Time Nick Message 00:04 jcamins_away How did you alphabetize ß? 00:05 drojf after s 00:05 jcamins_away It's kind of a problem since ß should come before st in my alphabetical world. 00:06 jcamins [off] I love Troll Paul's "I suspect everything changed between 3.6 and 3.8." 00:07 drojf [off] lol. did not read it, should have it seems 00:07 jcamins [off] I was on my phone so I thought it might be something of importance from paul_p. I was wrong. 00:07 drojf :D 00:08 drojf wouldn't it come before st when it comes after s? 00:09 jcamins drojf: only if the words were spelled "strasße" and "straste." 00:09 drojf ah now i understand what you mean 00:10 jcamins Otherwise, "straste" would come before "straße." 00:10 drojf ys 00:10 drojf yes 00:11 jcamins The German language needs more words with the spelling "-sß-" 00:11 drojf the correct way would be to magically dissolve it to 'ss' for sorting 00:12 jcamins And searching. 00:12 wahanui searching is not working 00:13 drojf there is a line 'equivalent ß(ss)' now but i have to admit that i am not sure what zebra does with it 00:13 drojf maybe it should be (ss)ß 00:13 jcamins No, I think the line is right. 00:15 jcamins The problem is that I don't think that applies to sorting, just searching. 00:16 drojf This directive introduces the upper-case equivalences to the value set (if any). The number and order of the entries in the list should be the same as in the lowercase directive. 00:16 drojf ok i killed that because ß does not really exist in uppercase 00:16 drojf will add it anyway 00:17 drojf equivalent value-set This directive introduces equivalence classes of characters and/or strings for sorting purposes only. It resembles the map directive, but does not affect search and retrieval indexing, but only sorting order under present requests. 00:17 drojf seems to be for sorting 00:19 jcamins Oh, guess I had it backwards. 00:19 jcamins Excellent! 00:27 jcamins I had no idea there was an uppercase ß! 00:29 drojf there isn't really. i think it came up quite recently. it doesn't exist apart from all-caps. you cannot have a word start with ẞ 00:29 eythian jcamins: it's what Germans use when yelling to each other. By which I mean, talking normally, like cait's outside neighbour at BSZ. 00:29 jcamins lol 00:29 drojf lol 00:30 drojf "The hat ^ character denotes beginning-of-field" 00:30 drojf hat character? 00:30 drojf is that a common expression? 00:30 eythian it's not uncommon 00:30 * drojf giggles 00:30 * jcamins has never heard it before. 00:31 eythian you will also see "carrot" sometimes. 00:31 drojf lol 00:31 cait caret 00:31 cait according to my perl books 00:31 jcamins Caret. 00:31 jcamins That's what I've always heard. 00:32 eythian yeah, that's the properist name. 00:32 drojf i like carrot 00:32 cait of course you do :) 00:33 cait who doesn't like carrots?:) 00:33 drojf lotẞ of carrotẞ 00:33 eythian ^^ 00:33 eythian ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 00:33 drojf :D 00:33 cait lol 00:38 jcamins Okay... how do I tie a bowtie? 00:38 jcamins Clearly not the way the package says. 00:38 * jcamins consults Google. 00:38 eythian you put the elastic band around your neck, and it just stays there. 00:39 drojf i bet there are video tutorials on youtube 00:39 cait jcamins: how did you get from reading to bowties? 00:39 drojf maybe even a google group :P 00:39 cait ok, things are getting weird here... I am leaving :) 00:39 cait night all 00:40 jcamins lol 00:40 jcamins Good night. 00:40 eythian I spent 3 years at high school tying a regular tie every day. Last time I had to do it, a couple of years ago, I had to look it up. 00:40 drojf good night cait 00:40 eythian later cait 00:40 jcamins Right... maybe I'll tie the bowtie around something else to start with. 00:41 drojf How To Tie a Bow Tie • 1.727.313 views 00:41 drojf you are not alone :D 00:41 eythian seems like a common issue 00:42 eythian wahanui: birds 00:42 wahanui eythian: huh? 00:42 eythian wahanui: birds are gross: http://www.birdandmoon.com/birdsaregross.html 00:42 wahanui OK, eythian. 00:42 jcamins drojf: indeed I am not. 00:46 drojf jcamins: you could tie it around myshkin for a test 00:46 jcamins lol 00:49 druthb myshkin_in_a_tie++ 00:51 jcamins Grr. 00:59 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PN-MjUC4f9k 00:59 * jcamins proceeds to garotte a spindle full of CD-Rs. 01:00 wizzyrea lol. lol. adorable. 01:01 jcamins :) 01:01 eythian I guess you've got to use them for something 01:04 jcamins Well, it may have asphixiated, but at least I managed to tie the bowtie. 01:04 jcamins Once. 01:07 jcamins Success! 01:08 * jcamins refuses to take off his bowtie. 01:41 libsysguy hey the next IRC meeting is on my birthday 01:41 eythian * jcamins is now known as jcamins_bowtie 01:41 libsysguy ^^ 0_0 02:52 eythian excuse 02:52 wahanui eythian: static buildup 03:39 libsysguy wahanui will make up excuses for you!! 03:39 wahanui libsysguy: i'm not following you... 03:39 libsysguy excuse 03:39 wahanui libsysguy: Groundskeepers stole the root password 03:50 wizzyrea excuse 03:50 wahanui wizzyrea: My pony-tail hit the on/off switch on the power strip. 03:51 wizzyrea oh that happens to me ALL THE TIME 03:55 eythian you should chop off your pony tail in that case 05:10 libsysguy so I have to say, using DBIx::Class is making life for db ops easy peasy 06:15 BobB_ bonjour paul_p 07:08 * magnuse waves 07:08 * cait waves back 07:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "in Athens, greece this week, to work with our partner on our #kohails offer and have meetings with greek libraries." 07:13 magnuse kia ora cait and eythian and paul_p 07:13 magnuse woohoo for the changes that were made to the wiki! 07:13 cait it's a lot better, isn't it? 07:14 magnuse cait: it is! 07:16 paul_p hi magnus & cait & BobB_ & others. leaving IRC to take Athens subway now. See you later 07:16 paul_p cait this afternoon, I plan to do some QA. 07:17 cait paul_p: good 07:17 cait have fun in Athens 07:19 magnuse eythian or eythian_ around? 07:20 eythian_ yep 07:21 magnuse yay 07:21 magnuse i have a problem with the packages 07:21 magnuse set up a new server to test 3.10 with real data 07:21 magnuse upload the sql backup from the live server and load it, upgrade schema and rebuild zebra -f 07:22 magnuse but when i try to search i get this: Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 461. 07:22 magnuse e.g.: http://esme.testing.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=lessig 07:22 magnuse ever seen something like that? 07:23 magnuse the rebuild zebra runs without any trouble 07:23 eythian_ I can't say I have seen that. 07:23 magnuse gah :-) 07:23 eythian_ I haven't done a whole lot with the 3.10 packages though 07:24 magnuse it's also weird that the title of the search results page says "you did not specify any search criteria" 07:24 eythian_ hmm yes 07:24 eythian_ that's suspicious 07:25 cait hm 07:26 cait me neither :( 07:26 cait seen it ... autoscroll broken once again 07:26 wahanui I haven't seen 'it', cait 07:27 eythian_ wahanui agrees. 07:27 wahanui eythian_: i'm not following you... 07:27 magnuse i did koha-create before i loaded the sql dump 07:28 eythian_ that's fine, that's what I usually do. 07:28 magnuse earlier, i tried to do koha-create and then add some records, and that seemed to work fine 07:29 eythian_ the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the upgrade process not working correctly, but if that were the case it'd affect everyone. 07:32 magnuse the output from upgrade schema: http://paste.koha-community.org/304 07:32 magnuse there is something weird there: 07:32 magnuse DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha_esme.#sql-792_2260' (errno: 121) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 5443. 07:34 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "lines around 5443" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/305 07:35 magnuse that's related to the borrower_files table, shouldn't think that would affect searching... 07:36 * rangi tries to clear up sanders confusion, hopefully not creating more 07:44 magnuse yup this works fine: koha-create + manually doing the web-installer + staging/importing a batch of files + rebuild zebra 07:44 marcelr hi #koha 07:44 magnuse kia ora marcelr 07:44 marcelr hi magnuse 07:45 alex_a bonjour 07:46 magnuse bonjour france 07:47 julian_m hello magnuse, hello all 07:48 marcelr hello julian_m alex_a 07:48 alex_a hello marcelr 07:51 asaurat hi 07:56 reiveune hello 07:57 gaetan_B hello 07:57 rangi as i suspected 07:58 rangi sander doesn't understand holds 08:00 magnuse yup 08:01 * rangi tries again 08:02 rangi i think he/she thinks a hold is a check out 08:21 magnuse rangi: sounds like it 08:22 * kf waves 08:31 magnuse hiya kf 09:39 rangi *sigh* 09:39 * rangi gives up 09:45 kf oh no 09:45 * kf sends rangi cookies 09:51 drojf i was wondering if language barrier or troll, but i vote troll now :P 09:51 drojf hi #koha 09:53 kf hi drojf 09:55 drojf hi kf 09:56 drojf with tech people doing free tech support for koha, maybe librarians could have a community initiative to teach basic ILS things ;) some people seem confused that we do not walk them through the complete system but i am not starting to do that in my spare time 09:57 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 09:57 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.8°C (10:43 AM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 09:57 kf yeah 09:57 rangi drojf: that is a good idea 09:58 kf can I go for tech support please? 09:58 rangi it would be nice to see librarians answering the library policy/usage type questions 09:59 rangi some do of course, but they vastly outnumber us on the mailing list .. but not in answering mails :) 09:59 drojf that's right. maybe we are too fast 10:00 rangi could be 10:00 rangi maybe scared of being wrong too? 10:01 vfernandes hi :) 10:01 drojf if you have a long thread with koha dinosaurs like yourself answering they might be, yes 10:01 drojf ;) 10:02 drojf there must be so many librarians on that list. maybe they are less shy if we don't answer these questions. or answer with "any librarian here to explain" or something 10:02 drojf hi vfernandes 10:03 rangi good idea lemme try 10:04 rangi lets see if that works 10:05 drojf :) 10:10 drojf we should introduce the position of 'noob wranglers' for these questions :D 10:17 gerundio hi, good morning 10:18 gerundio I've filled the value for the "BorrowerUnwantedField" field in the System preferences 10:18 gerundio and the collumns values I've inserted there don't show up in the intranet patron entry screen 10:19 gerundio but keep showing up in the OPAC personal details screen 10:19 gerundio how can I hide them there too? 10:19 kf gerundio: only using jquery 10:19 kf gerundio: the syspref doesn't extent to the opac yet 10:19 kf extend 10:19 gerundio ok kf, thanks a lot for the quick reply :) 10:22 magnuse kf++ 10:22 gerundio btw, any reason for that to limit the fields shown in the intranet but not on OPAC? 10:23 kf I think we might want to have 2 different prefs long term 10:23 kf because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only (even if that is probably not a good idea) 10:30 gerundio I read internally only as in intranet only, correct? 10:30 gerundio what we have now is the exact opposite 10:30 gerundio internaly only make much more sense to me 10:30 kf sorry, gerundio, not sure I understand 10:31 gerundio you said "because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only" 10:32 kf ah yes, show more in intranet than opac 10:32 gerundio exactly 10:32 kf but it might be wrong, because patrons should be able to see what you store about them 10:32 kf but the view on this might differ 10:32 gerundio and what we have now in the exact opposite, right? 10:32 kf I think it's started more as a way to shorten the entry form 10:32 kf and it was done for that, but should probably be extended 10:33 kf you coudl file a feature request 10:34 gerundio btw, you said the only way to accomplish that is by using JS 10:34 gerundio a colleague of mine did it on a devel setup by changing the template files 10:34 gerundio is that a good way to go? 10:37 kf no 10:37 kf it will explode each and every time you update 10:37 kf Ithink if it#s just the user shouldn't see what you don't store about them anyway, js hsould be fine 10:37 kf they will see empty fields if js is deactivated 10:38 kf if you really wanted to hide something effectively changing the frameworks might be the only way to do it - but it's not recommendable because of the update pain 10:38 gerundio kf, thanks for saying what I wanted to ear :D 10:39 kf and changing frameworks is changing templats... it's monday :) 10:39 gerundio my colleague wanted to insert an id from another platform into the streetnumber field on koha 10:39 gerundio so we could do his integration 10:39 kf hm 10:39 gerundio I always said it was a bad idea 10:39 kf that's nto a good way to do it 10:39 kf do you need it for patron import? 10:39 gerundio he should use the LDAP username 10:40 kf gerundio: have you looked into extended patron attributes? 10:40 kf I think there is a patch around to make them work with ldap, so that might be a problem right now, but is the better way to do it I think 10:40 kf you can define a patron attribute to be unique 10:40 kf and visible or not in opac 10:40 kf and you can match on unique patron attributes during patron import 10:52 gerundio kf, sorry for the hold up 10:52 gerundio my colleague was here and I was telling him what you told me 10:53 gerundio I'm already using extended patron attributes 10:53 gerundio but there's a bug already reported about LDAP mapping 10:54 gerundio don't know if the patch works, I have a task to test it in my TODO list :) 10:55 gerundio that would be a better solution no doubt about it 10:55 gerundio if I didn't think he'd be fine just with the LDAP username :) 10:55 kf :) 10:55 kf you will work it out :) 11:40 vfernandes slips on 3.8.X and 3.10.X are configurable right? 11:40 kf yes 11:41 vfernandes quickslips only show the patron today checkouts? 11:41 kf i am not sure, maybe test it, but I think yes 11:42 vfernandes what you think about having renewal and checkin quick slips? 11:42 kf I think I woudl like checkin slips 11:42 kf because there is no way currently to do that and it's something common here 11:42 kf for renewal I could always print a complete account slip, but it might still be useful there too 11:44 vfernandes In one of my installations I've done a modification in order to haver quickslips for renewal and returns 11:44 vfernandes the problem with returns is the fines 11:44 vfernandes I never managed to do that in the right way 11:45 kf why the fines? 11:45 kf and there are slips (hardcoded but stil) I think for payments 11:46 vfernandes because normally the return slips envolves the payment of the fine if the book is overdue 11:46 vfernandes is a 2 in one slip: return and payment slip 11:47 kf hm 11:47 kf not necessarily 11:47 kf lots of people don't pay the fines when giving back and you always have to change into the patron account 11:47 vfernandes yes not necessarily 11:47 kf I think I woudl not mind having 2 separate slips 11:47 kf we could also have a "today's actions" slip 11:48 kf issues, returns and fines - from patron account 11:49 vfernandes issues, renewal, returns (with or without fines on the configuration) and fines 11:51 kf not sure how to do that in a user friendly way 11:53 vfernandes now there is 3 options in print button: Print summary, Print slip, Print quick slip 12:01 vfernandes sorry kf... the system power went down 12:01 kf np 12:01 vfernandes I was saying that in the print option there is 3 option: print summary, print slip, print quick slip 12:03 vfernandes the idea was to set 5 options: summary, slip, checkout quick slip, return quick slip and renewal quick slip (I think we can take "Print .." from the link) 12:04 kf I always like the idea of more optiosn, but it can get overwhelmling eaisly 12:05 kf drojf++ 12:06 vfernandes do you think that I should add this options? and about changing the "strings" removing "print" from the links? 12:06 kf I think removing print should be ok, if the button stays labelled... but not sure about accessibility hm 12:07 kf maybe ask some more people? 12:07 drojf kf: huh? 12:09 vfernandes "Print" can be maintain there is not a real problem... but I think the omission can be done because the button is already as "Print" 12:09 kf drojf: bug wrangling :) 12:09 kf vfernandes: I wondered if it would be confusing for people not seeing the button :) 12:12 vfernandes "Print summary, Print slip, Checkout quick slip, Checkin quick slip, Renewal quick slip" 12:12 vfernandes Print checkout quick slip... maybe is too long :/ 12:13 kf yeah 12:14 vfernandes "Checkout quick slip" is a good option? 12:16 vfernandes I think so... I will create a bug for the implementation of renewal and checkin quick slips 12:17 vfernandes which should be the correct component of the bug? Circulation or patron? 12:17 drojf so what do i do if there is no complexity field that i have to set? 12:17 drojf (in bugzilla) 12:18 kf hm it shoudl show up when you switch to needs sign-off 12:18 kf vfernandes: maybe notices if there is one 12:18 kf or circ 12:18 drojf no it doesn't because i cannot switch because i canno set complexity 12:18 kf new bug? 12:19 drojf yes 12:20 drojf bug 9248 12:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9248 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a German Zebra language definition file 12:21 kf and what are you trying to do? 12:21 kf when i switch to need ssignoff, the patch complexity shows up for me 12:22 drojf where? 12:22 kf right column on top 12:22 vfernandes near sponsored 12:22 kf last one 12:22 wahanui last one is the first one if you look backwards. 12:22 drojf that is where i expected it but it doesn't 12:22 kf hm 12:22 kf javasript problem? 12:23 drojf i could change to assigned. but i cannot change to needs sign off 12:23 kf you are logged int oo right? 12:23 kf hm 12:23 kf maybe close browser and try again? 12:27 drojf it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5 12:35 druthb @wunder 66046 12:35 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.4°C (6:34 AM CST on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 12:35 druthb now, who thought *that* up? 12:36 * druthb blames kf. 12:41 magnuse @wunder boo 12:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (1:20 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 12:44 tcohen @wunder Cordoba, Argentina 12:44 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 28.0°C (9:00 AM ART on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 12:45 magnuse somwhere in between, perhaps? 12:46 tcohen morning #koha 12:49 marcelr afternoon tcohen 12:49 magnuse hiya tcohen 12:50 druthb Wait. It's colder in Lawrence, Kansas than it is in the *ARCTIC*? kf, you're off the hook. I'm blaming magnuse for this one. 12:50 magnuse oh noes! 12:51 * druthb shivers, and gives magnuse the ebil eye. 12:51 * magnuse sends druthb a stack of firewood 12:51 kf @wunder Konstanz 12:51 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (1:50 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 12:51 kf magnuse: youare really encouraging her to make a fire? 12:53 * druthb makes a little pyramid of logs, with a loose pile of little bits in the middle, and a wadded-up ball of newspaper. One match, no accelerant. She'd have made a heckuva Girl Scout. 12:53 magnuse sounds good to me 12:54 kf druthb: as long as you are not doing this on your hardwood floors inside the house ... 12:55 druthb Now, that would be silly, kf. 12:55 kf hm right 12:57 drojf anyone ever looked at http://weblate.org/en/ for translation? 13:01 druthb drojf: I just played with the demo a minute, and I kind of like it! :) 13:02 kf i guess the big question for every tool is if it can handle our big files 13:03 druthb I can find that out. My other curiosity will be how well it handles RTL languages. Pootle *does*, but it's kind of ugly-looking and can be confusing to translators. 13:03 * kf nods 13:04 kf druthb: has the pootle server moved to his new home yet or is that in the works? 13:04 Brooke o/ 13:04 druthb drojf, kf, magnuse: Once I get our pootle woes cleared up, I could spin up a test of this for a few folks to try out. 13:04 druthb kf: still working on that. 13:04 druthb Hey, Brooke! 13:04 drojf druthb: that would be cool 13:04 drojf hi Brooke 13:04 Brooke howdy 13:05 kf druthb: did you see the request for new greek files on the mailing list? 13:05 druthb Since I'm not a translator, I'm unqualified to have an opinion on the "best tool." But I wanna put this in *your* hands, and you tell me what you wanna use, and I'll see to it. 13:05 kf ah, you probably did 13:05 druthb I did, kf. 13:05 kf just let me knwo if I can help with something 13:06 drojf i have seen options for context of singular and plural forms. what i would like is context like depending on module and things :) 13:06 magnuse ki ora Brooke 13:07 magnuse s/ki/kia/ 13:07 Brooke kia orrraaa 13:08 kf i am all for improving things 13:08 kf as long as it does not require any retranslating 13:10 drojf come on kf, a few thousand strings :P 13:11 Brooke all the cool kids are doin' it 13:12 druthb I like the easy-to-spot links to the source file on Weblate. That's pretty slick. 13:12 drojf Translation context part allows you to see related information about current string. Nearby messages, Similar messages, All locations, Dictionary, Recent edits, Project 13:12 Brooke sechsy 13:12 kf drojf: maybe it would be possible to do that with pootle too 13:12 Brooke I <3 context 13:12 kf and we are just not doing it 13:13 drojf kf: maybe. i would have expected the previous translation managers to have known and talked about. but maybe that was never asked about 13:13 * Brooke still has nightmares about encroaching %s 13:13 drojf lol 13:13 magnuse yeah those %s's are pesky 13:14 kf I like having them better than not having them 13:14 kf it gave us a lot more context instead of single words 13:16 druthb ssssh...kf, you gotta quit talking about jcamins; he's here now. 13:17 drojf i was promised a "back in office" email party but all i got was this louse "out of office" email again 13:17 jcamins drojf: it's 8:16am EST, and I think he's somewhere on the west coast. 13:18 drojf ah. right. weird people not living in my timezone, forgot about that 13:18 Brooke pfft the West Coast is communist. In especial in eNZed. 13:19 H annyone knows this problem ...Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package koha-common 13:20 jcamins H: sounds like you don't have your apt repositories configured. 13:20 jcamins packages? 13:20 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 13:20 jcamins ^^ that page tells you what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list. 13:20 H i use the ubuntu version 13:21 drojf you use the debian packages with ubuntu 13:21 H i follow the wikki yes 13:21 H did do the key 13:22 drojf did you du apt-get update after adding the line to /etc/apt/sources.list ? 13:22 drojf s/du/do 13:22 H ah i updated before oeps 13:22 jcamins H: did you run `apt-get update`? 13:22 jcamins Could you paste the line you added to sources.list to paste.koha-community.org? 13:23 kf druthb tmscnack cookie 13:23 druthb nom nom nom 13:23 magnuse hm, does that mean druthb is in fact a bot? 13:23 druthb kf QAMsnack oatmeal bar 13:23 kf oh yum! 13:23 jcamins magnuse: that is one weird error. 13:24 magnuse jcamins: yup. i can't get my head around it 13:25 jcamins Bet you're wishing I'd gotten further in the search rewrite, huh? ;) 13:25 magnuse hehe, yeah 13:25 Brooke magnuse druthb isn't a bot, I am. DUN DUN DUNNNNNN 13:25 magnuse gaaah, the bots are coming! 13:26 jcamins magnuse: did you restart Zebra? 13:26 druthb EX-TER-MIN-ATE. 13:26 kf btw good morning jcamins :) 13:26 Brooke and those silly humans think that it's going to be a zombie apocalypse Waha... 13:27 Brooke proving once again that *everything* is related to the search rewrite. 13:27 jcamins Morning. 13:27 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 13:27 * Brooke hands jcamins a spanner 13:27 magnuse hm, no 13:27 drojf what did i miss? zebra apocalypse? 13:28 Brooke enywho, seriously, leaving this time 13:30 magnuse jcamins: no change after stop/start/reindex 13:31 jcamins Hm. 13:31 jcamins Do you have this loaded onto a development server where you can follow my destructive instructions? 13:32 magnuse yup 13:32 jcamins Good. 13:32 jcamins Go to line 461 of C4::Search. 13:32 H http://mibpaste.com/8ZiohX 13:32 jcamins Add an "if $results[ $i - 1 ]->record($j);" at the end. 13:33 jcamins H: you do not need libchi-perl. It's optional. 13:33 H ok 13:33 H thx for the info 13:34 magnuse jcamins: done 13:35 tcohen hi jcamins 13:35 magnuse jcamins: that gives me Can't call method "render" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 476. 13:35 kf drojf: did you ask wizzy to put the new lmailing list on the website yet? 13:35 tcohen thanks, for that push btw jcamins 13:35 kf drojf: also, maybe we shoudl send an email to the normal Koha list as well - some people might have missed that there is a list at all 13:37 jcamins magnuse: okay, add the same if statement on line 476. 13:38 magnuse jcamins: ok 13:38 jcamins I want to know if it's giving good results. 13:38 magnuse heh, that gives a weird result list 13:38 magnuse [off] http://esme.testing.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=lessig 13:39 jcamins Okay, *none* of your records appear to have been indexed. 13:40 jcamins Or, rather, to have been recorded in the indexes. 13:40 jcamins Which is of course a very different thing. 13:40 magnuse looks to me like it is finding the records, but can't display them 13:41 magnuse it's giving the right number of results, compared to the old installation 13:41 jcamins Yup. And it knows you have 150 records. 13:41 magnuse yeah 13:42 jcamins Would you try running rebuild_zebra.pl -v -v -v -r -x 13:42 jcamins -b 13:43 kf normarc specific problem?:( 13:43 jcamins kf: nope. 13:43 jcamins catalog.bywatersolutions.com. 13:45 kf oh ok 13:45 magnuse jcamins: would this work? $ sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v -v -v esme 13:45 jcamins If it passes the -v through, then yes. 13:46 jcamins Looks like it does, so yes. 13:47 magnuse and "2&> ~/esme-vvv.txt" to redirect all of the output to a file, right? 13:48 jcamins Yes. 13:48 magnuse just need to scp that file around a bit... 13:50 magnuse jcamins: there you go: http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/esme-vvv.txt 13:53 jcamins Hm. 13:54 jcamins I don't see any problem. 13:55 magnuse :-( 14:02 drojf kf: it's listed on the lists site automatically i think 14:03 jcamins Interesting! 14:03 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 14:03 jcamins Fridolyn's suggestion is a good one. 14:07 magnuse hm, not sure i see the relevance? 14:07 jcamins The problem is somewhere before the records get into Koha. 14:08 jcamins Oh, look at that. 14:08 jcamins Paul has instructions for fixing the problem. 14:08 magnuse but the records i'm indexing here came along with the database dump? 14:08 jcamins Yes, but they also come along with the configuration. 14:09 jcamins http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087#c29 14:09 huginn 04Bug 3087: enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB 14:09 * magnuse reads 14:09 jcamins Though obviously you don't want to set it to UNIMARC. 14:10 magnuse hehe 14:11 magnuse so i should run those sed commands? 14:11 magnuse with normarc, of course 14:12 jcamins You'll just want to check that it should be set to "normarc" and not something else. 14:12 jcamins Okay, I need to pack up and go. 14:12 jcamins Good luck! 14:22 vfernandes one thing: the slips are configurable on notices interface but they aren't used on the moremember-receipt.tt 14:22 vfernandes is this normal? 14:29 vfernandes something is wrong.... 14:30 vfernandes if I'm at patron details on check out tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to printslip.pl 14:37 vfernandes if I'm at patron details on details tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to moremember.pl 14:37 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 14:37 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 0.6°C (3:13 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 14:37 drojf more snow… 14:37 kf drojf: yeah, listed, but on a page that is quite hidden - maybe a little bit of advertising would be good? :) 14:37 drojf the other language specific lists are also not there 14:37 drojf but a reference to that page 14:37 mib_6eiq2g hi i'm trying to install koha using the instructions from this page, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git#Ubuntu_Packages_from_List , i have create the database and the user but now i don't know what to do 14:37 drojf i don't see how we are more interesting than the french list or the spanish one 14:37 drojf mib_6eiq2g: it would help to ask a specific question. "don't know what to do" is pretty vague 14:37 drojf what is the problem? 14:37 wahanui the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 14:37 drojf heh. ignore wahanui 14:37 drojf mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha? 14:37 vfernandes printslip.pl uses the template, moremember.pl not.... shouldn't both of them use the templateS? 14:37 mib_6eiq2g the last three commands that i have execute are this $ export __KOHA_USER__=$USER $ export __KOHA_GROUP__=$USER $ echo $USER and when i try to execute $ perl Makefile.PL i give me an error 14:37 drojf mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha? 14:38 mib_6eiq2g for a regular one 14:38 drojf then you have the wrong guide 14:38 drojf please see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 14:38 drojf that should be easier to install to 14:38 drojf too 14:39 mib_6eiq2g thank you, i have asked for the instructions for the installation and one gives me this 14:47 gerundio mail? 14:47 wahanui somebody said mail was not understandable 14:47 gerundio email? 14:47 gerundio email setup? 14:48 gerundio is there any guide on how to setup email on koha? 14:48 gerundio I have postfix set on the server 14:48 gerundio but the notices aren't being received by patrons 14:49 gerundio I'm not sure what is originating this behavior, so I wanted to make sure everything is set up properly 14:49 drojf have you checked the logs? 14:50 * drojf goes out into the snow 14:50 gerundio drojf, I did 14:51 gerundio didn't find any relevant info there though 14:51 vfernandes have you set the KohaEmailAdminAddress or something like that? 14:51 gerundio yes 14:51 gerundio the cronjobs are in place too 14:52 vfernandes which is the result of the messages? failed? 14:52 vfernandes you can check in the database directly or in the patron details messages separator 14:53 gerundio the message_queue table is empty 14:53 gerundio which I find to be weird 14:53 vfernandes so the messages aren't being generated 14:53 gerundio as if no messages have been generated 14:53 gerundio exactly 14:54 vfernandes every patron category as messaging enable? 14:54 vfernandes EnhancedMessagingPreferences is enable? 14:55 gerundio EnhancedMessagingPreferences is not enabled 14:55 gerundio but that just seems to enable patrons to set they're notices receiving options, right? 14:55 kf gerundio: which kind of notices are you trying to send? 14:56 kf no, it enables the notices listed in the table in general - standards to be set at the patron category level 14:56 gerundio kf, some of our library operators have made some circulation tests 14:56 kf but it's not for overdues, that's why I was asking aboutthe message you want to send :) 14:56 kf checkout and checkin slips by email then? 14:56 gerundio borrowed some books and didn't return them to check the fines and overdue delivery notices 14:56 vfernandes you have to enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences 14:56 kf they have to make sure the patrons they test with have email addresses 14:57 kf and have the boxes ticked for the messages they want to receive 14:57 vfernandes and then set for each patron category the default message set 14:57 gerundio kf, all users have valid email addresses since our auth is being made via LDAP 14:57 kf the standards from the patron category are only applied to new patrons, for existing the messages are deactivated 14:57 kf vfernandes++ yep exactly :) 14:58 vfernandes for the existent patron I think you will need to set them manually 14:58 gerundio where can I check the patron category messaging setting? 14:58 vfernandes administration -> patron categories 14:58 gerundio I looked in "Patron category administration" but I don't see any such option 14:59 gerundio Overdue notice required?!? 14:59 vfernandes ..../cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl 15:00 vfernandes Have you enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences? Then when creating or editing a category will be a table in the end with the notices preferences 15:01 gerundio vfernandes, EnhancedMessagingPreferences was the answers 15:02 vfernandes each patron was now the same table on the details page 15:02 vfernandes *has now 15:02 gerundio the text for the description of what this field does lead me in error 15:03 gerundio it looked to me that this allowed patrons to change their notices policies 15:03 vfernandes yes they can change it on the OPAC 15:03 vfernandes but it's the only way to activate the email sending 15:05 vfernandes maybe the preference should be change to only activate the configuration in the staff client... and then should be another to activate it in the OPAC 15:10 H sudo koha-create --create-db bibliotheek sudo: koha-create: command not found ... annyone ? 15:11 gerundio vfernandes, my point too 15:11 gerundio otherwise it seems like patrons can simply turn off notices 15:11 vfernandes I will fill up a bug with this 15:12 oleonard Hi #koha 15:12 gerundio hey oleonard 15:12 wahanui oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! 15:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Call for Participation: Library Perceptions 2012 http://t.co/xh29BENW #kohails" 15:13 * druthb giggles at wahanui 15:19 vfernandes gerundio: bug 9254 created 15:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences 15:35 gerundio vfernandes, thanks for submitting the bug 15:35 gerundio btw, does koha consider weekends as open library days? 15:36 vfernandes depends on the library calendar 15:36 gerundio I just got a complaint saying that weekends were being accounted for 15:36 vfernandes you have to set in the library calendar that weekends are close days 15:37 gerundio so all I have to do is set 2 "Holiday repeating weekly", 1 for Saturday and 1 for Sunday? 15:38 vfernandes yes 15:39 vfernandes then you have so see your configurations if circulation and holds are using the close days or not 15:46 jcamins gerundio: you have to configure Koha to treat weekends as holidays. 15:48 jcamins magnuse: did changing the syntax work? 16:05 vfernandes how suspensions works in koha 3.8.X 16:05 vfernandes ? 16:06 vfernandes it's possible to set the following: a patron returns a overdue book with more than 15 days... the patron is debarred for 30 days 16:07 jcamins Is that a problem? 16:07 vfernandes after X days returns returns another overdue... those X days can be sum to the suspension? 16:08 jcamins I do not know. 16:08 jcamins Suspensions aren't commonly used in the US, so I've only ever used the feature when testing bugs. 16:09 vfernandes let me test it 16:12 gerundio Portuguese librarians love suspensions :p 16:28 vfernandes debarred is always being set to '9999-12-31' 16:28 vfernandes :/ 16:28 oleonard That is correct 16:29 vfernandes shouldn't be set to 30 days? 16:29 vfernandes from now? 16:30 oleonard "Plain," non-date-dependent debarrals are set to that date 16:30 vfernandes in which table? 16:30 kf bye all 16:31 oleonard Are you talking about a debarral which is set by circulation rules? 16:31 vfernandes yes... but I have a 30 days suspension 16:32 vfernandes on third overdue email (16 days after overdue) the patron is debarred and suspended for 30 days 16:33 jcamins I didn't think the overdue triggers allowed you to set the number of days. 16:33 jcamins I thought you were using fine-in-days. 16:33 jcamins They don't. 16:34 jcamins It's just a checkbox. 16:34 vfernandes humm ok... I thought suspension in days started at the beginning of the debar 16:35 jcamins No. 16:35 vfernandes ok thanks 16:35 jcamins At least, it didn't use to. 16:54 gerundio off topic: anybody here using Google Chrome? 16:54 oleonard Yes 16:54 gerundio did yours crashed too just now? 16:55 oleonard Do you mean Google Mail? 16:57 libsysguy no 16:57 libsysguy google chrome 16:57 wahanui well, google chrome is fine 16:57 libsysguy and yes 16:57 jcamins Chrome works fine for me. 16:58 jcamins Gmail is having a service disruption, I think. 16:58 * oleonard is using Chrome Canary at the moment 16:58 gerundio yeap 16:58 gerundio I guess chrome crashed for users who had gmail opened in a tab or something 16:59 chris_n you know its not a going to be a good monday when the first thing you see on your linux workstation is a screen full of /dev/foo media errors where foo is your single hdd 16:59 jcamins gerundio: I had Gmail open in two tabs. 16:59 gerundio jcamins, and yours didn't crash? 16:59 jcamins Nope. 17:01 magnuse jcamins: nope. and i'm not sure it can be that, since another instance created in just the same way on the same server, but with a clean database works. i suspect it must ve something in the database 17:02 jcamins magnuse: so you restored an instance with no data? 17:03 magnuse um no. i created two instances, then loaded a 3.8 database dump into it one, and ran through the web installer on the other 17:03 magnuse then staged/imported the records from the dumped instance into the clean one 17:04 magnuse the first one does not work, the swcond one does 17:04 jcamins Okay, so you did not use koha-restore at all? 17:04 * jcamins thought you had. 17:04 magnuse nope 17:04 magnuse just koha-mysql esme < esme.sql 17:04 jcamins Hmm... 17:04 magnuse so the config files are all from 3.10 17:04 magnuse on both instances 17:04 * jcamins blames marcflavour. 17:05 jcamins Check capitalization. 17:06 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Updating Personal Information in Koha 3.6 http://t.co/0aErBpHq" 17:09 libsysguy chrome died for me again 17:10 magnuse jcamins: gah! the one that worked had marcflavour = marc21. changing that to normarc and reindexing gives the same search error as on the other instance 17:12 jcamins I suggest you just submit a patch to make "normarc" be treated as "marc21". 17:12 magnuse but changing the esme one that never worked to marcflavour = marc21 does *not* solve the problem 17:13 jcamins magnuse: did you do a full reindex after changing the marcflavour? 17:13 magnuse jcamins: yup 17:14 magnuse sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v esme 17:14 jcamins And you made sure that you didn't have any changes from when I told you to edit the various config files? 17:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #247 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago) 17:15 magnuse hm, guess i did not revert the changes in koha-conf.xml 17:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #247: STILL FAILING in 1 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/247/ 17:16 jenkins_koha nengard: add lists permissions 17:19 nengard i've got a question about the feature in bug 7310 (I did not read the entire thing yet) - if you're not allowing patrons to create public lists can they still allow people to add things to their private lists? seems like they shouldn't be allowed to ? but just thought I should check for the manual 17:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 17:21 chris_n stupid gmail 17:23 nengard it's back 17:23 nengard or it's back for me 17:24 jcamins nengard: apparently it's causing Chrome to crash for people who are seemingly not us. 17:24 nengard well it did crash for me earlier 17:24 nengard it's just fine now ? 17:25 senator weird. when the gmail outage started, it spontaneously crashed chrome for me too ( 23.0.1271.95 on 64-bit linux ) 17:25 senator begin conspiracy theories 17:26 gerundio mine crashed 3 or 4 times in a matter of minutes 17:26 gerundio from what I read this happened to logged in users 17:26 jcamins It's a remote exploit of the Pentium hang bug!! 17:26 jcamins Everyone hide under a desk! 17:27 gerundio we tried to trace the browser traffic with Wireshark to see if we could figure out what was causing the crashes, but no luck so far :) 17:28 gerundio Google should apologize and reinstate Google Apps free edition again eheheeh 17:28 magnuse jcamins: there is another problem with bug 3087: debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in was not updated, so it is still hardcoded to <retrieval syntax="usmarc" 17:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB 17:28 jcamins magnuse: you should file another bug for that. 17:28 magnuse yup 17:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #248 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago) 17:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #248: STILL FAILING in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/248/ 17:29 jenkins_koha nengard: update lists permissions in the opac 17:31 libsysguy http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/10/3750934/gmail-is-down 17:31 libsysguy gerundio jcamins ^^ 17:32 jcamins Ah, Chrome sync. 17:32 jcamins I don't use it. 17:32 * libsysguy does 17:32 libsysguy its handy 17:32 jcamins I think it's lunch time. 17:32 libsysguy bring back hotdogs 17:33 gerundio libsysguy, all back to normal now 17:33 gerundio sync is very handy indeed 17:33 libsysguy yup 17:36 gerundio is there any function to update a subfield for a given marc field on a record? 17:37 magnuse has anyone tried the 3.10 packages with unimarc? 17:37 gerundio I'm coding a script to update unimarc subfield 100 a 17:37 gerundio I'm able to see the values using $field->subfields() 17:38 gerundio I'm even able to update it using $field->{_subfields}[1] = new value 17:38 gerundio but I'm pretty sure there must be a better way 17:38 gerundio I can't really say if the value is always in index 1 17:39 magnuse gerundio: my $subfield = $field->subfield( 'a' ); 17:40 magnuse http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-Record-2.0.3/lib/MARC/Field.pm#subfield%28code%29 17:41 gerundio then for update all I have to do is $field->update(a => 'new value'), right? 17:42 magnuse yeah, i think so 17:42 gerundio thanks a lot 17:43 magnuse jcamins: i did apt-get remove/install koha-common to reset the common configs, and now both instances work with marcflavour = marc21 and fails with marcflavour = normarc. that's some kind of progress, i guess :-) 17:45 magnuse i think that the conclusion so far is that 3087 broke the packages for marcflavour != marc21, but i might be wrong 17:47 jcamins magnuse: that's my conclusion as well. 17:53 magnuse andeven if i choose nb-NO and normarc during installation, marcflavour is set to marc21 when i'm done with the installation... don't think it used to be like that 17:54 jcamins magnuse: I pushed a patch from you to fix that, and it worked when I tried it. 17:56 magnuse hm, the only one i can remember doing recently was the firstdayoftheweek setting 17:57 jcamins Oh, maybe that's the one I tested. 17:57 jcamins Alas, marcelr isn't around. I would've liked to ask if he'd heard of "Van Nelle." 17:58 magnuse oh well, i'll do some more digging tomorrow 17:58 magnuse jcamins: for lots of help and inspiration :-) 17:58 magnuse uh 17:58 magnuse jcamins++ 17:58 magnuse there 17:59 gerundio jcamins, does the $field->update() function update all the references on the DB? 17:59 gerundio for that UNIMARC field 100 subfield a fix script 17:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #249 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago) 17:59 jcamins gerundio: no. 17:59 jenkins_koha Starting build #8 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs build #249: STILL FAILING in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/249/ 17:59 jenkins_koha nengard: update cleanup_database.pl description 17:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #8: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/8/ 17:59 jenkins_koha nengard: update cleanup_database.pl description 18:00 magnuse bug 9256, btw 18:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in is hardcoded to retrieval syntax = usmarc 18:00 gerundio so far I have 1. GetMarcBiblio, 2. update the value on sublfield a 18:00 gerundio do I have to do something else? 18:00 jcamins gerundio: it updates a single field in a single record. 18:02 jcamins gerundio: you'll need to save the record. 18:04 gerundio ok, but will it update both marc and marcxml collumns or just one of them? 18:04 YoungPublicLibrarian Pasting a report to the board, if someone could take a quick look at it and give me some advice it would be great! 18:04 pastebot "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/306 18:05 YoungPublicLibrarian With that report, how would I limit the results to just a specific branches fines? It already limits the patrons to that of a specific branch. 18:05 jcamins It will save both, provided you use the API. 18:05 chris_n its about time google owned up to their problems 18:06 chris_n http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=status&ts=1355201999000 18:06 jcamins If you're using the template script, the way it saves the record should work. 18:07 gerundio ok, jcamins, thanks again 18:08 gerundio now I have to run 18:08 gerundio tomorrow is another day 18:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement? 18:14 vfernandes bye koha community :) see you tomorrow 18:20 tcohen www::mechanize rules 18:21 jcamins tcohen: agreed! 18:25 rangi Is it the 10th in the us now? 18:25 YoungPublicLibrarian It is. 18:25 cait hm shoudl be 18:26 oleonard So someone's vacation should be over 18:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I posted earlier if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch? 18:27 libsysguy ^^ 18:27 jcamins lol 18:33 drojf sjohnson++ 18:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Yay sjohnson is back from vacation! #kohails" 18:34 drojf lol 18:36 cait lol 18:44 tcohen heh rangi lol 18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I'm posting now if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch? 18:54 pastebot "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/307 18:56 reiveune bye 19:15 * chris_n attempt to discern the output of fines.pl... 19:15 chris_n :/usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs# ./fines.pl -v 19:15 chris_n writing to /tmp/koha_biblios_2012-12-10.log 19:15 chris_n Fines assessment -- $today->ymd() -- Saved to $filename 19:15 chris_n Number of Overdue Items: 19:15 chris_n counted $overdue_items 19:15 chris_n reported $counted 19:15 chris_n look messed up to anyone else? 19:17 jcamins Yes. 19:18 cait hi chris_n :) 19:22 YoungPublicLibrarian Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of this report (http://paste.koha-community.org/307) if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch? 19:24 rangi Try it and see 19:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Would love to, but my branch doesn't have report writing permissions... 19:26 rangi Can't help you with that then 19:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Does the logic seem correct? 19:26 rangi Ok meeting time 19:26 wahanui meeting time is, like, always going to favour one section of the globe 19:30 jcamins wahanui: you know, I think you may be right about that. 19:30 wahanui jcamins: what? 19:31 jcamins wahanui: never mind. 19:31 wahanui Oh good, I didn't understand and probably never will, being a bot. 19:33 cait lol 20:11 tcohen jcamins, understood what you meant 20:11 tcohen should that file be removed? 20:12 jcamins tcohen: I don't think so. I think it's very useful for someone who wants to set up a backup for themselves. 20:12 tcohen ok 20:12 jcamins And with 9235 it would probably be possible to even just tell people "run backup.sh to backup your database." 20:13 tcohen yeap 20:18 * cait gears up for qa 20:18 cait or something like that 20:23 oleonard Gearing up for QA: http://bit.ly/XKNDZh 20:23 cait i love the makeup 20:26 tcohen yeah, those mad QA team members are going hunt 20:27 jcamins Are we sure about the API for GetMember? 20:27 jcamins Yes we are. 20:27 jcamins Ugh. 20:29 tcohen jcamins, for building packages from master for testing, do I new squeeze or squeeze-dev in my k-c sources? 20:29 jcamins tcohen: squeeze-dev. 20:29 wahanui well, squeeze-dev is master 20:29 jcamins tcohen: but be prepared to spend lots of time gnashing your teeth. 20:30 jcamins That reminds me. 20:31 * jcamins files bug 9258. 20:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9258 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Debian packages should not depend on CHI 20:32 tcohen --- eq 'eythian'? 20:32 * jcamins will probably ask eythian to patch it, since he knows how to do it properly, yes. 20:34 tcohen my source tree is busy building some deb packages right now, and will be for a while (non-SSD box right now) :-P 20:34 cait hm 20:34 cait got an error updating my database? 20:35 jcamins cait: oh? 20:36 cait yeah it's weird 20:36 cait quite sure I never tested 7919 20:36 cait but it says the tables already exist 20:36 jcamins I had asked you to test bug 7919 a while ago, so maybe you did. 20:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes) 20:37 cait hm no I didn't 20:37 jcamins Oh, well, you might also have updated when it was only semi-merged. 20:37 cait hm maybe 20:37 jcamins (there was no version number set) 20:37 cait possible 20:37 wahanui it has been said that possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here 20:38 oleonard members.patronimage.pl is really slow... 5.5 seconds to load a 65Kb jpeg :( 20:39 cait hm that sounds slow 20:39 jcamins Very slow. 20:39 cait are you testing or really doing it? 20:39 oleonard Of course that's on my dinky VM 20:39 oleonard I'm looking at how quickly assets load on circulation.pl 20:40 jcamins I hope we load the patron image in an AJAXy fashion? 20:40 jcamins If it takes 5.5 seconds. 20:41 oleonard It's an img src target, so I don't think doing it AJAXy would make a difference? 20:42 jcamins oleonard: I think the $(document).ready() Javascript won't fire until it's finished? 20:42 jcamins I could be mistaken. 20:42 oleonard I don't think that's correct 20:42 jcamins Do I have it backwards? 20:43 jcamins document.ready fires before everything has finished, and load fires after? 20:43 oleonard Yeah, that's why we have to use something like window.onload for managing Amazon covers and things like that 20:43 tcohen oh, --save-after-login, relieved i remembered u 20:43 jcamins Ah. 20:43 oleonard document.ready waits for the DOM to load, meaning the whole structure of the page 20:44 jcamins Okay, never mind, then. 20:44 jcamins I knew one of the triggers would wait until every single image had been downloaded. 20:57 jcamins Is anyone looking for a name for a boy? I suggest Gerald Hugh Tyrwhitt-Wilson. 20:58 tcohen root@koha-dev:~# koha-create --create-db test 20:58 tcohen awk: cmd. line:4: fatal: cannot open file `/etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf' for reading (No such file or directory) 20:58 oleonard Smashing. 20:58 jcamins tcohen: sounds like koha-common might not be configured. 20:59 jcamins Try `sudo apt-get -f install` 20:59 tcohen dpkg-reconfigure 20:59 tcohen looks like i need mysql-server i guess 20:59 tcohen :-D 20:59 jcamins lol 20:59 jcamins Yes. 21:00 tcohen can i tell it I use an external db? 21:00 jcamins Yes, but then you have to write the koha-common.cnf file yourself. 21:00 tcohen ok 21:00 tcohen a dialog for entering that data would be handy 21:01 jcamins Ooh, that would be nifty. 21:04 tcohen yeah, some error handling too! 21:04 wizzyrea I am sure robin would take patches :) 21:05 jcamins See wizzyrea's response. ^^ ;) 21:07 tcohen i'll talk with robin about this 21:07 tcohen bye #koha 21:11 oleonard by #koha 21:27 * jcamins works out that "Le poisson d'or" is a "goldfish," eventually. 21:28 rambutan @seen brooke 21:28 huginn rambutan: brooke was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Brooke> enywho, seriously, leaving this time 21:30 rambutan Brooke was involved in a discussion in Sept about printing ID cards from within Koha. Discussion seemed to end quickly, but somehow I want to poke that sleeping dog. 21:41 rangi rambutan: got your library card, thank you 21:41 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/8258093247/in/photostream 21:41 eythian @later tell tcohen a debconf dialogue system for configuring things on install is On My List. Patches welcome however ;) 21:41 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 21:41 rambutan good! 21:52 drojf is it possible to cherry pick for a custom tarball installation? like having a certain version like 3.8.7 in git, cherrypicking a patch or two and then roll that into the tarball? how is that packed up for installation? 21:54 jcamins drojf: yes, `git archive --format=tar --prefix=koha-drojf-3.10.01/ drojfsbranch | gzip > koha-drojf-3.10.01.tar.gz` 21:54 drojf cool, thanks 21:59 jcamins libsysguy: is libsysgut what you get when you spend too much time sitting in front of the computer working on Koha? :P 22:00 libsysguy pretty much jcamins 22:00 libsysguy and too much coffee 22:00 libsysguy the libsysgut just gets to churning 22:04 wizzyrea libsysgut? 22:06 rambutan from beer fridays? 22:06 rambutan and wine thursdays? 22:07 wizzyrea and pizza wednesdays 22:07 jcamins Pizza... 22:07 wahanui hmmm... pizza is in the oven. 22:07 rambutan what about monday and tuesday? 22:07 jcamins yesss... 22:07 jcamins However, today is saag paneer Monday. 22:08 wizzyrea saag paneer. 22:08 wizzyrea now I want that. 22:08 wizzyrea curse you. 22:09 jcamins :P 22:09 rambutan chatting w/ jcamins also requires chatting w/ google sometimes 22:09 jcamins lol 22:09 cait hehe true 22:09 jcamins I started reading Les Miserables. 22:09 jcamins I finished book 1. 22:09 jcamins And got through the first six chapters of book 2. 22:10 rambutan and in French, si? 22:10 rambutan oui? 22:10 jcamins No, I cheated and went with an English translation. 22:10 rambutan 1/2 credit then 22:10 jcamins At that point I got thoroughly sick of reading a second-by-second recounting of the Battle of Waterloo, and took a break to read... 22:10 wizzyrea something in latin 22:10 jcamins 1 book on knitting, the Yellow Wallpaper, and a book on beer brewing. 22:11 jcamins Oh! 22:11 jcamins And Metamorphosis. 22:11 wizzyrea i approve of your future beer brewing endeavours 22:11 jcamins bug 8878 22:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8878 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , koha-shell: a command to make using koha commands easier 22:12 jcamins Heh. I don't think I'll be brewing beer 22:12 jcamins I don't really drink it. 22:12 eythian http://zythophile.wordpress.com/ <-- jcamins you may also be interested in this blog 22:12 eythian oh, or you may not then. 22:12 jcamins A lot of my friends brew beer, though. 22:12 jcamins So I thought I would learn how to make a brewery ca. the turn of the last century. 22:13 eythian oh, then you will be interested in that blog. 22:13 jcamins Yes! Second picture is a scan of an ad from the nineteenth century! 22:13 * jcamins closes up. 22:13 eythian haha 23:02 dcook Good morning/some time of day, #koha 23:02 rangi hey dcook 23:03 dcook hey rangi. How's life been treating you? 23:03 rangi busy busy, but good 23:03 rangi how about you? 23:04 dcook About the same. I've finished up my MLIS course requirements, so just waiting for my marks and letter of completion. I'll be back in Oz in about 3 weeks. Time sure flies... 23:06 rangi sweet! 23:07 dcook It certainly feels good to be done grad school :) 23:10 dcook On a more Koha note, I don't suppose you've done much with using ICU with Zebra? I think I've got the main idea down, but it seems problematic if libraries have more records in more than one language :S 23:12 rangi i think talking to cait would be best 23:12 rangi she has libraries that have german and hebrew records 23:12 dcook Ooo 23:13 dcook Excellent 23:13 dcook I saw her talking a bit about it in the logs, so that's certainly an idea 23:14 dcook Thanks for the tip 23:15 rangi no worries 23:40 drojf build-git-snapshot does a lot of things. unfortunately building a deb package is not one of them 23:40 rangi hm does for me 23:41 rangi just finished building one about 20 mins ago .. where is it stopping for you? 23:43 pastebot "drojf" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "build deb package" (332 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/308 23:44 drojf with all the dependencies and dummies i don't understand what is missing in the end 23:45 rangi you are missing a few 23:45 rangi what you need to do is add debian.koha-community.org to your sources list in your pbuilder instance 23:46 rangi because a few packages have crept in that arent in squeeze 23:46 rangi (or even wheezy) 23:46 rangi so we have ahd to package them (we as in eythian) 23:46 drojf ah that makes sense 23:46 rangi what i do is 23:46 rangi sudo pbuilder --login --save-after-login 23:46 eythian the command that does it all is in the wiki 23:46 rangi and just check the sources.list and add it then logout 23:50 drojf eythian: what i did came from http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way 23:50 eythian yeah, it's actually the hard way 23:51 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages 23:51 eythian feel free to update pages as appropriate :) 23:53 drojf we have way too many ways of doing things in the wiki ;) 23:53 eythian yeah 23:54 rangi yep 23:54 rangi feel free to mark some obsolete 23:54 rangi thats what i do 23:55 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install-dep-cpan