Time  Nick         Message
00:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #67: SUCCESS in 26 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/67/
00:25 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 8953 - opac-userupdate encoding issues
00:25 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: But 8787: don't load the page if OpacMaintenance is ON
00:25 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8910 - silent warnings triggered in about.pl
00:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8953 critical, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, RESOLVED FIXED, opac-userupdate encoding issues
00:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8910 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, RESOLVED FIXED, silent warnings triggered in about.pl
00:36 wizzyrea     squee!
00:36 wizzyrea     and stay fixed!
00:36 * wizzyrea   does a little dance
00:43 mtj          eythian, did your koha-shell script get pushed?
00:43 eythian      mtj: not sure off the top of my head
00:44 mtj          ahh needs signoff bug 8878
00:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8878 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-shell: a command to make using koha commands easier
01:19 eythian      wahanui: germs is also http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
01:19 wahanui      okay, eythian.
01:19 eythian      wahanui: germs
01:19 wahanui      Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
01:19 eythian      wahanui: germs
01:19 wahanui      Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
01:19 eythian      wahanui: germs
01:19 wahanui      rumour has it germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg
01:29 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: ". @arwenamin #kohails already has Solr its been in master since june, is in the 3.10.0 release in a few days, in production already #ndf2012"
02:01 jcamins      bug 8665
02:01 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8665 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , DOM indexing fails to index some bib records
03:48 eythian      wahanui: code smell is http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html
03:48 wahanui      OK, eythian.
05:22 Oak          Ahoy me hearties!
05:54 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#kohails Nice write up about the 2nd Melbourne Koha-oz meeting with helpful format suggestions! Thanks Emily :-) http://t.co/HoVngaCh"
07:30 * magnuse    waves
07:40 reiveune     hello
07:40 magnuse      bonjour reiveune
07:46 alex_a       bonjour
07:51 julian_m     hello
07:51 wahanui      salut, julian_m
07:59 asaurat      hi
08:04 lds          hzllo
08:04 lds          sorry, hello
08:11 gaetan_B     hello
08:58 magnuse      @later tell wizzyrea: if 8941 applies cleanly it would be nice to have in 3.6.x, but don't put too much effort into it
08:58 huginn       magnuse: The operation succeeded.
09:49 magnuse      @arewethereyet
09:49 huginn       magnuse: Not yet - wait 3 days
09:49 magnuse      oh, paul_p around?
09:49 paul_p       magnuse around bodo ? nope ;-)
09:49 paul_p       @wunder bodo
09:50 huginn       paul_p: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (10:20 AM CET on November 19, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady).
09:50 magnuse      hehe
09:50 paul_p       @wunder marseille
09:50 huginn       paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0°C (10:30 AM CET on November 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
09:50 magnuse      yeah yeah, rub it in :-)
09:50 paul_p       I stay in Marseille :D :D
09:50 magnuse      talking of which: are the days for the hackfest settled?
09:50 * paul_p     still working on release notes...
09:50 paul_p       magnuse I think so, because brendan already bought 2 tickets for him and Eliott ;-)
09:51 paul_p       so let it be march 18th - 22th
09:51 magnuse      yay
09:51 magnuse      if we can get someone to watch the dogs i'll bring the whole family
09:51 magnuse      and stay an extra week - easter!
09:52 paul_p       really good idea !
09:53 magnuse      :-)
11:17 nafeesapatel Hi, in the past week or so I have translated some coding to english format and none of my submissions have been reviewed. Have you any idea how long this process will take?
11:52 jcamins_away nafeesapatel: if you mean you submitted patches to Koha, it depends on a lot of factors.
11:53 jcamins      How hard they are to test is the most important one.
11:53 jcamins      Which bugs did you submit patches for?
11:55 jcamins      If you mean on translate.koha-community.org, you might want to send an e-mail to the koha-translate list.
11:59 nafeesapatel yeah i did translate on the koha community...urrm, will you be able to give the me the email for koha-tranlsate?
11:59 jcamins      mailing lists?
11:59 wahanui      mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
11:59 jcamins      ^^ if you are doing translating, you should subscribe to the koha-translate mailing list.
12:03 nafeesapatel yeah i've done that, it's just that I am translating as part of my assignment for university and it's been 2 weeks and I can't do any work until someone accepts my reviews
12:04 nafeesapatel thanks for the help though :)
12:10 jcamins      You should definitely e-mail koha-translate, then.
12:10 jcamins      I just took a look, and it looks like you translated for UK English, and I'm not sure that's maintained at all.
12:12 jcamins      (so I don't know who needs to approve them)
12:15 nafeesapatel mhmm well I have emailed them and I see how it goes from there...is this website active?
12:15 tcohen       morning #koha!
12:23 jcamins      What website?
12:23 wahanui      website is http://www.koha-community.org
12:23 jcamins      wahanui: thanks, but I was asking nafeesapatel.
12:23 wahanui      jcamins: sure thing
12:23 jcamins      (wahanui is a bot)
12:23 jcamins      (wahanui?
12:23 wahanui      (wahanui is a bot, and he sometimes remembers silly things)
12:23 jcamins      (jcamins?
12:24 jcamins      An amusing bot.
12:26 nafeesapatel This koha website because it seems like it's not that's probably why I have not been given any feedback
12:27 jcamins      I don't know what you mean by "active."
12:27 nafeesapatel meaning, it's not updated daily etc
12:27 jcamins      translate.koha-community.org is very active, but koha-community.org is a static website.
12:27 nafeesapatel ok
12:28 jcamins      There wouldn't be anything that needed updating daily even if someone were interested in volunteering hours of their time every day writing content for koha-community.org.
12:31 jcamins      @later tell drojf The solution to everything is to replace Koha with Google!
12:31 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:34 reiveune     bye
12:44 magnuse      gah! why on earth would my records display "norwegian wovels" as garbage in search results but look normal in detail view?
12:51 magnuse      it's the same in the opac and the intranet. using xslt everywhere
12:53 paul_p       magnuse = can it be because search results comes from zebra while detail comes from mySQL ?
12:54 magnuse      yeah, that sounds like it might do it
12:54 jcamins      magnuse: possibly the records are in MARC-8 and getting mangled by Zebra?
12:55 magnuse      ummm... i forgot to reindex after the last import...
12:55 jcamins      That might also have something to do with it.
12:56 * magnuse    blushes
12:58 magnuse      yup, problem solved
12:58 magnuse      thanks paul_p and jcamins
13:00 * magnuse    takes the dogs for a walk
13:15 oleonard     Hideley-ho, Koharinos.
13:29 wajasu       i've mentioned deleting all my auth_header  (authorites) and running misc/link_bibs_to_authorites.pl with auto_generate authorities on.
13:29 wajasu       it seems there are lots of dups.
13:30 wajasu       i think it might be because as each bib is selected and the authority is searched for in the zebra index, non are found.
13:31 wajasu       or at least only two get linked to the same auth record
13:32 wajasu       so its probably fine when you catalog, wait unitl zebra reindexes, and catalog again, but not for a batch routine.
13:32 wajasu       i'll have to look into this tonight.
13:37 jcamins      wajasu: yes, that's correct. The only solution would be to generate authorities one at a time.
13:37 jcamins      link_bibs_to_authorities.pl really was intended for just what the name says... linking.
13:39 jcamins      Ooh, I'm a "developer guy."
13:39 wajasu       ha ha
13:41 * wajasu     off to work
13:44 oleonard     Also, open source means nobody gets paid ever?
13:44 jcamins      oleonard: no, people get paid.
13:44 jcamins      Just not us.
13:44 * oleonard   can confirm that
13:50 libsysguy    ^^ hehe
13:56 oleonard     brb
14:49 oleonard     Hi maximep
14:51 maximep      good morning =)
15:08 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Banning Library District Goes Live on Koha with ByWater Solutions http://t.co/sMxGzD1f #kohails"
15:31 nengard      @later tell jcamins  i know i asked you about the DidYouMeanFromAuthorities preference for the manual, but i can't find it in the irc logs - can you email me a short explanation of how it works? It's the only new feature not in the 3.10 manual yet
15:31 huginn       nengard: The operation succeeded.
15:37 * chris_n    hates it when the wiki lies
15:37 chris_n      oh... and g'morning
15:38 paul_p       phew... 43 pages of enhancements descriptions (LibreOffice document, with screenshots) ... I want this release to be as appealing as possible...
15:39 paul_p       the nightmare being that, now, I'll have to translate all this into french for BibLibre customers...
15:40 oleonard     chris_n: The wiki lies?
15:40 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Banning Library District Goes Live on Koha with ByWater Solutions http://t.co/oMBdjb13"
15:40 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Tagging in Koha 3.6 http://t.co/iaKRu4yk"
15:41 chris_n      oleonard: on the git-bz page: "If you have more patches/commits you can use e.g. HEAD~2, HEAD~commitid etc to specify the range of commits you want to include." is patently false
15:42 chris_n      git-bz does not know how to handle a range of commits
15:42 libsysguy    I thought you had to include the interactive tag
15:42 libsysguy    to make that work
15:42 chris_n      at least not the flavor I received from the git.k-c.org
15:42 libsysguy    which I think it says in the description
15:42 * libsysguy  could be wrong
15:42 chris_n      no word of that on the wiki
15:42 chris_n      -e, yes
15:43 chris_n      but it still only handles one at a time; at least in my case 8-P
15:43 paul_p       chris_n = I thought that, but have found how to make it work
15:43 paul_p       chris_n HEAD~2..HEAD should work
15:44 * chris_n    tries
15:49 chris_n      well its probably a stinking mess, but they're all signed-off (for the second time) and attached
15:50 * chris_n    is not sure they will apply in the order attached, however
15:50 chris_n      paul_p: tnx; bug 7167 is now signed off for the second time
15:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
15:52 chris_n      jcamins ^^
15:52 chris_n      QA team ^^
15:52 chris_n      :)
15:53 chris_n      doesn't bz have a drag-n-drop reorder feature for attachments?
16:00 jcamins_away chris_n: nope. :(
16:03 oleonard     Bug 9106 causes data loss, so it would be great if someone could give my patch a try.
16:03 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9106 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Filtering list of uncertain price list by owner empties order information
16:05 maximep      wow, the 3.10 release notes document is amazing! It really shows how much great work was done
16:08 jcamins      maximep: and yet the first response to the announcement is from someone who refuses to listen to instructions demanding that we volunteer our time for his problem.
16:08 oleonard     In big letters, too.
16:09 jcamins      [off] I wish there were some diplomatic way to say "you should just purchase a commercial ILS and stop bugging us."
16:09 maximep      huh, missed that
16:26 jcamins      nengard: DidYouMeanFromAuthorities was removed. It was replaced by the Did You Mean configuration page.
16:26 jcamins      nengard: that's why you didn't have documentation on it.
16:26 nengard      okay, then that's what i mean
16:27 nengard      i meant the admin page
16:27 nengard      thought the pref was still there too
16:27 jcamins      If it's still showing up, that was a merge error.
16:27 nengard      that page isn't documented either
16:27 nengard      but I do have 2 prefs:   DidYouMeanFromAuthorities
16:27 nengard      IncludeSeeFromInSearches
16:28 nengard      under Searching
16:28 nengard      on master as of this morning
16:28 jcamins      IncludeSeeFromInSearches is something else entirely, but DidYouMeanFromAuthorities shouldn't be there anymore.
16:28 jcamins      I'll write a patch to remove it.
16:29 nengard      jcamins the two prefs are listed in one line on my install
16:29 nengard      that's why i showed them both
16:31 jcamins      Yeah, sounds like a merge error.
16:32 jcamins      Definitely merge error.
16:34 jcamins      I'm glad you pointed that out.
16:39 jcamins      I'm loving the new git-bz.
16:41 jcamins      paul_p: I will be travelling on Wednesday.
16:41 paul_p       jcamins and ?
16:41 jcamins      paul_p: so any bugs you want prioritized for 3.10 should be vigorously plugged today so that they're dealt with tomorrow.
16:42 paul_p       jcamins well, today is almost done for me ;-) but my tomorrow morning i'll check !
16:42 nengard      jcamins so i still need a paragraph or a guide or something to document the new admin page
16:43 jcamins      nengard: yes, I know. However, I can't do anything that takes more than five minutes at the moment.
16:43 nengard      that's fine - a short short something would get me started - i just don't quite get it or i'd do it all by myself
16:44 jcamins      I can e-mail you bullet points.
16:44 nengard      just don't want the release to go out without at least a section -- yes that would be great!!!
16:48 jcamins      Sent.
16:51 nengard      you rock
16:51 nengard      have a great holiday
16:54 jcamins      Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of Harold Lloyd? Apparently he was a staggeringly popular actor in the... 20s.
16:55 oleonard     Yup
16:55 oleonard     You hadn't?
16:55 jcamins      No.
16:56 oleonard     He's the fella hanging off the clock face
16:56 jcamins      Huh. Cool.
16:56 oleonard     http://www.fandor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/harold-lloyd-in-safety-last.jpg
16:56 jcamins      I should see if I can find anything he was in.
16:57 jcamins      The Soviets adored him.
16:58 paul_p       jcamins = yes, I know harold Lloyd
17:24 jcamins      paul_p++ # awesome release notes!
17:24 paul_p       jcamins thx
17:26 paul_p       jcamins = I hope you'll use this framework for the 3.12 ;-) (it's get_bugs.pl --html -u bzlogin -p bzpassword > edit description-3.10.0.csv > get_bugs > edit description.csv > get_bugs >... > copy-paste to LibreOffice the ENH section, and improve formatting)
17:27 * jcamins    plans to.
17:27 cait         hiya
17:28 * cait       had train the trainer training all day long
17:29 oleonard     paul_p: You might have some ideas for bug title guidelines after all that work?
17:29 paul_p       oleonard not only bug title (and, in fact, not bug title first. The description is what I worked the most on. from far !)
17:30 paul_p       bugzilla description can't be edited, sometimes I took the full description from bugzilla description, sometimes from another comment, sometimes from the patch itself. There was no general rule, and that's why I took 1.5 day just for that !!!
17:38 Kabii        jcamins, hey
17:48 moodaepo     In 3.6 is editing print.css the best way to change font weight/size for slip/quick slip printouts on checkouts?
18:12 cait         moodaepo: yes, I think, in later version you can edit them via the notices module - 3.6 is pretty old now, maybe consider an update
18:12 moodaepo     cait: Thanks!
18:17 moodaepo     cait: Yup we need to plan an upgrade sometime. Just to clarify I see in 3.8 there is a "HTML message" option for a notice under section "Notices & Slips" I'm guessing we enable that and modify CSS/HTML tags.
18:17 cait         i think so
18:18 jcamins      But wait, I think there's a problem in 3.8 with HTML slips?
18:20 moodaepo     jcamins: This instance is on 3.6 so any problems with HTML slips are absent :)
18:20 cait         jcamins: haven't heard about it :(
18:21 jcamins      moodaepo: right, but cait suggested upgrading.
18:21 moodaepo     jcamins++
18:21 cait         jcamins: are you referring to what i told you about missing sample data?
18:22 jcamins      cait: no, there's a bug that I was trying to get you to sign off on.
18:22 jcamins      Bug 8378
18:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
18:23 cait         ah
18:23 cait         that's nothing to do with html
18:23 cait         or slips
18:23 jcamins      Oh, okay. :)
18:31 rangi        Morning
18:31 wahanui      somebody said Morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:34 chris_n      g'morning rangi
18:34 * chris_n    sets the cat out some food
18:35 cait         morning rangi
18:35 chris_n      the real problem is the chickens keep chasing the cat off and eating its food
18:35 cait         hi chris_n
18:35 cait         :)
18:35 chris_n      heya cait
18:59 Kabii        hey
18:59 Kabii        im stuck on the apache it works page
18:59 jcamins      Kabii: I'd suggest disabling it: sudo a2dissite default && sudo apache2ctl restart
19:00 jcamins      I'd also speculate that the problem is misconfigured DNS.
19:00 Kabii        that command is not ont he wikik
19:01 jcamins      It's not related to Koha.
19:01 jcamins      The wiki does not replace system administration knowledge.
19:25 magnuse      wow, awesome release notes
19:25 magnuse      paul_p++
19:25 magnuse      the real problem?
19:25 wahanui      the real problem is that I can't get search for an ISBN to show up.
19:27 rangi        yep those relese notes rule
19:28 magnuse      how could anyone not be impressed by that :-)
19:35 cait         and with maori :)
19:35 cait         and a little french :)
19:36 cait         paul_p++
19:45 wizzyrea     oleonard++ - thanks for that patch
19:55 oleonard     Sure thing wizzyrea
20:19 jcamins      Excellent. The Finnish National Library's website is down.
20:19 wizzyrea     erm
20:19 wizzyrea     uh oh?
20:19 magnuse      ohnoes!
20:20 jcamins      Let's hope no one in Finland has any desire to do research!
20:20 oleonard     I'm sure that one comes up often at http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
20:20 rambutan     http://www.nationallibrary.fi/    <-works for me
20:21 jcamins      Hm. Looks like they changed domains in the last month.
20:21 jcamins      It used to be www.lib.helsinki.fi.
20:22 jcamins      And by "used to be" I mean "I accessed it at www.lib.helsinki.fi two weeks ago and there was no message about a change."
20:24 rambutan     you'd think they would have a redirect...
20:25 jcamins      rambutan: you would, wouldn't you?
20:28 oleonard     It's a small country. They just shouted it out the window.
20:29 jcamins      lol
20:33 oleonard     [off] Long enough to see all the MySQL fans are still here.
20:34 jcamins      [off] lol
20:34 nengard      @later tell paul_p you might want to get bug 9107 pushed to 3.10
20:34 huginn       nengard: The operation succeeded.
20:34 jcamins      bug 9107
20:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9107 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , DidYouMeanFromAuthorities syspref obsolete
20:34 jcamins      Oh, yeah, the one I wrote.
20:34 jcamins      Hehe.
20:43 nengard      :) didn't want 3.10 going out with a new pref that isn't really a new pref :)
20:49 Kabii        i set the admin port in the dns config file
20:49 Kabii        \but its not working
20:49 jcamins      Kabii: you can't set ports in DNS.
20:50 jcamins      Kabii: when we were setting this up originally, didn't we decide to set the staff client up on library-intra.domain.com?
21:00 Kabii        no we never talked about that
21:01 Kabii        im with kids hold up
21:05 oleonard     See you tomorrow #koha
21:06 jcamins      Kabii: oh, I got you mixed up with the other person who was just trying to set up Koha on Fedora.
21:12 eythian      jcamins: I'm usually reluctant to suggest disabling the default apache config because doing that can conceal issues.
21:14 jcamins      eythian: I'm not troubleshooting people's Apache configurations unless they're paying me a great deal more than I get paid for hanging around #koha. I figure "disable your default site and look into the underlying problem with your DNS" is better than "sorry, I'm not your sysadmin."
21:14 jcamins      Also, you have to disable the default site if you're only accessing Koha via IP.
21:14 eythian      yeah, fair enough.
21:14 eythian      that's true, I also don't recommend that except for testing environments :)
21:16 seneca       Hello all - quick question: I have a zebra rebuild issue, I think. Symptom is that search results aren't reflecting the actual current status of an item. For example, things that are unavailable are being shown as available and new cover art isn't being displayed.
21:16 seneca       Once you click through to the actual item's page, it displays the updated info
21:17 jcamins      seneca: definitely sounds like an out of sync Zebra index for the first.
21:17 seneca       My cron is set to run "test -x /usr/bin/koha-rebuilt-zebra && koha-rebuild zebra $(koha-list --enabled)" every 5 mins
21:18 jcamins      If you are using packages, use `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full instancename`
21:18 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Open Source Inaccuracies http://t.co/jD4U2cqV #kohails"
21:18 jcamins      Uhh, I presume that's a typo just now?
21:18 seneca       So my cronjob is missing the --full ?
21:18 seneca       yeah, rebuild, not rebuilt :)
21:18 jcamins      No, your cronjob is correct.
21:18 jcamins      But sometimes indexes get out of sync.
21:19 jcamins      By doing a full reindex, you'll get it back in sync.
21:19 seneca       ah
21:19 seneca       ok, thank you
21:19 Kabii        jcamins, im not setting it up via ip
21:20 Kabii        im have a domain name to it
21:20 seneca       that particular cron line was added by the debian package, so I was a bit hesitant to say there was something wrong with it. :)
21:20 jcamins      seneca: no, there's nothing wrong with the cron line.
21:20 seneca       you guys are the best - thanks again!
21:20 wizzyrea     it just happens sometimes that indexes get out of whack
21:21 jcamins      Once the indexes are out of sync, they never get back in sync.
21:21 jcamins      Kabii: in that case, you probably need to adjust your DNS and/or the ServerName directives in your virtual hosts.
21:21 seneca       understood. I just ran the --full version and will ask the librarian to let me know if things are accurate now and the index is staying in sync.
21:21 Kabii        where would that be in the apache 2 config
21:22 seneca       By themselves you mean, jcamins?
21:22 wizzyrea     right, by themselve
21:22 wizzyrea     selves*
21:22 jcamins      seneca: right.
21:22 wizzyrea     you have to do a full reindex to resync them
21:22 seneca       cool
21:22 wizzyrea     but it should be happy after that
21:22 wizzyrea     !
21:22 wizzyrea     :)
21:22 jcamins      Kabii: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha [or whatever you called your instance]
21:22 eythian      seneca: it's not too common, but sometimes some things can cause it.
21:23 wizzyrea     super heavy server load is one that I've observed causing it
21:23 wizzyrea     or a crash
21:24 seneca       well, we did a massive manual clean up of the mysql db a couple of weeks ago. Ran "/usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v" after it to catch zebra up
21:24 seneca       and I think it still may have been out of whack from then
21:24 wizzyrea     oh I wonder if you at some point had two rebuild zebras going at the same time
21:25 jcamins      Uh-oh.
21:25 seneca       hmm.. could be
21:25 jcamins      You ran rebuild_zebra.pl manually?
21:25 seneca       yeah... I'm taking it that's not the correct thing to do?
21:25 wizzyrea     well if you are going to do that
21:25 jcamins      Nooooo.
21:25 wizzyrea     turn off the cron.
21:25 seneca       Pretty sure I got that command from someone on here.
21:25 jcamins      Not with packages.
21:25 seneca       ah
21:26 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "it appears some proprietary vendors are resorting to lies to compete with superior open source offerings #kohails http://t.co/1s7jyEdW"
21:26 seneca       that makes sense
21:26 jcamins      the koha-rebuild-zebra --full library command is the equivalent for packages.
21:26 seneca       ok
21:26 jcamins      You may have permissions issues.
21:26 seneca       so, should I be ok now after running the "--full" version of that command?
21:27 seneca       koha-rebuild-zebra, that is
21:27 jcamins      If the permissions weren't screwed up. If they were, that command may have been a no-op.
21:27 seneca       I saw no errors...
21:27 jcamins      I'm not sure if koha-rebuild-zebra reports any errors in the event of a permissions issue.
21:27 jcamins      eythian: any idea?
21:28 eythian      I think it tends to. Though I haven't seen them myself, I don't get permissions issues :)
21:28 seneca       heheh
21:28 jcamins      eythian: nor do I.
21:28 eythian      best thing to do is see if it fixed your issues, if it has, great :)
21:28 jcamins      But rebuild_zebra.pl doesn't report permissions issues, so I wasn't sure if koha-rebuild-zebra would.
21:28 seneca       well ok then
21:29 jcamins      ^^ best plan
21:29 seneca       What kind of permission errors? File, db, or what?
21:29 jcamins      seneca: file permissions. You can end up with the indexes owned by the wrong user.
21:30 seneca       ah
21:30 seneca       What files, in case I need to fix them.
21:30 jcamins      Ummm... /var/lib/koha/instance/*
21:31 jcamins      The ownership should be koha-instance:koha-instance, I think.
21:31 seneca       looks good, except for "email.enabled" is owned by root
21:31 seneca       root:root
21:32 seneca       but that's world readable and an empty file...
21:32 jcamins      Yeah, that one's okay.
21:33 seneca       OK then. I hope the full reindex fixed everything then
21:33 seneca       Thanks for the guidance
21:34 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Community, why Open Source is more than just releasing code http://t.co/C4V6lFX9 #kohails"
21:34 wizzyrea     ^^ this one is quite good
21:34 jcamins      I just read nengard's post on proprietary vendors.
21:35 jcamins      Sounds like the sort of thing that might be done by a certain company that shall remain nameless.
21:35 wizzyrea     maybe the vendor-who-shall-remain-nameless actually *is* doing that
21:36 * jcamins    thinks it seems likely.
21:37 cjh          wizzyrea++
21:37 rambutan     [off] all right, out with it. Who? Sirsiously?
21:37 rangi        [off] starts with P
21:37 rangi        [off] ends with is
21:38 wizzyrea     ew!
21:38 jcamins      lol
21:38 rambutan     P...P...is...ew...Pisew?
21:39 rangi        [off] oh yeah some fauxpen source company may actually be doing that
21:39 wizzyrea     oh that made me laugh.
21:39 rangi        [off] i was just talking about who said it
21:39 jcamins      eythian: you haven't e-mailed the package signing key yet, have you?
21:39 eythian      jcamins: nope. also doing a migration which is keeping me busy enough.
21:40 eythian      just wanted to get that part sorted while I thought of it.
21:40 jcamins      Good, 'cause I didn't receive it. :P
21:40 eythian      ah, in that case I'll not send it again.
21:41 jcamins      Heh.
21:42 * jcamins    winces.
21:42 jcamins      ohloh things that the number of comments in Koha is "very low."
21:42 eythian      WinCE is pretty terrible, yeah
21:42 rangi        it's true
21:43 eythian      I can believe that
21:43 jcamins      *thinks
21:43 rangi        its nor bad in the code
21:43 rangi        its the SQL
21:43 rangi        according to ohloh most of our code is SQL and not commented SQL
21:43 jcamins      How is 63% of our code SQL?
21:43 rangi        all the .sql files
21:43 eythian      I actually consider it low in the code, too. Maybe I'm just a commenting bigot.
21:43 jcamins      I guess the stupid frameworks?
21:44 rangi        its low in the code, its not very low
21:44 jcamins      A fine distinction, that.
21:44 rangi        its very low in the sql .. but i dont actually care about that :)
21:44 rangi        our pod coverage is actually pretty code
21:44 rangi        good
21:44 eythian      $ find -name *.sql -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l
21:44 eythian      1077567 totaal
21:45 eythian      that's a lot of SQL
21:45 rangi        it counts the sql in the files too
21:45 rangi        in the .pl
21:45 rangi        the ohcount stuff doesnt look at the extensions
21:45 * jcamins    would love to get rid of the frameworks.
21:45 rangi        it looks in the files
21:45 jcamins      Horrid, horrid, horrid.
21:46 rangi        (you can clone the ohcount project and play)
21:46 francharb    see ya #koha
21:47 magnuse      jcamins: let's get rid of marc while we're at it! :-)
21:48 * magnuse    wanders off
21:49 jcamins      magnuse: that'd be nice too, but it least is serves a function with legacy data.
21:49 jcamins      The way we do frameworks does not.
21:49 eythian      wahanui: be magnuse is <reply>let's get rid of marc while we're at it!
21:49 wahanui      OK, eythian.
21:50 jcamins      be jcamins
21:50 wahanui      Have some fudge.
21:50 jcamins      lol
21:51 jcamins      be eythian
21:51 jcamins      Hm.
21:51 jcamins      be wizzyrea
21:51 jcamins      be cait
21:51 jcamins      be kf
21:52 jcamins      be rangi
21:52 jcamins      What, are magnuse and I the only ones who have catchphrases?
21:52 eythian      seems like it.
21:53 wizzyrea     huh.
21:57 wizzyrea     be rangi is <reply>Send a patch!
21:57 * wizzyrea   giggles
21:57 wizzyrea     be rangi
21:57 wahanui      Send a patch!
22:00 rambutan     I'm looking forward to Marshall's stats for 2012.
22:01 jcamins      They're released for Midwinter?
22:01 jcamins      Which, BTW, I could swear only just happened.
22:01 rambutan     donno
22:01 rambutan     InternetLibrarian just happened
22:02 rambutan     and he did present there (w/ Nicole), but I honestly didn
22:02 rambutan     't catch the details
22:14 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Community, why Open Source is more than just releasing code http://t.co/EIfDi7Xd"
22:14 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Open Source Inaccuracies http://t.co/Ec9NRIMU"
22:42 mtj          ^^ wow, nicoles tweet/story above is bizarre
22:46 bag          heya mtj
22:46 bag          it's truth at least what we heard
22:46 * jcamins    believes it.
22:46 jcamins      Is there a question in that e-mail?
22:46 jcamins      Or even a request for anything in particular?
22:46 jcamins      Granted I'm tired, but I can't make heads nor tails of it.
22:47 mtj          pass… :)
22:49 mtj          afaict, its a feature request, asked as a subtle question
22:50 mtj          … and hi #koha
22:51 mtj          bbiab
22:51 jcamins      mtj: I can't even figure out what the desired feature is.
22:51 jcamins      She wants... something... sorted alphabetically.
22:52 * jcamins    leaves the pondering of this as an exercise for others, and heads home.
22:52 mtj          something = "all areas"
22:53 mtj          2 features?, a search tweak - and sorting of bib results
23:01 eythian      It's a reply to the facets stuff without actually being a reply.
23:01 eythian      Probably from someone on digets.
23:01 eythian      *digest
23:26 mtj          yeah, i think youre probably correct
23:40 rambutan     .