Time  Nick         Message
23:46 jcamins      Yup.
23:45 cait_away    wow, it even brought back rangi from his vacation
23:39 cait_away    i thik it crept back a bit even :(
23:38 gmcharlt     jcamins_away: it's a very persistent zombie
23:35 jcamins_away ... we still use CGI::scrolling_list?
23:20 cjh_         tdattetakere: haha badluck!
23:20 cjh_         http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+IRC+General+Meeting&iso=20130109T10
23:19 tdattetakere Thanks cjh - last month I got my time conversion wrong and was a day early
23:14 cjh_         tdattetakere: yes
23:13 tdattetakere Our IRC is 11pm tonight, NZ Time isn't it?
23:12 wizzyrea     :) I'm not much bothered by any kind of weather except "ungodly, hellish, hot"
23:11 tdattetakere You're enjoying Windy Wellington then wizzyrea?
23:04 wizzyrea     )
23:04 wizzyrea     (having personally experienced "worse"
23:04 eythian      heh
23:04 * wizzyrea   can now say for certain that "this wind is pants... but it could be worse"
22:55 BobB         :)
22:54 eythian      also, happy new year :)
22:53 cait_away    happy new year :)
22:53 eythian      well, it doesn't mention the 40-gusting-to-65-kph winds :)
22:53 BobB         Decent.  Hi eythian, hi cait_away, happy new year!
22:52 huginn       eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
22:52 eythian      @wunder nzwn
22:52 BobB         Huh, half what it was yesterday.  Phew.
22:52 cait_away    hi BobB
22:52 huginn       BobB: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (9:30 AM EST on January 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
22:52 BobB         @wunder Sydney New South Wales
22:52 BobB         Good morning all.
22:46 jcamins      Time to go pick up our veggies.
22:23 wahanui      eythian: excuse me?
22:23 eythian      wahanui: perlfaq test
22:23 bartsimpson  jcamins: Thanks i'll have a look at that :)
22:21 jcamins      bartsimpson: sounds like PERL5LIB isn't set.
22:20 bartsimpson  Hello everyone, I tried running a unit test in a terminal window and got the error"Can't locate C4/TmplTokenType.pm in @INC" last time I tried this it worked and I haven't edited it since, any advise would be appreciated :)
22:17 eythian      sneaky
22:17 wahanui      eythian: i'm not following you...
22:17 eythian      wahanui: 30/0.0
22:17 wahanui      30
22:17 eythian      wahanui: 30/1
22:17 wahanui       2.1
22:17 cait_away    (77-70)*6/20
22:17 wahanui      eythian: what?
22:17 eythian      wahanui: 30/0
22:17 cait_away    ah
22:17 wahanui      56
22:17 cait_away    wahanui: 77-70*6/20
22:17 eythian      I think if you use 'I' or 'me' or 'you' or something like that, it replaces it with your name when storing the message, but that's about it.
22:16 wizzyrea     it would be funny to regurgitate who said the original thing.
22:16 eythian      I don't think so, no
22:16 wizzyrea     does he keep track of who said things?
22:15 wizzyrea     :O
22:15 eythian      that'll have to do for now
22:15 wahanui      okay, eythian.
22:15 eythian      no wahanui, inappropriate is <reply>But I heard rangi say it!
22:15 wizzyrea     lol now THAT is funny.
22:15 wahanui      But I heard jcamins say it!
22:15 jcamins      wizzyrea: inappropriate
22:15 wizzyrea     aw I was hoping
22:14 wizzyrea     jcamins! inappropriate!
22:14 * wizzyrea   tries something
22:14 wahanui      But I heard wizzyrea say it!
22:14 wizzyrea     wahanui: inappropriate!
22:14 eythian      hmm
22:14 eythian      oh I thought that was random
22:13 wahanui      But I heard eythian say it!
22:13 eythian      wahanui: inappropriate
22:13 wahanui      But I heard eythian say it!
22:13 eythian      wahanui: inappropriate
22:13 wizzyrea     perhaps you meant that
22:13 wahanui      OK, eythian.
22:13 eythian      wahanui: inappropriate is <reply>But I heard $who say it!
22:13 wizzyrea     nah, why would you make it do anything helpful like that
22:13 jcamins      It should indeed.
22:13 eythian      it should give you an error in that case.
22:06 jcamins      Oops.
22:05 wizzyrea     neat.
22:05 wizzyrea     on the limits.
22:05 wizzyrea     oh you know, didn't pick a radio button for column
22:05 jcamins      What did you do?
22:05 wizzyrea     fml.
22:05 wizzyrea     seriously. get a coffin.
22:04 * wizzyrea   dies
22:04 wizzyrea     well now I see what I did wrong.
22:04 wizzyrea     no wahanui! inappropriate!
22:04 Dyrcona      :)
22:04 jcamins      Dyrcona: he's like your young cousin who always says awkward things at family parties. ;)
22:03 wizzyrea     you just have to teach him.
22:03 wizzyrea     he's fine.
22:03 wizzyrea     no he is a learning bot
22:03 Dyrcona      Seems like your bot is a bit troublesome.....
22:03 jcamins      Circulation statistics with Period selected as the row and limited from 29/12/2003 to 08/01/2013 and Library as the column.
22:02 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot which one
22:02 wizzyrea     forget which one
22:02 wahanui      i heard which one was 3.6.x?
22:02 wizzyrea     and which one
22:02 wizzyrea     so, what parameters did you use
22:02 jcamins      I never knew that those were usable.
22:02 jcamins      Cool.
22:02 wizzyrea     !!!!!!
22:02 wizzyrea     !!
22:01 jcamins      Actually, it works fine for me.
22:00 * wizzyrea   grumbles
22:00 wizzyrea     perhaps I ought to test that.
22:00 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7679 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Statistics wizard: circulation (new filters)
22:00 wizzyrea     bug 7679 see the testing notes
21:59 jcamins      Maybe their patches make them work.
21:59 jcamins      True.
21:59 wizzyrea     wizards.
21:59 wizzyrea     to the wizars.
21:59 wizzyrea     but I think biblibre is still doing patches, so theirs must work
21:59 jcamins      The last few times it was brought up, someone or other objected.
21:59 jcamins      I would think so.
21:59 wizzyrea     then we should take them OUT.
21:59 wizzyrea     I should go back to bed.
21:59 jcamins      I always understood that none of the report wizards worked at all.
21:59 wizzyrea     I think not but wtf do I know.
21:58 wizzyrea     am I doing it wrong?
21:58 wizzyrea     (obv that shot is from master)
21:58 wizzyrea     and this is in 3.6+
21:57 wizzyrea     it always gives 0 no matter what
21:57 wizzyrea     even if I have circs
21:56 wizzyrea     Seriously, does this work for anybody: http://imgur.com/Vp101
21:54 eythian      no, that's not your problem.
21:54 eythian      > I' am currently using koha 2.2.9 on windows, my problem is when I' am issuing a book to a borrower by giving a particular date [...]
21:49 jcamins      Good. I would like it if tomorrow were better.
21:48 wizzyrea     no no, that should not be an indicator of the future foryou all
21:47 jcamins      wizzyrea: yesterday is almost over for me, and it's been pretty awful.
21:47 cait_away    don't spoil tomorrow for me
21:47 cait_away    oh no
21:47 wizzyrea     today has not yet been all I hoped it would be ;)
21:47 * cait_away  hands wizzyrea the grumpy cookie
21:44 cait_away    http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/funny-food-art-play-12.jpg ? :)
21:41 * wizzyrea   curses
21:40 wizzyrea     no matter the reality
21:40 cait_away    oh
21:40 wizzyrea      0
21:40 wizzyrea     every result is -
21:40 cait_away    wizzyrea: what's broken about it?
21:40 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot meeting
21:40 wizzyrea     forget meeting
21:40 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot numbers
21:40 wizzyrea     forget numbers
21:39 wahanui      numbers are per library?
21:39 cait_away    numbers.
21:39 cait_away    12 hours, 20 mins...
21:39 wizzyrea     so... did I miss the memo on the circ reports wizard being broken?
21:39 cait_away    hm 12:40 mins
21:39 wizzyrea     12 hours?
21:31 cait_away    12.5
21:30 rambutan     uh, are u sure?
21:29 wahanui      meeting is in an hour, right?
21:29 rambutan     wahanui: meeting?
21:25 cait_away    have a nice evening!
21:25 * cait_away  tells the empty spot that was oleonard
21:25 cait_away    now he did that fast leaving thing again...
21:25 oleonard     Whoops, just realized I'm supposed to leave. See you in 12 1/2 hours cait_away
21:24 jcamins      magnuse won't be around for the latter.
21:24 jcamins      drojf might be around.
21:24 oleonard     'A "Developer's handbook" on the wiki?'
21:24 oleonard     "Cleaning bugzilla?!"
21:23 cait_away    ?
21:23 cait_away    what's left then
21:23 cait_away    ugh.
21:23 oleonard     So we can cross updates on 3.8, 3.10, and 3.12 off the agenda? Probably Kohacon2013 too.
21:23 cait_away    ah, I have the killer argument. someone would have to WRITE minutes
21:22 libsysguy    maybe they up it for celebrities
21:22 jcamins      Exactly ten participants, maximum.
21:22 jcamins      So not even theoretically as many as you want.
21:22 libsysguy    but I didn't have any more firends
21:22 libsysguy    I've had a chat with 10
21:22 jcamins      Ten.
21:22 jcamins      I thought that was "theoretically."
21:21 libsysguy    i thought g+ could have as many as you wanted
21:21 libsysguy    i thought it was only limited in skype
21:21 libsysguy    oh?
21:20 jcamins      And you can only have a limited number of participants.
21:20 eythian      Also I'm not sure of a free software way of integrating with them.
21:19 eythian      g+ hangouts are quite nifty, but the objections are correct.
21:19 libsysguy    :p
21:19 libsysguy    okay so it was a bad idea
21:19 cait_away    *shudder*
21:19 cait_away    too many people talking at the same time or trying to
21:18 cait_away    and it's too hard for non native speakers
21:18 cait_away    well and france i guess, norway is travelling
21:18 oleonard     libsysguy: Requiring a Google+ account is too high a barrier to entry
21:18 cait_away    ...
21:18 cait_away    oh yay
21:18 jcamins      So... basically it will be cait, if she isn't busy.
21:18 libsysguy    hangouts*
21:18 libsysguy    we should starting having meetings on google angouts
21:17 eythian      I think that'll be 11pm for me. That's cutting close to bedtime. I'll probably forget anyway, I usually do :)
21:17 oleonard     Your 4AM meeting is my 10PM meeting, so no objections there
21:16 cait_away    I am open for negotiations
21:16 cait_away    if we can get rid of my 4 am meeting
21:16 cait_away    no, I am ok with moving the itmes
21:15 oleonard     Or never having another meeting at 5AM! Except you'd out-vote me.
21:15 cait_away    like naming the releases after cookies
21:14 cait_away    oleonard: quick, we should think about some things we always wnated to vote on :)
21:11 * libsysguy  has a lazy cat
21:11 libsysguy    correction:
21:11 oleonard     Set your cat to wake you up then!
21:11 * libsysguy  just has a cat
21:11 libsysguy    3 kids! holy schmoley
21:10 oleonard     Gotta have myself and 3 kids out the door by 7:15
21:10 libsysguy    :p
21:10 libsysguy    you're a monster oleonard
21:10 * oleonard   gets up at 5 anyway :P
21:10 libsysguy    sorry guys I probably won't be joining you for my bday
21:09 libsysguy    ack 4 my time
21:09 jcamins      5am my time.
21:09 oleonard     5AM tomorrow if you're in Eastern time libsysguy
21:09 libsysguy    what time is the meeting?
21:08 jcamins      I intend to be sleeping soundly.
21:07 oleonard     ...but better than sleeping-soundly-time.
21:07 cait_away    quite late in nz too
21:07 cait_away    hope I won't be there alone then?
21:07 oleonard     Dragging-myself-out-of-bed time, easy to miss.
21:02 cait_away    eythian: work time, should be hard to miss it :)
21:00 cait_away    11 am?
20:59 cait_away    well, or my brain doesn't
20:58 cait_away    I don't care if it should be :P
20:58 eythian      cait_away: aren't you just 1 hour off UTC? It should be easy for you :)
20:56 cait_away    I always mess them up
20:56 cait_away    hm not sure
20:54 oleonard     meeting in 13 hours or so?
20:51 libsysguy    so I will be expecting all the karma :p
20:50 libsysguy    exactly
20:50 cait_away    irc meeting day too
20:50 eythian      today is the 9th, yes :)
20:50 libsysguy    yup
20:50 cait_away    so it's the 9th?
20:50 cait_away    i will wait a little longer then with the wishes - as I am in europe :)
20:50 libsysguy    jan 9, the day of awesome
20:50 cait_away    wow
20:50 libsysguy    awesome
20:49 libsysguy    bag we share a bday with paul_p too?
20:49 bag          :P
20:49 bag          sweet libsysguy and paul_p also share that day with me too
20:49 eythian      bag: happy birthday! (apparently, and in NZ time, anyway :)
20:48 wahanui      what's up, eythian
20:48 eythian      hi
19:54 jcamins      lol
19:53 oleonard     Our internet may be slow, but I'm sure that's nothing compared to the rest of the world with their inferior non-American broadband
19:48 rambutan     Our ISP actually setup a speed test site for Missouri entities (possibly after my posts??).  http://www.speedtest.mobroadbandnow.org/
19:47 wizzyrea     well anyway I have to jet. going to teach librarians about reports
19:47 rambutan     speed tests can vary over short periods of time, I'll sit here an run it 3-5 times per minute
19:46 wizzyrea     (but the upstream provider was on the same network as the speedtest node being checked.)
19:46 oleonard     wizzyrea: Yes.
19:46 rambutan     well, for us I generally can see a correlation
19:46 wizzyrea     oleonard: you have other branches using the same system with no problems, correct?
19:45 oleonard     rambutan: The speedtest.net results were fine... when they checked it before they opened X(
19:45 wizzyrea     in NEKLS case, you coudln't tell anything from speedtest - the problem was that the upstream provider didn't have enough bandwidth.
19:45 jcamins      I'm using the SHA-1 not for security but for generating identifiers that are unlikely to have an inherent meaning.
19:45 rambutan     I typically use speedtest.net to check the connections at those times, and it is generally slower than normal
19:44 wizzyrea     where "library" = the rest of the computer usage/internet usage in the library
19:43 wizzyrea     but the library would be.
19:43 rambutan     yep, know that
19:43 wizzyrea     koha wouldn't be any "busier"
19:43 wizzyrea     so they'd hit the 3pm slowdown
19:43 wizzyrea     bad performance was almost always = poor bandwidth at NEKLS
19:43 rambutan     We pipe our koha connection over a VPN between the two branches.
19:43 rambutan     Not infrequently we have problems with the Internet connection (and thus Koha) between our two branches. That will show as bad Koha response times at the remote branch.
19:43 jcamins      Right.
19:42 tsbere       But the 7 char version is just a truncation, not a different hash, and as such has a bit higher collision rate ;)
19:41 tsbere       I believe so, yes
19:41 jcamins      The shorter the input to a SHA-1 function, the lower the chances of a collision which is not an exact match, right?
19:39 jcamins      Eww.
19:38 tsbere       jcamins: More like "git hopes that the smaller chunk of the SHA-1 is unique". I have run into a couple in the past that were dupes in the 7 char form.
19:36 jcamins      If it's just one branch, I'd look at their workflows.
19:35 oleonard     (as opposed to an internet problem,not that they can tell the difference)
19:35 oleonard     That's what I thought too. We aren't using a proxy. We have one branch which is complaining of slow performance and they keep telling me it's Koha's fault.
19:35 jcamins      Or if they were in the middle of uploading or downloading something, I suppose.
19:34 jcamins      oleonard: it seems unlikely, unless there is a proxy.
19:34 oleonard     Could dodgy internet cause a Koha staff client user to see an Internal Server error?
19:34 jcamins      Hey... git uses a 7-digit short identifier for SHA-1 hashes.
19:31 tsbere       ahhh
19:28 jcamins      tsbere: if you're using a SHA-1 hash for a transaction identifier, you can't really use it as the barcode of the item the transaction is connected to.
19:27 jcamins      (allowed them, anyway)
19:26 * tsbere     wonders why now
19:26 jcamins      I never thought I'd say this, but... I wish we had 40-character barcodes.
19:21 oleonard     That's the problem, it never worked!
19:21 jcamins      Yup.
19:21 oleonard     The auto-responder bot?
19:20 jcamins      oleonard: does it still work? It ran on Windows 95...
19:20 jcamins      lol
19:19 * oleonard   summons the Koha 2.2.9 on windows auto-responder bot
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18:37 libsysguy    yeah i think it is the booksellerinvoicenumber
18:36 * jcamins    promptly aliases it as "fred."
18:36 mmm45        ya, cuz i do not have invoiceid
18:36 libsysguy    ugh I remember cursing that long column
18:35 libsysguy    ^^ thats it
18:35 cait_away    I think it was something like booksellverinvoicenumber
18:35 cait_away    describe aqorders;
18:35 cait_away    you should be able to find the right column name with a
18:35 cait_away    i think it has a ridiculously long name
18:35 libsysguy    wait
18:35 libsysguy    err
18:35 libsysguy    yeah it should be the invoiceid in aqorders that needs updting
18:35 mmm45        i do not have 3.10 yet but am working on upgrading
18:34 cait_away    aqinvoices was introduced with 3.10
18:34 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot cait_away
18:34 jcamins      wahanui: forget cait_away
18:34 cait_away    mmm45: you want to look in aqorders
18:34 wahanui      cait_away is sorry
18:34 libsysguy    hey cait_away
18:34 cait_away    libsysguy: heya
18:34 mmm45        when i go into mysql
18:33 mmm45        do what?
18:33 libsysguy    I'm wondering why you're referencing the db koha and have all the backticks
18:33 mmm45        mysql shell
18:33 libsysguy    are you using the mysql shell or something else?
18:32 wahanui      mmm45: that doesn't look right
18:32 mmm45        and change that for Jan?
18:32 mmm45        do you remember where you used to go
18:32 mmm45        we don't have aqinvoices
18:31 mmm45        t
18:31 mmm45        not ye
18:31 mmm45        nope
18:31 libsysguy    :p
18:31 libsysguy    you mean the librarians at UTT haven't achieved perfection yet?
18:31 mmm45        when she made mistakes
18:31 libsysguy    this is the schema for aqorders http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/aqorders.html
18:31 mmm45        you used to do this for one of the librarians
18:31 mmm45        i don't think so
18:30 libsysguy    is that in some code I wrote?
18:29 mmm45        can you guide me where the invoice numbers would be and what command you used?
18:29 mmm45        in koha v 3.9
18:29 mmm45        i believe you correct invoices on the mysql side
18:29 mmm45        i'm trying to correct an invoice number in mysql but UPDATE `koha`.`aqinvoices` SET `invoicenumber` = '<num>' WHERE   `aqinvoices`.`invoiceid` = <id>; is not working for our version
18:27 wahanui      libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
18:27 mmm45        hey libsysguy
18:20 jcamins      Me too.
18:20 jcamins      lol
18:20 * libsysguy  wishes I had a nickel for every line in Koha he didn't care for
18:19 * libsysguy  carries on
18:18 jcamins      Right.
18:18 * libsysguy  feels like that most of the time :p
18:17 libsysguy    oh so you don't like the parts that were already there