Time  Nick            Message
22:25 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages
22:25 jenkins_koha    robin: Bug 9052 - rewrite the YUI links to use the system library
22:25 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_3.10.x build #33: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/33/
22:22 eythian         later
22:21 seneca          and now my sick a$$ is heading home to bed! Thanks again all
22:18 wahanui         yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
22:18 eythian         yeah, that
22:18 eythian         authentication, if that's a component?
22:16 seneca          I'm going with architecture...
22:14 seneca          what component would you say that bug should be filed under?
22:05 seneca          thanks soooo much for the help
22:05 eythian         cool :)
22:05 seneca          I shall file the bug
22:05 seneca          awesome
22:05 seneca          ...and disabling them gets around that loop
22:04 * jcamins       leaves to have tea and cookies.
22:04 jcamins         Yay! Time for tea and cookies!
22:04 jcamins         Patrons.
22:04 seneca          good idea
22:04 jcamins         (in the sysprefs)
22:04 jcamins         I always search.
22:04 seneca          well, the toggle for it
22:03 * jcamins       probably would not have thought of it.
22:03 seneca          know off the top of your head where the extended patron attributes are?
22:03 seneca          that's a very cool trick to know - thanks!
22:03 eythian         cool
22:03 seneca          I'm in
22:02 seneca          sorry
22:02 eythian         above that
22:02 seneca          I see it
22:02 seneca          oh
22:02 seneca          my ldap config is at the bottom
22:01 eythian         at the bottom
22:01 eythian         no
22:01 seneca          in the "publicserver" section?
22:00 jcamins         Right.
22:00 eythian         last password outside the LDAP section, anyway
21:59 jcamins         It's the last password.
21:59 jcamins         You may need to find the password in /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml.
21:58 seneca          hmm... you learn something new everyday...
21:58 eythian         dbname and dbpassword gives you superuser access
21:58 eythian         yes
21:58 seneca          I can log into the intranet site with the db credentials?
21:57 jcamins         Good thought.
21:57 edveal          Has anyone come up with some jqury to force phone number to follow a specific format?
21:57 jcamins         Ummm...
21:57 seneca          heh
21:57 eythian         you should be able to log in with the database credentials to fix that
21:57 jcamins         seneca: ooh, right.
21:57 eythian         the followup to that option would be to file a bug
21:57 seneca          I will disable it just as soon as I can log in again ;)
21:56 eythian         what jcamins said
21:56 seneca          just got word from the librarian (my wife) we are not using any
21:56 eythian         the quick option may be to make sure that you have the extended attributes syspref turned off if you're not ....
21:56 jcamins         If you're not using them, you should just disable the ExtendedPatronAttributes syspref.
21:56 seneca          ah
21:56 jcamins         seneca: they're for adding additional information about your patrons that isn't available from the built-in fields.
21:56 eythian         the one affecting you is that it should be a foreach
21:55 eythian         ok, that looks wrong in a couple of ways
21:55 seneca          that's the loop
21:55 eythian         me too, unless I need the index.
21:55 seneca          http://pastebin.com/2cvHVEGQ
21:55 jcamins         for loops like that are for C, in my mind.
21:54 * jcamins       always just uses foreach.
21:54 eythian         I wonder if it's trying to do that, but wrong
21:54 eythian         jcamins: people who don't know better often do #$array-1 in a loop
21:54 eythian         but that would also be strange, you'd just start $i at 1
21:53 eythian         jcamins: it might be, if it's accessing $i+1 inside the loop (I haven't looked)
21:53 seneca          what are "extended patron attributes?
21:53 jcamins         eythian: really? I thought it had something to do with zero-based and one-based indexing.
21:53 seneca          ah
21:53 eythian         if that loop was better formed, it'd just do nothing.
21:52 seneca          hmm
21:52 eythian         jcamins: no, it does "each but skip the last one"
21:52 jcamins         Apparently it does.
21:52 jcamins         Looks to me like that array is undefined if no extended patron attributes are configured
21:52 seneca          b/c having none configured wouldn't make it fail, would it?
21:52 seneca          there are no extended patron attributes configured, or that array is undefined?
21:52 jcamins         eythian: it's a weird way of doing each.
21:51 seneca          So....
21:51 eythian         though I wonder why the -1 is there.
21:51 eythian         not
21:51 eythian         oh, maybe now
21:51 eythian         also, that's weird and unnecessary code
21:51 jcamins         There are no extended patron attributes configured.
21:50 eythian         ?
21:50 eythian         do you use them>
21:50 jcamins         Now I understand.
21:50 eythian         ok, so that means that $extended_p... is undef
21:50 jcamins         Ah.
21:50 seneca          and 181 is: for (my $i; $i< scalar(@$extended_patron_attributes)-1;$i++) {
21:50 eythian         522 is not 181 though
21:49 seneca          well, 522 is where the comments start...
21:49 eythian         that's the important bit
21:49 eythian         is there anything on line 181 that would give you a clue as to what it's expecting.
21:49 seneca          wondering what the <DATA> part is
21:48 seneca          does that error look weird to anyone else?
21:48 jcamins         I think libsysguy has done it, but he's not around.
21:47 seneca          anybody else using ldap with version 3.10?
21:45 jenkins_koha    Starting build #33 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:44 rangi           he is new
21:44 rangi           yep
21:44 rangi           lemme check
21:44 rangi           i think so
21:44 jcamins         Do I need to update docs/history.txt?
21:44 rangi           Vitor FERNANDES
21:43 jcamins         rangi: oh?
21:43 jcamins         Yeah, I'm not surprised.
21:43 rangi           ohh another new committer
21:43 seneca          even google has no responses to: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 181, <DATA> line 522.
21:42 slef            when I get a round tuit
21:42 eythian         It'd be great if someone would sign off on 9250 though :)
21:42 slef            damn this dyslexia! ;-)
21:41 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages
21:41 eythian         bug 9052
21:41 huginn          slef: I've exhausted my database of quotes
21:41 slef            huginn: you suck
21:41 mtompset        And now to go pick up my son from daycare. So much chauffeuring.
21:41 huginn          slef: No results for "yui css."
21:41 slef            huginn: query yui css
21:41 slef            no
21:41 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages
21:41 slef            bug 9250 perhaps
21:40 seneca          unfortunately, CSS doesn't appear to be at the root of the ldap issue ;)
21:40 seneca          thanks for that tip
21:40 seneca          it appears to like that version
21:39 seneca          ok, I guess that's where that one went astray to
21:39 maximep         ok, thanks
21:39 jcamins         maximep: no.
21:39 eythian         hi
21:38 seneca          wait, in yui there is a dir called "reset-fonts-grids" and in there is already a file called reset-fonts-grids.css
21:38 maximep         was a bug report opened for it ?
21:38 jcamins         mtompset: I checked only after the change.
21:37 jcamins         maximep: it never occurred to me.
21:37 jcamins         mtompset: not in this case.
21:37 jcamins         maximep: you are not missing something.
21:37 mtompset        Don't forget those stupid stale CSS situations. ;)
21:36 maximep         am i missing something or are localcovers not shown in the shelf browser ?
21:36 wahanui         weird is normal after a while :)
21:36 seneca          weird...
21:35 jcamins         It's still failing to load http://library.mvschool.com/opac-tmpl/lib/yui/reset-fonts-grids.css
21:35 seneca          yeah, I found /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/css/skin.css
21:34 jcamins         You need both.
21:34 jcamins         Did you find skin.css?
21:33 seneca          er no
21:33 seneca          hrm. np change
21:31 jcamins         http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/lib/yui/reset-fonts-grids.css;h=a21e2c4458654f1126e068957975f4f692e2b606;hb=HEAD
21:30 jcamins         Weird. I suggest you just download a copy from...
21:29 seneca          not seeing the first one at all...
21:29 jcamins         But a find should answer that question.
21:28 jcamins         I have no idea where they are at present.
21:28 seneca          thanks!
21:28 seneca          or feel like just telling me? :)
21:28 jcamins         You need the files reset-fonts-grid.css and skin.css to be in /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/lib/yui/
21:28 seneca          anyone have a link to the bug report?
21:28 jcamins         Yeah.
21:27 seneca          maybe move them where they belong?
21:27 seneca          can one manually fix that?
21:27 seneca          oh!
21:27 jcamins         Two files ended up in the wrong place.
21:26 jcamins         Oh, I bet it's the CSS issue that's going to be fixed by 3.10.1
21:26 seneca          hadn't noticed that...
21:26 seneca          library.mvschool.com
21:26 seneca          woah - also, the opac looks...odd
21:25 jcamins         seneca: I know about this blog post, which probably won't help... :/ http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/07/09/koha-ldap/
21:25 seneca          the correct ldap stuff is still in the config...
21:24 mtompset        In that location. :)
21:24 jcamins         /etc/koha/sites/[instancename]/koha-conf.xml.
21:24 mtompset        LDAP still needs to be edit'd manually, as far as I know.
21:24 seneca          where is the koha config when you use the apt install?
21:23 seneca          ha!
21:23 jcamins         I figured that "I didn't configure LDAP" would probably explain the issue most quickly.
21:23 mtompset        Is there a config value that needs to be toggled to 1? :)
21:23 seneca          checking that config now
21:23 jcamins         Okay.
21:23 seneca          we do
21:23 jcamins         I don't know anything about the LDAP auth code, but the first question is whether you use LDAP.
21:22 seneca          upgraded from 3.8 something, if that helps
21:19 seneca          just did an upgrade via apt-get, koha went to 3.10.0.0 and now I get this when logging in: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm
21:18 seneca          okay, apparently I left too soon!
21:03 seneca          ciao all
21:02 seneca          Saw that, but koha is the only Vhost on this server, and will be, so I set it globally
20:53 slef            can be set inside the VirtualHost
20:52 slef            can be useful
20:52 slef            itk has MaxClientsVHost too
20:50 seneca          I will let you know if the problem doesn't raise its ugly head tomorrow
20:50 seneca          and anyone else who chimed in...
20:49 seneca          thanks for the help jcamins, rangi and larryb
20:49 seneca          ok, set my global MaxClients and KeepAliveTimeout to conservative numbers (I think) and I await until the next class is in there at 2pm tomorrow.
20:48 rangi           jcamins++
20:48 rangi           druthb++
20:48 rangi           w00t
20:46 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
20:46 jcamins         Bug 9239 awaits testing and sign off!
20:44 druthb          rangi:  Done, I think, for all en-nz versions.  If I did it right.
20:42 rangi           thanks
20:42 druthb          sure! :)
20:42 rangi           druthb: dns seems to have clicked over, .. if you get a chance later, can you give my user (chrisc) upload privs on 3.10 en-nz please
20:36 seneca          HA! I just saw the line in the docs of mpm-itk that rangi quoted above
20:36 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #983: FIXED in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/983/
20:36 jenkins_koha    Yippie, build fixed!
20:32 larryb          I suppose it might work, but I've never tried it with our package sites.
20:32 seneca          then I shall not mess with it
20:32 seneca          ah
20:32 larryb          It'll cause problems when you upgrade the package Koha. Package koha requires itk.
20:31 seneca          larryb: OK, I'm familiar with it being there.
20:31 mtompset        Greetings, cait wizzyrea rangi seneca larryb etc. :)
20:31 seneca          Of course, I'm not against switching to prefork, worker, or event if that will work
20:31 larryb          seneca, No the VirtualHost directive exists in sites-available/<your-koha-instance>
20:30 cait            wizzyrea: good morning :) sorry was busy lemon cake - this morning it showed a database error when you got to the support vendor page
20:30 seneca          should I have a VirtualHost section in apache.conf? (I don't currently)
20:29 rangi           you can set max clients on a per virtualhost basis
20:29 rangi           MaxClientsVHost can only be set inside a VirtualHost directive; all others can be set wherever you'd like in the Apache configuration, except in .htaccess.
20:28 seneca          I've never used itk before
20:28 rangi           i think it needs to be outside of it
20:28 seneca          thanks larryb
20:24 larryb          rangi, wizzyrea: do you guys add an mpm-itk section to your apache2.conf? Most of our sites use git, so I don't have a sample section.
20:24 seneca          is that just anywhere in there, outside of an IfModule section?
20:24 seneca          thanks larryb, but where do I change that default in apache.conf?
20:23 larryb          No, I believe it'll use the default settings, which for MaxClients is an egregious 150.
20:22 seneca          there's not a distinct config section for mpm-itk... does it use the prefork config section?
20:21 seneca          oops... I am
20:21 seneca          IA m
20:21 larryb          If you're using Koha package, then yeah, that's the default.
20:20 seneca          it appears this server is running mpm-itk
20:20 seneca          hmm
20:16 larryb          We have lots of servers, ranging from 512M to 32G. For a 2G server, esp one that frequently has students using it, I edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and set KeepAliveTimeout to 2 and MaxClients to 25 (if you're using mpm-worker).
20:14 seneca          What are some example settings that you guys use? And I guess I should ask how much RAM is in the example servers.
20:12 rangi           those kind of things
20:12 rangi           ThreadsPerChild
20:12 rangi           MaxClients
20:12 larryb          We've said it several times. YOu have a classroom of kids, they all submit searches at once, they get impatient if they don't get a response back in 2 seconds, they hit reload, the system gets slower, they hit reload more often, processes start piling up, and boom, you're out of memory.
20:11 seneca          But if I were going to make a setting in apache to prevent this problem, what config options would you recommend I set?
20:10 seneca          I guess I still don't understand what would cause that many opac-search.pl instances to show up and claim RAM all at once.
20:09 larryb          Perhaps those are different on your new server than they were on the old.
20:09 larryb          Lots of things can change with a move to a new server. The primary ones that affect memory usage are the mysql settings, in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, and the apache settings, in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf.
20:09 jcamins         Older versions of Koha were definitely smaller.
20:08 seneca          before that we were using an older Debian install for a couple of years with 2GB of RAM, without this issue
20:07 seneca          also, to throw some context into the situation, this problem is relatively new, although we've been using this Debian install of the server for a few months
20:06 seneca          larryb, yeas, I understand - the server crashes with "out of memory" errors, which is why I was watching top ordered for mem usage
20:06 seneca          that doesn't sound like the compound problem you and jcamins have been describing
20:06 larryb          Well, that plus the number of connections to mysql.
20:05 larryb          The perl and apache processes start using your RAM, that's what's slowing you down, not the cpu.
20:05 seneca          I guess I still don't understand why ~66 opac-search.pl instances would claim some memory all at once
20:04 seneca          not cpu usage
20:04 seneca          larryb: I get that, but as I was watching top, I had it ordered by mem usage
20:03 larryb          Basically, lots of reloads in koha = death.
20:03 larryb          So hitting reload not only creates new processes, without killing the old ones, but the old ones hang around even longer, until they time out.
20:02 larryb          Since the browser now thinks a new process has been submitted, the old process has nowhere to send it's output, so it hangs about until it times out.
20:01 larryb          Pretty much every task creates a perl process. If you hit reload, a new process is created, but the previous is still running.
20:00 larryb          Yes, that could easily happen when a classroom of kids get impatient start hitting reload.
20:00 jcamins         seneca: sure it would... they weren't using any CPU.
20:00 seneca          jcamins: again, I appreciate the help and the ability to talk this through with someone
20:00 seneca          jcamins: would ~66 of these pages show up suddenly in top within a couple of seconds of each other? It doesn't seem like that's what would happen with what you've been describing
20:00 jcamins         Also, it strikes me that it could be less or more time depending on the size of the server.
19:58 izzaboo         thank you guys!
19:58 izzaboo         i was spending so much time reading about lists when I should've been reading this: http://es.koha-community.org/manual/files/master/en/ch09.html
19:58 jcamins         seneca: I'm not sure whether they're non-garbage collected pages that have been used, pages where the remote end doesn't want them, pages that never got any CPU time, or something else I haven't thought of.
19:56 seneca          jcamins: "spare opac-search.pl" pages? like apache gets them ready, but they are never used?
19:56 izzaboo         then i can parse the json into a small <ul> i think
19:56 izzaboo         okay. i'll look into the reports
19:56 rangi           so its super easy to pull into a website
19:56 rangi           it can cache the results for you if you wnt too, and you can get it in json
19:56 jcamins         It's an observation that when the load gets really heavy, spare opac-search.pl pages will hang around for about a minute and a half before they finally exit.
19:55 rangi           i really really recommend using the reports
19:55 seneca          jcamins: heh
19:55 izzaboo         i didn't see a php api. should i get access to the db directly? or use the same query fields from the opac website?
19:55 jcamins         seneca: the minute and a half is not a scientific measure.
19:55 * oleonard      worked on RSS for lists, but didn't get very far
19:54 oleonard        izzaboo: Or build something in PHP that queries Koha directly
19:54 wizzyrea        ^ ^
19:54 rangi           if you are using 3.10 or later
19:54 rangi           izzaboo: you can use reports, make a public report then you can get the contents as json from the opac
19:53 seneca          heh
19:53 izzaboo         heh
19:53 izzaboo         bots are ppl too!
19:53 seneca          jcamins: but then how do you get to a minute and half?
19:53 wizzyrea        :)
19:53 wizzyrea        that probably won't help you
19:53 jcamins         izzaboo: wahanui is a bot.
19:53 wizzyrea        er, izzaboo wahanui is a bot
19:53 oleonard        izzaboo: There is no built-in functionality to accomplish that
19:53 seneca          jcamins: sure
19:53 wahanui         no problem izzaboo
19:53 izzaboo         wahanui: thanks!
19:53 rangi           however if 9 ppl do that, that 1 to 2 can easily become 3-4
19:52 wahanui         the wiki is kind of an expert http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
19:52 izzaboo         and the wiki
19:52 izzaboo         been searching through listserve archive
19:52 seneca          jcamins: that's what I thought - when I do a search in the opac it returns my answer on average in about 1 to 2 seconds
19:52 izzaboo         and looking for ways to integrate opac lists into library's website
19:52 jcamins         seneca: it's the most computationally intensive page, as well as the one most likely to be clicked to death by students.
19:52 izzaboo         i'm new to koha. doing some probono wordpress work for local library
19:51 jcamins         izzaboo: go ahead.
19:51 wizzyrea        go for it :)
19:51 jcamins         seneca: that's the search screen. For searching for books.
19:51 izzaboo         mind if I interupt/ject?
19:51 izzaboo         hi there. i've got a question that's a little higher level, so to speak, than what y'all are talking about.
19:51 seneca          let me ask this: what is it that opac-search.pl does?
19:51 jcamins         And every additional request makes it slower.
19:51 jcamins         Because starting the Apache process is slooooowww.
19:50 seneca          (I'm trying to figure out what I don't understand that you guys do)
19:50 seneca          why a minute and a half?
19:50 jcamins         Nah, it's 9 kids hitting seven times in the same minute and a half.
19:49 wizzyrea        rhymes with "kiddos"
19:49 wizzyrea        SIDDOS
19:49 larryb          I've seen this dozens and dozens (and dozens) of times. I call it a "self-inflicted denial of service attack".
19:49 seneca          9 kids hitting 7 times in the same 2 seconds
19:49 wizzyrea        not these kids.
19:49 jcamins         seneca: I didn't mean that literally.
19:49 seneca          jcamins: I've been working as a director of technology in a school for 8+ years, and I was a teacher before that for 7, so I actually HAVE seen a kid use a computer
19:49 jcamins         My 12yo cousin is incredible... click..click..click..refreshrefreshrefreshrefreshrefreshrefreshrefreshrefreshrefreshrefresh... "I'm bored."
19:49 trea            ^^
19:49 wizzyrea        because that is the world they live in
19:48 wizzyrea        they are going to try again
19:48 wizzyrea        and if it doesn't come back in 2ms
19:48 larryb          All you have to do is get 9 students to hit reload 7 times and you've got your 66.
19:48 wizzyrea        they are CLICK HAPPY
19:48 * wizzyrea      has
19:48 larryb          saw the discussion on the logs. For a 2G server, 9 students is plenty to crash it.
19:48 jcamins         seneca: you've never watched kids use a computer.
19:48 seneca          wow. that's incredible to me
19:47 * jcamins       goes back to doing something useful.
19:47 jcamins         seneca: ~25 students on an 8GB server.
19:47 * larryb        waves
19:46 seneca          9 kids hitting 66 searches all within a few seconds of eachother seems pretty far fetched. :)
19:46 seneca          how big was their class?
19:46 seneca          hmm
19:46 jcamins         Their server went down every time there was a class, too.
19:45 seneca          me too, I just installed this Debian server + koha-from-apt server a few months ago and didn't realize that the access log was disabled by default
19:45 seneca          by my calculation, that would be a sudden ~66 opac searches simultaneously
19:45 * wizzyrea      considers these things good practice anyway
19:45 wizzyrea        and it couldn't hurt to have a robots.txt
19:44 jcamins         I worked for a support vendor that had a union catalog which included schools.
19:44 wizzyrea        *shrug* only way to know would be to turn on the logs
19:44 seneca          and I just did, thanks for that tip
19:44 rangi           you could turn your access logs on .. then you'd actually know, not just be guessing
19:44 seneca          hehe
19:44 seneca          but the internet's people and bots don't have any way to line up with when classes are using the opac
19:44 * wizzyrea      was just asking questions
19:44 * wizzyrea      wasn't going to say anythign
19:43 seneca          yeah, it is, and I know what you're going to say
19:43 wizzyrea        your opac is internet accessible eh?
19:43 seneca          everything seemed to be working as it should, until it wasn't: in about 1 or 2 seconds so many opac-search.pl instances pooped into existence that it ate up nearly 2GB of RAM and crashed the server
19:43 jcamins         Yeah.
19:42 wizzyrea        99.98% or something
19:42 rangi           nice!
19:42 jcamins         But awesomely close thereto.
19:42 jcamins         Okay, not _perfect_
19:42 wizzyrea        fast indexer went off?
19:42 wizzyrea        \o/
19:42 jcamins         I am ~10 lines from perfect coverage in my unit test.
19:41 seneca          no, the processes weren't stacking up
19:41 seneca          instances of opac-search.pl were popping in and out of existence like they are supposed to
19:41 * jcamins       leaves again.
19:41 jcamins         And the processes just kept on stackig up, like the kids were hitting refresh too quickly?
19:40 seneca          b/c this has happened before, I was watching the server
19:40 jcamins         rangi: no it isn't. It's the fact that 10 kids all typed in the exact same thing, hit enter simultaneously, clicked "search," clicked again, clicked refresh, and took down the server.
19:40 seneca          and they were all using the opac for 30 mins before the problem occured
19:40 seneca          the class today was all of 9 people
19:40 wahanui         wizzyrea: We're upgrading /dev/null
19:40 rangi           mayan prophesy
19:40 wizzyrea        excuse?
19:40 seneca          sorta:
19:40 rangi           its the phase of the moon
19:40 jcamins         seneca: you have a class full of students all hitting the OPAC at once?
19:39 seneca          something just doesn't sound right
19:39 seneca          and I appreciate the feedback, but I've got about the same amount of experience running apaceh on servers at this same school
19:39 seneca          I'm not ignoring you, I'm responding, aren't I? ;)
19:38 rangi           right, well i told you what i think happened from 12 years of koha experience, you are of course free to ignore me
19:38 seneca          and there's no way (I don't think) that we suddenly got enough searches to take out 2GB of RAM in a second's time
19:37 rangi           ppl hitting refresh cos its slow
19:37 rangi           yes
19:37 seneca          I get that, but I don't think anything is telling apache to open the connections - the thing that would do that would be people or bots doing opac searches, right?
19:36 rangi           that will happen, apache will just keep opening more connections up to its limit
19:36 seneca          2 GB of RAM on this server
19:35 rangi           if you hit swap
19:35 rangi           than try to serve more than you can serve
19:35 rangi           its better to have some queue up
19:35 seneca          hmmm
19:34 rangi           because you dont have enough ram to handle as much as you are telling apache you can handle
19:34 rangi           then you justt need to lower the concurrent threads/workers on your apache
19:34 seneca          it only freezes/crashes when a class is being taught how to uses the opac
19:33 seneca          I think we can make it happen...
19:33 seneca          I se what you're getting at, but I don't think that's it'
19:33 rangi           do you have a robots.txt ?
19:33 rangi           or baidu
19:33 rangi           i suspect google :)
19:32 rangi           that way you will be able to see whats actually hitting it
19:32 rangi           go to your virtual host config for your koha sites and uncomment the accesslog for the opac
19:32 seneca          apache access?
19:32 wizzyrea        cait - support provider list broken how?
19:31 seneca          all of them claiming ~1.5% of the memory
19:31 rangi           what does the access log say?
19:31 seneca          everything was cool, until suddenly at least 22 "opac-search.pl" instances opened (all that I could see in the term where I was watching top)
19:30 seneca          but we're a small school, and it crashed when only 9 students were using the opac at once
19:30 * wizzyrea      waves
19:30 seneca          over and over and over
19:30 seneca          the koha-error.log is showing: Premature end of script headers: opac-search.pl, referer: http://library.mvschool.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=hanukkah&limit=
19:29 jenkins_koha    Starting build #983 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #978 3 days 17 hr ago)
19:29 jenkins_koha    rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
19:29 rangi           !jenkins build koha_master now
19:29 rangi           seneca: yep it runs for each search
19:28 seneca          rangi: I don't think anything from outside was hammering the server
19:22 rangi           yep its unlikely to happen
19:22 jcamins         I tested it on packages and regular installs (as well as git), but not a regular install with a git checkout.
19:21 jcamins         Never even occurred to me to want to.
19:21 rangi           i can fix that with a symlink on jenkins, but im not sure if will bite others
19:21 jcamins         rangi: you know, I never tested it where I was checking out code but not installing it.
19:21 rangi           not the one that is in the checkout
19:21 seneca          does opac-search.pl run for each search?
19:21 rangi           its looking at the kohaversion that is installed
19:21 rangi           jcamins: i think its a pathing issue
19:20 rangi           seneca: check your access logs, something is probably hammering the server
19:19 seneca          Anyone know what would cause "opac-search.pl" on Debian to suddenly multiply and eat up all the RAM, thereby freezing the OS?
19:18 rangi           my $cgidir = C4::Context->intranetdir;
19:17 jcamins         Yeah, but all that does is loads kohaversion.pl.
19:16 rangi           i bet that is failing
19:16 rangi           C4::Context->final_linear_version
19:15 jcamins         Seems likely.
19:15 jcamins         tcohen: hehe.
19:15 tcohen          maybe its just cursed
19:15 rangi           hmm thats my guess
19:14 jcamins         It must be failing to load kohaversion.pl
19:14 wahanui         not sure why is still pulling it
19:14 rangi           not sure why
19:14 jcamins         That's really weird.
19:14 rangi           it just skipped right past 008
19:14 jcamins         Thanks.
19:14 jcamins         Okay.
19:14 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Separate tabs for my holdings and others holdings
19:14 rangi           Upgrade to 3.11.00.009 done (Bug 7674: Add systempreferences SeparateHoldings, SeparateHoldingsBranch, OpacSeparateHoldings and OpacSeparateHoldingsBranch)
19:14 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9056 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, NEW , Add more translations to table language_descriptions
19:14 rangi           Upgrade to 3.11.00.007 done (Bug 9056: add German and a couple of French translations to language_descriptions)
19:14 rangi           i wound it back to 006
19:12 jcamins         Yeah, that looks right.
19:12 rangi           /var/lib/jenkins/jobs/Koha_master/workspace
19:12 rangi           echo $PERL5LIB
19:12 rangi           nope
19:12 jcamins         Oh, I just thought of something... you don't have PERL5LIB pointing to somewhere else, do you?
19:11 rangi           but i can wind it back and try again
19:11 jcamins         I'll just revert CheckVersion if it does not.
19:11 rangi           it was .007 just before i ran it this morning
19:11 jcamins         If you manually set the version back does it still not run?
19:11 jcamins         Okay.
19:10 jcamins         I've had several people check, and .008 ran on every single other computer.
19:10 rangi           that checkversion is totally not working on jenkins
19:10 jcamins         that's bizarre.
19:10 jcamins         ...
19:10 rangi           but the .008 change never ran, so tests are still failing
19:10 rangi           so its now at 3.11.00.009
19:10 rangi           ran
19:10 rangi           if (C4::Context->preference("Version") < TransformToNum($DBversion)) {
19:10 rangi           $DBversion = "3.11.00.009";
19:09 rangi           but
19:09 rangi           still failed
19:09 rangi           if (CheckVersion($DBversion)) {
19:09 rangi           $DBversion = "3.11.00.008";
19:09 rangi           ie
19:09 rangi           jcamins: it jumped past the borrower_modifications changes
19:08 rangi           cool
19:08 druthb          sure.  I'll keep the redirect up, no itch.
19:08 rangi           dns changed, it will take some time to filter around the net
19:07 druthb          rangi++
19:04 rangi           ill change the dns now
19:04 rangi           righto thanks
19:02 druthb          (this afternoon, if I can sort out what needs to be done.  I got little-to-no documentation.)
19:02 druthb          rangi:  You can change the DNS any time; I'm using a redirect, and the move has already happened.  Yes, I did; I'll be doing the update this evening.
18:59 wahanui         well, git-bz is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
18:59 mtompset        git-bz?
18:57 mtompset        Good job, vfernandes. :)
18:55 vfernandes      bye guys :) my first patch pushed... and portuguese translations do 3.8 at almost 80%. I'm happy :P
18:31 rangi           druthb_lunch: lemme know when you want dns changed,  also did you see my string freeze email?
18:29 jcamins         rangi: thanks!
18:29 rangi           jcamins: ill try the db update when I get to my desk
18:28 cait            morning rangi
18:27 wahanui         Morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:27 rangi           Morning
18:23 izzaboo         hallo
18:05 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9144 trivial, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , bulkmarcimport.pl - Problem identifying errors
18:05 jenkins_koha    vfernandes: Bug 9144 - bulkmarcimport.pl - Problem identifying errors
18:05 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #982: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/982/
17:43 CharlottevL     czech language has some crazy characters like ščřž etc... It's a bit boring to write all labels by hand. I'll try to solve it :)
17:41 * jcamins       doesn't know anything about it, sorry.
17:41 huginn          04Bug 8375: normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, In Discussion , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
17:41 CharlottevL     Hi. I've tried it once again adding one line in perl program according to http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 but it's still not working. Does someone has some experiences with label printing in PDF?
17:38 jcamins         No, it's just that Paul didn't update koha-latest.
17:38 mtompset        Just surfed to http://download.koha-community.org/ -- I think the inclusion of 3.6.x probably caused a screw up?
17:36 mtompset        Who packages the tar files?
17:35 mtompset        No, it doesn't.
17:35 jcamins         That doesn't seem right.
17:35 mtompset        I just did a wget http://download.koha-community.org/koha-latest.tar.gz and got 3.8.7
17:34 mtompset        Don't recognize the songs, so I can't appreciate. Sorry.
17:29 * cait          waves
17:28 jcamins         Alas, no one ever appreciates my clever song lyric quoting.
17:24 * jcamins       chortles
17:24 jcamins         (and for the record, that wasn't gloomy... it was profound)
17:23 * jcamins       pictures someone playing the cello and singing "Later... when is later? All you ever hear is Later, Zebra, later. Yes we know, Zebra, oh Zebra, everyone agrees Zebra, please, Zebra... give me search results"
17:20 H               time for my cello lessons all have a fun evening untill later
17:17 CharlottevL     uaah!  thank you:) I was looking for it there for 10 minutes..
17:17 H               still wonder why i did not have to do that in the first install
17:17 jcamins         khall: it is missing a very small amount of configuration, and a unit test.
17:17 H               oh thx the cronjob works
17:17 jcamins         CharlottevL: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=labels/label-create-pdf.pl;h=6d32c6cfc8e14db79a3bded4d8c9a46d0247b8aa;hb=5c32a9f811d8506f9230be60e2410320141f786e
17:16 CharlottevL     jcamins: 3.08.00.000
17:16 jcamins         CharlottevL: what version of Koha?
17:16 khall           cool, I look forward to testing that!
17:15 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, In Discussion , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
17:15 CharlottevL     Hi... I have a stupid problem.. I was trying to repair bug 8375 (not correct diacritics when PDF export) and I haven't saved he original "label-create-pdf.pl". the patch is not working, can someone send me the original perl? :(
17:14 huginn          druthb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #224 added.
17:14 druthb          @quote add jcamins:  QueryParser! The all-singing, all-dancing, all-parsing, and all-finding new query parser for the search rewrite!
17:14 jcamins         It is not quite at "Needs signoff."
17:14 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
17:14 jcamins         Bug 9239
17:13 jcamins         Umm...
17:13 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9321 was not found.
17:13 jcamins         bug 9321
17:13 jcamins         No.
17:13 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9123 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Authorities search ordered by authid does not work
17:13 jcamins         Bug 9123
17:13 jcamins         The all-singing, all-dancing, all-parsing, and all-finding new query parser for the search rewrite!
17:13 jcamins         QueryParser!
17:13 jcamins         I'm glad you asked!
17:13 jcamins         lol
17:13 jcamins         ...
17:12 wahanui         the alternative is collecting jars to put it in so you can throw it away, where it does no one any good.
17:12 khall           what's the alternative?
17:12 jcamins         My preferred solution, of course, is to just stop using CCL2RPN since it's a bad idea all around. ;)
17:12 jcamins         khall: really? I was able to reproduce the problem.
17:11 H               ah there they are i try it
17:11 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , searches with quotation marks don't work
17:11 khall           looks like I'm using ICU but I still cannot reproduce bug 7518
17:10 H               he runs but the zebra is fighting back
17:10 jcamins         Here's an example crontab: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/cronjobs/crontab.example;h=012747ca0c787b62b50e0713f8fc33134c9dc1b2;hb=HEAD
17:10 H               :)
17:10 H               got some help here to do it the old fashion way
17:10 jcamins         Ah.
17:09 H               did not work
17:09 H               well old machine = test machiine
17:09 jcamins         Wait, aren't you using Ubuntu? Why aren't you using packages?
17:09 jcamins         One moment, I'll find a sample.
17:09 H               still does lol
17:09 khall           jcamins: thanks!
17:09 jcamins         Yeah.
17:09 jcamins         I'm surprised it worked at all on the old machine, then. :/
17:08 H               is that just a line ?
17:08 H               ah did not do that in the old machine
17:08 jcamins         H: you should set your environment variables in your crontab.
17:07 H               question on my new server for my zebra search seems to lose his ENV variables and so also my cronjob does not run ... if i put in the variables i can do the indexing but then the next login no variables annyone knows this problem ?
17:04 jcamins         Yeah, just take a look at zebradb/etc/default.idx.
17:04 khall           how about with terminal access?
17:03 jcamins         khall: without terminal access, no.
17:03 khall           is there a quick way for me to verify that ICU indexing is enable for a koha installation?
17:03 H               Hey all
17:01 huginn          jcamins: The operation succeeded.
17:01 jcamins         @later tell rangi Could you please try running updatedatedatabase.pl again on jenkins?
17:00 jenkins_koha    Starting build #982 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #978 3 days 15 hr ago)
16:56 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9144 - bulkmarcimport.pl - Problem identifying errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33e95ea3b903b3ec75305a96f37d1954feb4e0b1>
16:53 * mtompset      grins.
16:48 druthb          [off]  Yah.  I know a lot of reference librarians who have the "looking sourly..." part down pat.
16:47 oleonard        [off] Here all we would need to add would be the wiffle bat
16:46 jcamins         lol
16:43 * druthb        imagines a big burly guy with a nametag reading "Marc" as part of the library staff, a wiffle-bat in his hand, looking sourly at patrons.  That'd scare me.
16:42 huginn          druthb: Quote #199: "chris_n: considering marc is scary to us, I can't imagine what it does to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 02:24 PM, April 09, 2012)
16:42 druthb          @quote random
16:37 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @MASmedios: "esto nos gusta bastante ... RT @kohails: #kohails  RDA Redux http://t.co/ZjKj0Suh"
16:36 huginn          mtompset: Quote #204: "jcamins: It makes me feel like MARC has failed me." (added by chris_n at 05:37 PM, May 11, 2012)
16:36 mtompset        @quote random
16:34 huginn          gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
16:34 gmcharlt        @quote remove 158
16:34 huginn          gmcharlt: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
16:34 gmcharlt        @list Quote
16:34 gmcharlt        list Quote
16:34 huginn          gmcharlt: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
16:34 gmcharlt        @quote delete 158
16:34 * mtompset      nods, "404."
16:34 gmcharlt        meh, 404
16:34 huginn          gmcharlt: Quote #158: "http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/280x280/9804273.jpg" (added by wizzyrea at 04:45 PM, September 23, 2011)
16:34 gmcharlt        @quote random
16:33 mtompset        Shoot! I have just confirmed tcohen's 64-bit issue. ARG!
16:25 reiveune        bye
16:21 jcamins         Yeah, I'd recommend a script.
16:20 gerundio        around 5k have wrong item types assigned to
16:19 gerundio        and I have 60k+ records to go through
16:19 gerundio        bulk item might be too hard since I have to map the item types from docbase to the new item types on koha
16:19 gerundio        create a new script to do it
16:19 gerundio        jcamins, that's my idea
16:18 jcamins         Or, if there's some way to identify the records programmatically, the best option would probably be a new script to do it.
16:18 jcamins         gerundio: you could do bulk item edits.
16:10 gerundio        is there any function which I can use in a script to update the item type for a given record?
16:09 gerundio        I was just informed that all our records were incorrectly given the same item type during import
16:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Separate tabs for my holdings and others holdings
16:07 jenkins_koha    * jcamins: Bug 7674: Increment version number
16:07 mtompset        Yes, that's the biggest shortfall of linux.
16:07 jenkins_koha    * julian.maurice: Bug 7674: Remove some debug code
16:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages
16:07 jenkins_koha    * kyle: Bug 7674 - Followup - Add missing right-hand curly bracket
16:07 jenkins_koha    * julian.maurice: Bug 7674: Add 2 sysprefs to indicate the branch we want to separate on
16:07 jenkins_koha    * julian.maurice: Bug 7674: Open shelf browser in appropriate tab
16:07 jenkins_koha    * Paul Poulain: Bug 7674: Separate items in two tabs on biblio detail page (staff+opac)
16:07 jenkins_koha    * robin: Bug 9052 - rewrite the YUI links to use the system library
16:06 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #981: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/981/
16:06 oleonard        jcamins: Linux may be powerful, but I wouldn't call the desktop environment "pleasant to use"
16:05 mtompset        Windows 7 Basic is the theme I want. :)
16:04 mtompset        jcamins: I need to use the OS of the people I have to interact with/support.
16:03 jcamins         (actually, I've never used Windows 7)
16:03 jcamins         oleonard: there's a "replace with pleasant-to-use OS" option under the personalization control panel? :)
16:02 oleonard        mtompset: Right click desktop, choose "personalize"
16:02 jcamins         :P
16:02 jcamins         You install Ubuntu, boot it, and never reboot again because suddenly your computer works well.
16:02 jcamins         Yes, that's why you don't dual boot.
16:00 mtompset        I'm not looking to dual boot. I hate dual booting. :P
15:59 jcamins         mtompset: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer
15:58 mtompset        No, I need a windows environment for working.
15:58 * mtompset      laughs.
15:57 jcamins         mtompset: yes. http://www.debian.org/distrib/
15:57 mtompset        Hmm.... anyone know how to turn off the transparency in the title bars under windows 7?
15:56 mtompset        Okay, about to test the git install instructions for Ubuntu in a nice 64-bit environment. :)
15:55 liw             mtompset, such as the one tchoen just had? the server and the client failing to communicate within some time limit, which can happen for lots of different reasons (see jcamins)
15:54 jcamins         mtompset: a route going out, the computer being unplugged, changing WAPs, the chat program being closed rather than shut down...
15:53 mtompset        What causes the ping timeout?
15:36 kf              it got renamed a little
15:36 kf              found it
15:33 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Leaving Comments in Koha 3.6 http://t.co/M8j3nMTL"
15:32 kf              teh release notes say it should be there, but can't find it
15:32 kf              weird
15:31 kf              ah AllowItemsOnHandCheckout
15:30 kf              I thought we had a pref controlling how to deal with items wich holds at the self check
15:29 * oleonard      called it as he saw it at the time
15:28 jcamins         Down for me.
15:28 jcamins         I don't know. I didn't try.
15:28 slef            oleonard closed my bug report
15:28 kf              so um, it does really not work now, right?
15:26 kf              hm it worked earlier, only the support provider listing was broken
15:26 oleonard        It wasn't broken for me when I checked a couple of hours ago
15:26 jcamins         slef reported a problem.
15:26 kf              koha-community.org broekn for others too?
15:26 kf              hm
15:16 * mtompset      smirks, "I see tcohen removed the link to the tarball install instructions."
15:06 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7674: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a0b597e3d195fd3058ce0feaa26bcef62997d0e> / Bug 7674: Remove some debug code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=249d3b6455952352c0d24aa13e1884217f5b140b> / Bug 7674 - Followup - Add missing right-hand curly bracket <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=63ec7a4fce6e49b35
15:04 mtompset        Greetings, Oak.
15:00 jenkins_koha    Starting build #981 for job Koha_master (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #978 3 days 13 hr ago)
14:57 mtompset        tcohen's 64-bit issues can then be confirmed or not when I do, since I'll have a 64-bit install that I'm testing on. :)
14:57 jcamins         Sure, why not?
14:56 mtompset        Now I should try doing a git install.
14:55 * jcamins       would leave it at oldstable.
14:55 jcamins         Ooh, good point.
14:55 mtompset        Oh... no, I think I went with oldstable, because if the Debian release changes from squeeze, I didn't want to have to edit the instructions. ;)
14:54 jcamins         If you can't be bothered to build your own packages for 3.6.x, anyway.
14:54 jcamins         And now I recommend 3.8.x.
14:54 jcamins         Probably because I recommended 3.6.x.
14:53 mtompset        Probably because no one had figured out the 3.10.x workaround at the time, or I was sticking with 3.6.x as long as possible. ;)
14:52 mtompset        I was just going over the Ubuntu koha installation instructions again and noticing they said 'oldstable'.
14:51 mtompset        (koha-community repo)
14:51 jcamins         True.
14:51 mtompset        There's no repo for 3.6.x :P
14:51 jcamins         I recommend 3.6.x.
14:51 jcamins         Actually, that's not true.
14:51 jcamins         I recommend 3.8.x.
14:49 mtompset        BTW, should we be recommending 3.8.x or 3.10.x?
14:49 mtompset        Greetings, maximep.
14:43 mtompset        Stuff that took hours install wise is just minutes. :)
14:43 mtompset        And this new machine is a virtualizing dream!
14:41 mtompset        Except for the work around. It's nice the instructions worked fabulously for me. :)
14:22 mtompset        You'll notice I did not put it in a nice box, so people should generally miss it. :)
14:22 chris_n         hehe
14:22 * jcamins       withdraws the question.
14:22 mtompset        The chi-perl, digest-jhash stuff mentioned in the mailing list.
14:22 jcamins         Actually, I really don't want to know, do I?
14:21 jcamins         mtompset: what is the workaround for?
14:21 mtompset        So true, chris_n. So true. Just added work around into Ubuntu instructions.
14:19 chris_n         syntax... one mistake and the world comes to a screeching halt
14:08 mtompset        And there's the problem... typos strike again.
14:03 mtompset        worked fine.
14:03 mtompset        I changed the server to oldstable.
14:03 mtompset        Nope... I think it may be a data problem.
13:58 mtompset        Okay, I'll assume bad internet... my ISP's DNS servers have been pretty lousy lately.
13:58 jcamins         I just used it.
13:58 jcamins         I can tell you that the apt line on the Debian page is correct.
13:57 jcamins         No idea.
13:57 mtompset        Is this bad internet/dns or really a problem?
13:56 pastebot        "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Sucky!" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/318
13:55 wahanui         i heard paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org
13:55 mtompset        paste?
13:55 mtompset        Greetings, paul_p.
13:46 paul_p          hi kf
13:45 kf              hi paul_p
13:45 paul_p          hello back
13:44 mtompset        Greetings, oleonard and kf. :)
13:26 kf              hi oleonard :)
13:24 oleonard        Hi #koha
13:16 tcohen          good luck mtompset
13:14 mtompset        Now to drivc the son to daycare. :)
13:13 mtompset        I just got Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 64-bit installed.
13:13 mtompset        I spent a couple days running all the windows updates.
13:12 mtompset        My computer isn't fully set up for that yet.
13:12 tcohen          will you test my patch?
13:12 tcohen          :-D
13:11 mtompset        I'm able to finally install a 64-bit OS in VirtualBox. :)
13:11 mtompset        Greetings, tcohen.
13:11 mtompset        You're welcome.
13:10 Ketan           Thank you.
13:10 Ketan           Will try the instructions on the webpage you gave.
13:10 mtompset        That would require a build. :)
13:10 Ketan           :-)
13:10 Ketan           We work more on CentOS
13:10 Ketan           I did not know this.
13:10 Ketan           Thanks.
13:10 Ketan           ok.
13:09 mtompset        But generally, there's no need to build Koha on debian based systems. :)
13:09 mtompset        There was a tweak or two that was talked about in the mailing list that hasn't made it into the instructions.
13:09 mtompset        It's based on the Debian instructions.
13:08 mtompset        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
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13:08 wahanui         hmmm... Ubuntu is a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions.
13:08 mtompset        Ubuntu?
13:08 Ketan           Let me check
13:07 wahanui         somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
13:07 Ketan           packages?
13:07 mtompset        Why are you building Koha under Ubuntu, when you could use packages?
13:07 Ketan           That runs ok.
13:07 Ketan           Have installed on the same OS before .
13:07 Ketan           ubuntu 12.10
13:07 mtompset        What OS are you using?
13:07 jcamins         Right.
13:06 Ketan           perl Makefile.pl, make ...etc
13:06 jcamins         However, it's always worth a try.
13:06 jcamins         If by "rebuilding Koha" you mean "reinstalling," probably not.
13:06 jcamins         Do you have Zebra enabled?
13:06 Ketan           I am not sure that is the solution though.
13:05 Ketan           Now rebuilding koha
13:05 Ketan           Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2482.
13:05 Ketan           We installed koha 3.10 just now.. while adding a record we see a perl error
13:04 Ketan           Hi
13:04 mtompset        Greetings, jcamins.
13:04 jcamins         Good morning, #koha.
13:02 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
12:47 tcohen          morrrning #koha
12:37 Oak             kf
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12:21 kf              but mailing her is a good idea
12:21 kf              I doubt that she will check it before going to work tomorrow
12:20 kf              she is asleep now :)
12:18 slef            kf: I'm hoping mail filters might send it somewhere she checks more often
12:18 slef            Bug 9297 has been added to the database
12:17 kf              slef: she is in nz now - so will be back much later today
12:17 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9297 critical, P1 - high, ---, wizzyrea, NEW , Error establishing a database connection
12:17 slef            Bug 9297 has been added to the database... bizarrely, excluding wizzyrea's email... I'll email directly
12:15 huginn          slef: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 8 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> what version are you running? perhaps the manual could be of some help for you
12:15 slef            @seen wizzyrea
12:15 slef            hmmm wizzyrea is only sysadmin of the main host? Sounds like a bug
12:06 WaqarAzeem      good idea
12:01 kf              Oak.
11:59 kf              WaqarAzeem: maybe you could run the makeinstall again and choose icu, later compare the files between your production installation and the new generated file, move the parts about icu over
11:58 Irma            Confirming error message reported by gerundio ... Also http://koha-community.org/ : Error establishing a database connection
11:58 huginn          kf: The operation succeeded.
11:58 kf              @later tell wizzyrea - could you take a look at the koha supoort provider database? it seems to be broken :( http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/
11:58 gerundio        thanks kf
11:58 WaqarAzeem      Ok! i will give it a try after making a backup VM
11:58 gerundio        I'll let him know about that
11:58 kf              I remember meeting people from xercode once, but better check the website later for a complete list
11:57 kf              i know there are different companies in spain
11:57 gerundio        and he's having a hard time setting up Koha on it's own
11:57 kf              WaqarAzeem: maybe someone else could give you info on thi s- the tutorials don't look wrong, but I think they predate the switch option in the installer
11:56 gerundio        he's working for a library in Salamanca, Spain
11:56 gerundio        some info on some hosting providers for mib_3iep5q to setup Koha
11:56 kf              Waqar: I am not quite sure about the changes to the koha conf xml file :(
11:56 kf              gerundio: not sure what you are looking for?
11:54 gerundio        you should look into it, since it was my 1st result on Google for "koha hosting"
11:54 gerundio        I tried following the Koha support companies in the community site but got an error: http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/
11:51 gerundio        guys, is there any article on setting up Koha is some commercial hosting provider?
11:51 WaqarAzeem      2 - http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/31484686/zebra%20configuration%20for%20regional%20language%20searching
11:51 WaqarAzeem      1 - http://www.scribd.com/doc/45190333/ICU-Support-in-Zebra
11:50 WaqarAzeem      Is there any instruction which can help me to enable ICU after installing Koha? I found couple of links. here they are...  not sure which one I should try.
11:48 mib_3iep5q      Quiero sable si es Posible, ponerlo en la web de Internet utilizando algun hospedaje comercial
11:38 gerundio        mib_3iep5q, cuál es tu problema con la configuración de Koha?
11:37 WaqarAzeem      yes with non-latin languages
11:37 gerundio        mib_3iep5q, soy Português, posso intentar hablar un poquito Espanol
11:37 WaqarAzeem      thank you let me try it.
11:36 kf              your problem is wth non-latin languages?
11:36 kf              if you are using koha 3.8 or 3.10 it's an option during installation
11:35 kf              you have to activate icu
11:34 WaqarAzeem      Hello! In my Koha i am facing the 'search' related problem ... searching in differnt language is not returning the results as expected.
11:29 mib_3iep5q      I can try
11:29 mib_3iep5q      puedo intentarlo
11:28 gerundio        mib_3iep5q, hablas Inglés?
11:21 mib_3iep5q      Busco ayuda para subir mi koha 3.8 a un servidor web
10:10 vfernandes      hi :)
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08:19 kf              hi #koha
07:55 paul_p          good morning everybody
07:55 Brooke          pssst, ruth, we's immune cause d cait is not here to yell at us.
07:54 Brooke          hi matts
07:52 matts           hi !
07:36 BobB            hi Brooke!
07:35 Brooke          howdy
07:34 reiveune        hello
07:04 * druthb_mobile needs sleep, but cait has not glared at her enough to force her offline yet.
07:00 Brooke          and super cheap
07:00 Brooke          on the other hand Red Chili Thai was AWESOME
07:00 druthb_mobile   Heh
06:59 Brooke          I told him if someone tried to take him, tell em that he's got a limited amount of time on the planet, and he shouldn't waste it there.
06:59 Brooke          Chama de Gaucho San Antonio = just say no.
06:59 druthb_mobile   Lol
06:58 Brooke          and it was like "olde man! Take the compliment. :P"
06:58 Brooke          the worst part was that it was a cute blonde
06:58 druthb_mobile   :P
06:58 Brooke          she was like "Hey good looking!" and he was all like "You need your eyes checked again."
06:58 Brooke          just like that
06:58 Brooke          He shot down the old folks' home receptionist
06:57 Brooke          you sound like my Da!
06:57 druthb_mobile   Someone has low standards, or needs her eyes checked.
06:56 * Brooke        looks innocent.
06:56 druthb_mobile   Harrumph!
06:56 * Brooke        wolfwhistles at druthb
06:54 Oak             kia ora #koha
06:53 Oak             \o
06:52 Brooke          0/
05:44 cait            good morning #koha
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04:01 mal_u           Ver 3.08.01.000. Well the document I'm reading doesn't say much. bummer.
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03:51 wizzyrea        what version are you running? perhaps the manual could be of some help for you
03:49 wizzyrea        so a patron can opt out if they want to
03:49 wizzyrea        that just indicates whether a patron receives that notice
03:47 mal_u           What's the reason they have the Hold Available notice if it's already automatic?
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03:46 wahanui         OK, eythian.
03:46 eythian         wahanui: the Bourne Legacy is the Korn Shell
03:45 wizzyrea        correct
03:45 mal_u           and the ones with Digest means a compilation of titles?
03:43 wizzyrea        due notices come out on the day the item is due
03:42 wizzyrea        advance notices come out before the item is due
03:42 mal_u           What's the difference between Advance and Item Due notice?
03:42 wizzyrea        later irma :)
03:42 mal_u           Hi wizzyrea....another question.
03:42 Irma            C U
03:41 Irma            ciao wizzyrea ...
03:40 wizzyrea        hee
03:39 Irma            and could become obsessive ...;-)
03:34 wizzyrea        *nod* that's always handy
03:34 Irma            their members are often located very far from the physical library so this digital audiobook collection should become very popular
03:34 * wizzyrea      sees OCD and thinks of something completely different.
03:33 Irma            and preparing documentation for one of our hosted libraries re promoting OCD
03:33 wizzyrea        that's a good one
03:32 wizzyrea        oo
03:32 Irma            Adding OneClickDigital to our Koha demo site is the current task
03:32 wizzyrea        :D
03:32 Irma            well thanks and pleased I can focus on last work tasks this week ... Family obligations have been delegated ...
03:30 wizzyrea        well I think :) how are you?
03:30 Irma            hi wizzyrea :-) How are the preparations for your first NZ XMas going?
03:25 wizzyrea        hi irma
03:25 wizzyrea        sure good luck
03:24 mal_u           O ok. I'll try it . Thanks.
03:24 wizzyrea        no, just 2
03:24 mal_u           How about the delay setting for advanced? I would like an email sent 2 days before overdue. Do I put -2?
03:23 wizzyrea        the notices can be edited by going to tools -> Notices & Slips
03:23 wizzyrea        overdue, you set that up in the tools -> overdue notice/status triggers
03:22 wizzyrea        Advanced notices, same
03:22 wizzyrea        (as long as the patron has that notice selected in their settings)
03:22 wizzyrea        ok, hold notices are automatic, you don't have to do anything for those
03:22 mal_u           I want to set email notices for hold, advanced notice, overdue and 2nd overdue.
03:21 wizzyrea        (if you have one)
03:21 wahanui         somebody said the second question was "What is the exact error message?"
03:21 wizzyrea        the second question?
03:21 wizzyrea        what are you trying to do exactly?
03:21 wizzyrea        those are separate from overdues
03:21 wizzyrea        sure you can
03:20 mal_u           which means I can't make use of all the notices? hold, overdue, etc. Then what's the point?
03:20 wizzyrea        (I'm sorry to say)
03:20 wizzyrea        For overdues? You cannot.
03:19 mal_u           How can I set more than 3 Notices?
03:19 wahanui         "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
03:19 wizzyrea        the first question?
03:19 wizzyrea        heya
03:18 mal_u           Hi. I need help.
03:16 huginn          wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 1.7°C (9:14 PM CST on December 16, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
03:16 wizzyrea        @wunder 66047
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