Time  Nick           Message
22:45 jatara         :)
22:22 drojf          hm
22:19 francharb      see ya all
22:16 drojf          if you have root access that sounds alright
22:16 remi           yes
22:15 wizzyrea       (which is what I read)
22:15 wizzyrea       if you mean "I have a linux server that runs my website and I want koha to be an additional host on this machine"
22:15 remi           debian
22:15 drojf          is that a root server? what os is it running…
22:15 wizzyrea       remi: that should be possible
22:14 drojf          that is a pretty vague question
22:14 remi           bit confused
22:13 remi           can i do it?
22:12 remi           i'm thinking of installing koha on a server that's running my website
22:11 cait           hi remi
22:10 remi           hi
22:09 cait           wiggles and squirms, is evil
22:09 cait           lol
22:06 eythian        http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ede3/
21:58 cait           hi eythian :)
21:56 eythian        hi
21:11 oleonard       See you later #koha
21:03 drojf          jcamins_away: not really. but i know i should ;)
21:03 jcamins_away   drojf: did you install Koha on it yet?
21:02 drojf          one day i will have openwebOS. if they ever backport it ^^
21:01 wizzyrea       as long as you are happy
21:01 drojf          then i lose my ubuntu too
21:01 wizzyrea       j/k, your way is perfect for you
21:01 wizzyrea       ^.^
21:01 wizzyrea       or nuke webos :P
21:00 drojf          i was thinking of trying dual boot at some point, but since i only got 16gb and the chroot needs an extra partition that is not really an option. or i stuff the thing with operating systems and not use anything ;)
20:59 wizzyrea       no kidding.
20:59 drojf          it's ridiculous that HP sold them for full price in that state
20:58 wizzyrea       if you haven't used android in the last 18 months - it is not the same OS as what you would have seen 2 years ago
20:58 wizzyrea       I would not buy one of them for anything over 99
20:58 wizzyrea       oh definitely
20:58 drojf          i only got it because it was 99€. i would not have bought it for >400€
20:57 drojf          i'm not a big fan of android (not that i have much experience). webOS is obviously not complete but i can live with it
20:57 * wizzyrea     is not a fan of webos.
20:57 wizzyrea       it's tolerable with android on it ^.^
20:56 wizzyrea       my best friend has a touchpad - she put android on hers
20:56 * wizzyrea     would probably not go that route.
20:56 wizzyrea       I am glad that works for you
20:56 drojf          wizzyrea: no, webOS and a ubuntu chroot
20:56 wizzyrea       or webos
20:55 wizzyrea       but you run android on it?
20:55 drojf          cait: yes i remembered :(
20:55 wizzyrea       oh, heh
20:55 cait           drojf: I have to wait 8 hours... remember
20:55 drojf          wizzyrea: hp touchpad
20:55 wizzyrea       drojf what kind of tab do you have?
20:55 drojf          oh, charging. sorry
20:55 jcamins_away   drojf: in 7:30. :P
20:55 drojf          cait: to the test! ;)
20:55 jcamins_away   And the CCSR theme for the OPAC scales down well for much smaller devices.
20:55 wizzyrea       mine too
20:55 drojf          i'm pretty sure it does with mine :)
20:54 wizzyrea       all of koha works with tablets as far as I know
20:53 jcamins_away   oleonard: the "consultation" bit is what makes me think that the e-mail started out as perfectly fluent something-not-English.
20:53 drojf          the opac works with a tablet by default?
20:53 drojf          i have no idea wtah the question is
20:52 oleonard       "is it possible" meaning "Can someone please do this soon and free?"
20:51 jcamins_away   (the message on the list)
20:50 jcamins_away   Google Translate?
20:42 cait           where it took place... problems you ran into and that everyone took home their very own koha installation
20:42 cait           how many people attended
20:38 drojf          "we installed koha" isn't ;)
20:38 drojf          i don't know what to tell so that is actually of any interest to someone reading the newsletter
20:38 cait           hm yes
20:38 drojf          the problem is not writing in english but writing at all :D
20:37 cait           especialy the not me part is important :P
20:37 cait           do it like I do it- write something and then ask a friend to proof read (not me, a native speaker)
20:36 drojf          i think i'm done with the script and more or less the evaluation for the workshop. now if somebody could write something in english about it…
20:35 cait           nicht wirklich :)
20:35 cait           hehe
20:33 drojf          vorschusslorbeeren ;)
20:32 cait           drojf++ :)
20:30 jcamins_away   I wrote it for a non-Koha project then made it general purpose, rather than going the other way.
20:30 jcamins_away   I expect there will be a couple of bugs.
20:29 drojf          ok i'll try to have some time to play with it tomorrow
20:29 jcamins_away   It would make it easy to have user-defined record views, for example.
20:29 jcamins_away   It's a framework for future development.
20:28 jcamins_away   Yup.
20:28 drojf          how do you want that tested? just go nuts with all optionsß
20:28 jcamins_away   drojf: excellent! You should sign off. :P
20:27 drojf          oh i have seen that and i think it's pretty cool
20:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9202 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , TT plugin to allow direct display of MARC::Records
20:27 jcamins_away   magnuse: bug 9202 may be of interest to you.
20:25 drojf          ts. poser OS. :P
20:25 jcamins_away   Yes, apt-get install starman
20:25 jcamins_away   I think I just installed a Starman package.
20:25 drojf          ah. that probably helps
20:24 jcamins_away   drojf: I have it on Ubuntu 12.04.
20:24 oleonard       wizzyrea: Pretty sure it wasn't although I've never met heather. This woman seemed to have come just for the peace and quiet
20:24 drojf          jcamins_away: do you have starman running on squeeze or wheezy? i remember now why i never installed it, it wants me to build a gazillion things myself
20:23 cait           yep
20:23 wizzyrea       mac of course.
20:23 wahanui        rumour has it the bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too
20:23 jcamins_away   The bugs.
20:23 jcamins_away   Oh, right.
20:23 wizzyrea       she'd have an iphone, an ipad, and at least one laptop
20:23 jcamins_away   cait: busy doing what?
20:23 drojf          "my music is on the ipod, no idea how i would copy it over (or don't know i could)"
20:23 cait           jcamins++ # you were busy
20:23 wizzyrea       oleonard: it wasn't heather was it
20:22 oleonard       I don't know!
20:22 jatara         a touch and an iphone? why?
20:21 oleonard       The woman next to me at the conference had an iphone and an ipod touch along with her laptop and she used them all to chat and check facebook
20:21 cait           ... I certainly see that happening
20:20 drojf          if you are like me you will carry around both in the future
20:19 cait           it'a lot less heavy than my laptop - that's for sure
20:19 wizzyrea       on it's double battery
20:18 cait           I hope so :)
20:18 wizzyrea       and ages
20:18 wizzyrea       and ages
20:18 wizzyrea       ah yep and it'll last for ages
20:18 cait           looking at distance study stuff
20:18 cait           I hope to use it when travelling, typing things
20:18 wizzyrea       I use it a lot more, if that's a metric by which one judges tablet success.
20:18 cait           :)
20:18 wizzyrea       it was a nice tablet, too big for me though. Nexus is much better for me.
20:17 wizzyrea       ah yea.
20:17 cait           I wanted the keyboard
20:17 wizzyrea       sheesh
20:17 wizzyrea       traid? trade.
20:17 cait           hehe
20:17 wizzyrea       I erm, traided it for a nexus 7
20:17 cait           oh had?
20:17 cait           I heard so from several people :)
20:17 * wizzyrea     had one of those
20:17 wizzyrea       it
20:17 wizzyrea       cool, you'll like
20:17 wizzyrea       nm lol.
20:17 wizzyrea       oh
20:17 wizzyrea       cait won't tell us what she got!
20:17 cait           asus transformer
20:16 jcamins_away   lol
20:15 rangi          one user at a time
20:15 drojf          lol
20:15 rangi          it destroys the internet
20:15 rangi          thats probably the java
20:15 drojf          tcohen seems to have had a shock timeout from that dspace thing
20:14 drojf          cait: what a tablet did you get?
20:14 jcamins_away   Yes, I think so.
20:14 jcamins_away   However, I have good news! There are patches to test while it's charging!
20:14 cait           jcamins_away: did she manage to wait?
20:13 drojf          can't you use it while it charges?
20:13 jcamins_away   cait: yes, Shari was very unhappy about that too.
20:13 cait           I have to charge it for 8 hours before first use.
20:13 cait           hmpf.
20:12 jcamins_away   lol
20:12 drojf          and an automatical spam rebaser
20:11 drojf          rangi: ah, ok. some sophisticated patch spamming would be interesting ;)
20:10 rangi          tcohen: what happened with dspace, they threw the patch on the floor?
20:10 rangi          drojf: it was just a piece of html, wasnt a patch just wanted ppl to see it
20:09 oleonard       It's being set right there.
20:08 jatara         because that's where it's going awry
20:08 jatara         Thanks so much! Just need to find out where $flagsrequired is being set
20:08 drojf          the way it works at DSpace i mean
20:08 drojf          tcohen: that bad?
20:08 oleonard       I don't know that that is where the problem is, but it's an example of permissions being defined
20:07 oleonard       jatara: That link is for you
20:07 pastebot       "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Example from guided_reports.pl" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/301
20:06 jcamins_away   My guess is reports/guided_reports.pl has some bug in it.
20:06 huginn         jatara: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
20:06 jatara         @jcamins_away i'm thinking that as well
20:06 jatara         off-topic by the way, why do the commercials say "kills bug dead"? isnt' that rather redundant?
20:05 jcamins_away   jatara: I expect the problem is going to be in the reports/ scripts.
20:05 tcohen         guys, i've sent a patch to DSpace, i can now say I LOVE the way the Koha team works
20:05 jatara         thanks for not breaking out the RAID on me :)
20:05 drojf          :)
20:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9220 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unchecking "create SQL reports" prevents staff member from being able to run reports
20:05 drojf          jatara: i did not mean you .)
20:05 oleonard       Bug 9220?
20:04 jcamins_away   jatara: no, there was a spam bug earlier today. :)
20:04 jcamins_away   jatara: permissions-related code is all over.
20:04 jatara         not a spambug..just a computer geek who is trying to see if i can isolate the source of a bug i filed yesterday 9220
20:04 drojf          maybe some cool functionality!
20:04 oleonard       I don't know drojf, rangi deleted a spam attachment but I didn't see what it was
20:03 * drojf        will not sign off on a spambug
20:03 drojf          oleonard: really? what is the goal of that? make us accidentally push it into koha? :D
20:03 oleonard       What are you trying to do/understand jatara?
20:02 jatara         Hi...which files/directories within Koha deal with permissions for staff users?
20:02 oleonard       Seriously, spam on Bugzilla? Yuck.
20:00 drojf          cait: run a virtual machine with debian on it :P
19:58 cait           wizzyrea: it's cute and tiny :)
19:49 wizzyrea       that will work fine
19:48 cait           tablet
19:48 cait           the plan is to install koha on a server sometime soon and access that from the tables
19:48 jcamins_away   True.
19:48 cait           I might better spend this time on qa and other things :)
19:48 wizzyrea       I'm sure it could be done but...
19:48 jcamins_away   cait: it will after you've made it work!
19:48 cait           well...... quite sure it does not probably
19:48 wizzyrea       lol.
19:48 wizzyrea       this seems - impractical
19:48 cait           not sure koh aworks on android
19:48 jcamins_away   cait: so tonight you're going to install Koha on it? :)
19:47 wizzyrea       ! what kind did you get?
19:47 cait           my tablet arrived *squeee*
19:47 * wizzyrea     waves
19:47 cait           hi jcamins_away and rangi :)
19:47 * jcamins_away waves from the distance.
19:46 rangi          hi cait
19:46 cait           hi #koha
19:36 smeagol        thx
19:30 smeagol        ok..i'll call Zed..we have to protect the galaxy...
19:29 jcamins_away   Nope. Just a bug.
19:28 smeagol        I thought that it was something I was doing wrong during the install..
19:28 smeagol        ok. will do.
19:27 jcamins_away   The first step no matter what, of course, is to report a bug on bugs.koha-community.org. :)
19:27 smeagol        ok..i think i got you now. I'll get back to you.
19:26 jcamins_away   Earlier oleonard indicated there is an extra space after "closed" but before a backtick in installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql.
19:26 smeagol        Yes, apparently
19:26 jcamins_away   Your best course of action is to fix this new bug, install Koha, and submit the patch for it.
19:25 jcamins_away   So the reason you can't install Koha is because you have discovered a new bug.
19:25 jcamins_away   Okay, good. I understood correctly.
19:25 smeagol        Install koha git dev on my server here, create a branch, hack away, and submit code to the community, hopefully..if all goes well!
19:24 jcamins_away   (the instructions will change drastically if I have misunderstood and your goal is not to write code to contribute to Koha)
19:22 wahanui        "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
19:22 jcamins_away   first question?
19:22 jcamins_away   Actually, let's start over.
19:22 jcamins_away   Which you just discovered.
19:22 jcamins_away   It's a bug.
19:22 jcamins_away   It's not in the install notes.
19:22 smeagol        ok..i'll look into that. Haven't really seen that in install notes. thanks
19:22 jcamins_away   Checking out an older version and then upgrading would be extra work, and removing that space is a patch that will make it into Koha very quickly, so you can have a commit to your name next week. :)
19:18 jcamins_away   Then you can install Koha.
19:18 jcamins_away   So the first thing you have to do is remove that space.
19:18 tcohen         its the only way to get it polished i guess
19:18 jcamins_away   (answer: yes)
19:18 jcamins_away   smeagol: in order to install Koha you need to remove the extra space from the kohastructure.sql file, right?
19:18 jcamins_away   I am comfortable with including it, even if it's not going to be generally used yet.
19:18 tcohen         :-D
19:18 jcamins_away   :)
19:17 jcamins_away   tcohen: I was going to push it.
19:17 oleonard       tcohen: Get to it when he can, I'm guessing?
19:17 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
19:17 jcamins_away   bug 8519
19:16 tcohen         RM jcamins_away sir, what will u do about 8519?
19:16 smeagol        Well, I'm just trying to INSTALL koha, at this point on my server. I don't know how it's "removing" a space..
19:15 jcamins_away   And if it worked, you submit a patch removign the space.
19:15 jcamins_away   Then you go through the installer.
19:15 jcamins_away   Yeah, so the first thing you do is remove the space.
19:15 smeagol        Right. But this happened when i tried to run the installer:8080
19:14 jcamins_away   Right, so if you want to submit code, you must track master.
19:14 smeagol        I haven't submitted a patch yet
19:13 rangi          your first patch could be removing that space :)
19:13 smeagol        This is just for development purposes
19:13 rangi          if you want to develop, then master is fine
19:13 rangi          if you want to use koha, you should run from the releases
19:13 smeagol        Not too familiar with git yet
19:13 rangi          you should contribute code based on master
19:13 smeagol        I guess I have to state what version I want to track/install?
19:12 smeagol        Actually, no I wanted to install stable (i guess) so i can create a branch and contribute code
19:04 rangi          right, so you are running master .. (the pre release code) this is in dev right eh, just for developing/testing ?
19:03 smeagol        i did git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone
19:02 rangi          either way, id file a bug
18:58 * rangi        was worried we had released something like that ... phew
18:58 rangi          smeagol: are you trying to install master ? from git?
18:57 rangi          yeah its fine in 3.10.x and 3.8.x
18:57 rangi          right
18:57 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8782 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a feature to close a subscription
18:57 oleonard       Yes. I was looking at gitweb, it's in the patch for Bug 8782
18:56 rangi          oleonard: where did you see the space  .. in master?
18:56 rangi          hmm no file seems ok there
18:53 trea           i'll say
18:53 rangi          hiya tcohen
18:53 rangi          hey trea, nicer weather today eh?
18:53 rangi          smeagol: is it 3.10.0 ?
18:51 tcohen         s/rn/orn/
18:48 tcohen         mrning rangi
18:45 smeagol        Um..should i wait, or try to install a diff version?.and thanks for yor response
18:40 rangi          That could break it too
18:39 rangi          Hmm yes
18:39 oleonard       Could a space cause that problem? I see  "`closed `"
18:36 rangi          Is=I'd
18:36 rangi          I'm on my phone or is try
18:35 rangi          And put backticks around the word closed that might fix it
18:35 rangi          And see if you can find the column closed
18:34 rangi          Can you look in kohastructure.sql please
18:33 rangi          I done warned them :)
18:33 rangi          Looks like some zealous person removed the back ticks on a mysql file
18:31 smeagol        ERROR 1166 (42000) at line 1871: Incorrect column name 'closed, anyone ever see this on an install?
18:25 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 07, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady).
18:25 rangi          @wunder nzwn
18:24 wahanui        oleonard is not really here.  He said so.  He did!
18:24 rangi          Hey oleonard
18:23 oleonard       Hi rangi
18:16 rangi          I use virt-manager and kvm (fwiw)
18:16 wahanui        Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:16 rangi          Morning
17:57 rambutan       yep
17:56 drojf          yup and it has what you need to run koha in that version
17:56 rambutan       quote: "The VirtualBox sources are available free of charge under the terms and conditions of the GNU General Public License, Version 2."
17:55 rambutan       However, you can build the GPLv2 from sources...  https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
17:55 drojf          Since version 4.0   The PUEL/OSE separation was given up in favor of an open source base  product and a closed source extension pack that can be installed on top  of the base product. As part of this change, additional components of  VirtualBox were made open source (installers, documentation, device  drivers)
17:55 rambutan       you may be right, I don't see the OSE now.
17:52 drojf          i don't think they have this classification anymore, the free one has just less functionality now and you need nonfree extras for some things
17:51 rambutan       OSE=open source edition
17:51 rambutan       and there is an Deb-approved version of OSE VirtualBox, if you can get it to work
17:50 rambutan       ah, not praise exactly, more like discussion of functional features
17:50 gerundio       thankfully Koha's IRC users are very active
17:49 drojf          i was just confused entering into a praise for proprietary software
17:49 drojf          gerundio: without off topic talk there would be a lot of silence around here :P
17:48 rambutan       and the VM discussion is related to Koha....
17:48 rambutan       gerundio: depends on the active chatters at the time.  :)
17:47 rambutan       I've acknowledged those issues above.
17:47 gerundio       drojf, aren't off topics welcomed?
17:46 rambutan       IMHO, of course. Ack the above positive comments about Xen and KVM, of course
17:46 drojf          did i come into the right channel? what is all the nonfree software joy about?
17:46 rambutan       VBox
17:45 gerundio       rambutan, thanks for your input... my question was more regading for an at home small personal environment
17:45 rambutan       Coffee cups are important.
17:44 rambutan       I understand they give out pretty cool freebies, like coffee cups, if you buy into their systems.
17:43 rambutan       I've used their free VMware server in the past, and it worked well but eventually we just found VBox to be a good workable solution for our needs. But when we grow up, and have to manage 700 VMs around the world, we'll be using VMware.
17:42 rambutan       VMware is what you really have to have if you want to play in the big leagues--if you need to move massive running VM's from servers in Canada to servers in Singapore with just a drag and drop, you have to have VMware.
17:41 * jcamins      heads into the city.
17:40 rambutan       disks are cheap--solid state drives of 250GB are relatively inexpensive and would be sufficient for smaller databases, but you could plus it up as needed.
17:35 gerundio       btw, what's your take on VMWare vs Virtualbox?
17:32 jcamins        Sorry folks, the fifty e-mail messages are all my fault.
17:31 gerundio       how about the disk size for this kind of setup?
17:28 rambutan       appliance = hardware and preloaded OS + Koha
17:28 rambutan       I think there's a potentially good market for vendors to sell a prebuilt appliance. Wouldn't be hard to put a decent machine together.
17:26 jcamins        There isn't a 3.10 appliance yet, though.
17:26 jcamins        No, it's just on sourceforge.
17:25 gerundio       :p
17:25 gerundio       with mandatory user registration to be able to download
17:25 gerundio       I think they've stored it deep in the forum somewhere
17:25 jcamins        rambutan: yeah, Kyle has been releasing one every release.
17:24 gerundio       http://www.koha.pt/
17:24 rambutan       ah
17:24 gerundio       Portuguese
17:24 gerundio       they talked about a VM being made available for the users
17:24 rambutan       PT?
17:24 gerundio       rambutan, I was at an event of the Koha PT community last week
17:24 tcohen         (and maintained by them)
17:24 tcohen         I prefer KVM as the hypervisor is inside the official kernel
17:23 rambutan       at one point somebody was doing a Koha VM. Wonder if that's still available?
17:23 tcohen         Xen support paravirtualization, which is nice in some scenarios
17:23 rambutan       yep, that too
17:22 tcohen         KVM is good too
17:22 rambutan       yea, Xen is good.
17:21 rambutan       <obligatory acknowledgment on philosophical issues in dealing with proprietary vendors>
17:21 jcamins        Yeah, that's what I'd use for production.
17:21 gerundio       I think our virtualization is based on Xen
17:20 jcamins        I've been using Vagrant on FreeBSD. It's pretty nice.
17:19 rambutan       BTW, as a separate plug for VirtualBox I've found it remarkably easy and reliable to do basic virtualization with on LInux (caveat: use the official download from Oracle, not the OSE deb packages).
17:15 rambutan       although most of my base hardware is pretty decent--multi-core or multi-processor CPUs and 4-8GB of memory.
17:14 rambutan       ic. If you can you might try bumping the memory allocated to the VM in the manager to 2GB, but using Virtual Box on Linux I've found pretty decent productivity with just 1 GB,
17:11 gerundio       not the whole vm manager
17:11 gerundio       I meant 4GB for the koha server
17:11 gerundio       ..oO(I'm not the best person to answer this to you :p)
17:11 gerundio       all our servers are virtualized
17:10 rambutan       gerundio, you're using a virtual machine? Is it the host machine that only has 1GB, or is only 1GB allocated in your VM manager>
17:04 gerundio       hopefully they won't mind to spend 4 GB for this VM :D
17:04 oleonard       That's nice to hear :)
17:03 gerundio       I'm backed up by a good IT team
17:03 gerundio       I have enough
17:03 jcamins        when it's necessary, it's desperately necessary, yesterday.
17:02 jcamins        It's probably not necessary, but...
17:02 jcamins        If you have enough, I'd go with 4.
17:02 gerundio       lolol
17:02 jcamins        lol
17:02 wahanui        6
17:02 gerundio       2 or 4?
17:01 jcamins        1GB is definitely not enough.
17:01 gerundio       not really sure at this moment
17:01 gerundio       users might go up to 5k maybe
17:00 gerundio       60k records at the moment
17:00 gerundio       no reason in particular... just a feeling :D
17:00 jcamins        How many records/users do you have?
17:00 gerundio       but I feel like it's not enough
17:00 gerundio       I have 1GB at the moment
16:58 jcamins        gerundio: not less than 1GB.
16:57 smeagol        Hi all...tryin' to do a dev git install and get error from installer that says, "ERROR 1166 (42000) at line 1871: Incorrect column name 'closed '" Not sure why i'm getting this mysql error, anyone?
16:57 francharb`     ;)
16:57 francharb`     sorry for the annoyance
16:57 francharb`     perfect!
16:57 francharb`     I just answered myself
16:57 francharb`     great
16:57 francharb`     but the notices.pl didnt mention any limit when using the function
16:56 francharb`     C4::Letters::GetQueuedMessages says you can put a limit on how many notices will be return by the fonction
16:55 francharb`     apparently, there is no limit to the number of notices displayed
16:53 gerundio       jcamins, what would you consider to be a good memory value to set for a Koha production environment?
16:52 francharb`     can a patron see the notice he got 5 years ago?
16:51 francharb`     but are all notices display without  limit?
16:50 francharb`     I guess it depends on the mysql message queue table
16:50 kf             bye all
16:49 francharb`     on the borrower account?
16:49 francharb`     within the notices tab
16:49 francharb`     are display
16:49 francharb`     how many notices
16:49 francharb`     I just checked the documentation but just a part of answer
16:48 francharb`     just a little question
16:48 francharb`     hey there!
16:48 gerundio       this seems to be the closest I found: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Preparing_your_system
16:39 gerundio       :|
16:38 jcamins        Well, wahanui isn't locked up, so I guess it doesn't have anything about system requirements.
16:38 wahanui        jcamins: bugger all, i dunno
16:38 jcamins        wahanui: are you there?
16:38 jcamins        I thought it was system requirements.
16:38 jcamins        hardware requirements?
16:37 gerundio       system requirements?
16:37 gerundio       requirements?
16:03 reiveune       bye
15:47 gaetan_B       bye !
15:38 jcamins        He is.
15:38 kf             he is so clever
15:37 jcamins        Myshkin just figured out how to use my external keyboard to change the brightness of my laptop screen.
15:34 gmcharlt       cool
15:33 slef           that should be enough
15:33 slef           nm I see that we can
15:31 slef           gmcharlt: can we see the biog when reviewing the moderation queue?
15:30 slef           gmcharlt: I think not. After all, what is "real" anyway?
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8240 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is dead code in orderreceive.tt
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9167 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The sort field copyrightdate is not standardized
15:09 jenkins_koha   * jonathan.druart: Bug 8240: Remove dead code from orderreceive
15:09 jenkins_koha   * jonathan.druart: Bug 9167: Standardize the sort field copyrightdate for lists
15:09 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #968: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/968/
15:02 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @Tredok: "terrible comme je peux très vite oublier les choses qd je pratique pas ^^ #sql #kohails"
14:53 gmcharlt       easily removed, of course, but I suppose that raises a question to consider: requiriing "real names"?
14:53 gmcharlt       I turned those off for the initial deployment, but what you're seeing is a bit of leftover
14:53 gmcharlt       slef: the ConfirmAccount extension has flags to enable requiring "Real Names"
14:39 HB             lol :)
14:39 drojf          what jcamins says about nullmailer. it never worked for me.
14:37 HB             i start reading firrst
14:37 HB             ill try postfix
14:37 HB             if you cant how will i ever do it :)
14:36 jcamins        Everyone says that nullmailer is super-easy, but I've never managed to configure it.
14:36 jcamins        ^^ that first one is the guide I used.
14:36 wahanui        postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
14:36 jcamins        postfix?
14:36 jcamins        I recommend postfix.
14:36 * jcamins      hates nullmailer.
14:36 jcamins        Get rid of nullmailer.
14:34 HB             ok i try my other problem the people from the it department gave me an ip adress for the mail server but i did put it in the nullmailer conf file but still cant mail is there something i can do or read about that
14:31 HB             learning stuff here :)
14:31 jcamins        That looks right. :)
14:31 HB             thx its done http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/done.jpg
14:28 kf             jcamins++ :)
14:18 jcamins        HB: you can just add "lib" at the beginning, replace '::' with '-' and add '-perl' at the end to get the package names.
14:17 huginn         slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 48 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> wizzyrea: I've tried something that *might* increase the timeout for you to 24 hours -- please let me know if you see any change
14:17 slef           @seen gmcharlt
14:17 huginn         slef: The operation succeeded.
14:17 slef           @later tell gmcharlt the reg form says "I have read and agree to abide by the Terms of Service of Koha Wiki. The name I have specified under "Real name" is in fact my own real name."  Either we need to add "Real name" or rephrase that.
14:16 magnuse        jcamins++ for no backlog
14:10 HB             is there a list of the dependensie names somewhere so i can install the other ?
14:09 HB             :)
14:09 HB             did help
14:04 HB             ok i gonna try that thx for the advice
14:03 jcamins        However, I'd encourage you to install all of them.
14:03 HB             the red ones are bad probably :)
14:03 jcamins        Okay, Text::CSV::Encoded is the only one that you definitely need.
14:03 HB             there it is
14:03 HB             http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/missing.jpg
14:02 jcamins        Yay, no backlog in the "Passed QA" queue!
14:00 jcamins        If you look in the About page in the staff client, you can see what else you need.
14:00 jcamins        If you're missing that package, there's a good chance that you're missing others as well.
14:00 HB             or monday :OP
14:00 HB             gonna install 3.10 tomorrow
14:00 HB             3.81
14:00 jcamins        What version of Koha, out of curiosity?
13:59 HB             ok ill try
13:59 jcamins        Yeah, that command will work fine for you then.
13:59 jenkins_koha   Starting build #968 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #966 2 days 0 hr ago)
13:59 HB             ubuntu
13:59 jcamins        If you're on a Debian or Ubuntu system, you should install it using `sudo apt-get install libtext-csv-encoded-perl`
13:58 jcamins        In this case, Text::CSV::Encoded.
13:58 jcamins        It looks like you're missing some of Koha's dependencies.
13:58 HB             annyone ever had this http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/ris%20error.jpg i get is if i want to download a ris file or just do a download of a list
13:57 jcamins        Good morning, HB.
13:57 HB             hey Koha
13:56 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8240: Remove dead code from orderreceive <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0126eb3fb5cf68adade91f78c78cc3aff3a4597f> / Bug 9167: Standardize the sort field copyrightdate for lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7af1288b63882a5835382c9951f62271f9b6f23d>
13:45 drojf          i have all pop-ups open in a new tab. that is why i don't like them. but i dislike them even more if they pop up
13:41 jcamins        All other issues aside, it keeps on running afoul of my pop-up blocker.
13:40 kf             jcamins: I agreewith you :)
13:40 drojf          jcamins: not a big fan of popups in general, the situation you describe sounds like it's superflous. but can't try it at the moment
13:31 jcamins        Am I the only one who feels that way?
13:30 jcamins        You know what I would like? I would like the "Add to list" dropdown on the OPAC to not open a pop-up if you're selected a specific list to add the items to.
13:13 drojf          which could be a regular mail address of course :)
13:13 kf             yeah, so I think it was a real person :)
13:12 drojf          i thought there were a lot of garbage-y things like shfsklhfsk@something.tld when i looked at the list once
13:12 kf             we will find out
13:12 kf             not sure
13:10 drojf          real-sounding
13:09 drojf          do the spam accounts have real names?
13:09 kf             I googled and it seems there is a person with the name at least... so hopefully
13:08 drojf          kf: i was wondering how you do that
12:59 * kf           opts for yes
12:58 kf             hm I have no idea if the new person requesting a wiki account is real or not
12:51 drojf          hi kf
12:51 kf             hi drojf
12:28 kf             all attached sub bugs are resolved
12:27 slef           ASSIGNED enhancement probably means not in 3.10, right?
12:23 kf             oleonard will know :)
12:21 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI
12:21 kf             bug 5481
12:21 * slef         hands huginn to kf
12:21 kf             looking for the yui bug rightnow
12:21 kf             hm sure, I haven#t checked
12:21 slef           true, but I think 3.10 includes them all already
12:20 kf             but we would have a lot more files than we actually need
12:20 slef           the css grid is in libjs-yui too AFAICT
12:19 kf             not the js I think
12:19 kf             the css grid
12:19 slef           kf: it'll be with us for 3.10, right?
12:19 kf             slef: I think we are almost done with phasing out the YUI js libraries
12:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9052 blocker, P5 - low, ---, robin, In Discussion , YUI assets installed in the wrong place by packages
12:18 slef           nudged bug 9052 - should we switch to libjs-yui?
10:22 francharb`     ;)
10:22 francharb`     0/ drojf
10:22 francharb`     oups
10:22 francharb`     0 /
10:22 drojf          :)
10:22 drojf          hi francharb` :9
10:18 francharb`     hello all
10:17 drojf          good night rangi
10:15 * rangi        heads to sleep
10:11 drojf          [off] it took long enough to get packages working for them :P
10:11 rangi          nope :)
10:11 drojf          i am not going to recommend that ;)
10:10 rangi          ie, you cant do it just from pacakges
10:10 rangi          you can run it from packages you just have to install all the moose related modules from CPAN
10:09 drojf          just that i cannot build the index atm :D
10:09 drojf          i, of course, will… :) but only for fun. the indexing field interface is very promising
10:08 drojf          so no solr for the library that asked me. i hope they are not crazy enough to run it from git
10:07 drojf          thanks
10:07 rangi          release
10:07 rangi          when that green line gets to the bottom
10:07 rangi          http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
10:06 drojf          ah it's frozen june 2012. what does that mean for ETA? june 2013?
10:06 rangi          it only started in march 2011
10:05 rangi          nope
10:05 drojf          it's debian. so in 10 years? :P
10:04 rangi          when it's released :)
10:04 drojf          wee need a wheezy repo then ;)
10:03 magnuse        drojf: yeah, it's been cold for a long time, but no snow!
10:02 rangi          unless you install moose from cpan rather than packages ... hence you cant use the packages
10:02 rangi          nope you cant use the solr stuff on squeeze
10:01 drojf          is it possible at all to use solr with 3.10 from packages? on squeeze i had to build a lot of packages manually to get about.pl/perl module happy but it still isn't working. i tried building moose (not sure if i have to) but gave up somewhen. if i'd upgrade to wheezy, koha-common and other stuff from the koha repo would be deinstalled.
09:58 drojf          magnuse: didn't you have 10° or 15° like a week ago or two?
09:32 magnuse        you'd have to get up to 3-400 meters above sea level to find some old patches of snow here...
09:30 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0°C (10:20 AM CET on December 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
09:30 magnuse        @wunder boo
09:15 slef           snow on the ground here, too
09:15 huginn         slef: The current temperature in Holbeach, United Kingdom is -1.0°C (8:50 AM GMT on December 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
09:15 slef           @wunder Holbeach
09:15 huginn         slef: Error: No such location could be found.
09:15 slef           @wunder Leverington
09:14 huginn         slef: I suck
09:14 slef           huginn: you suck ;)
09:14 huginn         slef: Error: No such location could be found.
09:14 slef           @wunder egfd
09:14 huginn         slef: Error: No such location could be found.
09:14 slef           @wunder egyh
09:12 wahanui        hi, gaetan_B
09:12 gaetan_B       hello
09:12 huginn         slef: Error: No such location could be found.
09:12 slef           @wunder egfc
09:11 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on December 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
09:11 rangi          @wunder nzwn
09:10 huginn         drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.4°C (9:43 AM CET on December 06, 2012). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
09:10 drojf          @wunder berlin, germany
09:08 drojf          hi rangi :)
09:08 drojf          magnuse: you realized that now? :D
09:08 rangi          hi drojf
09:08 drojf          and a very snowy morning too
09:08 drojf          good morning #koha
08:40 magnuse        wow, MARC is crazy
08:32 kf             good morning #koha
08:00 julian_m       bonjour
07:41 wahanui        bonjour, reiveune
07:41 reiveune       hello
07:40 alex_a_        hello
07:33 rangi          cool :)
07:31 magnuse        rangi: thanks for nudging me in the direction of dancer - i like!
07:29 magnuse        kia ora rangi
07:23 cait           hi rangi and magnuse
07:22 rangi          evening
07:20 magnuse        hiya cait and #koha
07:00 cait           hello #koha
06:51 * magnuse      waves
06:13 francharb      hello #koha
04:32 rambutan       and I'll be back in the morning too...time for my sleep quantum
04:18 rangi          :)
04:17 eythian        then again, they may be saving that for tomorrow morning.
04:17 mtj            awesome news
04:16 eythian        well, I haven't seen them access their staff client just yet :)
04:16 rangi          As of a few mins ago :)
04:16 rangi          From NIWA who are koha users
04:15 rangi          http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC1212/S00013/tornadoes-how-frequently-do-they-hit-new-zealand.htm
04:15 eythian        yep
04:14 mtj            … you know you've chosen the wrong license, when its creator tells you not to use it, for that specific purpose
04:12 mtj            wow, from the horses mouth
04:12 mtj            'We recommend considering licenses made available by the Free Software Foundation or listed at the Open Source Initiative. Unlike our licenses, which do not make mention of source or object code, these existing licenses were designed specifically for use with software. Furthermore, our licenses are not compatible with the GPL, the most frequently used free software license.'
04:11 mtj            We do not recommend it. '
04:11 mtj            'Can I apply a Creative Commons license to software?
04:11 mtj            ahh, they do -> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_use_a_Creative_Commons_license_for_software.3F
04:11 eythian        yeah, I heard about that
04:11 rambutan       e
04:11 rambutan       http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/890738-264/20_percent_of_joplin_public.html.csp   <- very destructive tornado about 340km from her
04:11 eythian        I'd expect them to point to the FSF.
04:10 mtj            http://creativecommons.org/software
04:10 mtj            hmm, do cc.org recommend using other licenses for software, rather than cc.org ones?
04:09 eythian        We probably get them in Wellington but nobody notices.
04:09 eythian        yeah, most of ours aren't damaging.
04:08 rambutan       still, 7 or so every half century? That's pretty rare.
04:07 eythian        keeping in mind that this is just the reasonably significant ones
04:07 eythian        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southern_Hemisphere_tornadoes_and_tornado_outbreaks#New_Zealand <-- I'm not convinced this is a statistically significant change
04:06 user00         ic. Well tornados are common around here, including associated deaths and property damage. Hope that doesn't become the case there.
04:06 ibeardslee     ok .. maybe I've just noticed them on the news more often
04:04 eythian        (well, notable damage)
04:04 eythian        only every few years do they cause damage
04:04 eythian        auckland typically gets a couple per year
04:03 eythian        but there have been a few more in the past couple of years
04:03 eythian        we've always had them
04:03 ibeardslee     not common at all ... but we do seem to be seeing more of them .. a sign of global warming?
04:02 user00         news reported a tornado, indicated tornados aren't very common in NZ
04:01 eythian        3 people dead sort of bad weather, yeah
04:01 user00         rangi: bit of bad weather around auckland?
03:33 * eythian      just used BibTeX to do it all
03:32 jcamins        [off] Heaven preserve of us from the citations of non-bibliographers.
03:31 jcamins        Three and a half hours to prepare a bibliography just over three pages.
03:28 rangi          exactly
03:27 eythian        I mean, do ads on your blog count as commercial?
03:27 eythian        though it's still vague
03:27 eythian        if you want people to show it and not sell it, yeah
03:25 rangi          NC makes sense for a photograph ... maybe ... but not really even then
03:20 rangi          it precludes your right to use
03:20 mtj            wow, nice example
03:20 rangi          it doesnt just preclude your right to distribute
03:20 rangi          if it was under a NC license they couldnt
03:19 rangi          if opus a for profit company uses koha, for commercial use
03:19 mtj            lol, so true
03:19 rangi          grey areas are what lawyers live for
03:19 jcamins        rangi: that's arguably grayer than my (personal) right to sell Koha.
03:18 rangi          not for profit != non commercial
03:18 rangi          including public libraries
03:18 rangi          and lots of libraries are commercial enterprises
03:18 rangi          it protects the rights of libraries to use koha
03:17 jcamins        The GPL protects my right to sell Koha, provided that I give my clients the source code.
03:17 jcamins        Koha is GPLed.
03:17 jcamins        Most definitely not.
03:17 jcamins        No.
03:16 rangi          no
03:16 mtj            stupid Q but… is Koha non-commerical use?
03:16 rangi          mo money mo money
03:16 rangi          lawyers love that
03:16 eythian        oh yeah, there've been lots of surveys to try to pin down what that really means
03:15 mtj            ^^ something i've always been confused about too
03:14 mtj            That Blurry Line Between Commercial & Non-Commercial Use Still Troubling For Creative Commons
03:14 mtj            http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090602/2322205106.shtml
03:11 wizzyrea       h
03:11 wizzyrea       huzza
03:10 jcamins        Yay!
02:57 rangi          first user moderated
02:57 rangi          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
02:57 jcamins        Hehe.
02:57 eythian        there, problem solved
02:57 eythian        Query OK, 139583 rows affected (3.11 sec)
02:57 eythian        delete from biblio where biblionumber<139615;
02:56 eythian        I did clear items twice, to be sure, apparently.
02:55 eythian        bother
02:55 eythian        yes
02:55 eythian        hmm
02:55 eythian        ah
02:54 jcamins        Did you possibly clear out biblioitems but not biblio?
02:54 eythian        no, no options at all
02:53 jcamins        Oh, I meant --bib-limit
02:53 eythian        so now it's going happily
02:53 eythian        my numbers start around that mark
02:53 eythian        ... processed 139600 records
02:53 eythian        Could not retrieve bib 139614 from the database - record is corrupt.
02:53 eythian        Could not retrieve bib 139611 from the database - record is corrupt.
02:53 eythian        no
02:53 jcamins        eythian: are you using --where='biblionumber > 5432'?
02:52 eythian        yes
02:52 eythian        SELECT biblionumber FROM biblio $bib_where ORDER BY biblionumber ASC
02:52 mtj            the SQL is selecting on a bibnumber, even?
02:51 eythian        but I can't see why it would do that.
02:51 eythian        there is something odd about link_bibs_to_authorities, it seems to be starting from bibnumber 1, even when my bib number range starts much higher than that.
02:45 jcamins        [off] I'm not saying it wasn't a mistake, just that if you ignore all the warnings you're probably not going to be selective about the ignoring.
02:44 mtj            there is a small possibility it was a genuine mistake :)
02:42 jcamins        [off] Because the big clear sign that says "Don't use CC for licensing source code" isn't big or clear?
02:42 mtj            … they might not be aware of the incompatibility between CC and GPL?
02:39 rangi          yup
02:39 mtj            well… i reckon its a point worth noting, for all...
02:39 jcamins        lol
02:38 rangi          mtj: stirrer :)
02:34 trea           ah, the good ol' days
02:34 druthb         cut an extra write-protect notch, and you're good to go.
02:34 * druthb       had a C64 that could only read SDs...flip the disk to save moolah.
02:34 wizzyrea       there you have it :)
02:34 * druthb       remembers those.  320 for SD, 640 for DD (flip 'em over!), and 1.2 MB for HD.
02:33 eythian        I think it was 320 per side
02:33 eythian        *740 maybe
02:33 eythian        1.2MB for the HD, 320K for the DD, or something along those lines
02:33 wizzyrea       or was that 3.5 in
02:33 eythian        depends
02:33 wizzyrea       what they had... 1.4 MB on each one?
02:32 eythian        (June '91 specifically)
02:31 trea           indeed
02:31 eythian        well, they were the standard disk size around that time
02:29 wizzyrea       5 1/4in I guess
02:27 * jcamins      got to the graphical shell bit.
02:27 jcamins        Oh... my.
02:26 wizzyrea       also, it comes on 5in floppies
02:26 wizzyrea       I know you wanted to know about that.
02:26 jcamins        Oh my.
02:26 wizzyrea       oh you missed them rapping about a graphical shell
02:26 eythian        heh
02:26 trea           i got 1:19 in before my ears started bleeding
02:25 wizzyrea       at LEAST
02:25 wizzyrea       45k of memory!
02:25 wizzyrea       that's alarming.
02:24 trea           oh dear
02:23 wizzyrea       ...oh no
02:23 eythian        http://youtu.be/dmEvPZUdAVI <-- Microsoft MS-DOS 5 upgrade training
01:32 wizzyrea       oh bless you
01:28 gmcharlt       wizzyrea: I've tried something that *might* increase the timeout for you to 24 hours -- please let me know if you see any change
01:12 rangi          just that we get the info from persona, not a cert
01:12 eythian        ah OK
01:12 rangi          matching a user with an email
01:11 rangi          its actually quite similair to the PKI stuffs
01:11 eythian        cool
01:11 rangi          i did it at kohacon
01:11 rangi          its about half done
01:11 rangi          i gotta finish my implementation for koha
01:10 eythian        http://identity.mozilla.com/post/32395255498/announcing-the-first-beta-release-of-persona <-- a bit over a month ago
01:10 wizzyrea       i admit that I didn't look >.<
01:10 wizzyrea       ... maybe it's a stupid setting I have in my account
01:09 eythian        we should use that.
01:09 eythian        oh hey, it pretty much is a thing now
01:07 * eythian      wishes browserid was a thing yet.
01:07 eythian        weird. Well I've just switched to openid, so I'll keep an eye on it. I don't expect that to make a difference though.
01:06 wizzyrea       man mine kicks me out after like 20 mintues or something
00:55 * eythian      invalidates his session
00:55 eythian        hmm
00:55 eythian        err that looks ugly
00:55 eythian        wiki.koha-community.orgsession/wikidb_sessionc4d9d98b4c80d38dcdf5ea695972fe91
00:53 eythian        maybe it's a session cookie?
00:53 eythian        openid shouldn't matter, I'd expect it to be the cookie time.
00:53 wizzyrea       excpet when it's not
00:53 wizzyrea       sso seems like such a good idea
00:53 wizzyrea       but really it mostly annoys me.
00:53 * wizzyrea     was trying to be fancy pants and use openid
00:52 wizzyrea       hmmmm
00:52 gmcharlt       yeah
00:52 rangi          sounds likely
00:52 wizzyrea       it must be something to do with openid then?
00:52 rangi          cos i dont
00:52 rangi          do you use openid wizzyrea ?
00:52 wizzyrea       bless you kind sir
00:52 rangi          my login doesnt kick me out for days
00:52 gmcharlt       wizzyrea: yes; I'll look into it
00:51 wizzyrea       (and is there a reason not to do that since we are approving users)
00:51 wizzyrea       gmcharlt - is there any way to up the amount of time you get before the wiki kicks you out and makes you relogin?
00:50 jcamins        gmcharlt++