Time  Nick         Message
23:53 wizzyrea     hehehe - I had one of those
23:53 eythian      http://imgur.com/gallery/icYCK
23:47 wizzyrea     man I miss being near-time-zone to oleonard.
23:16 wahanui      i guess sql reports library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
23:16 jcamins      sql reports library?
23:16 jcamins      mib_dwku8a: reports do not require any code changes.
23:16 jcamins      Yay! Success!
23:16 rangi        oh cool
23:15 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7919 critical, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes)
23:15 eythian      http://www.tubalr.com/ <-- rangi (et al)
23:15 jenkins_koha jonathan.druart: Bug 7919: FIX the "all" categories method
23:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1001: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1001/
23:13 jcamins      ^^ start at the very beginning
23:13 wahanui      rumour has it git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
23:13 jcamins      git?
23:13 mib_dwku8a   is true but my jobs need a lot of reports and features i dont know how to begin
23:13 jcamins      A lot of people have tried just fixing their own installations, and almost all of them have ended up on #koha asking for help with upgrading.
23:12 jcamins      I speak from experience.
23:11 jcamins      I promise you, you will run into way more problems doing that than by fixing problems and contributing them back to Koha.
23:11 jcamins      That's not a good way to do things.
23:10 mib_dwku8a   i know, but i have fix a lot of things and i dont know is really 100%
23:10 jcamins      What is the problem you have encountered?
23:10 jcamins      And if it is a bug, the fix will probably be backported to 3.10.x.
23:10 jcamins      If you have patched a bug, you should contribute your patch to the community.
23:09 jcamins      Depending on what you are looking for, you may not need to wait that long.
23:09 mib_dwku8a   im making mi own fix with the software until may
23:08 jcamins      Why?
23:08 jcamins      Ish.
23:08 jcamins      Yes. May 22.
23:08 mib_dwku8a      3.12
23:08 * wizzyrea   was going only for feature releases
23:08 jcamins      3.8.whatever will also be released January 22, 2013.
23:07 eythian      depends which release you mean, really
23:07 jcamins      mib_dwku8a: 3.12.0 will be released May 22, 2013. 3.10.2 will be released January 22, 2013.
23:07 wizzyrea     May 2013, I think.
23:07 mib_dwku8a   Do you know went is the next release of Koha
23:06 wizzyrea     hi there
23:06 mib_dwku8a   Hello people!
22:59 huginn       moodaepo: The current temperature in Pace Academy, Atlanta, Georgia is 7.3°C (5:47 PM EST on January 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
22:59 moodaepo     @wunder Atlanta, GA
22:18 rangi        cool
22:17 jcamins      Yes.
22:17 rangi        7919 wont apply on 3.10.x but I think that is ok eh?
22:17 jcamins      Okay, it's the display.
22:14 eythian      maybe do that today
22:14 eythian      it is. been meaning to send in a patch.
22:14 jcamins      (but a different one)
22:14 jcamins      Well, that's probably also a bug.
22:13 eythian      the bug I usually see is that I can't not have regular en, even if something else is selected.
22:13 eythian      oh
22:13 jcamins      I can't switch to regular en.
22:13 jcamins      I'm seeing a rather strange bug.
22:13 eythian      jcamins: and if you're asking "does it not work right", I'd have to say "yes"
22:12 jcamins      eythian: I meant, right now.
22:12 eythian      jcamins: yeah, sometimes
22:12 jcamins      Does anyone else have an en-* translation installed?
22:11 libsysguy    let me see if it still fires with that
22:10 libsysguy    ahh okay thats better
22:10 rangi        ah yep
22:10 jcamins_away I meant the Plack socket.
22:10 rangi        we dont make the socket
22:10 jcamins_away We should probably make the socket 660, actually.
22:07 eythian      yeah
22:07 rangi        srw-rw-rw- 1 ashs-koha ashs-koha 0 Dec  2 02:42 /var/run/koha/ashs/bibliosocket
22:06 eythian      ah right
22:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #1001 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:06 rangi        and authoritysocket
22:06 rangi        bibliosocket
22:06 eythian      what socket is 666 anyway?
22:04 libsysguy    ah
22:04 rangi        not anything we did
22:04 rangi        if the zebra one is 666 it will be zebrasrv doing that for the socket
22:04 eythian      eh? pid files don't go in lock
22:01 libsysguy    I suppose it would be a better idea to put the pid file in lock
22:00 jcamins_away libsysguy: I hope not.
21:59 libsysguy    yeah I thought I might…does the zebra script really use 666
21:59 jcamins_away 664 would be better, if the socket doesn't need +x.
21:59 libsysguy    i 775-ed it :p
21:59 rangi        just making sure you ignore that idea
21:59 rangi        i know, you are being told to though ;)
21:58 libsysguy    it**
21:58 libsysguy    i didn't 666 is
21:58 rangi        are we insane?
21:58 rangi        666?
21:58 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7919' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c27a9818561698a04bbf8ac553d8448686efbddd> / Bug 7919: FIX the "all" categories method <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7dacc32501fc890235624752407c71a9f1be1b0e>
21:54 jcamins_away libsysguy: nah, I don't see any reason to disable it.
21:54 wizzyrea     i like getting the commit message.
21:54 cait         I agree
21:54 eythian      it doesn't really matter if you end up with five of them on a bug
21:54 eythian      the commit message is a good thing, I think.
21:54 libsysguy    you tired of getting my update emails jcamins_away
21:53 jcamins_away libsysguy: it would be possible to modify git-bz.
21:53 libsysguy    or not add the commit message every time
21:52 cait         ... or correct typos
21:52 * libsysguy  wishes there was a way to delete comments in bz
21:51 libsysguy    ah
21:51 eythian      yes, that's because it's updating your apt-file database
21:51 libsysguy    im running update-control
21:51 libsysguy    eythian: when I run apt-file update I get the 3 packages I added and a time counter of some kind
21:51 cait         and we will see what happens... probably nothing.
21:51 cait         lol
21:51 wizzyrea     ok cool
21:51 cait         one each
21:51 cait         for both
21:51 cait         wizzyrea: I filed a bug
21:50 libsysguy    and the only thing I had run was a make
21:50 eythian      I don't think make regenerates the control file
21:50 libsysguy    I didn't know what compiled it
21:50 libsysguy    i didn't, I did re-run make
21:50 * wizzyrea   notes that listening to IRC is simply madness.
21:49 eythian      and also, does apt-file behave when you do it by hand?
21:49 wizzyrea     lol.
21:49 cait         not you whanui!
21:49 eythian      libsysguy: did you re-run debian/update-control again?
21:49 wahanui      cait: I forgot alphabet
21:49 cait         wizzyrea: forget the alphabet
21:49 cait         both
21:49 * wizzyrea   is confused.
21:49 wizzyrea     oh wait the alphabet thing?
21:49 cait         yep
21:49 wizzyrea     and it's still broken?
21:49 cait         wizzyrea: yes?
21:49 wizzyrea     cait did you try it with the patch for 7919?
21:49 rangi        hmm
21:48 libsysguy    hey rangi after running apt-file update I still have all the EEEK errors...
21:35 eythian      fair enough
21:34 cait         but not tonight
21:34 cait         i know
21:34 eythian      git bisect will help you find it
21:32 cait         so somewhere between now and 3.8
21:32 cait         wizzyrea: rtested in 3.10 - the empty search doens't work there too *sigh*
21:32 eythian      it'll at least improve it
21:32 libsysguy    TIL about apt-file
21:32 libsysguy    so after apt-file update it should fix debian/control
21:32 eythian      yeah, you have to install it :)
21:31 libsysguy    well I feel dumb…I was like apt-file doesn't work…oh I have to get it with apt-get :p
21:30 libsysguy    well none of these are in sid ;)
21:30 eythian      There is one that won't be found. It's non-essential and we have no license to redistribute it, so it's never going to go in.
21:30 eythian      also, if you have the debian.koha-community.org repo in place, it'll see all the ones in there (which are a few that aren't in the main repo)
21:30 rangi        but we wont be able to build packages until they are :)
21:30 rangi        well you can
21:29 rangi        and if they aren't in squeeze, you cant add them to that file anyway, until they are packaged for squeeze
21:29 eythian      apt-file update specifically
21:29 libsysguy    is that a regular package command?
21:29 rangi        try that
21:29 libsysguy    I did not
21:29 rangi        did you run apt-file
21:28 libsysguy    and CGI::Compile
21:28 libsysguy    CGI::Emulate::PSGI
21:28 libsysguy    just the deps I added
21:28 rangi        222	 EEEK: unknown package for Class::Accessor,
21:28 libsysguy    not all the ones listed in my foobared file
21:28 rangi        EEEK: unknown package for CGI,
21:27 libsysguy    hehehe
21:27 libsysguy    no
21:27 * libsysguy  ducks
21:27 rangi        wanna bet
21:27 libsysguy    lies :p
21:27 rangi        barring i think 3 or 4
21:27 rangi        nope they are all in squeeze
21:27 libsysguy    they are in backports :'(
21:27 wizzyrea     you know the one.
21:27 libsysguy    because they aren't in main for deb
21:27 * wizzyrea   gives libsysguy "the eye"
21:27 libsysguy    i did install those modules via cpan
21:26 libsysguy    :D
21:26 cait         quite tired tonight and sometimes not sure if I am imagining things or doing something stupid :)
21:26 rangi        instead of properly via packages :)
21:26 rangi        and or you installed those modules via cpan
21:26 cait         no, thank you for confirming
21:26 wizzyrea     cool ty
21:26 cait         it will make things abit better I hope, and then maybe a new bug for the regression
21:26 rangi        you didnt run apt-file
21:26 wizzyrea     7919
21:25 wizzyrea     but yea, qa that
21:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9337 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Alphabet for browsing patrons by last name not visible after performing a patron search
21:25 cait         bug 9337
21:25 wizzyrea     for categories, with that patch on
21:25 cait         ah no, I have filed that separately
21:25 wizzyrea     the patron search works
21:25 cait         I will check he logs
21:25 wizzyrea     the alphabet thing isn't
21:25 cait         ok
21:25 cait         hm
21:25 wizzyrea     naw, it's not related to that
21:25 libsysguy    link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=14371&action=diff
21:25 cait         I will try to qa the patch on 7919 andnote that we will need another fix
21:25 libsysguy    however, I noticed after a git add -u I get a whole lot of crap in debian/control
21:25 cait         wizzyrea: I agree
21:24 libsysguy    and rebuilt
21:24 libsysguy    I added some deps to Installer/PerlDependencies.pm
21:24 libsysguy    I need some sage advice
21:24 rangi        yep
21:24 libsysguy    rangi you around?
21:24 wizzyrea     yep, I would call that a regression wouldn't you?
21:24 cait         yep, typing on it :)
21:23 cait         Iwould think so?
21:23 cait         ok, for tha all patron search - is that a bug?
21:23 wizzyrea     did you file a bug?
21:23 wizzyrea     yep, it about has to do with that syspref.
21:23 cait         and the alphabet is always visible
21:23 wizzyrea     I just checked 3.6 (cuz that's what I had handy that wasn't master)
21:23 wizzyrea     yea, you're right
21:23 cait         you can't on master
21:22 cait         ok, in 3.8 you can enter an empty search and it gives you all patrons
21:19 cait         but i am quite sure
21:18 * cait       checks in 3.8
21:18 jcamins      cait: really? I thought that was always how it worked.
21:18 wizzyrea     but yea, not related to the category thing
21:18 wizzyrea     oh that could totally be
21:17 cait         for I18N
21:17 cait         3.8 should work - I think it happened when the alphabet got moved into a syspref
21:16 wizzyrea     and/or 3.8
21:16 * wizzyrea   goes to look in 3.6
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21:16 cait         wizzyrea: but is there a reason that the alphabet would vanish?
21:15 wizzyrea     if you had more than one page... what happens then?
21:15 cait         hm I think that used to work differently
21:15 wizzyrea     I think it is telling you that "here are all the A's"
21:15 wizzyrea     right - here's what I think
21:15 cait         but there is no alphabet
21:15 cait         it still says browse by last name
21:14 cait         just clck a and look at the top of the list
21:14 cait         ah not paging
21:14 wizzyrea     lulz  I don't have enough patrons in my db to flip over.
21:14 cait         in the logs - I am filing a new bug
21:14 cait         and [Wed Jan 02 22:11:54 2013] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [Wed Jan  2 22:11:54 2013] memberentry.pl: Use of uninitialized value in anonymous hash ({}) at /home/katrin/kohaclone/members/memberentry.pl line 815., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/member.pl
21:14 cait         click one letter and on the next page the alphabet is missing
21:14 cait         yep
21:14 wizzyrea     you mean clicking the letter?
21:13 cait         wizzyrea: hm I think the browse by last name thing is still broken - but it's probably a different bug
21:09 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add time due to slips
21:08 cait         bug 9014
21:08 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "“Processed 57 changesets from 23 developers” http://t.co/wqA2I0SV #kohails"
21:08 cait         wizzyrea: thx! going to look at that patch now :)
21:02 wizzyrea     cait - that patch fixes the search for me
21:01 cait         my system time is 9:59 PM
21:01 cait         but
21:01 cait         and it shows 08:59 PM
21:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add time due to slips
21:01 cait         I amprinting a slip with bug 9014
21:01 cait         oh that is weird
21:00 rangi        cait: i think so
21:00 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #229 added.
21:00 wizzyrea     @quote add rangi: relax, I signed it off :)
21:00 cait         hehe
21:00 huginn       wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
21:00 wizzyrea     @quote add rangi: relax, I signed it off :)
21:00 wahanui      https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6926150656/hE2C391FC/
21:00 rangi        wahanui: relax?
20:59 cait         will it fix all 3 problems?
20:59 rangi        i signed it off :)
20:59 cait         phew
20:59 rangi        relax
20:59 wizzyrea     ah yep, i was just thinking about that
20:59 rangi        oh yeah
20:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7919 critical, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes)
20:59 jcamins      Bug 7919.
20:59 cait         and the categorycode has vanished and only left a () in the result list
20:59 jcamins      There's a patch for that.
20:59 cait         and the allphabet thing is not showing up when I do a search for somrthing with results
20:58 cait         wizzyrea: is paging broken for you too? not sure I see eenough borrowers
20:58 wahanui      git bisect is our friend here
20:58 rangi        git bisect
20:58 wizzyrea     eek indeed.
20:58 cait         eek
20:58 wizzyrea     yea doesn't work :(
20:58 rangi        well the ranges by there
20:58 rangi        at oamaru
20:58 rangi        snow too
20:58 cait         patron category student or whatever
20:57 eythian      possibly canterbury too
20:57 cait         can someone try a search for patron category and any library in master?
20:57 eythian      and fiordland
20:57 cait         oh don't tell me...
20:57 eythian      more like west coast, I think
20:57 wizzyrea     all through canterbury, I read.
20:57 wizzyrea     and flooding and stuff.
20:57 eythian      there was snow in the south, too
20:56 eythian      yeah
20:56 wizzyrea     I guess that's what happens when two high pressure systems bump uglies.
20:56 wizzyrea     that's rather unusual
20:56 eythian      I noticed the footpaths were littered with branches this morning
20:56 eythian      yeah, that was really quite something
20:55 wizzyrea     at least it's not blowing like it was yesterday
20:55 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on January 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
20:55 rangi        @wunder nzwn
20:55 cait         br.
20:55 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.3°C (9:50 PM CET on January 02, 2013). Conditions: Patches of Fog. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
20:55 cait         @wunder Konstanz
20:55 rangi        :)
20:55 cait         gmcharlt++
20:54 gmcharlt     and like a phoenix ...
20:47 eythian      cait: and to you :)
20:46 wahanui      huginn is a bot too veera, not a person
20:46 cait         oh, huginn!!
20:46 cait         eythian: happy new year :)
20:46 cait         @wunder Konstanz
20:40 eythian      hello cait
20:40 cait         hi eythian
20:40 jcamins      lol
20:40 wahanui      Are you CRAZY?  The roof is ON FIRE!
20:40 eythian      wahanui: we don't need no water
20:39 eythian      the roof.
20:39 wizzyrea     whaddup :)
20:37 eythian      hi
20:24 jcamins      (the XXXX is not part of the alias, obviously)
20:24 jcamins      I have a bash alias for "bug XXXX"
20:24 jcamins      I just switched which screen I was in.
20:24 * oleonard   likes that Chatzilla has automatic linking of bug numbers
20:23 cait         wb wizzyrea
20:23 * cait       weeps
20:23 jcamins      gmcharlt: alas, poor huginn, I knew him well!
20:22 jcamins      Nooooo!!!! huginn!!!!
20:22 jcamins      bug 9014
20:17 cait         ohok
20:08 cait         it's what I have in my wiki list of links
20:07 cait         does this work?
20:07 cait         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&columnlist=bug_severity%2Cbug_status%2Cshort_desc%2Cassigned_to%2Cchangeddate&list_id=46333&query_format=advanced&order=bug_severity%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=Needs%20Signoff
20:06 cait         hm
20:06 jcamins      The remembered search link from wizzyrea is probably best.
20:06 jcamins      The search URL is a list of every single bug that is _currently_ needs signoff, though, so that won't work.
20:05 cait         but they get big
20:05 cait         i think easiest is to save the search url
20:04 rangi        it will :)
20:04 rangi        ahh yeah
20:03 wizzyrea     http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Needs Signoff&sharer_id=1 seems to work?
20:01 oleonard     Hah, every time I click the "needs signoff" link in the footer the list_id number increments
19:59 rangi        i think you have a sep needs signoff set up
19:58 rangi        what do you see there?
19:58 libsysguy    jcamins++
19:58 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/userprefs.cgi?tab=saved-searches
19:58 libsysguy    sweet
19:58 jcamins      DEBUG
19:58 oleonard     rangi: 49931
19:58 libsysguy    is the debug var for koha DEBUG or KOHA_DEBUG?
19:57 rangi        what is the link that works for you .. the list_id= bit
19:57 oleonard     I do, rangi, including "Needs Signoff," which works. But if that link works for everyone else I'll just ignore it
19:55 jcamins      Works for me.
19:55 rangi        do you see any saved searches along the bottom?
19:55 oleonard     No
19:55 rangi        does that one?
19:55 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=Needs%20Signoff&list_id=49927
19:55 oleonard     I get " The search named Needs Signoff does not exist. "
19:55 oleonard     Yes
19:55 rangi        are you logged in to bugzilla?
19:54 rangi        works for me
19:54 oleonard     rangi: The link from the dashboard to the "needs signoff" search is broken
19:53 cait         martin++ #because I forgot his nick.
19:43 nengard      :)
19:40 gmcharlt     nengard++
19:37 rangi        but for most others yes 0 is good
19:37 wizzyrea     lol. fair enough
19:37 * cait       hides
19:37 rangi        well 0 in the passed qa is actually a problem :)
19:36 wizzyrea     by design then? as in "this is totally green, no problem"
19:36 rangi        there is a space there
19:36 rangi        yep
19:35 wizzyrea     if a status has 0 it shows nothing (see "passed qa")
19:35 wizzyrea     one tiniest thing ever
19:35 wizzyrea     looks nice
19:34 rangi        at least until i learn how to change that bit too
19:33 rangi        i can live with that for now
19:33 rangi        sweet
19:33 jcamins      Everything except for the title is.
19:32 cait         yay :)
19:32 rangi        it should be responsive now
19:32 jenkins_koha nengard: update cms appendix
19:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #11: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/11/
19:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #11 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:32 jenkins_koha nengard: update cms appendix
19:32 jenkins_koha nengard: update cms appendix
19:32 rangi        can you try that
19:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #260: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/260/
19:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #4: STILL FAILING in 13 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/4/
19:32 rangi        http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
19:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #260 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 8 mo 9 days ago)
19:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #4 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING)
19:32 jcamins      Yes.
19:31 rangi        does anyone have a phone or a tablet handy?
19:26 rangi        yep
19:26 cait         if spam gets a problem agian, we can still try to fix that
19:26 * cait       agrees
19:25 rangi        as i think only legit users would do that
19:24 rangi        hmm it appears you can sign up bypassing moderation on the wiki via openid .. however i suspect that is ok
18:43 rangi        My stop bbiab
18:30 mib_chnxgi   the INTRA port on koha-sites.conf reads 8080 - is it not supposed to?
18:29 mib_chnxgi   now I'm getting a 404 with localhost:8080
18:28 mib_chnxgi   alright - did that and restarted apache
18:26 jcamins      Remove it also from /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
18:26 mib_chnxgi   I removed the link from /etc/apache2/sites-available/ yet it's still telling me that there is a dangling symlink
18:21 jcamins      Yes, you need to remove the link to koha-sites.conf.
18:20 libsysguy    that would probably do it
18:20 mib_chnxgi   or I configured koha-sites.conf incorrectly
18:19 mib_chnxgi   I'm assuming that's because I linked to koha-sites.conf and not koha-httpd.conf
18:19 mib_chnxgi   Invalid command 'DOMAIN=""'
18:19 libsysguy    does it say why?
18:18 mib_chnxgi   I'm using sudo service apache2 restart and it is telling me that it's failing
18:16 jcamins      Also, did you set up your instance to use port 8080 using koha-sites.conf? If not, you'll need to edit your instance's configuration file to use 8080.
18:15 jcamins      And what are you seeing after restarting Apache?
18:15 jcamins      Yes.
18:15 fertilizer   I did that - under Listen 80?
18:14 jcamins      Then all you should need to do is add that Listen 8080 to ports.conf.
18:13 fertilizer   yeah, I created the instance
18:13 jcamins      You did the koha-create step?
18:13 jcamins      fertilizer: if you used koha-common then everything should already be configured for you, other than the port.
18:11 fertilizer   no worries - thanks for the help
18:11 vfernandes   i have to go
18:11 vfernandes   sorry I can't help you more
18:10 fertilizer   locate turns up nothing, same with find
18:08 vfernandes   or find koha-httpd.conf
18:08 vfernandes   locate koha-httpd.conf
18:08 fertilizer   no such file
18:07 wahanui      nothing is probably a requirement, we have guidelines though
18:07 vfernandes   nothing?
18:07 vfernandes   ls /etc/koha/koha-http.conf
18:07 vfernandes   if you choose standard then the file should be there
18:06 fertilizer   i installed koha-common
18:06 wahanui      standard is not so practical for that
18:06 fertilizer   standard
18:05 vfernandes   which option did you choose on the installation? standard, single?
18:04 vfernandes   it should be there
18:04 rangi        Hi oleonard
18:04 fertilizer   I'm checking /etc/koha/ and don't have that file - should I create it?
18:03 fertilizer   no, it didn't becuase the link was linking to something that isn't there
18:03 vfernandes   it worked?
18:03 fertilizer   I confused having the file koha-http.conf file for koha-sites.conf
17:58 fertilizer   alright, let me try that
17:57 cait         morning rangi
17:57 vfernandes   if everything worked fine the localhost:8080 should now be available via browser
17:56 vfernandes   sudo service apache2 restart
17:56 vfernandes   sudo a2ensite koha
17:56 vfernandes   sudo a2enmod rewrite
17:56 vfernandes   after adding the Listen 8080 you need to run 3 commands
17:55 vfernandes   yes do as Rangi said
17:55 oleonard     Hi rangi, happy new year
17:55 vfernandes   check /etc/apache/ports.conf and add Listen 8080
17:55 rangi        As well as Listen 80
17:55 rangi        Also your ports.conf file needs Listen 8080
17:54 fertilizer   Yeah, I created the link
17:54 vfernandes   done?
17:52 vfernandes   sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-http.conf /etc/apaches/sites-available/koha
17:52 vfernandes   sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-http.conf /etc/apaches/sites-available
17:51 vfernandes   but you have to do a symbolic link to the apache site-available folder
17:51 fertilizer   I have that conf in /etc/koha
17:48 vfernandes   did you copy the koha-httpd.conf to the apache?
17:48 fertilizer   everytime I try to reach localhost:8080 I get an error that tells me it's not able to reach the page
17:47 druthb       thanks oodles.
17:47 vfernandes   thanks druthb... i will send a email now
17:46 fertilizer   would anyone be able to help me with a problem with installation? I can't reach the Koha web installer after setting everything up beforhand - I'm not sure if I missed something
17:45 fertilizer   happy new year all
17:45 druthb       done!
17:45 vfernandes   happy new year cait
17:45 cait         happy new year druthb and vfernandes :)
17:45 vfernandes   ok... PM me with the email
17:45 druthb       (May take me a day or two; things are a leetle wild right now)
17:44 druthb       That's odd, vfernandes...i would have thought the files would update...hm.  Can you send me an email as a reminder to look into it?
17:44 vfernandes   there is any problem that can cause the problem?
17:44 * cait       waves
17:43 vfernandes   one question: OAI-PMH:ConfFile appears on Koha interface, but not in Koha 3.8 portuguese translation of system preference
17:42 druthb       sort of.
17:42 vfernandes   druthb are you here?
17:42 fertilizer   hey all
17:11 vfernandes   I saw this example because it almost the last syspref
17:10 vfernandes   I don't know if there is another syspref in this conditions
17:10 jcamins      druthb would be the person to talk to.
17:09 jcamins      Doesn't look like it. Sounds like a problem with the po file.
17:09 vfernandes   it was removed in the last Koha 3.8?
17:07 vfernandes   the syspref is in the web_service.pref
17:07 vfernandes   the download of pref.po isn't possible because of permission error.... but I've checked the translations and there is no one for OAI-PMH:ConfFile
17:06 jcamins      .
17:06 jcamins      They have to be installed separately?
17:06 jcamins      Did you install the preference translations?
17:05 vfernandes   what's wrong?
17:04 vfernandes   but there is no translation for Koha
17:04 vfernandes   in my Koha 3.8 installation the OAIPMHFileConf appears in the interface so it is in the .pref file
17:03 jcamins      They may still be in the database, but not in the .pref files.
17:03 jcamins      Right.
17:03 vfernandes   because they appear in the interface
17:02 vfernandes   but they should be removed from the .pref files
17:02 jcamins      Yes, many sysprefs were removed.
17:02 jcamins      vfernandes: oh, I understand what you mean.
17:01 jcamins      vfernandes: there are some sysprefs that no longer used, but they aren't actually removed from the database.
17:01 vfernandes   for example OAIPMHFileConf or something like that wasn't in koha 3.8 portuguese translations
17:00 vfernandes   when upgrading from 3.2 to 3.8 there is some sysprefs that are remover?
16:56 jcamins      lol
16:56 gmcharlt     jcamins: that requires an RM-syspref to activate, but be warned that losing most of your hair is a mandatory side-effect
16:54 * jcamins    channels Picard, and, with a Picardian gesture says to the room at large, "Make it so."
16:54 gmcharlt     agreed
16:53 jcamins      It seems like if we're writing instructions that tell people "make these small, easily maintable changes" we should just make the changes for them.
16:52 gmcharlt     but I'm all for the general idea of making a simple CMS a core feature
16:52 vfernandes   i will ask to koha-translate list
16:51 gmcharlt     jcamins: yeah, although if we were to do that, a bit of gold-plating to hook in an HTML editor and get the pages out of sysprefs would be nice
16:50 jcamins      druthb just left, unfortunately... she'd be the one who could tell you.
16:50 vfernandes   ?
16:50 vfernandes   how to use this translations for koha 3.10
16:49 jcamins      gmcharlt: would it make sense to provide a pages.pl out of the box?
16:49 vfernandes   my question is now the following
16:49 vfernandes   maybe is a momentaneous error
16:48 jcamins      This may be of use to people coding for Plack: http://search.cpan.org/~dom/perl-5.12.5/pod/perlsub.pod#Persistent_Private_Variables
16:47 wahanui      rambutan: no idea
16:47 rambutan     wahanui, one Coral Tónica Stout for vfernandes please
16:45 vfernandes   permission error
16:44 vfernandes   guys: http://200.16.16.190/pt/38/pt-PT-pref.po/download/
16:43 gerundio     vfernandes++
16:41 vfernandes   now I think I deserve a cold beer :P
16:40 oleonard     vfernandes++
16:40 vfernandes   translation of 3.8 to portuguese finally finished :D
16:25 kf           bye all :)
16:25 kf           will have to read back later - but leaving now :)
16:24 jcamins      To do it more gradually it'd be possible to change, for example, "use AuthoritiesMarc;" to "use AuthoritiesMarc ();" in C4/ImportBatch.pm.
16:22 jcamins      Changing everything to EXPORT_OK would also be a good step in the right direction.
16:21 jcamins      Actually, Srdjan did that one with EXPORT_OK, so all I'd have to do is make the calls explicitly scoped.
16:20 jcamins      I may do an example, removing all the exports from, say, C4::HoldsQueue.
16:20 jcamins      That sounds like a good idea to me!
16:20 paul_p       jcamins = should I propose a workshop on that during the hackfest ?
16:19 jcamins      However, I'm not 100% sure, which is why I haven't done it.
16:19 jcamins      I think so.
16:19 paul_p       jcamins = would it just require s/ModBiblio(/C4::Biblio::ModBiblio(/ everywhere and removal of exporting modbiblio (for example) ?
16:18 jcamins      Maintainability.
16:18 paul_p       jcamins = why ? to improve maintainability or for another reason ?
16:18 jcamins      Honestly I think it would be good to force all function calls in C4 to be explicitly scoped.
16:18 jcamins      paul_p: I would love to remove existing exports in C4.
16:17 paul_p       jcamins = should we try to REMOVE existing export in C4 ? or will there be no real gain doing that ?
16:16 paul_p       libsysguy yes, that's what jcamins said
16:11 jcamins      But if you're breaking encapsulation with Module::procedure, you are not doing it accidentally.
16:11 jcamins      Yes.
16:08 libsysguy    isn't that what jcamins just said?
16:07 paul_p       Generally anything not exported is still accessible from outside the module using the YourModule::item_name (or $blessed_ref->method ) syntax. By convention you can use a leading underscore on names to informally indicate that they are 'internal' and not for public use.
16:07 paul_p       ok, http://perldoc.perl.org/Exporter.html is helpfull = Exports pollute the namespace of the module user. If you must export try to use @EXPORT_OK in preference to @EXPORT and avoid short or common symbol names to reduce the risk of name clashes.
16:06 reiveune     bye
16:05 paul_p       jcamins = but even without export, it's still possible to break encapsulation isn't it ?
15:55 jcamins      paul_p: unnecessary exports pollute the global namespace, and encourage people to break encapsulation.
15:51 paul_p       jcamins (sorry, 1st of all = happy new year !!!! hoping it will be a year you'll come to Marseille :D )
15:51 gerundio     kf, thanks for the prompt reply
15:51 paul_p       jcamins = looking at changes in coding guidelines, I'd like to have some explanations about PERL14 (exports kept to an absolute minimum). I've nothing against it, but I'd like to understand what's the problem with export, and how we should limit them
15:50 kf           it is linked to a plugin, so the dots are correct, but the functionality is not active without the pref
15:50 kf           gerundio: about the 3 dots
15:50 kf           you have to activate autobarcode I think... or change the plugin it's linked to
15:50 gmcharlt     kf: happy new year!
15:50 gerundio     should it?
15:49 gerundio     clicking on it doesn't result in anything at all
15:49 gerundio     on the item editor form, the f field (barcode) has suspension points (3 dots)
15:49 vfernandes   i think this is a Koha bug
15:49 vfernandes   look at refine search... there is two commas in the autor
15:48 gerundio     the good thing about going live is that the complaints start flowing at a much higher and steady rate :D
15:45 kf           hi gmcharlt - happy new year :)
15:30 rambutan     checking my DNS server, probably hasn't replicated fully yet
15:27 gerundio     all have the same IP there, no from the looks of it there's no DNS problem
15:27 jcamins      It works for me.
15:27 gerundio     http://www.just-ping.com/index.php?vh=opac.fct.unl.pt&c=&s=ping%21
15:26 jcamins      Yeah! Let's all slashdot gerundio's server!
15:26 kf           I can access it too (from Germany :) )
15:26 kf           maybe just takes a little while longer
15:26 rambutan     ok, well, huh
15:26 druthb       rambutan: I'm able to get there just fine
15:26 gerundio     let me check something then
15:26 gerundio     hmm, weird
15:25 rambutan     gerundio, do you have an IP address for it?
15:25 rambutan     for some reason I can't access the opac here in the US - server not found
15:23 gerundio     still using the default look & feel, but waiting for our design team to work something out in the next few weeks
15:22 vfernandes   nice :)
15:22 gerundio     https://opac.fct.unl.pt/
15:22 gerundio     we just made our koha installation available to the public
15:22 gerundio     vfernandes, nice going :)
15:21 kf           happy new year gerundio
15:21 vfernandes   gerundio: 100 strings to complete the 3.8 translation
15:19 vfernandes   hi gerundio, happy new year
15:18 gerundio     hi all, happy new year
14:27 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @nengard: "@opensourceway The Koha tag is #kohails :) But thanks for the tweet!"
14:01 kf           thx :)
14:01 nengard      kf our site is back up
13:55 kf           well for the docs - I will let you know when I find out something new :)
13:55 kf           that's good
13:55 nengard      between then and now
13:55 nengard      i don't remember seeing any changes in the way lost is handled
13:55 kf           ...well... not really recent.
13:54 kf           I will try to do some testing, but my docs are for 3.6 anyway - so there might be recent changes
13:54 kf           hm I see
13:54 nengard      if there is it's in the code and i'd love to know what it is
13:54 magnuse      ok, thanks folks. guess i better hack up a script to extract the year from 260$c and shove it into 008pos7-10
13:54 nengard      not that i have ever seen
13:54 kf           nengard: so there is no difference in behaviour between lost, lots and paid for an dmissing?
13:52 jcamins      It would be possible to use copydate instead of pubdate, but then sorting would be wrong for all non-typical dates.
13:51 magnuse      #marcmustdie
13:51 kf           but jared will know :)
13:51 kf           not sure how zebra handles numeric search when there is non-numeric data
13:51 jcamins      magnuse: that's a bit problematic.
13:51 magnuse      kf, ah, hadn't thought about that
13:50 kf           magnuse: I think the problem might be we need a different index for date range search and the pull down publication year search then
13:49 magnuse      jcamins: the pubdate index zebra uses to sort result lists gets its value from 008pos7-10. do you think it would be possible to use 260$c too?
13:49 huginn       rambutan: The current temperature in APRSWXNET St.Joseph MO US, Saint Joseph, Missouri is -8.9°C (7:17 AM CST on January 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling).
13:49 rambutan     @wunder 64506
13:49 kf           unusually warm here still
13:49 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.6°C (2:45 PM CET on January 02, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
13:49 druthb       we're not even supposed to get up to 0 today.
13:48 huginn       oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is -7.8°C (8:21 AM EST on January 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
13:48 kf           @wunder Konstanz
13:48 oleonard     @wunder 45701
13:48 magnuse      forecast says we will have +7C in a few days
13:48 druthb       no fair!
13:48 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (2:20 PM CET on January 02, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
13:48 magnuse      @wunder boo
13:47 druthb       brr!
13:47 jenkins_koha nengard: update accountlines faq
13:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #259: STILL FAILING in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/259/
13:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #259 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 8 mo 9 days ago)
13:47 jenkins_koha nengard: update accountlines faq
13:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #3: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.10.x/3/
13:47 jenkins_koha nengard: update accountlines faq
13:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #10: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/10/
13:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #3 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING)
13:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #10 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:47 kf           run!
13:47 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -11.4°C (7:45 AM CST on January 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
13:47 druthb       @wunder 66046
13:47 jcamins_away Yes?
13:47 druthb       !
13:47 kf           magnuse: ohoh :)
13:46 * magnuse    gets ready to pounce on jcamins_away at first sign of life
13:45 nengard      :)
13:45 nengard      great
13:45 kf           nengard: trying to writ eup some documentation in German for our wiki
13:44 kf           oh thx nengard! nengard++
13:43 nengard      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CPnp9wk8qkoJ:bywatersolutions.com/2012/08/06/how-koha-3-8-handles-lost-statuses/+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
13:43 nengard      kf - here it is cached
13:31 khall        oleonard, thanks for the reminder : )=
13:27 oleonard     khall: Don't forget test plans in your patches
13:23 kf           I was looking for that article about how the lost status works
13:23 kf           no problem, but I will stop trying then :)
13:23 kf           ah ok
13:23 nengard      sorry about that
13:23 nengard      but need someone to arrive that can fix it
13:22 nengard      kf yes, i know about it
13:22 kf           edveal or nengard: I can't access bywater's website - can you? it has always had long loading times for me, which others can't reproduce, so not sure it's only me again
13:21 kf           hi bywaterians and happy new year to everyone!
13:21 oleonard     Hi
13:21 kf           morning oleonard :)
11:24 vfernandes   thanks kf, for you too :)
11:24 kf           happy new year vfernandes :)
11:10 vfernandes   happy new year paul_p
10:47 kf           happy new year paul_p
10:47 paul_p       good morning #koha , and happy new year !!!
10:35 vfernandes   hello :)
09:01 francharb    happy new year rangi kf!
09:01 kf           happy new year francharb
09:01 rangi        hi francharb
09:01 wahanui      que tal, francharb
09:01 francharb    hi
08:44 mveron       :-)
08:44 magnuse      takk det samme, i mean
08:44 magnuse      takk mveron ;-)
08:43 mveron       magnuse: Godt nytt år :-)
08:39 mveron       :-)
08:39 kf           mveron, dir auch! :)
08:39 mveron       Hi kf - Es guets Nöis!  :-)
08:37 clrh         thx kf you too :)
08:36 kf           hi clrh - happy new year :)
08:35 clrh         hello and happy new year too :)
08:21 kf           good morning #koha and a happy new year :)
08:02 jajm         hi rangi
08:01 rangi        hi jajm
08:01 jajm         hello
07:49 reiveune     Happy new year everybody :)
07:49 mveron       Happy new year reiveune :-)
07:49 rangi        hi reiveune
07:48 reiveune     hello
07:48 mveron       hi rangi :-) The same to you :-)
07:48 rangi        hi mveron :) happy new year
07:44 mveron       Good morning #koha and Happy New Year to everyone
07:40 cait         bbl :)
07:39 magnuse      yay!
07:39 cait         nice!
07:38 rangi        we are down to only 8 patches don't apply now!
07:37 cait         hi sophie_m! happy new year!
07:35 sophie_m     hi rangi, magnuse, cait and happy new year !
07:35 magnuse      new year, new possibilities
07:35 magnuse      kia ora rangi!
07:35 rangi        hi magnuse, lds, cait and sophie_m
07:27 wahanui      documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
07:27 cait         documentation?
07:27 cait         also a syspref
07:27 cait         and there is OpacSuppression
07:27 cait         it should hide the record when all items are hidden
07:27 cait         opachiddenitems (system pref) is one
07:26 cait         there are ways to do it
07:26 cait         that's a bit more complicated
07:26 mib_TM       Fantastic. I'll check it out. 1 more question. How do I hide a bib record in OPAC?
07:23 cait         and the email settings are in the pref I mentioned and in the address information of your branches in administrationin Koha
07:22 cait         you have to enable your server to send mail
07:22 cait         not koha
07:22 cait         this is related to linux system administratoin
07:22 cait         mail transfer agent
07:18 mib_TM       OK. any idea where i can check the email setting and what's a mta?
07:17 cait         and it requires that you have a mta configured on your server in order to work
07:17 cait         but it's one of those
07:17 cait         an email is sent to either the KohaAdminEmailAddress or the branch address - I am not totally sure
07:16 cait         when he submits
07:16 cait         the patron fills out the form in teh patron account in the opac
07:16 mib_TM       Hello. In the setting "Allow/Disallow patrons to notify the library of changes to their contact information from the OPAC." where does the notification go to?
07:15 cait         what is your question?
07:15 cait         hi mib_TM
07:15 mib_TM       Hi anyone? I've got a question.
07:04 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (7:50 AM CET on January 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
07:04 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:03 magnuse      happy new year cait and #koha!
07:01 cait         happy new year magnuse!
06:58 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.1°C (7:55 AM CET on January 02, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
06:58 cait         @wunder Konstanz
06:58 huginn       cait: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
06:58 cait         @wunder
06:01 fertilizer   I'm not able to reach the web installer using localhost:8080
06:00 fertilizer   Hi all - I need help with installation
01:27 huginn       jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wrobertson1981, Needs Signoff , Mandumah.com's multiple branch search, multiple branch security mod
01:27 jcamins_away @query mandumah
01:27 huginn       jcamins_away: No results for "mamdumah."
01:27 jcamins_away @query mamdumah