Time  Nick          Message
00:09 jcamins       melia++ # *that* is a testing report
00:09 melia         thanks! :)
00:11 wizzyrea      :) melia is quite good at that
00:11 drojf         ah yes i did not do the translation update because the server did not work for me. now that i saw how slow it is i remembered ;)
00:11 drojf         but it looks ok now
00:12 drojf         (my koha, the server is still very slow)
00:19 melia         hey jcamins I just saw your note about changing the email address. thanks! I hadn't even noticed that it was wrong.
00:20 jcamins       melia: yeah, I kept on noticing after I'd merged the patches you signed off on into master, so I figured I'd point it out to you so you could fix it. :)
00:20 melia         done!  let me go find another one to sign off and make sure it's right now
00:29 jcamins       Wait, there was a new livecd released?
00:29 jcamins       Guess someone needs need to tell Vimal to post on k-c.org.
00:37 drojf         jcamins: you mean 3.8.6? he announced it on the mailing list. i never got to answer anything useful or really try the disk though
00:37 jcamins       He did?
00:37 drojf         yes, it was quite some time ago
00:38 jcamins       I never received it.
00:38 jcamins       I'm glad he announced it, though. :)
00:38 drojf         27.10.2012 [Koha] Koha Live CD for testing. seems like it was only on the main list
00:40 drojf         no, it was also on the dev list
01:48 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Koha Community Newsletter: November 2012 http://t.co/3Xur6ppn"
03:22 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7687' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f6487bc32d80ad91cf11627b8aded8b48ab9c71> / Bug 7687 - Remove problematic CSS gradient declarations targeting Internet Explorer <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90d00a52679b65c6f40de416d1b34a72319759e6> / Merge branch 'bug_8981' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko
03:29 jenkins_koha  Starting build #960 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
04:36 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #960: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/960/
04:36 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 8710 - Don't show the images tab in the OPAC if the record has no local images
04:36 jenkins_koha  * jonathan.druart: Bug 8164: Replace IFNULL with COALESCE
04:36 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 7731 [Follow-up] Library should be used instead of branch and site
04:36 jenkins_koha  * kyle: Bug 5801 - C4::Circulation::_GetCircControlBranch wrongly used in opac-reserve.pl
04:36 jenkins_koha  * dcook: Bug 8981 - Remove Nonpublic General Note from OPAC authorities display
04:36 jenkins_koha  * Paul Poulain: Bug 8981 follow-up: case
04:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Do not show the images tab in the OPAC if the record has no local cover images
04:36 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 7687 - Remove problematic CSS gradient declarations targeting Internet Explorer
04:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8164 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Replace IFNULL() with COALESCE() in all database calls
04:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7731 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Library should be used instead of branch and site
04:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5801 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , C4::Circulation::_GetCircControlBranch should not be used in opac-reserve.pl
04:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8981 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Remove Nonpublic General Note from OPAC authorities display
04:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7687 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove problematic CSS gradient declarations targeting Internet Explorer
04:49 sdawa         please help me out in creating patron card from KOHA
05:57 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @mickfortune: "#kohails  Koha Community Newsletter: November 2012 http://t.co/tBbJ633e - “you must help me now” - sounds familiar!"
07:14 jenkins_koha  Starting build #24 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:16 alex_a_       bonjour
07:16 cait          hi alex_a_ :)
07:16 rangi         hi alex_a_
07:20 alex_a_       hi rangi and cait :)
07:21 cait          friday!
07:23 alex_a_       yeahhh!
07:25 cait          bonjour laurence
07:26 cait          oh new newsletter :)
07:41 laurence      hi cait
07:44 sophie_m      hello #koha
07:44 rangi         hi laurence and sophie_m
07:44 cait          hi sophie_m :)
07:47 reiveune      hello
07:47 wahanui       salut, reiveune
07:47 rangi         hi reiveune
07:48 reiveune      hi rangi, magnuse, cait
07:49 cait          bbl
07:56 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.10.x build #24: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/24/
07:56 jenkins_koha  kyle: Bug 5801 - C4::Circulation::_GetCircControlBranch wrongly used in opac-reserve.pl
07:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5801 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , C4::Circulation::_GetCircControlBranch should not be used in opac-reserve.pl
07:56 jenkins_koha  Starting build #25 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:05 lds           hello
08:20 kf            hi #koha
08:29 jenkins_koha  Starting build #239 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:30 * magnuse     waves
08:30 * kf          waves back
08:39 * magnuse     ponders organizing relevant parts of the wiki into a "developer handbook" - it could be a template with a "table of contents" repeated at the bottom of relevant pages
08:46 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.10.x build #25: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/25/
08:46 jenkins_koha  * dcook: Bug 8981 - Remove Nonpublic General Note from OPAC authorities display
08:46 jenkins_koha  * Paul Poulain: Bug 8981 follow-up: case
08:46 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 7687 - Remove problematic CSS gradient declarations targeting Internet Explorer
08:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8981 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Remove Nonpublic General Note from OPAC authorities display
08:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7687 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove problematic CSS gradient declarations targeting Internet Explorer
08:46 magnuse       success! \o/
09:02 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @mickfortune: "#kohails  Koha Community Newsletter: November 2012 http://t.co/tBbJ633e - “you must help me now” - sounds familiar!"
09:05 magnuse       danielg++
09:06 magnuse       kia ora druthb_mobile
09:06 druthb_mobile Hi, magnuse
09:16 drojf         good morning #koha
09:17 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.8.x build #239: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/239/
09:17 jenkins_koha  * kyle: Bug 5801 - C4::Circulation::_GetCircControlBranch wrongly used in opac-reserve.pl
09:17 jenkins_koha  * dcook: Bug 8981 - Remove Nonpublic General Note from OPAC authorities display
09:17 magnuse       hiya drojf
09:17 jenkins_koha  * Paul Poulain: Bug 8981 follow-up: case
09:17 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5801 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , C4::Circulation::_GetCircControlBranch should not be used in opac-reserve.pl
09:17 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8981 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Remove Nonpublic General Note from OPAC authorities display
09:17 magnuse       success! \o/
09:17 drojf         hei magnuse
09:34 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
09:34 huginn        drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 3.9°C (10:13 AM CET on November 30, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
09:39 magnuse       @wunder boo
09:39 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (10:20 AM CET on November 30, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
09:40 magnuse       the wind is 22 m/s...
10:26 samuel        hi vereybody
10:26 samuel        everybody
10:26 wahanui       everybody is so enthusiastic today :)
10:28 samuel        something i don't know about the opac: can we add html pages in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac ? I've created this link http://koha.ecp.fr/cgi-bin/koha/ecp_presentation.html but it gives 404 error
12:40 tcohen        morning #koha
12:42 jcamins_away  We don't have any unit tests for circ.
12:42 jcamins_away  We should be ashamed of ourselves.
12:48 magnuse       jcamins_away: we are...
12:49 tcohen        i was about to write some for CalcDateDue
12:50 jcamins_away  tcohen++
12:50 tcohen        but got stuck on mockpackage
12:50 jcamins_away  That's what I'm talking about! New unit tests!
12:50 jcamins_away  We've been using MockModule.
12:50 jcamins_away  It's pretty easy.
12:50 jcamins_away  I don't know about MockPackage.
12:50 magnuse       http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/960/clover/?
12:51 kf1           tcohen: I think there is an example on chris blog too
12:51 tcohen        b back in a minute
12:52 magnuse       http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/08/05/unit-testing-without-a-database/
12:52 magnuse       ^^ uses Test::MockModule
12:53 * magnuse     has not gotten his head around mocking yet
12:53 tcohen        my problem is not how to use the mockmodule (wrote it wrong) but on what to mock
12:53 kf1           I think the calendar data?
12:53 tcohen        what i was thinking is that
12:54 tcohen        what i'd need o mock are some new functions
12:54 tcohen        that retreive data from the DB
12:54 tcohen        right now they cannot be mocked
12:54 tcohen        as they are hardcoded in the init function
12:55 jcamins_away  tcohen: where are you looking?
12:55 tcohen        Koha::CAlendar
12:55 jcamins       tcohen: I suspect you've identified a problem with the code.
12:56 jcamins       Oh, no, maybe not.
12:56 jcamins       It's an actual init function. I thought you meant INIT { } which is bad.
12:56 jcamins       You can use DBD::Mock in this case.
12:57 tcohen        ok, i didn't know of it
12:57 tcohen        thanks
13:00 tcohen        uff, it's way harder using dbd::mock than mockmodule :-P
13:01 jcamins       A little harder, maybe, but it's not that bad.
13:08 tcohen        is much more difficult than mocking a function that returns an array :-P
13:10 jcamins       Well, perhaps.
13:10 jcamins       Okay, I need an opinion.
13:10 jcamins       Bug 8782.
13:10 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8782 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Add a feature to close a subscription
13:10 jcamins       Works great.
13:11 jcamins       However, the squashed patches are by two different people.
13:11 jcamins       Do I care?
13:12 jcamins       Actually, never mind.
13:12 jcamins       I don't.
13:16 paul_p        back
13:17 oleonard      Hi #koha
13:17 tcohen        magnuse, thanks for that link to rangi's post
13:22 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8782: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0edca918b74b48d658534b54c0df1a84ec94661> / Bug 8782: Close a subscription <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c39380ed4e3fbc3615dcbbd09800605102dcde57> / Merge branch 'bug_7189' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb570a205206742ffcc03c0c8c99fb1866d73
13:27 kf1           jcamins: maybe tell people what you think about it generally? (good, bad, ...) ?
13:27 kf1           I think sqashng is not so nice with different authors
13:28 kf1           personally
13:29 jenkins_koha  Starting build #961 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:51 oleonard      Ha, TinyMCE closed their "support forum" because they felt they got too many questions, now everyone posts questions in thei "Tips and Tricks" forum.
13:51 oleonard      Nice to see that worked out :P
14:01 chris_n       lol
14:01 * chris_n     wonders how many questions are "too many?"
14:08 jcamins       oleonard: maybe TinyMCE is not the right plugin for us?
14:09 oleonard      yeah, I'm going to look at jWYSIWYG today
14:10 oleonard      I don't see anything in the documentation about localization, although it comes with localization files
14:10 jcamins       I feel like it shouldn't be so much trouble to translate.
14:12 oleonard      jcamins: The main problem is that I'd like to find a solution where we don't have to include localization files for *all* languages with each Koha translation
14:13 oleonard      Maybe that shouldn't be a priority
14:13 jcamins       oleonard: yeah, but datatables allows us to just use an include file, so surely there must be a wysiwyg plugin that does the same... I'd hope.
14:13 kf1           oleonard: I would prefer a solution that works with po
14:13 drojf         ouch. closing the support forum because of "too many questions" sounds like an interesting idea
14:13 kf1           oleonard: we have a lot of uncommon langauges too
14:13 kf1           drojf: where did you get that from?
14:14 drojf         (14:48:43) oleonard: Ha, TinyMCE closed their "support forum" because they felt they got too many questions, now everyone posts questions in thei "Tips and Tricks" forum.
14:14 drojf         kf1: ^^
14:18 * drojf       is not saying they should open a google group and everything would be fine
14:21 jcamins       Yeah, but we're all thinking it.
14:23 drojf         because we know it's true!
14:23 drojf         i think i'll pass on the option of making a koha propaganda booklet in latex for the workshop tomorrow
14:27 kf1           hm?
14:27 kf1           oh tomorrow
14:27 wahanui       tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today.
14:27 * kf1         will be online doing QA and hoping to get told some news :)
14:27 kf1           drojf: you will tell them about irc, won't you?
14:29 drojf         i would have in the flyer i am abandoning… ;) i probably will. but the language barrier will do its thing so nobody will come
14:29 jenkins_koha  Starting build #244 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 6 days ago)
14:29 kf1           ooooh :(
14:29 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Docs build #244: STILL FAILING in 28 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/244/
14:29 jenkins_koha  nengard: update patron categories
14:29 drojf         i suppose it's a win if some will find the way to the german mailing list
14:30 kf1           always the optimist
14:34 oleonard      Do office applications in other languages still use "B" to mean bold text?
14:34 kf1           hm
14:34 kf1           no
14:35 kf1           F
14:35 kf1           for German I think
14:37 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #961: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/961/
14:37 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 6602 - Reports dictionary doesn't properly recognize text columns
14:37 jenkins_koha  * mathieu.saby: Bug 8946: corrections in inc files for UNIMARC coded fields advanced search
14:37 jenkins_koha  * jonathan.druart: Bug 8715: Receive all serials for a year.
14:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6602 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Reports dictionary doesn't properly recognize text columns
14:37 jenkins_koha  * m.de.rooy: Bug 8032: Sort lists by call number
14:37 jenkins_koha  * maxime.pelletier: Bug 6945: Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view of the detail
14:37 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 6945 [FOLLOW-UP] Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view
14:37 jenkins_koha  * kyle: Bug 7189 - preference to control if returning lost items gives refund
14:37 jenkins_koha  * jcamins: Bug 7189: Increment version number
14:37 jenkins_koha  * jonathan.druart: Bug 8782: Close a subscription
14:37 jenkins_koha  * jcamins: Bug 8782: Increment version number
14:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8946 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Wrong label and missing values in UNIMARC coded fields advanced search
14:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Select all serials for a year
14:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Sort lists by call number
14:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6945 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Master , Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view
14:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7189 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , preference to control if returning lost items gives refund
14:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8782 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a feature to close a subscription
14:44 jenkins_koha  Starting build #6 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:44 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #6: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs_3.8.x/6/
14:44 jenkins_koha  nengard: update patron categories
15:41 jcamins_away  @later tell rangi Could you please run updatedatabase on jenkins?
15:41 huginn        jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
16:14 reiveune      bye
18:27 jcamins       You know what I would like to see? An OPAC-related syspref editor that actually shows you where the code you're editing shows up.
18:37 cait          hellooo #koha
18:38 chris_n       ehlo cait
18:38 cait          hi chris_n :)
18:40 libsysguy     EHLO 250
18:40 jcamins       Argh! That added me to the CC list.
18:41 libsysguy     oh sorry, this isn't a mail server
18:41 jcamins       libsysguy: 250?
18:41 wahanui       250 is the number all of those wicked, naughty grant reviewers ask for.
18:41 jcamins       wtf kind of server name is that?
18:41 wahanui       that is, like, because it's phased out
18:41 libsysguy     yeah doesn't the exchange server reply with
18:42 libsysguy     that?
18:42 wahanui       that is, like, because it's phased out
18:42 libsysguy     wahanui: forget that
18:42 wahanui       libsysguy: I forgot that
18:42 libsysguy     hehe
18:42 jcamins       250-this.server.com Hello chris_n
18:42 libsysguy     anywho, I have a .t question that perhaps the QAM or the RM can answer
18:43 jcamins       No you may not save the unit tests for later. :P
18:43 jcamins       Go ahead. :)
18:43 libsysguy     If I want to test that unique and repeating holidays are working
18:43 libsysguy     should that go in the calendar test
18:43 libsysguy     or the circulation test
18:43 libsysguy     btw Circulation.t fails 2/3 tests atm
18:43 jcamins       Hm.
18:43 libsysguy     :p
18:44 jcamins       libsysguy: not for me.
18:44 libsysguy     oh oops
18:44 jcamins       You should be testing the calendar part of holidays in Calendar.t, and testing actually checking items out in Circulation.t.
18:44 libsysguy     that was my test
18:44 jcamins       lol
18:44 libsysguy     it fails for quecat scanners :p
18:45 libsysguy     err cuecat
18:45 libsysguy     however you say that
18:45 jcamins       There's a Javascript decoder you can use.
18:45 chris_n       jcamins: lol
18:45 libsysguy     so jcamins, doing it like that means I actaully have to commit my changes to the db right?
18:46 libsysguy     err commit my holidays
18:46 jcamins       Not necessarily.
18:47 libsysguy     I guess I could use Mock to fake a calendar addition
18:47 jcamins       In Calendar.t, you want to test that the unique and repeating holidays you tried to create are created the way you wanted them to be.
18:47 jcamins       You will then delete the holidays at the end of the Calendar.t test, using the deleting as a way to test holiday deletion.
18:48 jcamins       In Circulation.t, you either create new holidays to test and then delete them at the end, or, even better, you mock the holidays using either DBD::Mock or MockModule.
18:48 libsysguy     HA i knew it
18:48 libsysguy     lol
18:48 libsysguy     good thing I was already using MockModule
18:48 libsysguy     plug and play ftw
18:50 jcamins       I need to write up code guidelines for unit tests.
18:50 jcamins       *coding
18:50 jcamins       The primary guideline, of course, is that they are not optional.
18:51 libsysguy     nominates the QAM
18:51 libsysguy     who will then delegate it to me
18:51 jcamins       lol
18:51 jcamins       Nah, I'll write up the guidelines.
18:52 jcamins       It is, after all, my particular talisman.
18:52 libsysguy     oh so you're a guidelines man
18:52 libsysguy     heh
18:52 jcamins       No, unit tests.
18:53 jcamins       But other people like guidelines.
18:53 libsysguy     I thought unit tests were rangi's bag
18:53 jcamins       It's kind of a joint crusade.
18:53 libsysguy     haha
18:55 cait          lol
18:55 cait          now I missed all this discussion
18:55 cait          which is probably for the better :)
18:55 cait          libsysguy: the secret is - I would never be able to write unit test guidelines to jcamins liking... and he knows it
18:55 cait          so prefers to does it himself :)
18:55 libsysguy     jcamins chant: UNIT TESTERS UNIT TESTERS UNIT TESTERS UNIT TESTERS
18:56 cait          to do...
18:56 jcamins       And unlike the crusade of Enjolras and Gavroche, ours will succeed against all odds.
18:56 * cait        waves and sends cookies
18:56 * cait        is a cookie person
18:57 libsysguy     and im back with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
18:57 jcamins       "Do you hear the people sing, singing the song of the unit test... it is the music of a people who will not allow their vigilance to rest!"
18:58 melia         oh no. please not that guy again.
18:58 rambutan      jcamins is clearly a man of letters
18:58 jcamins       lol
18:58 jcamins       rambutan: well, I watched the show, anyway. ;)
18:59 jcamins       That's a good idea, though.
18:59 jcamins       I shall read Les Miserables starting tomorrow.
18:59 rambutan      I shall not have the time or inclination, I suppose.
19:00 jcamins       We'll see if I finish it.
19:00 jcamins       It's pretty long, and in a language that I don't really speak very well.
19:01 rambutan      Interesting, in doing some skimming-level research on the current topic of discussion I see that Jacques Barzun died last month.
19:01 rambutan      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Barzun
19:04 jcamins       On the subject of French, I think I shall eat lunch before I attempt to decode this ownership inscription.
19:04 cait          :)
19:08 rambutan      jcamins should, then, have a glass of Chateau Lafite Rothschild with his lunch.
19:16 jcamins       Actually, in a startling departure from the French theme I had dal for lunch.
19:16 jcamins       And not just any dal... I had Dal-i Llentil!
19:16 cait          lol
19:18 jcamins       trea came up with that name.
19:18 jcamins       Well, trea came up with Dal-i lentil, and another friend suggested the two 'l's.
19:32 drojf         have not tried it yet but i'd be in favour of a "koha dal-i llentil". we should really get some kind of cookish and/or cookieish naming started
19:32 jcamins       Agreed.
19:32 jcamins       I'll give my previous food-related names.
19:33 jcamins       *previews
19:33 jcamins       What a bizarre typo.
19:33 drojf         \o/
19:35 drojf         what number is thefork™ at nowadays?
19:35 oleonard      37.8
19:35 maximep       hey, I have a question about authority merging. So if I edit something like the field 100$d, it updated all the attached notices. If I remove the 100$d, it doesn't seem to remove it from the notice. Is that a normal behavior ?
19:35 jcamins       maximep: I don't recall.
19:35 jcamins       I think that is not correct, though.
19:36 jcamins       Incidentally, there have been 76 patches pushed to 3.12 since 3.10 was released.
19:37 drojf         someone is a busy bee
19:40 maximep       ok, so I guess it's a feature. Koha doesn't destroy data, only updates it
19:40 jcamins       maximep: no, I think it's a bug.
19:40 jcamins       Sorry, "I think that is not correct" is not the clearest statement one could make.
19:41 jcamins       Indeed, it is second only to "I don't think that isn't correct" in incomprehensibility.
19:43 maximep       haha
19:48 druthb        I don't not agree with you, jcamins.    :P
19:48 jcamins       druthb: thanks.
19:49 * druthb      is just being obtuse to see if she can make you twitch.  Friday fun and games.
19:49 * jcamins     followed.
19:52 * druthb      gets out her pointy stick, and takes aim at the RM.
19:56 jcamins       druthb: watch out or I'll put you on unit test-writing duty!
19:57 druthb        use Test::Simple tests => 1; ok(1, 'Looks good to me');
19:58 druthb        all done!
19:58 cait          lol
19:59 cait          where is the pizza?
19:59 wahanui       it has been said that the pizza is in the oven.
19:59 druthb        looks like something libsysguy would write, doesn't it?
19:59 jcamins       druthb: lol
20:00 * druthb      looks innocent.
20:01 druthb        wahanui: are there cookies?
20:01 wahanui       bugger all, i dunno, druthb
20:01 druthb        hmpf.
20:01 druthb        no botsnack!
20:01 cait          druthb: be nice to wahanui
20:01 cait          druthb translationmanagersnack cookie
20:01 cait          wahanui botsnack cookie
20:01 wahanui       :)
20:02 druthb        cait: QAMsnack cookie
20:02 cait          yum
20:06 druthb        wahanui: cookie?
20:06 wahanui       The cookie jar is on the RM's desk, so you'd better ask him about that.
20:06 * druthb      puts on her innocent look again.
20:06 jcamins       lol
20:09 druthb        yah, the RM's desk is this ginormous half-hectare of polished oak, with an Aeron chair...the TMs is a rusty old television tray and a beanbag chair.  I win.
20:10 libsysguy     hey don't hate on the Aeron chair
20:10 libsysguy     the QAA has one and it is quite comfortable :p
20:10 druthb        libsysguy:   But..   d00d.   a BEANBAG chair!
20:10 jcamins       lol
20:10 * libsysguy   thinks of Ron White
20:10 jcamins       I have an exercise ball for a chair.
20:11 libsysguy     is that how you maintain core strength jcamins :p
20:11 oleonard      And how he works off all the cookies
20:11 libsysguy     its a new workout "Koha Abs"
20:11 jcamins       libsysguy: that and banging my head on the table.
20:11 libsysguy     oh so weighted situps too :p
20:12 * druthb      waves the pointy stick at libsysguy.
20:12 libsysguy     eek
20:12 libsysguy     ugh this test for circulation keeps getting longer and longer
20:12 libsysguy     MOAR CODE!!
20:13 * druthb      crax the whip at libsysguy
20:15 * libsysguy   also does not approve of the AddMember documentation
20:15 jcamins       ::snrrrkkk:: <-- muffled laughter
20:16 libsysguy     gesundheit
20:17 libsysguy     does that translate correctly to German?
20:18 jcamins       libsysguy: what are you going to do when you find out it's a deadly insult and saying "gesundheit" to a German means a duel at dawn? :P
20:18 oleonard      Hm, so Bugzilla won't accept a 2.6MB patch...
20:18 libsysguy     i guess I'll just make sure to draw first?
20:19 libsysguy     2MB upload limit in PHP config?
20:19 libsysguy     err what does bugs runon?
20:19 libsysguy     run on**
20:19 libsysguy     oh perl
20:19 libsysguy     fancy that
20:19 jcamins       oleonard: so TinyMCE seems like the best choice overall?
20:20 oleonard      jcamins: What I'm doing is sending a patch to just move TinyMCE out of the translated path and trim it down some
20:21 oleonard      jWYSIWYG seems promising, but it was also a little buggy, not as polished, and didn't offer as many features
20:21 oleonard      Neither has a dead simple way to handle translations the way we want to
20:22 jcamins       oleonard: makes sense.
20:23 oleonard      My proposed change will improve things, but not as much as I had hoped to all at once
20:27 libsysguy     024 is the marc field for barcode right?
20:28 jcamins       libsysguy: what kind of barcode?
20:28 jcamins       UPC?
20:28 libsysguy     umm one for test data?
20:29 jcamins       Barcode is stored in the item.
20:29 libsysguy     well thats what I get for trying to read http://goo.gl/E6xWk
20:31 cait          libsysguy: yep
20:33 cait          about gesundheit being right :)
20:33 cait          sorry
20:34 tcohen        libsysguy, will u be working on circ tests?
20:34 cait          it's friday, only half here
20:34 libsysguy     oh I was like…ouch :'(
20:34 libsysguy     yes tcohen I'm trying to make sure the calendar is working with circ
20:34 libsysguy     I think its broken for unique holidays in 3.8.7
20:34 libsysguy     but I'm trying to prove it
20:35 jcamins       Okay, _now_ I have everything I need to prepare a printed catalog of this collection.
20:35 * jcamins     heads home to do that.
20:35 tcohen        libsysguy, did u find a problem with the calendar unit tests?
20:35 libsysguy     no I didn't
20:36 libsysguy     this problem is with item checkouts. It appears the due date doesn't push on holidays
20:36 tcohen        what's the scenario you find problematic?
20:36 tcohen        with fixed due dates?
20:37 libsysguy     basically when you checkout and the date is on a holiday it still places the checkout there, no matter what the syspref is
20:39 tcohen        the due date is calculated using circ matri or is it fixed by the checkout form ?
20:39 libsysguy     calculated by the circ matrix
20:39 cait          libsysguy: are you on latest master?
20:39 libsysguy     no, 3.8.7
20:40 cait          hm
20:40 libsysguy     testing the "stable" release :p
20:40 tcohen        you could try to debug what is readed from the circ matrix, otherwise it could be an issue with addDate
20:40 cait          it sounds a bit like somthing that was fixed on master?
20:41 libsysguy     well the odd thing is it appears to work with repeating holidays
20:41 tcohen        make sure you are not using memcached when changing betwen different setps
20:41 libsysguy     yeah definitely not using memcached on my test box
20:45 tcohen        f* s*t
20:45 tcohen        found it
20:45 tcohen        we need to push some db_dependent tests
20:45 tcohen        soon
20:45 libsysguy     thats what I'm writing now
20:45 libsysguy     I'm tired of the calendar being broken all the time
20:45 libsysguy     :p
20:45 tcohen        found the problem
20:46 libsysguy     git link?
20:46 cait          libsysguy++ and tcohen++ team_work++
20:46 tcohen        on Koha::Calendat->init
20:46 libsysguy     UGH
20:47 libsysguy     that damn init function needs to burn
20:47 tcohen        isexception is swapped
20:47 tcohen        between special holidays and exceptio holidays
20:47 libsysguy     nice
20:47 * oleonard    is off for the weekend, then in Boston for http://roost.bocoup.com/
20:47 libsysguy     well thats a simple fix
20:47 tcohen        1 for 0 and viceversa
20:47 tcohen        yeap
20:48 libsysguy     you want to patch it or you want me to?
20:48 * libsysguy   figured you were right there
20:48 oleonard      See y'all later
20:48 libsysguy     later oleonard
20:48 cait          oleonard: have fun!
20:53 tcohen        libsysguy, what do u prefer?
20:53 libsysguy     doesn't matter to me
20:53 libsysguy     I can patch it
20:53 tcohen        i'd fel more comfortable if we had a unit test for that hehe
20:54 libsysguy     I'm about 50% done with it
20:54 cait          :)
20:54 tcohen        nice, good luck then!
20:55 tcohen        bug 9074
20:55 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9074 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, In Discussion , DB dependent tests for is_holiday
20:55 tcohen        there's a discussion on db_dependent tests and its data sets
20:56 cait          i have to admit it was me not being too happy about using the sample data like that :(
20:56 libsysguy     there is also the db-independent test Calendar.t
20:56 cait          i feel sorry forblocking tests, only felt like maybe we could do it a different way
20:57 libsysguy     while I'm not too keen on db-dependent test myself
20:57 tcohen        i'll try to make improvements in my undesrtanding of DBD::Mock this weekend
20:57 * libsysguy   forgot where I was going with that
20:57 libsysguy     yeah and MockModule
21:00 tcohen        bye #koah
21:00 cait          bye tcohen
21:00 tcohen        good mock for every1
21:00 cait          have a nice weekend
21:05 libsysguy     Well that is frustrating
21:05 libsysguy     why do I have to pass the dbh to DelItem
21:50 tcohen_home   i'll give a try to mock_add_resultset
21:53 tcohen_home   libsysguy did u fill the bug for special holidays?
21:54 libsysguy     I didn't
21:54 tcohen_home   (so i can name my local branch accordingly heh)
21:54 libsysguy     I got sidetracked
21:54 libsysguy     heh
22:23 tcohen_home   libsysguy, I hope I finish my tests soon, because i think my guess ws wrong (on master at least)
22:27 libsysguy     well shoot
22:34 jcamins       I come bearing excellent news! The price of a 4-lb package of butter went down 50 cents!
22:36 jcamins       Every...
22:36 jcamins       year and a third...
22:37 jcamins       a package of butter will be as good as free.
22:37 libsysguy     how much better are you buying there Paula Dean...
22:38 jcamins       libsysguy: during the holidays?
22:38 jcamins       tons.
22:38 jcamins       Other times of the year, I guess I probably buy a package every month or two.
22:38 libsysguy     I guess you do a lot of baking?
22:38 jcamins       Yes.
22:39 jcamins       It's all for baking.
22:39 jcamins       As a general rule, I don't like putting butter on things.
22:40 libsysguy     yup you're definitely not from the south :p
22:40 jcamins       lol
22:40 jcamins       I get that a lot.
22:40 jcamins       My wife, of course, is.
22:41 libsysguy     oh?
22:41 libsysguy     where about?
22:42 jcamins       Near Roanoke, Virginia.
22:42 libsysguy     pshhh thats not the south
22:42 jcamins       Her parents were transplanted New Yorkers, though, so she's not really typical of that region.
22:42 libsysguy     transplanted
22:43 libsysguy     is that what they are doing in that state?
22:43 libsysguy     maybe thats why it was blue in 08
22:43 jcamins       Yes. They moved to the Roanoke area in the 70s after having careers up here.
22:43 jcamins       lol
22:43 libsysguy     its like political integration
22:46 jcamins       I also don't believe in cooking vegetables to a mush.
22:46 libsysguy     [off] hey whatever happened to mbalmer
22:47 tcohen_home   question, has anyone played with NULL values and DBD::Mock?
22:47 jcamins       [off] He's given up on Koha and Perl because we're too big on FOSS in this community.
22:48 jcamins       tcohen_home: what do you mean?
22:48 jcamins       Okay, I'm pushing bug 8429.
22:48 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8429 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , Unnecessary use of Exporter in SIP/ILS objects
22:48 tcohen_home   i want to mock a db query that returns null values for some felds
22:48 jcamins       '' isn't null enough?
22:48 jcamins       Wait, I think you can just use undef.
22:48 jcamins       What did I do?
22:49 tcohen_home   i'll try undef
22:53 jcamins       Okay, I do not like git-bz adding me to the CC list.
22:53 jcamins       Not cool.
22:54 * jcamins     fixes it.
23:00 jcamins       melia: you know how you were just thinking you wanted a challenging bug to sign off on? :)
23:00 jcamins       I have just the thing...
23:00 melia         heh
23:01 melia         I usually only do the very easy ones!
23:02 jcamins       Bug 7919- it'll be fun!
23:02 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes)
23:04 jcamins       I need to ask rangi how to move branches to the koha-archive repo.
23:06 melia         hhhmm. I can try that one...
23:18 melia         jcamins: it fails. I can't sign it off.
23:19 jcamins       melia: well, that's a good thing to know too. Could you please note the problems you encountered on the bug?
23:19 jcamins       Thanks. :)
23:19 melia         yup I did. hopefully that'll help them fix it up.
23:19 jcamins       Oh, you already did.
23:20 jcamins       melia++
23:20 melia         thanks :)
23:20 jcamins       ^^ that was for testing this bug
23:20 jcamins       melia++ # that's for generally awesome testing
23:21 melia         it's kind of fun testing!  I'm learning a lot doing this
23:23 jcamins       I'm glad. Your thorough testing is exactly what we need in the development phase for a lot of these bugs... did you ever think about becoming a developer? ;)
23:24 melia         I actually have the Learning Perl O'Reilly book on my desk, but I hardly ever have time to look at it
23:24 jcamins       As an aside, baked fingerling potatoes are kind of depressing... they're so tiny you need a half dozen.
23:25 melia         but they're tasty!
23:26 jcamins       They are.
23:26 jcamins       Which is good, because I have several pounds from the CSA.