Time Nick Message 01:37 Oak kia ora #koha 01:37 Oak cait, you did not go to sleep last night? 06:24 rangi @wunder nzwn 06:24 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Brooklyn, Wellington, New Zealand is 21.3°C (7:23 PM NZDT on December 19, 2012). Conditions: . Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling). 06:24 rangi its hot! 06:24 bag @wunder 93109 06:24 huginn bag: The current temperature in East Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 8.5°C (10:16 PM PST on December 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect until 7 am PST Wednesday... 06:25 bag cold here - major win for rangi there 06:25 rangi heh 06:25 rangi that must be about as cold as it gets? 06:33 cait oh hi bag :) 06:33 bag heya cait 06:33 bag rangi: pretty close 06:33 bag I think maybe down to 4 or 5 early in the morning 06:45 cjh it's very warm in the office, our corner was getting a nice dose of afternoon sun. 06:46 rangi ah yeah the aircon will be off now 07:32 alex_a_ bonjour 07:33 rangi hi alex_a_ 07:34 gaetan_B hello 07:44 reiveune hello 08:17 kf moring #koha 08:17 rangi hi kf 08:17 kf heya rangi 08:18 paul_p morning #koha 08:18 kf morning paul_p 08:18 rangi hi paul_p 08:20 kf hi julian_m 08:21 julian_m hi kf 08:21 julian_m hi #koha 08:21 rangi hi julian_m 08:29 bag heya paul_p and julian_m 09:07 kroditi :paul_p good morning 09:08 paul_p good morning kroditi ! 09:09 kroditi paul_p: good morning, I cannot log in translation project, could it be because of the server change? 09:09 paul_p kroditi it's strange. It should not, because afaik, there has been no move those days. The move was before I created your account. I try to log in, just a moment pls 09:10 kroditi ok 09:10 paul_p kroditi = no problem to login for me. Are you sure you don't make a mistake ? have you tried the "lost password" procedure ? 09:10 * paul_p must leave for a meeting 09:10 kroditi paul_p: no, i will now 09:11 kroditi paul_p: thank you 09:12 kroditi paul_p: I am sure for my credentials, just wanted to make sure that all new accounts have been transferred to the new server before I tried to reset my password 09:12 * paul_p at a meeting 09:23 kf kroditi: the server has been moved another time, but you should be able to login I think - if there is a problem you can give me your username and I can take a look 09:27 kroditi kf: hello, I cannot complete the procedure of password reset 09:28 kf i can reset it for you - if you give me your user name 09:28 kroditi kf: my username is kroditi@elidoc.gr 09:34 kf I will take a look - give me a few minutes 09:34 kroditi kf: thank you! 09:35 kf hm 09:35 kf you acount is active 09:35 kf user name is krodity 09:35 kf sorry 09:35 kf kroditi 09:35 kf I don't see your password 09:35 kroditi kf: no domain at the end? 09:35 kf no domain 09:36 kroditi kf: let try once again with the old password 09:37 kroditi kf: it worked 09:38 kroditi kf: I apologise for the inconvinience 09:39 kf no inconvenience 09:39 kf happy it works now 09:42 kroditi kf: thank you! could you please advise me for something else? how can I download a .po file for greek system preferences? the file paul_p gave me has an encoding issue and the greek characters do not show! 09:43 kf brb 09:53 kf when you are logged in 09:54 kf kroditi: go to the review tab 09:54 kf on top is a link to download a zip file 09:54 kf but there seems to be a problem with permissions currently hm. 09:55 kf @later tell druthb - there is a permission error when trying to download po files from pootle - could you take a look? I tried greek - review tab - download zip and po file 09:55 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 10:01 kf kroditi: sorry, I cannot fix the permission problem, we will have to wait for the translation manager druthb to take a look at the problem 10:01 kroditi kf: I have two options download or download XLIFF. Is that due to my permissions? 10:02 kf the zip link is on top f all 10:02 kf of the page 10:02 kf you don't see it? 10:03 kf download shoudl work too - to give you a single po file 10:03 kf but I think the permission problem prevents it currently 10:06 kroditi kf: on top of the page All I can see is that there are 3 files, and all download links are under each po file. So, waiting for the permission issue to resolve and give another try 10:10 kroditi kf: that is odd. the preferences po file is the only file I can download with no permission errors, but greek characters appear "broken" again! 10:10 kf hm 10:10 kf that is a bit weir 10:10 kf d 10:11 kf I am not sure 10:11 kf druthb is in US so she won't be around for a bit longer 10:11 kroditi the odd thing is that on translate tab, and on my browser's tab the characters appear correctly 10:12 kf hm could it be your editor? 10:12 kf which editor are you using to open the po file? 10:12 kroditi Poedit 10:12 kf I know that the pref file is missing a encoding declartion or something, so it gives me trouble too 10:13 kf maybe try to tell poedit to use utf8 10:13 kroditi I tried changing the encoding, but nothing changes 10:13 kroditi and when I reopen the editor, it is still under iso encoding 10:14 kroditi so, maybe the best option is to translate preferences online! 10:14 drojf good day #koha 10:16 kf kroditi: the pref file and poedit are not working well - I think it's a problem with the file 10:16 kf maybe file a bug for it, it would be good to have it documented 10:17 kf if pootle shows it correct, I would start translating there, note that for the pref, don't translate the #something part at the beginning of the string, you can take a look at german or french how it's done there 10:17 kf hi dr 10:17 kf hi drojf 10:17 drojf hi kf 10:17 drojf as i said before, you can call me dr. drojf if you like ;) 10:17 kroditi kf: ok. thank you very much for the help! 10:24 kf drojf: I already give you a lot of karma, calling you dr goes too far 10:27 bag well good night #koha 10:27 kf good night bag 10:31 drojf kf: aaaw 11:42 vfernandes hello 12:01 gerundio oi vfernandes 12:02 gerundio guys, is it possible to revert an import? 12:06 kf gerundio: how did you do the import? 12:06 gerundio is the "Matching rule applied" and "Action if matching record found" on the "Manage staged MARC records" tool working properly? 12:06 gerundio kf, using the Manage staged MARC records 12:06 kf yes, then you can revert it 12:06 gerundio the problem is there are some missing barcode on the imported records 12:07 kf hm 12:07 gerundio which I now want to update 12:07 kf did you check if those were duplicates? 12:07 kf and you can't update barcodes 12:07 kf you will have to delete and reimport the items 12:07 kf all the matching only applies to the bibliotgraphic records, not to items 12:07 gerundio I was now looking at the "Matching rule applied" and "Action if matching record found" settings on "Manage staged MARC records" tool 12:07 gerundio ohhhh 12:07 gerundio thanks for the info 12:07 kf but the revert also removes the items :) 12:08 gerundio how can I revert it then? 12:08 kf there is a button on the manage staged marc records page 12:09 gerundio I have 2 imports listed in my "Manage staged MARC records" table 12:09 gerundio only the 2nd one shows a "Clean" button on the "Action" collumn 12:09 gerundio is that it? 12:10 kf don't click clean 12:10 kf click to see the records 12:10 kf of the batch 12:10 gerundio ok 12:10 kf and then there is the button below the first table It hink 12:10 gerundio "Undo import into catalog", is that it? 12:10 kf yep 12:11 kf I think if you clean you can't undo after 12:11 gerundio hopefully I have DB backups during this actions :D 12:11 gerundio thanks again kf 12:11 kf you are welcome 12:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 13:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #256 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 25 days ago) 13:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #256: STILL FAILING in 1 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/256/ 13:16 jenkins_koha * nengard: update note about required email for registration 13:16 jenkins_koha * nengard: add patron self editing section 13:19 jcamins_away @later tell oleonard Do I need to do something special to activate 9166? It doesn't seem to work on "My personal details." 13:19 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 13:20 jcamins Wow. 13:20 jcamins That was amazing. 13:21 jcamins It's my RM superpower! 13:21 oleonard And I just missed it? 13:21 kf lol 13:21 jcamins Good morning, oleonard. 13:21 kf summoning oleonard? 13:21 kf I am jealous :) 13:21 jcamins Yes! 13:21 kf and good morning to both of you :) 13:22 kf bug 9166 13:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9166 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , OPAC needs configuration file for datepicker 13:22 jcamins I've continued testing, and it turns out that it works on the place hold page. 13:22 kf ah cool :) 13:23 kf I was about to suggest activating the holds future thing 13:23 oleonard But the datepicker doesn't work on opac-user.pl? 13:23 jcamins Sort of. 13:23 jcamins Hm. 13:23 jcamins The calendar icon vanished. 13:24 jcamins It doesn't work on opac-memberentry.pl. 13:25 jcamins I can't find a calendar on opac-user.pl. 13:26 oleonard On the holds tab, at the bottom, the "suspend all holds" control. 13:27 jcamins Oh, I bet I need to already have a hold. 13:27 jcamins Yes. 13:28 jcamins Hm. I'm not sure the language thing is working. 13:28 jcamins I'll try updating the language again. 13:31 kf you wil probably have to check the po files 13:32 kf for the string to appear 13:32 jcamins Oh, good point. 13:33 jcamins It appears in the PO file, and is translated. 13:34 * jcamins thinks he isn't going to figure this out in the next five minutes. 13:34 jcamins I will look at this again tonight or tomorrow when I'm at home. 13:35 jcamins You can do a follow-up for opac-memberentry.pl, so that the patch that already passed QA can be pushed (assuming I get it to work). 13:35 kf jcamins: does it say fuzzy? 13:35 kf #fuzzy or similar? 13:35 jcamins No. 13:35 kf hmm 13:36 kf surprising 13:36 tcohen hi kf, jcamins 13:36 kf hi tcohen 13:41 oleonard Oh, opac-memberentry.pl is the new patron self-registration page. That's why it wasn't covered by my patch. 13:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9104: country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0d2db7781e24ca00691620733072b3c0573fb35> / Bug 8125 Sip addess should include all address fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=570372b24ef081aca5bbb8aea8a1462fced14e68> / Bug 9287 - socialnetworks is enabled by default <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdi 13:55 drojf can somebody tell me how i get into a terminal in android? 13:57 drojf or rather, do i get there at all if it's new/unrooted? 13:58 gerundio drojf, I think not 13:58 gerundio I have an unrooter Android phone 13:58 gerundio unrooted ^^ 13:59 gerundio http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Guide:Using_the_Terminal 13:59 gerundio check this article from XDA 14:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #984 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 14:00 drojf gerundio: thanks! 14:00 gerundio drojf, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=berserker.android.apps.sshdroid&hl=en, SSHDroid says Root is optional but not required to run this application. 14:00 gerundio so I guess I might be wrong 14:02 drojf ok i can't install anything anyway because there is no google account in there yet. (not my device) 14:02 drojf but thanks 14:18 gerundio drojf, can't help with that... Android device with no Google account assign is just a cool paperweight 14:22 drojf gerundio: lol. yeah my boss is out for lunch. anyway i would have to root that thing to repair wifi access to eduroam. i don't think that is something i am going to do in my office hours (or my spare time)... 14:22 gerundio "repair wifi access to eduroam"? 14:22 drojf "why did you buy a non-free device?" is a valid answer too 14:22 drojf http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=34212 14:22 drojf apparently that is a bug 14:24 gerundio hmm, I'm still using Gingerbread on my Xperia X10 14:24 gerundio I can connect to eduroam just fine 14:24 drojf with user certificate? 14:25 gerundio no certificate :) 14:25 drojf doesn't work with username/password either on this device 14:26 drojf it's 4.0.4. jelly bean i think (i don't know much about android...) 14:26 gerundio I have one for over 1 year now and I just have a regular non smartphone usage 14:27 gerundio no internet plan 14:27 gerundio just use wifi connection to update the apps and play song pop 14:27 gerundio not the average Android user for sure :) 14:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #257 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 25 days ago) 14:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #257: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/257/ 14:30 jenkins_koha nengard: update patron categories admin 14:44 druthb o/ 15:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #984: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/984/ 15:07 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 9287 - socialnetworks is enabled by default 15:07 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8125 Sip addess should include all address fields 15:07 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9104: country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl 15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9287 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , socialnetworks is enabled by default 15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8125 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP should send Zipcode with address 15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9104 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl 15:10 kf bye all 16:03 gerundio how can I add a record matching rule to use in the Stage MARC records for import tool? 16:04 gerundio found it: Home › Administration › Record matching rules › Add record matching rule 16:05 reiveune bye 16:13 gerundio anyone experienced in creating record matching rules? 16:13 gerundio I want something as simple as matching records using the ISBN MARC field 16:30 jcamins_away gerundio: there's a sample rule for that. 16:33 gerundio jcamins, I'm looking at the example in http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/catadmin.html, section 4.7. Record Matching Rules 16:35 jcamins Ignore the code and description. They have nothing to do with the actual rule. 16:36 jcamins Other than that, looks fine. 16:36 jcamins That's for the control number, obviously. 16:36 gerundio I guess I just have to change the Tag and Subfields values 16:37 gerundio but right now my problem just grew bigger 16:37 gerundio I was told that in our library we have multiple records for the same book 16:37 gerundio instead of 1 record + multiple items 16:37 gerundio so I guess there's no matching rule that can save me in this case 16:37 jcamins Also the index. 16:38 jcamins That's correct. 16:38 gerundio so now I'm thinking about reseting the catalog 16:38 gerundio and re-import everything 16:38 gerundio is there any clean way to reset the catalog? 16:38 jcamins That's probably your best bet. 16:39 jcamins You can truncate biblio and the various reservoir tables. 16:40 gerundio would the Batch item deletion tool do the trick? 16:40 jcamins No. 16:40 jcamins Not at all. 16:40 jcamins It only deletes items. 16:41 gerundio I'm not a fan of using queries directly into MySQL :| 16:41 gerundio in this case there's no workaround, is that it? 16:41 jcamins No, there isn't, because it's generally considered a bad idea to make it possible to completely and irretrievably erase all your data. 16:42 jcamins Also, you'd need to truncate the various deleted_* tables. 16:42 gerundio I just found this on the Koha manual: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/resetkohadb.html 16:43 jcamins That You can add auth_header, sessions, and zebraqueue too. 16:43 jcamins s/That // 16:43 jcamins sessions and zebraqueue are automatically truncated every so often. 16:44 jcamins (if you're using packages) 16:47 gerundio how about other tables like issues, reserves and notifies and old*? 16:47 jcamins old*? 16:47 gerundio I see old_reserves and old_issues tables in my DB 16:47 jcamins Hm. 16:47 jcamins Ah. 16:47 jcamins Have you already been circulating? 16:48 jcamins If so, you'll need to delete all that. 16:48 gerundio just for testing purposes 16:48 gerundio :D 16:48 gerundio the list goes on and on ehehehe 16:48 jcamins However, if you've already been circulating, records of any books that are out will be irretrievably lost. 16:48 jcamins druthb may have a list of which tables to *keep* prior to a final migration. 16:48 gerundio well, the number of records and items I'm importing is exactly the number of existing ones right now 16:49 gerundio so if I truncate the main tables and left these ones alone 16:49 jcamins I think those should mostly cascade. 16:49 gerundio with *a lot of* luck they would just match 16:49 jcamins Well... if the system works properly, they should be deleted. 16:50 druthb https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/koha-migration-toolbox/blobs/master/mysql/clean_database.sql will tidy up for a migration, tossing bibs, items, all non-staff borrowers, all transactional data...leaving staff users and configuration stuff. 16:51 jcamins Slick! 16:51 oleonard druthb++ 16:51 gerundio druthb++ 16:51 druthb aw, thanks. 16:52 * druthb blushes. 16:52 gerundio druthb, thanks but that does a lot more than what I need :D 16:52 jcamins gerundio: I think you're better off using it. 16:52 druthb you can drop out any of the lines you *know* you wanna keep, gerundio. This is the script we use for getting ready for migrations. 16:52 jcamins If your database gets out of sync, you'll be in a much worse situation. 16:53 gerundio my problem here is that this is not a migration 16:53 gerundio it's like a big bump on the road 16:53 jcamins Right, but your options as I see them are A) keep the data you have, and fix things either using a very clever script or manually, or B) reload the data. 16:54 * druthb reads her scrollback buffer. 16:54 gerundio I'll have a careful look at the tables in that script and I'll just truncate the ones I want to reload the data into 16:54 gerundio thank you very much both of you for all the info 16:54 druthb It looks like the only problems you're having are biblio/items stuff.. have you loaded patrons? 16:54 jcamins Any attempt at a middle road is going to greatly increase your chances of a situation where my advice is "start over from scratch." 16:54 jcamins druthb: patrons are loaded on the fly from LDAP. 16:56 druthb *Snort* Then you'll wanna run this script, as-is, gerundio. It Works. You're gonna need to back all the way up to biblios in any event, so I'd just do it. Look it over, if you feel it necessary, but I use this script a *lot* for exactly the situation you describe. 16:56 gerundio druthb, I already have some patrons in the DB, loaded from LDAP like jcamins said 16:57 druthb Hosing up the bib load is common as fleas on a stray dog, even for folks who do it all the time (58 migrations last year, I think). So wiping that without messing with configs is something I need to do *a lot*. Thus, this script. 16:58 gerundio well, the script mentions that the configurations and staff settings will be kept 16:58 gerundio in that case, running the script does look like the way to go 16:58 druthb Mhm. That's why I wrote it. 16:59 jcamins Take a backup first, of course. 16:59 gerundio druthb, doesn't user_permissions contains settings for staff? 17:00 gerundio lots of backing up for sure during the works :D 17:00 druthb let me check that repo against my working copy.. I think I see some things that may be different. sec. 17:01 gerundio ok 17:01 druthb Been a while since I pushed that repo. 17:01 gerundio brb, heading over to talk to the IT team 17:03 druthb sure enough, gerundio; I caught that problem some time back and had not pushed it. Refreshing the page will show you the updated script. 17:07 vfernandes any problem with koha translate? 17:08 jcamins vfernandes: you tell us. :) 17:08 vfernandes too slow or not working at all 17:08 jcamins Still? 17:08 vfernandes started like 5 minutes ago 17:09 vfernandes it was working super quickly but then puff... :/ 17:09 jcamins druthb can say for sure, but I just clicked around and it looks pretty fast. 17:10 druthb whizzing along really good for me--no load on the server to speak of. 17:11 gerundio vfernandes, looks good to me too 17:11 gerundio although I'm just click around on some links, not doing any updates 17:11 gerundio druthb, refreshed the SQL script page 17:11 vfernandes damn :/ what's happening? :D 17:12 jcamins vfernandes: route down between you and the server? 17:12 gerundio TRUNCATE user_permissions; still remains there 17:12 vfernandes I don't know... well looks like it's time for a coffee 17:13 vfernandes portugues translations at 90%... looking good 17:13 jcamins vfernandes: :D 17:13 druthb There are only two changes--removing that line, and adding TRUNCATE message_queue;... it updated for me, gerundio, but those are the diffs. 17:17 gerundio druthb, ok, now I see the changes... must have been some cache or something 17:17 druthb probably 17:18 gerundio thanks a lot, sure will be using it tomorrow 17:18 gerundio vfernandes++ 17:18 gerundio nice christmas gift for the Portuguese users 17:19 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @clrh: "1.0 dans les bacs \o/ http://t.co/YHMZ8eLM #ils #sigb #opac #drupal #kohails" 17:19 vfernandes thank god that next week i'm on vacations... i can't see more translations xD 17:27 druthb Getting the translation server has been a bit of mischief--but I appreciate soooooo much all the translators' hard work! 17:54 vfernandes Bug 9279 - simple bug awaiting to be signed off... 17:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9279 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Problem with quick slip templates 18:14 rangi Morning 18:14 wahanui Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast 18:15 jcamins Morning. 18:15 wahanui morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast 18:19 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:19 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Brooklyn, Wellington, New Zealand is 14.4°C (7:17 AM NZDT on December 20, 2012). Conditions: . Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling). 18:19 vfernandes guys how I can add a variable to controll the usermenu.inc in the OPAC 18:19 jcamins First question? 18:19 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" 18:19 vfernandes for example EnhancedMessagingPreferences controlls the appearing of my messaging page 18:20 jcamins Right, but what is it you want to do, exactly? That changes how I might tell you to do things. 18:21 vfernandes bug 9245 - the EnhancedMessagingPreferences enables the my messaging page, the goal is to have another preference to controll the page appearance in OPAC 18:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9245 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Visual Bug under fines tab 18:21 vfernandes bug 9254 sorry 18:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, vfernandes, NEW , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences 18:22 jcamins I understand. 18:22 vfernandes i already added a system preference OPACMessagingPreference 18:22 jcamins In that case, you'll want to add the variable to C4::Auth. 18:22 jcamins In the OPAC section. 18:22 vfernandes humm ok 18:23 vfernandes then in usermenu.inc I have to change this line [% IF ( EnhancedMessagingPreferences ) %] 18:23 jcamins Right. 18:23 jcamins You can change the variable name to OPACEnhancedMessagingPreferences, for example. 18:23 vfernandes ok :) 18:26 vfernandes but OPACEnhancedMessagingPreferences should work only if EnhancedMessagingPreferences is active right? 18:27 jcamins That's up to you. :) 18:27 vfernandes [% IF ( EnhancedMessagingPreferences && OPACEnhancedMessagingPreferences) %] this is possible? 18:28 jcamins Absolutely. 18:28 vfernandes thats what I thought :) 18:43 vfernandes thanks jcamins... patch to bug 9254 submitted 18:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences 18:43 jcamins vfernandes++ 18:44 jcamins Oh, and I need to update the history. 18:44 vfernandes the patch commit guidelines is a good help to set the patch text... 18:44 jcamins Good! 18:45 vfernandes jcamins++ 18:45 vfernandes i have to go... see you tomorrow 18:45 vfernandes bye 18:46 cait jcamins++ 18:48 jcamins Okay, time to go. 18:49 cait now I scared him away 18:49 cait ... 18:53 rangi hi NateC 18:55 cait hi NateC 19:04 rangi ohh another new person 19:04 rangi Nadia Nicolaides 19:04 rangi bug 5634 19:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Ordering branches should be case independent 19:08 cait cool :) 19:08 cait maybe you will get a special christmas present if that continues :) 19:10 rangi cait: can you fix permissions on translate? 19:10 rangi http://translate.koha-community.org/en_NZ/ 19:10 rangi i get Permission Denied 19:11 cait when you try to do what? 19:11 rangi go to that page 19:11 rangi logged in 19:11 cait oh 19:11 rangi i can see it if im not logged in 19:11 cait werid 19:11 cait i can take a look, but I think druthb might be around too 19:11 rangi cool 19:12 * druthb is around, sort of. 19:13 cait rangi: what is your user name? 19:13 cait pootle has no user search... it's alphabetic 19:13 rangi chrisc 19:13 cait right, I am looking in the rong play anyway 19:14 cait hm you only had one permission, try again :) 19:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #34 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 19:15 rangi wow 19:15 cait hm? 19:15 rangi i think this is perhaps the best patch from a new person ever 19:16 cait oh, link? 19:16 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=14200 19:16 rangi followed all the rules! 19:16 cait :) 19:19 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Linking to Authorities in Koha 3.8 and 3.10 http://t.co/I78IZPC1 #kohails" 19:21 cait rangi: does pootle work for you now? 19:22 rangi yep appears to 19:22 rangi thanks 19:22 cait you are welcome :) 19:22 druthb cait++ 19:39 kathryn hi #koha }:0) 19:39 cait hi kathryn :) 19:40 kathryn there's a bucket of cookies on my desk cait, and I'm having trouble getting them eaten! 19:40 cait oh 19:40 kathryn big problems today :( 19:40 cait hehe 19:40 cait need help? :) 19:40 kathryn uh huh 19:41 * cait takes some cookies yum. 19:41 cait thx :) 19:41 kathryn no thank you! 19:42 cait are eythian and rangi not helping with the cookies? :) 19:42 * wizzyrea waves 19:42 wizzyrea how is everybody 19:43 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 19:43 wizzyrea oleonard: hi! 19:44 wizzyrea there was something I was going to ask you about and now I don't remember what it is 19:44 wizzyrea s/is/was/ 19:45 cait hi wizzyrea :) 19:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #34: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/34/ 19:56 jenkins_koha * vfernandes: Bug 9144 - bulkmarcimport.pl - Problem identifying errors 19:56 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 9287 - socialnetworks is enabled by default 19:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9144 trivial, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , bulkmarcimport.pl - Problem identifying errors 19:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9287 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , socialnetworks is enabled by default 19:59 BobB good morning all 20:00 cait hi BobB :) 20:07 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WfQ4t2E7iAU#! 20:17 BobB I have a question. 20:17 BobB I have a Koha catalogue to which we are adding another branch. 20:18 BobB I have a file of marc records that import just fine with no matching rule. 20:19 BobB I know there are exactly matching ISBNs in the file, so I have set up an ISBN matching rule. 20:19 BobB But I don't get any matches. :( 20:19 BobB Here are my settings: 20:20 wizzyrea what version? 20:20 wizzyrea i ask because there was a version somewhere along the line 20:20 wizzyrea where if you edited a rule, or used a new rule 20:20 wizzyrea matching wouldn't work 20:21 BobB ahh, version 3.8.6 20:21 BobB Matching rule code: ISBN, desc 020$a, threshhold 1000 20:21 wizzyrea hmm probably not that recent though 20:22 BobB matchpoint 1: index isbn, score 1001 20:23 BobB matchpoint components 020, a, 0, 0, ISBN 20:23 cait hm why 1001? 20:24 druthb Should work, if zebra is otherwise healthy and returning results from an isbn search. 20:24 BobB match check 1, source: 020, a , 0, 0, null 20:24 druthb Try tossing out the match check, BobB...shouldn't need it. 20:24 BobB target: 020, a, 0, 0, null 20:24 BobB Oh is that right? 20:24 druthb yah. 20:25 BobB Just use the matching rule itself? 20:25 druthb yes. 20:25 BobB I think i did try that though. But I'll try it again. Thx. 20:25 druthb I'm not entirely sure what the match checks are *supposed* to do, even--I've never seen a rule work that had one, though. Toss them out, and it works. QED. 20:27 BobB Its takes half an hour to test each time ... set up a copy of the Koha, check the matching rule, import the file, wait for it to index .... 20:27 cait druthb: maybe treshold = score would help too? 20:27 BobB I'll have another go now. 20:28 cait 1000 and 1001 seems a bit unusual to me, I think we have it on the same value for the 001 rule we use 20:28 druthb Possibly, but it *shouldn't* have to be exactly equal...the threshold or greater is the way it's supposed to work. 20:28 BobB I thought the manual said it had to add up to higher, but equal obviously works for you? 20:30 BobB I haven't looked to see if there are spaces around any of the file entries, but I think they should be ignored anyway, if there? 20:30 druthb should be, yeah. 20:30 BobB ok, thx, I'll try again 20:30 druthb equal does work for me, BobB. 20:31 BobB cool, thank you. 20:31 jcamins_away BobB: when you say "exactly matching ISBNs," you mean that the ISBNs match records already in the database, not a file with duplicates, right? 20:31 BobB Correct jcamins 20:32 jcamins_away BobB: okay, I'll second druthb's recommendation. 20:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Linking to Authorities in Koha 3.8 and 3.10 http://t.co/s48YnBkM" 20:47 janPasi where did koha cronjobs dissappear? :o 20:47 wizzyrea ? 20:48 janPasi shouldn't they be in /var/spool/cron/crontabs? 20:48 jcamins janPasi: they're still there. 20:48 janPasi no they aren't not in my system :O 20:48 jcamins Ummm... why would they be there? 20:48 janPasi althoug I'm sure they were there earlier? 20:48 janPasi what on earth is going on now... :D 20:48 wizzyrea what os? 20:49 jcamins I have no idea what would be in /var/spool/cron/crontabs. 20:49 jcamins I'd think it would be users' crontab files, if anything. 20:49 janPasi where are they then? 20:49 jcamins In misc/cronjobs 20:49 wizzyrea in debian they're in /etc/cron.* 20:50 wizzyrea with packages 20:50 jcamins Wait, do you mean the crontab listing, or the actual scripts? 20:50 wizzyrea but in the tarball they're in misc/cronjobs 20:50 janPasi oh, ok :D 20:50 jcamins Suddenly that question makes much more sense. 20:50 janPasi it must have been the previous slackware system that had them in /var/spool/cron 20:50 wizzyrea oh, yes probably 20:50 wizzyrea slackware! 20:51 wizzyrea brave you are. 20:51 janPasi i love slackware, but debian is easier for koha 20:51 wizzyrea ah yep 20:51 janPasi slackware would really be in need of dependency checking nowdays 20:52 janPasi it's getting too complex to manage without it 20:52 janPasi (or complicated) 20:52 BobB Ok, I've copied the Koha instance and changed the matching rule. 20:52 BobB The rule now is: 20:52 BobB Matching rule code: ISBN, desc 020$a, threshhold 1000 20:52 BobB matchpoint 1: index isbn, score 1000 20:52 BobB matchpoint components 020, a, 0, 0, ISBN 20:52 BobB No match checks. 20:52 jcamins There is always opportunity for people interested in packaging! 20:52 BobB Importing the file. 20:53 cait *fingers crossed* 20:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Update history with our newest committer <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ecf358ee3de0617ef53fc54f30d3f4a34e08b3c> 21:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #985 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:07 BobB hmmm: 0 records with at least one match in catalog per matching rule "ISBN" 21:08 jcamins I'll test an ISBN matching rule. 21:09 BobB thank you jcamins 21:10 jcamins BobB: works perfectly for me. 21:10 jcamins Well... other than stage MARC import not being compatible with starman. 21:11 BobB I'll look further at the actual records, then. 21:11 jcamins BobB: http://screencast.com/t/NbqLEdLjwZ 21:11 jcamins (my matching rule) 21:12 cait jcamins++ :) 21:14 BobB There you go: you have a field Record Type underneath the Threshhold field. I do not have that field! 21:15 jcamins Oh, you're on 3.8? 21:15 BobB What's the tool you used to post that screenshot? 21:15 BobB Yes, 3.8.6 21:15 jcamins Jing. 21:15 jcamins Okay, ignore that field. 21:15 jcamins Prior to 3.10, importing authorities wasn't possible. 21:15 BobB Ah, OK. 21:16 BobB Not the answer then. :( 21:16 jcamins Nope. :( 21:16 cait hm 21:17 cait could it be a search problem? 21:17 cait is search working? 21:17 BobB I will export a record and reimport it. Then it will indisputably be a match. :) 21:17 cait because you the import is using zebra... so if zebresrv was not running or the records were not indexed yet, no matches 21:18 BobB No cait, its the Staging utility that reports no matches. It hasn't got as far as zebra. 21:18 cait i think the staging tool uses zebra indexes for finding the matching records 21:18 jcamins BobB: right, staging the record matches using Zebra. 21:18 jcamins If your Zebra indexes aren't up-to-date, it will match anything. 21:19 cait so maybe try a search for an isbn you think should match 21:19 BobB Wow, that could be it. I copied the koha but did not rebuild zebra afterwards. Two things to try now. :) 21:20 cait good luck! 21:20 jcamins Yes, you'll have to reindex Zebra without a doubt. :) 21:34 BobB rebuilding zebra 21:41 eythian The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding. 21:41 cait hehe 21:44 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding. 21:44 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 21:44 wizzyrea @quote get 23 21:44 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) 21:45 wizzyrea @quote add eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding. 21:45 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #225 added. 21:45 wahanui i already had it that way, wizzyrea. 21:45 wizzyrea the koha community? 21:45 wahanui the koha community is an amazing thing 21:45 wizzyrea The koha community? 21:45 wahanui rumour has it the koha community is an amazing thing 21:58 BobB zebra done. Importing again ... 22:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #985: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/985/ 22:07 jenkins_koha jcamins: Update history with our newest committer 22:08 jcamins Hooray! Success! 22:10 cait yay :) 22:10 cait BobB: hope it's successful this time around 22:15 BobB Success! 22:15 BobB 13948 records with at least one match in catalog per matching rule "ISBN" 22:16 jcamins Yay! 22:16 BobB Two theological colleges merging, its not surprising there are a lot of matches. :) 22:17 BobB So my take on it is this: I was importing into a copy of the Koha but had not rebuilt the index after making the copy: 22:17 BobB so the rule found nothing to match on. 22:17 jcamins Yup, that sounds right. 22:18 BobB Zebra all along. 22:18 BobB The koha community? 22:18 wahanui rumour has it the koha community is an amazing thing 22:18 BobB wahanui: I agree! 22:18 wahanui BobB: excuse me? 22:19 BobB You're excused. 22:19 jcamins wahanui: I agree is <reply> Hear hear! 22:19 wahanui OK, jcamins. 22:19 jcamins I agree! 22:19 jcamins I agree 22:19 jcamins I agree? 22:19 jcamins wahanui: \I agree is <reply> Hear hear! 22:19 wahanui i already had it that way, jcamins. 22:19 jcamins wahanui: \I agree! is <reply> Hear hear! 22:19 wahanui OK, jcamins. 22:19 jcamins I agree! 22:19 cait I agree! 22:19 cait lol 22:20 cait eythian: I think wahanui needs more cookies 22:20 * cjh agree! 22:20 cait and I am really gone now - bye all :) 22:20 BobB lol 22:20 eythian heh 22:20 BobB thank you cait, good night! 22:20 eythian i think it's to do with trigger lengths, but I'm not really sure. 22:20 BobB Thanks everyone, that was quite awesome 22:20 eythian wahanui: literal I agree 22:21 wahanui eythian: what? 22:21 cjh wahanui: literal I agree! 22:21 wahanui cjh: what? 22:21 eythian wahanui: literal the koha community 22:21 wahanui eythian: the koha community =is= an amazing thing 22:21 eythian wahanui: literal \I agree 22:21 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you... 22:21 eythian wahanui: literal \I agree! 22:21 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you... 22:21 cjh heh 22:21 eythian yeah, but that one didn't appear to save in a sensible form I think 22:21 jcamins jcamins agree! 22:21 cjh a disobedient bot 22:21 jcamins wahanui: literal I agree 22:21 wahanui jcamins: what? 22:22 jcamins wahanui: literal jcamins agree 22:22 wahanui jcamins: what? 22:22 cjh wahanui: Agree! 22:22 wahanui cjh: sorry... 22:22 cjh wahanui: agree! 22:22 wahanui cjh: i'm not following you... 22:33 * mtompset needs to figure out how to not hibernate. 22:35 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 22:36 tcohen mtompset: vodka? 22:36 jcamins mtompset: ^^ 22:38 mtompset Windows 7 power options. :P 22:40 eythian mtompset: apt-get remove windows ; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop 22:40 eythian or something like that 22:41 mtompset Sorry, linux games suck, and I hate dual boot. 22:41 jcamins Games? 22:41 wahanui Games are all local executables and not really part of the project per se, but they are all currently listed in a MySql db for various reasons. He has the scripts and some server-side HTML code to generate the interface. 22:41 jcamins Where on earth did that come from? 22:42 cjh wow 22:42 mtompset Good question. 22:43 eythian I thought I heard that steam had gone open beta on Linux now 22:43 * eythian has too many games lined up to play as it is. Still stuck on Braid. 22:43 eythian might revisit that over christmas. 22:44 cjh braid is a great game 22:44 eythian it really is 22:44 jcamins http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2011-06-03#i_685812 22:44 cjh I dont think steam for linux is open yet, they are just sending out more invites. at least last time I checked. 22:44 eythian I also contend the notion that it sucks, therefore mtompset is wrong :) 22:44 eythian might be that 22:44 cjh rangi got his invite :( 22:45 eythian http://tweakers.net/nieuws/86103/steam-linux-gaat-binnenkort-in-open-beta.html <-- looks like it's opening anyway 22:46 * cjh squints at screen 22:46 eythian http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/12/steam-linux-to-launch-open-beta-next-week <-- try that one 22:46 * cjh is getting worse at this reading thing 22:46 eythian I just read the first link I got :) 22:46 cjh \o/ 22:46 eythian and tweakers.net is often interesting 22:47 cjh the words seem interesting, cant speak for the content. 22:47 eythian Maybe you're just having a stroke or something 22:48 cjh I have been studying chemistry all morning, so ver plausible 22:48 eythian that'd do it 22:48 cjh s/very/very/ >.> 22:49 * jcamins squints at the regexed string. 22:49 jcamins Looks the same. 22:49 cjh hahaha 22:49 jcamins :P 22:49 * cjh gives up 22:50 cjh s#s/very/very/#s/ver/very/# 22:50 eythian that could be simplified a lot 22:50 jcamins lol 22:50 eythian 's/y//' would have done it 22:50 jcamins True. 22:50 jcamins No /g 22:50 eythian zactly 22:50 cjh true 22:56 mtompset Did I mention I really dislike steam? :P 22:56 jcamins mtompset: don't move to NYC. Most buildings are heated with it. 22:57 jcamins Yes, that's right. 22:57 wahanui I know. 22:57 jcamins I've got... steeaaaammmm heat, I've got steeeaaammmm heat... 22:57 mtompset Ha ha ha. 22:58 eythian oh, this reminds me, new humble indie bundle of games out today 22:58 jcamins In the past week or so I have managed to quote Pajama Game and A Little Night Music. 22:58 jcamins That's impressive. Those are two shows that rarely come up in conversation. 22:58 jcamins In my experience. 23:03 bag jcamins: you see the hobbit yet? 23:03 jcamins bag: nope. 23:03 jcamins How was it? 23:03 bag I'm going tonight 23:03 bag in 4 hours and 45 minutes ;) 23:03 bag heh 23:04 eythian I'll tell you how it ends... 23:04 bag running to the bathroom cause it's 3 hours long! 23:04 jcamins lol 23:05 bag I'll cheer when I see ByWater on the map :) heh 23:05 bag and get thrown out within 5 minutes of the mocvie starting 23:05 wizzyrea hehe 23:05 wizzyrea that part would be not so good. 23:05 * eythian saw it in what turns out to be among the worlds most advanced theatres, as it was super-upgraded for this movie 23:05 wizzyrea ! 23:05 bag that's soo freaking cool 23:05 wizzyrea how did you find the extra special framerate 23:06 eythian a bit odd to get used to, but once things get moving you forget all about it 23:06 bag I'm going to a theater that has 48fps and 3d but not a massive big screen 23:06 wizzyrea i read that it's actually a hardware problem with humans 23:06 wizzyrea that we can't actually process that much data. 23:06 eythian the world is >48fps 23:06 wizzyrea tech has officially surpassed the human ability concieve of it 23:06 bag really but we see in something close to 60fps or so 23:06 wizzyrea ah no it isn't 23:06 wizzyrea ;) 23:07 wizzyrea your brain can only process ~35 fps 23:07 bag ahhh 23:07 bag not my brain - maybe yours 23:07 wizzyrea then things get weird and you start getting dropped frames 23:07 bag I'm rocking about 5fps 23:07 eythian in that case, >35fps wouldn't matter. 23:07 wizzyrea exactly! 23:08 * wizzyrea will find the article 23:08 wizzyrea it was really interesting 23:08 eythian although, the brain isn't a digital device with a fixed clock cycle, so I'm not sure it's reasonable to make comparisons like that. 23:08 wizzyrea well yes, that's a digital-ised comparison 23:08 jcamins wizzyrea: I read an article about how the reason the framerate is fixed where it is is that it was an early technical limitation, and when they developed the technology for faster refresh, people thought it looked amateurish. 23:08 jcamins (because the silver screen wasn't high fps) 23:09 wizzyrea this is something else I think 23:09 wizzyrea besides that 23:09 eythian it does, the start of it looks like a made-for-tv BBC documentary with people from þe olden timeys. 23:09 wizzyrea (that may be true too) 23:09 * wizzyrea notices this on new tv's and always has to turn off the color correction that does it 23:09 eythian I'm not toally sure if it's the fps or the lighting that does that though. I'd need to compare it in 24fps to know 23:13 BobB @seen mtj 23:13 huginn BobB: mtj was last seen in #koha 6 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <mtj> ooh, i felt that one -> http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2012p938451 23:13 BobB hope it didn 23:13 BobB 't kill him? 23:14 BobB Is mtj on christmas hollies already? 23:15 mtompset I saw it opening night 10pm in theatres. 23:15 mtompset It was pretty good. 3D was pretty lame for the most part though. :( 23:16 jcamins Hey, I saw a sign at a movie theatre that said that they showed movies in 3D, too. 23:16 jcamins Is that a new thing that's common? 23:16 mtompset It's a marketing gimmick for which they charge $1.50 more (or whatever) 23:17 jcamins Given that movie tickets are approach $20, I generally avoid going to movies anyway. 23:17 mtompset $20?! 23:18 bag I love the 3D movies 23:18 mtompset Avatar in 3D was good use of 3D. 23:18 mtompset Hobbit in 3D ... sucky use of 3D. 23:18 bag cause for years and years it never worked for me - I'm red/green color blind 23:18 bag but with the new polarized 3D techies I can see it and really enjoy it 23:18 mtompset Ah, so the newer 3D works for you? 23:18 mtompset Cool. 23:19 jcamins Yeah, I think it was $16/person last time we went to the cinema. 23:19 bag yup Avatar was the first one that really ever worked for me - and really popped off the screen 23:19 bag jcamins: 12 bucks here 23:20 mtompset Also, some theatres are letting you choose your seat when you purchase the ticket. 23:20 jcamins I remember paying $7/ticket. 23:20 mtompset That costs extra too. 23:20 jcamins Not here. 23:20 jcamins You get a crappy seat and still pay a fortune. 23:20 bag I remember $2 a ticket :P 23:22 jcamins Oh, this theatre charges only $11. 23:22 bag heh 23:22 jcamins It's also ~3 miles away. 23:23 jcamins And no subway. 23:26 drojf oh. cinema. the place where you pay a lot of money to watch all these "'piracy' is bad, mkay" commercials, other commercials, get spy'd on with infrared deviced, pay tons of money for a drink and have to listen to strangers eating popcorn and chips for hours. i remember that. good old times. 23:27 * jcamins doesn't like going to films. 23:28 tcohen_ avatar sucked both in 2D and 3D :-P 23:28 jcamins tcohen_: good, that means I don't have to feel bad about not having seen it. 23:28 drojf i was going to say i did not visit a cinema the whole year but it's not true. i have seen a few greenlandic movies at a small film festival, that was pretty nice (w/o commercials, ok ticket prices and not too many people inside) 23:28 mtompset I'm not talking plot, tcohen_. :P 23:28 jcamins I know it's blue. 23:28 jcamins Or green. 23:29 * jcamins has trouble telling the difference between blue and green. 23:29 jcamins But I definitely know the pictures of Avatar were all blue or green. 23:29 tcohen_ heh 23:30 tcohen_ I hope we see some nice Miyazaki's film in 3D soon 23:30 mtompset My driving continues. Have a good day (24 hour period). 23:31 jcamins Ooh! I've actually seen two of his films (on DVD)! 23:32 jcamins (this is exciting because whenever the conversation turns to film, I generally have absolutely no frame of reference... I'm never been a film buff) 23:32 tcohen_ Princess MOnonoke? 23:32 jcamins Nope. Howl's Moving Castle and Spirited Away. 23:32 bag I love going to the movies 23:32 bag I like the big screen 23:33 bag my brother works in hollywood so maybe I got that from him 23:33 tcohen_ both really nice films, a bit sad the first 23:33 tcohen_ leaving, asado ahead byeeee #koha 23:45 cjh howl's moving castle is fantastic.