Time Nick Message 22:38 wizzyrea it happens 22:38 wizzyrea so yea probably just missed. 22:37 wizzyrea awesome 22:37 jcamins wizzyrea: it does when I do it. 22:37 francharb see ya #koha 22:36 wizzyrea we should probably check to make sure that replace record with ... triggers a zebra update 22:27 Manderson I am making a hand edit to it, and we'll see if the next index run gets it. 22:27 jcamins Manderson: in that case it sounds like it was just missed. 22:26 wizzyrea oh, no I guess not 22:26 Manderson yes...I can edit it by hand and it'll get re-indexed 22:26 jcamins wizzyrea: oh, you weren't around during Manderson's epic triumph over RedHat. 22:26 wizzyrea right - sometimes people change it though 22:26 jcamins Manderson: are you sure than anything is ever reindexed automatically? 22:25 jcamins wizzyrea: the cronjob runs every ten minutes if you are using the default configuration. 22:25 wizzyrea wouldn't hurt to give it a poke, maybe it got hung up? 22:25 Manderson Hmm 22:25 wizzyrea then yea, that seems odd :) 22:25 Manderson the cron runs every 10 minutes. 22:24 wizzyrea it really depends on how often your fast indexer runs 22:24 Manderson an hour ago 22:24 Manderson But doesn't show up with "comics" 22:24 wizzyrea how long ago? 22:24 Manderson The record still comes up when a search is performed for "Doopy" 22:24 Manderson Question: I had a title called "Doopy Derp", and I replaced it with a z3950 record for "Hanna-Barbera Scooby-Doo mystery comics" - it doesn't seem to have been re-indexed. 22:22 cait good night #koha 21:58 jcamins Myshkin just splashed water all over his face when he was trying to steal a sip of my water. 21:58 jcamins Hehe. 21:55 rangi fredericd++ 21:46 smeagol yes..was wondering how to fix that, without a reinstall. thx 21:44 wizzyrea usually that's a problem with the actual permissions on your git repo - apache can't read them 21:43 smeagol Do I have to to change dirs or something in koha-httpd.conf..??? 21:43 smeagol I'm doing a git install and getting these errors.." [Thu Nov 15 16:13:49 2012] [error] [client XXX.XXX.xxx.xxx (13)Permission denied: access to / denied AND (13)Permission denied: access to /cgi-bin/koha/errors/403.pl denied 21:42 wizzyrea oh someone fixed the db, bless them. 21:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #66: FIXED in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/66/ 21:41 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 21:40 Manderson Thank you 21:40 Manderson AH 21:40 jcamins Template::Toolkit. 21:40 Manderson Something template. 21:40 Manderson jcamins: I think of TT as "TrueType"...what is it that you're referring to? 21:31 eythian ah OK. 21:31 jcamins eythian: we have special handling for call numbers. 21:29 eythian though I kind of wonder if it should be solved nearer the source in case it affects other searches. 21:28 eythian oh, it's only callnum, that's not so bad 21:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9087 normal, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , In Search.pl if there is parenthesis in itemcallnumber the link is broken 21:28 eythian won't the patch for bug 9087 actually change the query? 21:22 rangi yep 21:20 jcamins Much. 21:20 jcamins 'Cause it's easier to jam a TT output filter into Koha than an XSLT filter. 21:20 jcamins Why, you ask? 21:19 * jcamins is thinking of using TT instead of XSLT for generating printed catalogs. 21:18 jcamins Great, thanks! 21:18 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/chrisc_presentations/kohacon_hackfest/html/slide004.html 21:17 rangi yep 21:17 jcamins rangi: you had an example of using TT to process MARCXML directly. Do you know where that is? 21:17 mtj and let my vote at the meeting, do the talking 21:15 mtj i think im gonna stay as much out of the debate, as possible 21:14 jenkins_koha Starting build #66 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 2 mo 2 days ago) 21:12 wizzyrea so, squee. 21:12 wizzyrea That's actually winning. :P 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8792 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Babeltheque tab is useless 21:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, RESOLVED FIXED, opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface 21:11 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8792 : Babeltheque: Remove the unused tab on the opac detail page 21:11 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 4177 opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface 21:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #65: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/65/ 21:11 * chris_n hopes so 21:10 cait but we won't leave it without a vote! 21:09 cait got to be an interesting meeting 21:09 rangi yup 21:09 chris_n and thus the chore of debating license upgrade begins... :-) 21:05 cait drojf: I am still here 21:00 oleonard See ya #koha 21:00 francharb :) 20:59 wizzyrea that's cool, glad to have that cleared up - and now that you say it I see the warning in my mind 20:59 wahanui slef: I forgot above 20:59 slef wahanui: forget above 20:59 wizzyrea ok, so for the opac it's always the patron's home library, and in the staff it's the logged in library 20:59 wahanui rumour has it above is the result of apachectl -S. Sorry for pasting directly 20:59 francharb above? 20:59 francharb ;) 20:59 francharb see the oleonard comment above 20:58 francharb and then 20:58 francharb is your login location 20:58 francharb your default location set up for the hold your put for a patron 20:58 oleonard Confirmed: It is the logged-in library which is the default in the staff client. You are warned if this is different from the patron's home library 20:58 francharb if you are a librarian 20:58 wizzyrea afaik 20:58 wizzyrea in the opac 20:58 wizzyrea the default for patrons is their home library 20:58 drojf myinternetconnection-- 20:57 francharb b the one you chose 20:57 cait than 20:57 francharb a. your home library or 20:57 cait wizzyrea: I was thinking maybe staff is different then opac 20:57 francharb you're defaut pick up library is : 20:57 francharb if you are a patron 20:57 francharb different perspective 20:57 francharb cait, wizzyrea 20:57 francharb no non 20:56 wizzyrea well now I'm not 20:56 cait ah cool that's what I wanted to say, but I think it didn't came out 20:56 oleonard Oh, conflicting answers 20:56 wizzyrea are you sure? 20:56 francharb right 20:56 oleonard cait: The logged-in library is the default 20:56 wizzyrea but the default is the patron's home library 20:56 wizzyrea they too can change the pickup location 20:56 cait I mean the default library offered in intranet when you place it 20:56 francharb we should collect every little story on this channel! Koha : you don't get it? here is a little story to make it clear... Once upon a time a librarian who lived in... ;⁾ 20:56 cait wizzyrea: what's default for staff placing holds for someone? :) 20:54 wizzyrea you're welcome :) 20:54 francharb thank you cait wizzyrea 20:54 francharb wizzyrea++ 20:54 wizzyrea hey eythian 20:54 cait yep 20:53 wahanui what's up, eythian 20:53 eythian hi 20:53 wizzyrea make sense? 20:53 wizzyrea when the item arrives at town 2, they check it in, they are the issuing library, they fill the hold, they send the notice 20:53 wizzyrea her home library is town 1, but she picks them up at town 2 20:53 wizzyrea so she sets her holds to come to town 2, because town 1's library is closed when she gets off of work 20:52 wizzyrea she works in town 2 20:52 wizzyrea patron a lives in town 1, and town 1 is her library 20:52 wizzyrea :D 20:52 * cait will be quiet now :) 20:52 wizzyrea let me tell you a story 20:52 cait now you got me confused :) 20:52 francharb :) 20:52 wizzyrea those aren't always the same 20:52 wizzyrea no 20:52 cait ah, always the home library of the patron? 20:51 wizzyrea no no, it's always the pickup library. 20:51 cait I tihnk if the hold is created in staff it's probably the library the staff person is logged in to? (again guessng) hehe 20:51 wizzyrea yep, but if the patron picks a different library, it will send a notice from there. 20:51 cait oh 20:51 francharb wizzyrea, cait : is the patron library the default pick up location when a patron put an hold on a book ? 20:50 wizzyrea or the library where the book is waiting. 20:50 wizzyrea basically, the library that issues the book sends the notice 20:50 cait this way you can put in pickup conditions 20:49 cait makes sense 20:49 wizzyrea regardless of who the patron belongs to 20:49 wizzyrea the library where the hold is actually filled sends the notice 20:49 wizzyrea it's the pickup library 20:49 wizzyrea no no, you're right 20:49 wizzyrea the patron's home library 20:49 cait I would guess the pickup library 20:49 francharb :) 20:49 cait I have no idea 20:49 francharb the patron library? 20:49 francharb which library koha take into consideration to send the correct HOLD notice? 20:48 francharb if I define a HOLD notice for library A and another HOLD notice for library B 20:47 cait :) 20:47 francharb got a question for you guys and ladies! you're sooooo lucky! :) 20:46 francharb how are you all doing? 20:46 francharb hi all 20:43 wizzyrea hi slef, bye slef 20:42 slef hi all... bye all... 20:31 wizzyrea \o/ 20:31 rangi south_taranaki++ 20:31 wizzyrea oleonard: that's really cool! 20:31 rangi yay 2 more library cards 20:29 chris_n three bugs keep me from signing off, otherwise it behaves as advertised 20:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements 20:28 * chris_n finishes up about an hour or so of testing on bug 7167 20:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #65 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 2 mo 2 days ago) 20:05 wahanui paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 20:05 trea paste? 20:04 santy ok thanks all 20:03 rangi yep 20:03 cait i wold try mailing the koha-translate mailing list 20:03 santy ok, so I should then subscribe to the mailing lists and contact nengard, right? 20:03 cait some people have figured out how to do it using po files 20:02 rangi http://koha-community.org/roles-3-12-koha-release/ 20:02 jcamins santy: nengard is the documentation manager. 20:02 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 20:02 jcamins mailing lists? 20:02 jcamins lists? 20:02 santy and where are the koha-translate lists 20:02 rangi ill just find the messages int he mailing list 20:01 santy ok, so be it... but.. who is the documentation manager? 20:01 santy hi rangi! 20:01 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @sallyheroes: "@UniLib Have you investigated #kohails? http://t.co/bt2qoOPc" 20:01 rangi santy: talk to the documentation manager, and look on the koha-translate lists, and archives, some spanish speakers have already done most of it 20:00 rangi oleonard: does what it should when i rotate the phone too 20:00 santy I would like to translate Koha's 3.8 manual to spanish and post it at koha-community.org... what do I have to do? 20:00 rangi it works ! 19:59 santy hi everybody! 19:59 * oleonard crosses his fingers 19:58 rangi im looking on my phone 19:58 rangi ohh yes please 19:58 oleonard [off] anyone want to see the new responsive version of my library's web site? Just about ready for launch: http://dev.myacpl.org/ 19:56 cait heh 19:56 wizzyrea good <time of day> 19:55 * cait waves back :) 19:55 * wizzyrea waves 19:55 cait I would think so :) 19:53 rangi 2000 by the end of the year eh? 19:53 rangi 1974 in libwebcats 19:45 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@mbreeding seems to be a quite a few moving from symphony to #kohails at the moment, we are doing a migration at the moment too" 19:35 cait yep :) 19:33 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=17430 19:33 rangi hmm this is pretty neat 19:23 rangi back 19:01 rangi My stop bbiab 18:36 drojf morning rangi 18:33 chris_n heya rangi 18:33 cait morning rangi 18:32 wahanui well, Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:32 rangi Morning 17:58 tcohen bye paul_p 17:52 paul_p see you tomorrow morning #koha ! 17:18 * drojf waves to cait 17:08 * cait waves 17:07 drojf eew DDG has a serious spam problem in their forum 17:05 * drojf drinks to french monks 17:05 drojf chartreuse o'clock 17:03 jcamins It is a shame that my facile description is the only part of that which would be easy. 17:02 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, drojf 17:02 paul_p OK, thanks wahanui 17:02 drojf wahanui: what? 17:02 wahanui duckduckgo is in the MS camp, so that's probably why it's showing twisted results, especially if they see rhcl's OS id'ing as linux 17:02 drojf duckduckgo 17:02 paul_p drojf DDG ? 17:01 drojf oleonard: it did not so far, but i think my point was considered valid. they have this disambiguation thing in DDG and k-c.org is considered "official website" for koha (library system), still thefork™ is 1st result for "koha" before disambiguation. my point is that "official website" status should have more influence in the result of the general search results 17:01 jcamins I require a way to turn a search into a list of records which I can then download. 16:59 oleonard Does that work drojf? 16:57 drojf he should know koha from me complaining about listing k-c.org not on top for all searches :D 16:57 jcamins rambutan: no, it's a small special library in India. 16:56 jcamins drojf: ah, I don't know much about it. It's on my to-do list. 16:56 rambutan or a support company maybe? 16:56 drojf yes, but i think it's a once a year thing. ddg community gets to vote for some projects and he chooses some and gives a percentage of his revenue 16:56 rambutan is dgl a private library or something -- "owner"? 16:55 jcamins drojf: dgl-library suggested contacting them... the owner sponsors open source projects. 16:54 drojf jcamins: what's that about DDG and funding the search functionality? 16:27 dgl-library1 jcamins: Have a good day (or night, as the case may be). 16:27 dgl-library1 jcamins: Yes, just did that. Thanks for helping me with that little experiment. I guess I'll try to upgrade to 3.8.x once I figure out how to set up SSH (tomorrow morning), because I'll have to do it remotely. 16:26 jcamins dgl-library1: unfortunately, the best I can advise is to reverse the changes to default.idx, reindex, and go back to not using ICU. 16:21 jcamins dgl-library1: I did not, but it's still on my to-do list. 16:21 dgl-library1 OK, reindexing is done. Looks like 3.6.x doesn't like ICU. 16:21 dgl-library1 By the way, on another tangent, did you ever get in contact with the CEO of duckduckgo.com about funding and tech assistance for the search functionality? 16:17 jcamins I generally follow up instructions that must be repeated verbatim with the instruction "Exactly like that," since most people don't actually pay attention to my instructions. ;) 16:16 dgl-library1 jcamins: I understand, and I appreciate your help. 16:16 jcamins Remember, I don't have access to your server, and wouldn't look at it unless I were being paid to. You have to filter all my advice through your own knowledge of how you set things up. 16:15 kf bye all 16:15 jcamins In that case you probably didn't call your instance "library." 16:14 dgl-library1 This is weird: sudo: unknown user: library-koha 16:13 jcamins sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full library 16:13 dgl-library1 jcamins: How do I do that? 16:12 jcamins dgl-library1: did you reindex? 16:12 dgl-library1 jcamins: I tried sudo service koha-common restart and I also tried rebooting 16:11 jcamins dgl-library1: after reindexing? 16:11 dgl-library1 jcamins: I made those changes, and now I get no search results at all. 15:54 jcamins So people with 512MB of RAM can continue to use Koha with Zebra, and the rest of us can use Koha with Solr. 15:53 jcamins If we could use Zebra's built-in faceting, that make it much easier to switch between Zebra and Solr. 15:53 jcamins paul_p: Solr will never be an option on a machine with 512MB of RAM. 15:52 paul_p jcamins = that could work, but I feel that could be tricky (and not a long term solution anyway. The long term one is : use solr) 15:50 jcamins I read about that somewhere and wondered why I'd want to. 15:50 jcamins paul_p: I believe -- though I haven't tried it -- that I can add an additional type of index. 15:49 dgl-library1 jcamins: I can't do much on Linux without the desktop. :( Will keep searching. 15:49 paul_p just change 2 lines in the file of index types, right 15:49 jcamins I only see index types. 15:48 jcamins How do you specify that a Zebra server is supposed to be an ICU instance instead of a CHR instance? 15:48 paul_p jcamins yes I'm (but I may have missed something) 15:47 jcamins paul_p: are you sure? 15:47 paul_p (and if you've a male and a female, that will soon be a complete family :D :D) 15:47 jcamins dgl-library1: yes, of course. 15:47 paul_p jcamins because you can't have both CHR & ICU (or you need 2 zebras) 15:47 dgl-library1 jcamins: you're talking about command-line access, not graphical access, right? 15:46 paul_p yes, I confirm we "get Unicode out of Zebra's indexes, you just can't search them" 15:46 jcamins paul_p: the non-ICU option. 15:46 paul_p jcamins CHR ? 15:46 kf talljoy: thx to you too :) 15:45 jcamins paul_p: anyway, my question is: we make facets only out of a subset of indexes. Why don't we just use CHR for faceting indexes? 15:45 jcamins Linux, *BSD, and Mac computers will all already have an SSH client installed. 15:44 talljoy looks good kf. thanks a bunch! 15:44 jcamins If you use Windows at home, you can download putty as an SSH client. 15:44 kf talljoy: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#10_Data_Migration_Heuristics_.2820_min.29 :) 15:44 dgl-library1 ssh + ? 15:44 jcamins One day we hope that Windows will have as good an option. 15:43 jcamins Only way to go. 15:43 jcamins dgl-library1: SSH. 15:43 jcamins liw: it seems like the problem might be changes to the packaging system in Ubuntu 12.04 getting in the way of building packages for Squeeze. 15:43 dgl-library1 jcamins: By the way, (heading off on a tangent while I copy the text) since you normally work via remote access, what's the best way to do secure remote desktop access on Linux, bypassing firewalls? On Windows I can use LogMeIn, but on Linux I haven't got a clue. 15:43 jcamins Though "raw" works just fine for me. 15:42 dgl-library1 k 15:42 jcamins *lines 15:42 jcamins dgl-library1: copy them one at a time. 15:42 liw jcamins, cool, then I don't need to feel guilty for not having a solution 15:42 dgl-library1 jcamins: Dumb question, but how can I copy that without the line numbers? the "raw" link doesn't do anything. 15:42 jcamins liw: eythian took over. :) 15:42 liw jcamins, did you get the recommends problem fixed? 15:41 jcamins paul_p: if you _don't_ have ICU enabled, you still get Unicode out of Zebra's indexes, you just can't search them, right? 15:41 jcamins And, yes, but it doesn't matter. 15:41 jcamins dgl-library1: that was to paul_p. 15:40 jcamins dgl-library1: sudo service koha-common restart 15:40 dgl-library1 jcamins: So I'll be creating gibberish? 15:40 dgl-library1 jcamins: I'll restart the server, guess that'd do it? I dunno how to restart zebra. 15:40 talljoy go ahead. no problem at all. i used the default license but figure i should've used a creative commons license for it. suggestions on which type of CC license? 15:40 jcamins The problem is that with ICU you get gibberish out of Zebra's indexes. 15:40 kf talljoy: this page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#10_Data_Migration_Heuristics_.2820_min.29 :) 15:40 jcamins paul_p: I was thinking about your concerns with faceting in Zebra/PazPar2. 15:39 jcamins Oh, and you have to restart Zebra. 15:39 kf talljoy: mind if you put the link on the wiki too? for kohacon12? 15:39 jcamins dgl-library1: not by adding the file. 15:39 dgl-library1 jcamins: Am I risking any damage by adding that file? 15:39 paul_p jcamins sir, yes sir ! 15:39 jcamins dgl-library1: and, of course, you'll have to reindex after you do that. 15:39 jcamins paul_p: around? 15:39 dgl-library1 jcamins: Caveat acknowledged. Thanks. 15:39 jcamins Right... I have a question. 15:38 jcamins dgl-library1: however, I repeat my earlier caution: I don't know if that's all there is to it for a 3.6.x package install. 15:38 talljoy your welcome! 15:38 kf talljoy: thx! 15:37 jcamins And then editing /etc/koha/zebradb/etc/default.idx to have "icuchains words-icu.xml" instead of "charmap word-phrase-utf.chr" 15:37 dgl-library1 Thanks, checking that now 15:37 jcamins dgl-library1: you could also try creating words-icu.xml in /etc/koha/zebradb/etc: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/etc/words-icu.xml;h=38af51fae528b6c9286d2a488a2faf99e01afe6a;hb=HEAD 15:34 dgl-library1 jcamins: So upgrading to 3.8.x is the answer, then. I imagine that entails other major changes, though. 15:30 reiveune bye 15:30 talljoy kf: http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/15192180 15:21 jcamins Confirmed. 15:21 dgl-library1 brb 15:18 jcamins I'll confirm. 15:18 jcamins I think so. 15:18 dgl-library1 But it's included in the standard 3.8.x install? 15:17 jcamins And I've never tried setting ICU up manually so I don't really know where it goes. 15:16 jcamins The problem is that 3.6.x doesn't have words-icu.xml file you need. 15:16 dgl-library1 Oh. :( 15:16 jcamins That was a response to you being able to handle it. :) 15:16 dgl-library1 I'm all ears. 15:16 jcamins Yeah. 15:16 dgl-library1 Can I do it in 3.6.x? 15:16 dgl-library1 I can handle that. 15:16 jcamins In one file. 15:15 jcamins two lines. 15:15 jcamins And I should point out when I say "it's complicated," we're going to be changing... 15:15 dgl-library1 jcamins: I suppose that does! 15:14 jcamins No. 15:14 jcamins dgl-library1: if it makes you feel better, I'm not sure I've ever installed Koha on a computer I had direct access to. 15:14 dgl-library1 Is there any other way for me to make search work in other languages besides this clearly complicated way? 15:14 jcamins I have my own packages so I don't have to worry about editing files. 15:13 dgl-library1 I suppose it's a good reason to upgrade to 3.8.x, then, but I'm going to have to do it via a remote desktop connection. Not ideal 15:13 dgl-library1 Oh. 15:12 jcamins dgl-library1: I am not 100% sure what it would involve in production. 15:11 Manderson /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-ctl.sh stop/start/restart 15:11 dgl-library1 jcamins: What would it entail with 3.6.x? 15:11 Manderson I hacked koha-zebra-ctl.sh, and it's almost as easy... 15:10 jcamins Manderson: still seems less convenient than "sudo service zebra stop" 15:10 dgl-library1 :| 15:10 jcamins dgl-library1: it's a lot more complicated with Koha 3.6.x. 15:09 dgl-library1 jcamins: Hi, I'm back, and it looks like you're still awake :) If you have time, I'd be grateful if we can continue with the ICU installation 15:09 Manderson just wanted to throw that tidbit out there. 15:09 Manderson Redhat doesn't have the 'daemon' command, and I find that `pkill zebrasrv` works quite well 15:08 jcamins Manderson: yes, because the daemon command allows us to manage the daemon, whereas -D just allows us to detach it. 15:08 Manderson Hi...we were talking the other day about why Koha uses the 'daemon' command to launch zebrasrv into the background when zebrasrv has it's own daemonize flag (-D) 14:51 kf no cookies for both of you! 14:51 drojf might be smog :D 14:51 * drojf walks off into the fog for shopping 14:50 jcamins :D 14:50 drojf great idea. she will be so happy 14:49 jcamins We should find some work for her. 14:49 jcamins drojf: true. 14:48 drojf she's probably bored because there is so little work after her vacation :P 14:48 * kf hides 14:48 kf wah 14:47 drojf :) 14:47 jcamins Ooh, kf is doing our homework? 14:46 kf drojf: :P 14:46 drojf kf: can you do my homework too? :) 14:40 kf talljoy_afk: so I am trying to make him a list of related presentations from the koha community - it's for a presentation he has to do 14:40 kf talljoy_afk: I have a student asking how migrations work for libraries 14:38 talljoy running to the car shop atm. brb 14:38 talljoy hey kf. really? i'll see if i can get them to you. 14:38 kf talljoy: around? I was looking for your slides from kohacon :) 13:40 jcamins That's somewhat problematic. 13:40 dgl-library1 I have to step away from the computer for the moment, but I'll read your messages when I get back 13:39 dgl-library1 nope, 3.06.04.000 13:37 jcamins And you're running Koha 3.8.6, right? 13:37 jcamins Okay. 13:36 dgl-library1 jcamins: the location is /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml 13:33 jcamins (either enabled ICU or reverted the changes) 13:32 jcamins dgl-library1: I should point out that enabling ICU will involve a complete reindex, and once you have started the process, searches will not work until you have finished. 13:28 jcamins It will either be at /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml or /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml. 13:28 wahanui i think libsysguy is dealing with infinity when dealing with spansets 13:28 tcohen ok libsysguy 13:28 jcamins dgl-library1: I just want to know where it is. 13:28 libsysguy probably not today tcohen, tomorrow is my day dedicated to testing and sign-offs 13:28 dgl-library1 It'll be a few minutes before I can access the server. What's the usual path to koha-conf.xml? And what do I need to do once I find it? 13:27 tcohen i'll be till later at work today to have more time to fix anything that arises 13:27 tcohen libsysguy: did u have the time to check those patches for the calendar? 13:27 dgl-library1 Hang on, I'll check 13:26 wahanui jcamins: wish i knew 13:26 jcamins wahanui: huh? 13:26 wahanui well, koha-conf.xml is a config file, not a port 13:26 jcamins Well, where is koha-conf.xml? 13:26 dgl-library1 It was like 11 months ago that I installed Koha… I can't remember :( 13:25 * jcamins just remembered. 13:25 jcamins The package installs all the files you need. 13:25 jcamins You used packages, didn't you? 13:25 jcamins dgl-library1: actually, wait. 13:25 jcamins drojf: lol 13:25 jcamins You can edit the configuration files manually. 13:25 drojf mtompset did it several times a day ;) 13:25 dgl-library1 How do I do it? 13:24 jcamins I do it once a month. 13:24 dgl-library1 And tonight is my last night physically present for this project. So if there's any other way…… 13:24 jcamins Not really. 13:24 dgl-library1 I think reinstalling is a major, major undertaking. 13:24 dgl-library1 Thanks drojf! Let's make it a strong one. 13:23 * drojf pours some coffee for jcamins 13:23 jcamins And the only method I am currently awake enough to explain. 13:23 dgl-library1 Wow. 13:23 jcamins That's the easiest way to do it. 13:22 dgl-library1 I'm sorry, you've lost me. I need to reinstall Koha? 13:22 jcamins The easiest thing to do is go through Makefile.PL again. 13:21 jcamins Hm. 13:20 dgl-library1 OK. How do I install that and get koha to use it? 13:20 jcamins I Components for Unicode. 13:18 dgl-library1 Intensive Care Unit? 13:16 jcamins dgl-library: you need to use ICU. 13:16 dgl-library1 Hi oleonard 13:16 dgl-library1 Is there a setting we need to change or something to activate unicode use? 13:16 oleonard Hi #koha 13:16 dgl-library1 When we enter a search term in a foreign (Unicode) language, no matter how small or large the search term, the results include ALL foreign-unicode titles, whether relevant or not. 13:12 jcamins dgl-library: hard to say, but ask your question and we'll find out. 13:12 dgl-library I wonder if anyone can answer a question about strange unicode search behavior 13:12 wahanui i think libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer 13:12 dgl-library Hey libsysguy 13:12 wahanui dgl-library is in India 13:12 libsysguy hey dgl-library 13:10 dgl-library Hi #koha 13:08 libsysguy :p 13:08 libsysguy harsh man 13:06 jcamins Yes, that's why I lost interest. 13:05 libsysguy you've got to see it since its coming through 3.12 13:05 libsysguy i'll wait a couple of weeks 13:05 jcamins I lost interest. :P 13:05 libsysguy heh 13:05 jcamins libsysguy: not really. 13:04 libsysguy i suppose you are waiting patiently for me to rebase it? 13:04 jcamins I was curious what it looked like. 13:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7882 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Patch doesn't apply , move or reorder 6xx and 7xx fields 13:04 jcamins For bug 7882. 13:04 tcohen whihc one? 13:03 jcamins tcohen: libsysguy's patch didn't apply. 13:03 tcohen jcamins, bad news? 12:56 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 12:56 druthb druthb? 12:55 jcamins Told you there was bad news. 12:55 wahanui jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. 12:55 tcohen jcamins? 12:55 libsysguy of course it doesn't 12:55 libsysguy aww soab jcamins 12:55 druthb lulz 12:55 wahanui i guess good news is it looks like it's running properly. 12:55 druthb wahanui: good news? 12:54 libsysguy especially coming from jcamins 12:54 jcamins Not quite. 12:54 jcamins lol 12:54 wahanui bad news is that you're probably royally screwed 12:54 jcamins Bad news. 12:53 tcohen morning jcamins, #koha 12:52 jcamins lol 12:52 * libsysguy now waits for jcamins to fail it 12:50 libsysguy oops 12:50 libsysguy yeah it was done awhile ago I just forgot to mark it 12:50 jcamins Cool! 12:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7882 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , move or reorder 6xx and 7xx fields 12:50 jcamins Ooh, you finished your work on bug 7882? 12:46 libsysguy morning jcamins 12:44 jcamins Good morning, #koha 12:37 chris_n g'morning 10:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @celuran: "Such a great #kohails user group meeting! I do love when new people are excited about things I like." 10:26 magnuse mtj: my pleasure :-) 10:26 mtj magnuse++ thanks for updating the meeting agenda 10:21 Oak rangi++ 09:22 * magnuse shouldn't really be spending his time thinking about things like http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Easy_integration_of_external_data_RFC ... 08:25 drojf hi magnuse 08:24 magnuse kia or paul_p and drojf 08:16 kf good morning paul_p 08:16 rangi hi paul_p 08:16 paul_p good morning everybody 08:13 kf rangi++ 08:13 rangi no worries 08:12 Jurgens awesome, got it to work. thanks for that. i just missed the obvious here rangi! 08:10 Jurgens Thanks for that rangi.. 952$3 does make more sense! 08:10 Jurgens ok.. is there away to edit the item level within koha - or would i need to reimport the marc record after having edited it in say MarcEdit.. 08:09 rangi 952$3 is where koha gets it alert from, its at the item level not biblio level 08:09 rangi 300$e is marc21 specific 08:08 clrh hello 08:08 rangi 952$3 08:01 Jurgens As I understand it it should be the Marc 300 $e field... 08:00 Jurgens Hi - I've got a question about a checkout alert - lets say you have an accompanying disk - according to the manual if you've coded in the marc record accordingly, then you should be alerted that an book etc is accompanied by a disk. 07:58 matts hi ! 07:44 cait bbl 07:41 cait heh 07:41 magnuse sadly, there is no norwegian translation of marc21, 'cause we're so special we gotta have our own marc :-/ 07:41 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 07:41 reiveune hello 07:40 magnuse ooh, clever 07:40 cait I think I looked it up in dnb's translation of marc21 07:40 wahanui magnuse: what? 07:40 magnuse that's good to know, wahanui 07:40 cait ah 07:40 wahanui translating is ok of course :) 07:40 magnuse translating 07:37 cait what fields are you looking at? 07:37 magnuse "Reference instruction phrase in subfield $i", eh? clear as ink... 07:33 druthb okie. *poof* 07:32 cait GO TO BED! 07:32 druthb :P 07:32 * druthb reviews the log. Nooooo, that's not what you said. 07:31 cait that's about 2 hours ago 07:31 cait I did tell you when I woke up 07:30 druthb who is it that usually hounds me when I do? A certain German beste freundin, that's who. 07:30 cait I didn't tell you to stay up late! 07:30 cait why me? 07:30 * druthb glares at cait. 07:29 * druthb looks at the time, and gasps. 07:29 druthb huginn++ 07:29 huginn magnuse: Not yet - wait 7 days 07:29 magnuse @arewethereyet 07:28 druthb good. We'll make plans early next week for exact timing. :) 07:28 fredericd I can also 07:27 * druthb pokes fredericd gently 07:26 druthb a week from now. I could do that, if fredericd can. 07:26 cait if you want it to put outside 07:26 cait after release 07:26 druthb How long would we need to wait, to put it outside the "madly translating" window? 07:24 druthb I'm out all weekend, or I'd say do it then. 07:24 druthb hm. We could wait until Sunday night...fredericd? 07:24 druthb couple of hours, and yes. 07:23 cait and people are madly translating right now - how long will it take? and will you be able to generate the fils? 07:23 rangi tomorrow in fact 07:23 cait I think string freeze for 3.8.7 is coming up 07:23 druthb hm? 07:23 cait hm 07:22 druthb translate.koha-community.org IN A 126.96.36.199 07:21 druthb That should be fine; I can notify the translators that things may be wonky for a bit. 07:20 rangi probably not for a couple of hours after that 07:19 druthb (propogation and whatnot, that time need not be precise.) 07:19 druthb :/ hrm. just before, just after? There's some wiggle room. 07:19 rangi im gonna be in a meeting then 07:18 rangi nope 07:17 druthb rangi: Could you make a change at 2200 UTC, 16 hours from now, on that DNS? 07:15 magnuse i couldn't find it, and now i can't see search results from the hlt kete on their koha either 07:15 magnuse oh rangi, wanted to ask you: did the opensearch stuff you used to integrate search results from kete into koha ever get upstreamed? 07:14 alex_a_ bonjour #koha 07:12 rangi cool 07:12 magnuse fredericd++ 07:11 magnuse druthb++ 07:11 druthb Cool. fredericd and I are working out coordination on when to switch over. 07:11 rangi i can make changes tho 07:11 rangi HLT 07:10 druthb hey, rangi: who controls the DNS for koha-community.org? 07:10 lds hello 07:09 lds bonjour 07:07 magnuse and the wife seems quite keen to tag along now, so it might happen :-) 07:06 * magnuse too 07:06 * druthb too. 07:06 * cait wants to go too 07:03 magnuse bag is coming to marseille?!? cool! 07:03 druthb magnuse++ 07:02 druthb cait++ 07:02 magnuse moahahah 07:02 cait you beat me to it :) 07:02 cait magnuse++ 06:59 * magnuse adds voting on the license to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_5_December_2012 06:56 magnuse yay! 06:55 cait morning magnuse 06:54 druthb kia ora, magnuse! :D 06:54 magnuse kia ora cait and druthb and #koha! 05:57 druthb hi, cait. 05:57 cait hi druthb :) 05:50 druthb Sure thing. It's a matter of the "right tool for the job." Koha's the right tool for a library card catalog replacement--but for a digital archive, it's just not the right tool. 05:47 mib_db6j3k Thanks much. 05:45 druthb mib_db6j3k: All of that would imply "digital archive", which Koha *is not*. a link to the file is about all you're gonna get, plus any descriptive metadata you put in the MARC record. 05:44 mib_db6j3k I have few more questions... can Koha do the following: 1) search, add, modify, delete record. view list of documents for a selected record. 2) view pages of a selected document. 3) rotate page clockwise and counter-clockwise. zoom page to various settings. 4) encode indexes for documents in a docCD and in a cache. encode indexes for scanned pages. 05:36 * druthb runs and hides. 05:33 druthb Sure thing. :) 05:33 mib_db6j3k thanks for the help. :) 05:33 druthb It's kludgy, but it works. 05:33 druthb Again, not directly. What some people have done for digital resources like that is store them on a web server somewhere, and put a link to those in the 856$u of the MARC. 05:32 mib_db6j3k thanks for answer. Also, can I attached an audio file, media file and scanned files (.pdf) to KOHA? 05:31 * druthb has seen some pretty interesting perversions of MARC for things like that. 05:31 druthb Full-text? no, not really. But anything you can squeeze into a MARC record, yeah, pretty-much. 05:30 mib_db6j3k can we use koha to do indexing of journals? 05:26 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "The new 3.6.x #kohails rmaint @wizzyrea pushed her first patches today" 05:20 druthb :) 05:20 Oak Walaikum Asalam mam :) 05:17 druthb oh, look, Oak is here. :) Salaam alyakum, dear friend. 05:17 Oak and Mr Robin 05:17 Oak oh look druthb is here 05:17 Oak my bad' 05:16 Oak nah should not have disturbed Chris actually... 05:16 Oak rangi, 05:16 Oak magnuse 05:16 * Oak waves 04:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8862 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, merge.pl contains untranslatable strings 04:26 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8862 follow-up s/\t/4spaces/g 04:26 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8862 - merge.pl contains untranslatable strings 04:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #64: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/64/ 04:17 druthb woo hoo! 04:09 mtj nah, double greetings 04:06 druthb :) split personality, Mason? 04:05 mtj \o hey ruth o/ 04:04 druthb o/ 03:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #64 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 2 mo 2 days ago) 03:34 wizzyrea \o/ 03:33 jcamins_away wizzyrea++ 03:24 jcamins_away Sounds like he's concerned about corruption (possibly rightly, possibly not), and because he's rich it's newsworthy. 03:24 mtj theres been about 20 references to it , on NZ nat-radio in the last 3 hours?! 03:23 * jcamins_away just did 03:23 mtj go and do a google on it 03:20 jcamins_away [off] I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. 03:19 mtj [off]-topic: has anyone read-up on the backstory to the mcaffee/belize thing 03:13 jcamins_away Though whoever I was talking to, it was not libsysguy. 03:11 * jcamins_away is apparently one of the last people to remember postal mail. 03:11 wizzyrea ! 03:10 jcamins_away I don't remember who it is, but it was a computer person who objected "why don't you just use BCC and not put names in?" 03:10 jcamins_away I was talking to someone the other day who had never heard of a mail merge. 02:40 wizzyrea i know mail merge how quaint 02:38 Guest5479 and send that to the patron 02:38 Guest5479 but you could take the output and smash it into a mail merge :P 02:36 eythian yes, but the report wouldn't tell the patron their info, just the librarian. 02:34 Guest5479 re: jurgens question, certainly you could write a report that would do that 01:10 rangi http://www.rpnyc.org.nz/index.php/spirit/wellington-spirit-news/325-wellington-spirit-sailing-league-week-2-group-2 01:09 jcamins_away Myshkin extends his greetings. 00:43 Jurgens thanks 00:35 eythian Jurgens: I don't think there is a way, though they can see their holds via their login on the OPAC. Not sure if it gives queue position there though. 00:28 Jurgens Hi. Is there a way to generate and send a message that tells a patron what books she/he has on hold and their place in the queue?