Time Nick Message 00:00 melia can bug 3111 be closed? it appears to me by looking at the referenced links there that all of his old problems have been resolved 00:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3111 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Opac lists all ITYPES as same, when database lists different. Other OPAC issues. 00:01 jcamins Sounds like it. 00:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9407' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e7e987c038a86091d4feebf887cc4f76f1d793e> / Bug 9407: patrons search should match substrings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99e1fa291a9b465df7f6139e3fc077ae89674d2c> / Merge branch 'bug_7678' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=830f36607c9ae 00:01 jcamins Or, at least, it's incomprehensible, so it's of no use. 00:01 melia ok marking resolved :) 00:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #1020 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:05 jcamins Oh, yay. 00:05 jcamins Most of the patches that have passed QA are patches that are unpleasant to test. 00:18 jcamins Such as the overdue notices... 00:18 wizzyrea *nod* 00:18 jcamins Which are entirely non-functional on Plack systems. 00:18 jcamins And there seems to be a syntax error in the script. 00:20 rangi you ran it with bash eh? 00:21 jcamins Hm. 00:21 jcamins Maybe not. 00:21 jcamins Right now I'm trying to get some overdues to show up. 00:21 jcamins Then I will try to run the script again. 00:34 rangi wtf http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=17598 00:35 rangi innovative are confused 00:35 wizzyrea i think they are creating a new consortium, is what it looks like to me 00:36 rangi it was more the copyright thingy 00:36 rangi (its the fork not koha btw too) 00:36 wizzyrea right right 00:36 * wizzyrea was just thinking that 00:36 wizzyrea re: geagua 00:36 rangi yeah 00:36 wizzyrea uga* 00:36 jcamins Definitely a fork. 00:36 wizzyrea koha copyright. lulz. 00:36 wizzyrea it's the only one that has that 00:37 * wizzyrea catches up 00:37 wizzyrea herp derp derp 00:40 jcamins Returns is not Plack-compatible?!? 00:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.8.9 released http://t.co/9QIzXIGZ" 00:43 * jcamins grouses. 01:05 jcamins There are many good reasons the RM should use Plack. 01:06 jcamins Unfortunately, there is also one good reason s/he shouldn't: half the pages don't work. 01:06 wahanui okay, jcamins. 01:06 jcamins there? 01:06 wahanui hmmm... there is a lot of clean up that could be done. 01:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1020: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1020/ 01:10 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 7678: Adds extended patron attributes in patron reports 01:10 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7678: follow-up to pass QA 01:10 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7678: Adds extended patron attributes in patron reports 01:10 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 9407: patrons search should match substrings 01:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Statistics wizard: patrons 01:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9407 minor, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , patrons search should match substrings 01:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9343' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=36431ed14abfac7c1af94f2e48dc4e37ef3c8f45> / Bug 9343: handles the new format of Debarred <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58494beb7949d57d9b84784edc3e55848192eff8> / Merge branch 'bug_9263' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c418b26a7f3923c8 01:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #1021 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:13 wizzyrea golly I sure do like how koha looks with some boostrap elements. 01:13 wizzyrea boot* 01:19 rangi wahanui: we should use more MARC 01:19 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800 01:19 bag rangi awesome! 01:19 * wizzyrea giggles 01:19 rangi wahanui: u mad? 01:19 wahanui https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6984227072/h33EFA2F6/ 01:20 * wizzyrea approves 01:21 wizzyrea guess we're not trendy enough 01:21 wizzyrea j/k j/k 01:21 rangi why did the hipster burn his mouth? 01:22 wizzyrea >.> idk why 01:22 rangi he drank his coffee before it was cool 01:22 eythian heard that one already 01:22 wizzyrea ^^ the ultimate hipster. 01:22 rangi here's one from atarau 01:22 rangi knock knock 01:22 jcamins lol 01:22 wizzyrea who's there 01:22 wahanui there is a lot of clean up that could be done. 01:22 rangi door 01:22 wizzyrea door who? 01:22 wahanui rumour has it door is 6 months old, 01:22 rangi door did a fart 01:22 rangi bwahahaha 01:23 wizzyrea loool 01:23 rangi the whole changes daily, but it's always did a fart 01:23 rangi who even 01:24 wizzyrea soren's is "x rolled down the hall and ran into a rock" 01:24 eythian http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/172rp9/comedians_of_reddit_what_is_the_worst_joke_youve/ 01:24 rangi hehe 02:06 bag evening 02:08 rangi hey bag 02:12 jcamins Submitted my caching patches. 02:13 rangi sweet 02:14 * rangi adds them to his backlog of things to test 02:15 jcamins Heh. 02:16 * jcamins wanders off. 02:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1021: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1021/ 02:18 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9263: Trim barcodes in offline circulation 02:18 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 9343: handles the new format of Debarred 02:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Trim barcodes in offline circulation 02:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9343 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , SIP doesn't handle debarred date/status correctly 02:41 wizzyrea @wunder wellington, nz 02:41 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 02:41 wizzyrea I approve. 02:45 rangi heh 02:49 druthb @wunder 66046 02:49 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -3.8°C (8:47 PM CST on January 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising). 02:49 druthb Miss this, wizzyrea? 02:49 eythian http://imgur.com/VKSSBpi 02:50 druthb It is colder than a mother-in-law's kiss here today. *shiver* 02:53 wizzyrea brr 02:53 wizzyrea I am sure I'll get my comeuppance :) 02:53 wizzyrea maybe not to that precise degree. 02:54 wizzyrea eythian: what is it? 02:54 eythian http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/world/europe/norway-cheese-fire-shuts-tunnel.html?_r=0 02:54 eythian 27 tons of cheese on fire! 02:54 wizzyrea holy smoked gouda! 02:55 wizzyrea it burned for 4 days! 02:55 wizzyrea also I think I have had this cheese, it's pretty yummy. 02:55 wizzyrea probably not so yummy whilst on fire. 02:56 wizzyrea then again, you could just shout "Opa!" and be greek. 06:48 cait good morning #koha 06:54 schnydszch hello koha community, is it possible with koha 3.8.x to show barcodes of biblios in the results page? or there's some code to be added? thanks & good day. 07:00 magnuse schnydszch: showing barcodes in result lists is not possible in any version 07:01 magnuse but 3.10 has a setting called OPACShowBarcode which shows the barcode in the detail view. example here: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1 07:01 magnuse on the holdings tab there is a column for barcode 07:03 magnuse and good morning #koha 07:11 magnuse rangi++ for 3.10.2 and 3.8.9!! 07:15 cait rangi++ :) 07:15 cait morning magnuse :) 07:34 schnydszch thanks magnuse. but i can't seem see the barcode from your example. 07:36 alex_a bonjour 07:38 cait schnydszch: that only applies to 3.10 and the detail page 07:38 cait normally users have no use for barcodes 07:47 cait bbl :) 07:52 magnuse schnydszch: it shows the barcode as text, not as an image. and the barcode in the example i gave is simply "1" 07:57 drojf good morning #koha 07:58 magnuse hiya drojf 07:58 drojf hei magnuse 07:58 drojf how is the summer going? :) 08:01 magnuse @wunder boo 08:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:50 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 08:01 magnuse it's suddenly turned white... 08:02 magnuse and lots more white stuff is supposed to arrive in the coming week... 08:02 magnuse @wunder folldal 08:02 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 08:02 magnuse @wunder folldal, norway 08:02 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 08:02 magnuse @wunder rrs 08:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -28.0°C (8:50 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -32.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 08:02 magnuse could have been worse, though :-) 08:04 gaetan_B hello 08:04 wahanui what's up, gaetan_B 08:06 magnuse hiya gaetan_B 08:16 kf back 08:16 schnydszch ok magnuse, got it. actually the barcode if for the staffs. 08:16 schnydszch is for the staffs 08:17 schnydszch so they can easily see the accession no./barcode from the search result instead of clicking the corresponding item 08:36 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 08:36 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -5.3°C (9:12 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 08:36 drojf magnuse: still warmer at your place ;) 08:36 magnuse w00t! :-) 08:38 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:38 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.9°C (9:35 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 08:38 kf @wunder boo 08:38 huginn kf: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (9:20 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 08:38 kf I win :) 08:41 magnuse :-/ 08:41 magnuse @wunder marseille 08:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (9:30 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Rising). 08:42 kf hm ok... marseille wins :) 08:42 magnuse @wunder mumbai 08:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0°C (1:40 PM IST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 08:42 magnuse :-) 08:43 kf not sure mumbai counts 08:49 Joubu hello #koha 08:49 reiveune hello 08:50 kf hi Joubu and reiveune 08:50 reiveune hi kf 08:51 kf morning paul_p 08:52 paul_p hello kf. In bed with flu today (fortunately for you, it can't be sent by IRC) 08:52 kf very fortunate 08:52 kf hope you feel better soon 08:53 kf paul_p: I was talking to magnuse earlier about maybe advertising the hackfest in europe a bit more? 08:53 paul_p kf= it's a good idea. How could we do that ? 08:54 paul_p (I plan to send a mail to turkish guy that announced 1112 libraries migrating ;-) ) 08:54 kf maybe koha mailing list again and the newsletter? 08:54 kf or coudl be an entry on kc-org too maybe 08:54 kf paul_p: also a good idea 09:15 magnuse any memcached experts around? it seems one of my installations has bad data in it's cache. is it possible to empty the cache for that instance and not for the others? 09:35 kf hm 09:35 kf seems drojf has bad internet again 09:38 rangi [off] http://www.prweb.com/releases/prwebptfs/dia-sia-II-contract/prweb10350371.htm 09:39 kf oh 09:40 rangi [off] tell me again how you arent a defence contractor 09:41 kf [off] they denied that? 09:41 rangi [off] yep on wikipedia 09:41 kf [off] where is the point in denying that? 09:42 rangi [off] where is the point in getting a trademark in nz .. it doesnt have to make sense for them to do it :) 09:42 kf [off] right 09:43 magnuse rangi: am i right in thinking that in order to clear up bad data in memcached for one koha instance i have to restart memcached completely? 09:43 rangi do you know what bit is bad? 09:44 magnuse something related to the frameworks 09:44 magnuse i get errors like Can't use string ("") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1555. 09:44 magnuse and $tagslib always seems to be involved 09:44 rangi you can telnet to it and delete the key 09:44 rangi http://blog.elijaa.org/index.php?post/2010/05/21/Memcached-telnet-command-summary 09:45 magnuse how do i know whic key to delete? 09:45 rangi stats items 09:46 kf magnuse: hmmm I think I saw a patch for something with tagslib 09:46 kf @query tagslib 09:46 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3142 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , standardize how OPAC and staff determine requestability 09:46 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3162 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Authority subfileds definitions and Show/Show Collapsed/Hide option 09:46 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6018 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Batch modifitcation of items Enchancements 09:46 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7412 enhancement, P3, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Pre-filling items in cataloging 09:46 rangi it would probably be easier to just run flush 09:46 kf hm more results than I expected, but they don't look helpful 09:46 rangi flush_all 09:47 magnuse rangi: that will affect all instances, right? 09:48 rangi yup 09:49 magnuse ok, better wait until this evening then, so i don't throw aout everyone who might be logged in 09:49 rangi *nod* 09:49 magnuse that is one downside to having sessions in memcached... 09:51 vfernandes hello 09:51 wahanui hey, vfernandes 09:52 vfernandes hi :) 09:55 vfernandes gerundio are you here? 09:55 gerundio hey vfernandes, yes 09:56 vfernandes nice... i was looking for your LDAP patch 09:56 vfernandes i have one question 09:57 vfernandes why you did a anonymous bind when you can do a bind with the principal name and the password set in the koha-conf.xml 10:00 gerundio anonymous bind is very common 10:00 gerundio in LDAP authentication 10:00 vfernandes yes I know 10:00 gerundio we use it in our faculty 10:01 gerundio and the way the LDAP auth was being done in Koha it didn't work 10:01 gerundio the way I coded the patch both ways should work 10:02 gerundio I don't recall the details of the implementation, a lot of water has passed under the bridge since I did it :D 10:04 vfernandes roger that :) 10:04 vfernandes i'll try to sign off the patch today 10:06 vfernandes because the modification that I've done in my koha it's almost the same thing 10:06 vfernandes the difference is that I done the first bind with principal name 10:06 gerundio ok 10:07 gerundio and I'm signing off your UNIMARC field 100 language patch 10:07 gerundio tested it yesterday 10:07 vfernandes nice :) 10:08 gerundio btw, you made it for Koha v3.10? 10:08 vfernandes i think it's very important to have those patches submitted soon as possible to master and to 3.8.9 and 3.10.3 10:08 vfernandes the bug is on every version of Koha 10:10 gerundio I know 10:10 gerundio I just found it weird to see the version assigned in the bug as being 3.10 10:11 vfernandes really? i will change that 10:11 gerundio btw, I made a patch to update the 100a field on all the existing records in the DB 10:11 gerundio I thought it could be useful to the community (it was for us) 10:12 vfernandes as patch you mean script right? 10:12 vfernandes yes I think is useful to correct the previous submitted records 10:12 gerundio script yes 10:13 vfernandes I think you should create a new bug and add the script as patch 10:14 gerundio ok 10:14 gerundio I'm looking at the sign-off on patches article in the wiki 10:15 gerundio I didn't use git to test it 10:15 gerundio I downloaded the diff files and applyed them by hand 10:15 gerundio with patch -p1 < patch.diff and so on 10:17 vfernandes I don't know how to sign off patches without git 10:17 gerundio kf, jcamins_away, magnuse is my test valide this way? 10:17 vfernandes LDAP auth worked fine gerundio 10:17 vfernandes :) 10:17 gerundio vfernandes, in what koha version did you develop your patches for bug 8347? 10:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 10:18 vfernandes last version... 10:19 vfernandes wait... I've tested in 3.8.6 and in master code 10:19 gerundio I'm using 3.8.5 10:19 vfernandes *and with master code (future 3.12) 10:19 gerundio and it worked fine too 10:19 vfernandes it should work in 3.8. too 10:20 vfernandes please sign off that patch... UNIMARC should be improved in Koha 10:20 vfernandes i will sign off your LDAP patch in a few minutes 10:25 gerundio signed off 10:25 wahanui well, signed off is the queue the QA team should watch 10:25 gerundio lets see what happens know 10:26 kf sorry gerundio was not really here 10:26 kf reading back now 10:27 gerundio np kf, thanks :) 10:30 kf hm 10:30 kf maybe not eon the bug the tests you did 10:30 kf you could download the patch and sign-off manually, but tell what you did 10:30 kf and then RM /QA can decide if another sign-off is needed 10:31 kf but we don't have a lot of people who can test ldap patches 10:31 kf so I think any test is good 10:31 vfernandes kf gerundio is testing my patch for bug 8347... i'm testing his patch for LDAP bug 10:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre' 10:32 kf am ok 10:32 kf sorry, got confused 10:32 kf and I still might be :) 10:32 kf can you repeat the question you had? 10:32 vfernandes eheh 10:33 vfernandes he apply the patch by hand (not using git) and tested 10:33 vfernandes everything worked fine but he didn't know how to sign off the patch without git 10:34 vfernandes so he gone to the bug page, commented and signed off the patch 10:35 kf vfernandes: that was the ldap patch or soemthing else? 10:35 vfernandes bug 8347 10:38 gerundio kf, not LDAP 10:38 gerundio that's the one I patched and vfernandes tested and is about to sign off 10:39 kf sorry lots of phone calls today 10:45 vfernandes damn I forgot how to signed off using git.... git bz apply XXXX and then? 10:46 drojf test it ;) 10:46 vfernandes i've tested... but now I want to commit the signed off 10:46 kf still at phone 10:46 kf on phone 10:47 drojf vfernandes: git commit --amend -s (i think) 10:47 drojf and then attach it 10:48 drojf better look at the wiki, i dont have a git here 10:49 vfernandes git commit --amend 10:51 vfernandes that's it 10:51 vfernandes but now there is two patches 10:52 vfernandes can I put the first patch obsolete? 10:53 vfernandes gerundio - bug 7973 signed off 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7973 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Allow for new type of LDAP authentication 10:54 gerundio vfernandes++ 10:54 vfernandes gerundio++ 10:56 gerundio weird thing happening... I'm trying to set up the zebra daemon on the new dev koha install 10:57 gerundio the koha-zebra-daemon settings such as KOHA_CONF, RUNDIR and LOCKDIR all have the correct values 10:58 gerundio poiting to the path where I have untared the koha package 10:58 gerundio but when I run start the daemon and check it via "ps aux | grep zebra" 10:58 gerundio the arguments on the daemon show the defaults production like environment settings 10:59 gerundio as KOHA_CONF was /etc/koha-conf.xml and so on 10:59 vfernandes looks like problems with system variables 11:00 vfernandes maybe the zebra was already runnig 11:00 gerundio that's just strange, because all the variables are set in the daemon itself in /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon 11:01 gerundio I've stop and started it many times 11:01 vfernandes but when you stop the daemon the zebra proccess is closed? 11:01 kf crazy day here 11:02 gerundio yes 11:02 kf um 11:02 kf any questons unanswered? 11:02 gerundio and now it just doesn't start 11:02 gerundio let me check the logs to see if I find anything there 11:03 gerundio I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml" 11:04 gerundio kf maybe you can help with this one... any idea why I have a path set on KOHA_CONF in /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon 11:04 gerundio but when I start the daemon he's looking for the file in /etc/koha-conf.xml 11:07 gerundio KOHA_CONF is correctly set in the environment variables too 11:07 gerundio for both root and koha users 11:25 kf hm 11:25 kf have you taken a look at the file? 11:25 kf I think there is a user/group noted in there 11:25 kf the daemon script 11:25 kf coudl that be a reason? 11:26 magnuse vfernandes: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Signing_off :-) 11:26 gerundio back... found the origin off the daemon issue I was experiencing: permissions 11:26 kf ah 11:27 kf makes sense :) 11:27 gerundio the koha user didn't have permissions to read the paths set on the configurations 11:27 gerundio it's always the most basic stuff that we miss :s 11:29 magnuse @marc 084 11:29 huginn magnuse: A classification number from a scheme not covered by one of the other number fields. The field should not be used for classification numbers assigned from a source for which a subfield $2 source of number code would not be assigned. (Repeatable) [a,b,2,6,8] 11:46 vfernandes magnuse thanks... i had already found it 12:05 slef cait_lunch: it's a random selection of old bugs 12:19 gerundio bug 9453 needs sign off 12:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Needs Signoff , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference 12:19 gerundio vfernandes take a look at it since it relates to you own bug 12:22 vfernandes as soon as possible :) 12:22 gerundio thanks 12:23 gerundio btw, I'm going to start using the plugins to generate barcodes and inventory numbers 12:23 gerundio I have a doubt concerning Koha to MARC mapping 12:24 gerundio barcode is already mapped to field 995f like we talked last week 12:25 vfernandes talking about plugins - a plugin for authorities field 100 in UNIMARC would be nice 12:25 vfernandes bug 8334 12:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8334 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Authority UNIMARC 100 field plugin 12:25 gerundio now I want to map the inventory number (stocknumber field in the items table) to 995j 12:27 gerundio without the map for the stocknumber the values are stored in the more_subfields_xml collumn in the items table 12:27 gerundio when I create the map, the value remains there until I update the record (I'm guessing this one) 12:28 gerundio on update the value is moved from the more_subfields_xml to the stocknumber collumn 12:28 gerundio I'm thinking that a script to perform this operation for mapped fields would be very handy 12:28 gerundio what's your opinion? 12:28 vfernandes there is a script for that 12:29 vfernandes when you change a mapping you need to run it 12:29 vfernandes I don't remember the name 12:29 gerundio nice, that'll save me a lot of work :D 12:29 vfernandes but it stats with rebuild 12:29 vfernandes *starts 12:30 gerundio regarding your plugin for authorities 12:30 gerundio I'm not the person for it... you mention "anyone with more UNIMARC knowlegdes than me" 12:30 gerundio I don't fit the description :D 12:30 gerundio I'll look for that rebuild something script 12:30 gerundio vfernandes++ 12:31 gerundio off to lunch now 12:31 vfernandes batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl 12:31 vfernandes KOHA_HOME/bin/batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl -> that's the script you're looking for 13:17 cait_lunch slef: drojf was wondering when you sent them, he was waiting for a new list :) 13:17 oleonard Hi #koha 13:23 kf hi oleonard 13:23 kf does someone know a reason why the password change button would not be shown in koha 3.6.10? 13:23 kf looking at the code in git but I can't see a reason right now :( 13:23 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/members-toolbar.inc;h=91d179e60a4f1c69d5f630e9f395733bc345084c;hb=36431ed14abfac7c1af94f2e48dc4e37ef3c8f45 13:23 jcamins_away kf: changing the password is disabled by syspref? 13:23 kf in staff? 13:24 jcamins_away Hm. 13:24 jcamins_away Permissions? 13:24 jcamins_away I thought you meant OPAC. 13:24 kf it shows up when we activate superlibrarian for the staff member 13:24 kf but I have no superlibrarian and I can see it. 13:28 jcamins_away Maybe permissions? 13:28 jcamins_away (i.e. the "permissions" permission) 13:28 oleonard kf: I just checked out 3.6.x and tried it with a superlibrarian and non-superlibrarian and saw the password button either way 13:32 oleonard kf: Do they have permission to edit patrons? 13:34 kf oleonard: yep 13:34 kf I just found it 13:34 kf 3.6.10 has can_user_staffaccess 13:34 kf the file i was looking at earlier in git was the wrong one... apparently 13:35 kf so now the question is if they can really not see the button for all users or only not for staff users 13:36 oleonard what's all this about the RM getting a vacation? I don't think that's in the contract. 13:36 kf oleonard: I agree :) 13:37 kf maybe he smuggled in some bonuses 13:37 kf but it's cool 13:37 kf we can use the time to really fill up his queue 14:01 tcohen_ hi #koha 14:06 kf hi tcohen 14:08 slef kf: they're currently scheduled for every 6 days, but human-scheduled not cron. 14:08 tcohen_ its been a while kf, how have u been? 14:09 kf tcohen: I am fine - hoping the cold and darkness will go away soon 14:10 tcohen_ cold and darness? 14:10 kf darkness :) 14:10 kf we got snow and ice here 14:11 kf and can't wait for the days to get longer now :) tired of foggy winter in Konstanz 14:12 * tcohen_ is looking in gmaps 14:14 tcohen kf, now i understand! 14:14 kf big lake :) 14:25 rambutan @wunder 64507 14:25 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -9.4°C (8:23 AM CST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Falling). 14:26 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 14:26 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 32.0°C (11:00 AM ART on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 14:26 tcohen 41° difference! 14:27 rambutan 32.0°C = tropical paradise :) 14:27 magnuse nah, too hot! :-) 14:28 tcohen yeah, too hot. we have no sea here... 14:28 magnuse @wunder boo 14:28 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (2:50 PM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 14:34 rambutan http://www.zdnet.com/fedora-linux-considering-switching-out-mysql-for-mariadb-7000010156/ 14:41 oleonard nengard: What is Bug 8266 about? 14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8266 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , remove location from pull down on search 14:41 nengard what about it? 14:41 nengard that's the bug i commented on ;) 14:41 nengard not the one that says that shelving location is broken 14:42 nengard i'm wondering if the shelving location being broken was closed ? 14:42 oleonard I don't understand your description of the problem 14:46 vfernandes gerundio: the patch for the script failed 14:47 kf tcohen: how are yu? sorry - such a busy day here today 14:47 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:47 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.7°C (3:45 PM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 14:47 druthb @wunder 66046 14:47 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.2°C (8:45 AM CST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 14:48 oleonard @wunder 45701 14:48 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -10.6°C (9:21 AM EST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Rising). 14:49 oleonard druthb: Colder-than-Norway high five! 14:49 kf oleonard: ouch! 14:49 magnuse :-) 14:49 druthb I know, right? Life is not fair. 14:50 druthb @wunder 20852 14:50 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Twinbrook, Rockville, Maryland is -7.7°C (9:47 AM EST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Rising). 14:50 druthb I'd be no better off in DC, except that I don't get called "sir" there as much. And the food is better. 14:51 gerundio vfernandes, the script I submited for bug 9453? 14:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Needs Signoff , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference 14:52 vfernandes yes... the script works fine because I copied the code to a .pl in my installation and tested... but the patch didn't apply probably because I didn't added it with git 14:53 vfernandes if you want I can submit the script using git but the script will be on my name 14:54 kf vfernandes: I think there is a way how you could change the author line... ith git 14:54 kf only not quite sure how that worked 14:54 kf -a or something maybe 14:54 vfernandes ok... i will check it out 14:54 jcamins_away git commit --author="Whoever..." 14:54 kf ah right 14:55 kf "name <email>"? 14:55 jcamins_away Yup. 14:55 vfernandes where should i put the script? 14:55 vfernandes misc/maintenance? 14:56 gerundio vfernandes, I just added it as an attachment 14:57 vfernandes that's why the patch don't apply with git 14:57 gerundio go ahead, you can add it with your name 14:57 gerundio no harm comes to the world because of that 14:58 vfernandes jcamins and kf told me how to put your name 14:58 vfernandes :) 14:58 gerundio the most important thing is that it works, gets tested and becomes available for the community 14:58 oleonard Anyone have an opinion about whether the database structure change made by the patch on Bug 2969 is correct? 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports 14:58 magnuse gerundio++ 14:58 vfernandes I tested and it worked 14:58 oleonard I can re-implement it for T:T if it looks right 15:02 vfernandes jcamins it didn't work... the patch was submitted with my name 15:02 jcamins_away I do that all the time. 15:03 jcamins_away Look in the man page. I must've gotten it slightly wrong. 15:04 vfernandes don't worry... gerundio told that isn't a problem to be in my name 15:05 vfernandes but can I signed off the patch even iwth my name? 15:06 jcamins_away Usually in this case we'd need both you and gerundio to sign off, you to confirm it's working, and gerundio to confirm that the script still works as it was supposed to. 15:08 vfernandes gerundio please test the new patch 15:11 gerundio I'm on it :) 15:12 gerundio give me just some minutes, I'm running the other script regarding the Koha to MARC mapping 15:16 alohabot Hi mib_y2nu66, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 15:18 mib_y2nu66 Good Morning 15:20 mib_y2nu66 We changed our koha installation suse enterprise to debian, due problem performance cpu in PERL 15:21 mib_y2nu66 however, the improvement was not as noticeable 15:22 jcamins_away Same hardware? 15:24 mib_y2nu66 yes sir 15:25 jcamins_away If you're seeing performance issues, and it's not the OS, since Koha works for other people with similar systems, the only thing left I can think of is your data. 15:25 jcamins_away or hardware 15:25 wahanui hardware is Dell PowerEdge T410 15:25 jcamins_away forget hardware 15:25 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot hardware 15:25 jcamins_away hardware? 15:25 jcamins_away Better. 15:25 jcamins_away I am inclined to doubt it is your data, because your description of your library sounded very normal. 15:26 jcamins_away 300k records, a few thousand users, right? 15:27 mib_y2nu66 6 perl process consume 15% cpu everyone in our tests 15:27 mib_y2nu66 hardware is vmware 4 GB RAM 2 cpus debian 15:28 jcamins_away I thought you upgraded to 8GB RAM? 15:28 mib_y2nu66 we lauched test with 10 simultaneous users with 10 borrows everyone 15:29 mib_y2nu66 no swapping with 4 GB 15:29 jcamins_away And when you had ten simultaneous users, there was a performance problem? 15:29 jcamins_away Or did you just observe that the CPU usage was high? 15:30 jcamins_away Because high CPU usage is not a problem. 15:30 mib_y2nu66 yes we had 10 simultaneous users 15:31 mib_y2nu66 in that moment there was a performance problem 15:32 mib_y2nu66 in this moment it is our load average: 8.37, 3.95, 5.12 top command 15:32 mib_y2nu66 with 10 users simultaneous 15:32 mib_y2nu66 is normal? 15:34 jcamins_away That seems higher than when I have benchmarked Koha. 15:35 jcamins_away Unless everyone clicked a link at exactly the same time. 15:35 jcamins_away In which case, yes, that's normal. 15:35 mib_y2nu66 yes that´s right 15:36 mib_y2nu66 we are using jmeter 15:36 mib_y2nu66 test tool 15:36 mib_y2nu66 they are doing borrows 15:36 jcamins_away Wait, so how do you know there is a performance problem? 15:37 jcamins_away Performance problem = system doesn't perform well enough for users. 15:37 magnuse doesn't really get where itemnumbers and barcodes fit into the concept of analytics... #marcmustdie 15:38 mib_y2nu66 because we see high cpu in command top 15:39 jcamins_away High CPU doesn't matter. 15:39 jcamins_away The CPU is there to be used! 15:39 mib_y2nu66 when we launched our tests 15:39 jcamins_away magnuse: it's so that you can have more than one "bib" connected to an item. 15:39 Dyrcona mib_y2nu66: High CPU isn't a problem, unless it is. Are your users complaining that transactions take too long to complete? 15:41 mib_y2nu66 when we doing search in opac take 7 seconds in give results 15:41 mib_y2nu66 until 10 seconds 15:42 vfernandes guys it's possible to change a message before sent it 15:42 vfernandes ? 15:42 jcamins_away vfernandes: in the message queue? 15:42 mib_y2nu66 this is our koha test link http://10.10.11.115/ 15:42 vfernandes yes before being sent 15:42 jcamins_away vfernandes: not without going into the database and doing it manually. 15:43 vfernandes it's easy to change the content but the metadata will be incorrect 15:43 jcamins_away mib_y2nu66: _that_ is a problem. 15:44 magnuse jcamins_away: but when i do Edit > Link to host item (see bug 8595 for that :-) i'm asked to enter an item barcode, but the result is that the child record is linked to the parent *record* that that barcode "belongs to"... 15:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8595 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , link to 'host item' confusing 15:44 jcamins_away magnuse: right. 15:44 jcamins_away What else would it do? 15:45 jcamins_away The item record is contained in a bib record. 15:45 magnuse ask for a biblionumber - or let me search for a biblio. i think that would seem more logical to me... 15:45 magnuse but as long as it works... 15:45 jcamins_away Oh, you're thinking of the other analytics feature. 15:45 jcamins_away The "Link to host item" is for linking items. 15:45 magnuse huh? 15:46 jcamins_away (that's "easy analytics") 15:46 jcamins_away The other one ("enhanced analytics") is for linking two bib records without any items being involved. 15:46 magnuse ah! 15:46 * magnuse has missed something 15:47 jcamins_away So if you want to link records without involving any items, you want... 15:48 jcamins_away Actually, you can't link to a parent. 15:48 jcamins_away Only a child. 15:48 jcamins_away (using enhanced analytics) 15:48 magnuse ooh there's a video on the interwebs with some dude called Jared Camins-Esakov talking about this stuff... 15:48 magnuse http://archive.org/details/Kohacon12-AnalyticRecordsAndKoha 15:49 magnuse jcamins_away: do i have to change a syspref to use it? or do i just enter stuff into 773? or? 15:49 mib_y2nu66 with only one search opac-search consume 32% cpu use in top command 15:53 jcamins_away magnuse: to use which? 15:53 magnuse jcamins_away: "enhanced analytics" 15:53 jcamins_away Ah. 15:53 jcamins_away If you're just doing parent-child links, I don't think there's anything that needs turning on. 15:53 jcamins_away Just view the parent record, and go to New->Create child 15:54 gerundio jcamins_away, regarding bug 9453 what do I have to do to sign it off too? I've tested the patch submitted by vfernandes and it works as expected 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Signed Off , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference 15:55 jcamins_away gerundio: but you don't have a git installation? 15:55 gerundio not using one at the moment 15:56 jcamins_away If not, you can simply update the bug saying "I applied this to my standard installation and can confirm it works properly." 15:56 jcamins_away Or something to that effect. 15:56 gerundio ok 15:57 magnuse jcamins_away: got it, i think! thanks! 15:57 gerundio done 15:57 gerundio jcamins_away++ 15:58 gerundio I ran the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script after mapping items->stocknumber to MARC field 995j 15:59 gerundio the value remained in the items->more_subfields_xml and items->stocknumber didn't get populated 15:59 gerundio what's the expected behavior? 16:00 gerundio I've mentioned before that even though the field is 995j it gets stored in the more_subfields_xml as tag 999 field j 16:00 gerundio might that have anything to do with it? 16:00 jcamins_away gerundio: that sounds like a bug, yes. 16:01 gerundio vfernandes told me before that the fact that tag 995 field values get stored as 999 is normal in UNIMARC 16:01 gerundio right vfernandes? 16:07 kf jcamins_away: hm I think it is like that, although it odesn't make sense 16:07 kf same for marc21 and the more_subfields_xml 16:07 gerundio on the other hand, looking now at the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl source code 16:07 gerundio I think it only updates tables biblio and biblioitems 16:07 jcamins_away kf: weird. 16:07 kf gerundio: the thing is you haven't mapped it to a database column. the marc record should have it in the proper field and only in the db it shoudl appear in 999 16:07 kf jcamins_away: exactly. 16:08 gerundio kf, lost you there 16:08 gerundio I ran the script after performing the map 16:08 gerundio I mapped the tag 999 field j to items' stocknumber 16:09 gerundio and the ran the script 16:09 gerundio it's the right order, correct? 16:10 kf hm you shouldn't use 999 for mapping 16:10 kf use your normal item field 16:10 kf 952 or 995 16:10 wahanui 1019 16:10 gerundio sorry 16:10 kf depending on your marc flavour :) 16:10 gerundio I meant 995 16:10 jcamins_away 1 or 2 16:11 jcamins_away 8 or 16 16:11 kf ok 16:11 kf you map it 16:11 jcamins_away wahanui: 8 or 16 16:11 wahanui 24 16:11 kf then it shoudl work when adding new data 16:11 jcamins_away 7 or 6 16:11 gerundio right 16:11 kf but your problem is, that you want to move the data out of the marcxml? 16:11 jcamins_away wahanui: 7 or 6 16:11 wahanui 7 16:11 jcamins_away Interesting. 16:11 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 16:11 gerundio yes, that's right kf 16:11 kf hmm 16:11 gerundio because I want to use the stocknumber generator plugin 16:12 kf I have never used the script 16:12 kf what I woudl probably do is use sql and do a complete reindex 16:12 gerundio which looks for the max stocknumber in the items table 16:12 kf I guess using a script is much better :) 16:12 gerundio if I don't have the 995 j data stored there it won't catch my latest stocknumber 16:12 kf i think the problem might be 16:12 gerundio script sounds much better yes 16:13 kf that the script might not cover item tables 16:13 kf or moving data around 16:13 kf because the item data is not in the marc 16:13 kf the script was bulit to allow you to remap bibliographic infrmation, but we removed the items from the xml 16:13 kf so they stand alone now 16:13 kf jcamins_away: does that make sense? 16:14 jcamins_away kf: it does, but that means that there needs to be a script for rebuilding the items table. 16:15 bag morning 16:15 gerundio jcamins_away, my thoughts exactly 16:15 gerundio since there's a feature to map items with marc 16:15 gerundio I can try to it 16:15 gerundio to ^ do ^ it 16:16 jcamins_away bag: how's the weather been recently? 16:16 gerundio should it remain as batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl or a new script? 16:16 bag begin of last week was cold - but lately nice and average 16:17 bag @weather 93101 16:17 huginn bag: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Santa Barbra CA US, Santa Barbara, California is -0.6°C (7:49 AM PST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 6%. Dew Point: -34.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 16:17 jcamins_away gerundio: I think it would be good to add items to the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script. 16:17 bag hmm cold this morning I guess 16:17 jcamins_away That makes more sense to me. 16:17 jcamins_away Looks like the weather in Palm Desert is going to be high fifties to low seventies next week. 16:18 bag I was in palm desert this last weekend 16:18 jcamins_away How was the weather? 16:19 bag got upto 78 degrees in the afternoon :) 16:19 jcamins_away Not that the weather last weekend predicts what it will be like next week, but I figure it's just as good or better as a predictor than the forecasts. 16:19 jcamins_away Nice! 16:19 bag ah you are going there? 16:20 bag you should ride up the tram - that's pretty cool 16:20 jcamins_away Yeah, we're flying out Friday, and we'll be there until February 4. 16:22 jcamins_away bag: oooh, that looks neat! 16:23 jcamins_away You can go skiing... a shame I don't know how to. 16:24 jcamins_away Also snowshoeing. 16:24 oleonard jcamins_away: Try an eighties-movie-style ski-training montage, you'll be up to speed in no time 16:24 jcamins_away oleonard: lol 16:30 kf gerundio: maybe check if one of the other scripts is able to do it - I am mostly guessing here 16:33 gerundio kf: will do 16:49 Joubu good bye all o/ 16:49 Joubu jcamins_away: Thanks for your quick reply on bug 8089. I will certainly sign it off tomorrow! 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Use Koha::Cache everywhere 16:49 oleonard Bye Joubu 16:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #15 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #7 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 16:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #15: SUCCESS in 1 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/15/ 16:50 jenkins_koha nengard: update execute reports permission 16:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #7: STILL FAILING in 1 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/7/ 16:50 jenkins_koha nengard: update execute reports permission 16:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #263 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 0 days ago) 16:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #263: STILL FAILING in 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/263/ 16:51 jenkins_koha nengard: update execute reports permission 17:11 oleonard jcamins_away: I'm reminded of the old joke where the patient says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this!" and the doctor replies "Don't do that." 17:12 jcamins_away Me too. 17:12 slef hrm? 17:13 oleonard slef: the list conversation about logging in as database user 17:15 slef oleonard: not got to that mailbox yet today. In general, logging in as the database user has rescued things many many times, but I try not to use it much. If the ability goes away, we'd need another rescue tool. 17:16 slef oleonard: of course, *we* could probably use a db UPDATE command, but do you really want to be expecting the sort of people who log in as database user to do that? ;-) 17:17 oleonard Don't worry slef we're not talking about it going away 17:17 * oleonard has been similarly rescued himself 17:17 jcamins_away slef: I think the database user should not be able to use anything other than core functionality. 17:17 jcamins_away Just hide the acquisitions, serials, tools., etc. modules. 17:18 kf jcamins_away: I like that idea 17:19 slef jcamins_away: in other words, userid 0 won't pass a test for superlibrarian any more, only some flags. 17:19 slef jcamins_away: if so, sounds good. 17:20 jcamins_away slef: right. 17:21 jcamins_away The idea being that the only things that the database user should be required for are related to patrons, catalogue, and cataloging (and maybe circ?). 17:21 jcamins_away However, I'm not implementing that, so it's just an idea. 17:32 gerundio bug 9453 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Failed QA , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference 17:32 gerundio Marked as Failed QA. 17:33 gerundio the reasons for failure are the issues pointed in lines 69 and 71 or is the fact that "the script has to display the help if it is called without parameter"? 17:33 rangi all of the above 17:34 oleonard Good morning rangi 17:34 rangi morning oleonard 17:35 gerundio rangi, that script was developed based on the existing one pointed to me by jcamins_away, touch_all_biblios.pl 17:35 rangi yup 17:36 rangi still needs to display the help, and not have perlcritic violations tho :) we don't want to introduce more technical debt 17:36 jcamins_away Yeah, a lot of the code in Koha is not actually very good. :( 17:38 vfernandes who is the best person to talk about developments for label and patron cards creators? 17:39 gerundio rangi, got it and will fix the issues ASAP 17:39 jcamins_away vfernandes: you mean you want to commission someone to do work on it? 17:39 jcamins_away I don't know. 17:41 vfernandes I have some "needings" like: change the barcodes scales (on the cards and the labels), introduce images for labels and break callnumbers on labels with other character than the omission (i think it's space) 17:41 rangi bug 8375 17:41 wahanui bug 8375 is surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work. 17:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, In Discussion , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF 17:42 rangi vfernandes: the win is to ditch pdf ... its bad wrong and evil 17:42 rangi and to do it with html/css instead 17:43 rangi or we could beat a dead horse for another 5 years and move no where :) 17:43 rangi thats my opinion anyway 17:44 jcamins_away rangi: but do you know anyone interested in doing the work? 17:44 rangi not for free no 17:44 vfernandes rangi I understand that PDF is less flexible than HTML/CSS but except somethings PDF works fine for me 17:44 jcamins_away I meant for pay. 17:45 rangi we would, but not in trying to band aid the pdf stuff 17:45 jcamins_away vfernandes: there you go. rangi would be someone to talk to. :) 17:45 vfernandes I only thing that labels should work more like the patron cards 17:46 vfernandes in patron cards you can have different fonts, text spaces, images... 17:46 vfernandes in labels the layout is not that flexible 17:46 rangi they are fundamentally broken and work very badly for languages that include diacritics (and worse for non roman character sets) 17:47 rangi and that's not the fault of the koha code, thats just the way pdf are 17:48 vfernandes characters like ã, à , ç... are working 17:48 rangi not consistently across all systems they arent 17:49 rangi anyway the upshot is, i have no desire to do any work on the current labels system :) 17:50 vfernandes I need to make some changes but I don't know the better way to do it 17:50 rangi (built in pdf fonts only support latin-1 those diacritics are part of that) 17:51 vfernandes for exemple: barcode scales numbers can be system preferences and the default character to break the callnumber too 17:51 vfernandes I have labels images working in the labels but they are hardcoded... so there is the need of a interface to change that 17:57 * rangi wanders off for breakfast 17:57 reiveune bye 18:00 * magnuse waves to paul_p 18:00 * magnuse thinks there should be an optional way to force koha to put the biblionumber in 001 18:01 jcamins_away magnuse: I agree! 18:01 jcamins_away It drives me batty that there isn't. 18:01 magnuse yay 18:01 magnuse (for the agreement, not the ensuing battiness) 18:01 jcamins_away magnuse: maybe the battiness is why I'm rewriting search. :P 18:02 magnuse hehe 18:02 magnuse yay for the battiness too, then ;-) 18:04 gerundio rangi, what is the best way to test the script compliance against PBP? 18:05 jcamins_away perlcritic 18:05 wahanui perlcritic is a bastard…… 18:05 jcamins_away lol 18:06 magnuse heh 18:07 gerundio my thoughts too 18:07 gerundio the bot got it right 18:08 gerundio I ran it against it perlcritic directly with a POST request on a terminal 18:08 gerundio I guess the severity is set too high 18:08 gerundio it outputs a truck load of warnings 18:08 gerundio how do you commonly use it? 18:09 magnuse gerundio: there is an official percriticrc file here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=t/perlcriticrc;h=69b3d7404054f0ac2babbe42e90f3f978defa4f4;hb=HEAD 18:09 magnuse s/percriticrc/perlcriticrc/ 18:11 gerundio so how can I run my script against percritic with those set of rules defined for koha? 18:11 magnuse you can run "perlcriticrc --profile path/to/t/perlcriticrc" 18:12 magnuse see e.g. http://search.cpan.org/~thaljef/Perl-Critic-1.118/bin/perlcritic 18:12 magnuse or "perldoc perlcritic" 18:14 gerundio magnuse++ 18:17 gerundio only 1 occurence now: "require" statement with library name as string at line 26, column 12. Use a bareword instead. (Severity: 5) 18:17 gerundio it refers to this line: eval { require "$FindBin::Bin/../kohalib.pl" }; 18:17 jcamins_away You can ignore that. 18:17 gerundio ;) 18:18 jcamins_away That is an acceptable use of require. 18:19 gerundio enough work for today 18:19 gerundio see you guys tomorrow 18:24 magnuse have fun gerundio 18:26 magnuse hm, so the "show analytics" link is shown only if leader position 7 = "s"? that seems wrong... 18:27 jcamins_away You could also display it for LDR/07=c 18:27 vfernandes bye people... cya! 18:27 magnuse collection? yeah, that might make sense! 18:29 melia bugs.koha-community.org is not loading for me right now. is it just me? 18:30 jcamins_away Works for me. 18:30 melia oop there it goes. just slow I guess. thanks for checking. :) 19:08 * cait waves 19:09 rangi back 19:09 cait hey rangi 19:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Coming Attractions: Koha Plugin System! http://t.co/ZNxQE6Xx #kohails" 19:11 cait hm bit early 19:12 cait it hasn't passed qa yet 19:25 libsysguy hey rangi you said Jenkens played nicely with selenium tests right? 19:26 rangi it can be made to, you need a server with jenkins all set up on it tho, and then configure that as a jenkins slave, you also need to make the build install/upgrade a working koha so that you have something to test against 19:27 libsysguy so you need to Jenkins servers? 19:28 rangi we already have 2, we need more 19:28 libsysguy I see 19:28 rangi selenium is a pig to run headless 19:29 libsysguy well I have started making modular tests for selenium to run on, so you can stack them to make whatever test you need 19:29 rangi thats the hardest bit, getting that going a server that can run selenium, then jenkins can use that as one of it's slaves 19:29 rangi course it needs a working koha to test against 19:29 libsysguy and I didn't know if I should commit them or put them somewhere else 19:29 jcamins_away You could have a koha-selenium-library on github. 19:29 jcamins_away Or git.bws.com. Or gitorious. Or wherever. 19:30 libsysguy so jcamins_away you think separate repo is the way to go 19:30 libsysguy I can handle that 19:31 jcamins_away Yes, because selenium tests are more likely to be regression tests that need to be run against many different versions. 19:32 libsysguy the other problem is cssr 19:32 libsysguy or ccsr 19:32 libsysguy or whatever 19:34 jcamins_away Toggle syspref, repeat tests. 19:34 libsysguy I think the ID's are different 19:35 libsysguy so you have to have different CCSR tests…unless you are just clicking, then it looks for link text 19:35 libsysguy but element verification could be challenging with an all in one test 19:35 jcamins_away The IDs are different only in the headers. 19:35 jcamins_away The actual pages are all just from prog. 19:36 libsysguy ah okay 19:37 jcamins_away Also, if it reaches the level of "features don't work," that makes it a bug. 19:38 libsysguy you want jenkins to submit bugs now too…geez he's a butler not a slave :p 19:38 jcamins_away No, I want _you_ to submit bugs. If there are bugs. 19:38 jcamins_away If the problem is that the test gives false failures, you should fix the test. :P 19:41 libsysguy haha gah I'm a programmer…you must have me confused with a QAA or something :p 19:42 rangi datadoctor: welcome committer 201 :) 19:43 datadoctor Thanks! We are hard at work on another contribution. 19:43 rangi excellent! 19:44 datadoctor It's a small thing, but the patron secondary phone number and "other" phone number fields swap when a new patron is created. 19:44 datadoctor Bug 9470 19:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9470 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Secondary and Other Phone Listings are reversed in patron record after creating 19:47 datadoctor It's very exciting to be part of this big, wonderful project. 19:47 wizzyrea :) 19:47 jatara Hi, all. Do we have any step-by-step documentation on inventory/stocktaking? 19:48 jcamins_away datadoctor++ 19:48 magnuse datadoctor++ 19:48 jatara datadoctor++ 19:49 magnuse @karma datadoctor 19:49 huginn magnuse: Karma for "datadoctor" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6. 19:49 datadoctor I've got this jatara: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/inventory.html 19:49 * wizzyrea was just about to link that - but it's not terrifically step by step. 19:50 wizzyrea it may be all we've got though 19:50 datadoctor We are implementing a tablet - bluetooth scanner combo for inventory and shelf-scanning. 19:50 wizzyrea neat :) 19:51 jatara Thanks. all. Would love to learn more about the tablet-bluetooth scanner 19:55 datadoctor jatara - we liked the motorola cs3000 because of the low price and compact form factor and good reviews, but there are lots of choices 19:56 datadoctor Most tablets are bluetooth ready, but you would want to make sure the tablet has bluetooth capability. 19:57 datadoctor Then you will have to register your tablet on the network, so you have staff-side access to Koha. 19:57 wizzyrea I love the nexus 7 I have. 19:57 wizzyrea datadoctor: that really depends on how your network is set up 19:57 wizzyrea but that is certainly true in some cases 19:58 datadoctor "Individual configurations may vary." :D 19:59 jcamins_away I need a barcode scanner. 19:59 * magnuse would clean up all the uninitialized values etc in the tests, if he had the time... 19:59 datadoctor We are not up and running with that yet, but it's on our priority list for Reference Dept. 20:00 datadoctor We use Metrologic orbits at the checkout - the multiple scanning planes give you more angles you can scan at. 20:01 datadoctor Single plane scanners are OK if you are holding them, but multi-plane work a lot better on the desk, and scan better through plastic. 20:01 * jcamins_away was spoiled by working in libraries. 20:02 jcamins_away Now that I work from home, I don't really need a super-nice barcode scanner, because I rarely need it. 20:13 oleonard datadoctor: For future reference, you needn't mess with a bug's Priority setting because we don't really pay attention to it 20:14 wizzyrea I wonder if we should take it off 20:14 datadoctor Thanks oleonard! I read the documentation on it, and didn't know if it was necessary. I don't think this is mission critical, but on our system we send text messages 20:14 * magnuse bids #koha a good night or other time of the day 20:14 wizzyrea gnite magnuse 20:14 datadoctor to the secondary number, so the bug affects how our patrons are notified. 20:15 rangi cya magnuse 20:15 oleonard datadoctor: The trivial to blocker setting we look at. P5-P1 we don't. 20:17 datadoctor jcamins_away - Unitech makes some super-cheap scanners, datalogic slightly better and the metrologic voyagers are good and not too expensive. try to find one used if you are just using it for testing. 20:18 datadoctor We accidentally ordered our last scanner with a "powered" USB cord - it was a very weird plug: http://www.poweredusb.org/whatispusb.html 20:18 jcamins_away Very weird. 20:19 jcamins_away Did you manage to connect it to the computer? 20:20 trea kia ora 20:24 datadoctor I thought about using a USB extender, but to be on the safe side, I had the vendor swap the cable for regular USB. 20:26 datadoctor the odd thing is that the scanner works fine with regular USB power, no power cord required, so not sure why they shipped it with the weird cable...learned something new! 20:34 * chris_n wonders what's hard to understand about "it won't work... ever"? 20:35 wizzyrea :/ 20:38 cait chris_n: I think it's good people won't accept that for an answer :) 20:38 wizzyrea well that is probably how all progress comes about 20:38 cait maybe point to the bug? 20:38 wizzyrea there must be a solution, we just don't know what it is yet. 20:38 cait wizzyrea: yep, that was what I was thinking :) 20:39 wizzyrea (and it's frustrating because the current solution won't work... ever) 20:41 cait oleonard is in a patch frenzy 20:42 oleonard I'm past the halfway point in my tablesorter massacre 20:42 jcamins_away oleonard++ 20:43 jcamins_away wizzyrea: no, we know what the solution is. 20:43 cait oleonard+++ 20:43 jcamins_away Use HTML + CSS 20:43 cait oleonard: do you think there is a chance something bootstrappy could be added to 3.12? 20:43 oleonard I still prefer the simplicity of the old tablesorter plugin for most things, but since it doesn't seem to be developed anymore... 20:43 cait like the more accessible menus? 20:43 jcamins_away What we don't know is where the funding for that development would come from. 20:44 oleonard cait: Now that the licensing issue is out of the way I don't see why not. 20:44 cait that would be quite awesome 20:44 oleonard Someone remind me of the 3.12 release date? 20:44 cait jcamins_away: see? 20:45 cait was telling jared tody he needs to remind people of the freeze dats 20:45 cait (including me) 20:45 wizzyrea jcamins_away: funding for what 20:45 wizzyrea for html + css instead of pdf or bootstrap 20:45 cait rewrite of lablemodule for css html I tihnk 20:45 cait label 20:45 cait gr. can't type 20:46 * wizzyrea has some additional styling work done on the bootstrap menus 20:46 cait wizzyrea: is there a chance you could ask your accessibility expert ot test it wiht a screenreader? 20:46 wizzyrea and our student, who is *technically* a design student with an interest in IT, has a real interest in doing more bootstrap work. 20:46 cait cool :) 20:47 wizzyrea cait: sure, we can ask him. I can tell you though that if you can successfully navigate through it, and the links have appropriate context and/or ARIA regions, that it will be fine. 20:47 wizzyrea successfully navigate through with a keyboard. 20:47 wizzyrea I mean 20:47 cait got you :) 20:48 oleonard So, uh... What are the 3.12 freeze dates? 20:48 oleonard What kind of menu styling wizzyrea? 20:48 jcamins_away wizzyrea: HTML + CSS 20:48 wizzyrea overriding the bootstrap CSS to make it look a bit more like it does now 20:49 wizzyrea instead of the steel grey of default bootstrap 20:49 oleonard wizzyrea: File a bug and post screenshots? 20:49 wizzyrea adding down carats to the dropdown 20:49 wizzyrea there is a bug 20:49 wizzyrea one sec 20:50 wizzyrea bug 9420 holds the original work of corey 20:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Work on Bootstrap for Koha 20:50 wizzyrea and I did some yesterday on it 20:50 wizzyrea but I haven't submitted it back 20:50 wizzyrea yet 20:53 oleonard Gawd I hate the suggestions management interface 20:54 rangi id be happy if 3.12 introduced no new features, just fixed things (like the search stuff) and all our UX issues 20:56 rangi and then 3.14 would be the opac release 20:56 * rangi dreams 20:56 * jcamins_away thinks that would be a great idea. 20:56 rangi if we stop adding retarded 'features' from legacy ils ... the world would be a nicer place 20:56 jcamins_away There are many bugs that could use fixing. 20:56 rangi *nod* 20:57 oleonard that'll never work, what with the 3.12 feature freeze coming up in only three weeks. 20:57 cait rangi: keen on bootstrap because of better accessibility 20:57 cait will take it in steel grey too :) 20:58 rangi oleonard: like i said, no new features 20:58 rangi fixing the UX isnt a feature its a bugfix 20:58 rangi i dont even see bootstrap as a new feature either 20:58 oleonard rangi: But with the 3.12 feature freeze four months away we have plenty of time for new features! 20:58 cait 3 weeks???? 20:58 eythian hi 20:59 cait oleonard: now you really confused me 20:59 oleonard cait: I'm going to keep throwing out random timeframes until someone corrects me 20:59 rangi cait: i think he is trying to :-) 20:59 cait oh 20:59 cait good plan 20:59 rangi only jcamins_away knows the answer :) 20:59 jcamins_away March 22. 20:59 cait and it worked 21:00 jcamins_away The timeline is exactly the same as what it was when I announced the timeline prior to being elected. 21:00 cait that's right after the hackfest in marseille 21:00 cait so not a bad timing 21:00 * jcamins_away has been contemplating moving it a bit earlier, so the hackfest is post-feature freeze. 21:00 jcamins_away But as of right now, it remains March 22. 21:00 oleonard jcamins_away: So you don't get inundated at the last minute? 21:01 oleonard wahanui: Koha 3.12 feature freeze is 22 March 2013 21:01 wahanui OK, oleonard. 21:01 jcamins_away oleonard: that, and because there are a gazillion bugs that need fixing. What better use for developers than, oh, I don't know, fixing them? :P 21:01 jcamins_away Fixing the bugs, not the developers. 21:01 jcamins_away Developers have personality so fixing is unnecessary. 21:03 rangi i dunno 21:03 rangi that rangi guy is a dick 21:03 oleonard :P 21:03 trea heh 21:03 eythian wahanui: that rangi guy 21:03 wahanui eythian: excuse me? 21:04 eythian aww didn't work :) 21:04 rangi heh 21:06 cait feature freeze is march 22nd 21:06 cait shortening that a bit :) 21:06 cait feature freeze? 21:06 wahanui feature freeze is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.8 21:06 jcamins_away [off] I guess you haven't heard the joke about engineers' birth control? 21:06 cait wahanui: forget freature freeze 21:06 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching freature freeze 21:06 cait forget feature freeze 21:06 wahanui cait: I forgot feature freeze 21:07 cait feature freeze is march 22nd 2013 21:07 cait feature freeze? 21:07 wahanui somebody said feature freeze was march 22nd 2013 21:07 cait hah! 21:07 * jcamins_away leaves for good. 21:07 jcamins_away Have a good evening. 21:08 cait bye jcamins_away :) 21:13 oleonard why isn't there a roadmap to 3.12? 21:18 cait hm not sure 21:18 cait like what? 21:18 wahanui i guess like is done all the time in the Lua community 21:18 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Coming Attractions: Koha Plugin System! http://t.co/IC7ioM9c" 21:18 wizzyrea forget like what 21:18 wahanui rumour has it like is done all the time in the Lua community 21:19 wizzyrea forget like 21:19 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot like 21:19 oleonard cait: Like the wiki page wahanui referenced above, for 3.8 21:20 cait guess because we never manage to stick to it 21:20 cait but actually that one doesn't look too bad 21:20 cait maybe we could run the rlease note scripts now and then 21:20 cait and put the feature list on a wiki page 21:22 oleonard I guess the information jcamins referenced above is here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Jcamins_Proposal_for_RM-3.12 21:22 oleonard ...although without specific dates.