Time Nick Message
00:00 melia can bug 3111 be closed? it appears to me by looking at the referenced links there that all of his old problems have been resolved
00:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3111 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Opac lists all ITYPES as same, when database lists different. Other OPAC issues.
00:01 jcamins Sounds like it.
00:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9407' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e7e987c038a86091d4feebf887cc4f76f1d793e> / Bug 9407: patrons search should match substrings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99e1fa291a9b465df7f6139e3fc077ae89674d2c> / Merge branch 'bug_7678' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=830f36607c9ae
00:01 jcamins Or, at least, it's incomprehensible, so it's of no use.
00:01 melia ok marking resolved :)
00:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #1020 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:05 jcamins Oh, yay.
00:05 jcamins Most of the patches that have passed QA are patches that are unpleasant to test.
00:18 jcamins Such as the overdue notices...
00:18 wizzyrea *nod*
00:18 jcamins Which are entirely non-functional on Plack systems.
00:18 jcamins And there seems to be a syntax error in the script.
00:20 rangi you ran it with bash eh?
00:21 jcamins Hm.
00:21 jcamins Maybe not.
00:21 jcamins Right now I'm trying to get some overdues to show up.
00:21 jcamins Then I will try to run the script again.
00:34 rangi wtf http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=17598
00:35 rangi innovative are confused
00:35 wizzyrea i think they are creating a new consortium, is what it looks like to me
00:36 rangi it was more the copyright thingy
00:36 rangi (its the fork not koha btw too)
00:36 wizzyrea right right
00:36 * wizzyrea was just thinking that
00:36 wizzyrea re: geagua
00:36 rangi yeah
00:36 wizzyrea uga*
00:36 jcamins Definitely a fork.
00:36 wizzyrea koha copyright. lulz.
00:36 wizzyrea it's the only one that has that
00:37 * wizzyrea catches up
00:37 wizzyrea herp derp derp
00:40 jcamins Returns is not Plack-compatible?!?
00:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.8.9 released http://t.co/9QIzXIGZ"
00:43 * jcamins grouses.
01:05 jcamins There are many good reasons the RM should use Plack.
01:06 jcamins Unfortunately, there is also one good reason s/he shouldn't: half the pages don't work.
01:06 wahanui okay, jcamins.
01:06 jcamins there?
01:06 wahanui hmmm... there is a lot of clean up that could be done.
01:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1020: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1020/
01:10 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 7678: Adds extended patron attributes in patron reports
01:10 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7678: follow-up to pass QA
01:10 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7678: Adds extended patron attributes in patron reports
01:10 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 9407: patrons search should match substrings
01:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Statistics wizard: patrons
01:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9407 minor, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , patrons search should match substrings
01:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9343' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=36431ed14abfac7c1af94f2e48dc4e37ef3c8f45> / Bug 9343: handles the new format of Debarred <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58494beb7949d57d9b84784edc3e55848192eff8> / Merge branch 'bug_9263' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c418b26a7f3923c8
01:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #1021 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:13 wizzyrea golly I sure do like how koha looks with some boostrap elements.
01:13 wizzyrea boot*
01:19 rangi wahanui: we should use more MARC
01:19 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/01-how-about-no-bear.jpg?w=800
01:19 bag rangi awesome!
01:19 * wizzyrea giggles
01:19 rangi wahanui: u mad?
01:19 wahanui https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6984227072/h33EFA2F6/
01:20 * wizzyrea approves
01:21 wizzyrea guess we're not trendy enough
01:21 wizzyrea j/k j/k
01:21 rangi why did the hipster burn his mouth?
01:22 wizzyrea >.> idk why
01:22 rangi he drank his coffee before it was cool
01:22 eythian heard that one already
01:22 wizzyrea ^^ the ultimate hipster.
01:22 rangi here's one from atarau
01:22 rangi knock knock
01:22 jcamins lol
01:22 wizzyrea who's there
01:22 wahanui there is a lot of clean up that could be done.
01:22 rangi door
01:22 wizzyrea door who?
01:22 wahanui rumour has it door is 6 months old,
01:22 rangi door did a fart
01:22 rangi bwahahaha
01:23 wizzyrea loool
01:23 rangi the whole changes daily, but it's always did a fart
01:23 rangi who even
01:24 wizzyrea soren's is "x rolled down the hall and ran into a rock"
01:24 eythian http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/172rp9/comedians_of_reddit_what_is_the_worst_joke_youve/
01:24 rangi hehe
02:06 bag evening
02:08 rangi hey bag
02:12 jcamins Submitted my caching patches.
02:13 rangi sweet
02:14 * rangi adds them to his backlog of things to test
02:15 jcamins Heh.
02:16 * jcamins wanders off.
02:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1021: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1021/
02:18 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9263: Trim barcodes in offline circulation
02:18 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 9343: handles the new format of Debarred
02:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Trim barcodes in offline circulation
02:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9343 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , SIP doesn't handle debarred date/status correctly
02:41 wizzyrea @wunder wellington, nz
02:41 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
02:41 wizzyrea I approve.
02:45 rangi heh
02:49 druthb @wunder 66046
02:49 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -3.8°C (8:47 PM CST on January 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
02:49 druthb Miss this, wizzyrea?
02:49 eythian http://imgur.com/VKSSBpi
02:50 druthb It is colder than a mother-in-law's kiss here today. *shiver*
02:53 wizzyrea brr
02:53 wizzyrea I am sure I'll get my comeuppance :)
02:53 wizzyrea maybe not to that precise degree.
02:54 wizzyrea eythian: what is it?
02:54 eythian http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/world/europe/norway-cheese-fire-shuts-tunnel.html?_r=0
02:54 eythian 27 tons of cheese on fire!
02:54 wizzyrea holy smoked gouda!
02:55 wizzyrea it burned for 4 days!
02:55 wizzyrea also I think I have had this cheese, it's pretty yummy.
02:55 wizzyrea probably not so yummy whilst on fire.
02:56 wizzyrea then again, you could just shout "Opa!" and be greek.
06:48 cait good morning #koha
06:54 schnydszch hello koha community, is it possible with koha 3.8.x to show barcodes of biblios in the results page? or there's some code to be added? thanks & good day.
07:00 magnuse schnydszch: showing barcodes in result lists is not possible in any version
07:01 magnuse but 3.10 has a setting called OPACShowBarcode which shows the barcode in the detail view. example here: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1
07:01 magnuse on the holdings tab there is a column for barcode
07:03 magnuse and good morning #koha
07:11 magnuse rangi++ for 3.10.2 and 3.8.9!!
07:15 cait rangi++ :)
07:15 cait morning magnuse :)
07:34 schnydszch thanks magnuse. but i can't seem see the barcode from your example.
07:36 alex_a bonjour
07:38 cait schnydszch: that only applies to 3.10 and the detail page
07:38 cait normally users have no use for barcodes
07:47 cait bbl :)
07:52 magnuse schnydszch: it shows the barcode as text, not as an image. and the barcode in the example i gave is simply "1"
07:57 drojf good morning #koha
07:58 magnuse hiya drojf
07:58 drojf hei magnuse
07:58 drojf how is the summer going? :)
08:01 magnuse @wunder boo
08:01 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:50 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
08:01 magnuse it's suddenly turned white...
08:02 magnuse and lots more white stuff is supposed to arrive in the coming week...
08:02 magnuse @wunder folldal
08:02 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:02 magnuse @wunder folldal, norway
08:02 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:02 magnuse @wunder rrs
08:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -28.0°C (8:50 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -32.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
08:02 magnuse could have been worse, though :-)
08:04 gaetan_B hello
08:04 wahanui what's up, gaetan_B
08:06 magnuse hiya gaetan_B
08:16 kf back
08:16 schnydszch ok magnuse, got it. actually the barcode if for the staffs.
08:16 schnydszch is for the staffs
08:17 schnydszch so they can easily see the accession no./barcode from the search result instead of clicking the corresponding item
08:36 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:36 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -5.3°C (9:12 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
08:36 drojf magnuse: still warmer at your place ;)
08:36 magnuse w00t! :-)
08:38 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:38 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.9°C (9:35 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
08:38 kf @wunder boo
08:38 huginn kf: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (9:20 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
08:38 kf I win :)
08:41 magnuse :-/
08:41 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (9:30 AM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Rising).
08:42 kf hm ok... marseille wins :)
08:42 magnuse @wunder mumbai
08:42 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0°C (1:40 PM IST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
08:42 magnuse :-)
08:43 kf not sure mumbai counts
08:49 Joubu hello #koha
08:49 reiveune hello
08:50 kf hi Joubu and reiveune
08:50 reiveune hi kf
08:51 kf morning paul_p
08:52 paul_p hello kf. In bed with flu today (fortunately for you, it can't be sent by IRC)
08:52 kf very fortunate
08:52 kf hope you feel better soon
08:53 kf paul_p: I was talking to magnuse earlier about maybe advertising the hackfest in europe a bit more?
08:53 paul_p kf= it's a good idea. How could we do that ?
08:54 paul_p (I plan to send a mail to turkish guy that announced 1112 libraries migrating ;-) )
08:54 kf maybe koha mailing list again and the newsletter?
08:54 kf or coudl be an entry on kc-org too maybe
08:54 kf paul_p: also a good idea
09:15 magnuse any memcached experts around? it seems one of my installations has bad data in it's cache. is it possible to empty the cache for that instance and not for the others?
09:35 kf hm
09:35 kf seems drojf has bad internet again
09:38 rangi [off] http://www.prweb.com/releases/prwebptfs/dia-sia-II-contract/prweb10350371.htm
09:39 kf oh
09:40 rangi [off] tell me again how you arent a defence contractor
09:41 kf [off] they denied that?
09:41 rangi [off] yep on wikipedia
09:41 kf [off] where is the point in denying that?
09:42 rangi [off] where is the point in getting a trademark in nz .. it doesnt have to make sense for them to do it :)
09:42 kf [off] right
09:43 magnuse rangi: am i right in thinking that in order to clear up bad data in memcached for one koha instance i have to restart memcached completely?
09:43 rangi do you know what bit is bad?
09:44 magnuse something related to the frameworks
09:44 magnuse i get errors like Can't use string ("") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1555.
09:44 magnuse and $tagslib always seems to be involved
09:44 rangi you can telnet to it and delete the key
09:44 rangi http://blog.elijaa.org/index.php?post/2010/05/21/Memcached-telnet-command-summary
09:45 magnuse how do i know whic key to delete?
09:45 rangi stats items
09:46 kf magnuse: hmmm I think I saw a patch for something with tagslib
09:46 kf @query tagslib
09:46 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3142 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , standardize how OPAC and staff determine requestability
09:46 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3162 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Authority subfileds definitions and Show/Show Collapsed/Hide option
09:46 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6018 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Batch modifitcation of items Enchancements
09:46 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7412 enhancement, P3, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Pre-filling items in cataloging
09:46 rangi it would probably be easier to just run flush
09:46 kf hm more results than I expected, but they don't look helpful
09:46 rangi flush_all
09:47 magnuse rangi: that will affect all instances, right?
09:48 rangi yup
09:49 magnuse ok, better wait until this evening then, so i don't throw aout everyone who might be logged in
09:49 rangi *nod*
09:49 magnuse that is one downside to having sessions in memcached...
09:51 vfernandes hello
09:51 wahanui hey, vfernandes
09:52 vfernandes hi :)
09:55 vfernandes gerundio are you here?
09:55 gerundio hey vfernandes, yes
09:56 vfernandes nice... i was looking for your LDAP patch
09:56 vfernandes i have one question
09:57 vfernandes why you did a anonymous bind when you can do a bind with the principal name and the password set in the koha-conf.xml
10:00 gerundio anonymous bind is very common
10:00 gerundio in LDAP authentication
10:00 vfernandes yes I know
10:00 gerundio we use it in our faculty
10:01 gerundio and the way the LDAP auth was being done in Koha it didn't work
10:01 gerundio the way I coded the patch both ways should work
10:02 gerundio I don't recall the details of the implementation, a lot of water has passed under the bridge since I did it :D
10:04 vfernandes roger that :)
10:04 vfernandes i'll try to sign off the patch today
10:06 vfernandes because the modification that I've done in my koha it's almost the same thing
10:06 vfernandes the difference is that I done the first bind with principal name
10:06 gerundio ok
10:07 gerundio and I'm signing off your UNIMARC field 100 language patch
10:07 gerundio tested it yesterday
10:07 vfernandes nice :)
10:08 gerundio btw, you made it for Koha v3.10?
10:08 vfernandes i think it's very important to have those patches submitted soon as possible to master and to 3.8.9 and 3.10.3
10:08 vfernandes the bug is on every version of Koha
10:10 gerundio I know
10:10 gerundio I just found it weird to see the version assigned in the bug as being 3.10
10:11 vfernandes really? i will change that
10:11 gerundio btw, I made a patch to update the 100a field on all the existing records in the DB
10:11 gerundio I thought it could be useful to the community (it was for us)
10:12 vfernandes as patch you mean script right?
10:12 vfernandes yes I think is useful to correct the previous submitted records
10:12 gerundio script yes
10:13 vfernandes I think you should create a new bug and add the script as patch
10:14 gerundio ok
10:14 gerundio I'm looking at the sign-off on patches article in the wiki
10:15 gerundio I didn't use git to test it
10:15 gerundio I downloaded the diff files and applyed them by hand
10:15 gerundio with patch -p1 < patch.diff and so on
10:17 vfernandes I don't know how to sign off patches without git
10:17 gerundio kf, jcamins_away, magnuse is my test valide this way?
10:17 vfernandes LDAP auth worked fine gerundio
10:17 vfernandes :)
10:17 gerundio vfernandes, in what koha version did you develop your patches for bug 8347?
10:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
10:18 vfernandes last version...
10:19 vfernandes wait... I've tested in 3.8.6 and in master code
10:19 gerundio I'm using 3.8.5
10:19 vfernandes *and with master code (future 3.12)
10:19 gerundio and it worked fine too
10:19 vfernandes it should work in 3.8. too
10:20 vfernandes please sign off that patch... UNIMARC should be improved in Koha
10:20 vfernandes i will sign off your LDAP patch in a few minutes
10:25 gerundio signed off
10:25 wahanui well, signed off is the queue the QA team should watch
10:25 gerundio lets see what happens know
10:26 kf sorry gerundio was not really here
10:26 kf reading back now
10:27 gerundio np kf, thanks :)
10:30 kf hm
10:30 kf maybe not eon the bug the tests you did
10:30 kf you could download the patch and sign-off manually, but tell what you did
10:30 kf and then RM /QA can decide if another sign-off is needed
10:31 kf but we don't have a lot of people who can test ldap patches
10:31 kf so I think any test is good
10:31 vfernandes kf gerundio is testing my patch for bug 8347... i'm testing his patch for LDAP bug
10:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Koha forces UNIMARC 100 field code language to 'fre'
10:32 kf am ok
10:32 kf sorry, got confused
10:32 kf and I still might be :)
10:32 kf can you repeat the question you had?
10:32 vfernandes eheh
10:33 vfernandes he apply the patch by hand (not using git) and tested
10:33 vfernandes everything worked fine but he didn't know how to sign off the patch without git
10:34 vfernandes so he gone to the bug page, commented and signed off the patch
10:35 kf vfernandes: that was the ldap patch or soemthing else?
10:35 vfernandes bug 8347
10:38 gerundio kf, not LDAP
10:38 gerundio that's the one I patched and vfernandes tested and is about to sign off
10:39 kf sorry lots of phone calls today
10:45 vfernandes damn I forgot how to signed off using git.... git bz apply XXXX and then?
10:46 drojf test it ;)
10:46 vfernandes i've tested... but now I want to commit the signed off
10:46 kf still at phone
10:46 kf on phone
10:47 drojf vfernandes: git commit --amend -s (i think)
10:47 drojf and then attach it
10:48 drojf better look at the wiki, i dont have a git here
10:49 vfernandes git commit --amend
10:51 vfernandes that's it
10:51 vfernandes but now there is two patches
10:52 vfernandes can I put the first patch obsolete?
10:53 vfernandes gerundio - bug 7973 signed off
10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7973 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Allow for new type of LDAP authentication
10:54 gerundio vfernandes++
10:54 vfernandes gerundio++
10:56 gerundio weird thing happening... I'm trying to set up the zebra daemon on the new dev koha install
10:57 gerundio the koha-zebra-daemon settings such as KOHA_CONF, RUNDIR and LOCKDIR all have the correct values
10:58 gerundio poiting to the path where I have untared the koha package
10:58 gerundio but when I run start the daemon and check it via "ps aux | grep zebra"
10:58 gerundio the arguments on the daemon show the defaults production like environment settings
10:59 gerundio as KOHA_CONF was /etc/koha-conf.xml and so on
10:59 vfernandes looks like problems with system variables
11:00 vfernandes maybe the zebra was already runnig
11:00 gerundio that's just strange, because all the variables are set in the daemon itself in /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
11:01 gerundio I've stop and started it many times
11:01 vfernandes but when you stop the daemon the zebra proccess is closed?
11:01 kf crazy day here
11:02 gerundio yes
11:02 kf um
11:02 kf any questons unanswered?
11:02 gerundio and now it just doesn't start
11:02 gerundio let me check the logs to see if I find anything there
11:03 gerundio I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml"
11:04 gerundio kf maybe you can help with this one... any idea why I have a path set on KOHA_CONF in /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
11:04 gerundio but when I start the daemon he's looking for the file in /etc/koha-conf.xml
11:07 gerundio KOHA_CONF is correctly set in the environment variables too
11:07 gerundio for both root and koha users
11:25 kf hm
11:25 kf have you taken a look at the file?
11:25 kf I think there is a user/group noted in there
11:25 kf the daemon script
11:25 kf coudl that be a reason?
11:26 magnuse vfernandes: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Signing_off :-)
11:26 gerundio back... found the origin off the daemon issue I was experiencing: permissions
11:26 kf ah
11:27 kf makes sense :)
11:27 gerundio the koha user didn't have permissions to read the paths set on the configurations
11:27 gerundio it's always the most basic stuff that we miss :s
11:29 magnuse @marc 084
11:29 huginn magnuse: A classification number from a scheme not covered by one of the other number fields. The field should not be used for classification numbers assigned from a source for which a subfield $2 source of number code would not be assigned. (Repeatable) [a,b,2,6,8]
11:46 vfernandes magnuse thanks... i had already found it
12:05 slef cait_lunch: it's a random selection of old bugs
12:19 gerundio bug 9453 needs sign off
12:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Needs Signoff , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference
12:19 gerundio vfernandes take a look at it since it relates to you own bug
12:22 vfernandes as soon as possible :)
12:22 gerundio thanks
12:23 gerundio btw, I'm going to start using the plugins to generate barcodes and inventory numbers
12:23 gerundio I have a doubt concerning Koha to MARC mapping
12:24 gerundio barcode is already mapped to field 995f like we talked last week
12:25 vfernandes talking about plugins - a plugin for authorities field 100 in UNIMARC would be nice
12:25 vfernandes bug 8334
12:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8334 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Authority UNIMARC 100 field plugin
12:25 gerundio now I want to map the inventory number (stocknumber field in the items table) to 995j
12:27 gerundio without the map for the stocknumber the values are stored in the more_subfields_xml collumn in the items table
12:27 gerundio when I create the map, the value remains there until I update the record (I'm guessing this one)
12:28 gerundio on update the value is moved from the more_subfields_xml to the stocknumber collumn
12:28 gerundio I'm thinking that a script to perform this operation for mapped fields would be very handy
12:28 gerundio what's your opinion?
12:28 vfernandes there is a script for that
12:29 vfernandes when you change a mapping you need to run it
12:29 vfernandes I don't remember the name
12:29 gerundio nice, that'll save me a lot of work :D
12:29 vfernandes but it stats with rebuild
12:29 vfernandes *starts
12:30 gerundio regarding your plugin for authorities
12:30 gerundio I'm not the person for it... you mention "anyone with more UNIMARC knowlegdes than me"
12:30 gerundio I don't fit the description :D
12:30 gerundio I'll look for that rebuild something script
12:30 gerundio vfernandes++
12:31 gerundio off to lunch now
12:31 vfernandes batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl
12:31 vfernandes KOHA_HOME/bin/batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl -> that's the script you're looking for
13:17 cait_lunch slef: drojf was wondering when you sent them, he was waiting for a new list :)
13:17 oleonard Hi #koha
13:23 kf hi oleonard
13:23 kf does someone know a reason why the password change button would not be shown in koha 3.6.10?
13:23 kf looking at the code in git but I can't see a reason right now :(
13:23 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/members-toolbar.inc;h=91d179e60a4f1c69d5f630e9f395733bc345084c;hb=36431ed14abfac7c1af94f2e48dc4e37ef3c8f45
13:23 jcamins_away kf: changing the password is disabled by syspref?
13:23 kf in staff?
13:24 jcamins_away Hm.
13:24 jcamins_away Permissions?
13:24 jcamins_away I thought you meant OPAC.
13:24 kf it shows up when we activate superlibrarian for the staff member
13:24 kf but I have no superlibrarian and I can see it.
13:28 jcamins_away Maybe permissions?
13:28 jcamins_away (i.e. the "permissions" permission)
13:28 oleonard kf: I just checked out 3.6.x and tried it with a superlibrarian and non-superlibrarian and saw the password button either way
13:32 oleonard kf: Do they have permission to edit patrons?
13:34 kf oleonard: yep
13:34 kf I just found it
13:34 kf 3.6.10 has can_user_staffaccess
13:34 kf the file i was looking at earlier in git was the wrong one... apparently
13:35 kf so now the question is if they can really not see the button for all users or only not for staff users
13:36 oleonard what's all this about the RM getting a vacation? I don't think that's in the contract.
13:36 kf oleonard: I agree :)
13:37 kf maybe he smuggled in some bonuses
13:37 kf but it's cool
13:37 kf we can use the time to really fill up his queue
14:01 tcohen_ hi #koha
14:06 kf hi tcohen
14:08 slef kf: they're currently scheduled for every 6 days, but human-scheduled not cron.
14:08 tcohen_ its been a while kf, how have u been?
14:09 kf tcohen: I am fine - hoping the cold and darkness will go away soon
14:10 tcohen_ cold and darness?
14:10 kf darkness :)
14:10 kf we got snow and ice here
14:11 kf and can't wait for the days to get longer now :) tired of foggy winter in Konstanz
14:12 * tcohen_ is looking in gmaps
14:14 tcohen kf, now i understand!
14:14 kf big lake :)
14:25 rambutan @wunder 64507
14:25 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -9.4°C (8:23 AM CST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Falling).
14:26 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
14:26 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 32.0°C (11:00 AM ART on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
14:26 tcohen 41° difference!
14:27 rambutan 32.0°C = tropical paradise :)
14:27 magnuse nah, too hot! :-)
14:28 tcohen yeah, too hot. we have no sea here...
14:28 magnuse @wunder boo
14:28 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (2:50 PM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
14:34 rambutan http://www.zdnet.com/fedora-linux-considering-switching-out-mysql-for-mariadb-7000010156/
14:41 oleonard nengard: What is Bug 8266 about?
14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8266 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , remove location from pull down on search
14:41 nengard what about it?
14:41 nengard that's the bug i commented on ;)
14:41 nengard not the one that says that shelving location is broken
14:42 nengard i'm wondering if the shelving location being broken was closed ?
14:42 oleonard I don't understand your description of the problem
14:46 vfernandes gerundio: the patch for the script failed
14:47 kf tcohen: how are yu? sorry - such a busy day here today
14:47 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:47 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.7°C (3:45 PM CET on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
14:47 druthb @wunder 66046
14:47 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.2°C (8:45 AM CST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
14:48 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:48 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -10.6°C (9:21 AM EST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
14:49 oleonard druthb: Colder-than-Norway high five!
14:49 kf oleonard: ouch!
14:49 magnuse :-)
14:49 druthb I know, right? Life is not fair.
14:50 druthb @wunder 20852
14:50 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Twinbrook, Rockville, Maryland is -7.7°C (9:47 AM EST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
14:50 druthb I'd be no better off in DC, except that I don't get called "sir" there as much. And the food is better.
14:51 gerundio vfernandes, the script I submited for bug 9453?
14:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Needs Signoff , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference
14:52 vfernandes yes... the script works fine because I copied the code to a .pl in my installation and tested... but the patch didn't apply probably because I didn't added it with git
14:53 vfernandes if you want I can submit the script using git but the script will be on my name
14:54 kf vfernandes: I think there is a way how you could change the author line... ith git
14:54 kf only not quite sure how that worked
14:54 kf -a or something maybe
14:54 vfernandes ok... i will check it out
14:54 jcamins_away git commit --author="Whoever..."
14:54 kf ah right
14:55 kf "name <email>"?
14:55 jcamins_away Yup.
14:55 vfernandes where should i put the script?
14:55 vfernandes misc/maintenance?
14:56 gerundio vfernandes, I just added it as an attachment
14:57 vfernandes that's why the patch don't apply with git
14:57 gerundio go ahead, you can add it with your name
14:57 gerundio no harm comes to the world because of that
14:58 vfernandes jcamins and kf told me how to put your name
14:58 vfernandes :)
14:58 gerundio the most important thing is that it works, gets tested and becomes available for the community
14:58 oleonard Anyone have an opinion about whether the database structure change made by the patch on Bug 2969 is correct?
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports
14:58 magnuse gerundio++
14:58 vfernandes I tested and it worked
14:58 oleonard I can re-implement it for T:T if it looks right
15:02 vfernandes jcamins it didn't work... the patch was submitted with my name
15:02 jcamins_away I do that all the time.
15:03 jcamins_away Look in the man page. I must've gotten it slightly wrong.
15:04 vfernandes don't worry... gerundio told that isn't a problem to be in my name
15:05 vfernandes but can I signed off the patch even iwth my name?
15:06 jcamins_away Usually in this case we'd need both you and gerundio to sign off, you to confirm it's working, and gerundio to confirm that the script still works as it was supposed to.
15:08 vfernandes gerundio please test the new patch
15:11 gerundio I'm on it :)
15:12 gerundio give me just some minutes, I'm running the other script regarding the Koha to MARC mapping
15:16 alohabot Hi mib_y2nu66, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
15:18 mib_y2nu66 Good Morning
15:20 mib_y2nu66 We changed our koha installation suse enterprise to debian, due problem performance cpu in PERL
15:21 mib_y2nu66 however, the improvement was not as noticeable
15:22 jcamins_away Same hardware?
15:24 mib_y2nu66 yes sir
15:25 jcamins_away If you're seeing performance issues, and it's not the OS, since Koha works for other people with similar systems, the only thing left I can think of is your data.
15:25 jcamins_away or hardware
15:25 wahanui hardware is Dell PowerEdge T410
15:25 jcamins_away forget hardware
15:25 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot hardware
15:25 jcamins_away hardware?
15:25 jcamins_away Better.
15:25 jcamins_away I am inclined to doubt it is your data, because your description of your library sounded very normal.
15:26 jcamins_away 300k records, a few thousand users, right?
15:27 mib_y2nu66 6 perl process consume 15% cpu everyone in our tests
15:27 mib_y2nu66 hardware is vmware 4 GB RAM 2 cpus debian
15:28 jcamins_away I thought you upgraded to 8GB RAM?
15:28 mib_y2nu66 we lauched test with 10 simultaneous users with 10 borrows everyone
15:29 mib_y2nu66 no swapping with 4 GB
15:29 jcamins_away And when you had ten simultaneous users, there was a performance problem?
15:29 jcamins_away Or did you just observe that the CPU usage was high?
15:30 jcamins_away Because high CPU usage is not a problem.
15:30 mib_y2nu66 yes we had 10 simultaneous users
15:31 mib_y2nu66 in that moment there was a performance problem
15:32 mib_y2nu66 in this moment it is our load average: 8.37, 3.95, 5.12 top command
15:32 mib_y2nu66 with 10 users simultaneous
15:32 mib_y2nu66 is normal?
15:34 jcamins_away That seems higher than when I have benchmarked Koha.
15:35 jcamins_away Unless everyone clicked a link at exactly the same time.
15:35 jcamins_away In which case, yes, that's normal.
15:35 mib_y2nu66 yes that´s right
15:36 mib_y2nu66 we are using jmeter
15:36 mib_y2nu66 test tool
15:36 mib_y2nu66 they are doing borrows
15:36 jcamins_away Wait, so how do you know there is a performance problem?
15:37 jcamins_away Performance problem = system doesn't perform well enough for users.
15:37 magnuse doesn't really get where itemnumbers and barcodes fit into the concept of analytics... #marcmustdie
15:38 mib_y2nu66 because we see high cpu in command top
15:39 jcamins_away High CPU doesn't matter.
15:39 jcamins_away The CPU is there to be used!
15:39 mib_y2nu66 when we launched our tests
15:39 jcamins_away magnuse: it's so that you can have more than one "bib" connected to an item.
15:39 Dyrcona mib_y2nu66: High CPU isn't a problem, unless it is. Are your users complaining that transactions take too long to complete?
15:41 mib_y2nu66 when we doing search in opac take 7 seconds in give results
15:41 mib_y2nu66 until 10 seconds
15:42 vfernandes guys it's possible to change a message before sent it
15:42 vfernandes ?
15:42 jcamins_away vfernandes: in the message queue?
15:42 mib_y2nu66 this is our koha test link http://10.10.11.115/
15:42 vfernandes yes before being sent
15:42 jcamins_away vfernandes: not without going into the database and doing it manually.
15:43 vfernandes it's easy to change the content but the metadata will be incorrect
15:43 jcamins_away mib_y2nu66: _that_ is a problem.
15:44 magnuse jcamins_away: but when i do Edit > Link to host item (see bug 8595 for that :-) i'm asked to enter an item barcode, but the result is that the child record is linked to the parent *record* that that barcode "belongs to"...
15:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8595 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , link to 'host item' confusing
15:44 jcamins_away magnuse: right.
15:44 jcamins_away What else would it do?
15:45 jcamins_away The item record is contained in a bib record.
15:45 magnuse ask for a biblionumber - or let me search for a biblio. i think that would seem more logical to me...
15:45 magnuse but as long as it works...
15:45 jcamins_away Oh, you're thinking of the other analytics feature.
15:45 jcamins_away The "Link to host item" is for linking items.
15:45 magnuse huh?
15:46 jcamins_away (that's "easy analytics")
15:46 jcamins_away The other one ("enhanced analytics") is for linking two bib records without any items being involved.
15:46 magnuse ah!
15:46 * magnuse has missed something
15:47 jcamins_away So if you want to link records without involving any items, you want...
15:48 jcamins_away Actually, you can't link to a parent.
15:48 jcamins_away Only a child.
15:48 jcamins_away (using enhanced analytics)
15:48 magnuse ooh there's a video on the interwebs with some dude called Jared Camins-Esakov talking about this stuff...
15:48 magnuse http://archive.org/details/Kohacon12-AnalyticRecordsAndKoha
15:49 magnuse jcamins_away: do i have to change a syspref to use it? or do i just enter stuff into 773? or?
15:49 mib_y2nu66 with only one search opac-search consume 32% cpu use in top command
15:53 jcamins_away magnuse: to use which?
15:53 magnuse jcamins_away: "enhanced analytics"
15:53 jcamins_away Ah.
15:53 jcamins_away If you're just doing parent-child links, I don't think there's anything that needs turning on.
15:53 jcamins_away Just view the parent record, and go to New->Create child
15:54 gerundio jcamins_away, regarding bug 9453 what do I have to do to sign it off too? I've tested the patch submitted by vfernandes and it works as expected
15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Signed Off , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference
15:55 jcamins_away gerundio: but you don't have a git installation?
15:55 gerundio not using one at the moment
15:56 jcamins_away If not, you can simply update the bug saying "I applied this to my standard installation and can confirm it works properly."
15:56 jcamins_away Or something to that effect.
15:56 gerundio ok
15:57 magnuse jcamins_away: got it, i think! thanks!
15:57 gerundio done
15:57 gerundio jcamins_away++
15:58 gerundio I ran the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script after mapping items->stocknumber to MARC field 995j
15:59 gerundio the value remained in the items->more_subfields_xml and items->stocknumber didn't get populated
15:59 gerundio what's the expected behavior?
16:00 gerundio I've mentioned before that even though the field is 995j it gets stored in the more_subfields_xml as tag 999 field j
16:00 gerundio might that have anything to do with it?
16:00 jcamins_away gerundio: that sounds like a bug, yes.
16:01 gerundio vfernandes told me before that the fact that tag 995 field values get stored as 999 is normal in UNIMARC
16:01 gerundio right vfernandes?
16:07 kf jcamins_away: hm I think it is like that, although it odesn't make sense
16:07 kf same for marc21 and the more_subfields_xml
16:07 gerundio on the other hand, looking now at the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl source code
16:07 gerundio I think it only updates tables biblio and biblioitems
16:07 jcamins_away kf: weird.
16:07 kf gerundio: the thing is you haven't mapped it to a database column. the marc record should have it in the proper field and only in the db it shoudl appear in 999
16:07 kf jcamins_away: exactly.
16:08 gerundio kf, lost you there
16:08 gerundio I ran the script after performing the map
16:08 gerundio I mapped the tag 999 field j to items' stocknumber
16:09 gerundio and the ran the script
16:09 gerundio it's the right order, correct?
16:10 kf hm you shouldn't use 999 for mapping
16:10 kf use your normal item field
16:10 kf 952 or 995
16:10 wahanui 1019
16:10 gerundio sorry
16:10 kf depending on your marc flavour :)
16:10 gerundio I meant 995
16:10 jcamins_away 1 or 2
16:11 jcamins_away 8 or 16
16:11 kf ok
16:11 kf you map it
16:11 jcamins_away wahanui: 8 or 16
16:11 wahanui 24
16:11 kf then it shoudl work when adding new data
16:11 jcamins_away 7 or 6
16:11 gerundio right
16:11 kf but your problem is, that you want to move the data out of the marcxml?
16:11 jcamins_away wahanui: 7 or 6
16:11 wahanui 7
16:11 jcamins_away Interesting.
16:11 wahanui i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
16:11 gerundio yes, that's right kf
16:11 kf hmm
16:11 gerundio because I want to use the stocknumber generator plugin
16:12 kf I have never used the script
16:12 kf what I woudl probably do is use sql and do a complete reindex
16:12 gerundio which looks for the max stocknumber in the items table
16:12 kf I guess using a script is much better :)
16:12 gerundio if I don't have the 995 j data stored there it won't catch my latest stocknumber
16:12 kf i think the problem might be
16:12 gerundio script sounds much better yes
16:13 kf that the script might not cover item tables
16:13 kf or moving data around
16:13 kf because the item data is not in the marc
16:13 kf the script was bulit to allow you to remap bibliographic infrmation, but we removed the items from the xml
16:13 kf so they stand alone now
16:13 kf jcamins_away: does that make sense?
16:14 jcamins_away kf: it does, but that means that there needs to be a script for rebuilding the items table.
16:15 bag morning
16:15 gerundio jcamins_away, my thoughts exactly
16:15 gerundio since there's a feature to map items with marc
16:15 gerundio I can try to it
16:15 gerundio to ^ do ^ it
16:16 jcamins_away bag: how's the weather been recently?
16:16 gerundio should it remain as batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl or a new script?
16:16 bag begin of last week was cold - but lately nice and average
16:17 bag @weather 93101
16:17 huginn bag: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Santa Barbra CA US, Santa Barbara, California is -0.6°C (7:49 AM PST on January 23, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 6%. Dew Point: -34.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
16:17 jcamins_away gerundio: I think it would be good to add items to the batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl script.
16:17 bag hmm cold this morning I guess
16:17 jcamins_away That makes more sense to me.
16:17 jcamins_away Looks like the weather in Palm Desert is going to be high fifties to low seventies next week.
16:18 bag I was in palm desert this last weekend
16:18 jcamins_away How was the weather?
16:19 bag got upto 78 degrees in the afternoon :)
16:19 jcamins_away Not that the weather last weekend predicts what it will be like next week, but I figure it's just as good or better as a predictor than the forecasts.
16:19 jcamins_away Nice!
16:19 bag ah you are going there?
16:20 bag you should ride up the tram - that's pretty cool
16:20 jcamins_away Yeah, we're flying out Friday, and we'll be there until February 4.
16:22 jcamins_away bag: oooh, that looks neat!
16:23 jcamins_away You can go skiing... a shame I don't know how to.
16:24 jcamins_away Also snowshoeing.
16:24 oleonard jcamins_away: Try an eighties-movie-style ski-training montage, you'll be up to speed in no time
16:24 jcamins_away oleonard: lol
16:30 kf gerundio: maybe check if one of the other scripts is able to do it - I am mostly guessing here
16:33 gerundio kf: will do
16:49 Joubu good bye all o/
16:49 Joubu jcamins_away: Thanks for your quick reply on bug 8089. I will certainly sign it off tomorrow!
16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Use Koha::Cache everywhere
16:49 oleonard Bye Joubu
16:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #15 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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16:50 jenkins_koha nengard: update execute reports permission
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16:50 jenkins_koha nengard: update execute reports permission
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16:51 jenkins_koha nengard: update execute reports permission
17:11 oleonard jcamins_away: I'm reminded of the old joke where the patient says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this!" and the doctor replies "Don't do that."
17:12 jcamins_away Me too.
17:12 slef hrm?
17:13 oleonard slef: the list conversation about logging in as database user
17:15 slef oleonard: not got to that mailbox yet today. In general, logging in as the database user has rescued things many many times, but I try not to use it much. If the ability goes away, we'd need another rescue tool.
17:16 slef oleonard: of course, *we* could probably use a db UPDATE command, but do you really want to be expecting the sort of people who log in as database user to do that? ;-)
17:17 oleonard Don't worry slef we're not talking about it going away
17:17 * oleonard has been similarly rescued himself
17:17 jcamins_away slef: I think the database user should not be able to use anything other than core functionality.
17:17 jcamins_away Just hide the acquisitions, serials, tools., etc. modules.
17:18 kf jcamins_away: I like that idea
17:19 slef jcamins_away: in other words, userid 0 won't pass a test for superlibrarian any more, only some flags.
17:19 slef jcamins_away: if so, sounds good.
17:20 jcamins_away slef: right.
17:21 jcamins_away The idea being that the only things that the database user should be required for are related to patrons, catalogue, and cataloging (and maybe circ?).
17:21 jcamins_away However, I'm not implementing that, so it's just an idea.
17:32 gerundio bug 9453
17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9453 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, rolando.isidoro, Failed QA , Update records acording to the new UNIMARCField100Language system preference
17:32 gerundio Marked as Failed QA.
17:33 gerundio the reasons for failure are the issues pointed in lines 69 and 71 or is the fact that "the script has to display the help if it is called without parameter"?
17:33 rangi all of the above
17:34 oleonard Good morning rangi
17:34 rangi morning oleonard
17:35 gerundio rangi, that script was developed based on the existing one pointed to me by jcamins_away, touch_all_biblios.pl
17:35 rangi yup
17:36 rangi still needs to display the help, and not have perlcritic violations tho :) we don't want to introduce more technical debt
17:36 jcamins_away Yeah, a lot of the code in Koha is not actually very good. :(
17:38 vfernandes who is the best person to talk about developments for label and patron cards creators?
17:39 gerundio rangi, got it and will fix the issues ASAP
17:39 jcamins_away vfernandes: you mean you want to commission someone to do work on it?
17:39 jcamins_away I don't know.
17:41 vfernandes I have some "needings" like: change the barcodes scales (on the cards and the labels), introduce images for labels and break callnumbers on labels with other character than the omission (i think it's space)
17:41 rangi bug 8375
17:41 wahanui bug 8375 is surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work.
17:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, In Discussion , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
17:42 rangi vfernandes: the win is to ditch pdf ... its bad wrong and evil
17:42 rangi and to do it with html/css instead
17:43 rangi or we could beat a dead horse for another 5 years and move no where :)
17:43 rangi thats my opinion anyway
17:44 jcamins_away rangi: but do you know anyone interested in doing the work?
17:44 rangi not for free no
17:44 vfernandes rangi I understand that PDF is less flexible than HTML/CSS but except somethings PDF works fine for me
17:44 jcamins_away I meant for pay.
17:45 rangi we would, but not in trying to band aid the pdf stuff
17:45 jcamins_away vfernandes: there you go. rangi would be someone to talk to. :)
17:45 vfernandes I only thing that labels should work more like the patron cards
17:46 vfernandes in patron cards you can have different fonts, text spaces, images...
17:46 vfernandes in labels the layout is not that flexible
17:46 rangi they are fundamentally broken and work very badly for languages that include diacritics (and worse for non roman character sets)
17:47 rangi and that's not the fault of the koha code, thats just the way pdf are
17:48 vfernandes characters like ã, à, ç... are working
17:48 rangi not consistently across all systems they arent
17:49 rangi anyway the upshot is, i have no desire to do any work on the current labels system :)
17:50 vfernandes I need to make some changes but I don't know the better way to do it
17:50 rangi (built in pdf fonts only support latin-1 those diacritics are part of that)
17:51 vfernandes for exemple: barcode scales numbers can be system preferences and the default character to break the callnumber too
17:51 vfernandes I have labels images working in the labels but they are hardcoded... so there is the need of a interface to change that
17:57 * rangi wanders off for breakfast
17:57 reiveune bye
18:00 * magnuse waves to paul_p
18:00 * magnuse thinks there should be an optional way to force koha to put the biblionumber in 001
18:01 jcamins_away magnuse: I agree!
18:01 jcamins_away It drives me batty that there isn't.
18:01 magnuse yay
18:01 magnuse (for the agreement, not the ensuing battiness)
18:01 jcamins_away magnuse: maybe the battiness is why I'm rewriting search. :P
18:02 magnuse hehe
18:02 magnuse yay for the battiness too, then ;-)
18:04 gerundio rangi, what is the best way to test the script compliance against PBP?
18:05 jcamins_away perlcritic
18:05 wahanui perlcritic is a bastard……
18:05 jcamins_away lol
18:06 magnuse heh
18:07 gerundio my thoughts too
18:07 gerundio the bot got it right
18:08 gerundio I ran it against it perlcritic directly with a POST request on a terminal
18:08 gerundio I guess the severity is set too high
18:08 gerundio it outputs a truck load of warnings
18:08 gerundio how do you commonly use it?
18:09 magnuse gerundio: there is an official percriticrc file here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=t/perlcriticrc;h=69b3d7404054f0ac2babbe42e90f3f978defa4f4;hb=HEAD
18:09 magnuse s/percriticrc/perlcriticrc/
18:11 gerundio so how can I run my script against percritic with those set of rules defined for koha?
18:11 magnuse you can run "perlcriticrc --profile path/to/t/perlcriticrc"
18:12 magnuse see e.g. http://search.cpan.org/~thaljef/Perl-Critic-1.118/bin/perlcritic
18:12 magnuse or "perldoc perlcritic"
18:14 gerundio magnuse++
18:17 gerundio only 1 occurence now: "require" statement with library name as string at line 26, column 12. Use a bareword instead. (Severity: 5)
18:17 gerundio it refers to this line: eval { require "$FindBin::Bin/../kohalib.pl" };
18:17 jcamins_away You can ignore that.
18:17 gerundio ;)
18:18 jcamins_away That is an acceptable use of require.
18:19 gerundio enough work for today
18:19 gerundio see you guys tomorrow
18:24 magnuse have fun gerundio
18:26 magnuse hm, so the "show analytics" link is shown only if leader position 7 = "s"? that seems wrong...
18:27 jcamins_away You could also display it for LDR/07=c
18:27 vfernandes bye people... cya!
18:27 magnuse collection? yeah, that might make sense!
18:29 melia bugs.koha-community.org is not loading for me right now. is it just me?
18:30 jcamins_away Works for me.
18:30 melia oop there it goes. just slow I guess. thanks for checking. :)
19:08 * cait waves
19:09 rangi back
19:09 cait hey rangi
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19:11 cait hm bit early
19:12 cait it hasn't passed qa yet
19:25 libsysguy hey rangi you said Jenkens played nicely with selenium tests right?
19:26 rangi it can be made to, you need a server with jenkins all set up on it tho, and then configure that as a jenkins slave, you also need to make the build install/upgrade a working koha so that you have something to test against
19:27 libsysguy so you need to Jenkins servers?
19:28 rangi we already have 2, we need more
19:28 libsysguy I see
19:28 rangi selenium is a pig to run headless
19:29 libsysguy well I have started making modular tests for selenium to run on, so you can stack them to make whatever test you need
19:29 rangi thats the hardest bit, getting that going a server that can run selenium, then jenkins can use that as one of it's slaves
19:29 rangi course it needs a working koha to test against
19:29 libsysguy and I didn't know if I should commit them or put them somewhere else
19:29 jcamins_away You could have a koha-selenium-library on github.
19:29 jcamins_away Or git.bws.com. Or gitorious. Or wherever.
19:30 libsysguy so jcamins_away you think separate repo is the way to go
19:30 libsysguy I can handle that
19:31 jcamins_away Yes, because selenium tests are more likely to be regression tests that need to be run against many different versions.
19:32 libsysguy the other problem is cssr
19:32 libsysguy or ccsr
19:32 libsysguy or whatever
19:34 jcamins_away Toggle syspref, repeat tests.
19:34 libsysguy I think the ID's are different
19:35 libsysguy so you have to have different CCSR tests…unless you are just clicking, then it looks for link text
19:35 libsysguy but element verification could be challenging with an all in one test
19:35 jcamins_away The IDs are different only in the headers.
19:35 jcamins_away The actual pages are all just from prog.
19:36 libsysguy ah okay
19:37 jcamins_away Also, if it reaches the level of "features don't work," that makes it a bug.
19:38 libsysguy you want jenkins to submit bugs now too…geez he's a butler not a slave :p
19:38 jcamins_away No, I want _you_ to submit bugs. If there are bugs.
19:38 jcamins_away If the problem is that the test gives false failures, you should fix the test. :P
19:41 libsysguy haha gah I'm a programmer…you must have me confused with a QAA or something :p
19:42 rangi datadoctor: welcome committer 201 :)
19:43 datadoctor Thanks! We are hard at work on another contribution.
19:43 rangi excellent!
19:44 datadoctor It's a small thing, but the patron secondary phone number and "other" phone number fields swap when a new patron is created.
19:44 datadoctor Bug 9470
19:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9470 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Secondary and Other Phone Listings are reversed in patron record after creating
19:47 datadoctor It's very exciting to be part of this big, wonderful project.
19:47 wizzyrea :)
19:47 jatara Hi, all. Do we have any step-by-step documentation on inventory/stocktaking?
19:48 jcamins_away datadoctor++
19:48 magnuse datadoctor++
19:48 jatara datadoctor++
19:49 magnuse @karma datadoctor
19:49 huginn magnuse: Karma for "datadoctor" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
19:49 datadoctor I've got this jatara: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/inventory.html
19:49 * wizzyrea was just about to link that - but it's not terrifically step by step.
19:50 wizzyrea it may be all we've got though
19:50 datadoctor We are implementing a tablet - bluetooth scanner combo for inventory and shelf-scanning.
19:50 wizzyrea neat :)
19:51 jatara Thanks. all. Would love to learn more about the tablet-bluetooth scanner
19:55 datadoctor jatara - we liked the motorola cs3000 because of the low price and compact form factor and good reviews, but there are lots of choices
19:56 datadoctor Most tablets are bluetooth ready, but you would want to make sure the tablet has bluetooth capability.
19:57 datadoctor Then you will have to register your tablet on the network, so you have staff-side access to Koha.
19:57 wizzyrea I love the nexus 7 I have.
19:57 wizzyrea datadoctor: that really depends on how your network is set up
19:57 wizzyrea but that is certainly true in some cases
19:58 datadoctor "Individual configurations may vary." :D
19:59 jcamins_away I need a barcode scanner.
19:59 * magnuse would clean up all the uninitialized values etc in the tests, if he had the time...
19:59 datadoctor We are not up and running with that yet, but it's on our priority list for Reference Dept.
20:00 datadoctor We use Metrologic orbits at the checkout - the multiple scanning planes give you more angles you can scan at.
20:01 datadoctor Single plane scanners are OK if you are holding them, but multi-plane work a lot better on the desk, and scan better through plastic.
20:01 * jcamins_away was spoiled by working in libraries.
20:02 jcamins_away Now that I work from home, I don't really need a super-nice barcode scanner, because I rarely need it.
20:13 oleonard datadoctor: For future reference, you needn't mess with a bug's Priority setting because we don't really pay attention to it
20:14 wizzyrea I wonder if we should take it off
20:14 datadoctor Thanks oleonard! I read the documentation on it, and didn't know if it was necessary. I don't think this is mission critical, but on our system we send text messages
20:14 * magnuse bids #koha a good night or other time of the day
20:14 wizzyrea gnite magnuse
20:14 datadoctor to the secondary number, so the bug affects how our patrons are notified.
20:15 rangi cya magnuse
20:15 oleonard datadoctor: The trivial to blocker setting we look at. P5-P1 we don't.
20:17 datadoctor jcamins_away - Unitech makes some super-cheap scanners, datalogic slightly better and the metrologic voyagers are good and not too expensive. try to find one used if you are just using it for testing.
20:18 datadoctor We accidentally ordered our last scanner with a "powered" USB cord - it was a very weird plug: http://www.poweredusb.org/whatispusb.html
20:18 jcamins_away Very weird.
20:19 jcamins_away Did you manage to connect it to the computer?
20:20 trea kia ora
20:24 datadoctor I thought about using a USB extender, but to be on the safe side, I had the vendor swap the cable for regular USB.
20:26 datadoctor the odd thing is that the scanner works fine with regular USB power, no power cord required, so not sure why they shipped it with the weird cable...learned something new!
20:34 * chris_n wonders what's hard to understand about "it won't work... ever"?
20:35 wizzyrea :/
20:38 cait chris_n: I think it's good people won't accept that for an answer :)
20:38 wizzyrea well that is probably how all progress comes about
20:38 cait maybe point to the bug?
20:38 wizzyrea there must be a solution, we just don't know what it is yet.
20:38 cait wizzyrea: yep, that was what I was thinking :)
20:39 wizzyrea (and it's frustrating because the current solution won't work... ever)
20:41 cait oleonard is in a patch frenzy
20:42 oleonard I'm past the halfway point in my tablesorter massacre
20:42 jcamins_away oleonard++
20:43 jcamins_away wizzyrea: no, we know what the solution is.
20:43 cait oleonard+++
20:43 jcamins_away Use HTML + CSS
20:43 cait oleonard: do you think there is a chance something bootstrappy could be added to 3.12?
20:43 oleonard I still prefer the simplicity of the old tablesorter plugin for most things, but since it doesn't seem to be developed anymore...
20:43 cait like the more accessible menus?
20:43 jcamins_away What we don't know is where the funding for that development would come from.
20:44 oleonard cait: Now that the licensing issue is out of the way I don't see why not.
20:44 cait that would be quite awesome
20:44 oleonard Someone remind me of the 3.12 release date?
20:44 cait jcamins_away: see?
20:45 cait was telling jared tody he needs to remind people of the freeze dats
20:45 cait (including me)
20:45 wizzyrea jcamins_away: funding for what
20:45 wizzyrea for html + css instead of pdf or bootstrap
20:45 cait rewrite of lablemodule for css html I tihnk
20:45 cait label
20:45 cait gr. can't type
20:46 * wizzyrea has some additional styling work done on the bootstrap menus
20:46 cait wizzyrea: is there a chance you could ask your accessibility expert ot test it wiht a screenreader?
20:46 wizzyrea and our student, who is *technically* a design student with an interest in IT, has a real interest in doing more bootstrap work.
20:46 cait cool :)
20:47 wizzyrea cait: sure, we can ask him. I can tell you though that if you can successfully navigate through it, and the links have appropriate context and/or ARIA regions, that it will be fine.
20:47 wizzyrea successfully navigate through with a keyboard.
20:47 wizzyrea I mean
20:47 cait got you :)
20:48 oleonard So, uh... What are the 3.12 freeze dates?
20:48 oleonard What kind of menu styling wizzyrea?
20:48 jcamins_away wizzyrea: HTML + CSS
20:48 wizzyrea overriding the bootstrap CSS to make it look a bit more like it does now
20:49 wizzyrea instead of the steel grey of default bootstrap
20:49 oleonard wizzyrea: File a bug and post screenshots?
20:49 wizzyrea adding down carats to the dropdown
20:49 wizzyrea there is a bug
20:49 wizzyrea one sec
20:50 wizzyrea bug 9420 holds the original work of corey
20:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Work on Bootstrap for Koha
20:50 wizzyrea and I did some yesterday on it
20:50 wizzyrea but I haven't submitted it back
20:50 wizzyrea yet
20:53 oleonard Gawd I hate the suggestions management interface
20:54 rangi id be happy if 3.12 introduced no new features, just fixed things (like the search stuff) and all our UX issues
20:56 rangi and then 3.14 would be the opac release
20:56 * rangi dreams
20:56 * jcamins_away thinks that would be a great idea.
20:56 rangi if we stop adding retarded 'features' from legacy ils ... the world would be a nicer place
20:56 jcamins_away There are many bugs that could use fixing.
20:56 rangi *nod*
20:57 oleonard that'll never work, what with the 3.12 feature freeze coming up in only three weeks.
20:57 cait rangi: keen on bootstrap because of better accessibility
20:57 cait will take it in steel grey too :)
20:58 rangi oleonard: like i said, no new features
20:58 rangi fixing the UX isnt a feature its a bugfix
20:58 rangi i dont even see bootstrap as a new feature either
20:58 oleonard rangi: But with the 3.12 feature freeze four months away we have plenty of time for new features!
20:58 cait 3 weeks????
20:58 eythian hi
20:59 cait oleonard: now you really confused me
20:59 oleonard cait: I'm going to keep throwing out random timeframes until someone corrects me
20:59 rangi cait: i think he is trying to :-)
20:59 cait oh
20:59 cait good plan
20:59 rangi only jcamins_away knows the answer :)
20:59 jcamins_away March 22.
20:59 cait and it worked
21:00 jcamins_away The timeline is exactly the same as what it was when I announced the timeline prior to being elected.
21:00 cait that's right after the hackfest in marseille
21:00 cait so not a bad timing
21:00 * jcamins_away has been contemplating moving it a bit earlier, so the hackfest is post-feature freeze.
21:00 jcamins_away But as of right now, it remains March 22.
21:00 oleonard jcamins_away: So you don't get inundated at the last minute?
21:01 oleonard wahanui: Koha 3.12 feature freeze is 22 March 2013
21:01 wahanui OK, oleonard.
21:01 jcamins_away oleonard: that, and because there are a gazillion bugs that need fixing. What better use for developers than, oh, I don't know, fixing them? :P
21:01 jcamins_away Fixing the bugs, not the developers.
21:01 jcamins_away Developers have personality so fixing is unnecessary.
21:03 rangi i dunno
21:03 rangi that rangi guy is a dick
21:03 oleonard :P
21:03 trea heh
21:03 eythian wahanui: that rangi guy
21:03 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
21:04 eythian aww didn't work :)
21:04 rangi heh
21:06 cait feature freeze is march 22nd
21:06 cait shortening that a bit :)
21:06 cait feature freeze?
21:06 wahanui feature freeze is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.8
21:06 jcamins_away [off] I guess you haven't heard the joke about engineers' birth control?
21:06 cait wahanui: forget freature freeze
21:06 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching freature freeze
21:06 cait forget feature freeze
21:06 wahanui cait: I forgot feature freeze
21:07 cait feature freeze is march 22nd 2013
21:07 cait feature freeze?
21:07 wahanui somebody said feature freeze was march 22nd 2013
21:07 cait hah!
21:07 * jcamins_away leaves for good.
21:07 jcamins_away Have a good evening.
21:08 cait bye jcamins_away :)
21:13 oleonard why isn't there a roadmap to 3.12?
21:18 cait hm not sure
21:18 cait like what?
21:18 wahanui i guess like is done all the time in the Lua community
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21:18 wizzyrea forget like what
21:18 wahanui rumour has it like is done all the time in the Lua community
21:19 wizzyrea forget like
21:19 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot like
21:19 oleonard cait: Like the wiki page wahanui referenced above, for 3.8
21:20 cait guess because we never manage to stick to it
21:20 cait but actually that one doesn't look too bad
21:20 cait maybe we could run the rlease note scripts now and then
21:20 cait and put the feature list on a wiki page
21:22 oleonard I guess the information jcamins referenced above is here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Jcamins_Proposal_for_RM-3.12
21:22 oleonard ...although without specific dates.