Time Nick Message 00:33 kohum to get 3.10.1 when i put the url in sources.list should i just put "squeeze" and not "oldstable" 00:34 rangi thats right 00:34 rangi 3.10.2 will be out in a couple of days 00:35 kohum dang. i got to finish this tonight. 00:35 rangi its easy enough, you can just do apt-get upgrade when 3.10.2 comes out :) 00:36 kohum so "squeeze" will get 3.10.1, right? or should i use "oldstable" 00:36 kohum for now. 00:36 rangi oldstable will get you the latest 3.8.x release 00:37 rangi stable/squeeze gets you the latest 3.10.x release 00:37 kohum stable/squeeze it is. FYI i am wajasu, 00:40 * wizzyrea waves 00:43 kohum looks like http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/ has both squeeze and old stable point to Dec30th things. 00:48 rangi yep 00:49 rangi because 3.8.8 and 3.10.1 both came out december 22, and packages update december 30th 01:08 kohum can packages run both opac and staff client on one port these days?(i.e. 80) remember i was on 3.0 01:09 rangi you have always been able to 01:09 rangi since koha 1.0 01:09 kohum well i'll be 01:09 rangi just lots of people dont have control of their dns 01:10 rangi ports based is easier than name based virtualhosting if you don't know what you are doing :) 01:10 rangi hlt (the original Koha) has never run on anything other than 80 and 443 in the 12ish years they have been using it :) 01:13 kohum http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze#Old_Stable_Version is what i'm walking through 01:13 kohum INTRASUFFIX="-intra" must be the differentiator. 01:13 wizzyrea debian packages? 01:13 wahanui debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org 01:13 rangi packages? 01:13 wahanui i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 01:13 rangi that one 01:13 wizzyrea yes use that 01:14 wizzyrea man do we need to prune the wiki. 01:14 rangi yep 01:15 kohum but using 8080 might be worth it because the internet pipe is small. 01:18 jcamins_away kohum: huh? 01:19 eythian kohum: I don't think that makes sense 01:19 jcamins_away ^^ exactly 01:21 wizzyrea explain your reasoning 01:21 kohum if my staff use myhost.domain:8080 from within, the traffic won't go out to the internet router to the internethost.domain:80 01:21 wizzyrea please 01:21 kohum i had a sub 1MB pipe with folks sharing it. 01:21 jcamins_away That reasoning does not make sense. 01:23 jcamins_away Either you are using views, in which case you are not hitting the external interface, no matter what the port is, or you aren't, in which case you are hitting the external interface no matter what if you don't have different domains, or you have different domains anyway in which case the port doesn't matter. 01:23 jcamins_away And now it is time for dinner. 01:24 kohum it is time for dinner. 01:25 wizzyrea dinner and a question - regarding the user flags - I have a mostly done patch to fix up the wording in and around that 01:25 wizzyrea in the menu, it's "set permssions" 01:25 wizzyrea on the page it is "set privileges" 01:25 wizzyrea the button says "set flags" 01:25 wizzyrea which do we like best 01:25 rangi permissions 01:26 * wizzyrea is going to go with permissions until someone says otherwise 01:28 * wizzyrea goes a bit insane looking at the wording around some of those things 01:28 * wizzyrea mutters about "shoulda fixed that ages and ages ago" 01:29 wizzyrea but first... reading history export/report 01:29 wizzyrea then that. 01:29 wahanui then that is all you need 01:42 kohum after koha-create i will load my legacy koha 3.0 and remove all biblios. 01:42 kohum i wonder if/how i can configure ICU 01:44 jcamins_away I have never had problems with that, but other people have sworn it's impossible. 01:58 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/perceptions2012.pl 01:58 rangi some good gems in there 01:58 rangi koha -- independent tops satisfaction for academic libraries 02:00 rangi the fork is consistently at or close to the bottom 02:02 ibeardslee win 02:02 rangi yup 02:04 rangi Libraries that have implemented Koha independently reflect higher satisfaction than those that rely on commercial support arrangements. One might suppose that this reflects their enthusiasm toward open source and that they are essentially evaluating themselves rather than an external organization. ByWater Solutions continues to reap high praise from their support customers. Libraries using the versions of Koha supplied and supported by LibLime reflected 02:06 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/survey-2012-search.pl interesting too 02:06 rangi specially the comments 02:07 ibeardslee I also note that the system that is at Agent75's school is lower than Koha in the 'Product Satisfaction: All responces' 02:07 wizzyrea ^.^ 02:07 rangi :) 02:07 wizzyrea spyyyydussssss 02:09 ibeardslee speak of the devil 02:10 ibeardslee MrAgent075: just commenting on http://www.librarytechnology.org/perceptions2012.pl, comparing your school's system against Koha 02:10 * wizzyrea waves 02:11 MrAgent075 Hello xD 02:11 cjh MrAgent075: welcome! 02:12 wizzyrea welcome *back* 02:13 MrAgent075 Still haven't got that e-mail from Spydus yet... ;D 02:13 cjh heh 02:13 wizzyrea haha geez 02:14 jcamins_away I have a test failing. 02:14 jcamins_away I'm not sure why. 02:15 jcamins_away Oh, fixed it. 02:23 alohabot Hi mib_vczt1x, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 02:24 eythian @wunder nzwn 02:24 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 24.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on January 22, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 02:24 eythian 24 is a bit much really 02:24 * wizzyrea wants to go outside 02:25 * wizzyrea thinks 24 is the most perfectly perfect day she can possibly imagine 02:25 * MrAgent075 agrees. 02:26 jcamins_away @later tell mtj Could you please have alohabot tell mib_ers that it, wahanui, and huginn are bots? 02:26 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 02:27 wizzyrea hurried commit messages are so funny 02:28 wizzyrea "Bug 9382 - updating permission labels 02:28 wizzyrea To test: 02:28 wizzyrea do stuff. 02:28 wizzyrea " 02:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access. 02:28 wizzyrea oh that makes me laugh 02:28 cjh heh 02:28 wizzyrea (I did that, by the way) 02:30 eythian wizzyrea: the Kapai place on Cuba does good gelato shakes. I recommend them. 02:30 wizzyrea Ooooo 02:30 wizzyrea gelato shakes! 02:33 alohabot Hi mib_vczt1x, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 02:33 wizzyrea for the time being, what is the "best" or "most correct" way to do database updates? 02:34 wizzyrea I think I have it mostly sorted 02:34 wizzyrea I have the bit in updatedatabase 02:34 rangi yep 02:34 wizzyrea but I just don't know where to change version numbers and where not to 02:34 rangi you never change numbers 02:34 rangi just make it XXX 02:35 rangi and never touch kohaversion.pl 02:35 wizzyrea hm ok I did that but my update never went. I'll try it again (it was late in the day when I last tried it) 02:35 jcamins_away Unless you are talking about as RMaint. 02:36 MrAgent075 wizzyrea: Bug 9382? Completely Trivial.. xD 02:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access. 02:36 wizzyrea :) 02:36 wizzyrea well, actually 02:36 rangi just hit the update url manually, it wont trigger unless you mess with the version numbers, and you dont want to do that 02:37 wizzyrea the omnibus that my patch is going to end up being is less trivial. 02:37 rangi or run koha-update-schema if you use packages 02:37 wizzyrea ohhhhh I forgot about that 02:37 wizzyrea see this is why I ask. 02:37 wizzyrea ^.^ 02:37 wizzyrea thanks :) 02:43 jcamins_away [off] http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/ 02:43 jcamins_away ^^ new syspref caching. 02:44 mtj ^^ hi jcamins_away, alohabot fixed :) 02:44 jcamins_away Thanks! 02:44 jcamins_away Wait, no, just kidding. 02:45 jcamins_away There we go. 02:45 jcamins_away Now it has new caching. 02:46 jcamins_away It's too inefficient, though. 02:46 * jcamins_away will work on that. 02:46 mtj haay, whats specifically being cached? 02:46 jcamins_away Sysprefs. 02:46 wahanui sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage 02:47 jcamins_away How do I use NYTProf with Plack... 02:47 mtj aah ok, using memcached - or other? 02:47 jcamins_away Got it. 02:47 jcamins_away I don't remember, actually. 02:47 jcamins_away I'll check. 02:47 mtj :p 02:48 jcamins_away fastmmap. 02:48 jcamins_away Hold on while I mess with NYTProf. 02:48 mtj oooh, thats a new one 02:48 mtj np, bork away... 02:49 jcamins_away I see. 02:50 jcamins_away expunge is wrong. 02:54 jcamins_away purge, rather. 02:54 jcamins_away Okay, so, problem with fastmmap. 02:54 jcamins_away It's inefficient because it resorts the cache twice. 02:55 jcamins_away memcached does not have this flaw. 02:55 jcamins_away Naturally. 03:03 mtj hmm, weird behaviour - the doco doesnt mention Cache::FastMmap doing any sorting 03:04 jcamins_away Of course it does. 03:04 jcamins_away It's a hash. 03:09 mtj i always thought hashes were not sorted - by default, in perl 03:10 cjh afaik the keys are not guranteed to come out in any kind of order. 03:10 eythian hashes aren't sorted in a predictable fashion 03:10 mtj 'The keys of a hash are returned in an apparently random order.' -> http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/keys.html 03:11 eythian but they are still ordered 03:11 eythian just not an order useful for you 03:12 mtj 'Since Perl 5.8.1 the ordering can be different even between different runs of Perl for security reasons ' 03:13 jcamins_away hashes are sorted by definition. 03:13 jcamins_away That's what makes them useful. 03:14 eythian I don't think I'd call them sorted. 03:14 eythian Their sort order isn't useful for anything except themselves. 03:14 jcamins_away eythian: sure they are. 03:14 jcamins_away They're sorted into a heap. 03:15 jcamins_away It may be there's a better term for that. 03:15 eythian uhm 03:15 eythian they're in the heap in the sense that heap is used for memory storage in general 03:16 jcamins_away They don't use b-tree heaps? 03:17 eythian For collision resolution? 03:17 cjh if you take the hash of the key and sort them, the order is not necessarily the same as the order you would get by sorting the keys. 03:18 eythian they might use trees internally, but trees aren't ideal except in not so common cases. 03:19 cjh I was guessing it would be a hash-based offset into an array, possibly with variable hash length or something else more fun. 03:19 jcamins_away Hm. 03:19 jcamins_away In that case, Cache::FastMmap is not using a hash. 03:20 eythian Perl hashs are an array pointing to linked list, according to the source code. 03:20 * jcamins_away is having his first look into xs code. 03:20 jcamins_away It's painful. 03:20 eythian I don't think I've had to do that before. 03:20 eythian I'm OK with that. 03:20 jcamins_away lol 03:21 jcamins_away Understandably. 03:21 cjh the perl source is still downloading for me :( 03:21 jcamins_away My favorite is the way they decided not to have any comprehensible variable names. 03:21 eythian cjh: all you need is hv.c 03:21 jcamins_away Because 'sv' 'pv' 'mu' 'pl' and 'hv' make oh so much sense. 03:22 cjh eythian: where are you looking at it though? 03:22 eythian http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/NWCLARK/perl-5.8.8/hv.c 03:22 jcamins_away I think that's scalar value, pointer value, [no idea], [perl?], and hash value. 03:23 eythian jcamins_away: mu is undefined. 03:23 eythian http://doc.perl6.org/type/Mu <-- the most undefined value in perl 6, in fact :) 03:23 cjh hahaha 03:24 jcamins_away Okay, expiration *should* work. 03:24 jcamins_away According to the code. 03:25 jcamins_away I only had to go through five files until I found where it checked expiration. 03:35 jcamins_away Hm. 03:35 jcamins_away It should work. 03:35 jcamins_away Really. 03:43 eythian http://i.imgur.com/opNnoOx.gif <-- creepy 03:43 wizzyrea brains are awesome 03:44 eythian go well with truffles 03:47 mtj has anyone spotted the 2012 'churn' stats on libwebcats? 03:48 rangi the turnover yep 03:48 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover-reverse.pl?Year=2012 03:48 rangi that one? 03:48 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover-reverse.pl?Year=2013 <-- its pretty much realtime 03:49 wizzyrea wait no one left bywater last year? 03:49 wizzyrea hot diggity. 03:49 mtj perfect, thanks chris 03:50 rangi mtj: you saw the perceptions write up eh? 03:52 jcamins_away Oh, for crying out loud! 03:52 jcamins_away I figured out the problem. 03:52 mtj rangi, yeah - i just read them :) 03:52 jcamins_away If you are depending on your code to take at least one second to run and then use a faster cache... 03:53 jcamins_away all the tests go to hell. 03:59 jcamins_away Add one second to your sleep statements, and everything works beautifully. 03:59 eythian heh 03:59 rangi heh 04:01 jcamins_away Hm. 04:01 jcamins_away NYTProf under Plack does not like git installs. 04:34 jcamins_away This is weird. perlcritic is complaining that I don't unpack @_ first, and I do. 04:34 jcamins_away Oh! 04:34 jcamins_away I see. 04:36 jcamins_away I'm down to just one complaint: http://paste.koha-community.org/363 04:42 jcamins_away mtj: (or anyone else) BTW, if you're curious: http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/cachetie 04:42 * jcamins_away goes to bed. 04:44 mtj nice!, i'll take a proper look in a bit... 04:44 mtj jcamins++ 06:42 * magnuse waves 07:22 cait morning #koha 07:29 reiveune hello 07:34 magnuse hiya cait and reiveune et al 07:34 reiveune hi everybody 07:35 magnuse looks like paul_p was having a good time at a conference yesterday? :-) 07:41 alex_a bonjour 07:41 wahanui hello, alex_a 08:48 alohabot Hi mib_n3b4bq, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 08:48 mib_n3b4bq hii 08:49 mib_n3b4bq need some help about zebra reindexing 08:50 mib_n3b4bq installed centos 6.2-32 bits and koha 3.8 and zebra 2.0 08:51 mib_n3b4bq zebra reindexing is not working 08:51 mib_n3b4bq with manual and also with cron 08:52 mib_n3b4bq full indexing is working with -r option 08:55 mib_n3b4bq any help ? what is to be check 09:08 govind hello 09:09 govind how to install koha on ubuntu 12.04 09:18 kf packages? 09:18 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 09:18 kf govind: see link :) 11:45 vfernandes good morning all :) 11:47 kf hi vfernandes 11:47 vfernandes it's today that I will finish the 3.10 translations to portuguese :D 99% 11:47 kf yay! 11:48 vfernandes right in time to the release of 3.10 new subversion 11:48 kf :) 11:57 drojf hi #koha 11:58 kf hi drojf 11:58 drojf hi kf :) 11:58 kf :) 12:01 gerundio hey drojf 12:01 drojf hi gerundio 12:02 drojf ugh. somebody in the library keeps sneezing and sneezing 12:34 kf drojf: distracting? :) 12:38 magnuse or contagious... 12:39 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @Tredok: "Ouah ! Cette annonce de migration sous #Kohails de 1 112 bib Turques est impressionnante ! Quelle pub ! ^^" 12:44 drojf lol 12:44 drojf it stopped 12:44 drojf or he left 12:44 drojf some people started to laugh 12:44 drojf so i had sneezing from one side and laughing from the other :D 12:45 jcamins_away drojf: both distracting and contagious! 12:46 drojf i think i should enable ICU. i wish we had a google group to teach me how 12:47 jcamins_away Hehe. 12:49 vfernandes 3.10 fully translated to portuguese :D 12:50 vfernandes OMG i have almost 30K commits... 12:55 kf drojf: maybe you should have your own google group 12:57 drojf oh. that might be the solution to all my problems 12:58 drojf or was that alcohol? :D 12:59 drojf i think a wise man once said "to alcohol, the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" 13:04 kf drojf: as long as its gluten free... 13:05 drojf booze usually is ;) 13:05 drojf i miss beer :( 13:06 kf there once will be drinkable gluten free beer 13:06 drojf when are the old bugs coming? 13:06 kf hm not sure 13:06 kf are all the old old bugs there? 13:06 kf slef slef slef *summon* 13:07 drojf i don't really think i'd have time for that today but just in case i get bored with paid work… ;) 13:08 kf you could go on and fix someof the old bugs if you get bored ;) 13:08 drojf i would probably look at bug 4888 again 13:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4888 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, salva, Patch doesn't apply , pre-set of field indicators value 13:08 drojf i'd like to resurrect it 13:10 kf sounds like a ogod iea 13:10 kf hm with less typos 13:10 drojf lol 13:11 drojf how is the "icu_chain locale" used? is it used at all. i think it cannot be empty, but apart from that? 13:11 jcamins_away I do not believe it has any impact. 13:11 drojf "is it used at all?" is supposed to be a question 13:11 kf i think jcamins_away did some tests 13:11 kf ah 13:11 kf there he is 13:11 drojf ok, thanks 13:12 vkm Z39.50 is not working 3.8.8, i am using over the intranet so pls let me know the problem or need any additional setting 13:12 jcamins_away vkm: what isn't working? 13:13 vkm it does not search documents always says, nothing found and connection time out 13:13 jcamins_away What hosts are you using? 13:13 vkm 80 for opac and 8080 for staff 13:14 jcamins_away What Z39.50 hosts are you using? 13:15 jcamins_away What Z39.50 hosts are you using? 13:15 vkm1 i am using host 80 for opac and 8080 for staff, but z3950 is not fetching any result 13:16 jcamins_away I don't know what that means. 13:16 drojf is word-phrase-utf.chr completely unneccessary/ unneeded with ICU? or do i have to turn all the things in there into some magic words-icu.xml format? 13:16 jcamins_away You just told me the port numbers you are using for your OPAC and staff client. 13:16 jcamins_away That has nothing to do with Z39.50. 13:16 jcamins_away drojf: that is correct. word-phrase-utf.chr is not used by ICU. 13:17 jcamins_away vkm1: when you say "Z39.50" does not work, what does that mean? 13:17 vkm2 i am using 80 for opac and 8080 for staff 13:19 jcamins_away vkm3: I know that, and but what does that have to do with Z39.50? 13:19 vkm3 it says no data found in LOC etc 13:19 vkm3 means data is available on loc but why it does not fething 13:20 vkm3 it always never fetch for data 13:20 jcamins_away Okay. 13:20 jcamins_away What _hosts_ are you searching? 13:20 jcamins_away LOC? 13:20 jcamins_away Somewhere else? 13:24 vkm3 loc host is z3950.loc.gov and port is 7090, mine port for staff access is 8080 13:25 jcamins_away I don't need to know what port you are using. What boxes are you checking when searching Z39.50? 13:25 jcamins_away LOC? 13:25 jcamins_away Something else? 13:25 jcamins_away vkm3: based on how many times you've been disconnected in the last few minutes, the most likely problem is that your internet connection is not stable enough for Z39.50. 13:26 jcamins_away It could also be that your firewall is not allowing the connection to port 7090. 13:26 vkm3 you may be right, our internet is having so many public IP which always changes during the browsing 13:27 jcamins_away Z39.50 cannot handle that. 13:29 vkm3 i am checking all three boxes for three z39 server and feeding nanotechnology in tile only 13:30 jcamins_away Which three boxes are they? 13:30 vkm3 even searching in LOC only it gives same result, nothing found and connection time out 13:30 jcamins_away So there are two possibilities: 1) your Internet connection, and 2) there is a firewall blocking that port. 13:30 jcamins_away Or those ports. 13:31 jcamins_away There's nothing you can do from Koha to address either of those issues. 13:31 vkm3 columbia, smithsonian and LOC 13:31 jcamins_away Okay, I use all of those regularly and they work, so it's not a problem with the servers. 13:31 jcamins_away Sorry- I wish I had better news for you. 13:36 vkm3 so should i contact to our computer center or i can enable firwall from koha server 13:37 jcamins_away You'll have to contact your computer center. 13:41 vkm3 ok, one more thing my hold limit is always picking limit from system preference setup not from circulation previleges 14:04 nengard hey all, anyone know what table the log of notices sent to patrons is kept in (the Notices tab on the patron's record shows these) 14:06 druthb the message_queue. 14:06 wahanui the message_queue is good for reporting 14:06 * druthb pokes wahanui with her pointy stick 14:07 nengard thanks 14:09 druthb kf: Got your permissions error cleared up. 14:10 vkm3 is it possible to restrict purchase sugession users category wise? 14:11 vkm3 i.e only perticular category can place purchase sugession 14:12 druthb vkm3: Not currently, no...it's either on for everyone, or off for everyone. 14:14 kf druthb: thx 14:20 gerundio vfernandes, are you around? 14:24 gerundio guys, I'm trying to signoff a patch 14:24 gerundio can I do it on a production like installation? 14:25 gerundio I finished installing a pre-production/development koha instance 14:26 gerundio in order for it to be as similar as the production setup as possible I chose to install in /usr/share/koha with and /etc/koha 14:27 gerundio and not the option for a development environment where the source package directory would be used 14:27 gerundio so now I guess I can apply patches directly as stated in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches, right? 14:28 kf gerundio: not sure I am following you 14:29 gerundio there are 2 flavours of koha setups, right? 14:29 kf but I think you can't apply patches to an installation done as standard 14:29 kf in opposite to dev 14:29 kf because the file paths will be wron 14:29 kf g 14:29 gerundio exactly 14:30 gerundio after unpacking the source tar.gz the directory structure is "all at the same level" so to speak 14:30 gerundio which match the patches' paths 14:31 gerundio so the next question that comes to mind is, what is the right way to apply a patch on a production environment? 14:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Diacritics gone wrong http://t.co/Q51mNEnu #kohails" 14:33 mtj gerundio, the short answer is … there isnt :/ 14:34 kf gerundio: production environments are ot dev environments... supposed to run stable code 14:34 mtj (… its one on my big peeves with koha currently) 14:34 kf gerundio: I think what others do is building their own packages 14:35 kf gerundio: you apply the patch to a dev installation, you bilt no packages and deploy them to your production system 14:35 kf hope I explained that right :) 14:35 gerundio you did 14:36 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way 14:36 gerundio just not sure how the patch package building works 14:36 gerundio and magnuse for the saving :D 14:36 drojf grr 14:37 kf he beat drojf to it 14:37 drojf ? 14:37 kf ah, you were referring to your wobbly internet connection... never mind .) 14:37 kf gerundio: I have done it to test package related patches, it seems to work 14:38 drojf works for me 14:39 drojf do i have to reindex after adding 880 linking fields? 14:39 magnuse gah! #marcmustdie! 14:39 gerundio btw, the only difference between the dev environment and the production one is the location of the files? 14:40 magnuse bibsys uses subfield 700$ø for something, and now i have <subfield code="�">trois mousquetaires</subfield> in my marc blobs... 14:40 gerundio after this talk I'm thinking of setting up a proper dev installation to test patches and such 14:40 drojf 700$ø ? 14:40 drojf lol 14:40 kf 880 is not indexed by default :( 14:40 magnuse gerundio: sounds like an excellent idea ;-) 14:40 kf magnuse: it might be valid, check marc documentation :P 14:40 magnuse drojf: no lol, just sob... 14:40 kf magnuse: inf act I think you can use some weird things there 14:41 drojf kf: what? as in, you have to add the index to zebra? 14:41 magnuse kf: well, it seems koha (or probably zebra) does not like it... 14:41 drojf i don't remember doing that 14:41 gerundio if I use a clone DB from the production I'll be able to have a pre-production like environment, right? 14:41 kf drojf: exactly as in that 14:41 drojf magnuse: isn't that an encoding problem and not marc's fault (this time)? 14:42 drojf kf: meh 14:42 kf drojf: I had hoped it would be part of the dom indexing 14:42 kf drojf: but I think there was no time to include it 14:42 drojf make it! make it now! 14:42 drojf :( 14:42 gerundio kf++ magnuse++ mtj++ drojf++ 14:42 kf drojf: dom would make it really interesting because then you coudl split 880 and assign them to the proper indexes (author, title... ) 14:42 magnuse drojf: it's all MARC's fault in my eyes ;-) 14:43 drojf magnuse: you are probably right :D 14:46 drojf omg the sneezing starts again 14:47 magnuse and i wouldn't mind 700$ø if it wasn't for the fact that records that contains that field gives an ugly "utf8 "\xC3" does not map to Unicode at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/Encode.pm line 174." when you do a search that turns up one of them 15:03 drojf @&!))(=?!§$ 15:03 huginn drojf: I've exhausted my database of quotes 15:04 kf magnuse: ouch. 15:09 magnuse and yes, emptying some 700$ø fields made that error go away 15:23 vfernandes need help: configure Z39.50 for Koha? 15:24 vfernandes I want to "expose" my record via Z39.50... there is any wiki to do that? 15:26 drojf vfernandes: you have to edit koha-conf.xml, i think there are comments with explanations 15:27 vfernandes but I have to install something? 15:28 drojf z39.50 server is done by zebra, so i think no 15:29 kf vfernandes: no additional installation needed (I have tested it sometime ago, works nicely :) ) 15:30 drojf icu seems to work. which is not that useful without 880 of course :/ 15:31 vfernandes in which version? 15:31 wahanui in which version is, like, it possible 15:31 drojf vfernandes: i don't understand your question 15:32 gerundio just finished some operations regarding the setup of the dev environment 15:32 vfernandes works on 3.2 for example? 15:32 gerundio 1st access to the web installer and I get this error: 15:32 gerundio Template process failed: file error - /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/installer/auth.tt: not found at (...)/C4/Templates.pm line 127. 15:32 drojf 3.2 is really old so i have no idea. but my guess is that it does not make a difference how old koha is but what version of zebra you use 15:33 vfernandes zebra is the last version 15:34 gerundio any idea what's the origin of this error? 15:35 drojf vfernandes: have you looked at koha-conf.xml? if it has a part about z39.50 i guess you are good to go 15:36 drojf gerundio: if you have set it up with git then you have to change some paths. because your koha should not be uin /usr/share/koha 15:37 gerundio I used a tar.gz not git 15:37 gerundio I'm looking at the koha-conf.xml and all paths seem fine 15:37 drojf ok that is different. and i don't know about your error 15:38 gerundio neither does google for that matter :D 15:40 drojf did you get a tar.gz of master? maybe it's broken at the moment? 15:40 kf could be broken templates 15:40 kf old translation file 15:41 kf gerundio: are you looking at 'not english'? 15:41 gerundio don't have any additional language set 15:41 kf and there is none installed? 15:41 kf in hte system? 15:41 gerundio kf, it's a clean install 15:42 gerundio drojf, not tar.gz from the master... got the one for koha-3.08.05 15:44 gerundio kf, your a saviour 15:44 drojf what did you mean by dev then? 15:44 gerundio memcached from the previous installation :D 15:44 gerundio kf++ 15:45 kf gerundio: I didn't tell you memcache, all your own idea .) 15:45 drojf (16:30:11) gerundio: just finished some operations regarding the setup of the dev environment 15:45 drojf i thought you are talking about a koha dev version 15:45 gerundio I know, but the hints about a previous installation did the trick 15:46 gerundio drojf, dev as in a environment with the same version I currently have in production 15:46 gerundio but installed with the dev option 15:46 gerundio so I test patches and create the packages 15:48 gerundio just not the standard definition for dev you have in mind I guess :) 15:48 oleonard Hi #koha 15:49 drojf hi oleonard 15:51 SJeffery Can anyone explain why in the frameworks editor there would be no subfields in the 008 field even in the default framework (though they appear in the cataloging module)? What is the solution, add them in manually to have them recognized? 15:51 druthb Fields below 010 do not have subfields, in the MARC standard. 15:52 SJeffery So how do I edit the defaults for "fixed length data elements - general information"? 15:53 kf SJeffery: you can't 15:54 kf SJeffery: well you can, but you have to give a default for the whole field and the plugins may not play nicely 15:55 SJeffery Well that is certainly odd:) 15:55 druthb In the MARC Framework Editor, it shows a subfield "@", which is the whole field...you could give it a default there, but see kf's note there. 15:55 kf SJeffery: the subfield you can do that for is @ because it is no subfield structure in the field 15:56 SJeffery I am going to chalk this one up to "features of Koha that were (oddly) never developed" 16:00 reiveune bye 16:35 sturmtruppen hi everyone. when i click on "Mark bibliographic framework test" i get "invalid authority types". I do nothing after Debian installation by packages 16:41 sturmtruppen no idea? 16:51 sturmtruppen ok, how can i add a library? 16:52 sturmtruppen sorry, wrong idea... add a z3950 server... 16:54 sturmtruppen find it, no need answer 17:07 chris_n [off] ouch... http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/nz-eradicate-pet-cats-purr-ish-thought-18281918 17:12 jcamins_away I set defaults for 008 all the time. 17:12 jcamins_away I have had zero problems with it. 17:34 gerundio chris_n, I've heard you're the person to talk to in terms of labels... did I heard correctly? :) 17:38 oleonard gerundio: chris_n did most of the original work, but as far as I know isn't continuing development of the feature. 17:39 gerundio ok oleonard 17:39 wahanui i guess oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! 17:39 gerundio any idea who I might talk to regarding this feature? 17:40 jcamins_away chris_n is the closest you're going to find to an expert. 17:41 jcamins_away He's pretty expert. 17:41 libsysguy pro 17:41 oleonard gerundio: I said what I said in case you were going to ask "Could you make it do this...?" :) 17:42 gerundio not really 17:43 gerundio I'm having troubles with label printing 17:43 rambutan oleonard et al: I have this note in my notes: " add autocomplete="off" to borrowernumbers and barcode forms". It's not clear to me now what I meant then. Can anybody decypher that? 17:43 gerundio I'm getting empty XML and CSV files when I export 17:43 gerundio and just a blurry PDF 17:44 oleonard rambutan: We add that attribute to input fields which receive book or patron barcodes 17:44 gerundio I wasn't able to find any info on that subject 17:44 gerundio and someone pointed me to chris_n 17:45 rambutan so is that a syspref or setting somewhere? 17:45 oleonard rambutan: It's a template authoring practice/guideline. 18:06 chris_n heya gerundio 18:06 wahanui gerundio are you moving principal_name to auth_by_dn_bind 18:07 gerundio wahanui, ?!? in that LDAP bug ticket? 18:07 wahanui gerundio: bugger all, i dunno 18:07 gerundio hey chris_n, read up if you can 18:08 gerundio wahanui, look at bug 7973 18:08 wahanui gerundio: huh? 18:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7973 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Allow for new type of LDAP authentication 18:08 chris_n gerundio: well, besides learning that I'm an expert, I also learned you are having label issues 18:08 gerundio that's right 18:08 wahanui no it's not. 18:08 chris_n what do you mean by "blurry PDF"? 18:09 * chris_n tells wahanui to put a cap on it or a plug in it 18:09 * gerundio has been caught me off guard by the bot 18:09 gerundio instead of a well defined barcode I get a blurry one 18:09 chris_n the bot is good at doing that 18:10 gerundio with no barcode other info on it 18:10 chris_n strange 18:10 chris_n what version of koha are you using? 18:10 chris_n we're using the latest stable release without issues 18:10 gerundio 3.8.5 18:11 gerundio the weirdest part, as I've been told, is that the feature works as expected for imported records 18:11 chris_n I'm not aware of any issues in 3.8.x 18:11 gerundio but for the new catalogued items it doesn't 18:11 chris_n so its just locally created records which manifest the problem 18:12 gerundio yeah, I've looked for any reference and didn't found any either 18:12 gerundio yes 18:12 chris_n strange indeed 18:12 chris_n any chance you can send along some of the "broken" records in marc format for me to look at? 18:12 gerundio let me see if I can put an example somewhere for you to look at 18:12 chris_n ok 18:13 * chris_n wonders if jacamins_away noticed the plot against cats in nz? 18:13 chris_n jcamins_away rather 18:14 gerundio does it help if I give you URLs in my OPAC for 1 record that works and 1 that doesn't? 18:14 chris_n we can see 18:14 jcamins_away chris_n: I did not. There's a plot against cats in NZ?!? 18:15 chris_n <chris_n> [off] ouch... http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/nz-eradicate-pet-cats-purr-ish-thought-18281918 18:15 gerundio chris_n, working: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=32210 not working: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=60855 18:15 jcamins_away Wow. 18:15 * chris_n looks 18:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Quote from today's #kohails demo: "I have gotten more info from you in the last 90 min than I have in years of working with other vendors"" 18:16 chris_n jcamins_away: I'm sure we can depend on rangi and wizzyrea to put a stop to it 18:17 gerundio [off] what's the relation between the cats and the guys' idea to "save the nation's unique native birds" 18:17 gerundio ?? 18:18 jcamins_away gerundio: the cats are eating the birds. 18:18 gerundio home owned cats? 18:18 jcamins_away Apparently. 18:18 * jcamins_away has an indoor cat. 18:18 gerundio so people are feeding those birds to their cats? 18:19 jcamins_away We should ask rangi and wizzyrea why they're letting their cats out to eat birds. ;) 18:20 gerundio jcamins_away, are you giving tweety to your sylvester? 18:20 jcamins_away gerundio: hehe. 18:20 * jcamins_away would, if it weren't for the fact that the battle would get feathers everywhere. 18:20 jcamins_away We're both very allergic to feathers. 18:20 jcamins_away :P 18:20 gerundio call me crazy, but lets say ppl don't get a replacement cat like he's saying 18:21 gerundio what's the probability for a stray cat to eat a bird VS a home cat of doing it? 18:21 jcamins_away I would think that the house cats would not make a significant difference. 18:21 gerundio chris_n, any breakthrough regarding those records? 18:21 druthb My two indoor cats are so terrified of the outside that it's not an issue. 18:21 jcamins_away Myshkin likes the idea of going outside. 18:23 gerundio druthb, I ear you... I've heard a lot of reports on that behaviour from the felines 18:24 druthb My big one...if you try to take him outside, you *will* need first-aid. He's almost 10 kg, and has all his claws. When he gets upset, he's quite a handful. 18:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "#kohacon12 meeting on irc in 40 mins #kohails" 18:26 rangi Home cats kill a huge number of birds 18:26 jcamins_away rangi: are stray cats not a problem in NZ? 18:26 rangi Not really no 18:27 druthb Different part of the world. I didn't hardly see any stray cats in Mumbai, either. *tons* of stray dogs, but sekjal and I only spotted a few cats. 18:27 chris_n gerundio: still looking 18:27 rangi Stoats and possums are a bigger problem 18:27 jcamins_away In Astoria, where we lived in a small enough building that we could see the cats wandering around, there was one pet cat that went outside, and about two dozen strays. 18:28 gerundio chris_n, thanks for the time :) 18:28 rangi Dudes a rich white economist 18:28 rangi Who is a super troll 18:28 rangi Best to just ignore him 18:28 jcamins_away Our landlord's girlfriend was trying to socialize them enough to catch them and get them fixed. 18:29 chris_n gerundio: can you post a shot of a messed up label? 18:29 rangi Economists somehow think they have a divine right to pontificate about stuff they know nothing about 18:29 chris_n +1 18:30 jcamins_away rangi: wait... you mean the degree doesn't come with a card that allows them to do that?!? 18:30 rangi Hehe 18:30 druthb rangi: Working on your pull requests now. Okay to include a patch to the About/Translation page in there? 18:30 rangi Sure is 18:30 rangi Thanks 18:31 druthb Okie. I'll need to send that *same* patch into master, too, Mr. jcamins_away RM-ly dude. 18:31 jcamins_away Thanks. 18:31 rangi Yep 18:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Diacritics gone wrong http://t.co/6hBBANnh" 18:33 gerundio chris_n, here: http://i.imgur.com/XiH6hEs.png 18:34 chris_n gerundio: which record is that from? 18:35 chris_n and what is the size of your label? 18:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #262 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 8 mo 29 days ago) 18:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #6 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) 18:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #262: STILL FAILING in 1 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/262/ 18:35 chris_n it looks like you've run amuck of the scaling problem 18:35 jenkins_koha nengard: link to search indexes chart 18:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #6: STILL FAILING in 1 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/6/ 18:35 jenkins_koha nengard: link to search indexes chart 18:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #14 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:35 gerundio chris_n, 2.5 x 5.1 cm if I'm not mistaken 18:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #14: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/14/ 18:36 jenkins_koha nengard: link to search indexes chart 18:36 gerundio the record is the one I pasted before as the one that failed: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=60855 18:41 gerundio chris_n, here the resulting PDF from batch with 3 records 18:41 gerundio https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D355860_7327347_279773 18:43 gerundio 1st item barcode: 0037307 (works), 2nd: 0076742 (doesn't work) and 3rd: 0032358 (works) 18:43 gerundio 1st and 3rd records are from the import we've done using the MARC import tool 18:44 gerundio the 2nd record is a new one created using the new record cataloguing feature 18:46 chris_n gerundio: well, it looks like a broken record, but I'm not sure what is broken without throwing a lot of time at it 18:46 gerundio ok, just give me some hints on where I can debug the issue 18:46 chris_n we create in house records many times without any issues 18:47 druthb jcamins_away: Do you want me to create a *bug* for the update to the about.tt, or just send you the patch? 18:47 jcamins_away Stick it on the about.tt bug. 18:47 jcamins_away @query about 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2705 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patron import should warn about invalid characters 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , Note about range isn't showing range 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Show additional information about borrowers on routing list 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Release notes for stable releases should be in Master 18:47 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5968 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , News display on opac-main.pl is particular about browser language settings 18:48 druthb 9418? 18:48 wahanui 9418 is the usual git port. 18:48 jcamins_away Bug 7143. 18:48 wahanui bug 7143 is probably ready for an easy signoff 18:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 18:48 druthb Ah! 18:48 alohabot Hi mib_2g34hj, Welcome to #koha. 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If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) 18:48 chris_n gerundio: something appears to be amiss with the record in such a way that the fields are not retrieved properly when creating the label, so I'd say to start 18:48 chris_n in the label-create-pdf.pl script 18:48 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=labels/label-create-pdf.pl;h=3d7ff1fc9c89cd779beae863a6c9110feaacb604;hb=HEAD 18:49 chris_n maybe dump the contents of the label object once it is created and see if anything is missing/messed up 18:49 gerundio ok 18:49 chris_n then work back from there 18:49 gerundio thanks a lot, I'll do that 18:49 gerundio chris_n++ 18:50 gerundio got to go now 18:50 chris_n I have plans to move the creator foo from pdf to the browser using css.... just not time to do it 18:50 chris_n np 18:50 chris_n good luck 18:50 gerundio bye all, cya tomorrow 18:52 * chris_n notes that keeping one's house cat feed with domestic mice seems to offset the cat's appetite for birds 18:52 chris_n not that it matters much... except the mice are not as messy 18:57 Brooke o/ 18:58 William #info william 18:58 rangi William: hasn't started yet :) 18:58 William OK Thanks 19:02 rangi #startmeeting 19:02 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 19:02 huginn rangi: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' 19:02 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 19:02 rangi #startmeeting Kohacon13 19:02 huginn Meeting started Tue Jan 22 19:00:32 2013 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'kohacon13' 19:02 rangi #topic introductions 19:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 19:03 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, RMaint 3.8.x and 3.10.x 19:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 19:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer 19:03 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, QAA 3.12, Houston Tx 19:03 nancyk #chair nancyk 19:03 jcamins_away #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12 19:04 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England, kohacon12 co-host 19:04 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions, TM 3.12 19:04 melia #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions 19:04 rangi that everybody? 19:05 slef rangi: do you need to #addchair nancyk? 19:05 nancyk shall we start? 19:05 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen 19:05 drojf i accidentally into a meeting :D 19:05 slef drojf: ErrNoVerb 19:05 rangi #addchair nancyk 19:05 rangi i dont think that does anything slef 19:05 nancyk #addchair nancyk 19:05 nancyk ok 19:06 rangi #topic what needs to be done? 19:06 rangi over to you nancyk 19:06 slef rangi: hrm... I thought it let nancyk use #topic and so on 19:06 * slef RTFMs 19:06 nancyk #topic 19:06 nancyk #topic What needs to be done? 19:06 cait :) 19:07 nancyk #topic how about an update? 19:07 cait hm looks like only the one starting the meeting can do it? 19:07 rangi im going off the agenda here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_planning_meeting,_22_January_2013 19:08 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_planning_meeting,_22_January_2013 19:08 rangi so we are at what needs to be done .. do you want to talk about that nancyk ? 19:08 nancyk #info we are still waiting on the contract, but the days are set. 19:08 nancyk I am a slooow typer so please be patient 19:09 cait take your time :) 19:09 rangi i wont move on to the next topic until you say you are done :) 19:09 nancyk The first item on the agenda is what needs to be done, next 19:10 rangi yep thats the current topic 19:11 nancyk I sent an email that the venue is the Atlantis, the dates are Oct 16-22. 19:11 rhcl #info rhcl=Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 19:12 rangi #info dates are set october 16-22 2013 at the Atlantis reno check the wiki for more info 19:12 nancyk information is posted on the wiki 19:12 cait nancyk++ 19:12 nancyk http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon13 19:12 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary 19:12 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon13 19:13 nancyk So now I need a committee to create the structure and get the ball rolling 19:13 nengard_lunch #info Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions 19:14 rangi so that brings us on to who can do what? 19:15 nancyk We need people to work on screening presentations 19:15 cait not sure I can attend yet, but if there is something that can be done online ... 19:16 rangi #topic Who can do what? 19:16 nancyk We need people to help with registration, at the site 19:16 nancyk We need people to handle logistics 19:16 * druthb is willing to help with international hospitality--making sure non-US people have the info they need on visa logistics,etc. 19:16 nengard I can put up the proposal form again 19:17 nengard and help with the screening 19:17 Brooke yeah me too 19:17 * Brooke lives in the right place to bug people. 19:17 * druthb lives in the right place to bug Brooke. 19:18 * jcamins_away is the RM, making him an expert on bugs. :P 19:18 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Volunteers#Roles_to_Fill 19:18 nancyk #action brooke and nicole screen presentations 19:18 * cait is qam.... gets to see all the bugs before RM does :P 19:18 rangi perhaps people could sign up here 19:18 rangi and put their name under the roles they could do 19:19 nancyk nice idea 19:19 nancyk #action I'll flesh out the vol page on the wiki 19:20 rangi cool 19:20 nengard I think Brooke wanted to help druthb with bugging ;) 19:20 nancyk #topic What kinds of presentations do we want? 19:20 rhcl Maybe someone could fill in just a couple of brief bullets on the duties? For example, "International visitors help" would entail what, generally? 19:20 rangi #topic what kind of presentations do we want? 19:20 rhcl disregard, just answered 19:21 rangi rhcl: etsa .. gotta remember to apply for that BEFORE you take off or yoink! :) 19:21 nengard Presentations on how libraries are using Koha are always cool 19:21 rangi #info librarians/libraries telling their stories 19:22 rangi what she said :) 19:22 nengard hehe 19:22 nengard :) 19:22 rhcl we are going to send some librarians, so some "library topics" would be of more interest to them than dev or tech presentations exclusively 19:22 nengard sorry I should have used the #info 19:22 slef ah! I guess you mean "filter/review presentations", not as in prepare them for projection on a screen! 19:22 nengard right 19:22 nancyk #info I might be able to get something on virtualizing Koha 19:22 slef two peoples, divided by a common language... 19:22 rangi rhcl: we usually save tech stuff for the hackfest, we are pretty good about that 19:23 rangi i think that works well usually? 19:23 nancyk #info lost of new libraries, how about newbie tips? 19:23 rangi #info panel discussions are sometimes good too 19:23 cait I think some presentations that mix in a bit of tech are ok, but not too technical 19:24 rangi newbie tips are great, sometimes old hands learn new tricks that way too 19:24 nengard yeah super techie stuff is for the hackfest 19:24 rangi #info how about a slot for lightning talks? a cool tricks .. you have 7 mins to show you cool trick 19:24 nengard i think that last year was great, not to structured - not forcing everyone in to 30 or 45 min slots 19:25 drojf yeah for lightning talks 19:25 nengard and then the tech talks weren't there to confuse, but to enhance 19:26 nancyk #info new features in acquisitions 19:26 nancyk #info coolest OPACs 19:27 rangi #info i like "What we did wrong" talks too 19:27 cait maybe something like koha used in other countries? 19:27 rangi those can be really really useful 19:27 slef nengard++ 19:27 Brooke cait++ 19:27 rangi oh yeah, overseas stories 19:27 William ++ 19:27 Brooke Those are super important 19:27 rangi #info international stories 19:27 nancyk boy we have lots of those! 19:28 rangi im hoping to get someone from NEU to come 19:28 cait that would be cool 19:28 rangi to talk about the 1112 branches moving/moved to koha 19:28 rangi ill keep pestering them :) 19:28 cait rangi++ 19:28 * Brooke gets out the dead horse whip 19:28 rangi philipines converted all their public libraries to koha 19:29 Brooke I wish we had scholarships to prod folks to get there by taking the cost of travel out of the equation 19:29 rangi there is a good story there too :) 19:29 nancyk Ok, send me your late, but good ideas 19:29 rangi :) 19:29 cait maybe have another question and answers session? 19:29 drojf i wish we had scholarships to take get me there ;) 19:29 cait and some history of koha is always good too 19:29 rangi next topic nancyk ? 19:29 drojf err. without the "take" 19:29 nengard #info history of koha/what is koha for the new newbies 19:30 cait drojf: we could revive the *build a boat out of old books* plan 19:30 drojf hehe 19:30 nancyk #topic hackfest 19:30 nancyk what is it really? 19:30 nengard it's been a few things 19:30 rangi #topic hackfest 19:30 rangi its a combination of presentations and coding 19:31 cait we had a bug squashing session in scotland, and some tutorials about how to do certain things like using git and writing unit tests in nz 19:31 nengard I'd love less talking and more coding :) 19:31 Brooke hackfest is usually a bunch of nerds in a room with lappies. Magic crap happens if you feed them cheetos and chocolate. :) 19:31 rangi imho the talking to each other is of far more value than the sitting quietly and working on code 19:31 rangi i can do that here :) 19:31 jcamins_away Much more valuable. 19:31 cait helping newbies who want to help out programming get started, show people how to test bugs, use bugzilla, git, the tools 19:31 Brooke Beer is another good nerd fuel. 19:31 nengard rangi - oh yes! talk to each other - but the presentations aren't always necessary I feel 19:31 druthb wahanui: hackfest? 19:31 wahanui hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) 19:31 cait coming up with bigger ideas and how things shoudl be done 19:31 cait or could 19:31 Brooke it's a whole lot of over the shoulder learning 19:31 * druthb likes Brooke's definition better. 19:32 cait because can't really make decisions there, but can note down ideas 19:32 nancyk #info will they bring a server? 19:32 rangi don't need one 19:32 jcamins_away nancyk: a server? 19:32 wahanui rumour has it a server is installed 19:32 cait everyone will bring a laptop :) 19:32 rangi laptops suffix 19:32 rangi suffice too 19:32 drojf or two 19:32 jcamins_away wahanui: forget server 19:32 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot server 19:32 drojf and tablets 19:32 drojf lol 19:32 cait can run lots of kohas on a laptop :) 19:32 cait but internet is a big requirement 19:33 nancyk will people who want to be bug testers go? 19:33 rangi i hope so 19:33 cait :) 19:33 rangi thats why i ran the scoreboard last year 19:33 rangi #link http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ 19:34 drojf aaaw all those kittens we saved 19:34 oleonard nancyk: Wireless internet is a big big requirement for conference *and* hackfest 19:34 nancyk got that ;) 19:34 cait :) 19:35 cait I think if there are people who want to learn about testing, there can be a session about that 19:35 rangi nancyk: making new developers is far far far far far far far far far more important than the existing ones working on code 19:35 cait the hackfest is normally less strictly planned than the conf 19:35 nancyk #topic donations 19:35 nancyk how do we go about that? 19:35 rangi so imo the hackfest is great for helping people new to testing/translations/etc to come up to speed 19:35 rangi #topic donations 19:35 Brooke you ask, folks give 19:36 nancyk method of asking? 19:36 Brooke sometimes you don't even ask, and Magnus and folks show up with money anyway 19:36 rangi make it as simple as possible to give 19:36 Brooke :) 19:36 Brooke cause magnuse is quick like that 19:36 jcamins_away E-mail to the list with how much you need for what, and the simplest possible way to send money. 19:36 cait magnuse++ 19:36 libsysguy donate button on the koha site? 19:36 rangi nancyk: we beat the streets, knocked on doors, and looked outside of just the koha support companies for sponsorship 19:36 cait I think there were problems with paypal last time 19:37 slef nancyk: email to the list, then if you need to raise more, direct mail based on the support list, then if you need to raise more, beg on IRC and in person. 19:37 libsysguy I was wondering if paypal would work…I guess not 19:37 libsysguy what is the donation goal? 19:37 slef libsysguy: arrrrrgh paypal froze kohacon12 donations at an awful time 19:37 jcamins_away Last year we had a Paypal button on the website, I think, but there were some problems with getting money out of it. 19:37 libsysguy figures…paypal is a pita sometimes 19:37 drojf most of the time 19:37 jcamins_away So if an easier option can be found, that'd be good. 19:37 Brooke paypal works, you just have to figure it out ahead of time 19:38 slef no 19:38 slef paypal is a complete loose cannon 19:38 slef I think the US may have other options. Let me check our research 19:38 drojf paypal basically decides when you can get your money. or if you can at all 19:38 rhcl if you just ask for donations, we won't be able to give (politics), but if you have a suggested donation, we might be able to request that 19:38 nancyk #info donation method needs work, I get it 19:38 slef I think there were services we found but couldn't use because they only paid out to the US. 19:38 slef #info use paypal if you like, but try not to rely on it behaving 19:39 cait I think for in the US it might be fine 19:39 jcamins_away slef: yeah... there are two or three. 19:39 cait but better check 19:39 libsysguy https://merchant.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=merchant/donations 19:39 slef cait: I think they serve the US from a Singapore-based subsidiary 19:39 cait how nice 19:39 rangi if you can get sponsorship from outside the community too 19:39 libsysguy oh kickstarter or indegogo 19:39 slef cait: I feel it's to avoid the regulators 19:39 rangi its much better 19:40 slef libsysguy: they take an extra % 19:40 nancyk #topic Anything else? 19:40 slef #info indiegogo was 3+(4 or 9)% + $25 + exchange rates 19:40 slef #info 33needs looked like 8% 19:41 slef #info Crowdrise looked liked 5%+$2.50; other options: Kickstarter, Profounder 19:41 libsysguy slef you're right I just saw at that 19:41 slef just checking for anything else 19:41 slef #info above are as at April 2012 or so 19:41 rangi #info hit up restaurants, print shops etc also 19:41 jcamins_away nancyk: don't use Kickstarter, or something where the payment _must_ be done through them, because at least some of the donors won't be able to donate through a venue like that. 19:41 slef ok I'm done 19:42 nancyk #topic Anything else? 19:42 jcamins_away (or use Kickstarter, but in such a way that donations can also be taken directly) 19:42 jcamins_away Okay, I'm done. 19:42 jcamins_away :) 19:42 rangi #topic anything else? 19:42 slef rhcl: would you be able to buy "Enhanced Conference Tickets"? 19:42 rhcl yes, I'd guess 19:43 slef I think some "our policy is not to make donations" libraries suggested that to us. 19:43 drojf enhanced… by a pricetag? :) 19:43 rhcl and I'd (personally) fully support that type of thing to raise $$ 19:43 libsysguy high_roller_package++ 19:43 nancyk What's that? 19:43 wahanui rumour has it that is in march 19:43 nengard +1 19:43 rhcl we used to pay a fortune to send people to Sirsi conf 19:43 slef drojf: front-row seats? Oh wait, it's a tech conference... back-row seats? 19:43 nengard hehe 19:43 drojf hehe 19:43 nengard table seats 19:44 drojf with power outlets 19:44 nengard nancyk that's something to be sure of - lots of tables - lots and lots of tables 19:44 William What are "Enhanced Conference Tickets"? 19:44 libsysguy n-band wifi 19:44 nengard the idea being that some libraries can't donate, but they can pay to attend the conference 19:44 nengard actually there is nothing enhanced about it 19:44 rangi William: the conference is free, but some libraries can not make donations, so we could have sepcial non-free tickets 19:44 nengard it's just a way to get more $$ for the conference 19:44 rangi for them 19:44 nancyk #topic next meeting time 19:44 rangi #topic next meeting time 19:45 slef I'd say just the ticket is enhanced. Printed on card instead of a sticker, maybe? ;) 19:45 slef and maybe get stickers that actually stick :-/ 19:45 nancyk #info Feb 19th same time? 19:45 slef ahem 19:45 rangi heh 19:45 nengard what stickers didn't stick? 19:45 rangi nancyk: works for me 19:45 slef nengard: the ones at kohacon12 19:46 rhcl will there be tables where we can leave stuff set up to demo? I'd like to show our OPAC (kiosk) software running. 19:46 Brooke that would be after Valentine's Day, so should be good :) 19:46 nancyk #info thanks all, I have a to do list for sure 19:46 slef nengard: on the plus side, they were very good in that they didn't mark clothes! ;-) 19:46 cait nancyk: thx for the meeting and info :) 19:46 cait slef: bcause they didn't stay there long enough ;) 19:46 nengard oh! the name stickers 19:46 nengard those never work 19:46 nengard ever ever 19:46 jcamins_away That's why I bring my own hanger. 19:47 nengard yeah i'll do the same this year 19:47 nengard i have a few 19:47 nancyk #action next KohaCon planning meeting Feb. 19 19:00 UTC 19:48 nancyk #endmeeting 19:48 cait rangi? :) 19:48 slef cait: maybe we should staple them on? 19:48 cait slef: I think I wouldn't like a stapler that close to me - thx 19:48 slef cait: or we could use a legbone to spear them on... 19:49 rangi #endmeeting 19:49 huginn Meeting ended Tue Jan 22 19:47:05 2013 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 19:49 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/kohacon13.2013-01-22-19.00.html 19:49 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/kohacon13.2013-01-22-19.00.txt 19:49 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2013/kohacon13.2013-01-22-19.00.log.html 19:50 rangi thanks nancyk 19:50 rangi and everyone else :) 19:53 druthb git-bz++ 19:53 druthb jcamins_away: New patch on bug 7143, per your request. 19:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 19:53 jcamins_away druthb: thanks! 19:56 rangi druthb: thanks for the pull requests 19:56 druthb you betcha! :) Hope I did everything right. 19:57 rangi looks fine to me 19:58 druthb :) 20:04 wizzyrea oh that reminds me I need to get the new git bz 20:04 wizzyrea git bz? 20:04 wahanui i heard git bz was so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL 20:04 wizzyrea where is it living now? 20:05 jcamins_away git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git 20:06 wizzyrea ty :) 20:06 libsysguy oh did gmcharlt get the wip repo working over the weekend? 20:07 gmcharlt sorry, not yet 20:07 * libsysguy crax the whip :p 20:07 libsysguy jk no rush 20:07 wizzyrea ! it has -m for MAIL 20:07 wizzyrea that is awesome! 20:08 wizzyrea test bug? 20:08 wizzyrea hmm 20:09 wizzyrea test bug is 6473 20:09 wizzyrea forget test bug 20:09 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot test bug 20:09 wizzyrea test bug is bug 6473 20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Test bug for Git-bz 20:09 wizzyrea test bug? 20:09 wahanui test bug is bug 6473 20:09 * wizzyrea likes this 20:11 * wizzyrea loves you guys so, so much. 20:12 wizzyrea that is really fantastic, thanks for your work on that. 20:13 wizzyrea whoever dd it 20:13 cait druthb++ :) 20:13 druthb eh? 20:13 wizzyrea git bz is also git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git 20:13 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 20:13 slef wizzyrea: but it's hardcoded to mail koha-patches so less useful elsewhere 20:14 druthb wha'd I do, cait? 20:14 wizzyrea I think it's fine to have a tool that works just for us 20:14 cait translation manager stuff :) 20:14 druthb oh. okies. :) 20:14 wizzyrea and of course it can always be improved :) 20:14 wizzyrea but... just look at how far it has come. 20:15 wizzyrea slef++ for work on git-bz 20:15 wizzyrea git bz? 20:15 wahanui hmmm... git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL 20:16 wizzyrea oleonard: about? 20:16 oleonard Yes 20:17 wizzyrea question about sorting and tables - datatables can have their default sort changed right? I'm looking at thes aved reports interface, and it sorts by name as default 20:17 wizzyrea I think it should sort by number 20:17 wizzyrea hi paul_p 20:17 oleonard Yes you can change the default sort 20:17 wizzyrea ok with you if I change that? 20:17 wizzyrea for that particular table 20:19 oleonard Saved reports? That uses the old plugin so you'll have to update it to DataTables. I disagree that it should sort by number though. 20:19 oleonard wizzyrea: Can you make a case for number sorting? 20:20 cait I think newest first would be nice... 20:21 cait but maybe it will get better with the tabs/groups 20:21 cait at the moment libraries seem to miss that they have to set the max reports shown to a higher number or page 20:21 magnuse eythian: about? 20:23 wizzyrea I can, I think - unless a librarian is *very* disciplined, name sorting is pretty arbitrary as report names are user generated. Sorting them by number (which is the method by which I personally refer to them) lets you infer the age of the report, and gives you a sequence by which to find that number. Numbers are concrete references, names are easily misunderstood, often very similar, and generally confusing when trying to convey which 20:23 wizzyrea mean 20:23 cait hm 20:23 cait I think something good about name sorting is that you can influence it 20:23 cait I mean if you change the name it hsows up first if you want it 20:23 magnuse @later tell eythian: kia ora! any news on the funding for the images from multiple sources thing? just curious... :-) 20:23 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 20:23 * magnuse wanders off again 20:23 oleonard wizzyrea: Perhaps cait's suggestion of newest first would help that? 20:23 cait for numbers you might have the best reports somewhere in the middle/end/begining 20:24 cait I am not sure what's good sorting here 20:24 wizzyrea right, but you *can* change the sort on the fly, right? 20:24 oleonard Yes 20:24 wizzyrea I think either date sorting or by number would be best 20:24 wizzyrea it's confusing *to me* 20:24 wizzyrea to have the ones with no name at the top 20:25 druthb @karma 20:25 huginn druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (726), "oleonard" (618), and "jcamins" (489). Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-99), and "-" (-70). You (druthb) are ranked 13 out of 2359. 20:25 mib_vczt1x wizzyrea: i think i fixed the zebra issue with the installation here http://lib.themico.edu.jm/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=2743 20:25 druthb @most increased 20:25 huginn druthb: "rangi": 731, "oleonard": 623, "jcamins": 491, "wizzyrea": 367, "cait": 351, "gmcharlt": 345, "chris_n": 312, "paul_p": 274, "sekjal": 245, "kf": 237, "nengard": 234, "magnuse": 204, "druthb": 176, "slef": 174, "eythian": 150, "fredericd": 95, "marcelr": 69, "hdl": 69, "mveron": 66, "biblibre": 65, "drojf": 63, "hdl_laptop": 60, "mtj": 57, "tcohen": 57, and "jwagner": 54 20:25 mib_vczt1x i updated the wiki accordingly too 20:25 wizzyrea mib_vczt1x: awesome! 20:25 wizzyrea mib_vczt1x++ very good :) 20:25 mib_vczt1x i have one issue though 20:26 oleonard Is it still possible to create a report with no name? 20:26 wizzyrea yep 20:26 mib_vczt1x the biblio numbers are skipping so there is no 2744 but there is 2745 20:26 wizzyrea possibly you deleted 2744 20:26 mib_vczt1x any idea where i can turn that off if its an option 20:27 wizzyrea ? 20:27 wizzyrea the first question? 20:27 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 20:27 mib_vczt1x when the guys add a new record it seem to just skip 20:27 wizzyrea and this is bothersome because? 20:27 oleonard *sigh* A patch submitted for Bug 2969 but never followed-up on. 20:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports 20:28 mib_vczt1x well think the librarian use the biblio number as an indication of the number of records in the system 20:29 wizzyrea oh, just go to saved reports, and enter select count(*) from biblio 20:29 wizzyrea that will just tell you 20:29 wizzyrea how many there are 20:29 wizzyrea problem solved. 20:29 wizzyrea run it any time you want to know :) 20:30 wizzyrea i wouldn't use the biblionumber as a representation of how many records are in the system 20:30 cait I think reusing numbers would be much worse :) 20:30 wizzyrea because every record gets one, and it's unique, and if you delete it, that one goes away forever. 20:30 wizzyrea so you'll always have gaps 20:31 wizzyrea but counting the number of biblios in the table will always be accurate as to how many records (do note, not *items*) there are in your catalog 20:33 wizzyrea mib_vczt1x: make sense? 20:33 wizzyrea if you want to know how many items there are (you could have multiple items per biblio) it's select count(*) from items 20:37 mib_vczt1x i understand a biblionimber being marked as used and not available for integrity purposes when deleted 20:37 mib_vczt1x but the issue is that during the addition phase its skipping numbers..numbers that wouldnt have being used before 20:38 wizzyrea it's still not the way to count the numbers in your collection. I think what you're saying is "it bothers me that it skips numbers because I like things in order" 20:38 wizzyrea ;) 20:39 oleonard It is a curiosity. 20:39 mib_vczt1x is there a predefined report that count the number of biblios or would i need to access the db directly for that? 20:40 wizzyrea not a pre-defined one, but you can create a saved sql report in the reports interface 20:40 wizzyrea with the queries I gave you :) 20:40 wizzyrea one per saved report 20:40 wizzyrea and run that from the interface anytime 20:41 mib_vczt1x ok fair enough, will advise librarian accordingly 20:41 wizzyrea (do note, I'm not saying that liking things in order is *bad* just that it's better to be honest about why something is bothersome) 20:42 wizzyrea wanting to know how many bibs/items in the collection I can fix. Your desire for order, I can't ^.^ 20:42 * wizzyrea is going away now. 20:43 mib_vczt1x well i understand ..i just need to explain to her why she need to use a different method for accounting on the population status 20:50 oleonard [off] I always picture jwagner going off to file her report on our activities 20:51 wizzyrea [off] hehe me too 20:57 rhcl [off]do you really think they care? I can't imagine they do. 21:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #49 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:11 wizzyrea1 oleonard: oh no, now I'm into the file with the rest of the permissions. lol. 21:11 wizzyrea1 be afraid. be very afraid. 21:12 oleonard wizzyrea: Did you see Bug 9439? 21:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Enforce superlibrarian mutual exclusivity of other permissions 21:12 rangi [off] rambutan: i know for a fact they do 21:13 wizzyrea hm interesting 21:13 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:13 wizzyrea indeed. 21:14 oleonard wizzyrea: It doesn't conflict however. 21:14 wizzyrea I'm only changing the descriptions really 21:14 * rangi works on the 3.10.2 release 21:16 oleonard See you later #koha 21:16 wizzyrea bother I see what I did there - later oleonard 21:17 eythian hi 21:17 cait morning eythian 21:45 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "#kohails 3.10.2 released http://t.co/GVPBOR0K" 21:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #49: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/49/ 21:46 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.10.2 21:46 wizzyrea \o/ 21:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #50 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:57 jcamins_away You know what I was _just_ saying? 21:58 wizzyrea what's that 21:58 wahanui i heard that was in march? 21:58 jcamins_away I was _just_ saying "yes, please, I would like to make Koha absolutely unusable and a miserable experience for my users!" 21:58 wizzyrea ?! 21:58 rangi heh 21:58 jcamins_away wizzyrea: so I put the data in SharePoint. 21:58 jcamins_away :P 21:58 wizzyrea lol fair enough 22:00 rangi unfortunately, the library won't have any pull in this situation 22:00 rangi new CIO etc 22:00 jcamins Ouch. 22:01 rangi being a library in a largish multinational engineering company has it's downsides :) 22:01 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "http://t.co/7UbGFhtq => version spécifique R2. A terme, on va essayer de faire une version "générique" #kohails" 22:01 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "Les sources de notre version mobile #kohails sont maintenant disponibles sur Github http://t.co/7UbGFhtq." 22:02 rangi rennes++ 22:03 rangi committing early 22:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.10.2 released http://t.co/z3qYjU8N" 22:10 cait rangi++ rennes++ :) 22:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #50: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/50/ 22:26 jenkins_koha * druthb: Updated language files for 3.10.2 22:26 jenkins_koha * druthb: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish 22:26 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping db version number for release 22:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 22:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #259 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:58 rangi wizzyrea: i broke the website 22:58 rangi http://koha-community.org/ 22:58 wahanui http://koha-community.org/ is down? 22:59 rangi the link from 3.8.9 is broken 23:01 jcamins wahanui runs around waving his wings in the air. 23:01 wahanui jcamins: sorry... 23:03 jcamins (wahanui = raven, right?) 23:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #259: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/259/ 23:04 jenkins_koha * druthb: Language updates for 3.8.9 23:04 jenkins_koha * druthb: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish 23:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping version for 3.8.9 release 23:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.8.9 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 23:06 gmcharlt jcamins: huginn is a raven 23:06 gmcharlt I don't know about wahanui 23:07 eythian NZ doesn't have ravens, I think 23:07 wizzyrea they make an awful racket. Count yourselves lucky. 23:07 wizzyrea I guess you have tuis tho, they're pretty noisy. 23:08 rangi wahanui = big mouth 23:08 wahanui rangi: sorry... 23:08 eythian oh we do 23:08 eythian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Raven 23:08 eythian oh, we did 23:08 wizzyrea hah 23:08 rangi i know how to fix the cat problem 23:08 eythian "Conservation status: fossil" 23:08 rangi haast eagles 23:08 rangi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast's_Eagle 23:09 rangi just have to clone a few of them 23:09 * ibeardslee refuses to admit to ever having a Tui 23:09 rangi cats, dogs, sheep, small children 23:09 rangi all solved 23:09 * wizzyrea rather likes small children 23:09 wizzyrea most days. 23:09 wahanui most days are partly to mostly sunny, it's really pretty rare to get a totally clear day 23:10 rangi yeah but imagine how much better behaved they'd be if you could say "pick up those toys or ill put you outside with the eagles" 23:10 wizzyrea HAHA 23:10 wizzyrea i love it. 23:10 * wizzyrea might use that anyway. 23:11 eythian the eagles in LOTR are native, anyway :) 23:36 wizzyrea ^.^ 23:52 jcamins [off] I'm not sure there was any point in that e-mail. 23:53 cjh [off] I couldnt quite figure out the question. 23:54 wizzyrea [off] the question was "am I paranoid" the answer is 23:54 wizzyrea "yes"