26 drojf should 14:27 * magnuse will try it as a media center, probably 14:27 drojf firefox os runs on a pi too ;) 14:27 magnuse ooh 14:27 drojf but i think the ported version is really old now 14:28 drojf i don't feel like porting that myself. and by i don't feel like i mean i doubt i am able to do that 14:28 slef is firefox os all-FOSS? 14:28 drojf slef: don't know yet 14:28 drojf waiting for answers :) 14:29 slef there was some confusion on a list I read, so someone asked in a comment on the website and the Mozilla rep avoided the question, which sowed FUD 14:29 drojf there is not much info out on the "linux" part (kernel+whatever there is) called gonk 14:29 magnuse on the note in the box it says debian squeeze is recommended - i thought there was a special distro, raspbian or something? 14:29 slef I'll mention any update I get, if you want. 14:29 drojf magnuse: what box? 14:29 wahanui box is probably missing. 14:29 slef wahanui: forget box 14:29 wahanui slef: I forgot box 14:30 drojf magnuse: also, take raspian. it's wheezy +x 14:30 * druthb thinks it'd be cool to have a koha "appliance" built around a Pi. Plug it in, give it an IP addy, and start configurin' Koha. 14:31 drojf druthb: a koha live-pi? :D 14:31 magnuse druthb: yeah! 14:31 magnuse drojf: yeah! 14:31 drojf i was thinking about that, but that would be a pretty large file 14:31 magnuse drojf: the pi itself came in a pink plastic box 14:31 druthb yep. I could sell the heck out of that to small rural libraries. ILS in a box. 14:32 drojf magnuse: ah, ok. that is probably ooold info :) 14:32 magnuse druthb: yeah! 14:33 gerundio I just got a complaint about fine values not showing up in the overdue notices sent to patrons 14:33 gerundio bug 8378 14:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 14:33 druthb Places where network connectivity is twitchy, and a hosted solution is not a good idea.... 14:33 drojf druthb: mine even made its own WiFi network. no need for internet ;) 14:33 gerundio this is still an active bug 14:33 drojf the solar part did not work so well 14:34 gerundio so I'm guessing that koha isn't sending fine values... is that it? 14:36 drojf slef: my second raspberry pi was actually produced in the UK, as they claimed to do from the beginning 14:39 slef drojf: I did not know that, or that it wasn't. I assumed it was exploitative Chinaware like most stuff. 14:39 drojf i think parts of the production still are 14:44 magnuse mine says "made in china"... 14:46 * kf_lunch growls 14:46 kf_lunch sorry :) 14:47 * kf_lunch gets frustrated trying to figure this out 14:47 magnuse figure what out, kf_lunch? 14:47 kf something I am working on, it's ok 14:48 drojf made in china reminds me that i wanted to watch the "are fair computers possible" talk from 29c3 14:49 * slef hands kf a kitten kebab 14:49 slef drojf: got link? 14:49 slef huginn: google "are fair computers possible" 29c3 14:49 huginn slef: Lightning Talks - 29C3 Public Wiki: <http://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/wiki/Lightning_Talks>; Workshops - 29C3 Public Wiki: <http://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/wiki/Workshops>; 29c3-Videos › Nerdcore: <http://www.crackajack.de/2012/12/29/29c3-videos/>; 29C3 Review | Lukas' Weblog: <http://lukas-prokop.at/blog/2013/01/29c3-review/>; Gratefulfrog's GratefulBlog: 29C3 - 29th Chaos Communications (1 more message) 14:50 slef what's the latest 3.8 release? 14:51 magnuse 3.8.9 14:51 slef cool, thanks, thought I was going nuts 14:51 slef and I was :) 14:51 druthb No one noticed, slef. Happens to me, too. 14:52 * druthb went nuts a long time ago, but y'all just go along with it, so it's okay. 14:52 drojf slef: ah, it was in german 14:52 drojf either go to http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/29C3/ choose a format and look for 29c3-5121-de-en-sind_faire_computer_moeglich or on youtube (embedded in an article) at https://netzpolitik.org/2013/fair-hergestellte-hardware-ist-das-moglich/ ) 14:53 slef drojf: kein Problem 14:53 drojf :) 14:54 slef hrm, I wonder if my tv plays mp4 14:54 slef it's a DVB-T2 set... it should, shouldn't it? 14:54 drojf isn't that mpeg2? 14:55 slef HEsomething AAC 14:55 slef DVB-T is definitely mpeg2 14:55 slef not sure about T2 14:55 slef it's new to me 14:56 drojf i didn't know there is T2 at all. i don't care much about tv :) 14:57 drojf now that i have to pay for it, i probably should 15:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Screenshots for Koha Support Tickets and Bug Reports http://t.co/QgAZesoK" 15:18 slef drojf: I don't care about T2 but it seemed a good idea to get a TV that supported it as there was not much price difference. 15:19 slef drojf: I was rather surprised it can pick up T2 signals from as far away as Manchester, 5h travel away, in good weather. 15:19 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @esilibrary: "Good Morning from Seattle! Exhibit Booth is getting all set up! See you tonight at the opening reception! #egils #alamw13 #kohails" 15:20 slef [off] #include <rants/ala/wasting-library-money/exhibitor-fees> 15:30 drojf third person to report Z39.50 problems 15:33 slef drojf: with loc.gov or koha or what? 15:33 drojf Anyone else having problems grabbing records through Z39.50 in the past couple of days? Our FirstSearch, LOC & NYPL destinations all return errors ... 15:33 drojf in koha 15:34 drojf (on the mailing list) 15:35 libsysguy oleonard has given me a great gift today 15:35 libsysguy loads of easy patches to QA 15:39 kf libsysguy: yuo know you should start with older ones/bug fixes ;) 15:40 kf can't always pick the easy ones 15:40 libsysguy :'( 15:40 jcamins_away Bugfixes especially. 15:40 jcamins_away I have a bugfix that has been awaiting QA for quite a while. 15:40 libsysguy oh? 15:40 libsysguy what #? 15:40 wahanui # is, like, for root 15:40 jcamins_away Chances are there are a bunch of others, too. 15:41 jcamins_away Bug 9174. 15:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9174 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Item type image does not display for biblio-level itemtypes in list display in OPAC 15:41 jcamins_away Okay, only three weeks. 15:42 jcamins_away But there's also bug 9222, 9201, 9226, 9320, 9323, 8451, etc. :P 15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl 15:43 kf hehe 15:43 kf do 3 bug fixes and you can do some of the easy ones after 15:43 * kf offers a deal ;) 15:43 jcamins_away Yes! Good idea! 15:43 libsysguy fine fine 15:43 jcamins_away And now I _really_ have to go finish getting my things together, so that we can leave for a much-needed vacation. 15:43 libsysguy psh vacation 15:43 kf jcamins_away: enjoy while I am going to fail your patches :P 15:44 jcamins_away lol 15:44 jcamins_away As long as they move forward. 15:45 libsysguy forward++ 15:45 * kf is looking at query parser 15:45 oleonard forward->-> 15:47 libsysguy [off] <-LL-> after the marshall breeding survey 15:53 slef drojf: LOC z39.50 failed for us today, but it's not something that the library I'm working for today uses, so I've not investigated. 15:54 jcamins_away slef: gmcharlt sent an e-mail to the list explaining the problem. 15:54 jcamins_away Columbia and Smithsonian work fine for me, though. 15:54 slef jcamins_away: looking... (I wish gmane koha archive worked) 15:55 slef http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Z39-50-issues-td5740217.html 15:55 jcamins_away slef: you don't receive the mailing lists to your e-mail? 15:56 slef jcamins_away: yes, but I read that mailbox only daily. 15:57 jcamins_away Ah. 15:57 slef well, mostly daily 15:57 jcamins_away Oh, hey, I should update my VM before I leave. 15:57 slef some days not at all, other days repeatedly 16:01 jcamins_away Wow. Lots to download. 16:02 * oleonard hands jcamins_away a yak to shave 16:06 gmcharlt jcamins_away: I've asked somebody at LC about whether z3950.loc.gov will be coming back, and if they all would rather we use lx2.loc.gov instead 16:06 jcamins_away gmcharlt++ 16:07 reiveune bye 16:12 magnuse lazy question: what's the state of dbic and koha? 16:13 jcamins_away magnuse: stalled until Koha is actually persistance-ready. 16:13 magnuse ah, ok 16:15 kf jcamins_away: so the patches from elliott won't work? 16:16 kf or am i confusing something? 16:16 libsysguy ? 16:16 jcamins_away They will work, but I don't see how we can put them in right now. 16:16 jcamins_away The performance hit for CGI is pretty significant, and we don't offer any alternative. 16:16 libsysguy until somebody signs off on the nginx stuff 16:16 * libsysguy prods 16:17 jcamins_away libsysguy: and until Plack, you know, works. :P 16:17 libsysguy right…so to answer your question kf...never 16:17 libsysguy :p 16:17 jcamins_away Anything to do with notices is completely borked under Plack. 16:18 jcamins_away That's part of the reason I did the new caching. 16:18 alohabot Hi mib_e3s3d5, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 16:18 jcamins_away It gives us a fighting chance of fixing the problem without needing to massively rewrite C4. 16:18 mib_e3s3d5 can anyone provide me with some help for Koha 2.2.5? 16:19 libsysguy whoa mib_e3s3d5 I think that version is older than I am 16:19 jcamins_away mib_e3s3d5: sorry, that's an incredibly old version. 16:19 jcamins_away I don't think anyone provides support for it. 16:19 mib_e3s3d5 I know...I just have some basic needs. 16:19 drojf lol libsysguy that is close to what i wanted to say 16:19 oleonard 2.x advice is always "upgrade" 16:19 mib_e3s3d5 out of my control on the upgrade for now. 16:20 mib_e3s3d5 I just need to know how to enter in an authors name. 16:20 jcamins_away mib_e3s3d5: no one here has used Koha 2.x in a very long time, but if you'd like you could ask your question anyway, on the off-chance that someone has an answer. 16:21 * drojf has never used koha < 3 16:21 * jcamins_away either. 16:21 kf mib_I think most developers here have never seen it, as it's years old 16:21 kf I have seen screenshots, that's all 16:21 * libsysguy started on v3.4.x 16:21 jcamins_away Right. Don't get your hopes up, but if your question is general enough, there's a chance that the question would be answerable based on general knowledge. 16:21 kf 3.0 almost 3.2 was my starting point 16:22 jcamins_away I got involved only a few months after kf. 16:24 gerundio I trying to make something out of bug 8378 16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 16:24 gerundio looking into "cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl" source code 16:24 oleonard mib_e3s3d5: I've been around since before 2.2.5 and entering an author is pretty much the same as it is now if you use MARC: Edit the MARC record. 16:24 gerundio can someone take a look at the parse_letter function 16:25 mib_e3s3d5 oleonard-can we talk privatly about this? I'm find giving a phone number to you to call or can I call you? 16:25 gerundio and tell what is supposed to be come from that $item->{'fine'} = currency_format($currency_format, "$fine", FMT_SYMBOL) 16:25 mib_e3s3d5 this would be most most helpful. 16:26 oleonard No mib_e3s3d5, I'm basing my advice on distant memory. I don't work with 2.x anymore and don't want to. Sorry :( 16:26 mib_e3s3d5 thanx for the carrot. 16:26 gerundio run mib_e3s3d5 run :) 16:27 gerundio btw, "The current release is 3.8, until at least October 2012, and the previous releases still being supported are 3.4 and 3.6." 16:27 gerundio so 2.2.5 goes long before that 16:27 jcamins_away gerundio: where does it say that? 16:27 drojf mib_e3s3d5: what is the problem with entering the name= 16:27 gerundio download? 16:27 wahanui download is still 4.10 16:27 jcamins_away gerundio: 'cause that's wrong. 16:27 gerundio http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 16:27 jcamins_away Ah. 16:27 jcamins_away wahanui: forget download 16:27 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot download 16:28 jcamins_away download is http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ 16:28 jcamins_away Thanks. 16:28 drojf mib_e3s3d5: my guess would be, it is authority controlled and you cannot enter a name directly? 16:28 gerundio jcamins_away, the wrong being the current version? 16:29 jcamins_away gerundio: and what is supported. 16:29 jcamins_away We don't support 3.4. 16:29 gerundio so always current - 2? 16:29 jcamins_away @later tell wizzyrea could you please edit http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ to note that the current release is 3.10, and the previous releases still being supported are 3.6 and 3.8? 16:29 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 16:29 jcamins_away gerundio: generally. 16:29 gerundio don't tell me you're thinking about LTS :) 16:30 jcamins_away gerundio: actually, there were threats to change it to current and current-1, but the RM's use of 3.6 persuaded someone to step up to maintain 3.6. 16:30 kf gerundio: it gives you a formatted string I think 16:30 gerundio RM as in Release Manager or Real Madrid? :o 16:31 kf gerundio: you have to put <fine>ISOCODE</fine> in the notice 16:31 kf and there is a perl library to deal with the formating where the routine belongs too 16:31 mib_e3s3d5 djrof-are you asking me? 16:31 kf I waded through the documentation before, Ithink that part is right and should give you the formatted string with the right currency symbol 16:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @gmcharlt: "I was able to use the same wording when reporting a bug to both #kohails and #egils today... that doesn't happen often." 16:32 jcamins_away gerundio: as in Release Manager. 16:35 gerundio kf, I have <fine>EUR</fine> in the notice 16:35 gerundio and all I get in the email message is EUR and no fine value 16:36 kf hm ok 16:36 kf is there a fine? 16:36 kf F or FU for that item? 16:36 gerundio and regarding your answer, been there and done that 16:36 gerundio looked into the http://search.cpan.org/~tnguyen/Locale-Currency-Format-1.28/Format.pm documentation and code 16:36 kf right, that is the one :) 16:36 gerundio my question was about that particular code snippet 16:37 gerundio let me give some more insight on what I'm seeing there 16:38 gerundio I'll be using the code from github so we can see the same line numbers 16:38 gerundio https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/blob/master/misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl 16:39 gerundio scroll down to line 714 16:39 gerundio so basically we set $currency_format = $1; if there's a tag <fine>something</fine> in the notice content, right? 16:40 jcamins_away So long, everyone. 16:40 jcamins_away Have a good week and a half. 16:41 gerundio $1 as in the 1st argument passed on to the parse_letter function 16:41 gerundio jcamins_away, you will be missed 16:41 gerundio have fun and get some proper rest 16:41 kf have anice vacation! 16:41 oleonard Have a nice trip jcamins_away 16:41 gerundio hope you get your bateries recharged duracell style 16:42 kf gerundio: I think look up $1 16:42 kf it's to do with the regex 16:43 kf not with the params of the function 16:43 kf it gets the EUR out - the first () of the rexex used before 16:43 drojf mib_e3s3d5: yes i was asking you for a decription of your problem 16:44 kf regex 16:44 oleonard d 16:44 gerundio kf, oh right 16:44 kf or I guess it should 16:45 gerundio and then it just replaces the whole <fine>EUR</fine> tag for <<item.fine>> 16:45 gerundio got it 16:46 kf gerundio: there is no item.fine 16:46 kf or maybe there is... but it's not from the items table 16:46 gerundio just reading the code 16:46 gerundio $params->{'letter'}->{'content'} =~ s/<fine>.*<\/fine>/<<item.fine>>/o; 16:46 gerundio it's not from the table 16:46 gerundio my thoughts too at 1st 16:47 kf so it must look that up somewhere else 16:47 drojf have a good time jcamins_away 16:47 gerundio line 728 16:47 gerundio $item->{'fine'} gets set 16:48 gerundio then the whole $item is passed on 16:48 kf geru 16:48 gerundio and from the looks of it must be mapped inside C4::Letters::GetPreparedLetter 16:49 kf gerundio: sorry I have to leave - if you are around later I can try to take another look 16:49 gerundio I think I'm focusing in the wrong place 16:49 gerundio sure kf 16:49 gerundio probably I won't be here 16:49 gerundio I'm leaving in an hour or so 16:49 gerundio thanks for your time anyways 16:49 gerundio kf++ :) 16:49 kf gerundio++ :) 17:01 kf bye all and have a nice weekend! 17:02 drojf you too kf 17:03 chris_n @later tell wizzyrea, jcamins_away download page updated 17:03 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 17:03 chris_n by kf 17:03 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Come visit the ByWater team at booth 638 at #alamw13 http://t.co/ciBURukh to learn more about #kohails" 17:03 chris_n bye, even 17:23 nengard question about the new alphabet system preference - is this just for the patron browse? 17:23 nengard or is it used elsewhere 17:26 oleonard Just for that as far as I know 17:26 nengard okey dokey 17:26 oleonard Where else do we have an alphabet browse? I can't think of anywhere 17:29 nengard I can't either 17:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #8 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 17:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #16 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #16: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/16/ 17:34 jenkins_koha nengard: update OPACBaseURL to provide more detail 17:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #8: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/8/ 17:34 jenkins_koha nengard: update OPACBaseURL to provide more detail 17:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #264 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 2 days ago) 17:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #264: STILL FAILING in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/264/ 17:35 jenkins_koha * nengard: update OPACBaseURL to provide more detail 17:35 jenkins_koha * nengard: add alphabet preference 17:45 gerundio goodbye everyone 17:45 gerundio have a nice weekend 17:48 oleonard khall: My patch for Bug 9456 doesn't fit the bill in what way? Customer requirements? 17:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add callnumber column to the cart 17:50 * cait waves 17:56 oleonard the view from my office window: http://www.screencast.com/t/Jtu3d8bs6MYI 17:58 cait oh 17:58 cait similar to here :) 17:58 cait well... not really, most of it has thawed away r 17:58 rambutan cool 18:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #265 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 2 days ago) 18:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #265: STILL FAILING in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/265/ 18:04 jenkins_koha nengard: add NotesBlacklist preference 18:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #266 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 2 days ago) 18:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #266: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/266/ 18:19 jenkins_koha * nengard: update self check with new receipt option 18:19 jenkins_koha * nengard: update checkout notice 18:39 rangi https://library.education.govt.nz/ 18:40 rangi Morning 18:40 wahanui Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast 18:41 * rangi is on the way to FirefoxOS day 18:44 rambutan rangi rhymes 18:44 rangi Hehe 18:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #267 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 2 days ago) 18:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #267: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/267/ 18:49 jenkins_koha nengard: update batch anonymize tool 19:12 * oleonard wonders why Jenkins fails Docs builds 19:22 nengard_lunch oleonard it's a problem with the characters in the french translation ? or so I've been told 19:22 * oleonard wonders what Jenkins has against the French 19:24 nengard_lunch LOL 19:39 rangi its using entities instead of actul utf8 chars that is the problem 19:40 rangi someone just needs to find the &cute; whatevers and put the actual chars in, and its fixed 19:41 oleonard That sounds simple enough rangi 19:41 oleonard Thanks 19:42 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/8/console#17cd94d8d5-3b8a-477b-bb1d-ddc47ffb263f 19:42 rangi that ^ 20:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #17 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #9 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 20:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #17: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/17/ 20:19 jenkins_koha nengard: update Authorities Browser cron 20:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #9: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/9/ 20:19 jenkins_koha nengard: update Authorities Browser cron 20:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #268 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 3 days ago) 20:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #268: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/268/ 20:20 jenkins_koha * nengard: add SeparateHoldings & SeparateHoldingsBranch prefs 20:20 jenkins_koha * nengard: add missing SeparateHoldings & SeparateHoldingsBranch image 20:20 jenkins_koha * nengard: update Authorities Browser cron 20:22 oleonard Incorporating the login menu changes from Corey's patch: http://screencast.com/t/kTNX8VeS5h 20:22 oleonard @later tell wizzyrea Incorporating the login menu changes from Corey's patch: http://screencast.com/t/kTNX8VeS5h 20:22 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded. 20:23 oleonard I'd like to make it clearer that the username is a menu, but I haven't settled on anything yet 20:24 oleonard Need to get the cart popup working before it can be considered for signoff 20:27 cait oleonard++ 20:27 cait thx for working on this :) 20:28 * oleonard is excited to do it when he isn't overwhelmed by all the other things that need to be done 20:28 cait :) 20:28 cait I am not sure about the @ tho 20:28 cait I am not sure it translates well to non-geeks 20:28 cait and at makes only make sense in english 20:29 cait I mean reading it 'at' only makes sense in english 20:29 cait unlike me.. I don't even make sense there 20:29 cait really like how the pull downs look :) 20:30 oleonard yeah I think we need more discussion on that aspect of it. I like that it is more compact, but I also want it to be clear and the menu discoverable 20:31 cait why not make it work similar to the more? 20:31 cait with a little arrow? 20:31 cait I really doubt the @ would make sense outside of english 20:32 cait for librarians 20:33 cait well... details :) later 21:02 oleonard Good weekend #koha 21:03 datadoctor Hi All! I am interested in Acquisitions; new record creation. Is anyone else noticing that the random number assigned to each transaction breaks the browser's... 21:04 datadoctor form memorization? It looks like the random number allows multiple items to be created more quickly. 21:04 cait ? 21:04 cait datadoctor: what exactly are you trying to do? 21:05 datadoctor Acquisitions is entering or editing the Marc record. They are cataloging for "Accelerated Reader" somewhere around 650c. They used to type "ac" 21:06 datadoctor and the browser would suggest "Accelerated Reader." 21:06 cait hm 21:06 cait ok, i think I got confused because acquisitions doesn't hve those fields 21:06 datadoctor Now they have to do a search, and a lot of things come up. Hmmm. Maybe they could type a little more into the search field...? 21:06 cait but I tink you mean cataloguing? 21:06 datadoctor Yes, cataloging, sorry... 21:07 cait are they using authorities? 21:07 datadoctor I believe so. 21:07 cait hm 21:07 cait not sure how to speed it up 21:08 datadoctor I'm thinking about it, and maybe they just need to type in a few more characters before they search, that would make for a smaller table of results to choose from. 21:09 datadoctor The way to see this is to call up a book, then edit it's record. 21:11 datadoctor The fields used to be indentified as "tag_010_subfield_a" - now they are called "tag_010_subfield_a_776843_783466" so the browser sees it as a new subfield 21:11 cait i see 21:11 datadoctor on each new record. The number appears to be randomly assigned. 21:12 cait I think there is probably a reason to that :) 21:12 cait or i hope 21:13 datadoctor Perhaps a new feature that allows multiple items to be created in one step for the record. The items display in a mini table before the record is created. 21:13 datadoctor Something like that. 21:14 datadoctor It changes the workflow from using the browser pull-down to using the built-in search feature. 21:15 datadoctor Then you choose the correct value from a table by scrolling down and pushing "choose." 21:15 cait datadoctor: you are really confusing me :) 21:15 cait items are not cataloguing 21:16 cait different screen 21:16 cait I am not sure where you are right now in Koha 21:16 datadoctor Thanks. I get confused about it too. I don't know the correct terminology. The problem occurs in cataloging. 21:17 cait you can have repeatable fields... but there i sno item table in the cataloguing screen 21:17 cait it's a bit late here on a friday 21:17 cait guess my brain is just tired 21:17 datadoctor I'm about to leave. I will try to think up a way to present this better. 21:17 cait maybe screenshots :) 21:17 datadoctor We see it when we receive incoming items. 21:17 cait or step by step 21:18 datadoctor But the problem occurs when we are doing the cataloging, and creating the record, not on the item screen. 21:18 cait so in acq? 21:18 cait hm 21:19 cait really not sure, sorry 21:19 datadoctor Thanks cait, I think I am confusing the item entry with the record entry. I'm going to check my facts and get back to you. 21:20 cait weekends are pretty quiet here 21:20 cait maybe on monday you can catch a bigger crowd 21:20 cait or you can try the mailing list