Time Nick Message
23:55 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install-dep-cpan
23:54 rangi thats what i do
23:54 rangi feel free to mark some obsolete
23:54 rangi yep
23:53 eythian yeah
23:53 drojf we have way too many ways of doing things in the wiki ;)
23:51 eythian feel free to update pages as appropriate :)
23:51 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages
23:50 eythian yeah, it's actually the hard way
23:50 drojf eythian: what i did came from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
23:46 rangi and just check the sources.list and add it then logout
23:46 eythian the command that does it all is in the wiki
23:46 rangi sudo pbuilder --login --save-after-login
23:46 rangi what i do is
23:46 drojf ah that makes sense
23:46 rangi so we have ahd to package them (we as in eythian)
23:46 rangi (or even wheezy)
23:46 rangi because a few packages have crept in that arent in squeeze
23:45 rangi what you need to do is add debian.koha-community.org to your sources list in your pbuilder instance
23:45 rangi you are missing a few
23:44 drojf with all the dependencies and dummies i don't understand what is missing in the end
23:43 pastebot "drojf" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "build deb package" (332 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/308
23:41 rangi just finished building one about 20 mins ago .. where is it stopping for you?
23:40 rangi hm does for me
23:40 drojf build-git-snapshot does a lot of things. unfortunately building a deb package is not one of them
23:15 rangi no worries
23:14 dcook Thanks for the tip
23:13 dcook I saw her talking a bit about it in the logs, so that's certainly an idea
23:13 dcook Excellent
23:12 dcook Ooo
23:12 rangi she has libraries that have german and hebrew records
23:12 rangi i think talking to cait would be best
23:10 dcook On a more Koha note, I don't suppose you've done much with using ICU with Zebra? I think I've got the main idea down, but it seems problematic if libraries have more records in more than one language :S
23:07 dcook It certainly feels good to be done grad school :)
23:06 rangi sweet!
23:04 dcook About the same. I've finished up my MLIS course requirements, so just waiting for my marks and letter of completion. I'll be back in Oz in about 3 weeks. Time sure flies...
23:03 rangi how about you?
23:03 rangi busy busy, but good
23:03 dcook hey rangi. How's life been treating you?
23:02 rangi hey dcook
23:02 dcook Good morning/some time of day, #koha
22:13 eythian haha
22:13 * jcamins closes up.
22:13 jcamins Yes! Second picture is a scan of an ad from the nineteenth century!
22:13 eythian oh, then you will be interested in that blog.
22:12 jcamins So I thought I would learn how to make a brewery ca. the turn of the last century.
22:12 jcamins A lot of my friends brew beer, though.
22:12 eythian oh, or you may not then.
22:12 eythian http://zythophile.wordpress.com/ <-- jcamins you may also be interested in this blog
22:12 jcamins I don't really drink it.
22:12 jcamins Heh. I don't think I'll be brewing beer
22:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8878 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , koha-shell: a command to make using koha commands easier
22:11 jcamins bug 8878
22:11 wizzyrea i approve of your future beer brewing endeavours
22:11 jcamins And Metamorphosis.
22:11 jcamins Oh!
22:10 jcamins 1 book on knitting, the Yellow Wallpaper, and a book on beer brewing.
22:10 wizzyrea something in latin
22:10 jcamins At that point I got thoroughly sick of reading a second-by-second recounting of the Battle of Waterloo, and took a break to read...
22:10 rambutan 1/2 credit then
22:10 jcamins No, I cheated and went with an English translation.
22:10 rambutan oui?
22:10 rambutan and in French, si?
22:09 jcamins And got through the first six chapters of book 2.
22:09 jcamins I finished book 1.
22:09 jcamins I started reading Les Miserables.
22:09 cait hehe true
22:09 jcamins lol
22:09 rambutan chatting w/ jcamins also requires chatting w/ google sometimes
22:09 jcamins :P
22:08 wizzyrea curse you.
22:08 wizzyrea now I want that.
22:08 wizzyrea saag paneer.
22:07 jcamins However, today is saag paneer Monday.
22:07 jcamins yesss...
22:07 rambutan what about monday and tuesday?
22:07 wahanui hmmm... pizza is in the oven.
22:07 jcamins Pizza...
22:07 wizzyrea and pizza wednesdays
22:06 rambutan and wine thursdays?
22:06 rambutan from beer fridays?
22:04 wizzyrea libsysgut?
22:00 libsysguy the libsysgut just gets to churning
22:00 libsysguy and too much coffee
22:00 libsysguy pretty much jcamins
21:59 jcamins libsysguy: is libsysgut what you get when you spend too much time sitting in front of the computer working on Koha? :P
21:54 drojf cool, thanks
21:54 jcamins drojf: yes, `git archive --format=tar --prefix=koha-drojf-3.10.01/ drojfsbranch | gzip > koha-drojf-3.10.01.tar.gz`
21:52 drojf is it possible to cherry pick for a custom tarball installation? like having a certain version like 3.8.7 in git, cherrypicking a patch or two and then roll that into the tarball? how is that packed up for installation?
21:41 rambutan good!
21:41 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:41 eythian @later tell tcohen a debconf dialogue system for configuring things on install is On My List. Patches welcome however ;)
21:41 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/8258093247/in/photostream
21:41 rangi rambutan: got your library card, thank you
21:30 rambutan Brooke was involved in a discussion in Sept about printing ID cards from within Koha. Discussion seemed to end quickly, but somehow I want to poke that sleeping dog.
21:28 huginn rambutan: brooke was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Brooke> enywho, seriously, leaving this time
21:28 rambutan @seen brooke
21:27 * jcamins works out that "Le poisson d'or" is a "goldfish," eventually.
21:11 oleonard by #koha
21:07 tcohen bye #koha
21:07 tcohen i'll talk with robin about this
21:05 jcamins See wizzyrea's response. ^^ ;)
21:04 wizzyrea I am sure robin would take patches :)
21:04 tcohen yeah, some error handling too!
21:01 jcamins Ooh, that would be nifty.
21:00 tcohen a dialog for entering that data would be handy
21:00 tcohen ok
21:00 jcamins Yes, but then you have to write the koha-common.cnf file yourself.
21:00 tcohen can i tell it I use an external db?
20:59 jcamins Yes.
20:59 jcamins lol
20:59 tcohen :-D
20:59 tcohen looks like i need mysql-server i guess
20:59 tcohen dpkg-reconfigure
20:59 jcamins Try `sudo apt-get -f install`
20:58 jcamins tcohen: sounds like koha-common might not be configured.
20:58 oleonard Smashing.
20:58 tcohen awk: cmd. line:4: fatal: cannot open file `/etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf' for reading (No such file or directory)
20:58 tcohen root@koha-dev:~# koha-create --create-db test
20:57 jcamins Is anyone looking for a name for a boy? I suggest Gerald Hugh Tyrwhitt-Wilson.
20:44 jcamins I knew one of the triggers would wait until every single image had been downloaded.
20:44 jcamins Okay, never mind, then.
20:43 oleonard document.ready waits for the DOM to load, meaning the whole structure of the page
20:43 jcamins Ah.
20:43 tcohen oh, --save-after-login, relieved i remembered u
20:43 oleonard Yeah, that's why we have to use something like window.onload for managing Amazon covers and things like that
20:43 jcamins document.ready fires before everything has finished, and load fires after?
20:42 jcamins Do I have it backwards?
20:42 oleonard I don't think that's correct
20:42 jcamins I could be mistaken.
20:42 jcamins oleonard: I think the $(document).ready() Javascript won't fire until it's finished?
20:41 oleonard It's an img src target, so I don't think doing it AJAXy would make a difference?
20:40 jcamins If it takes 5.5 seconds.
20:40 jcamins I hope we load the patron image in an AJAXy fashion?
20:39 oleonard I'm looking at how quickly assets load on circulation.pl
20:39 oleonard Of course that's on my dinky VM
20:39 cait are you testing or really doing it?
20:39 jcamins Very slow.
20:39 cait hm that sounds slow
20:38 oleonard members.patronimage.pl is really slow... 5.5 seconds to load a 65Kb jpeg :(
20:37 wahanui it has been said that possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here
20:37 cait possible
20:37 jcamins (there was no version number set)
20:37 cait hm maybe
20:37 jcamins Oh, well, you might also have updated when it was only semi-merged.
20:37 cait hm no I didn't
20:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes)
20:36 jcamins I had asked you to test bug 7919 a while ago, so maybe you did.
20:36 cait but it says the tables already exist
20:36 cait quite sure I never tested 7919
20:36 cait yeah it's weird
20:35 jcamins cait: oh?
20:34 cait got an error updating my database?
20:34 cait hm
20:34 tcohen my source tree is busy building some deb packages right now, and will be for a while (non-SSD box right now) :-P
20:32 * jcamins will probably ask eythian to patch it, since he knows how to do it properly, yes.
20:32 tcohen --- eq 'eythian'?
20:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9258 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Debian packages should not depend on CHI
20:31 * jcamins files bug 9258.
20:30 jcamins That reminds me.
20:29 jcamins tcohen: but be prepared to spend lots of time gnashing your teeth.
20:29 wahanui well, squeeze-dev is master
20:29 jcamins tcohen: squeeze-dev.
20:29 tcohen jcamins, for building packages from master for testing, do I new squeeze or squeeze-dev in my k-c sources?
20:27 jcamins Ugh.
20:27 jcamins Yes we are.
20:27 jcamins Are we sure about the API for GetMember?
20:26 tcohen yeah, those mad QA team members are going hunt
20:23 cait i love the makeup
20:23 oleonard Gearing up for QA: http://bit.ly/XKNDZh
20:18 cait or something like that
20:18 * cait gears up for qa
20:13 tcohen yeap
20:12 jcamins And with 9235 it would probably be possible to even just tell people "run backup.sh to backup your database."
20:12 tcohen ok
20:12 jcamins tcohen: I don't think so. I think it's very useful for someone who wants to set up a backup for themselves.
20:11 tcohen should that file be removed?
20:11 tcohen jcamins, understood what you meant
19:33 cait lol
19:31 wahanui Oh good, I didn't understand and probably never will, being a bot.
19:31 jcamins wahanui: never mind.
19:30 wahanui jcamins: what?
19:30 jcamins wahanui: you know, I think you may be right about that.
19:26 wahanui meeting time is, like, always going to favour one section of the globe
19:26 rangi Ok meeting time
19:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Does the logic seem correct?
19:26 rangi Can't help you with that then
19:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Would love to, but my branch doesn't have report writing permissions...
19:24 rangi Try it and see
19:22 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of this report (http://paste.koha-community.org/307) if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch?
19:18 cait hi chris_n :)
19:17 jcamins Yes.
19:15 chris_n look messed up to anyone else?
19:15 chris_n reported $counted
19:15 chris_n counted $overdue_items
19:15 chris_n Number of Overdue Items:
19:15 chris_n Fines assessment -- $today->ymd() -- Saved to $filename
19:15 chris_n writing to /tmp/koha_biblios_2012-12-10.log
19:15 chris_n :/usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs# ./fines.pl -v
19:15 * chris_n attempt to discern the output of fines.pl...
18:56 reiveune bye
18:54 pastebot "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/307
18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I'm posting now if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch?
18:44 tcohen heh rangi lol
18:36 cait lol
18:34 drojf lol
18:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Yay sjohnson is back from vacation! #kohails"
18:33 drojf sjohnson++
18:27 jcamins lol
18:27 libsysguy ^^
18:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I posted earlier if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch?
18:26 oleonard So someone's vacation should be over
18:25 cait hm shoudl be
18:25 YoungPublicLibrarian It is.
18:25 rangi Is it the 10th in the us now?
18:21 jcamins tcohen: agreed!
18:20 tcohen www::mechanize rules
18:14 vfernandes bye koha community :) see you tomorrow
18:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement?
18:08 gerundio tomorrow is another day
18:08 gerundio now I have to run
18:07 gerundio ok, jcamins, thanks again
18:06 jcamins If you're using the template script, the way it saves the record should work.
18:06 chris_n http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=status&ts=1355201999000
18:05 chris_n its about time google owned up to their problems
18:05 jcamins It will save both, provided you use the API.
18:05 YoungPublicLibrarian With that report, how would I limit the results to just a specific branches fines? It already limits the patrons to that of a specific branch.
18:04 pastebot "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/306
18:04 YoungPublicLibrarian Pasting a report to the board, if someone could take a quick look at it and give me some advice it would be great!
18:04 gerundio ok, but will it update both marc and marcxml collumns or just one of them?
18:02 jcamins gerundio: you'll need to save the record.
18:00 jcamins gerundio: it updates a single field in a single record.
18:00 gerundio do I have to do something else?
18:00 gerundio so far I have 1. GetMarcBiblio, 2. update the value on sublfield a
18:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in is hardcoded to retrieval syntax = usmarc
18:00 magnuse bug 9256, btw
17:59 jenkins_koha nengard: update cleanup_database.pl description
17:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #8: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/8/
17:59 jenkins_koha nengard: update cleanup_database.pl description
17:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #249: STILL FAILING in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/249/
17:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #8 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:59 jcamins gerundio: no.
17:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #249 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago)
17:59 gerundio for that UNIMARC field 100 subfield a fix script
17:59 gerundio jcamins, does the $field->update() function update all the references on the DB?
17:58 magnuse there
17:58 magnuse jcamins++
17:58 magnuse uh
17:58 magnuse jcamins: for lots of help and inspiration :-)
17:58 magnuse oh well, i'll do some more digging tomorrow
17:57 jcamins Alas, marcelr isn't around. I would've liked to ask if he'd heard of "Van Nelle."
17:57 jcamins Oh, maybe that's the one I tested.
17:56 magnuse hm, the only one i can remember doing recently was the firstdayoftheweek setting
17:54 jcamins magnuse: I pushed a patch from you to fix that, and it worked when I tried it.
17:53 magnuse andeven if i choose nb-NO and normarc during installation, marcflavour is set to marc21 when i'm done with the installation... don't think it used to be like that
17:47 jcamins magnuse: that's my conclusion as well.
17:45 magnuse i think that the conclusion so far is that 3087 broke the packages for marcflavour != marc21, but i might be wrong
17:43 magnuse jcamins: i did apt-get remove/install koha-common to reset the common configs, and now both instances work with marcflavour = marc21 and fails with marcflavour = normarc. that's some kind of progress, i guess :-)
17:42 gerundio thanks a lot
17:42 magnuse yeah, i think so
17:41 gerundio then for update all I have to do is $field->update(a => 'new value'), right?
17:40 magnuse http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-Record-2.0.3/lib/MARC/Field.pm#subfield%28code%29
17:39 magnuse gerundio: my $subfield = $field->subfield( 'a' );
17:38 gerundio I can't really say if the value is always in index 1
17:38 gerundio but I'm pretty sure there must be a better way
17:38 gerundio I'm even able to update it using $field->{_subfields}[1] = new value
17:37 gerundio I'm able to see the values using $field->subfields()
17:37 gerundio I'm coding a script to update unimarc subfield 100 a
17:37 magnuse has anyone tried the 3.10 packages with unimarc?
17:36 gerundio is there any function to update a subfield for a given marc field on a record?
17:33 libsysguy yup
17:33 gerundio sync is very handy indeed
17:33 gerundio libsysguy, all back to normal now
17:32 libsysguy bring back hotdogs
17:32 jcamins I think it's lunch time.
17:32 libsysguy its handy
17:32 * libsysguy does
17:32 jcamins I don't use it.
17:32 jcamins Ah, Chrome sync.
17:31 libsysguy gerundio jcamins ^^
17:31 libsysguy http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/10/3750934/gmail-is-down
17:29 jenkins_koha nengard: update lists permissions in the opac
17:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #248: STILL FAILING in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/248/
17:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #248 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago)
17:28 magnuse yup
17:28 jcamins magnuse: you should file another bug for that.
17:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
17:28 magnuse jcamins: there is another problem with bug 3087: debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in was not updated, so it is still hardcoded to <retrieval syntax="usmarc"
17:28 gerundio Google should apologize and reinstate Google Apps free edition again eheheeh
17:27 gerundio we tried to trace the browser traffic with Wireshark to see if we could figure out what was causing the crashes, but no luck so far :)
17:26 jcamins Everyone hide under a desk!
17:26 jcamins It's a remote exploit of the Pentium hang bug!!
17:26 gerundio from what I read this happened to logged in users
17:26 gerundio mine crashed 3 or 4 times in a matter of minutes
17:25 senator begin conspiracy theories
17:25 senator weird. when the gmail outage started, it spontaneously crashed chrome for me too ( 23.0.1271.95 on 64-bit linux )
17:24 nengard it's just fine now ?
17:24 nengard well it did crash for me earlier
17:24 jcamins nengard: apparently it's causing Chrome to crash for people who are seemingly not us.
17:23 nengard or it's back for me
17:23 nengard it's back
17:21 chris_n stupid gmail
17:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
17:19 nengard i've got a question about the feature in bug 7310 (I did not read the entire thing yet) - if you're not allowing patrons to create public lists can they still allow people to add things to their private lists? seems like they shouldn't be allowed to ? but just thought I should check for the manual
17:16 jenkins_koha nengard: add lists permissions
17:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #247: STILL FAILING in 1 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/247/
17:15 magnuse hm, guess i did not revert the changes in koha-conf.xml
17:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #247 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago)
17:14 jcamins And you made sure that you didn't have any changes from when I told you to edit the various config files?
17:14 magnuse sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v esme
17:13 magnuse jcamins: yup
17:13 jcamins magnuse: did you do a full reindex after changing the marcflavour?
17:12 magnuse but changing the esme one that never worked to marcflavour = marc21 does *not* solve the problem
17:12 jcamins I suggest you just submit a patch to make "normarc" be treated as "marc21".
17:10 magnuse jcamins: gah! the one that worked had marcflavour = marc21. changing that to normarc and reindexing gives the same search error as on the other instance
17:09 libsysguy chrome died for me again
17:06 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Updating Personal Information in Koha 3.6 http://t.co/0aErBpHq"
17:05 jcamins Check capitalization.
17:04 * jcamins blames marcflavour.
17:04 magnuse on both instances
17:04 magnuse so the config files are all from 3.10
17:04 jcamins Hmm...
17:04 magnuse just koha-mysql esme < esme.sql
17:04 magnuse nope
17:04 * jcamins thought you had.
17:04 jcamins Okay, so you did not use koha-restore at all?
17:04 magnuse the first one does not work, the swcond one does
17:03 magnuse then staged/imported the records from the dumped instance into the clean one
17:03 magnuse um no. i created two instances, then loaded a 3.8 database dump into it one, and ran through the web installer on the other
17:02 jcamins magnuse: so you restored an instance with no data?
17:01 magnuse jcamins: nope. and i'm not sure it can be that, since another instance created in just the same way on the same server, but with a clean database works. i suspect it must ve something in the database
16:59 jcamins Nope.
16:59 gerundio jcamins, and yours didn't crash?
16:59 jcamins gerundio: I had Gmail open in two tabs.
16:59 chris_n you know its not a going to be a good monday when the first thing you see on your linux workstation is a screen full of /dev/foo media errors where foo is your single hdd
16:58 gerundio I guess chrome crashed for users who had gmail opened in a tab or something
16:58 gerundio yeap
16:58 * oleonard is using Chrome Canary at the moment
16:58 jcamins Gmail is having a service disruption, I think.
16:57 jcamins Chrome works fine for me.
16:57 libsysguy and yes
16:57 wahanui well, google chrome is fine
16:57 libsysguy google chrome
16:57 libsysguy no
16:55 oleonard Do you mean Google Mail?
16:54 gerundio did yours crashed too just now?
16:54 oleonard Yes
16:54 gerundio off topic: anybody here using Google Chrome?
16:35 jcamins At least, it didn't use to.
16:35 vfernandes ok thanks
16:35 jcamins No.
16:34 vfernandes humm ok... I thought suspension in days started at the beginning of the debar
16:34 jcamins It's just a checkbox.
16:33 jcamins They don't.
16:33 jcamins I thought you were using fine-in-days.
16:33 jcamins I didn't think the overdue triggers allowed you to set the number of days.
16:32 vfernandes on third overdue email (16 days after overdue) the patron is debarred and suspended for 30 days
16:31 vfernandes yes... but I have a 30 days suspension
16:31 oleonard Are you talking about a debarral which is set by circulation rules?
16:30 kf bye all
16:30 vfernandes in which table?
16:30 oleonard "Plain," non-date-dependent debarrals are set to that date
16:29 vfernandes from now?
16:29 vfernandes shouldn't be set to 30 days?
16:28 oleonard That is correct
16:28 vfernandes :/
16:28 vfernandes debarred is always being set to '9999-12-31'
16:12 gerundio Portuguese librarians love suspensions :p
16:09 vfernandes let me test it
16:08 jcamins Suspensions aren't commonly used in the US, so I've only ever used the feature when testing bugs.
16:08 jcamins I do not know.
16:07 vfernandes after X days returns returns another overdue... those X days can be sum to the suspension?
16:07 jcamins Is that a problem?
16:06 vfernandes it's possible to set the following: a patron returns a overdue book with more than 15 days... the patron is debarred for 30 days
16:05 vfernandes ?
16:05 vfernandes how suspensions works in koha 3.8.X
15:48 jcamins magnuse: did changing the syntax work?
15:46 jcamins gerundio: you have to configure Koha to treat weekends as holidays.
15:39 vfernandes then you have so see your configurations if circulation and holds are using the close days or not
15:38 vfernandes yes
15:37 gerundio so all I have to do is set 2 "Holiday repeating weekly", 1 for Saturday and 1 for Sunday?
15:36 vfernandes you have to set in the library calendar that weekends are close days
15:36 gerundio I just got a complaint saying that weekends were being accounted for
15:36 vfernandes depends on the library calendar
15:35 gerundio btw, does koha consider weekends as open library days?
15:35 gerundio vfernandes, thanks for submitting the bug
15:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences
15:19 vfernandes gerundio: bug 9254 created
15:13 * druthb giggles at wahanui
15:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Call for Participation: Library Perceptions 2012 http://t.co/xh29BENW #kohails"
15:12 wahanui oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did!
15:12 gerundio hey oleonard
15:12 oleonard Hi #koha
15:11 vfernandes I will fill up a bug with this
15:11 gerundio otherwise it seems like patrons can simply turn off notices
15:11 gerundio vfernandes, my point too
15:10 H sudo koha-create --create-db bibliotheek sudo: koha-create: command not found ... annyone ?
15:05 vfernandes maybe the preference should be change to only activate the configuration in the staff client... and then should be another to activate it in the OPAC
15:03 vfernandes but it's the only way to activate the email sending
15:03 vfernandes yes they can change it on the OPAC
15:03 gerundio it looked to me that this allowed patrons to change their notices policies
15:02 gerundio the text for the description of what this field does lead me in error
15:02 vfernandes *has now
15:02 vfernandes each patron was now the same table on the details page
15:01 gerundio vfernandes, EnhancedMessagingPreferences was the answers
15:00 vfernandes Have you enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences? Then when creating or editing a category will be a table in the end with the notices preferences
14:59 vfernandes ..../cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl
14:59 gerundio Overdue notice required?!?
14:58 gerundio I looked in "Patron category administration" but I don't see any such option
14:58 vfernandes administration -> patron categories
14:58 gerundio where can I check the patron category messaging setting?
14:58 vfernandes for the existent patron I think you will need to set them manually
14:57 kf vfernandes++ yep exactly :)
14:57 kf the standards from the patron category are only applied to new patrons, for existing the messages are deactivated
14:57 gerundio kf, all users have valid email addresses since our auth is being made via LDAP
14:57 vfernandes and then set for each patron category the default message set
14:57 kf and have the boxes ticked for the messages they want to receive
14:56 kf they have to make sure the patrons they test with have email addresses
14:56 vfernandes you have to enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences
14:56 gerundio borrowed some books and didn't return them to check the fines and overdue delivery notices
14:56 kf checkout and checkin slips by email then?
14:56 kf but it's not for overdues, that's why I was asking aboutthe message you want to send :)
14:56 gerundio kf, some of our library operators have made some circulation tests
14:56 kf no, it enables the notices listed in the table in general - standards to be set at the patron category level
14:55 kf gerundio: which kind of notices are you trying to send?
14:55 gerundio but that just seems to enable patrons to set they're notices receiving options, right?
14:55 gerundio EnhancedMessagingPreferences is not enabled
14:54 vfernandes EnhancedMessagingPreferences is enable?
14:54 vfernandes every patron category as messaging enable?
14:53 gerundio exactly
14:53 gerundio as if no messages have been generated
14:53 vfernandes so the messages aren't being generated
14:53 gerundio which I find to be weird
14:53 gerundio the message_queue table is empty
14:52 vfernandes you can check in the database directly or in the patron details messages separator
14:52 vfernandes which is the result of the messages? failed?
14:51 gerundio the cronjobs are in place too
14:51 gerundio yes
14:51 vfernandes have you set the KohaEmailAdminAddress or something like that?
14:51 gerundio didn't find any relevant info there though
14:50 gerundio drojf, I did
14:50 * drojf goes out into the snow
14:49 drojf have you checked the logs?
14:49 gerundio I'm not sure what is originating this behavior, so I wanted to make sure everything is set up properly
14:48 gerundio but the notices aren't being received by patrons
14:48 gerundio I have postfix set on the server
14:48 gerundio is there any guide on how to setup email on koha?
14:47 gerundio email setup?
14:47 gerundio email?
14:47 wahanui somebody said mail was not understandable
14:47 gerundio mail?
14:39 mib_6eiq2g thank you, i have asked for the instructions for the installation and one gives me this
14:38 drojf too
14:38 drojf that should be easier to install to
14:38 drojf please see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
14:38 drojf then you have the wrong guide
14:38 mib_6eiq2g for a regular one
14:37 drojf mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha?
14:37 mib_6eiq2g the last three commands that i have execute are this $ export __KOHA_USER__=$USER $ export __KOHA_GROUP__=$USER $ echo $USER and when i try to execute $ perl Makefile.PL i give me an error
14:37 vfernandes printslip.pl uses the template, moremember.pl not.... shouldn't both of them use the templateS?
14:37 drojf mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha?
14:37 drojf heh. ignore wahanui
14:37 wahanui the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
14:37 drojf what is the problem?
14:37 drojf mib_6eiq2g: it would help to ask a specific question. "don't know what to do" is pretty vague
14:37 drojf i don't see how we are more interesting than the french list or the spanish one
14:37 mib_6eiq2g hi i'm trying to install koha using the instructions from this page, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git#Ubuntu_Packages_from_List , i have create the database and the user but now i don't know what to do
14:37 drojf but a reference to that page
14:37 drojf the other language specific lists are also not there
14:37 kf drojf: yeah, listed, but on a page that is quite hidden - maybe a little bit of advertising would be good? :)
14:37 drojf more snow…
14:37 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 0.6°C (3:13 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
14:37 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
14:37 vfernandes if I'm at patron details on details tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to moremember.pl
14:30 vfernandes if I'm at patron details on check out tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to printslip.pl
14:29 vfernandes something is wrong....
14:22 vfernandes is this normal?
14:22 vfernandes one thing: the slips are configurable on notices interface but they aren't used on the moremember-receipt.tt
14:12 jcamins Good luck!
14:12 jcamins Okay, I need to pack up and go.
14:12 jcamins You'll just want to check that it should be set to "normarc" and not something else.
14:11 magnuse with normarc, of course
14:11 magnuse so i should run those sed commands?
14:10 magnuse hehe
14:09 jcamins Though obviously you don't want to set it to UNIMARC.
14:09 * magnuse reads
14:09 huginn 04Bug 3087: enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
14:09 jcamins http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087#c29
14:08 jcamins Yes, but they also come along with the configuration.
14:08 magnuse but the records i'm indexing here came along with the database dump?
14:08 jcamins Paul has instructions for fixing the problem.
14:08 jcamins Oh, look at that.
14:07 jcamins The problem is somewhere before the records get into Koha.
14:07 magnuse hm, not sure i see the relevance?
14:03 jcamins Fridolyn's suggestion is a good one.
14:03 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:03 jcamins Interesting!
14:02 drojf kf: it's listed on the lists site automatically i think
13:55 magnuse :-(
13:54 jcamins I don't see any problem.
13:53 jcamins Hm.
13:50 magnuse jcamins: there you go: http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/esme-vvv.txt
13:48 magnuse just need to scp that file around a bit...
13:48 jcamins Yes.
13:47 magnuse and "2&> ~/esme-vvv.txt" to redirect all of the output to a file, right?
13:46 jcamins Looks like it does, so yes.
13:45 jcamins If it passes the -v through, then yes.
13:45 magnuse jcamins: would this work? $ sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v -v -v esme
13:45 kf oh ok
13:43 jcamins catalog.bywatersolutions.com.
13:43 jcamins kf: nope.
13:43 kf normarc specific problem?:(
13:42 jcamins -b
13:42 jcamins Would you try running rebuild_zebra.pl -v -v -v -r -x
13:41 magnuse yeah
13:41 jcamins Yup. And it knows you have 150 records.
13:41 magnuse it's giving the right number of results, compared to the old installation
13:40 magnuse looks to me like it is finding the records, but can't display them
13:40 jcamins Which is of course a very different thing.
13:40 jcamins Or, rather, to have been recorded in the indexes.
13:39 jcamins Okay, *none* of your records appear to have been indexed.
13:38 magnuse [off] http://esme.testing.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=lessig
13:38 magnuse heh, that gives a weird result list
13:38 jcamins I want to know if it's giving good results.
13:38 magnuse jcamins: ok
13:37 jcamins magnuse: okay, add the same if statement on line 476.
13:35 kf drojf: also, maybe we shoudl send an email to the normal Koha list as well - some people might have missed that there is a list at all
13:35 tcohen thanks, for that push btw jcamins
13:35 kf drojf: did you ask wizzy to put the new lmailing list on the website yet?
13:35 magnuse jcamins: that gives me Can't call method "render" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 476.
13:35 tcohen hi jcamins
13:34 magnuse jcamins: done
13:33 H thx for the info
13:33 H ok
13:33 jcamins H: you do not need libchi-perl. It's optional.
13:32 jcamins Add an "if $results[ $i - 1 ]->record($j);" at the end.
13:32 H http://mibpaste.com/8ZiohX
13:32 jcamins Go to line 461 of C4::Search.
13:32 jcamins Good.
13:32 magnuse yup
13:31 jcamins Do you have this loaded onto a development server where you can follow my destructive instructions?
13:31 jcamins Hm.
13:30 magnuse jcamins: no change after stop/start/reindex
13:28 Brooke enywho, seriously, leaving this time
13:27 drojf what did i miss? zebra apocalypse?
13:27 magnuse hm, no
13:27 * Brooke hands jcamins a spanner
13:27 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
13:27 jcamins Morning.
13:27 Brooke proving once again that *everything* is related to the search rewrite.
13:26 Brooke and those silly humans think that it's going to be a zombie apocalypse Waha...
13:26 kf btw good morning jcamins :)
13:26 druthb EX-TER-MIN-ATE.
13:26 jcamins magnuse: did you restart Zebra?
13:25 magnuse gaaah, the bots are coming!
13:25 Brooke magnuse druthb isn't a bot, I am. DUN DUN DUNNNNNN
13:25 magnuse hehe, yeah
13:25 jcamins Bet you're wishing I'd gotten further in the search rewrite, huh? ;)
13:24 magnuse jcamins: yup. i can't get my head around it
13:23 jcamins magnuse: that is one weird error.
13:23 kf oh yum!
13:23 druthb kf QAMsnack oatmeal bar
13:23 magnuse hm, does that mean druthb is in fact a bot?
13:23 druthb nom nom nom
13:23 kf druthb tmscnack cookie
13:22 jcamins Could you paste the line you added to sources.list to paste.koha-community.org?
13:22 jcamins H: did you run `apt-get update`?
13:22 H ah i updated before oeps
13:22 drojf s/du/do
13:22 drojf did you du apt-get update after adding the line to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
13:21 H did do the key
13:21 H i follow the wikki yes
13:21 drojf you use the debian packages with ubuntu
13:20 H i use the ubuntu version
13:20 jcamins ^^ that page tells you what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list.
13:20 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
13:20 jcamins packages?
13:20 jcamins H: sounds like you don't have your apt repositories configured.
13:19 H annyone knows this problem ...Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package koha-common
13:18 Brooke pfft the West Coast is communist. In especial in eNZed.
13:18 drojf ah. right. weird people not living in my timezone, forgot about that
13:17 jcamins drojf: it's 8:16am EST, and I think he's somewhere on the west coast.
13:17 drojf i was promised a "back in office" email party but all i got was this louse "out of office" email again
13:16 druthb ssssh...kf, you gotta quit talking about jcamins; he's here now.
13:14 kf it gave us a lot more context instead of single words
13:14 kf I like having them better than not having them
13:13 magnuse yeah those %s's are pesky
13:13 drojf lol
13:13 * Brooke still has nightmares about encroaching %s
13:13 drojf kf: maybe. i would have expected the previous translation managers to have known and talked about. but maybe that was never asked about
13:12 kf and we are just not doing it
13:12 Brooke I <3 context
13:12 kf drojf: maybe it would be possible to do that with pootle too
13:12 Brooke sechsy
13:12 drojf Translation context part allows you to see related information about current string. Nearby messages, Similar messages, All locations, Dictionary, Recent edits, Project
13:12 druthb I like the easy-to-spot links to the source file on Weblate. That's pretty slick.
13:11 Brooke all the cool kids are doin' it
13:10 drojf come on kf, a few thousand strings :P
13:08 kf as long as it does not require any retranslating
13:08 kf i am all for improving things
13:07 Brooke kia orrraaa
13:07 magnuse s/ki/kia/
13:06 magnuse ki ora Brooke
13:06 drojf i have seen options for context of singular and plural forms. what i would like is context like depending on module and things :)
13:05 kf just let me knwo if I can help with something
13:05 druthb I did, kf.
13:05 kf ah, you probably did
13:05 druthb Since I'm not a translator, I'm unqualified to have an opinion on the "best tool." But I wanna put this in *your* hands, and you tell me what you wanna use, and I'll see to it.
13:05 kf druthb: did you see the request for new greek files on the mailing list?
13:04 Brooke howdy
13:04 drojf hi Brooke
13:04 drojf druthb: that would be cool
13:04 druthb Hey, Brooke!
13:04 druthb kf: still working on that.
13:04 druthb drojf, kf, magnuse: Once I get our pootle woes cleared up, I could spin up a test of this for a few folks to try out.
13:04 Brooke o/
13:04 kf druthb: has the pootle server moved to his new home yet or is that in the works?
13:03 * kf nods
13:03 druthb I can find that out. My other curiosity will be how well it handles RTL languages. Pootle *does*, but it's kind of ugly-looking and can be confusing to translators.
13:02 kf i guess the big question for every tool is if it can handle our big files
13:01 druthb drojf: I just played with the demo a minute, and I kind of like it! :)
12:57 drojf anyone ever looked at http://weblate.org/en/ for translation?
12:55 kf hm right
12:55 druthb Now, that would be silly, kf.
12:54 kf druthb: as long as you are not doing this on your hardwood floors inside the house ...
12:53 magnuse sounds good to me
12:53 * druthb makes a little pyramid of logs, with a loose pile of little bits in the middle, and a wadded-up ball of newspaper. One match, no accelerant. She'd have made a heckuva Girl Scout.
12:51 kf magnuse: youare really encouraging her to make a fire?
12:51 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (1:50 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
12:51 kf @wunder Konstanz
12:51 * magnuse sends druthb a stack of firewood
12:51 * druthb shivers, and gives magnuse the ebil eye.
12:50 magnuse oh noes!
12:50 druthb Wait. It's colder in Lawrence, Kansas than it is in the *ARCTIC*? kf, you're off the hook. I'm blaming magnuse for this one.
12:49 magnuse hiya tcohen
12:49 marcelr afternoon tcohen
12:46 tcohen morning #koha
12:45 magnuse somwhere in between, perhaps?
12:44 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 28.0°C (9:00 AM ART on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
12:44 tcohen @wunder Cordoba, Argentina
12:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (1:20 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
12:41 magnuse @wunder boo
12:36 * druthb blames kf.
12:35 druthb now, who thought *that* up?
12:35 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.4°C (6:34 AM CST on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
12:35 druthb @wunder 66046
12:27 drojf it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5
12:23 kf maybe close browser and try again?
12:23 kf hm
12:23 kf you are logged int oo right?
12:23 drojf i could change to assigned. but i cannot change to needs sign off
12:22 kf javasript problem?
12:22 kf hm
12:22 drojf that is where i expected it but it doesn't
12:22 wahanui last one is the first one if you look backwards.
12:22 kf last one
12:22 vfernandes near sponsored
12:22 kf right column on top
12:22 drojf where?
12:21 kf when i switch to need ssignoff, the patch complexity shows up for me
12:21 kf and what are you trying to do?
12:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9248 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a German Zebra language definition file
12:20 drojf bug 9248
12:19 drojf yes
12:18 kf new bug?
12:18 drojf no it doesn't because i cannot switch because i canno set complexity
12:18 kf or circ
12:18 kf vfernandes: maybe notices if there is one
12:18 kf hm it shoudl show up when you switch to needs sign-off
12:17 drojf (in bugzilla)
12:17 drojf so what do i do if there is no complexity field that i have to set?
12:17 vfernandes which should be the correct component of the bug? Circulation or patron?
12:16 vfernandes I think so... I will create a bug for the implementation of renewal and checkin quick slips
12:14 vfernandes "Checkout quick slip" is a good option?
12:13 kf yeah
12:12 vfernandes Print checkout quick slip... maybe is too long :/
12:12 vfernandes "Print summary, Print slip, Checkout quick slip, Checkin quick slip, Renewal quick slip"
12:09 kf vfernandes: I wondered if it would be confusing for people not seeing the button :)
12:09 kf drojf: bug wrangling :)
12:09 vfernandes "Print" can be maintain there is not a real problem... but I think the omission can be done because the button is already as "Print"
12:07 drojf kf: huh?
12:07 kf maybe ask some more people?
12:06 kf I think removing print should be ok, if the button stays labelled... but not sure about accessibility hm
12:06 vfernandes do you think that I should add this options? and about changing the "strings" removing "print" from the links?
12:05 kf drojf++
12:04 kf I always like the idea of more optiosn, but it can get overwhelmling eaisly
12:03 vfernandes the idea was to set 5 options: summary, slip, checkout quick slip, return quick slip and renewal quick slip (I think we can take "Print .." from the link)
12:01 vfernandes I was saying that in the print option there is 3 option: print summary, print slip, print quick slip
12:01 kf np
12:01 vfernandes sorry kf... the system power went down
11:53 vfernandes now there is 3 options in print button: Print summary, Print slip, Print quick slip
11:51 kf not sure how to do that in a user friendly way
11:49 vfernandes issues, renewal, returns (with or without fines on the configuration) and fines
11:48 kf issues, returns and fines - from patron account
11:47 kf we could also have a "today's actions" slip
11:47 kf I think I woudl not mind having 2 separate slips
11:47 vfernandes yes not necessarily
11:47 kf lots of people don't pay the fines when giving back and you always have to change into the patron account
11:47 kf not necessarily
11:47 kf hm
11:46 vfernandes is a 2 in one slip: return and payment slip
11:46 vfernandes because normally the return slips envolves the payment of the fine if the book is overdue
11:45 kf and there are slips (hardcoded but stil) I think for payments
11:45 kf why the fines?
11:44 vfernandes I never managed to do that in the right way
11:44 vfernandes the problem with returns is the fines
11:44 vfernandes In one of my installations I've done a modification in order to haver quickslips for renewal and returns
11:42 kf for renewal I could always print a complete account slip, but it might still be useful there too
11:42 kf because there is no way currently to do that and it's something common here
11:42 kf I think I woudl like checkin slips
11:42 vfernandes what you think about having renewal and checkin quick slips?
11:41 kf i am not sure, maybe test it, but I think yes
11:41 vfernandes quickslips only show the patron today checkouts?
11:40 kf yes
11:40 vfernandes slips on 3.8.X and 3.10.X are configurable right?
10:55 kf you will work it out :)
10:55 kf :)
10:55 gerundio if I didn't think he'd be fine just with the LDAP username :)
10:55 gerundio that would be a better solution no doubt about it
10:54 gerundio don't know if the patch works, I have a task to test it in my TODO list :)
10:53 gerundio but there's a bug already reported about LDAP mapping
10:53 gerundio I'm already using extended patron attributes
10:52 gerundio my colleague was here and I was telling him what you told me
10:52 gerundio kf, sorry for the hold up
10:40 kf and you can match on unique patron attributes during patron import
10:40 kf and visible or not in opac
10:40 kf you can define a patron attribute to be unique
10:40 kf I think there is a patch around to make them work with ldap, so that might be a problem right now, but is the better way to do it I think
10:40 kf gerundio: have you looked into extended patron attributes?
10:39 gerundio he should use the LDAP username
10:39 kf do you need it for patron import?
10:39 kf that's nto a good way to do it
10:39 gerundio I always said it was a bad idea
10:39 kf hm
10:39 gerundio so we could do his integration
10:39 gerundio my colleague wanted to insert an id from another platform into the streetnumber field on koha
10:39 kf and changing frameworks is changing templats... it's monday :)
10:38 gerundio kf, thanks for saying what I wanted to ear :D
10:38 kf if you really wanted to hide something effectively changing the frameworks might be the only way to do it - but it's not recommendable because of the update pain
10:37 kf they will see empty fields if js is deactivated
10:37 kf Ithink if it#s just the user shouldn't see what you don't store about them anyway, js hsould be fine
10:37 kf it will explode each and every time you update
10:37 kf no
10:34 gerundio is that a good way to go?
10:34 gerundio a colleague of mine did it on a devel setup by changing the template files
10:34 gerundio btw, you said the only way to accomplish that is by using JS
10:33 kf you coudl file a feature request
10:32 kf and it was done for that, but should probably be extended
10:32 kf I think it's started more as a way to shorten the entry form
10:32 gerundio and what we have now in the exact opposite, right?
10:32 kf but the view on this might differ
10:32 kf but it might be wrong, because patrons should be able to see what you store about them
10:32 gerundio exactly
10:32 kf ah yes, show more in intranet than opac
10:31 gerundio you said "because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only"
10:30 kf sorry, gerundio, not sure I understand
10:30 gerundio internaly only make much more sense to me
10:30 gerundio what we have now is the exact opposite
10:30 gerundio I read internally only as in intranet only, correct?
10:23 kf because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only (even if that is probably not a good idea)
10:23 kf I think we might want to have 2 different prefs long term
10:22 gerundio btw, any reason for that to limit the fields shown in the intranet but not on OPAC?
10:22 magnuse kf++
10:19 gerundio ok kf, thanks a lot for the quick reply :)
10:19 kf extend
10:19 kf gerundio: the syspref doesn't extent to the opac yet
10:19 kf gerundio: only using jquery
10:19 gerundio how can I hide them there too?
10:19 gerundio but keep showing up in the OPAC personal details screen
10:18 gerundio and the collumns values I've inserted there don't show up in the intranet patron entry screen
10:18 gerundio I've filled the value for the "BorrowerUnwantedField" field in the System preferences
10:17 gerundio hi, good morning
10:10 drojf we should introduce the position of 'noob wranglers' for these questions :D
10:05 drojf :)
10:04 rangi lets see if that works
10:03 rangi good idea lemme try
10:02 drojf hi vfernandes
10:02 drojf there must be so many librarians on that list. maybe they are less shy if we don't answer these questions. or answer with "any librarian here to explain" or something
10:01 drojf ;)
10:01 drojf if you have a long thread with koha dinosaurs like yourself answering they might be, yes
10:01 vfernandes hi :)
10:00 rangi maybe scared of being wrong too?
10:00 rangi could be
09:59 drojf that's right. maybe we are too fast
09:59 rangi some do of course, but they vastly outnumber us on the mailing list .. but not in answering mails :)
09:58 rangi it would be nice to see librarians answering the library policy/usage type questions
09:58 kf can I go for tech support please?
09:57 rangi drojf: that is a good idea
09:57 kf yeah
09:57 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.8°C (10:43 AM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
09:57 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:56 drojf with tech people doing free tech support for koha, maybe librarians could have a community initiative to teach basic ILS things ;) some people seem confused that we do not walk them through the complete system but i am not starting to do that in my spare time
09:55 drojf hi kf
09:53 kf hi drojf
09:51 drojf hi #koha
09:51 drojf i was wondering if language barrier or troll, but i vote troll now :P
09:45 * kf sends rangi cookies
09:45 kf oh no
09:39 * rangi gives up
09:39 rangi *sigh*
08:31 magnuse hiya kf
08:22 * kf waves
08:21 magnuse rangi: sounds like it
08:02 rangi i think he/she thinks a hold is a check out
08:01 * rangi tries again
08:00 magnuse yup
07:58 rangi sander doesn't understand holds
07:57 rangi as i suspected
07:57 gaetan_B hello
07:56 reiveune hello
07:51 asaurat hi
07:48 alex_a hello marcelr
07:48 marcelr hello julian_m alex_a
07:47 julian_m hello magnuse, hello all
07:46 magnuse bonjour france
07:45 alex_a bonjour
07:44 marcelr hi magnuse
07:44 magnuse kia ora marcelr
07:44 marcelr hi #koha
07:44 magnuse yup this works fine: koha-create + manually doing the web-installer + staging/importing a batch of files + rebuild zebra
07:36 * rangi tries to clear up sanders confusion, hopefully not creating more
07:35 magnuse that's related to the borrower_files table, shouldn't think that would affect searching...
07:34 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "lines around 5443" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/305
07:32 magnuse DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha_esme.#sql-792_2260' (errno: 121) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 5443.
07:32 magnuse there is something weird there:
07:32 magnuse the output from upgrade schema: http://paste.koha-community.org/304
07:29 eythian_ the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the upgrade process not working correctly, but if that were the case it'd affect everyone.
07:28 magnuse earlier, i tried to do koha-create and then add some records, and that seemed to work fine
07:28 eythian_ that's fine, that's what I usually do.
07:27 magnuse i did koha-create before i loaded the sql dump
07:27 wahanui eythian_: i'm not following you...
07:27 eythian_ wahanui agrees.
07:26 wahanui I haven't seen 'it', cait
07:26 cait seen it ... autoscroll broken once again
07:26 cait me neither :(
07:25 cait hm
07:24 eythian_ that's suspicious
07:24 eythian_ hmm yes
07:24 magnuse it's also weird that the title of the search results page says "you did not specify any search criteria"
07:23 eythian_ I haven't done a whole lot with the 3.10 packages though
07:23 magnuse gah :-)
07:23 eythian_ I can't say I have seen that.
07:23 magnuse the rebuild zebra runs without any trouble
07:22 magnuse ever seen something like that?
07:22 magnuse e.g.: http://esme.testing.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=lessig
07:22 magnuse but when i try to search i get this: Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 461.
07:21 magnuse upload the sql backup from the live server and load it, upgrade schema and rebuild zebra -f
07:21 magnuse set up a new server to test 3.10 with real data
07:21 magnuse i have a problem with the packages
07:21 magnuse yay
07:20 eythian_ yep
07:19 magnuse eythian or eythian_ around?
07:17 cait have fun in Athens
07:17 cait paul_p: good
07:16 paul_p cait this afternoon, I plan to do some QA.
07:16 paul_p hi magnus & cait & BobB_ & others. leaving IRC to take Athens subway now. See you later
07:14 magnuse cait: it is!
07:13 cait it's a lot better, isn't it?
07:13 magnuse woohoo for the changes that were made to the wiki!
07:13 magnuse kia ora cait and eythian and paul_p
07:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "in Athens, greece this week, to work with our partner on our #kohails offer and have meetings with greek libraries."
07:08 * cait waves back
07:08 * magnuse waves
06:15 BobB_ bonjour paul_p
05:10 libsysguy so I have to say, using DBIx::Class is making life for db ops easy peasy
03:55 eythian you should chop off your pony tail in that case
03:51 wizzyrea oh that happens to me ALL THE TIME
03:50 wahanui wizzyrea: My pony-tail hit the on/off switch on the power strip.
03:50 wizzyrea excuse
03:39 wahanui libsysguy: Groundskeepers stole the root password
03:39 libsysguy excuse
03:39 wahanui libsysguy: i'm not following you...
03:39 libsysguy wahanui will make up excuses for you!!
02:52 wahanui eythian: static buildup
02:52 eythian excuse
01:41 libsysguy ^^ 0_0
01:41 eythian * jcamins is now known as jcamins_bowtie
01:41 libsysguy hey the next IRC meeting is on my birthday
01:08 * jcamins refuses to take off his bowtie.
01:07 jcamins Success!
01:04 jcamins Once.
01:04 jcamins Well, it may have asphixiated, but at least I managed to tie the bowtie.
01:01 eythian I guess you've got to use them for something
01:01 jcamins :)
01:00 wizzyrea lol. lol. adorable.
00:59 * jcamins proceeds to garotte a spindle full of CD-Rs.
00:59 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PN-MjUC4f9k
00:51 jcamins Grr.
00:49 druthb myshkin_in_a_tie++
00:46 jcamins lol
00:46 drojf jcamins: you could tie it around myshkin for a test
00:42 jcamins drojf: indeed I am not.
00:42 wahanui OK, eythian.
00:42 eythian wahanui: birds are gross: http://www.birdandmoon.com/birdsaregross.html
00:42 wahanui eythian: huh?
00:42 eythian wahanui: birds
00:41 eythian seems like a common issue
00:41 drojf you are not alone :D
00:41 drojf How To Tie a Bow Tie • 1.727.313 views
00:40 jcamins Right... maybe I'll tie the bowtie around something else to start with.
00:40 eythian later cait
00:40 drojf good night cait
00:40 eythian I spent 3 years at high school tying a regular tie every day. Last time I had to do it, a couple of years ago, I had to look it up.
00:40 jcamins Good night.
00:40 jcamins lol
00:39 cait night all
00:39 cait ok, things are getting weird here... I am leaving :)
00:39 drojf maybe even a google group :P
00:39 cait jcamins: how did you get from reading to bowties?
00:39 drojf i bet there are video tutorials on youtube
00:38 eythian you put the elastic band around your neck, and it just stays there.
00:38 * jcamins consults Google.
00:38 jcamins Clearly not the way the package says.
00:38 jcamins Okay... how do I tie a bowtie?
00:33 cait lol
00:33 drojf :D
00:33 eythian ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
00:33 eythian ^^
00:33 drojf lotẞ of carrotẞ
00:33 cait who doesn't like carrots?:)
00:32 cait of course you do :)
00:32 drojf i like carrot
00:32 eythian yeah, that's the properist name.
00:31 jcamins That's what I've always heard.
00:31 jcamins Caret.
00:31 cait according to my perl books
00:31 cait caret
00:31 drojf lol
00:31 eythian you will also see "carrot" sometimes.
00:30 * jcamins has never heard it before.
00:30 * drojf giggles
00:30 eythian it's not uncommon
00:30 drojf is that a common expression?
00:30 drojf hat character?
00:30 drojf "The hat ^ character denotes beginning-of-field"
00:29 drojf lol
00:29 jcamins lol
00:29 eythian jcamins: it's what Germans use when yelling to each other. By which I mean, talking normally, like cait's outside neighbour at BSZ.
00:29 drojf there isn't really. i think it came up quite recently. it doesn't exist apart from all-caps. you cannot have a word start with ẞ
00:27 jcamins I had no idea there was an uppercase ß!
00:19 jcamins Excellent!
00:19 jcamins Oh, guess I had it backwards.
00:17 drojf seems to be for sorting
00:17 drojf equivalent value-set This directive introduces equivalence classes of characters and/or strings for sorting purposes only. It resembles the map directive, but does not affect search and retrieval indexing, but only sorting order under present requests.
00:16 drojf will add it anyway
00:16 drojf ok i killed that because ß does not really exist in uppercase
00:16 drojf This directive introduces the upper-case equivalences to the value set (if any). The number and order of the entries in the list should be the same as in the lowercase directive.
00:15 jcamins The problem is that I don't think that applies to sorting, just searching.
00:13 jcamins No, I think the line is right.
00:13 drojf maybe it should be (ss)ß
00:13 drojf there is a line 'equivalent ß(ss)' now but i have to admit that i am not sure what zebra does with it
00:12 wahanui searching is not working
00:12 jcamins And searching.
00:11 drojf the correct way would be to magically dissolve it to 'ss' for sorting
00:11 jcamins The German language needs more words with the spelling "-sß-"
00:10 drojf yes
00:10 drojf ys
00:10 jcamins Otherwise, "straste" would come before "straße."
00:09 drojf ah now i understand what you mean
00:09 jcamins drojf: only if the words were spelled "strasße" and "straste."
00:08 drojf wouldn't it come before st when it comes after s?
00:07 drojf :D
00:07 jcamins [off] I was on my phone so I thought it might be something of importance from paul_p. I was wrong.
00:07 drojf [off] lol. did not read it, should have it seems
00:06 jcamins [off] I love Troll Paul's "I suspect everything changed between 3.6 and 3.8."
00:05 jcamins_away It's kind of a problem since ß should come before st in my alphabetical world.
00:05 drojf after s
00:04 jcamins_away How did you alphabetize ß?