Time  Nick           Message
00:28 Jurgens        Hi. Is there a way to generate and send a message that tells a patron what books she/he has on hold and their place in the queue?
00:35 eythian        Jurgens: I don't think there is a way, though they can see their holds via their login on the OPAC. Not sure if it gives queue position there though.
00:43 Jurgens        thanks
01:09 jcamins_away   Myshkin extends his greetings.
01:10 rangi          http://www.rpnyc.org.nz/index.php/spirit/wellington-spirit-news/325-wellington-spirit-sailing-league-week-2-group-2
02:34 Guest5479      re: jurgens question, certainly you could write a report that would do that
02:36 eythian        yes, but the report wouldn't tell the patron their info, just the librarian.
02:38 Guest5479      but you could take the output and smash it into a mail merge :P
02:38 Guest5479      and send that to the patron
02:40 wizzyrea       i know mail merge how quaint
03:10 jcamins_away   I was talking to someone the other day who had never heard of a mail merge.
03:10 jcamins_away   I don't remember who it is, but it was a computer person who objected "why don't you just use BCC and not put names in?"
03:11 wizzyrea       !
03:11 * jcamins_away is apparently one of the last people to remember postal mail.
03:13 jcamins_away   Though whoever I was talking to, it was not libsysguy.
03:19 mtj            [off]-topic: has anyone read-up on the backstory to the mcaffee/belize thing
03:20 jcamins_away   [off] I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.
03:23 mtj            go and do a google on it
03:23 * jcamins_away just did
03:24 mtj            theres been about 20 references to it , on NZ nat-radio in the last 3 hours?!
03:24 jcamins_away   Sounds like he's concerned about corruption (possibly rightly, possibly not), and because he's rich it's newsworthy.
03:33 jcamins_away   wizzyrea++
03:34 wizzyrea       \o/
03:43 jenkins_koha   Starting build #64 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 2 mo 2 days ago)
04:04 druthb         o/
04:05 mtj            \o hey ruth o/
04:06 druthb         :)  split personality, Mason?
04:09 mtj            nah, double greetings
04:17 druthb         woo hoo!
04:26 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #64: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/64/
04:26 jenkins_koha   * kyle: Bug 8862 - merge.pl contains untranslatable strings
04:26 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 8862 follow-up s/\t/4spaces/g
04:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8862 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, merge.pl contains untranslatable strings
05:16 * Oak          waves
05:16 Oak            magnuse
05:16 Oak            rangi,
05:16 Oak            nah should not have disturbed Chris actually...
05:17 Oak            my bad'
05:17 Oak            oh look druthb is here
05:17 Oak            and Mr Robin
05:17 druthb         oh, look, Oak is here.  :)  Salaam alyakum, dear friend.
05:20 Oak            Walaikum Asalam mam :)
05:20 druthb         :)
05:26 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ranginui: "The new 3.6.x #kohails rmaint @wizzyrea pushed her first patches today"
05:30 mib_db6j3k     can we use koha to do indexing of journals?
05:31 druthb         Full-text? no, not really.  But anything you can squeeze into a MARC record, yeah, pretty-much.
05:31 * druthb       has seen some pretty interesting perversions of MARC for things like that.
05:32 mib_db6j3k     thanks for answer. Also, can I attached an audio file, media file and scanned files (.pdf) to KOHA?
05:33 druthb         Again, not directly.  What some people have done for digital resources like that is store them on a web server somewhere, and put a link to those in the 856$u of the MARC.
05:33 druthb         It's kludgy, but it works.
05:33 mib_db6j3k     thanks for the help. :)
05:33 druthb         Sure thing. :)
05:36 * druthb       runs and hides.
05:44 mib_db6j3k     I have few more questions... can Koha do the following: 1) search, add, modify, delete record. view list of documents for a selected record. 2) view pages of a selected document. 3) rotate page clockwise and counter-clockwise. zoom page to various settings. 4) encode indexes for documents in a docCD and in a cache. encode indexes for scanned pages.
05:45 druthb         mib_db6j3k: All of that would imply "digital archive", which Koha *is not*.  a link to the file is about all you're gonna get, plus any descriptive metadata you put in the MARC record.
05:47 mib_db6j3k     Thanks much.
05:50 druthb         Sure thing.  It's a matter of the "right tool for the job."  Koha's the right tool for a library card catalog replacement--but for a digital archive, it's just not the right tool.
05:57 cait           hi druthb :)
05:57 druthb         hi, cait.
06:54 magnuse        kia ora cait and druthb and #koha!
06:54 druthb         kia ora, magnuse! :D
06:55 cait           morning magnuse
06:56 magnuse        yay!
06:59 * magnuse      adds voting on the license to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_5_December_2012
07:02 cait           magnuse++
07:02 cait           you beat me to it :)
07:02 magnuse        moahahah
07:02 druthb         cait++
07:03 druthb         magnuse++
07:03 magnuse        bag is coming to marseille?!? cool!
07:06 * cait         wants to go too
07:06 * druthb       too.
07:06 * magnuse      too
07:07 magnuse        and the wife seems quite keen to tag along now, so it might happen :-)
07:09 lds            bonjour
07:10 lds            hello
07:10 druthb         hey, rangi:  who controls the DNS for koha-community.org?
07:11 rangi          HLT
07:11 rangi          i can make changes tho
07:11 druthb         Cool.  fredericd and I are working out coordination on when to switch over.
07:11 magnuse        druthb++
07:12 magnuse        fredericd++
07:12 rangi          cool
07:14 alex_a_        bonjour #koha
07:15 magnuse        oh rangi, wanted to ask you: did the opensearch stuff you used to integrate search results from kete into koha ever get upstreamed?
07:15 magnuse        i couldn't find it, and now i can't see search results from the hlt kete on their koha either
07:17 druthb         rangi: Could you make a change at 2200 UTC, 16 hours from now, on that DNS?
07:18 rangi          nope
07:19 rangi          im gonna be in a meeting then
07:19 druthb         :/ hrm. just before, just after?  There's some wiggle room.
07:19 druthb         (propogation and whatnot, that time need not be precise.)
07:20 rangi          probably not for a couple of hours after that
07:21 druthb         That should be fine; I can notify the translators that things may be wonky for a bit.
07:22 druthb         translate.koha-community.org IN A
07:23 cait           hm
07:23 druthb         hm?
07:23 cait           I think string freeze for 3.8.7 is coming up
07:23 rangi          tomorrow in fact
07:23 cait           and people are madly translating right now - how long will it take? and will you be able to generate the fils?
07:24 druthb         couple of hours, and yes.
07:24 druthb         hm.  We could wait until Sunday night...fredericd?
07:24 druthb         I'm out all weekend, or I'd say do it then.
07:26 druthb         How long would we need to wait, to put it outside the "madly translating" window?
07:26 cait           after release
07:26 cait           if you want it to put outside
07:26 druthb         a week from now.  I could do that, if fredericd can.
07:27 * druthb       pokes fredericd gently
07:28 fredericd      I can also
07:28 druthb         good.  We'll make plans early next week for exact timing. :)
07:29 magnuse        @arewethereyet
07:29 huginn         magnuse: Not yet - wait 7 days
07:29 druthb         huginn++
07:29 * druthb       looks at the time, and gasps.
07:30 * druthb       glares at cait.
07:30 cait           why me?
07:30 cait           I didn't tell you to stay up late!
07:30 druthb         who is it that usually hounds me when I do?  A certain German beste freundin, that's who.
07:31 cait           I did tell you when I woke up
07:31 cait           that's about 2 hours ago
07:32 * druthb       reviews the log.  Nooooo, that's not what you said.
07:32 druthb         :P
07:32 cait           GO TO BED!
07:33 druthb         okie.   *poof*
07:37 magnuse        "Reference instruction phrase in subfield $i", eh? clear as ink...
07:37 cait           what fields are you looking at?
07:40 magnuse        translating
07:40 wahanui        translating is ok of course :)
07:40 cait           ah
07:40 magnuse        that's good to know, wahanui
07:40 wahanui        magnuse: what?
07:40 cait           I think I looked it up in dnb's translation of marc21
07:40 magnuse        ooh, clever
07:41 reiveune       hello
07:41 wahanui        bonjour, reiveune
07:41 magnuse        sadly, there is no norwegian translation of marc21, 'cause we're so special we gotta have our own marc :-/
07:41 cait           heh
07:44 cait           bbl
07:58 matts          hi !
08:00 Jurgens        Hi - I've got a question about a checkout alert - lets say you have an accompanying disk - according to the manual if you've coded in the marc record accordingly, then you should be alerted that an book etc is accompanied by a disk.
08:01 Jurgens        As I understand it it should be the Marc 300 $e field...
08:08 rangi          952$3
08:08 clrh           hello
08:09 rangi          300$e is marc21 specific
08:09 rangi          952$3 is where koha gets it alert from, its at the item level not biblio level
08:10 Jurgens        ok.. is there away to edit the item level within koha - or would i need to reimport the marc record after having edited it in say MarcEdit..
08:10 Jurgens        Thanks for that rangi.. 952$3 does make more sense!
08:12 Jurgens        awesome, got it to work. thanks for that. i just missed the obvious here rangi!
08:13 rangi          no worries
08:13 kf             rangi++
08:16 paul_p         good morning everybody
08:16 rangi          hi paul_p
08:16 kf             good morning paul_p
08:24 magnuse        kia or paul_p and drojf
08:25 drojf          hi magnuse
09:22 * magnuse      shouldn't really be spending his time thinking about things like http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Easy_integration_of_external_data_RFC ...
10:21 Oak            rangi++
10:26 mtj            magnuse++ thanks for updating the meeting agenda
10:26 magnuse        mtj: my pleasure :-)
10:31 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @celuran: "Such a great #kohails user group meeting! I do love when new people are excited about things I like."
12:37 chris_n        g'morning
12:44 jcamins        Good morning, #koha
12:46 libsysguy      morning jcamins
12:50 jcamins        Ooh, you finished your work on bug 7882?
12:50 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7882 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , move or reorder 6xx and 7xx fields
12:50 jcamins        Cool!
12:50 libsysguy      yeah it was done awhile ago I just forgot to mark it
12:50 libsysguy      oops
12:52 * libsysguy    now waits for jcamins to fail it
12:52 jcamins        lol
12:53 tcohen         morning jcamins, #koha
12:54 jcamins        Bad news.
12:54 wahanui        bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
12:54 jcamins        lol
12:54 jcamins        Not quite.
12:54 libsysguy      especially coming from jcamins
12:55 druthb         wahanui: good news?
12:55 wahanui        i guess good news is it looks like it's running properly.
12:55 druthb         lulz
12:55 libsysguy      aww soab jcamins
12:55 libsysguy      of course it doesn't
12:55 tcohen         jcamins?
12:55 wahanui        jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.
12:55 jcamins        Told you there was bad news.
12:56 druthb         druthb?
12:56 wahanui        Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:03 tcohen         jcamins, bad news?
13:03 jcamins        tcohen: libsysguy's patch didn't apply.
13:04 tcohen         whihc one?
13:04 jcamins        For bug 7882.
13:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7882 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Patch doesn't apply , move or reorder 6xx and 7xx fields
13:04 jcamins        I was curious what it looked like.
13:04 libsysguy      i suppose you are waiting patiently for me to rebase it?
13:05 jcamins        libsysguy: not really.
13:05 libsysguy      heh
13:05 jcamins        I lost interest. :P
13:05 libsysguy      i'll wait a couple of weeks
13:05 libsysguy      you've got to see it since its coming through 3.12
13:06 jcamins        Yes, that's why I lost interest.
13:08 libsysguy      harsh man
13:08 libsysguy      :p
13:10 dgl-library    Hi #koha
13:12 libsysguy      hey dgl-library
13:12 wahanui        dgl-library is in India
13:12 dgl-library    Hey libsysguy
13:12 wahanui        i think libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
13:12 dgl-library    I wonder if anyone can answer a question about strange unicode search behavior
13:12 jcamins        dgl-library: hard to say, but ask your question and we'll find out.
13:16 dgl-library1   When we enter a search term in a foreign (Unicode) language, no matter how small or large the search term, the results include ALL foreign-unicode titles, whether relevant or not.
13:16 oleonard       Hi #koha
13:16 dgl-library1   Is there a setting we need to change or something to activate unicode use?
13:16 dgl-library1   Hi oleonard
13:16 jcamins        dgl-library: you need to use ICU.
13:18 dgl-library1   Intensive Care Unit?
13:20 jcamins        I Components for Unicode.
13:20 dgl-library1   OK. How do I install that and get koha to use it?
13:21 jcamins        Hm.
13:22 jcamins        The easiest thing to do is go through Makefile.PL again.
13:22 dgl-library1   I'm sorry, you've lost me. I need to reinstall Koha?
13:23 jcamins        That's the easiest way to do it.
13:23 dgl-library1   Wow.
13:23 jcamins        And the only method I am currently awake enough to explain.
13:23 * drojf        pours some coffee for jcamins
13:24 dgl-library1   Thanks drojf! Let's make it a strong one.
13:24 dgl-library1   I think reinstalling is a major, major undertaking.
13:24 jcamins        Not really.
13:24 dgl-library1   And tonight is my last night physically present for this project. So if there's any other way……
13:24 jcamins        I do it once a month.
13:25 dgl-library1   How do I do it?
13:25 drojf          mtompset did it several times a day ;)
13:25 jcamins        You can edit the configuration files manually.
13:25 jcamins        drojf: lol
13:25 jcamins        dgl-library1: actually, wait.
13:25 jcamins        You used packages, didn't you?
13:25 jcamins        The package installs all the files you need.
13:25 * jcamins      just remembered.
13:26 dgl-library1   It was like 11 months ago that I installed Koha… I can't remember :(
13:26 jcamins        Well, where is koha-conf.xml?
13:26 wahanui        well, koha-conf.xml is a config file, not a port
13:26 jcamins        wahanui: huh?
13:26 wahanui        jcamins: wish i knew
13:27 dgl-library1   Hang on, I'll check
13:27 tcohen         libsysguy: did u have the time to check those patches for the calendar?
13:27 tcohen         i'll be till later at work today to have more time to fix anything that arises
13:28 dgl-library1   It'll be a few minutes before I can access the server. What's the usual path to koha-conf.xml? And what do I need to do once I find it?
13:28 libsysguy      probably not today tcohen, tomorrow is my day dedicated to testing and sign-offs
13:28 jcamins        dgl-library1: I just want to know where it is.
13:28 tcohen         ok libsysguy
13:28 wahanui        i think libsysguy is dealing with infinity when dealing with spansets
13:28 jcamins        It will either be at /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml or /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml.
13:32 jcamins        dgl-library1: I should point out that enabling ICU will involve a complete reindex, and once you have started the process, searches will not work until you have finished.
13:33 jcamins        (either enabled ICU or reverted the changes)
13:36 dgl-library1   jcamins: the location is /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml
13:37 jcamins        Okay.
13:37 jcamins        And you're running Koha 3.8.6, right?
13:39 dgl-library1   nope,
13:40 dgl-library1   I have to step away from the computer for the moment, but I'll read your messages when I get back
13:40 jcamins        That's somewhat problematic.
14:38 kf             talljoy: around? I was looking for your slides from kohacon :)
14:38 talljoy        hey kf.  really?  i'll see if i can get them to you.
14:38 talljoy        running to the car shop atm.  brb
14:40 kf             talljoy_afk: I have a student asking how migrations work for libraries
14:40 kf             talljoy_afk: so I am trying to make him a list of related presentations from the koha community - it's for a presentation he has to do
14:46 drojf          kf: can you do my homework too? :)
14:46 kf             drojf: :P
14:47 jcamins        Ooh, kf is doing our homework?
14:47 drojf          :)
14:48 kf             wah
14:48 * kf           hides
14:48 drojf          she's probably bored because there is so little work after her vacation :P
14:49 jcamins        drojf: true.
14:49 jcamins        We should find some work for her.
14:50 drojf          great idea. she will be so happy
14:50 jcamins        :D
14:51 * drojf        walks off into the fog for shopping
14:51 drojf          might be smog :D
14:51 kf             no cookies for both of you!
15:08 Manderson      Hi...we were talking the other day about why Koha uses the 'daemon' command to launch zebrasrv into the background when zebrasrv has it's own daemonize flag (-D)
15:08 jcamins        Manderson: yes, because the daemon command allows us to manage the daemon, whereas -D just allows us to detach it.
15:09 Manderson      Redhat doesn't have the 'daemon' command, and I find that `pkill zebrasrv` works quite well
15:09 Manderson      just wanted to throw that tidbit out there.
15:09 dgl-library1   jcamins: Hi, I'm back, and it looks like you're still awake :) If you have time, I'd be grateful if we can continue with the ICU installation
15:10 jcamins        dgl-library1: it's a lot more complicated with Koha 3.6.x.
15:10 dgl-library1   :|
15:10 jcamins        Manderson: still seems less convenient than "sudo service zebra stop"
15:11 Manderson      I hacked koha-zebra-ctl.sh, and it's almost as easy...
15:11 dgl-library1   jcamins: What would it entail with 3.6.x?
15:11 Manderson      /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-ctl.sh stop/start/restart
15:12 jcamins        dgl-library1: I am not 100% sure what it would involve in production.
15:13 dgl-library1   Oh.
15:13 dgl-library1   I suppose it's a good reason to upgrade to 3.8.x, then, but I'm going to have to do it via a remote desktop connection. Not ideal
15:14 jcamins        I have my own packages so I don't have to worry about editing files.
15:14 dgl-library1   Is there any other way for me to make search work in other languages besides this clearly complicated way?
15:14 jcamins        dgl-library1: if it makes  you feel better, I'm not sure I've ever installed Koha on a computer I had direct access to.
15:14 jcamins        No.
15:15 dgl-library1   jcamins: I suppose that does!
15:15 jcamins        And I should point out when I say "it's complicated," we're going to be changing...
15:15 jcamins        two lines.
15:16 jcamins        In one file.
15:16 dgl-library1   I can handle that.
15:16 dgl-library1   Can I do it in 3.6.x?
15:16 jcamins        Yeah.
15:16 dgl-library1   I'm all ears.
15:16 jcamins        That was a response to you being able to handle it. :)
15:16 dgl-library1   Oh. :(
15:16 jcamins        The problem is that 3.6.x doesn't have words-icu.xml file you need.
15:17 jcamins        And I've never tried setting ICU up manually so I don't really know where it goes.
15:18 dgl-library1   But it's included in the standard 3.8.x install?
15:18 jcamins        I think so.
15:18 jcamins        I'll confirm.
15:21 dgl-library1   brb
15:21 jcamins        Confirmed.
15:30 talljoy        kf: http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/15192180
15:30 reiveune       bye
15:34 dgl-library1   jcamins: So upgrading to 3.8.x is the answer, then. I imagine that entails other major changes, though.
15:37 jcamins        dgl-library1: you could also try creating words-icu.xml in /etc/koha/zebradb/etc: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/etc/words-icu.xml;h=38af51fae528b6c9286d2a488a2faf99e01afe6a;hb=HEAD
15:37 dgl-library1   Thanks, checking that now
15:37 jcamins        And then editing /etc/koha/zebradb/etc/default.idx to have "icuchains words-icu.xml" instead of "charmap word-phrase-utf.chr"
15:38 kf             talljoy: thx!
15:38 talljoy        your welcome!
15:38 jcamins        dgl-library1: however, I repeat my earlier caution: I don't know if that's all there is to it for a 3.6.x package install.
15:39 jcamins        Right... I have a question.
15:39 dgl-library1   jcamins: Caveat acknowledged. Thanks.
15:39 jcamins        paul_p: around?
15:39 jcamins        dgl-library1: and, of course, you'll have to reindex after you do that.
15:39 paul_p         jcamins sir, yes sir !
15:39 dgl-library1   jcamins: Am I risking any damage by adding that file?
15:39 jcamins        dgl-library1: not by adding the file.
15:39 kf             talljoy: mind if you put the link on the wiki too? for kohacon12?
15:39 jcamins        Oh, and you have to restart Zebra.
15:40 jcamins        paul_p: I was thinking about your concerns with faceting in Zebra/PazPar2.
15:40 kf             talljoy: this page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#10_Data_Migration_Heuristics_.2820_min.29 :)
15:40 jcamins        The problem is that with ICU you get gibberish out of Zebra's indexes.
15:40 talljoy        go ahead.  no problem at all.  i used the default license but figure i should've used a creative commons license for it.  suggestions on which type of CC license?
15:40 dgl-library1   jcamins: I'll restart the server, guess that'd do it? I dunno how to restart zebra.
15:40 dgl-library1   jcamins: So I'll be creating gibberish?
15:40 jcamins        dgl-library1: sudo service koha-common restart
15:41 jcamins        dgl-library1: that was to paul_p.
15:41 jcamins        And, yes, but it doesn't matter.
15:41 jcamins        paul_p: if you _don't_ have ICU enabled, you still get Unicode out of Zebra's indexes, you just can't search them, right?
15:42 liw            jcamins, did you get the recommends problem fixed?
15:42 jcamins        liw: eythian took over. :)
15:42 dgl-library1   jcamins: Dumb question, but how can I copy that without the line numbers? the "raw" link doesn't do anything.
15:42 liw            jcamins, cool, then I don't need to feel guilty for not having a solution
15:42 jcamins        dgl-library1: copy them one at a time.
15:42 jcamins        *lines
15:42 dgl-library1   k
15:43 jcamins        Though "raw" works just fine for me.
15:43 dgl-library1   jcamins: By the way, (heading off on a tangent while I copy the text) since you normally work via remote access, what's the best way to do secure remote desktop access on Linux, bypassing firewalls? On Windows I can use LogMeIn, but on Linux I haven't got a clue.
15:43 jcamins        liw: it seems like the problem might be changes to the packaging system in Ubuntu 12.04 getting in the way of building packages for Squeeze.
15:43 jcamins        dgl-library1: SSH.
15:43 jcamins        Only way to go.
15:44 jcamins        One day we hope that Windows will have as good an option.
15:44 dgl-library1   ssh + ?
15:44 kf             talljoy: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#10_Data_Migration_Heuristics_.2820_min.29 :)
15:44 jcamins        If you use Windows at home, you can download putty as an SSH client.
15:44 talljoy        looks good kf.  thanks a bunch!
15:45 jcamins        Linux, *BSD, and Mac computers will all already have an SSH client installed.
15:45 jcamins        paul_p: anyway, my question is: we make facets only out of a subset of indexes. Why don't we just use CHR for faceting indexes?
15:46 kf             talljoy: thx to you too :)
15:46 paul_p         jcamins CHR ?
15:46 jcamins        paul_p: the non-ICU option.
15:46 paul_p         yes, I confirm we "get  Unicode out of Zebra's indexes, you just can't search them"
15:47 dgl-library1   jcamins: you're talking about command-line access, not graphical access, right?
15:47 paul_p         jcamins because you can't have both CHR & ICU (or you need 2 zebras)
15:47 jcamins        dgl-library1: yes, of course.
15:47 paul_p         (and if you've a male and a female, that will soon be a complete family :D :D)
15:47 jcamins        paul_p: are you sure?
15:48 paul_p         jcamins yes I'm (but I may have missed something)
15:48 jcamins        How do you specify that a Zebra server is supposed to be an ICU instance instead of a CHR instance?
15:49 jcamins        I only see index types.
15:49 paul_p         just change 2 lines in the file of index types, right
15:49 dgl-library1   jcamins: I can't do much on Linux without the desktop. :( Will keep searching.
15:50 jcamins        paul_p: I believe -- though I haven't tried it -- that I can add an additional type of index.
15:50 jcamins        I read about that somewhere and wondered why I'd want to.
15:52 paul_p         jcamins = that could work, but I feel that could be tricky (and not a long term solution anyway. The long term one is : use solr)
15:53 jcamins        paul_p: Solr will never be an option on a machine with 512MB of RAM.
15:53 jcamins        If we could use Zebra's built-in faceting, that make it much easier to switch between Zebra and Solr.
15:54 jcamins        So people with 512MB of RAM can continue to use Koha with Zebra, and the rest of us can use Koha with Solr.
16:11 dgl-library1   jcamins: I made those changes, and now I get no search results at all.
16:11 jcamins        dgl-library1: after reindexing?
16:12 dgl-library1   jcamins: I tried sudo service koha-common restart and I also tried rebooting
16:12 jcamins        dgl-library1: did you reindex?
16:13 dgl-library1   jcamins: How do I do that?
16:13 jcamins        sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full library
16:14 dgl-library1   This is weird: sudo: unknown user: library-koha
16:15 jcamins        In that case you probably didn't call your instance "library."
16:15 kf             bye all
16:16 jcamins        Remember, I don't have access to your server, and wouldn't look at it unless I were being paid to. You have to filter all my advice through your own knowledge of how you set things up.
16:16 dgl-library1   jcamins: I understand, and I appreciate your help.
16:17 jcamins        I generally follow up instructions that must be repeated verbatim with the instruction "Exactly like that," since most people don't actually pay attention to my instructions. ;)
16:21 dgl-library1   By the way, on another tangent, did you ever get in contact with the CEO of duckduckgo.com about funding and tech assistance for the search functionality?
16:21 dgl-library1   OK, reindexing is done. Looks like 3.6.x doesn't like ICU.
16:21 jcamins        dgl-library1: I did not, but it's still on my to-do list.
16:26 jcamins        dgl-library1: unfortunately, the best I can advise is to reverse the changes to default.idx, reindex, and go back to not using ICU.
16:27 dgl-library1   jcamins: Yes, just did that. Thanks for helping me with that little experiment. I guess I'll try to upgrade to 3.8.x once I figure out how to set up SSH (tomorrow morning), because I'll have to do it remotely.
16:27 dgl-library1   jcamins: Have a good day (or night, as the case may be).
16:54 drojf          jcamins: what's that about DDG and funding the search functionality?
16:55 jcamins        drojf: dgl-library suggested contacting them... the owner sponsors open source projects.
16:56 rambutan       is dgl a private library or something -- "owner"?
16:56 drojf          yes, but i think it's a once a year thing. ddg community gets to vote for some projects and he chooses some and gives a percentage of his revenue
16:56 rambutan       or a support company maybe?
16:56 jcamins        drojf: ah, I don't know much about it. It's on my to-do list.
16:57 jcamins        rambutan: no, it's a small special library in India.
16:57 drojf          he should know koha from me complaining about listing k-c.org not on top for all searches :D
16:59 oleonard       Does that work drojf?
17:01 jcamins        I require a way to turn a search into a list of records which I can then download.
17:01 drojf          oleonard: it did not so far, but i think my point was considered valid. they have this disambiguation thing in DDG and k-c.org is considered "official website" for koha (library system), still thefork™ is 1st result for "koha" before disambiguation. my point is that "official website" status should have more influence in the result of the general search results
17:02 paul_p         drojf DDG ?
17:02 drojf          duckduckgo
17:02 wahanui        duckduckgo is in the MS camp, so that's probably why it's showing twisted results, especially if they see rhcl's OS id'ing as linux
17:02 drojf          wahanui: what?
17:02 paul_p         OK, thanks wahanui
17:02 wahanui        bugger all, i dunno, drojf
17:03 jcamins        It is a shame that my facile description is the only part of that which would be easy.
17:05 drojf          chartreuse o'clock
17:05 * drojf        drinks to french monks
17:07 drojf          eew DDG has a serious spam problem in their forum
17:08 * cait         waves
17:18 * drojf        waves to cait
17:52 paul_p         see you tomorrow morning #koha !
17:58 tcohen         bye paul_p
18:32 rangi          Morning
18:32 wahanui        well, Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:33 cait           morning rangi
18:33 chris_n        heya rangi
18:36 drojf          morning rangi
19:01 rangi          My stop bbiab
19:23 rangi          back
19:33 rangi          hmm this is pretty neat
19:33 rangi          http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=17430
19:35 cait           yep :)
19:45 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@mbreeding seems to be a quite a few moving from symphony to #kohails at the moment, we are doing a migration at the moment too"
19:53 rangi          1974 in libwebcats
19:53 rangi          2000 by the end of the year eh?
19:55 cait           I would think so :)
19:55 * wizzyrea     waves
19:55 * cait         waves back :)
19:56 wizzyrea       good <time of day>
19:56 cait           heh
19:58 oleonard       [off] anyone want to see the new responsive version of my library's web site? Just about ready for launch: http://dev.myacpl.org/
19:58 rangi          ohh yes please
19:58 rangi          im looking on my phone
19:59 * oleonard     crosses his fingers
19:59 santy          hi everybody!
20:00 rangi          it works !
20:00 santy          I would like to translate Koha's 3.8 manual to spanish and post it at koha-community.org... what do I have to do?
20:00 rangi          oleonard: does what it should when i rotate the phone too
20:01 rangi          santy: talk to the documentation manager, and look on the koha-translate lists, and archives, some spanish speakers have already done most of it
20:01 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @sallyheroes: "@UniLib Have you investigated #kohails? http://t.co/bt2qoOPc"
20:01 santy          hi rangi!
20:01 santy          ok, so be it... but.. who is the documentation manager?
20:02 rangi          ill just find the messages int he mailing list
20:02 santy          and where are the koha-translate lists
20:02 jcamins        lists?
20:02 jcamins        mailing lists?
20:02 wahanui        mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
20:02 jcamins        santy: nengard is the documentation manager.
20:02 rangi          http://koha-community.org/roles-3-12-koha-release/
20:03 cait           some people have figured out how to do it using po files
20:03 santy          ok, so I should then subscribe to the mailing lists and contact nengard, right?
20:03 cait           i wold try mailing the koha-translate mailing list
20:03 rangi          yep
20:04 santy          ok thanks all
20:05 trea           paste?
20:05 wahanui        paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
20:28 jenkins_koha   Starting build #65 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 2 mo 2 days ago)
20:28 * chris_n      finishes up about an hour or so of testing on bug 7167
20:28 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
20:29 chris_n        three bugs keep me from signing off, otherwise it behaves as advertised
20:31 rangi          yay 2 more library cards
20:31 wizzyrea       oleonard: that's really cool!
20:31 rangi          south_taranaki++
20:31 wizzyrea       \o/
20:42 slef           hi all... bye all...
20:43 wizzyrea       hi slef, bye slef
20:46 francharb      hi all
20:46 francharb      how are you all doing?
20:47 francharb      got a question for you guys and ladies! you're sooooo lucky! :)
20:47 cait           :)
20:48 francharb      if I define a HOLD notice for library A and another HOLD notice for library B
20:49 francharb      which library koha take into consideration to send the correct HOLD notice?
20:49 francharb      the patron library?
20:49 cait           I have no idea
20:49 francharb      :)
20:49 cait           I would guess the pickup library
20:49 wizzyrea       the patron's home library
20:49 wizzyrea       no no, you're right
20:49 wizzyrea       it's the pickup library
20:49 wizzyrea       the library where the hold is actually filled sends the notice
20:49 wizzyrea       regardless of who the patron belongs to
20:49 cait           makes sense
20:50 cait           this way you can put in pickup conditions
20:50 wizzyrea       basically, the library that issues the book sends the notice
20:50 wizzyrea       or the library where the book is waiting.
20:51 francharb      wizzyrea, cait : is the patron library the default pick up location when a patron put an hold on a book ?
20:51 cait           oh
20:51 wizzyrea       yep, but if the patron picks a different library, it will send a notice from there.
20:51 cait           I tihnk if the hold is created in staff it's probably the library the staff person is logged in to? (again guessng) hehe
20:51 wizzyrea       no no, it's always the pickup library.
20:52 cait           ah, always the home library of the patron?
20:52 wizzyrea       no
20:52 wizzyrea       those aren't always the same
20:52 francharb      :)
20:52 cait           now you got me confused :)
20:52 wizzyrea       let me tell you a story
20:52 * cait         will be quiet now :)
20:52 wizzyrea       :D
20:52 wizzyrea       patron a lives in town 1, and town 1 is her library
20:52 wizzyrea       she works in town 2
20:53 wizzyrea       so she sets her holds to come to town 2, because town 1's library is closed when she gets off of work
20:53 wizzyrea       her home library is town 1, but she picks them up at town 2
20:53 wizzyrea       when the item arrives at town 2, they check it in, they are the issuing library, they fill the hold, they send the notice
20:53 wizzyrea       make sense?
20:53 eythian        hi
20:53 wahanui        what's up, eythian
20:54 cait           yep
20:54 wizzyrea       hey eythian
20:54 francharb      wizzyrea++
20:54 francharb      thank you cait wizzyrea
20:54 wizzyrea       you're welcome :)
20:56 cait           wizzyrea: what's default for staff placing holds for someone? :)
20:56 francharb      we should collect every little story on this channel!  Koha : you don't get it? here is a little story to make it clear... Once upon a time a librarian who lived in... ;⁾
20:56 cait           I mean the default library offered in intranet when you place it
20:56 wizzyrea       they too can change the pickup location
20:56 wizzyrea       but the default is the patron's home library
20:56 oleonard       cait: The logged-in library is the default
20:56 francharb      right
20:56 wizzyrea       are you sure?
20:56 oleonard       Oh, conflicting answers
20:56 cait           ah cool that's what I wanted to say, but I think it didn't came out
20:56 wizzyrea       well now I'm not
20:57 francharb      no non
20:57 francharb      cait, wizzyrea
20:57 francharb      different perspective
20:57 francharb      if you are a patron
20:57 francharb      you're defaut pick up library is :
20:57 cait           wizzyrea: I was thinking maybe staff is different then opac
20:57 francharb      a. your home library or
20:57 cait           than
20:57 francharb      b the one you chose
20:58 drojf          myinternetconnection--
20:58 wizzyrea       the default for patrons is their home library
20:58 wizzyrea       in the opac
20:58 wizzyrea       afaik
20:58 francharb      if you are a librarian
20:58 oleonard       Confirmed: It is the logged-in library which is the default in the staff client. You are warned if this is different from the patron's home library
20:58 francharb      your default location set up for the hold your put for a patron
20:58 francharb      is your login location
20:58 francharb      and then
20:59 francharb      see the oleonard comment above
20:59 francharb      ;)
20:59 francharb      above?
20:59 wahanui        rumour has it above is the result of apachectl -S. Sorry for pasting directly
20:59 wizzyrea       ok, so for the opac it's always the patron's home library, and in the staff it's the logged in library
20:59 slef           wahanui: forget above
20:59 wahanui        slef: I forgot above
20:59 wizzyrea       that's cool, glad to have that cleared up - and now that you say it I see the warning in my mind
21:00 francharb      :)
21:00 oleonard       See ya #koha
21:05 cait           drojf: I am still here
21:09 chris_n        and thus the chore of debating license upgrade begins... :-)
21:09 rangi          yup
21:09 cait           got to be an interesting meeting
21:10 cait           but we won't leave it without a vote!
21:11 * chris_n      hopes so
21:11 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #65: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/65/
21:11 jenkins_koha   * mirko: Bug 4177 opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface
21:11 jenkins_koha   * jonathan.druart: Bug 8792 : Babeltheque: Remove the unused tab on the opac detail page
21:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, RESOLVED FIXED, opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface
21:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8792 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Babeltheque tab is useless
21:12 wizzyrea       That's actually winning. :P
21:12 wizzyrea       so, squee.
21:14 jenkins_koha   Starting build #66 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 2 mo 2 days ago)
21:15 mtj            i think im gonna stay as much out of the debate, as possible
21:17 mtj            and let my vote at the meeting, do the talking
21:17 jcamins        rangi: you had an example of using TT to process MARCXML directly. Do you know where that is?
21:17 rangi          yep
21:18 rangi          http://stats.workbuffer.org/chrisc_presentations/kohacon_hackfest/html/slide004.html
21:18 jcamins        Great, thanks!
21:19 * jcamins      is thinking of using TT instead of XSLT for generating printed catalogs.
21:20 jcamins        Why, you ask?
21:20 jcamins        'Cause it's easier to jam a TT output filter into Koha than an XSLT filter.
21:20 jcamins        Much.
21:22 rangi          yep
21:28 eythian        won't the patch for bug 9087 actually change the query?
21:28 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9087 normal, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , In Search.pl if there is parenthesis in itemcallnumber the link is broken
21:28 eythian        oh, it's only callnum, that's not so bad
21:29 eythian        though I kind of wonder if it should be solved nearer the source in case it affects other searches.
21:31 jcamins        eythian: we have special handling for call numbers.
21:31 eythian        ah OK.
21:40 Manderson      jcamins: I think of TT as "TrueType"...what is it that you're referring to?
21:40 Manderson      Something template.
21:40 jcamins        Template::Toolkit.
21:40 Manderson      AH
21:40 Manderson      Thank you
21:41 jenkins_koha   Yippie, build fixed!
21:41 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #66: FIXED in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/66/
21:42 wizzyrea       oh someone fixed the db, bless them.
21:43 smeagol        I'm doing a git install and getting these errors.." [Thu Nov 15 16:13:49 2012] [error] [client XXX.XXX.xxx.xxx (13)Permission denied: access to / denied  AND (13)Permission denied: access to /cgi-bin/koha/errors/403.pl denied
21:43 smeagol        Do I have to to change dirs or something in koha-httpd.conf..???
21:44 wizzyrea       usually that's a problem with the actual permissions on your git repo - apache can't read them
21:46 smeagol        yes..was wondering how to fix that, without a reinstall. thx
21:55 rangi          fredericd++
21:58 jcamins        Hehe.
21:58 jcamins        Myshkin just splashed water all over his face when he was trying to steal a sip of my water.
22:22 cait           good night #koha
22:24 Manderson      Question:  I had a title called "Doopy Derp", and I replaced it with a z3950 record for "Hanna-Barbera Scooby-Doo mystery comics" - it doesn't seem to have been re-indexed.
22:24 Manderson      The record still comes up when a search is performed for "Doopy"
22:24 wizzyrea       how long ago?
22:24 Manderson      But doesn't show up with "comics"
22:24 Manderson      an hour ago
22:24 wizzyrea       it really depends on how often your fast indexer runs
22:25 Manderson      the cron runs every 10 minutes.
22:25 wizzyrea       then yea, that seems odd :)
22:25 Manderson      Hmm
22:25 wizzyrea       wouldn't hurt to give it a poke, maybe it got hung up?
22:25 jcamins        wizzyrea: the cronjob runs every ten minutes if you are using the default configuration.
22:26 jcamins        Manderson: are you sure than anything is ever reindexed automatically?
22:26 wizzyrea       right - sometimes people change it though
22:26 jcamins        wizzyrea: oh, you weren't around during Manderson's epic triumph over RedHat.
22:26 Manderson      yes...I can edit it by hand and it'll get re-indexed
22:26 wizzyrea       oh, no I guess not
22:27 jcamins        Manderson: in that case it sounds like it was just missed.
22:27 Manderson      I am making a hand edit to it, and we'll see if the next index run gets it.
22:36 wizzyrea       we should probably check to make sure that replace record with ... triggers a zebra update
22:37 francharb      see ya #koha
22:37 jcamins        wizzyrea: it does when I do it.
22:37 wizzyrea       awesome
22:38 wizzyrea       so yea probably just missed.
22:38 wizzyrea       it happens