Time  Nick           Message
23:53 jcamins        eythian: so there is.
23:52 eythian        http://imgur.com/cjMXV <-- it's true, there is
23:43 * rangi        crawls back into his hole
23:41 rangi          rambutan: are you offering to write the book? :-)
23:41 jcamins        Nope.
23:41 rangi          i bet they didnt get bailed out in 1832
23:40 rangi          heh
23:40 jcamins        (fun aside: I was at a lecture on the 1832 economic collapse in Edinburgh on the day that the Bank of Scotland folded)
23:40 jcamins        Disadvantage: your employer believes it's circa 1830.
23:39 jcamins        Advantage of being a civil servant: great benefits.
23:39 rangi          ah right
23:39 rangi          i dont think ive owned a chequebook since 2008
23:39 jcamins        Only when dealing with the government.
23:38 rangi          i forgot americans still use cheques
23:38 jcamins        I have dated *three* checks 2013! Without writing 2012 first!
23:22 jcamins        [off] Ah, yes. No rest for the wicked. I was just -- finally -- sent a copy of the catalog which was due at the printer's October 1, 2012, and asked to index it.
23:13 jcamins_away   wizzyrea: yes.
22:55 wizzyrea       that's a darn shame
22:40 eythian        no, not at the moment
22:38 * wizzyrea     looks to be EVEN LAZIER
22:38 wizzyrea       i forget can git bz change status to signed off as well?
22:23 cjh            \o/
22:22 wizzyrea       and it doesn't look bad up there
22:22 eythian        tend to agree
22:21 wizzyrea       that ? lacks context even for sighted people
22:21 wizzyrea       I think we're going to go with straight Help
22:11 wizzyrea       right
22:11 cjh            the [] might not be needed if we had help, as we already have | separators.
22:10 wizzyrea       [ Help ]  might be a better solution
22:10 wizzyrea       even sighted people
22:09 wizzyrea       because they do not see it
22:09 cjh            we will have to check with Julius how his screen reader reads an alt, but that is one approach. Could also add invisible context manually or change the ? to be 'help'
22:09 wizzyrea       probably, but... I think people do not use it
22:09 eythian        I presume an alt or title attribute resolves that?
22:08 wizzyrea       eastern US
22:08 wizzyrea       :)
22:08 eythian        pfft, we're far more east than he is.
22:08 wizzyrea       hear*
22:08 wizzyrea       but I will ask the rest of you - the link at the top in the staff client, for the visually impaired it is confusing to her [ ? ]
22:07 wizzyrea       eastern time zone :)
22:07 wizzyrea       nm will ask him tomorrow )
22:07 wizzyrea       oleonard about?
22:07 eythian        bye cait
22:06 cait           good night all :)
22:06 cait           now jcamins_away beat me to it :)
21:53 eythian        later
21:53 cjh            night :)
21:51 * jcamins_away calls it a day.
21:50 eythian        http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapiti-observer/8183040/Whale-on-Paraparaumu-Beach <-- quite the whale
21:43 eythian        barriers are down!
21:41 eythian        and all the wifi people get NATted behind the one address
21:40 eythian        oddly I thought I connected with IPv6, maybe that's something else
21:39 eythian        no, "~robin@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz" is coming from our more internal network.
21:38 jcamins_away   I had figured that cat1-cat10 and cat11a-cat11f were used by non-Koha people.
21:38 eythian        yeah, it means you're connecting from the wifi network which is isolated from most other things on our LAN
21:38 jcamins_away   Oh, is that what cat11g stands for?
21:38 eythian        > MrAgent075 (~corey@cat11g.catalyst.net.nz) is binnengekomen bij #koha
21:38 jcamins_away   eythian: huh?
21:38 eythian        jcamins_away: yes :)
21:38 eythian        what happens when we upgrade to 802.11n?
21:37 eythian        I'm not sure I'm OK with the idea that the hostname for the IP address we have reflects the detail of the protocol in use.
21:37 jcamins_away   Another example of something that neither of us will do. ;)
21:37 jcamins_away   Agreed.
21:37 eythian        a simple plugin system would be quite nice, it'd make it easier to add new functions
21:36 jcamins_away   However, it works perfectly, so that's not going to happen.
21:36 jcamins_away   At this point it probably could do with refactoring into several .pms.
21:36 jcamins_away   Yeah.
21:36 jcamins_away   lol
21:36 eythian        yeah, I've only been adding things I need, otherwise it'd be even more of a monster script.
21:35 jcamins_away   But I don't need that so it's not a priority.
21:34 jcamins_away   A refinement might be to support key-less sparse reduction, where if the key isn't specified you just keep on appending to the last record .
21:34 jcamins_away   Provided there is some sort of key on which to reduce, yup, that would work. :)
21:33 jcamins_away   I told you it was nice. :)
21:33 cait           makes me think about the combine all item fields into one record problem?
21:33 cait           nice
21:33 jcamins_away   So an authority for Phoenix, AZ which is supposed to have links to every single neighborhood in Phoenix can be specified with fifty lines listing the city and the neighborhood, and with --reduce we can end up with one record with fifty see-alsos.
21:31 wahanui        well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
21:31 eythian        Oh, interesting
21:31 jcamins_away   I use it for authorities.
21:31 jcamins_away   It allows you to combine multiple rows from a CSV into one record.
21:30 eythian        whatsit do?
21:29 jcamins_away   The --reduce function is pretty nice, if I say so myself.
21:29 eythian        I've mostly been using the stuff that was in there for other things
21:28 eythian        yes :)
21:28 jcamins_away   In that case, you should update the one in the migration toolbox, and use that one. :P
21:28 jcamins_away   lol
21:27 drojf          [off] i have never read "live cd" that often in one text. brought to you by the live cd manager.
21:27 drojf          [off] "Manual installation of Koha is time consuming and requires the expertise of a Linux administrator. Majority of the libraries (69.70%) that participated in this survey installed Koha manually and 30.30% of libraries installed Koha with the help of Koha live CD."
21:27 eythian        (not that though)
21:27 eythian        well, I have my own clone of the migration toolbox with a ton more patches for things, too
21:27 jcamins_away   Maybe that should go in a separate repo.
21:27 * rangi        wanders off to try to sleep whateveer this is off
21:26 jcamins_away   Hope I can merge your version in.
21:26 jcamins_away   Hrm.
21:26 eythian        yeah, her version is quite old
21:26 jcamins_away   I think.
21:25 jcamins_away   Her version is there, but not the one with that functionality.
21:25 jcamins_away   Right.
21:25 wizzyrea       or her version of it anyway
21:25 wizzyrea       i thought ruth had put it there?
21:25 jcamins_away   Ooh, yeah, I think that might not be in the koha-migration-toolbox repo.
21:24 wizzyrea       3 patches in one day that's a record for me
21:24 eythian        that's part of the reason I need to move it to gitorious, I lose track of where my latest version is
21:24 eythian        http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=import/csv/csvtomarc.pl;h=bf1c158cf1dbd18294351762c344e39725d55f44;hb=refs/heads/corrections_import#l640 <-- jcamins_away, this is it I think
21:24 cait           oleonard++ for closing old bugs :)
21:23 jcamins_away   Hm. I thought I had merged in your latest version, but maybe not.
21:23 jcamins_away   And for anyone who is troubled by my description of --reduce as having a "stupid inefficiency," I was the original author.
21:22 eythian        oh right, functions have a way of telling you what column they are referring to and that gets checked.
21:22 eythian        or perhaps I'm thinking of something else. I forget now.
21:21 eythian        can't remember how I fixed it.
21:21 eythian        oh right. I think I'd encountered something like that.
21:21 jcamins_away   No, if you use source functions for everything, a record will be considered blank.
21:20 jcamins_away   It worked, but A) had a stupid inefficiency which meant that it was O(n^2) instead of O(n*n-1) efficient, and B) for certain data it failed to differentiate records.
21:20 eythian        (or, I'm not clear what you mean)
21:20 eythian        also, don't source functions work for all input anyway?
21:19 eythian        ah right
21:19 jcamins_away   Yes, that was a previous patch I did.
21:18 eythian        there's a --reduce option?
21:16 jcamins_away   The --reduce option now works properly, and it's possible to use source functions for all input.
21:15 eythian        heh
21:15 jcamins_away   I don't think I pushed them to my repo yet, though, so you'll just have to believe me.
21:15 eythian        jcamins_away: sweet. It's about time I started managing that on gitorious or something to make it more amenable to that kind of thing
21:14 jcamins_away   eythian: BTW, I added a bunch more features to your csvtomarc script.
21:14 eythian        ohh curry day
21:13 eythian        I'm the only one in the koha area
21:13 eythian        It's quiet up here
21:13 cjh            morning
21:10 eythian        hi
21:08 jcamins_away   Definitely not.
21:08 jcamins_away   lol
21:08 cait           unless you felt like writing one :)
21:08 cait           don't know if it's time, prbably bit early
21:07 cait           is the sky telling you when to write one? :)
20:59 jcamins_away   The sky looks very ominous.
20:58 jcamins_away   Is it already time to write one?
20:58 jcamins_away   Good idea!
20:58 cait           jcamins_away: maybe you could add it to your  next newsletter?
20:56 rangi          :)
20:56 rangi          it also means we dont have 9 year old bug reports sitting in new status
20:55 rangi          good way of finding things for people to work on if they say "i want to help koha what can i do"
20:55 rangi          it allows you to search for a stuff no one is intending to work on, but it would be nice if someone did
20:54 * oleonard     missed the memo
20:54 rangi          we only just got it
20:54 oleonard       I didn't even know we had RESOLVED-WISHLIST
20:53 rangi          but yeah, someone might, thats why stick it in the wishlist
20:53 rangi          well in 9 years
20:53 cait           never say never :)
20:53 cait           I would not say never
20:53 rangi          oh you meant the bug, not the status :)
20:53 cait           oh
20:53 cait           so you woudl show a list of subjects alphabetic
20:52 jcamins_away   oleonard: rather than entering in keywords, they'd like the ability to have a list of subjects in the database, and choose one.
20:52 rangi          no one is actually intending to ever work on it
20:52 cait           subjects are controlled terms, or they can be
20:52 oleonard       What exactly does it mean?
20:52 cait           it's anice wish :)
20:52 cait           probably
20:49 jcamins_away   I think perhaps that should be marked RESOLVED-WISHLIST.
20:49 jcamins_away   Yes.
20:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=941 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , In advanced search : ask for controlled terms for "subject"
20:49 oleonard       Bug 941?
20:49 oleonard       Is But 941 about authority searching?
20:33 * cait         ponders if she has seen that in modern perl or learning perl
20:33 rangi          heh
20:28 drojf          ay caramba
20:23 jcamins_away   (assuming the member you want is frameworkname)
20:23 jcamins_away   ;
20:23 jcamins_away   my @frameworkloop = sort { $a->{'frameworkname'} <=> $b->{'frameworkname'} } &getframeworks
20:23 wahanui        well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:22 oleonard       Interesting.
20:22 rangi          http://search.cpan.org/dist/Template-Toolkit/lib/Template/Manual/VMethods.pod#sort,_nsort
20:21 rangi          are you using it in a template oleonard ?
20:21 jcamins_away   You'll need to sort with your own compare function.
20:19 jcamins_away   oleonard: you should not. It returns a hash.
20:19 oleonard       'cause it ain't.
20:18 oleonard       Should I not expect getframeworks in Koha.pm to return sorted data even with an 'ORDER BY' in the query?
20:17 drojf          findus: are you getting along?
20:13 wizzyrea       stink
20:10 jcamins_away   Oh no!
20:10 rangi          always when im on leave
20:10 * rangi        has a cold, or the flu or soemthing
20:10 rangi          maybe
20:10 jcamins_away   rangi: perfect!
20:10 rangi          via .deb packages
20:10 rangi          jcamins_away: lets just change that to Installing via Packages
20:10 jcamins_away   findus: nothing. The instructions for installing Koha on Ubuntu are *exactly the same* as the instructions for installing Koha on Debian.
20:09 wizzyrea       what's this thing I heard of about a captcha in koha?
20:09 findus         whats wrong with Ubuntu wiht koha?
20:09 jcamins_away   Yeah, that's why I'm thinking maybe it should change.
20:09 wizzyrea       :P
20:09 wizzyrea       well it says debian
20:09 jcamins_away   Maybe we should change the URL so people will pay attention.
20:09 wahanui        wizzyrea: I forgot koha on ubuntu
20:08 wizzyrea       forget koha on ubuntu
20:08 jcamins_away   Really.
20:08 jcamins_away   For Ubuntu.
20:08 jcamins_away   ^^ that is the canonical guide
20:08 wahanui        rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
20:08 jcamins_away   packages?
20:08 wahanui        somebody said koha on ubuntu was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
20:08 wizzyrea       koha on ubuntu?
20:08 wizzyrea       koha on ubunut?
20:08 wizzyrea       yea, that's not the canonical guide.
20:08 jcamins_away   This is why I disapprove of people copying bits and pieces of the documentation.
20:07 drojf          then THAT is your instance name :)
20:07 findus         instead of library I wrote bibliotek
20:07 drojf          if you did that, your instance name is library
20:07 findus         hmmm.... In the guide under "Instance creation" there's only a  sudo apt-get install mysql-server  command followed by  "sudo apt-get clean" and  "sudo koha-create --create-db library"
20:07 wizzyrea       9179 isn't pushed I guess?
20:07 drojf          findus: you created a koha instance with koha-create, right?
20:07 jcamins_away   Thanks.
20:06 drojf          done
20:05 drojf          deal
20:05 jcamins_away   drojf: I'm not at my computer, which means you get to fix it.
20:04 drojf          s/tjis/this
20:04 drojf          if only those stones we carve tjis information in could ever be changed :D
20:04 jcamins_away   findus: just write the correct instance name instead of "instancename" in the command listed.
20:04 wizzyrea       :)
20:04 wizzyrea       thanks ;
20:04 wizzyrea       coooool
20:04 jcamins_away   wizzyrea: yup.
20:04 jcamins_away   drojf: that is true.
20:04 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @CatalystAcademy: "A patch for @kohails by @coreyfromaotea passed QA last night by Katrin from Germany. Excellent example of international community! #flossac"
20:04 wizzyrea       corey is 199?
20:04 drojf          anyway the slash should not be at the end of the PERL5LIB path ;)
20:04 jcamins_away   wizzyrea: 199
20:04 findus         How do I do that ?
20:03 wizzyrea       sooo what developer number are we up to now?
20:03 jcamins_away   Not changing the instance name does. :)
20:03 jcamins_away   The extra slash doesn't matter.
20:03 cait           k
20:03 drojf          cait: doesn't matter
20:03 cait           lib//C4
20:03 wahanui        Hmm.  No matches for that, cait.
20:03 findus         Err..??
20:03 cait           hm there is also a //
20:02 drojf          findus: did you change "instancename" to your instancename?
20:02 findus         new problem: unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm line 360. unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Context.pm line 360. Can't call method "config" on an undefined value at LangInstaller.pm line 48. :( ???
19:59 jcamins_away   Why on earth did Vimal copy part of a page off the wiki?
19:58 cait           thx drojf
19:58 cait           ah
19:58 findus         thanks
19:58 drojf          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Building_Languages
19:57 findus         ?
19:57 findus         how do I get these  environment variables
19:57 cait           hi wizzyrea
19:57 findus         hi
19:56 wizzyrea       oy.
19:56 findus         the guide :)
19:56 findus         http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/61133887/koha-installation-ubuntu-packages
19:56 findus         yep
19:56 cait           so it's up and running? :)
19:56 cait           cool :)
19:56 findus         found a guide :)
19:55 findus         yep
19:55 cait           you have installed with packages this time around, right?
19:55 cait           environment variables missing
19:55 cait           right
19:55 cait           ah
19:55 findus         Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 22. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 22. Compilation failed in require at ./translate line 25
19:55 cait           what is the error?
19:54 findus         but when I come to the ./translate install da-DK part, i get an error..
19:54 findus         and I found a guide
19:54 findus         yes
19:53 cait           findus: have you seen http://translate.koha-community.org?
19:53 cait           I checked this afternoon when findus was around the first time :)
19:53 cait           but staff is not totally complete
19:53 cait           we have one
19:53 wizzyrea       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
19:53 wizzyrea       assuming we have a danish translation
19:52 wahanui        cait: i'm not following you...
19:52 cait           wahanui: I agree
19:52 jcamins_away   lol
19:52 cait           findus: we are trying to make the bot answer your question
19:52 wahanui        yesterday is almost over for me, and it's been pretty awful.
19:52 jcamins_away   Yesterday.
19:52 cait           lol
19:52 jcamins_away   I just did this.
19:52 cait           additional languages?
19:52 jcamins_away   installing languages?
19:52 findus         yep
19:52 jcamins_away   installing additional languages?
19:52 findus         Does any one kwon how to install a danish languagespack on koha 3.10?
19:51 oleonard       Hi wizzyrea
19:50 findus         hi
19:50 * wizzyrea     waves
19:49 cait           wb findus
19:48 cait           yeah me :)
19:45 wahanui        well, ^^ is that clear?
19:45 ibeardslee     cait: ^^?
19:45 rangi          I bet cait did it
19:44 ibeardslee     MrAgent075: who was that who QA'd your patch?
19:44 rangi          Side product of working on accessibility you learn lots about best practice too
19:42 jcamins_away   MrAgent075: and it'll probably be pushed tonight (your daytime) by someone in New York.
19:41 drojf          haha sounds fantastic
19:39 jcamins_away   Nice!
19:38 gmcharlt       easy enough to implement, then
19:38 rangi          If it's filled in, it's spam
19:38 rangi          Current best system is to have inputs hidden by css, bots fill them in, humans don't
19:38 * MrAgent075   had patch passed last night by a person in Germany. Now that's what he calls International Collab. :)
19:37 cait           MrAgent075: your patch passed QA :)
19:37 MrAgent075     Good Morning Everyone! :)
19:36 cait           hi MrAgent075 :)
19:36 rangi          Oh so um even more pointless?
19:36 gmcharlt       and doesn't use an external service, looks like
19:36 gmcharlt       randomly generated string
19:36 oleonard       it's not an image
19:32 rangi          I'll have to read the code
19:32 drojf          bonus points if it comes directly from google servers :(
19:31 drojf          a captcha? really? :(
19:31 rangi          Ah well maybe the academy kids can rip it back out
19:30 rangi          Gah
19:30 jcamins_away   Apparently not.
19:30 rangi          I thought by now ppl knew they were discrinatory and ineffective
19:29 rangi          Yuck
19:29 jcamins_away   For registering a new account.
19:29 * rangi        hopes he just read bug mail wrong
19:28 rangi          Have we really added a captcha to koha?
19:28 * jcamins_away pulls up short.
19:28 rangi          Hmm hold up
18:34 vfernandes     bye guys!
18:25 * libsysguy    had to go look that up
18:25 libsysguy      lol
18:24 jcamins_away   Amelia Bedelia would have been confused too.
18:24 jcamins_away   Don't feel bad.
18:24 jcamins_away   lol
18:23 * libsysguy    goes back to the literal corner
18:23 * libsysguy    gets it now
18:23 libsysguy      ohh
18:23 jcamins_away   This seems very constant to me.
18:23 libsysguy      well…impossible really
18:23 libsysguy      that is what I was saying…its annoying...
18:22 jcamins_away   It constantly annoys me.
18:22 jcamins_away   libsysguy: I disagree.
18:22 libsysguy      there is nothing that is constant about it
18:22 libsysguy      that makes it impossible to automate
18:21 libsysguy      so I was trying to add an item with selenium but every time I go to the addbiblio.pl page I get a new id for each element…frustrating
18:19 libsysguy      no wizzyrea did
18:19 jcamins_away   Did you add to that?
18:19 libsysguy      ^^ yeahhhhh
18:19 wahanui        hmmm... libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
18:19 libsysguy      libsysguy?
18:11 jcamins_away   ^^ there we go
18:11 wahanui        jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
18:11 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:11 wahanui        'scuse me while I cue up "Hail to the Chief!"
18:11 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:11 wahanui        jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
18:11 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:11 * jcamins_away thinks someone has been playing with wahanui's memory.
18:11 wahanui        jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
18:11 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:11 wahanui        jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
18:11 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:11 wahanui        i think jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States.
18:11 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:11 wahanui        'scuse me while I cue up "Hail to the Chief!"
18:11 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:10 wahanui        jcamins is, like, very, very irascible
18:10 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:10 wahanui        i heard jcamins was brilliant
18:10 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:10 wahanui        i guess jcamins is brilliant
18:10 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:10 wahanui        well, jcamins is a spoilsport
18:10 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:10 wahanui        jcamins is very, very irascible.
18:10 jcamins_away   jcamins?
18:10 jcamins_away   Oh, right, I'm jcamins_away right now.
18:10 wahanui        jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
18:10 jcamins_away   me?
18:10 * libsysguy    goes to mark all his patches "critical" as to drive jcamins_away mad
18:09 jcamins_away   Yeah, it was marked as "critical."
18:08 libsysguy      I saw it got pushed
18:08 libsysguy      no problem
18:08 cait           libsysguy++ thx for your qa yesterday
18:07 cait           :)
18:06 jcamins_away   lol
18:06 huginn         jcamins_away: Quote #231: "oleonard: You're not a real hardcore cataloger unless you catalog with hide_marc *and* advancedMARCeditor enabled: http://screencast.com/t/7qo1Wiokhe" (added by druthb at 02:34 PM, January 08, 2013)
18:06 jcamins_away   @quote get 231
18:05 huginn         jcamins_away: 1 found: #231: "oleonard: You're not a real hardcore cataloger..."
18:05 jcamins_away   @quote search editor
18:05 libsysguy      damn
18:05 huginn         libsysguy: No matching quotes were found.
18:05 libsysguy      @quote search "marc editor"
18:05 jcamins_away   libsysguy: I don't think so.
18:05 libsysguy      editor*
18:05 libsysguy      is there a quote about hating the marc edirot?
18:01 huginn         jcamins_away: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
18:01 jcamins_away   @quote get 123
18:01 * Dyrcona      doesn't think the words library and standard logically go in the same paragraph, never mind the same sentence.
18:00 jcamins_away   Actually, some of my snark is rather prideworthy too.
17:59 oleonard       I openly mock library standards and I'm proud to say it!
17:58 jcamins_away   [off] Because some people might be offended by our blatant mocking of library "standards." Also because saying "bibliographic exchange environment" is embarrassing and I don't want a record of me having done it. :P
17:58 jcamins_away   [off] Good thing, too, they'll need it if they want an actual copy of the standard.
17:57 jcamins_away   [off] lol
17:57 oleonard       [off] Why are we whispering?
17:57 gmcharlt       [off] televise it and you suddenly have an exciting new funding opportunity for cataloging departments
17:56 jcamins_away   #marchasnomercyandwilleatyoualive
17:56 jcamins_away   [off] Every environment must have its predators.
17:55 gmcharlt       jcamins_away: [off] an environment?  /me just had an image of predatory RDA records tearing into herds of peacefully grazing MARC21 records
17:47 jcamins_away   [off] How could it not be? It's for a bibliographic exchange _environment_ which is better then any stinking format or protocol. Or, for that matter, anything hypothetically concrete.
17:47 jcamins_away   [off] Really.
17:46 jcamins_away   [off] _This one_ will be different.
17:46 jcamins_away   [off] I know what you're thinking: "another 'standard' that will be poorly conceived and offer no added value to anyone other than the organization that scalps copies of it?"
17:46 jcamins_away   Ooh, NISO is developing a new Bibliographic Exchange Environment.
17:30 jcamins_away   vfernandes++
17:30 jcamins_away   I saw! :)
17:29 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client
17:29 vfernandes     jcamins check bug 9395 :)
17:20 jcamins_away   gerundio: you can search on LDR/06, but it has nothing to do with what Koha calls "item type."
17:17 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #1009: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1009/
17:14 gaetan_B       bye !
17:06 kf             bye all :)
16:51 kf             :)
16:51 oleonard       That's a great example, thanks kf
16:50 kf             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#SQL10:_Placeholders
16:49 kf             oleonard: If I understood correctly what you were looking for earlier
16:49 reiveune       bye
16:49 kf             oleonard: I think I have seen an eample on how to do sql right on the wiki somewhere
16:48 gerundio       since I'm not a librarian I have a hard time understading the purpose of the other field
16:48 gerundio       I see the use for the item types, both in search and circulation rules
16:48 gerundio       hmm, when you say "collection code" you're refering to "6- Type of record" from field 000?
16:47 oleonard       item types are also used to define circulation rules, so you may want to keep them separate from search-related categorization
16:46 oleonard       item type and collection code can both be used to filter search results gerundio
16:45 gerundio       from where I'm stading I'd say that Koha item types are the ones to look for in terms of filtering search results, right?
16:44 gerundio       in terms of catalog search, does that field have any influence in the results?
16:42 Dyrcona        Looks like it is a PDF download from there.
16:41 Dyrcona        gerundio: http://www.ifla.org/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation
16:41 jwagner        Ah. Then ignore what I said, but I suspect the answer is the same.
16:40 gerundio       does any standard apply for that matter too?
16:40 gerundio       we're using UNIMARC
16:39 jwagner        http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html
16:38 jwagner        Item types can be anything you want.
16:38 jwagner        It's based on the MARC standard (assuming you're using MARC21, that is), which defines certain values.
16:37 gerundio       jwagner, the 000 - 6 is a list of hardcoded values from what I could tell, right?
16:33 jwagner        none at all
16:31 gerundio       hey guys, what's the relation between the subfield "6- Type of record" from field 000 and Koha's Item types?
16:31 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4202 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Improve international currency and exchange support
16:31 * oleonard     wonders if Bug 4202 had funding at some point or if it is just ideas
16:26 Dyrcona        Ah, yeah...
16:22 gmcharlt       Dyrcona: no, just playing with the infobot
16:22 Dyrcona        gmcharlt: Don't ask me. I'm just visting.
16:21 gmcharlt       <fallor>?
16:20 wahanui        i already had it that way, huginn.
16:20 huginn         Dyrcona: Quote #62: "<fallor> is this a known thingy?" (added by gmcharlt at 01:18 PM, February 26, 2010)
16:20 Dyrcona        @quote random
16:17 huginn         gmcharlt: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
16:17 gmcharlt       @quote get 145
16:11 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1009 for job Koha_master (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #1006 2 days 2 hr ago)
16:10 jcamins        Makes sense to me.
16:09 oleonard       Right now you have to "manually" sort frameworks by code or description. If you sorted it by default you'd only have to "manually" sort if you wanted a sort by code.
16:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3549 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Framework sorting in addbook
16:09 oleonard       Regarding Bug 3549, I wonder if there's any reason not to add a sort by framework description directly to the SQL?
16:07 huginn         gmcharlt: Quote #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like participating in an IRC meeting about software licenses!" (added by kf at 12:23 PM, July 14, 2010)
16:07 gmcharlt       @quote random
16:01 oleonard       Thanks jcamins
16:00 jcamins        Hopefully someone found it useful.
16:00 jcamins        Apologies if that was rehashing things you already know.
15:59 jcamins        You can pass the @ids list, and use that for $dbh->execute(@ids)
15:57 jcamins        If you can't use placeholders with IN, your best bet would be to generate a WHERE clause. with as many placeholders as there are IDs.
15:56 jcamins        No problem.
15:56 jcamins        If you can, that's the best option.
15:56 oleonard       I wasn't thinking critically enough, assuming the example was valid. My apologies.
15:56 jcamins        I'm not sure if you can use placeholders with IN().
15:55 jcamins        That's a massive SQL injection flaw.
15:55 jcamins        Yikes!
15:55 jcamins        koha-news.pl does that?
15:55 * oleonard     passes the buck to koha-news.pl
15:55 oleonard       Ah of course. I was copying from a poor example.
15:55 jcamins        It allows SQL injection by inserting the comma-separated list directly into the SQL.
15:54 oleonard       Okay
15:54 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once
15:54 jcamins        I'm not comfortable with your patch for bug 3134.
15:53 jcamins        Not quite that bad.
15:53 jcamins        lol
15:53 wahanui        bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
15:53 jcamins        oleonard: bad news...
15:46 kf             ... and I tested it and I hate missing something that big :)
15:46 kf             that was only jquery I think, so I hope it was not the cause
15:45 jcamins        oleonard: in that case, it probably wasn't the patch I pushed last night.
15:45 oleonard       that's my guess kf, a bad query maybe
15:45 jcamins        kf: or that.
15:45 kf             or a side effect of the new category system?
15:45 oleonard       Hm, last night? I thought I noticed it first a few days ago, thought it was a data problem.
15:45 jcamins        I didn't see that when I was testing, but maybe I tested wrong.
15:44 jcamins        oleonard: maybe the result of the reports sorting patch I pushed last night?
15:44 kf             and oleonard++ :)
15:40 kf             oleonard++ :)
15:33 magnuse        oleonard: two for the price of one! yay!
15:33 oleonard       ...but no duplicates in the database?
15:31 oleonard       When I add a saved SQL report I end up with two copies
15:30 vfernandes     but i need a system preference to staff too
15:29 vfernandes     jcamins i will do the patch
15:27 jcamins        With nothing specified the search is closer to wrdl than most other options.
15:27 jcamins        vfernandes: not necessarily.
15:27 vfernandes     right magnuse
15:23 vfernandes     when nothing is specified it uses wrdl right?
15:23 * magnuse      is reminded of this discussion: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Default-search-options-in-the-OPAC-td5727169.html
15:21 vfernandes     yes but with wrong value.... only "sn" and "callnum" when it should be "sn,phr" and "callnum,phr"
15:21 jcamins        Though I'm not sure one is needed for the staff client... aren't both options already there?
15:20 jcamins        Probably one for each.
15:20 vfernandes     but one to controll the OPAC and Staff or one for each one?
15:20 vfernandes     ok I can do it with a system preference
15:19 jcamins        That's why my suggestion was probably more reasonable. ;)
15:19 vfernandes     i don't have much time for this :)
15:18 magnuse        jcamins: ;-)
15:18 jcamins        magnuse: I was looking for an option that would not require vfernandes to spend the next month on the small bugfix.
15:18 vfernandes     in OPAC the problem is only in "sn", in the staff client the problem in callnumbers and sn
15:17 magnuse        or make the whole list of indexes editable :-)
15:17 jcamins        If it's true, use sn,phr callnum,phr etc. If it's false, use sn,wrdl callnum,wrdl etc.
15:17 jcamins        A syspref like "OpacNumbersPreferPhrase" in the Searching tab.
15:16 jcamins        Make it an option.
15:16 vfernandes     what?
15:16 jcamins        Actually, you know what might be even better?
15:16 jcamins        Yes.
15:16 vfernandes     i will submit a bug/patch then the responsible can accept/reject
15:11 vfernandes     should I fill a bug and submit a patch?
15:09 vfernandes     in OPAC the problem with callnumber is solved (phr added to value)
15:09 vfernandes     in OPAC there is the same problem in standard number
15:04 vfernandes     but it wasn't pushed to master because search-indexes stills searching only for "sn"
15:02 vfernandes     sn -> standard number
15:01 vfernandes     in the comments he says that sn has already a patch
15:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6454 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lculber, NEW , Searching  by callnumber uses callnum,wrdl not callnum,phr
15:00 magnuse        Bug 6454 sounds related
14:59 vfernandes     :/
14:58 jcamins        I can't find it.
14:58 jcamins        Maybe not.
14:57 jcamins        I'm looking.
14:57 vfernandes     can you show me the bug?
14:57 jcamins        Possibly it was missed for 3.8.
14:57 jcamins        vfernandes: I think there was a patch for that.
14:56 vfernandes     the same happens to standard number... if I had phr everything works fine
14:55 vfernandes     should I submit a bug for this?
14:54 vfernandes     but it gives me wrong results... if I change the value to "callnum,phr" everything works fine
14:54 vfernandes     when searching for call number the search indexe is <option value="callnum">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Call number</option>
14:53 vfernandes     people i'm having a problem with 3.8
14:47 kf             yeah
14:46 drojf          well, depends on the size of the monitor of course
14:46 drojf          i don't think these logos have a good size for what you are planning to do ;)
14:42 kf             aah no
14:42 drojf          where X is your graphic
14:42 drojf          Suche [Freitext] X [          (input field)         ] X [OK]
14:42 drojf          i thought you want to have something like
14:40 kf             but maybe if that's not possible...
14:40 kf             oh I did mean
14:40 drojf          oh, you did not mean to have it right before and after the search field i suppose :)
14:40 kf             the problem is, it takes up lots of room
14:39 oleonard       Yeah that's a pretty common usage of the header
14:38 kf             didn't think about that
14:38 kf             [off] inm.bsz-bw.de < maybe could put it in the header instead
14:38 kf             oooh
14:37 oleonard       drojf: I had the same thought, but I think the existing structure won't allow it
14:37 kf             drojf: heh
14:36 drojf          can't you use :before and :after for that? i think i only used it to display an icon in front of a link so far, but maybe something like input.text#transl1:before {   content:url(/path/to/file.png); } and the equivalent for :after? (hoping oleonard won't get a heartattack from my wild guesses)
14:26 kf             a gentle kick in the right direction would be appreciated
14:26 kf             but I am a bit stuck on how to add one to the right
14:26 kf             of course the left one wa easy using opacsmallimage and some css to make it right for the size of the logo
14:26 kf             I am trying to get a logo show up left AND right of the search box
14:26 kf             heh
14:25 kf             oleonard: I think you can - checking my 3.6.10 here shows MANUAL_INV with a manual fee for copying
14:25 oleonard       So never mind. CSS.
14:25 oleonard       Oh I didn't look carefully--there are hard-coded ones and custom ones
14:25 kf             if I didn't scare you away :)
14:25 oleonard       Oh you can? I thought from looking at the template that it was hard-coded.
14:25 kf             and the css
14:25 kf             and there might even be example values, the copier fee thing
14:24 kf             oleonard: about the bug - not sure I get it :( you can add values to MANUAL_INV or whatever authorised value now that will show up in the list for manual invoices, I remember testing that I think
14:23 oleonard       Sure kf
14:23 kf             well, that's not a good question actually, but do you have time to give me some css hints? :)
14:23 oleonard       kf: I think the original enhancement allowed the library to create their own authorized values for manual invoices
14:23 kf             oleonard: can I ask you something?
14:22 kf             it's not a good solution of course... using the description for the amount
14:22 kf             it might have gone in on a separate bug?
14:22 kf             I think
14:22 kf             hm it does work
14:21 drojf          yeah probably not
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Predefined fee types
14:19 oleonard       I don't think bug 3476 is really fixed but I also know the person who filed it has no intention of submitting a rebased patch
14:18 kf             i felt really mean for failing this morning
14:18 kf             hope ti helps them and is not frustrating
14:15 magnuse        oleonard++ and kf++ for polite and informative shootdowns
14:14 drojf          'Unknown operating system Windows 2000. Setting to default OS "All".' <--- lol
14:11 * oleonard     already ruthlessly shot down the accessibility patches :(
14:11 drojf          i think that were 4 now. your turn, everybody ;)
14:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5291 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, RESOLVED INVALID, Purchase suggestion not working
14:10 * drojf        closed bug 5291
14:10 kf             hm it didn't work
14:08 drojf          slef slef slef
14:08 kf             we should summon slef and ask him :)
14:07 kf             hm
14:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3162 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Authority subfileds definitions and Show/Show Collapsed/Hide option
14:07 oleonard       Example: Bug 3162 is unmodified.
14:06 drojf          my guess would be you made it through the old list then, or the lists are generated differently than i would expect
14:05 oleonard       drojf: The list is new. It doesn't include items from the previous one.
14:04 drojf          (have not done anything the last time i think)
14:04 drojf          i assume the stuff from the last list would just turn up again?
14:03 oleonard       Did we make it through all the items on his previous list?
14:01 drojf          a dashboard for the bugs from slef's emails would be nice
13:59 drojf          \o/
13:58 jcamins        That is fixed.
13:58 jcamins        drojf: no.
13:51 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3327 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , rebuild_zebra.pl doesn't index authorities in XML
13:51 drojf          is this still true? "This combination of parameters is not possible in rebuild_zebra.pl:      rebuild_zebra -a -x"? according to the comments on bug 3327 it is a GRS-1 vs. DOM thingy
13:39 kf             oops :)
13:38 drojf          oops, said a german 'ups' ;)
13:38 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3068 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED FIXED, Auth.pm:  IP address matching overly generous
13:38 drojf          i tried bug 3068 but would not mind somebody else verifying my findings
13:37 drojf          wrong
13:37 drojf          ups
13:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3086 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Can't close circulation date-picker popup in Internet Explorer
13:37 drojf          i tried bug 3086 but would not mind somebody else verifying my findings
13:33 kf             I am not sure my second idea was a good one - but I was hoping too to catch you today and ask you for ideas
13:32 kf             oleonard: yeah :(
13:32 oleonard       I saw the Bugzilla messages. I also saw that kf had started looking at them.
13:31 jcamins        oleonard: you were much besought last night. There are a bunch of accessibility patches that wizzyrea wanted your opinion on.
13:31 oleonard       So, #koha.
13:26 kf             i hope not :)
13:24 drojf          woah, drowning in karma :)
13:24 kf             drojf++ again :)
13:23 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3068 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Auth.pm:  IP address matching overly generous
13:23 drojf          i will look at bug 3068
13:23 drojf          yes
13:21 kf             is that from the new oldest mails list?
13:21 kf             drojf++ :)
13:20 jcamins        drojf++
13:20 jcamins        Yay!
13:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4910 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, RESOLVED INVALID, Debian Packaging does not start Apache (on Ubuntu Lucid)
13:19 drojf          i tried bug 4910 and set it to resolved-invalid
13:02 haris          ok
13:02 jcamins        However, since I'm not certain that the earlier steps worked, it's best to start over, including the backup.
13:02 jcamins        You definitely missed the instructions starting at "Get rid of some of the old stuff / Apache."
13:01 haris          ?
13:01 haris          in which step i did it wrong
13:00 jcamins        Otherwise, go through the instructions on this page http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Moving_an_installation_from_a_regular_install_to_the_Debian_packages starting from "Backup" again.
12:59 haris          if no?
12:59 jcamins        If you would like to continue using a tarball install, then yes.
12:59 haris          using tarball install?
12:59 haris          so I have to reinstall it again?
12:59 haris          ok.
12:57 jcamins        The instructions you were following were how to switch to a package install.
12:56 jcamins        Using a tarball install.
12:56 haris          but my site is up and running
12:56 jcamins        If you follow the instructions under the heading "Get your site up and running," that will create your site.
12:56 haris          the problem is that there in
12:55 jcamins        There's the problem.
12:55 haris          there is nothing inside of sites
12:55 haris          no
12:54 jcamins        Okay. Does that file exist?
12:54 haris          I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml" 14:52:19-15/01 [fatal] Could not parse /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml
12:53 jcamins        Now run `zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml`
12:53 jcamins        Just so long as you're koha-koha.
12:53 jcamins        That's fine.
12:53 haris          that appears if i type su - koha-koha
12:53 haris          No directory, logging in with HOME=/
12:52 jcamins        The user "koha" is not used.
12:51 jcamins        su - koha-koha
12:51 jcamins        No.
12:51 haris          su koha , you mean?
12:51 jcamins        Okay, switch to koha-koha.
12:51 jcamins        Ummm...
12:50 haris          Sorry, user root is not allowed to execute '/usr/bin/zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml' as koha-koha:koha-koha on "site"
12:50 jcamins        You could also su - to koha-koha and just run the command directly.
12:50 jcamins        You can run that command as root. That's what the `sudo -u...` is for.
12:49 haris          this needs to run it as koha user?
12:49 jcamins        Run `sudo -u koha-koha -g koha-koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml`
12:48 haris          ok
12:48 jcamins        So the next thing to do is to try running the zebra daemon with the configuration file you want.
12:47 jcamins        Okay.
12:47 haris          yes
12:47 jcamins        Including the koha-rebuild-zebra step?
12:46 haris          yes
12:46 jcamins        Did you follow the instructions all the way through to the end?
12:45 jcamins        That is not the right koha-conf.xml.
12:45 jcamins        Ah.
12:45 haris          as root
12:44 haris          this is the command that i type
12:44 jcamins        Okay.
12:44 haris          zebrasrv-2.0  -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
12:43 jcamins        And are you running the daemon command or the zebrasrv command directly?
12:42 haris          root
12:42 jcamins        When you say it works from the terminal, what user are you running Zebra as?
12:42 wahanui        hmmm... only this is a neverending story somehow
12:42 haris          only this
12:42 haris          root     14205  0.0  0.0   3300   748 pts/3    S+   14:40   0:00 grep zebra
12:41 jcamins        And you get no output from koha-start-zebra?
12:40 jcamins        Thinking...
12:40 haris          any other idea?
12:39 jcamins        Hrm.
12:39 haris          but there is a message that "Stopping Zebra server for koha daemon: fatal: failed to stop the koha-koha-zebra daemon: No such process "
12:39 jcamins        Yes.
12:39 haris          to see if the pid running
12:39 haris          i did it, then try sudo koha-stop-zebra koha
12:37 haris          when i change the permissions, next run "sudo koha-start-zebra koha" ?
12:36 jcamins        khall++
12:35 jcamins        That is one of the "features" that I am not so fond of.
12:35 jcamins        Every time you start Zebra successfully, it forcibly changes the ownership on all your files.
12:34 jcamins        Okay, so `sudo chown -R koha-koha /var/lib/koha/koha/* /var/run/koha/koha/*`
12:34 haris          and I did it
12:34 haris          I read that /var/log/koha      /var/run/koha     /var/lock/koha   must have koha permission
12:33 haris          koha
12:33 haris          in which folders and what kind of permission
12:33 jcamins        What's the instance called?
12:32 jcamins        This supports my permissions theory.
12:32 haris          but I can't have the terminal open
12:32 vfernandes     the new po's are already up?
12:32 vfernandes     hi :)
12:32 haris          manually I can start zebra server
12:31 jcamins        Okay.
12:31 haris          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Moving_an_installation_from_a_regular_install_to_the_Debian_packages
12:31 haris          follow this guide
12:30 jcamins        But how? Packages?
12:30 haris          and I updated to 3.8.6
12:30 haris          I had a 3 version of koha
12:30 haris          and "sudo koha-start-zebra instance"
12:30 jcamins        How did you install Koha?
12:30 jcamins        Okay, that's the same script.
12:29 haris          and also i tried from " sudo koha-start-zebra"
12:29 haris          I am trying to start it from /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
12:29 jcamins        You're starting Zebra using koha-zebra-ctl.sh?
12:28 jcamins        Most likely, the problem is permissions.
12:28 jcamins        Got it. :)
12:28 haris          no
12:28 haris          i am trying to understand why now the zebra server can't start
12:28 jcamins        So ps aux | grep zebra does not give any output.
12:28 jcamins        I see.
12:27 haris          this is the ps aux | grep zebra of a previous snapshot of my system that it worked
12:27 jcamins        How do you know?
12:27 haris          the zebra daemon can't start
12:27 findus         Thank you very much so far, I'll be back when I'm stuck again :)
12:27 jcamins        haris: what are you trying to do?
12:27 haris          koha      1978  0.0  0.0   2152   356 ?        S     2012   0:00 daemon --name=koha-zebra-ctl.koha --errlog=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.err --stdout=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.log --output=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=koha.koha -- /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml koha
12:26 haris          yes I am doing it now
12:25 wahanui        "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
12:25 jcamins_away   haris: first question?
12:25 kf             haris: you can paste things like that to paste.koha-community.org if you want
12:25 jcamins_away   ^^ those are the canonical package instructions for both Debian and Ubuntu.
12:24 wahanui        well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:24 haris          I have done ps aux | grep zebra and I have some results. Can we find what is the command of zebra server that is running?
12:24 jcamins_away   packages?
12:24 magnuse        for installing packages ion ubuntu: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
12:24 findus         :)
12:24 findus         ask away
12:23 haris          Can I ask something?
12:22 findus         learn it the hard way :s
12:22 findus         All manually
12:22 findus         No I have decided to do it from the beginning... I'm a bit slow ;)
12:20 kf             does it mean it worked? or where are you stuck now?
12:20 findus         A tiny link maybe.. :)
12:18 findus         :)
12:18 findus         :=
12:18 findus         hmm... It was done in the earlier version, and the guide I've found doesn't mention anything about it so..... Anyboby know any good and thorough guides.
12:14 magnuse        koha-list should tell you if there are any instances
12:14 magnuse        ah
12:13 findus         well it should have ;)
12:12 findus         it has been done
12:12 magnuse        yay!
12:12 findus         Anyway. I'm trying the manual way. With ubuntu 12.04.1 and koha 3.10. Well see hoe far I get :)
12:12 magnuse        are you using koha-create to create an instance, or is that done for you?
12:10 findus         I think you're right... Wonder why it doesn't complete the installation...
12:07 magnuse        i'm pretty sure koha-conf.xml.in is a template that is used to create koha-conf.xml files
12:06 * magnuse      waves to findus (from norway)
11:49 findus         That's nice. Thanks :)
11:49 kf             we can try to help if you run into problems
11:48 findus         But thanks, I'll get right on it :)
11:47 findus         admin page?
11:46 findus         will the koha page show then?
11:46 kf             a2dissite default
11:46 findus         ohh
11:46 drojf          then you need to disable the default page of apache
11:45 findus         thanks :) I only got the "It works page showing"
11:44 drojf          we can help with that
11:44 drojf          that wiki page is not 100% up to date but 3.8 ("oldstable") is what you would be looking for at the moment i suppose
11:44 findus         Last time i got stuck on how to bring up the admin page..
11:44 kf             findus: it's really easy with some help and it will save you headaches long term :)
11:43 findus         a fujitzu primergy tx1000 someting
11:43 wahanui        well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:43 drojf          packages?
11:43 drojf          then a package installation should be easy to do :)
11:43 findus         yep
11:43 drojf          do you have a linux server you can use? preferably running debian linux?
11:42 drojf          :)
11:42 findus         :)
11:42 findus         but I can follow a discription
11:42 findus         not much'
11:42 findus         actually i did try the manual way
11:42 drojf          do you have experience with linux?
11:41 findus         :)
11:41 findus         newbie'
11:41 drojf          hi findus. why are you using a live dvd?
11:41 kf             findus: what's the blocker for you to using th epackages?
11:40 kf             he is struggling with the live dvd
11:39 findus         yep
11:39 kf             may I introduce you to findus from demark?
11:39 drojf          hi kf
11:39 findus         hi
11:39 kf             hi drojf
11:39 drojf          good day #koha
11:39 kf             and you installed it from cd before?
11:39 findus         :(
11:39 findus         but I can't find the cd'
11:39 kf             not that old then :)
11:39 kf             ah ok
11:39 findus         3.4 i think
11:39 findus         hmmm..
11:39 kf             which version is the older version?
11:38 kf             ah ok
11:38 findus         different pc too
11:38 kf             ah ok, so this is an update?
11:38 findus         yes on a older version
11:38 kf             the koha installtion I mean?
11:38 kf             ah so you had it working once?
11:38 findus         yep
11:38 kf             with the live dvd?
11:37 findus         it all started with getting the languages files to work...
11:37 kf             I am in germany :)
11:36 kf             ah
11:36 findus         Denmark
11:36 findus         :D
11:36 findus         oh no :d
11:36 kf             where are you located?
11:36 kf             where packges are really most comfortable for updating
11:36 kf             package installation, git installation, tarball installation
11:35 findus         alternatives? :)
11:35 kf             but that's my opinion :)
11:35 kf             for a production system I would take some time and take a look at alternatives beside the live cds
11:34 kf             it's always a bit hard to tell
11:34 kf             so if you come here with a question regariding the installation
11:34 kf             the problem with them is that we (the developers) are not aware how they work
11:34 kf             htere have been lots of live dvds and cds in the past
11:34 findus         Ist for a local school..
11:34 kf             koha I mean
11:33 kf             what do you want to use it for?
11:33 findus         there are lots'
11:33 kf             using 3.10 is totally the right version
11:33 findus         no
11:33 kf             I would recommend using the packages really
11:33 findus         do you know where to dl an older version?
11:32 kf             is it the only file?
11:32 kf             I am surry, it might be a change they made
11:32 kf             hm
11:31 findus         http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivedvd/
11:30 kf             where did you download it from?
11:30 findus         Well i comes fully loaded with xubuntu
11:29 kf             on which OS are you installing?
11:29 wahanui        somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:29 kf             packages?
11:29 kf             it's very comfortable
11:29 kf             could it be an option for you to install using the packages instead?
11:29 kf             so I don't know what the newest is :)
11:28 findus         3.10 right?
11:28 kf             sorr,y there are a few people who have provided live dvds
11:28 findus         the newest
11:28 kf             hm which live dvd are you using?
11:28 findus         No matter what pc I installl the live-dvd on... strange
11:27 kf             findus: hm sorry, never seen that
11:26 findus         Hi. does anybody know why my koha-conf.xml has a 'in' extension on it.? " /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml.in"
11:23 kf             thx for the patch for 9391
11:23 kf             Joubu++
11:22 haris          i think that I have an instance that is just called "koha"
11:21 haris          i follow this guide of the link you send me
11:21 haris          this is what I done in upgrade
11:20 * magnuse      gotta run
11:20 magnuse        *involved
11:20 magnuse        it's probably incomplete and might be a bit outdated, but it should give you an idea of the kinds of operations invoved
11:19 magnuse        haris: these are some notes i took when i moved an installation from a "regular install" (your 3.0 installation) to the packages (koha-common): http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Moving_an_installation_from_a_regular_install_to_the_Debian_packages
11:18 haris          thanks again
11:18 haris          I'll be back in a while
11:18 haris          ok. thank you very much
11:17 magnuse        let me see if i can find something oon the wiki
11:17 magnuse        ok. but you can't just upgrade from 3.0 to an installation running off koha-common
11:17 haris          is it necessary to create instances?
11:16 magnuse        if those two commands gave no output you have not created any instances
11:16 haris          I just find the system as it was and I upgraded
11:16 haris          I don't remember if I did "koha-create"
11:15 haris          nothing appeared
11:15 haris          ok
11:14 magnuse        and "sudo koha-list"
11:14 magnuse        try "sudo ls /etc/koha/sites/"
11:14 magnuse        if you never ran "koha-create" there will be no zebra to start or stop
11:13 magnuse        hm, did you create in instance to begin with?
11:13 haris          does not show anything except the grep zebra
11:13 haris          but when I type ps aux | grep zebra
11:12 haris          i did this and it appeared a message that zebra server started
11:12 haris          "sudo koha-start-zebra <instancename>"
11:11 magnuse        you gave it a name when you did "koha-create"
11:11 haris          what we call instance?
11:10 magnuse        so "sudo koha-start-zebra mylib" if your instance is called "mylib"
11:10 magnuse        "sudo koha-start-zebra <instancename>"
11:10 magnuse        oh, you might have done it right, but i forgot to point out that all those commands should have the name of the instance at the end
11:09 haris          the message was that no process is running
11:09 haris          i tried sudo koha-restart-zebra
11:09 magnuse        try "sudo koha-stop-zebra"?
11:08 haris          it was like nothing done
11:08 haris          when i typed the "sudo koha-start-zebra"  command, there was no error
11:07 haris          in ps aux | grep zebra,  does not show anything
11:07 magnuse        any error messages?
11:07 haris          i have done this command "sudo koha-start-zebra" without success
11:06 magnuse        on the command line you can do "man <command-name>" for up to date instructions on how to use the commands
11:05 magnuse        "sudo koha-start-zebra" would be the most relevant one, i guess
11:05 magnuse        haris: if you are using the packages you could try the commands provided by koha-common: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#Zebra-related
11:04 magnuse        \o/
11:03 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.10.x build #46: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/46/
11:03 jenkins_koha   Yippie, build fixed!
10:54 haris          ?
10:54 haris          any idea
10:45 haris          I have done an upgrade from 3.0.0 to 3.8.6 doing apt-get install koha-common
10:43 magnuse        haris: how are you doing the installation? packages (recommended), tarball, git?
10:29 haris          the problem is that the daemon can't start, but when i run the command zebrasrv-2.0 -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml  the zebra starts but when i close the terminal, closes too the zebra server. I read a thread how to daemonize zebra create symbolink link to /etc/init.d with no success
10:25 huginn         magnuse: The operation succeeded.
10:25 magnuse        @later tell wizzyrea: you might want to update your entry on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars :-)
10:22 jenkins_koha   Starting build #46 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #43 2 days 15 hr ago)
10:16 H              ok thx for reacting its not a disaster prob. no one goes that deep
10:15 gerundio       ultimately you could hide it with some javascript/CSS I guess
10:15 gerundio       besides having 3 combos is one of the things that make this an advanced search
10:14 gerundio       I don't think it's possible to customize the advanced search form like that
10:13 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
10:13 gerundio       your question, if I understand it right, is if it's possible to change the default value of the 1st combo to something else?
10:13 jenkins_koha   Chris Cormack: Bug 7143 updating history and about page
10:13 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #257: FIXED in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/257/
10:13 jenkins_koha   Yippie, build fixed!
10:12 gerundio       it seems that the default behavior of the advanced search feature
10:11 gerundio       H, sorry for the delay, I'm cought up in some tasks here
10:04 haris          what can I do ?
10:04 haris          I would like to ask something. I have install koha 3.8.6 in debian and I can't start the service of zebra in /etc/init.d/"name of daemon"
10:03 H              as i dont use 2 or 3 of them putting them off would be handy :)
10:03 H              or is that always that list
10:02 H              hey
10:02 H              list
10:02 haris          hello to everyone
10:02 H              in advaced search -> more options you get -> 3 dropdown boxes with keyword in it ... can i change the ist in the dropdown box
10:00 H              ok
09:50 gerundio       H, sorry, can't figure out what you mean "seach for list", care to explain?
09:34 jenkins_koha   Starting build #257 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #253 2 days 13 hr ago)
09:15 H              question : In the advanced search -- more options --- is the search for list changable ? ... can i add/remove options somewhere ?
09:13 H              Morning Koha
08:54 magnuse        yay
08:54 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -32.0°C (9:20 AM CET on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -36.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:54 magnuse        @wunder rrs
08:53 huginn         magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:53 magnuse        @wunder røros, norway
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08:23 * magnuse      did not have any doubts about that :-)
08:22 rangi          yeah, clearing out space, it will come right
08:21 magnuse        rangi: side effect of your rejigging? :-)
08:21 jenkins_koha   Starting build #45 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #43 2 days 13 hr ago)
08:20 magnuse        kf: Project Koha_3.10.x build #44: FAILURE in 29 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/44/
08:19 rangi          yep
08:19 kf             hm?
08:19 magnuse        oops, that was a quick fail for 3.10.x...
08:19 * magnuse      waves back
08:19 * kf           waves at #koha
08:18 magnuse        hiya reiveune
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08:10 reiveune       hi rangi, magnuse :)
08:10 rangi          hi reiveune and gaetan_B
08:04 gaetan_B       hello
07:57 reiveune       hello
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06:51 magnuse        [off] http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1987/02/09
06:50 magnuse        cait: sure!
06:47 cait           hm and a fireplace too? :)
06:46 * magnuse      sends cait some logs for the fire
06:44 magnuse        hiya cait
06:44 cait           brr
06:44 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.0°C (7:40 AM CET on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
06:44 cait           @wunder Konstanz
06:44 cait           morning magnuse :)
06:40 huginn         magnuse: downloading the Perl source
06:40 magnuse        huginn: you could also mention that my whole world is pretty much glazed with rain that has frozen on the ground...
06:39 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
06:39 magnuse        @wunder boo
06:39 magnuse        kia ora rangi
06:38 wahanui        magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
06:38 rangi          heya magnuse
06:37 * magnuse      waves
06:33 jenkins_koha   Starting build #255 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:32 rangi          hi cait
06:29 cait           morning rangi
06:24 rangi          yep, i was just teasing
06:17 ibeardslee     ultimately the Academy is all win for all
05:53 rangi          hmmm
05:37 * rangi        rejigs some things
05:37 rangi          hmm running out of space on jenkins
04:40 jenkins_koha   Starting build #1007 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:40 * jcamins      calls it a night and heads for bed, still grumbling.
04:39 * jcamins      grouches about people ignoring his dictates.
04:36 jcamins        I did.
04:36 jcamins        Oh, hey.
04:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
04:35 jcamins        I could've sworn I pushed bug 7067.
04:33 jcamins        And if I run out, there are lots of bugs sitting at signed off.
04:33 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9215' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=67a630e81fa8b72dd1ae454f2f0f300a07bc0f8e> / Bug 9215 - non translatable string in manage-marc-import <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=67ad61070e7a4d011fee08ce33e308b2c3a9be6e> / Merge branch 'bug_9182' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6419
04:33 rangi          sweet
04:33 jenkins_koha   Starting build #254 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:32 jcamins        Okay, five patches that passed QA for me to deal with next time I'm at a computer.
04:04 rangi          nope, cos it still had to get a sign off and a qa signoff .. so that just means we were even with mahara at that point :)
04:03 ibeardslee     oh and does that mean we should postdate a handcap for koha from the first academy for having the RM in the same room? ;)
04:02 jcamins        And mahara gets a handicap for having a release team in your time zone.
04:01 rangi          ;)
04:01 rangi          ibeardslee: tahts cos there is no peer review, or qa, or release manager for the android project ... they should get a 3 day handicap
03:51 jcamins        And it's eleven.
03:51 jcamins        Spec's done.
03:38 wizzyrea       the koha app looks to get some nice improvements though, kinda excited about that
03:30 wizzyrea       WHAT uncool.
03:26 ibeardslee     looks like koha is aiming for the bronze medal
03:13 wizzyrea       looool
03:13 ibeardslee     louder please
03:12 * wizzyrea     laughs evilly
03:12 * MrAgent075   asks if he shall deliver the 'goods'.
03:10 * wizzyrea     makes poison cookies
03:09 * wizzyrea     has no shame
02:52 MrAgent075     soo evil... xD
02:48 jcamins        lol
02:48 eythian        and poison those cookies.
02:46 jcamins        wizzyrea: bribe the Mahara team with cookies.
02:46 wizzyrea       lol
02:46 wizzyrea       jcamins we just lost :(
02:40 wizzyrea       ok ok ok
02:40 jcamins        [off] We also have improved authority overlay at stake!
02:40 wizzyrea       mahara is winning :(
02:40 wizzyrea       WE HAVE PRIDE AT STAKE HERE!!!
02:40 eythian        proprosal schmoposal
02:38 wizzyrea       <3 thank you
02:37 jcamins        Once I've finished writing this proposal I will take a look. :)
02:37 wizzyrea       but ... new developer :D
02:37 wizzyrea       it's super trivial.
02:36 * wizzyrea     signed it off
02:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9179 trivial, P5 - low, ---, agent.075, Signed Off , Incorrect capitalization in serials-collection.pl
02:36 wizzyrea       bug 9179
02:36 wizzyrea       ping jcamins
02:36 jcamins        bag: perhaps you're in the mood to sign off? :)
02:36 jcamins        MrAgent075++
02:35 * MrAgent075   just made 2 bugs go away. He is very Happy with himself.
02:13 bag            boring kind of game
01:28 jcamins        Ouch!
01:20 eythian        :<
01:20 eythian        my $sql    = $input->param('sql');  # FIXME: use sql from saved report ID#, not new user-supplied SQL!
01:11 cjh            jcamins: was just checking :)
01:11 cjh            \o/
01:07 jcamins        cjh: yeah, I didn't have a preference about heading level.
01:06 cjh            fwiw the difference is the heading level for "The barcode was not found"
00:01 rambutan       no opinion (OK, maybe just ever so slight for #1)