Time  Nick               Message
00:04 jcamins            Where do I set estimated delivery dates?
00:05 jcamins            Oh, figured it out.
00:07 jcamins            But I can't figure out how to get something to show up in the list of late orders.
00:08 jcamins            Ah, figured it out.
00:08 jcamins            You have to clear all the criteria before clicking filter.
00:34 informationstudies hi every one , i'm emtenan from kingdom of Saudi Arabia , cs college " information studies "  i've one question , How many libraries use Koha system ? !
00:35 drojf              informationstudies: nobody knows. everybody can download and use it without registration
00:36 jcamins            informationstudies: many.
00:37 jcamins            worldwide koha users?
00:37 drojf              informationstudies: you can search at http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/ but that only includes those that put it there
00:37 jcamins            koha installations?
00:37 jcamins            worldwide koha installations?
00:37 jcamins            wahanui has failed me!
00:37 wahanui            jcamins: what?
00:37 jcamins            koha users worldwide?
00:37 informationstudies aha but my doctors give me this assignment =(  he wanna  numbers
00:37 jcamins            worldwide koha users is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide
00:38 jcamins            informationstudies: you can tell count the number listed on the page there, and/or on libwebcats, but that's not a definitive answer.
00:38 jcamins            There is no definitive answer.
00:38 jcamins            The best you could do would be "at least X."
00:38 drojf              lib-web-cats A directory of libraries throughout the world      found 1983 items where the library automation system used is  Koha sorted by: Institution, Type,HQ DESC,LibraryName.  Showing page 1 of 100
00:39 drojf              so i'd say it's a lot more
00:41 jcamins            Tons more, because that doesn't include libraries in the Phillipines, does it?
00:42 jcamins            I think almost every library in the Phillipines is using Koha.
00:43 drojf              found 263 items where the country is  Philippines and the library automation system used is  Koha sorted by: Institution, Type,HQ DESC,LibraryName.  Showing page 1 of 14.
00:43 jcamins            Okay, so it has at least some of the libraries.
00:44 drojf              informationstudies: you could try to get some download statistics too. of course that does not say anything. rangi would probably know some numbers
00:44 informationstudies here in Saudi i think one of the university in Riyadh  used Koha .   but others used horizon like in my university ,
00:45 jcamins            There are also Millennium and Voyager libraries in Saudi, and probably a lot of other ILSes in use, too. :)
00:46 jcamins            Koha's the best, though, of course. :)
00:46 informationstudies i must download some statistics , try to find the right number  <<< i hope to find it *_*
00:46 drojf              there is no right number
00:47 jcamins            informationstudies: drojf meant that there are statistics on the number of people who have downloaded Koha in the last month.
00:47 drojf              but while you're at it, download a copy of koha for yourself. it's free and nice, try it out yourself :)
00:47 jcamins            Yes, definitely do that.
00:48 drojf              uh, it's getting 2am-ish already. good night #koha
00:48 jcamins            Good night.
00:49 informationstudies i'll try it insha allah  , Thank you so much for  helping me ,
00:49 informationstudies good night all =)
01:02 eythian            wahanui: burn is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/eGEPE.jpg
01:02 wahanui            OK, eythian.
01:06 jenkins_koha       Project Koha_master build #959: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/959/
01:06 jenkins_koha       * oleonard: Bug 9137 - Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
01:06 jenkins_koha       * kyle: Bug 8559 - conflicting item statuses - Force cancel or revert
01:06 jenkins_koha       * kyle: Bug 8559 - conflicting item statuses - QA Followup
01:06 jenkins_koha       * christophe.croullebois: Bug 8557: Prevents form validation by pressing "Enter"
01:06 jenkins_koha       * jonathan.druart: Bug 9030: Add constraint on aqorders_items.ordernumber
01:06 jenkins_koha       * jcamins: Bug 9030: Increment version number
01:06 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
01:06 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8559 normal, P3, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , conflicting item statuses
01:06 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8557 normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , in orderreceive.tt and serials-edit.tt the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly
01:06 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no constraint on aqorders_items
02:13 jcamins            wizzyrea: you're good at puns... I need a clever name for my dal mix that is a pun on "dal" or "lentil."
02:13 jcamins            Since "lentil the match
02:14 jcamins            *"Lentil the matchmaker" doesn't make any sense, I'm thinking that I need a pun based on "dal."
02:14 eythian            Salvador Lentil
02:15 wizzyrea           dal-icious something
02:15 trea               The Dal-i Lentil
02:15 jcamins            trea++
02:15 wizzyrea           WINNING
02:15 wizzyrea           :)
02:15 jcamins            Awesome! That's absolutely perfect.
02:16 * wizzyrea         defers to trea for all things humor now
02:16 * trea             bows
02:19 jcamins            Another friend refined it further: Dal-i Llentil.
02:20 jcamins            Prunounced "Dali Yentl" in Castilian Spanish. :)
02:20 jcamins            *Castillian
02:29 jenkins_koha       Starting build #21 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:29 jenkins_koha       Starting build #235 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:30 jcamins            Dal-i Llentil is doubly perfect because now my instructions for making the dal from scratch are "For reincarnation"!
02:30 trea               hehe
02:30 wizzyrea           hahaha
02:32 jcamins            So, you did a good job with that, but what about punning names for hot chocolate mixes and crepe mixes?
02:36 jcamins            p-cocoa (rho-cocoa)?
02:37 trea               hehe. now with lots of fiddly bits
02:44 wizzyrea           hmm
03:07 jcamins            Dicey crepes?
03:09 jcamins            Punning on the dice game.
03:49 jenkins_koha       Project Koha_3.8.x build #235: SUCCESS in 1 hr 20 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/235/
03:49 jenkins_koha       tomascohen: Bug 9142 - Remove the use of subtests
03:52 jenkins_koha       Project Koha_3.10.x build #21: SUCCESS in 1 hr 23 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/21/
03:52 jenkins_koha       * tomascohen: Bug 9142 - Remove the use of subtests
03:52 jenkins_koha       * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9132: Paging through OPAC authority search results does not work
03:52 jenkins_koha       * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9132: Paging through OPAC authority search results does not work (followup 1) input with and_ora instread of and_or
03:57 wizzyrea           crepe expectations?
03:57 wizzyrea           Crepe fear?
03:57 wizzyrea           Crepe Cod?
04:01 ibeardslee         Thomas Creper?
04:02 wizzyrea           ^^
04:02 wizzyrea           show me your cocoa face?
04:12 jcamins            I like crepe expectations.
04:22 jcamins            It doesn't offer any clever headings for the recipe, though.
04:22 wizzyrea           I suppose not
04:22 wizzyrea           why do i imagine that this is myshkin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gnfcdOZTsc&feature=player_embedded
04:38 jcamins_away       lol
04:38 jcamins_away       Yeah, that's him.
04:38 jcamins_away       Good night. :)
05:51 cait               hi #koha
07:04 * magnuse          waves
07:29 jenkins_koha       Starting build #22 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:30 alex_a_            bonjour
07:31 cait               hi magnuse and alex_a_ :)
07:32 alex_a_            hello cait
07:38 paul_p             hello #koha
07:38 reiveune           hello
07:38 wahanui            hola, reiveune
07:38 magnuse            kia ora cait alex_a_ paul_p reiveune
07:40 cait               hi paul_p
07:40 cait               and hi reiveune :)
07:40 cait               europe waking up :)
07:40 reiveune           hi cait magnuse :)
07:52 tweetbot`          [off] twitter: @Tredok: "How to successfully upgrade from 3.8.x to 3.10.x http://t.co/1VAly1uP #kohails"
08:04 lds                hello
08:04 wahanui            hola, lds
08:10 jenkins_koha       Project Koha_3.10.x build #22: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/22/
08:10 jenkins_koha       koha: Bug 9098 Replace tabulations by spaces in opac-user.pl
08:10 jenkins_koha       Starting build #23 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:11 magnuse            success! \o/
08:11 magnuse            @wunder boo
08:12 magnuse            no huginn today?!?
08:14 jenkins_koha       Starting build #236 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:16 magnuse            @later tell wizzyrea: you might want to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars ;-)
08:16 rangi              that wont work without huginn :)
08:17 magnuse            gah!
08:17 magnuse            old habits...
08:17 magnuse            i was going to leave a @later for gmcharlt...
08:55 magnuse            is there a good way to assemble the data fields in marc, like field 008? something that does "insert this char at position 23" in a sane way?
09:01 rangi              hmm not that i know of
09:02 magnuse            hm, better do it in an insane way, then i guess
09:04 magnuse            which is what i would expect as long as MARC is involved, anyway
09:04 kf                 hello #koha
09:04 magnuse            kia ora kf
09:30 vkm                hello, is it necessary to keep accession series separate when managing many libraries with single koha
09:31 kf                 hi magnuse
09:33 jenkins_koha       Project Koha_3.8.x build #236: SUCCESS in 1 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/236/
09:33 jenkins_koha       * koha: Bug 9098 Replace tabulations by spaces in opac-user.pl
09:33 jenkins_koha       * robin: Bug 6680 - simple tidy-up of cart download format descriptions
09:33 vkm                i mean at present there are many libraries in our system working independently, so i can i bring together in one koha without effecting there system
09:33 jenkins_koha       * nengard: Follow up to Bug 6680: tiny up download lists formats
09:33 jenkins_koha       Project Koha_3.10.x build #23: SUCCESS in 1 hr 22 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/23/
09:33 jenkins_koha       * robin: Bug 6680 - simple tidy-up of cart download format descriptions
09:33 jenkins_koha       * nengard: Follow up to Bug 6680: tiny up download lists formats
09:33 jenkins_koha       * oleonard: Bug 9106 - Filtering list of uncertain price list by owner empties order information
09:33 jenkins_koha       * oleonard: Bug 9137 - Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
09:33 jenkins_koha       * kyle: Bug 8559 - conflicting item statuses - Force cancel or revert
09:33 jenkins_koha       * kyle: Bug 8559 - conflicting item statuses - QA Followup
09:33 jenkins_koha       * christophe.croullebois: Bug 8557: Prevents form validation by pressing "Enter"
09:33 magnuse            success! \o/
09:34 vkm                i mean at present there are many libraries in our system working independently, so i can i bring together in one koha without effecting there system
09:34 vkm                our accession series are same?
09:44 magnuse            vkm: what do you mean by "accession series"?
11:08 vfernandes         hi :)
11:08 vfernandes         great new for UNIMARC users: patch for bug 8347 submitted
11:09 kf                 bug 8347
11:09 kf                 hm where is our bot?
11:09 vfernandes         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8334
11:09 kf                 oh no huginn?
11:09 vfernandes         vacations :P
11:09 kf                 heh hope not
11:10 kf                 gmcharlt: could you take a look at huginn? - he went missing.
11:11 vfernandes         it is down for a beer eheh
11:13 vfernandes         I put the wrong link - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8347
11:14 vfernandes         this patch I think it's important to be tested and put in the next 3.10.X and 3.8.X
11:16 vfernandes         in my tests worked perfectly :P
11:16 kf                 you wouldn't have submitted it otherwise I hope ;)
11:17 vfernandes         of course... :)
11:38 vfernandes         kf what if think about a patch to change the scale and width of barcode in patron cards?
11:39 vfernandes         *what you
11:39 kf                 hm not sure
11:39 kf                 it's over 20 right now I think?
11:39 kf                 oh on patron cards
11:39 kf                 not sure I haven't used that feature yet
11:40 vfernandes         my $barcode_width = 0.8 * $self->{'width'};  my $barcode_y_scale_factor = 0.01 * $self->{'height'};
11:40 vfernandes         the 0.8 and 0.01 values are fixed
11:51 magnuse            might be a good idea to run that by chris_n when he shows up perhaps? he coded most of that, i think
12:23 vfernandes         I have other modifications that would be nice to have in the labels
12:34 vfernandes         shouldn't record batch edit be already in Koha 3.8.X?
12:34 kf                 nope - only items, not records
12:36 vfernandes         I have adapted a patch to add batch edit for records in Koha 3.2.X
12:38 vfernandes         ohh bug 5725
12:38 vfernandes         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725
12:39 vfernandes         I have this working on 3.2.X
12:47 Barrc              Would anyone have any ideas as to why a MySQL server install is taking up to 25 seconds to insert into the koha sessions table! Old version of Koha and SQL is optimised as best I can - really strange!
13:06 kf                 Barrc: do you regularly tdelete old entries?
13:06 Barrc              kf: yeah, daily. Session table has about 80 rows there now
13:14 kf                 Barrc: I think there are some best practice things you can do
13:14 kf                 but we haven't tried them (afaik) like changing the table not to be innodb or not use mysql to store session information
13:15 kf                 maybe try google - quite sure it has been on the mailing list before
13:18 Barrc              kf: Thanks - I'd imagine there'd be some code (CGI) changes to not use the db for session information. Should be handy enough - I will trawl through the list - thanks. Have exhausted all other avenues at this stage!
13:21 kf                 Barrc: I think you can even configure it
13:21 kf                 but never done it- so I woudl suggest you try and research it online
13:22 kf                 h oleonard
13:22 wahanui            hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
13:22 oleonard           Hi
13:37 jcamins_away       Barrc: actuall I do have an idea.
13:38 jcamins            Barrc: run OPTIMIZE TABLE sessions;
13:39 Barrc              jcamins: thanks - I have already tried that - no joy!
13:39 oleonard           What setting prevents you from placing holds in the OPAC because of fines?
13:40 oleonard           I seem to have it turned on and can't figure out how to turn it off :|
13:40 kf                 hm
13:40 kf                 oleonard: let me think about it - what's the message you get?
13:40 oleonard           "Sorry, you cannot place holds because you owe $26.95." I guess I could trace back from there but I thought someone might remember offhand
13:41 kf                 hm
13:41 kf                 hm
13:42 kf                 I am not sure we have a pref specific to holds - but we might have
13:42 kf                 which version are you looking at? master?
13:43 oleonard           Yes
13:45 kf                 hah
13:45 kf                 maxoutstanding
13:47 oleonard_          Hey, what was that all about?
13:48 oleonard_          maxoutstanding. Okay, makes sense. I don't know why I couldn't find it when searching preferences.
13:49 nengard_           oleonard:  maxoutstanding
13:49 nengard_           was disconnected just now
13:49 nengard_           not sure that came through
13:49 oleonard_          Nope, nor did I see kf say the same thing :)
13:50 oleonard           (until I checked the log to see if my last message had been heard)
13:50 kf                 ah
13:50 kf                 but you found it :)
13:50 nengard_           keep getting kicked
13:50 tcohen             paul_p: i was confident that if I sent an email about translate.k-c then it would automagically get fixed.
13:51 paul_p             tcohen = I think here's a problem though, because it's anormally slow
13:51 kf                 tcohen: the server moved recently - so I think druthb is trying to figure out what's wrong
13:53 tcohen             thanks, paul_p kf
14:10 druthb             tcohen++  #offer of a better home for the Pootle.
14:13 kf                 tcohen++ :)
14:13 oleonard           jcamins: When do we get to see this dal recipe?
14:15 pastebot           "jcamins" at pasted "oleonard: dal recipe" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/287
14:15 oleonard           Ah, part of a gift package?
14:16 jcamins            Yup.
14:17 oleonard           Great idea
14:23 magnuse            Barrc: there's a syspref called  SessionStorage that lets you choose mysql, memcached or tempfiles for your sessions
14:31 Barrc              magnuse: Thanks - although I notice (in the slow query log) that other tables are slow too - must be more a MySQL issue - can't figure it though...
14:31 jcamins            Alas, bug 7067 comes with no unit tests whatsoever.
14:32 jcamins            However, the test plans on the bug receive my approval: they were clearly labelled "test plan."
14:32 kf                 bug 7067
14:32 kf                 oh I miss huginn
14:33 magnuse            gmcharlt?
14:33 wahanui            gmcharlt is probably an expert in all things library technology.
14:33 magnuse            yay!
14:33 * gmcharlt         looks for lost bots
14:33 magnuse            w00t!
14:33 kf                 :)
14:33 kf                 thx
14:35 chris_n            heya #koha
14:37 chris_n            wb huginn
14:40 gmcharlt           @quote radnom
14:40 huginn             gmcharlt: downloading the Perl source
14:40 gmcharlt           @quote random
14:40 huginn             gmcharlt: Quote #203: "francharb: oh god… it's complicated" (added by wizzyrea at 03:48 PM, May 08, 2012)
14:41 magnuse            gmcharlt++
14:42 kf                 gmcharlt++
14:43 oleonard           there's a potential wrinkle with 7067 that I'd like to discuss jcamins when you have time
14:44 jcamins            oleonard: is it the lack of unit tests?
14:44 oleonard           No :)
14:45 jcamins            Oh, well, I caught that one.
14:45 jcamins            I have some time now if you'd like to discuss it now. :)
14:45 oleonard           It's the conflict between the need for self-registrations that notices be sent very frequently, versus the need of "digest" type messages to have time to accumulate
14:46 oleonard           If we want people's self-registration details to go out right away (what a user would expect), the message queue has to be processed every minute or so
14:46 oleonard           But that means that "digest" messages have no time to accumulate before being sent
14:46 jcamins            Hm.
14:51 kf                 oleonard: could we have a process_message_queue job that is more selective?
14:51 kf                 like cron themwith different delays
14:52 oleonard           That seems like it might work
14:57 oleonard           So one question is whether such a change to process_message_queue blocks 7067, or whether 7067 could be pushed with warnings to the user
14:57 jcamins            oleonard: I think the latter, if 7067 passes QA.
14:59 kf                 oleonard: I think maybe have a big note - and tell people that it#s a new feature they can use, but there is one caveat?
15:00 kf                 I see no harm done adding it - it will cause no regression and people can decide if it's a blocker for them or not
15:22 jcamins            jcamins
15:22 jcamins            jcamins?
15:22 wahanui            you are too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
15:22 jcamins            wahanui: jcamins is also very, very irascible.
15:22 wahanui            okay, jcamins.
15:22 jcamins            jcamins?
15:23 wahanui            you are very, very irascible.
15:23 jcamins            Listen to wahanui, folks, s/he knows of whence s/he speaks.
15:24 jcamins            BTW, is wahanui male or female?
15:24 druthb             yes.
15:25 druthb             Since wahanui says things that don't make much sense sometimes, I presume male.
15:25 jcamins            lol
15:25 magnuse            hehe
15:29 druthb             hm.  wahanui:  magnuse?
15:29 druthb             wahanui: magnuse?
15:29 wahanui            magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
15:29 druthb             lulz
15:30 * druthb           is very silly sometimes.
15:30 magnuse            yay
15:33 * jcamins          is very grouchy sometimes.
15:33 oleonard           With great power comes great grouchiness.
15:33 jcamins            oleonard: yep.
15:34 oleonard           Also: with great power comes the ability to do something about some of the things that make you grouchy.
15:34 jcamins            Well, we'll see if that's true.
15:40 magnuse            groucho!
15:40 * kf               sends cookies and eats some herself
15:40 * magnuse          imagines jcamins with large painted-on eyebrows and moustache, and smoking on a cigar
15:40 kf                 lol
15:41 * kf               sends some cookies to magnuse and oleonard too
15:41 jcamins            lol
15:41 magnuse            there is no sanity clause!
15:41 magnuse            kf: nom nom!
15:41 kf                 oleonard: I hope you are right - doing something about it is always better than being grouchy, but sometimes it's really really hard to not grouch.
15:42 oleonard           I'm a fan of grouching, but also of doing something about it.
15:44 oleonard           I submitted an update to bug 8661 jcamins, not sure if you want another signoff or not
15:44 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8661 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , break out additional authors in opac like in staff
15:46 magnuse            @later tell wizzyrea: you might want to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars ;-)
15:46 huginn             magnuse: The operation succeeded.
15:46 oleonard           And hey you people who are also regulars, add yourself to that list!
15:47 jcamins            I guess I should update the coding guidelines.
15:47 kf                 oleonard: can I request something for this bug?
15:48 oleonard           kf: Sure
15:48 kf                 oleonard: our data contains the english codes, but that is often not really what end users understand
15:48 magnuse            jcamins: good idea - there were a couple of mails yesterday that struck me as candidates for copying to the wiki
15:48 jcamins            kf: ooh, good idea. css_classes++
15:48 kf                 until we find a good solution for this, could you add a class to make it possible to hide the information?
15:49 oleonard           Which information are you talking about?
15:49 * magnuse          wanders off to make dinner
15:49 kf                 the relator codes
15:49 vfernandes         I want to be on IRC regulars :P
15:49 jcamins            $4 and $e
15:49 jcamins            vfernandes: add yourself to the list!
15:49 kf                 vfernandes: you can add yourself :) totally legal
15:49 kf                 oleonard: they are shown in square brackets behind the names
15:50 kf                 +        <!-- add relator code too between brackets--> << those :)
15:50 oleonard           I see
15:53 vfernandes         how I can add myself? I can only edit channel bot list ...
15:53 jcamins            vfernandes: just edit it. :)
15:54 vfernandes         forget it :P
15:54 jcamins            There's an edit button.
15:54 jcamins            vfernandes: oh, are you logged in?
15:54 jcamins            It doesn't show up unless you're logged in.
15:54 vfernandes         I was looking for it but I wasn't found it
15:56 vfernandes         done
16:00 vfernandes         now I want to be in the thanks list of the next Koha release :P
16:01 oleonard           You're on the right track vfernandes
16:01 jcamins            vfernandes: I think you have a very good chance of that. :)
16:01 jcamins            If you sign off on patches, you can even get thanked twice. :)
16:01 oleonard           kf: Does Bug 9169 get it right?
16:01 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9169 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Wrap authorities relator code in <span> to allow for CSS customization
16:01 vfernandes         :)
16:02 kf                 oleonard: almost - it's not authorities but on bibliographic records
16:02 kf                 but yes, that would be very helpful
16:05 jcamins            Okay, does anyone have a particularly good commit message they would like to propose for my guidelines on commit messages.
16:05 jcamins            *?
16:06 * jcamins          just takes a random commit message he wrote.
16:11 kf                 heh
16:12 kf                 jcamins: I think I like guidelines, but we should try not to scare new contributors away
16:12 kf                 so maybe be a bit lenient with people not so experienced? :) only a gentle reminder to us all
16:13 jcamins            kf: yes, but the people who are failing to follow them are almost universally experienced developers.
16:13 kf                 not saying we have a current case
16:13 kf                 but hopefully we will see some new devs during 3.12 release cycle :)
16:13 jcamins            If you're new, I'll guide you through it.
16:14 jcamins            I won't even get annoyed.
16:15 kf                 :)
16:20 reiveune           bye
16:29 jcamins            commit messages?
16:29 jcamins            commit messages is <reply> Please follow the guidelines at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commit_messages when writing commit messages.
16:29 jcamins            commit messages?
16:29 wahanui            Please follow the guidelines at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commit_messages when writing commit messages.
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16:31 * chris_n          is enjoying the stimulating discussion on QA
16:31 jcamins            cdalibtek: you need a forward slash instead of a backslash.
16:31 chris_n            try /join #foo
16:31 chris_n            snap
16:31 libsysguy          did you just join the #foo board chris_n
16:32 chris_n            hehe
16:32 * jcamins          wonders what is there.
16:32 chris_n            well, bar of course
16:32 jcamins            lol
16:32 libsysguy          Wants to start a bar called foo
16:52 * drojf            could use a foo tonic
16:55 talljoy            jcamins: i've got a question on indexes for you if you have a sec.  (or anyone else who loves indices as much as jcamins....)
16:55 drojf              jcamins++ # guidelines!
16:58 talljoy            first let me start with a basic question.  Does the authority indexer work better (or no difference) with dom or grs-1 biblio indexing?
16:58 talljoy            sorry...authority linker
17:00 jcamins            talljoy: DOM.
17:01 talljoy            the linker is working beautifully, btw on this data set.
17:01 talljoy            but the authority page is all showing 0 biblio(s)
17:01 talljoy            and I can't search the catalog for the an=### and get results.
17:02 talljoy            fyi- this is a fresh install (git) 3.8.4 including the makefile and make install run.
17:04 jcamins            talljoy: 3.8.4?
17:04 talljoy            yeah, don't ask.  lol
17:04 jcamins            If I had to guess, I'd say this is probably a result of bug...
17:04 jcamins            (looking)
17:04 talljoy            i can go up to 3.8.5.  but no higher since that the version they are on.
17:05 jcamins            bug 8557
17:05 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8557 normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , in orderreceive.tt and serials-edit.tt the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly
17:05 jcamins            No.
17:05 jcamins            Where did I get that number?
17:05 jcamins            bug 8665
17:05 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8665 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , DOM indexing fails to index some bib records
17:05 jcamins            That said, I've never heard of that being a problem.
17:06 jcamins            And you reindexed the bibs, right?
17:06 talljoy            yes i did.  i am going to move up to 3.8.5 then symlink the kohaclone files to dev and then reindex.
17:07 talljoy            i didn't symlink for this version since it was "installed" from scratch yesterday.
17:08 talljoy            i just feel like i'm missing something obvious about the indexing or config files.  some reason why it won't (or hasn't) indexed 'an'
17:08 talljoy            where is that found the reference to index an?  bib1.att?
17:09 jcamins            talljoy: biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl
17:10 talljoy            okay, i'll poke around there.thanks!
17:10 jcamins            And you did reindex the bibs, right?
17:10 jcamins            Oh, yes, you said that.
17:10 jcamins            Good.
17:11 talljoy            i did.  this is an indexing thing.  i need to upgrade this install and poke around a bit.  Thanks!
17:18 tcohen             jcamins++ for pointing me to gerrit
17:32 * jcamins          prepares to paper the NYS Department of Civil Service with legal threats.
17:33 chris_n            paper or pepper?
17:33 jcamins_away       chris_n: paper.
17:33 jcamins_away       Pepper implies it will be scattered.
17:34 chris_n            :)
17:35 jcamins_away       Papering implies the more accurate, "every single space in that building is going to have a letter from us."
18:11 tweetbot`          [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  NExpress Reports training http://t.co/qpUu2lNo"
18:20 cait               oleonard++ :)
18:24 martian523         hi, after the upgrade to 3.8.7, i got this error when trying to replace / edit record
18:24 martian523         Undefined subroutine &C4::AuthoritiesMarc::GetAuthorizedHeading called at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 667.
18:25 cait               I think there was a bug filed for a mising subroutine in 3.8
18:25 cait               martian523: have you checked bugzilla?
18:26 martian523         nope
18:27 cait               maybe bug 8829
18:27 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , can't import authorities
18:27 martian523         i'm just a librarian, not really know IT stuff
18:27 cait               or hm bug 9110
18:27 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9110 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , GetAuthorizedHeading Can't call method "field" on an undefined
18:27 cait               martian523: being a librarian is nice, I am one too :)
18:27 martian523         pretty nice
18:28 martian523         so is there a bug fix?
18:28 cait               hm still trying to find the bug report I was thinking about
18:28 cait               jcamins_away: ?
18:28 cait               bug 9149
18:28 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9149 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patch 8823 introduces reference to non-existent function
18:28 cait               ok
18:29 cait               I think that last one could be it
18:30 cait               martian523: what you can do - add your problem descrpition to the last bug - it will also add you as cc to the bug report, so you will get notice when something moves there
18:30 cait               hopefully it will be fixed in 3.8.8 (I would think so)
18:30 martian523         so does that mean i can't do any records now?
18:30 martian523         import or add or edit?
18:30 cait               as soon as there is a patch, your it person should be able to fix it
18:31 cait               but there is no patch yet :(
18:31 cait               that's why it would be cool if you updated with your problem - and we can give it a higher severity
18:34 martian523         hopefully it will be fixed very soon
18:34 martian523         i very much appreciate everyone working for koha
18:37 cait               :)
18:42 martian523         i added my comment to the bug, so I would get a notification when someone comment?
18:44 cait               yeah, you shoud be on the cc list on the right side now
18:44 cait               I hope we got the right bug
18:45 martian523         or i can create a new bug? =)
18:46 cait               yep you can do that too :)
18:46 cait               everything worked before your updte?
18:47 martian523         yep
18:48 martian523         i think it's the right bug
18:50 cait               I will keep an eye on it, but you are cc now - so you should see when something happens there
18:50 rangi              If I can track down the root of the problem I'll release a 3.8.7-1
18:50 cait               good morning rangi
18:50 rangi              With the fix
18:51 cait               martian523: rangi is release maintainer - he can actually do that :)
18:51 martian523         thanks
18:51 rangi              First I have to be able to recreate it
18:51 rangi              And I currently can't
18:52 martian523         recreate the authorities?
18:52 rangi              Recreate the bug
18:53 cait               martian523: can you give the exact steps of what you were doing?
18:54 rangi              And what your sysprefs are around authorities
18:54 martian523         so i was trying to replace a record by doing a Z39.5 search, the title came out, uploaded it,
18:55 martian523         but can't save it,
18:55 martian523         i haven't changed anything in authorities
18:55 martian523         it's been fine before the update to 3.8.7
18:57 cait               martian523: can you go into the system preferences editor and look what your settings are on the authorities tab?
18:58 martian523         i'm there
18:58 martian523         which preference
18:58 martian523         autocreate? biblioadds?
18:59 cait               just list them up to down maybe?
18:59 martian523         autocreate -- generate
18:59 cait               the pref and the setting, don't have to give the whole sentence - will make it easier to get into the same situation
18:59 martian523         biblioadds -- allow
19:00 martian523         dontmerge -- don't
19:00 rangi              Try switch autocreate off please
19:00 martian523         useauthorities -- use
19:00 * francharb        waves
19:04 rangi              Hi francharb
19:04 cait               hi francharb
19:05 martian523         o nice, fixed
19:05 francharb          hi rangi cait
19:05 martian523         but why would the settings change by itself?
19:05 rangi              It didn't
19:06 rangi              It's just a work around
19:06 martian523         but it was working fine before?
19:06 martian523         o, so it's just a temporary fix?
19:06 rangi              There is a bug in autocreate
19:06 rangi              Well it wasn't it was creating duplicate authorities
19:06 rangi              But it appeared to be fine
19:07 rangi              In trying to fix that autocreate was broken
19:07 cait               sounds a bit complicated
19:07 rangi              When that is fixed you can switch it back on
19:07 cait               rangi++
19:08 martian523         ok...that will be in the next update i suppose?
19:08 rangi              Could you update the bug saying if you turn autocreate authorities off you can work round this
19:08 rangi              So others know
19:08 rangi              And yes December 22
19:08 rangi              Unless I decide it's more urgent
19:08 martian523         ok, but would this work around create new problems?
19:09 rangi              It won't autocreate authorities
19:09 cait               so you will have to manually create and link them I think
19:10 rangi              You probably should be doing that anyway :)
19:11 martian523         o ok
19:11 rangi              Autocreate is a hack you kinda lose the value of authorities if you create new ones for every record
19:12 rangi              In theory you should get authorities from an authoritative source
19:12 rangi              Like library of congress
19:12 rangi              And link your bibliographic records to them
19:13 rangi              But I know in practice autocreate is useful
19:13 rangi              So we will fix it
19:17 martian523         thanks
19:22 jcamins            Hm, yeah, need to figure out what happened to 3.8.x.
19:23 tweetbot`          [off] twitter: @BulganUgur: "Her ay alt sürüm, 6 ayda birde yeni sürüm çıkaran kütüphane otomasyon programı var mı? #kohails"
19:23 jcamins            What perplexes me is that I wrote the patch that added it against 3.8, then forward-ported it.
19:23 * McCloud[A]       is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes
19:25 * magnuse          upgrades to 3.8.7
19:26 cait               magnuse: brave ;)
19:27 magnuse            the problem you are talking about now is just to do with authorities, right?
19:27 rangi              yeah, and it seemed to work fine, but we both may have not had autocreate switched on
19:27 rangi              magnuse: yep
19:28 jcamins            rangi: no, I definitely had AutoCreateAuthorities turned on because that was where there was a bug.
19:28 rangi              *nod* i was pretty sure I had too
19:28 rangi              im gonna git bisect to find it
19:28 rangi              will let you know
19:28 cait               side effect from something else?
19:28 jcamins            Thanks.
19:28 jcamins            cait: yeah, I'm thinking maybe a merge error.
19:28 rangi              thats my guess
19:34 magnuse            wow, copying tinymce-files are a *huge* part of running "translate install"...
19:35 oleonard           tinymce files are *huge* in general.
19:35 jcamins            Ironic.
19:36 magnuse            hehe
19:37 magnuse            oleonard: do you have a plan for moving tinymce out of the language specific dirs?
19:37 oleonard           Sounds like a good idea, but it wasn't on my radar before
19:37 cait               magnuse: you got volunteered to open a bug :P
19:38 oleonard           magnuse: Does tinymce handle localization correctly by default?
19:38 magnuse            oleonard: don't know...
19:39 magnuse            hm, i can't remember seeing strings from tinymce in the translations. cait: can you?
19:39 cait               not really
19:40 magnuse            when i choose norwegian i still see tooltips in tinymce in english
19:40 cait               *sigh*
19:40 oleonard           Yeah, it has a "langs" directory but it only includes en
19:40 magnuse            ah
19:40 oleonard           Maybe it's possible to use a configuration file like we do with the datepicker
19:41 * magnuse          would think there are already translations for it
19:41 cait               i think maybe we have to teach it to find out which language it#s supposed to show
19:41 cait               maybe.
19:41 magnuse            cait: good point!
19:41 oleonard           ...which we could do if we don't mind including all possible language files for all installations
19:42 * magnuse          gotta run
19:42 cait               oleonard: also a good point
19:43 pastebot           "oleonard" at pasted "TinyMCE language files" (41 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/288
19:55 cait               martian523++ :)
19:56 rangi              closing in
19:56 rangi              Bisecting: 15 revisions left to test after this (roughly 4 steps)
19:56 * cait             cheers rangi on
19:56 jcamins            Yay!
19:59 rangi              its 216251e52467cfa3540f16c816ba94c5c0bd499d
20:00 jcamins            Looks like an improper merge.
20:00 jcamins            That's missing one of the two files I changed.
20:01 rangi              interesting
20:01 wahanui            i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:01 rangi              your patch only has the one
20:02 rangi              http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=12540&action=edit
20:02 * rangi            boggles, how in the hell did i get this to work
20:03 rangi              anyway short answer is, we need a follow up with the changes to C4::AuthoritiesMarc
20:03 jcamins            That one's for master.
20:03 rangi              http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8823
20:03 huginn             04Bug 8823: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record  ($9 RLIN)
20:03 jcamins            Okay, the 3.8.x patch was never posted.
20:03 rangi              ahh that will be the issue then :)
20:04 jcamins            Ummm...
20:04 rangi              could post that .. it could be jsut as a follow up for the one that is there, and ill pick it in
20:05 jcamins            I think maybe the thing to do is a follow-up.
20:05 rangi              yeah
20:05 rangi              with the C4::AuthoritiesMarc changes
20:05 rangi              is probably the safest
20:06 rangi              my bad, i had obviously tested against master then when i went to pick saw it said 3.8.x and went oh i tested on there, and picked it over, did a quick test (and in my 3.8.x one i didnt have autocreate on, i had to turn it on to trigger the bug) so it snuck through
20:07 rangi              (and we have no unit tests that would catch it)
20:08 rangi              ah well, good to have found it
20:08 jcamins            Yeah, I should add unit tests for that.
20:09 cait               :)
20:09 cait               koha++
20:10 cait               so much fun to see you too solving a bad bug
20:10 cait               you 2 even...
20:20 jcamins            Patch uploaded.
20:21 rangi              awesomesauce
20:22 rangi              can i get a sign off on the follow up for 9149 please
20:22 rangi              its pretty easy to test
20:27 jcamins            Heh. Looks like the library cait located doesn't understand the difference between bibs and items.
20:28 cait               haven't done a search actually, butnice newitems feature
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20:29 jenkins_koha       nengard: add note about manual_inv descriptions
20:31 rambutan           http://opac.kalibindia.com/   <- dead links on left menu?
20:33 oleonard           Bug 9172
20:33 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
20:35 jcamins            I remember when we hit 6000 or so.
20:36 oleonard           Instead of saying what year we joined the Koha community, we should say what bug number we started at
20:37 oleonard           "rangi, 0" :)
20:37 jcamins            Heh.
20:38 cait               lol
20:39 cait               do we want to bet?
20:39 cait               on the bug number to be reached for 3.12 release?
20:39 cait               or bug number we will reach... you know what I mean :)
20:39 jcamins            Actually, looks like I started around bug 4366.
20:39 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4366 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, COinS support for MARC21
20:39 cait               not sure what my first one was
20:39 cait               first bug
20:42 jcamins            cait: I looked for the first one I reported.
20:43 cait               hm ah, reporter and sort by bug number?
20:43 jcamins            Yup.
20:43 cait               oh cool
20:43 oleonard           394!
20:43 cait               cait, 3333
20:44 cait               ... and the status of my first bugs is all still new *sigh*
20:44 jcamins            lol
20:44 jcamins            bug 3333
20:44 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3333 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , item status for "not for loan" by item type / item is different
20:44 cait               or it's my search
20:44 cait               hm ok, in part my search, but it was 3333
20:47 oleonard           paul_p's number is 60
20:50 jcamins            Does anyone else find that public lists have broken itemtype images?
20:50 jcamins            In the OPAC.
20:51 oleonard           I noticed that the other day jcamins
20:52 oleonard           I hardly ever have item-level itemtypes off, so I forgot about it right away
20:52 * oleonard         grumbles that every TinyMCE plugin has its own language file in it's own directory
20:54 oleonard           Wow, making TinyMCE translatable for an arbitrary set of languages is going to be a pain in the butt
20:56 oleonard           Perhaps we identify all the plugins Koha uses and build one big language config file for all of them...
20:56 jcamins            oleonard: do we use a lot of TinyMCE plugins?
20:57 oleonard           I'm not sure, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now
20:57 rangi              only in the news isnt it?
20:57 jcamins            That's what I thought.
20:58 oleonard           We use TinyMCE in news, branches, and in editing help
20:59 oleonard           'plugins : "table,save,advhr,advlink,iespell,searchreplace,print,contextmenu",'
21:00 oleonard           Not sure why iespell is in there
21:04 cait               in branches too
21:04 cait               for the new branchnote thing I think
21:04 cait               not sure it's the same editor - but we use a graphical one there, and for the help files
21:05 jcamins            cait: yup, that's where oleonard found it. :)
21:05 oleonard           I wonder if anyone ever uses the "save" button?
21:05 jcamins            oleonard: is there a more-translatable jQuery plugin we should be switching to instead?
21:05 cait               lol sorry, totally overread this
21:06 cait               but hey, do I get full points now for answering the question? :)
21:06 jcamins            lol
21:06 jcamins            Of course.
21:06 cait               yay :)
21:08 * wizzyrea         waves
21:10 cait               hi wizzyrea :)
21:10 jcamins            Hello.
21:11 jcamins            I settled on "Table crepes," with the recipe for making it from scratch labelled "For another roll."
21:12 * jcamins          cracks himself up sometimes.
21:15 chris_n            jcamins is on a roll today
21:15 * chris_n          heads home
21:15 rangi              heh
21:16 oleonard           Hm, it's not clear that one /can/ load custom translations to TinyMCE from a config file...
21:19 jcamins            oleonard: would something like jWYSIWYG be better?
21:20 oleonard           Don't know, but that did look interesting.
21:21 * oleonard         has to leave, more wysiwygging tomorrow I guess
21:21 jcamins            oleonard: oh, that reminds me. I have a bug to report on the floating save button in the syspref editor.
21:21 jcamins            You're welcome. :)
21:22 * oleonard         escapes
21:22 wizzyrea           ahh! floating save button in the syspref editor
21:23 * wizzyrea         sends oleonard lots of chocolate to get that working
21:23 wizzyrea           it's the little things :P
21:26 eythian            hi
21:26 cait               morning eythian
21:26 eythian            it is rather
21:29 jcamins            libsysguy: changing the cataloging module's Javascript from custom disaster to jQuery required only a small patch?!?
21:30 libsysguy          hehe
21:30 libsysguy          well somebody already integrated jquery
21:30 * libsysguy        tips his hat to oleonard
21:30 libsysguy          and somebody removed a whole crapton of js from that file
21:30 libsysguy          idk where it went
21:30 libsysguy          but I was cursing having to rebase my patch
21:31 jcamins            It's in a separate JS file so that the authority editor and bibliographic editor don't diverge again.
21:31 libsysguy          well that makes sense
21:33 libsysguy          I would have left it at large but I didn't want anyone to think I was compensating for something
21:33 jcamins            lol
21:38 * cait             waves to libsysguy
21:38 cait               where have you been hiding? :)
21:39 rangi              hi libsysguy
21:39 rangi              hi hankbank
22:29 jenkins_koha       Starting build #237 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:41 jcamins            @later tell talljoy There was another bug to do with spaces in register types in the DOM configuration file. Search for ": [nwp]" in biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl and remove the space if you find it. The fix was post 3.8.4.
22:41 huginn             jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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23:08 jenkins_koha       * oleonard: Bug 8614 [3.8.x] Icon for scores on OPAC detail page broken
23:08 jenkins_koha       * oleonard: Bug 9106 - Filtering list of uncertain price list by owner empties order information
23:08 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8614 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Icon for scores on OPAC detail page broken
23:08 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9106 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Filtering list of uncertain price list by owner empties order information
23:08 jenkins_koha       Starting build #238 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:46 jenkins_koha       Project Koha_3.8.x build #238: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/238/
23:46 jenkins_koha       oleonard: Bug 9137 - Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
23:46 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
23:47 drojf              so the ccsr theme is only available for english?
23:48 jcamins            drojf: apparently fredericd did not put the PO files on translate.koha-community.org?
23:48 * francharb        waves #koha good bye
23:53 drojf              i think there are more problems with non-english languages. i also get "NetworkError: 404 Not Found -", same for cart.gif. happens with the german version, not the english one
23:56 jcamins            drojf: I think you need to update your translations.
23:56 jcamins            I thought there had been a patch in which those images were eliminated.
23:58 jcamins            Yes, those files don't exist.
23:58 drojf              yes they should be taken from a sprite
23:59 drojf              looks like i really did not update the translation files then