Time Nick Message 23:12 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days 23:12 bag @seen sekjal 22:37 bag rangi you still around? 22:17 Manderson (That's with -v -v verbosity) 22:17 Manderson http://pastebin.com/vGCUsSrM 22:16 Manderson I'll post it in pastebin 22:16 Manderson and turning on verbose logging, I see that a record gets exported... 22:15 Manderson with the flags -b -a -z 22:15 Manderson Yes 22:15 ras0ir you have cronjobs installed? 22:14 Manderson Not a big deal for small numbers, but that is a non-starter when the catalog grows 22:14 Manderson Still struggling with why Zebra isn't indexing new records. I have to manually rebuild the index... 20:13 rangi id have to try 20:12 rangi i think you perhaps can still override 20:10 jcamins We have a syspref to prevent items being checked out to other people when they're on hold, don't we? 20:10 oleonard rangi: That's what I assume happens, but it seems like it happens more often than it should 20:10 cait noone travelling to the library to pickup a hold that is no longer there 20:10 cait if it's still on the shelf and someone brings it... that's bad luck, but no harm done 20:10 cait I think not giving it to someone else then is the right thing to do 20:10 cait hm but if it's waiting it has been checked in for th eother person 20:09 rangi but then you get an angry person at the circ desk 20:09 rangi except blocking ppl issuing thigns that are marked waiting, to anyone other than who it is waiting for 20:09 rangi there isnt really a nice solution i can think of 20:08 rangi its a messy one 20:08 rangi of course the person will then get another email when it goes back to waiting 20:08 rangi it should probably get moved back out of waiting 20:08 rangi they get the warning which they can override 20:08 rangi so if its marked waiting, then someone issues it 20:07 rangi it stays in the state it was in 20:07 rangi if the person overrides the reserve and doesnt cancel it 20:07 rangi that can happen 20:06 oleonard Things which are both checked out and waiting? 20:06 oleonard Has anyone seen this before? We get it fairly often: http://screencast.com/t/i8lVnSfM 20:02 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Troubleshooting Notices http://t.co/TgE9MN88 #kohails" 20:02 rangi ill try to have a look this evening oleonard 19:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Add sorting and filtering on items table (catalogue/detail.pl) 19:57 oleonard I put Bug 9034 into "discussion" if anyone cares to weigh in 19:56 jcamins lol 19:56 rangi i think every 3 year old has that sussed 19:56 rangi and repeatedly do what you were told was a bad idea 19:55 rangi dont follow anyones advice 19:55 jcamins That's got to be entertaining "here, son. Daddy spends all his time trying to make this work. I bet you can't break it!" 19:55 rangi heh 19:55 jcamins You could teach him how to break Koha! :P 19:53 rangi gotta entertain atarau 19:53 rangi thats probably all ill get done until the evening 19:52 jcamins rangi++ 19:52 jcamins Hooray! 19:52 rangi no more blockers! 19:52 rangi i see it now 19:51 rangi ah yes 19:51 jcamins Our favorite troll. 19:51 rangi hmm? 19:49 * jcamins ignores the message. 19:49 jcamins You ignored the recommendations to not use punctuation and are now surprised that you're having problems? 19:21 rangi thanks 19:21 cait I willl put it on my list 19:21 cait ok 19:21 rangi yep 19:20 jcamins 'Cause the code was already reviewed. 19:20 jcamins Once it's signed off, rangi can push it. 19:20 jcamins Right, the patch for 3.8.x needs to be signed off. 19:20 rangi yes, for only teh 3.8.x patch 19:20 cait right now it's needs sign-off 19:19 cait hm 19:19 rangi yeah it passed qa on master 19:19 cait ah 19:19 jcamins I don't think it needs to go through QA again? 19:19 cait what am I missing? 19:19 cait hm but if I sign off .... I can't pass qa 19:18 rangi :) 19:18 jcamins I might try if I get through pushing everything that's passed QA tomorrow, but I expect by then I'll be too tired to sign off. 19:17 rangi its a 3.8.x patch only so i cant sign off 19:17 jcamins Nah, rangi is the one who will be pushing it. 19:17 cait or some other volunteer who happens to stick his head in here 19:17 cait s 19:17 cait so it has to be rangi I gues 19:17 cait I can't sign off, I am the only qa team member left who is going to take a look at it 19:17 cait aha 19:16 cait yeah, always suspicious and on my toes from now on... 19:16 jcamins cait: it needs to be signed off, and neither rangi nor I will be doing it. 19:16 jcamins I guess this is the result of being QAM. 19:16 rangi hehe 19:16 cait ok, can I get a short one sentence summary of your discussion around the fine syntax bug plz? 19:16 jcamins rangi: when did cait become so cagey and learn not to agree before reading back? ;) 19:15 cait lol let me read back 19:14 rangi its testing notices :) 19:14 rangi *hint hint* 19:14 rangi maybe cait can 19:14 rangi it 19:14 rangi cos then it will only have me looking at 19:14 rangi yep, and not me 19:14 rangi i think the fine syntax got broken pre 3.8.0 19:14 jcamins In that case, someone should sign off on it. :) 19:14 * jcamins is probably going to be able to spend all day tomorrow pushing... a shame that most of the QA team finished working a while ago. 19:14 rangi hmm i think that might actaully be needed for 3.8.x 19:13 rangi right 19:12 jcamins 16. Bug 8378 was already pushed to master. 19:12 rangi if we cant get them out of needs signoff, we arent actually trying 19:12 rangi and are bugs 19:12 rangi that are for 3.10.0 and lower 19:11 rangi thats 17 19:11 jcamins So I'd love signoffs and QA on those, but only after the others are done. 19:11 rangi easy peasy 19:11 jcamins Right. 19:11 rangi cool 19:11 rangi ah right, so 3.10.1 really 19:11 rangi that makes it even easier 19:11 jcamins Yeah, string changes. 19:11 rangi sorry 4 bugs are 3.12? 19:11 cait hope to get to it tomorrow, but the distance study deadline is so close too :( 19:11 rangi 4 of the bugs are NSO ? 19:10 cait for master... maybe should do it for 3.8.x too? 19:10 wahanui well, bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. 19:10 rangi bugs? 19:10 cait I have testing notices high on my list 19:10 jcamins Well, 4. 19:10 jcamins And a bunch of the NSOs are for 3.12. 19:09 rangi i think so 19:09 rangi ah yep 19:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 19:08 rangi bug 8378 19:08 rangi as long as ppl focus on that 19:08 jcamins rangi: FWIW, if I were RMaint I would probably not take 8378 for 3.8. Isn't that a commingled bugfix/enhancement, where the bugfix was only needed for Master? 19:08 rangi so its totally doable 19:08 rangi 82 are enhancements 19:08 rangi of the 103 19:07 jcamins Sure would be. 19:06 magnuse rangi: yup, it certainly would!! 19:06 rangi that would be awesome 19:06 magnuse gah, not enough space for the indexing... 19:06 rangi with only enhancments in needs signoff 19:06 rangi if we get to the end of weekend 19:06 rangi i got rid of the other blockers and criticals yesterday 19:06 magnuse rangi++ 19:06 rangi the 4 majors 19:06 cait rangi++ 19:06 jcamins rangi++ 19:05 rangi ill try to get rid of that 19:05 rangi hmm 1 blocker .. 19:03 rangi hehe 18:58 jcamins rangi: trying to figure out where they are? :P 18:58 rangi i wonder what the rea's are doing today 18:58 cait oh 18:55 rangi nope no wind and blue sky 18:51 druthb windy. Since, well, it's Wellington... 18:51 oleonard Unbearably sunny? 18:49 cait raining? 18:47 rangi partly cloudy my butt 18:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 18:46 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:46 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.9°C (12:45 PM CST on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). 18:46 druthb @wunder 66046 18:46 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 10.6°C (1:12 PM EST on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 18:46 jcamins @wunder 11375 18:44 rangi now 18:44 rangi its doing the old pushed, and pushed to master as well 18:44 jcamins That fixed it. Thanks! 18:43 rangi try that 18:42 jcamins Got it. :) 18:42 jcamins That's to the status "Pushed," not "Pushed to Master." 18:42 jcamins Oh, I see. 18:42 jcamins rangi: but there's a column for Pushed. 18:41 rangi so it doesnt match the query now 18:40 rangi its probably someone changed the status 18:40 rangi jcamins: cos thats not what i wanted to track? 18:40 jcamins rangi: why don't my updates to Pushed to Master show up there? 18:39 magnuse snapshot of the last hour: http://div.libriotech.no/kohachange/ 18:36 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl 18:23 cait :) 18:22 jcamins Thanks. 18:21 rangi and passed qa can go back to signed off 18:21 rangi but now every state can go to needs signoff 18:20 rangi hmm i cant see how to actually turn them off 18:19 cait rangi: I am not a fan of the workflos 18:19 tcohen eythian, did u find the problem with koha-index-daemon ? 18:17 jcamins Yeah, might as well turn off the workflow. 18:16 jcamins Actually, everything needs to be able to go to Needs Signoff. 18:16 rangi well telling them not to jump also works :) 18:16 jcamins rangi: preventing people jumping makes sense, I guess, but it seems like we spend a lot of time trying to move things back one step. 18:16 rangi i think paul put it on, im not a huge fan, but others seem to like it 18:15 rangi jcamins: i can take the workflow things off 18:15 * druthb will be auditing the list of superusers--if you want to still be one (or be promoted to one) you've gotta talk to me about it. Otherwise, I'm lockin' the doors. 18:14 magnuse :-) 18:14 jcamins Mmmm. Pizza! 18:14 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza, but will let jcamins know when the indexing is done (~150k records done in ~10 minutes so far...) 18:13 * magnuse can log in too, and has the right permissions as far as he can tell 18:12 magnuse druthb++ 18:12 druthb This is a test--I want to do some smoke-testing of things, then we'll offically cut over and move the DNS. 18:12 jcamins fredericd++ 18:12 druthb fredericd++ #making the transfer easy. 18:12 jcamins druthb++ 18:11 druthb linode++ 18:11 cait druthb++ ! 18:11 cait :) 18:11 druthb The only thing that box is doing besides Pootle, is my bip proxy. :) 18:10 cait can log in - looks good to me so far :) 18:09 druthb Anyone who has translation accounts: Please check out http://96.126.118.111/ #userid and pw should be the same as http://translate.koha-community.org 18:09 jcamins Uh-oh. 18:05 magnuse i did it on my local computer already, so it should work, but i'm not sure i'm seeing what i should expect to see 18:04 jcamins magnuse: thanks! 18:02 magnuse jcamins: in ~30 minutes i will have imported and indexed the ~600k marc autority records from MeSH in a public installation, if you want to have a look 17:50 magnuse gah, too late 17:50 magnuse au revoir Joubu 17:50 Joubu bye 17:50 Joubu have a good w-e #koha ! 17:49 * magnuse looked for it in the firebug console 17:49 jcamins I just didn't get anything at all. 17:49 jcamins Nope. 17:48 magnuse did you get an error about return not being in a function or something? 17:42 jcamins Yeah, I don't see it either. 17:38 magnuse the wiki says "Version: tested on Koha 3.2 " 17:38 magnuse it does sound cool, but i'm not seeing the search box 17:37 jcamins We already have jQueryUI. 17:37 jcamins Hm. 17:37 jcamins Maybe I should. 17:37 jcamins However, it sounds really cool. 17:37 jcamins I have not. 17:37 magnuse this, to be precise: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Add_VIAF_autosuggest_for_new_NAME_authorities 17:36 magnuse anyone tried to use the viaf autosuggest javascript thing with a more recent version than 3.2? 17:34 * magnuse waves to cait-m 17:29 oleonard Yeah I've used due dates in the past after accidentally checking something in 17:28 jcamins Right. 17:28 chris_n hmm... maybe take their cookies and milk away? 17:28 jcamins If your librarians ignore all the warnings, there's not a lot you can do. 17:27 jcamins We have a warning. 17:27 jcamins Oh, yes: if you inadvertantly check the box to discharge items without them actually being there to check in. 17:27 * chris_n thinks it should either be impossible or very, very hard 17:26 jcamins chris_n: certainly for testing. 17:25 chris_n is the ability to set past due dates ever justified? 17:14 magnuse goody! 17:14 oleonard magnuse: Yes 17:13 magnuse it's still possible to set due dates in the past right? but you have to use the calendar, so no typos? 17:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Due Date set to 100 years ago. 17:13 jcamins Bug 8972 17:12 jcamins I just pushed it. 17:12 jcamins chris_n: it was for circulation. 17:12 * chris_n could add a check while fixing the due date field verification foo 17:11 chris_n jcamins: was it for fines or circulation? 17:11 chris_n jcamins: at least a check to verify that the due date is in the future 17:10 * chris_n considers an amortization module for fines 17:10 jcamins chris_n: there was just a patch for that. 17:09 chris_n it was a big disappointment to the librarians who thought they now had funding for lots of new stuff ;-) 17:08 magnuse chris_n: retroactive fines - yay! 17:07 magnuse [off] jcamins you should put that in your contracts 17:07 chris_n turns out a librarian fat-fingered the year of the due date: 1912 17:07 * chris_n tries to calm a patron who was fined $3200.25 17:06 jcamins [off] This is why collectors shouldn't be allowed free run around their collections. 17:06 jcamins I am missing four manuscripts. 17:06 francharb_afk seee ya 17:06 francharb_afk time to go 17:06 francharb_afk that's what I'm going to do in french. I can translate it in english. I let you know when it's done! I guess next week. ;) 17:05 magnuse francharb_afk: that would be super awesome! 17:04 francharb_afk magnuse : I can try to do a documention from a librarian perspective like 'i'm cataloguing, i do this, that... if CatalogModuleRelink is set to "Do", then.... if not... 17:04 magnuse when i did the bulk of the normarc work i put it off because there wasn't a normarc framwork, and then i promptly forgot all about it, until the "get to know koha" day on wednesday 17:04 magnuse jcamins: cool 17:04 magnuse ah, well that should be ok then, with the kvortzen and the spazzen 17:03 jcamins Makes perfect sense to me. 17:03 magnuse jcamins: i need to add support for authorities to normarc. normarc does not have a authorities format. does reusing the marc21 frameworks and associated paraphernalia sound too crazy? 17:03 jcamins magnuse: it's really very simple. The frotzen kvortzen and spazzen. 17:01 * magnuse wishes francharb_afk could teleport that understanding into his own head 17:00 francharb see ya 17:00 francharb cronjob checked! linker thing understood! Guess I can take a break now... \0/ 16:57 jcamins lol 16:56 oleonard In that case jcamins you need a scarf that won't blow away: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Fourth_Doctor.jpg/250px-Fourth_Doctor.jpg 16:56 jcamins And because I don't wear T-shirts. 16:56 magnuse distractions! 16:55 jcamins magnuse: I think it's 'cause my scarf nearly blew away as I was walking down the street. 16:55 magnuse oy, why are you people not talking about food? 16:53 francharb :) 16:53 francharb there are 3 parts knitted togother... It's maybe easier than I think... humm! I'm will check that with my knitting friend! 16:53 jcamins Also piecework, though that's small enough that I think I could manage it all at one tension. 16:52 magnuse cait-m: weird distances in germany? :-) 16:52 jcamins What gets me are the cables. 16:52 jcamins And increasing, of course. 16:52 jcamins Looks pretty straightforward... mostly just ribbing and decreasing. 16:52 oleonard For the next Hackfest jcamins can send hand-made scarves instead of fudge 16:51 francharb :) 16:51 francharb rooo! I'm jealous! 16:51 jcamins I think I could do that. 16:51 francharb oleonard, :) 16:50 francharb one day, hopefully, I will be a better knitter to do that 16:50 * oleonard confirms it--never saw francharb without his scarf 16:50 francharb :) 16:50 francharb jcamins, I know!!! 16:50 francharb :) 16:50 francharb during winter I'm scarves obsessed 16:50 jcamins francharb: oooh. That's pretty nice looking. 16:49 * francharb wants to knit more to do that : http://westknits.com/index.php/pattern/scarves-cowls/birdwing/ 16:49 jcamins I want the high kind. 16:49 jcamins No, not that kind. 16:49 francharb ascots and cravats++ 16:48 oleonard jcamins' new look: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Freddie.gif 16:47 druthb O.o 16:47 druthb o.O 16:47 jcamins Perhaps this should be my new year's resolution. 16:47 * jcamins should wear more ascots and cravats. 16:47 * druthb pouts. She didn't give me cookies. 16:45 cait ok, almost home now - bbl 16:44 francharb :) 16:44 francharb cait, ++ 16:44 * cait sends francharb and jcamins cookies 16:44 francharb I'm going to check the cronjob now! \0/ and then time for a break! :) 16:43 jcamins :) 16:43 francharb :) 16:43 francharb ;) 16:43 francharb for today! ;) 16:43 cait heh 16:43 francharb thank you jcamins, that was my last one! 16:43 jcamins Memory leaks are also anathema to troubleshooting. 16:43 jcamins I did, yes. 16:43 Manderson jcamins: thank you, I'll take a look 16:43 cait :) but you fixed it! 16:42 jcamins That used to be the only option, and it used to take days and days and days because there was a massive memory leak in C4::AuthoritiesMarc. 16:42 jcamins Right. 16:42 jcamins By running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl. 16:42 francharb with the cronjob? 16:42 francharb is there another way to relink heading than during cataloguing? 16:41 jcamins Hehe. 16:41 francharb will stop asking question 16:41 francharb jcamins, after this one, I swear, I 16:41 wahanui i guess jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. 16:41 francharb ok jcamins 16:40 cait magnuse: I think the trip from oslo to stuttgart was shorter than the trip from reutlingen to konstanz.... 16:40 jcamins francharb: possibly they were supposed to, but there was a bug and the linking didn't actually occur. 16:40 jcamins francharb: before my patch, headings were never relinked during cataloging. 16:40 cait hey magnuse 16:40 jcamins Manderson: you can see the indexes in etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/koha-biblio-zebradefs.xsl 16:39 francharb jcamins, what? before you're patch, the relink was or wasn't during the cataloguing? 16:39 jcamins cait: I'd rather spend a couple hundred on hard drives. 16:39 cait jcamins: true 16:39 cait jcamins: yes, that is true -but if the database is only used for search and nothing else... shouldn't it be possible ot keep them in control? (the changes) 16:39 jcamins Local changes are anathema to easy troubleshooting. 16:38 jcamins cait: slimming it down would involve local changes to Zebra config files. 16:38 francharb hey cait ! :) 16:38 cait but... the train is moving again at least 16:38 * cait waves at francharb 16:38 cait but it could be the annoying train travel 16:38 cait jcamins: you are confusing me. 16:38 * jcamins thinks not. 16:38 jcamins cait: yeah, but does that really seem like a good idea? 16:37 cait jcamins: in that case it should be possible to slim it down a lot 16:37 jcamins francharb: that's the way it worked before the patch. 16:37 cait jcamins: aaah now I get you 16:37 jcamins magnuse: that's the doubling. 16:37 magnuse and then there is shadow indexing 16:37 francharb jcamins, last question (sorry! I feel like being annoying! ;^) : I was reading Biblio.pm and there is this comment "# By default we probably don't want to relink things when cataloging". Do you remember what you meant? I can't see when the relink can be processed if not during cataloguing actually... 16:37 jcamins So a lot of the indexes we use in Koha probably won't actually be used. 16:37 Manderson Is the list of what is actually indexed on the wiki? Or should I go rooting in the zebra.cnf? 16:37 jcamins In Manderson's case, he's planning for a database used only for federated search via PazPar2. 16:36 cait I am not sure i can follow you right now 16:36 cait jcamins: hm? 16:36 jcamins So we're looking at keyword, title, subject, and maybe author. 16:36 cait but soem are probably only used under very special circumstances 16:36 jcamins cait: this is an external database. 16:36 cait % 16:35 cait hm maybe 80 16:35 jcamins I'd say 99% of the indexes are likely to be unused. 16:35 cait jcamins: you are talking to me too much, it damages your english 16:35 jcamins We have a huge number of indexes. 16:35 cait we index a lot of things 16:35 Manderson I'm not too much concerned about actual storage space as I am about how big the indexes are... 16:35 jcamins wtf is with my English? 16:35 jcamins *lack of disk space 16:34 Manderson ouch 16:34 * jcamins would actually double that allowance, come to think of it. 16:34 jcamins When the index fails 990k records in due to loss of disk space, you'll be _really_ unhappy. 16:33 jcamins (for a total usable space of 2TB. 16:33 jcamins *four 16:33 jcamins right now you can requisition for 1TB drives and stick them in the server. 16:33 jcamins Let me put it this way: 16:32 Manderson Wow! Really? 16:32 jcamins Assume 1GB per 50k records. 16:31 jcamins There is not, exactly. 16:31 Manderson Wonder if there's a ratio of index size to db size 16:31 jcamins 1M records... 16:30 cait I think 16:30 cait more gb then mb then 16:30 Manderson Let's just say with a DB containing 1M biblio records with associated items. 16:30 Manderson Can someone give me an estimate for how large the zebra indexes can get for larger catalogs? Are we looking at hundreds of megabytes? Gigabytes? 16:20 francharb :) 16:20 jcamins Yay! 16:20 jcamins You're welcome. :) 16:20 francharb it's clear now! 16:20 francharb thank you 16:19 francharb \0/ 16:19 jcamins Exactly. 16:19 francharb kov, Jared--Coin collections" because the linker goes through the autority file, find the good one and is able to relink the autority to the heading. 16:19 francharb So if a librarian manually links a heading to the authority for "Camins-Esakov, Jared--Bibliography" (meaning that he used the authority plugin to chose it within the authority file) then changes it to "Camins-Esakov, Jared--Coin collections" (meaning that he changed the heading within the biblio not using the authority plugin). if CatalogModuleRelink is set to "Do," the heading will get linked to the authority for "Camins-Esa 16:19 wahanui i already had it that way, francharb. 16:19 francharb CatalogModuleRelink sets whether the linker is run after a librarian manually edits the record. 16:19 francharb jcamins, it all became clearer but I still have a little bit of greyness in the final understanding! I'm going to rewrite your example. could you tell me if i'm right? 16:03 reiveune bye 15:59 francharb sure! :) 15:58 jcamins Detailed bug reports explaining when it doesn't work are always welcomed. 15:57 jcamins You're welcome. 15:57 francharb :) 15:57 francharb thanks! 15:57 francharb thank you very much! I think I have enought information to explane it to the librarians I'm working with and see if it's relevant for them! 15:55 jcamins That's correct. If LinkerRelink is set to "Don't," the linker will _never_ relink a heading. 15:55 francharb (thank you for you patience!) ;) 15:54 francharb ok 15:54 * jcamins can't remember. Let me check. 15:53 francharb even if you turn CatalogModuleRelink to "Do"? 15:53 jcamins Right. 15:50 francharb so with your previous example, the link won't change? 15:49 jcamins With LinkerRelink set to "Don't," no link will ever be changed. 15:49 francharb ;) 15:49 francharb s/so what/so what is/ 15:49 francharb jcamins, so what the difference with " LinkerRelink "? 15:48 francharb ok 15:48 jcamins Exactly. 15:48 francharb jcamins, when you say "manually link a heading" what does it mean? the librarian use the authority plugin to retrieve the authority, right? 15:47 jcamins But it will use your entire authority file for linking. 15:47 francharb ok 15:46 jcamins It will not change existing bib records unless you tell it to. 15:46 francharb jcamins, it means the linker doesn't work only for new authorities but with every authorities previously catalogued, right? 15:46 jcamins So if a librarian manually links a heading to the authority for Camins-Esakov, Jared--Bibliography then changes it to Camins-Esakov, Jared--Coin collections, if CatalogModuleRelink is set to "Do," the heading will get linked to the authority for Camins-Esakov, Jared--Coin collections. 15:45 francharb ok 15:45 jcamins CatalogModuleRelink sets whether the linker is run after a librarian manually edits the record. 15:44 jcamins However, you may not even need it with UNIMARC, since your authorities generally involve only one subdivision. 15:44 francharb and explanation as well about this one 15:44 francharb I found your patch 15:44 francharb then, I have hard time to understand " CatalogModuleRelink " 15:44 francharb ok 15:44 jcamins Oh, and, of course, you have to run it once when you first start using Koha. 15:43 francharb ok! understood! :) 15:43 jcamins Or loading authorities after bibs. 15:43 jcamins You need the cron job only if you are reloading authorities. 15:43 jcamins No. 15:43 jcamins link_bibs_to_authorities.pl obeys the syspref. 15:42 francharb Do I need to set up the cronjob to make the linkers work? 15:42 francharb first : it 's the relation between link_bibs_to_authorities.pl and the syspref 15:42 jcamins Of course! 15:42 jcamins francharb: what are you having trouble with? 15:42 francharb Can I ask you some question? 15:41 jcamins Manderson: that's a shame. :P 15:41 francharb but it's not clear to me 15:41 Manderson YEs 15:41 wahanui item information is, like, interesting 15:41 jcamins Manderson: item information. 15:41 francharb hey, jcamins I'm trying to understand this : http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug7284_authority_matching_improvement#Improved_Koha.27s_authority_linker_cron_job_.28misc.2Flink_bibs_to_authorities.pl.29 15:41 wahanui somebody said availability information was passed in directly by C4::Search. 15:41 Manderson jcamins: availability information? 15:40 francharb jcamins, hi! 15:40 jcamins Hi francharb! 15:40 francharb hope everyone is doing well 15:40 francharb hey there 15:40 jcamins Is there availability information in those records? 15:40 jcamins Yeah, separate Zebra index is the way to go. 15:40 Manderson :) 15:40 Manderson We're CCRRRRAAAAZZZYYYY 15:39 Manderson We do it multiple times per week 15:39 Manderson Pretty large data sets. 15:39 jcamins You wouldn't want to import that many every week. 15:39 jcamins Yes. 15:39 Manderson Millions. 15:39 jcamins how many records? 15:39 jcamins Well... 15:37 Manderson that's how I have it planned in my head 15:35 Manderson But you think it would have to be via Z3950 server and separate zebra indexes? 15:35 jcamins So, yeah, totally doable. 15:35 jcamins Koha can't fix political issues. 15:35 Manderson LOL 15:35 jcamins There we go. 15:35 wahanui problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. 15:35 jcamins problem? 15:35 wahanui the problem is, like, that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values 15:35 jcamins the problem? 15:35 wahanui somebody said the problem was that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values 15:35 jcamins the problem? 15:35 Manderson hahhaha 15:35 jcamins You're right. 15:34 Manderson it's an awful setup. 15:34 Manderson *sigh* 15:34 Manderson But our customers want to query their data... 15:34 Manderson Our customers get a full copy of another library's catalog. The other library is on a closed network, so we don't have access to it. 15:33 jcamins Why do you do that? I think probably Koha offers you a solution that isn't awful. 15:33 * jcamins wouldn't be able to use IRC if he had to do that... he would've bludgeoned himself to death with the nearest blunt object. 15:32 Manderson This is what we go through now, unfortunately. 15:32 jcamins Better to just query the actual catalog directly. 15:32 jcamins You'd have to sync the data daily with the actual catalog. 15:31 jcamins It'd be possible, but I'd say it'd be a pretty terrible idea. 15:31 Manderson of course, I'd have to have a separate zebra server for each one, I suppose 15:31 Manderson What I am thinking is that I could import them, and have them running on their own z3950 server so that it would be a federated search 15:31 jcamins You'll just go crazy trying to deal with syncing. 15:30 jcamins If the canonical source of data isn't Koha, don't put the data into a Koha installation. 15:30 jcamins You could, but shouldn't. 15:30 jcamins Ah. 15:29 Manderson different name of course 15:29 Manderson Well, meaning, if I got a copy of their actual mysql database, could I import that as a new database on the same server as mine? 15:29 jcamins Koha supports federated searching via Z39.50. 15:29 vfernandes ok thanks jcamins 15:28 jcamins Manderson: if you mean federated searching, yes. 15:28 jcamins Tell the client they need to reduce the number of results per page if they want it to be faster. 15:28 Manderson Well, if I had three different library catalogs and I wanted to combine them into one 'logical' library without disturbing the other outside catalogs. 15:28 jcamins vfernandes: since you're on 3.2.10, I don't think there's anything you can do about performance. 15:27 jcamins Manderson: what do you mean? 15:27 jcamins Yup. 15:27 Manderson Does Koha support multiple catalogs? 15:27 jcamins Unfortunately, I think I have some bad news for you... the syspref was added in 3.4, as I recall. 15:27 vfernandes how to disable COinS 15:26 jcamins Just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? 15:26 jcamins ContextObject in Span. 15:26 jcamins *stands for; CO... 15:25 jcamins Yeah. I don't know what it stands for CO in Span, I think. 15:25 oleonard 150 is a lot! 15:25 vfernandes COinS? 15:25 jcamins With COinS enabled. 15:25 vfernandes yes that's what the client wants 15:24 jcamins You have 150 on a page. 15:24 jcamins It's the number of results. 15:24 jcamins Simply upgrading the system might be what's called for, of course. 15:24 jcamins And reduce the number of results shown per page. 15:23 jcamins You can disable COinS on the results page, and itemtype icons. 15:23 jcamins I thought you meant improving the results. 15:23 jcamins It's not Zebra that takes so long. 15:22 jcamins If you mean, "is there an easy way to improve things?" the answer is no, unfortunately. 15:22 vfernandes http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=computer it takes sometimes 15 seconds to return results 15:22 jcamins I'm starting 1(b).ii. and 1(b).iii. 15:22 jcamins ^^ there is the proposal. 15:22 wahanui Search rewrite is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 15:22 jcamins Search rewrite? 15:22 jcamins vfernandes: yes, that's why I have proposed a search rewrite. 15:21 vfernandes it's possible to improve Zebra searches? 15:21 vfernandes hi guys 15:15 cait bye 15:15 cait getting ready to switch trains... again 15:14 oleonard I see chris_n, thanks. 15:14 cait jcamins: love that idea 15:13 oleonard Yes? 15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9017 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Quote of the day: Table footer not translated 15:13 chris_n oleonard: bug 9017 15:13 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 15:13 jcamins @later tell rangi Would it be possible for you to set it up so that we can step bug statuses on Bugzilla backwards? (Pushed to Master->Passed QA, Passed QA->Signed Off, Signed Off->Needs Signoff) 15:07 cait hm ok 15:07 jcamins And "non-linear" doesn't mean that updates would be applied out of order by default. 15:07 jcamins cait: it'd still require a complete rewrite of the update system. 15:05 cait jcamins: hm, but couldn't it be done? even with linear? 15:04 jcamins That's one of the arguments for the non-linear updates. 15:04 jcamins oleonard: updatedatabase as it works now does not provide any possibility of listing upgrades that will be performed. 15:02 oleonard We really need a system of user preferences to go along with user permissions. 14:59 cait or for use with serial items 14:59 cait I think hte bigger university libraries with lots of branches maybe 14:59 cait yep 14:58 oleonard It's only my assumption that the filter feature is being added for a library that has so many items they can't easily find it by scanning the list 14:58 oleonard I don't know. 14:57 cait but what is X? 14:57 cait oleonard: sounds like a good thought to me 14:56 oleonard I'm not sure how to handle 9034... Perhaps only trigger the filters if there are more than X attached items? 14:56 oleonard I'd like to see 9044 tied either to patron category or to a permission 14:55 cait maybe we need prefs or permissions to be able to create an easier view? 14:55 cait do you have ideas how to make it work? :( 14:54 cait well, that's not really good 14:54 cait lol 14:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions 14:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add sorting and filtering on items table (catalogue/detail.pl) 14:53 oleonard Between Bug 9034 and Bug 9044 the detail page is starting to look like this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3476/3361558523_7f5213360f.jpg 14:27 oleonard Man, Firefox has been crashy crashy this week. I wish I knew whether it was the browser or the addons. 14:01 cait oleonard: I think he spent too much time at meetings maybe 14:01 oleonard Or maybe not /enough/! 14:01 druthb too many carbs, it sounds like. 13:59 * chris_n wonders what oleonard had for breakfast 13:59 chris_n lol 13:57 oleonard chris_n: We should put in a memo to corporate asking authorization to requisition a work order to develop a spec on defining a committee to explore that option 13:53 chris_n too bad installer does not bold or red this: Warning to Koha System Administrators: If you use borrower attributes..... 13:51 * cait nods 13:49 oleonard Just an idle thought. 13:48 oleonard Yes, the comments in updatedatabase.pl. 13:47 cait so before doing it, already show the comments for the updates? 13:46 cait aah 13:46 oleonard When you have to update the database? 13:46 cait oleonard: hm? 13:45 oleonard Seems sensible to give you an idea of what is going to happen. 13:44 oleonard I wish the update page that said "We're updating you from 3.09.00.xxx to 3.09.00.xxx" was the page that showed what updates were going to be performed. 13:21 * magnuse needs some fresh air now 13:20 magnuse time from booting a fresh linode to logging in to koha as myself: 30 minutes :-) 13:18 oleonard Hi #koha 13:06 magnuse this looks like it is going smoother, yes :-) 12:55 magnuse okelydokely, and thanks jcamins 12:53 jcamins Then, yeah, i386 would probably be more convenient. 12:50 magnuse i just want to have a server where my customers can test 3.10 with their own data 12:49 magnuse i'll try that 12:48 magnuse yay :-) 12:48 jcamins I understand it Just Works. 12:48 magnuse ah 12:48 jcamins 32-bit is definitely a lot easier. 12:47 magnuse could 32 bit be better? this is way over my voodoo level... 12:45 jcamins I suspect I built the amd64 packages incorrectly. 12:44 magnuse kia ora NateC! 12:41 magnuse hm, i'm trying to just install the official packages, not build my own, this time 12:40 magnuse "sudo dpkg --print-architecture" says amd64 12:40 jcamins The easy thing to do is simply delete CHI from the dependency list when building the package. 12:39 * jcamins isn't sure how to fix it this morning. 12:37 tcohen morning #koha 12:37 jcamins I think I still have the build scripts. 12:37 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 20.0°C (9:00 AM ART on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Rising). 12:37 tcohen @wunder Cordoba, Argentina 12:36 jcamins Oh, maybe that has to do with the fact that I use pbuilder on Ubuntu now... 12:34 jcamins I can't find it in my bash history. 12:34 magnuse ah 12:34 magnuse or is that reserved for eythian the high wizard of packages? ;-) 12:34 jcamins No. :( 12:34 magnuse do you know the magic? 12:32 jcamins Unfortunately, it looks like they still aren't installing without some sort of magic. 12:32 jcamins I got from eythian that the package was i386 only, so I built x64 packages. 12:32 * jcamins either. 12:31 magnuse ...but didn't understand much of 12:31 jcamins Yeah. 12:31 magnuse ah the multiarch thing i saw someone talking about? 12:31 jcamins I thought eythian and I fixed it. 12:31 jcamins It was the architecture. 12:30 jcamins I had that problem. 12:30 magnuse looks like CHI is the problem 12:30 magnuse i'm doing squeeze-dev, not squeeze 12:29 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "installing squeeze-dev" (70 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/265 12:28 magnuse one sec 12:28 magnuse jcamins: not for me. i'm on a freshly installed linode 12:28 jcamins What error are you getting? 12:27 jcamins_away And it does for me. 12:27 jcamins_away magnuse: yes. 12:26 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 12:26 magnuse @later tell jcamins: shouldn't "sudo apt-get install koha-common" work on debian 6.0.6? 11:59 magnuse will investigate further, but not now 11:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9028 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Optionally show only the number of available copies in result lists in OPAC 11:59 magnuse not sure if bug 9028 is a duplicate of 5079, i have marked them as "See Also" at least 11:54 magnuse yeah 11:54 cait1 magnuse: maybe, but could be a third setting? 11:54 magnuse hm, sounds like OPACItemsResultsDisplay would still let all the branch names be shown, not just "Available copies: 24"? 11:52 magnuse cait++ 11:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs 11:50 cait1 bug 5079 11:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7441 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Patch doesn't apply , search results showing wrong branch? 11:50 cait1 bug 7441 11:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5229 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACItemsResultsDisplay preference does not work with XSLT results 11:50 cait1 bug 5229 11:47 magnuse where's eythian when you need him? ;-) 11:46 magnuse huh, i can't install the "Development Version" of the packages on Debian 6.0.6? 08:18 magnuse http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?list_id=45924&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major&bug_severity=normal&bug_severity=minor&bug_severity=trivial&query_format=advanced&bug_status=In%20Discussion&bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&version=3.10&version=master 08:18 magnuse Severity: blocker, critical, major, normal, minor, trivial + Status: In Discussion, Needs Signoff + Version: 3.10, master = 42 bugs 08:15 cait hi matts :) 08:15 matts hi ! 08:00 magnuse hiya cait 08:00 magnuse Patch does not apply: 36 07:59 cait morning 07:59 magnuse Failed QA: 98 07:59 magnuse In discussion: 80 07:59 magnuse Needs signoff: 108 07:57 magnuse hiya Joubu 07:56 Joubu hello #koha 07:48 magnuse ooh, the global bug squashing weekend is already started: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-11-09_Global_bug_squashing_weekend 07:46 reiveune salut magnuse :) 07:46 magnuse hiya reiveune 07:46 reiveune hello 07:45 sophie_m hi magnuse 07:45 julian_m hello magnuse 07:45 magnuse bonjour julian_m paul_p sophie_m 07:34 magnuse not too bad 07:34 magnuse hehe 07:34 alex_a ouch 07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 07:34 magnuse @wunder boo 07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (8:00 AM CET on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 07:34 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:33 alex_a bonjour magnuse 07:25 magnuse bonjour alex_a 07:24 alex_a bonjour 07:13 * druthb heads to bed. 07:08 druthb probably. 07:07 * magnuse is assuming it's triggered by the mib_ part 07:07 magnuse that's nice 07:07 magnuse ooh #dancer has a bot that says things like "Welcome mib_y3vb63! Feel free to use /nick yournickhere to select a nicer nick. If you need any help, ask away - there's usually someone around to help." 07:04 druthb :) 07:04 magnuse lol 07:04 druthb_ She does that all the time. 07:04 druthb I do that all the time. 07:04 magnuse yay you can talk to yourself now :-) 07:03 druthb_ :P 07:02 druthb a-yup. I need to coax AndroIRC on my tablet yet, but that'll keep. 07:02 magnuse and now you can forget about it and just let it do its job :-) 07:01 druthb Then had to coax Pidgin on my laptop to talk to it... 07:01 druthb I used the autoconfig script, and that helped. 07:01 druthb yep. 07:00 magnuse but it kinda cool once it's running 07:00 * magnuse found the config file for bip somewhat daunting 07:00 druthb I'm lovin' it! 06:58 magnuse that would do it :-) 06:58 magnuse ah 06:57 druthb I've been tweaking bip. :) 06:57 druthb Hi, magnuse. :) 06:57 magnuse hang in there druthb :-) 06:52 * magnuse waves 06:47 * druthb scratches her head. 06:30 francharb 0/ druthb 06:30 druthb g'morning, francharb! :) 06:30 francharb good morning all 06:29 druthb bip++ 05:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Availability facet needs an id 05:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Due Date set to 100 years ago. 05:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8832 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , can't enter a tax rate on vendor or when ordering 05:51 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8832: Increment version number 05:51 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8989 - Availability facet needs an id 05:51 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8972 - Due Date set to 100 years ago 05:51 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8832: Update the gist pref and hide the tax rate value if not needed 05:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #936: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/936/ 05:41 * druthb does a happy-geek dance. 05:35 druthb wahoo! Got a pootle server breathing! 04:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #936 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 04:43 mtj it was simplier to fix, and allows people to use that marc-tag in the future 04:42 mtj ultimately his patch probably was the best choice 04:41 mtj nuno's patch was just to add the coded_location_qualifier col to items table 04:41 mtj my patch was to remove coded_location_qualifier stuff from the frameworks, as it was never used... 04:40 jcamins Got it. 04:40 mtj yep, pretty much 04:37 jcamins You wrote a patch, it was signed off, it failed QA, and then Nuno wrote a counter-patch that was signed off and passed QA? 04:36 jcamins I'm having some trouble following that bug. 04:36 mtj i qae-ed Nuño's patch 04:35 jcamins Good. :) 04:35 jcamins Okay. 04:35 mtj no 04:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6428 normal, P2, ---, nunyo, Passed QA , refered column 'items.coded_location_qualifier' does not exist 04:35 jcamins mtj: did you QA your own patch on bug 6428? 04:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8832' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=736baf6ade69449dd42a62e77ed44cb0c83a09df> / Bug 8832: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=06016055c6689f29d28f6e5053d76ccfc041a436> / Bug 8989 - Availability facet needs an id <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1bf83bae8415443505e687220e 04:33 jcamins Okay, pushed a couple of patches. 04:28 jcamins Never mind. 04:28 jcamins That's weird. 04:28 jcamins Oh, wait. 04:22 jcamins A test saved me from pushing a broken master. 04:22 jcamins tests++ 03:33 * druthb must now go look at the logs, to see what *that* was about... 03:33 huginn druthb: jcamins was last seen in #koha 14 minutes and 26 seconds ago: <jcamins> Are you going to get killed on an away mission? Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! 03:33 druthb @seen jcamins 03:33 wahanui jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. 03:33 druthb wahanui: jcamins? 03:31 druthb o/ 03:26 mtj but then again… i dont know any Koha dev that would say they do completely understand either of those 2 sysprefs 03:23 mtj for me, 'item-level_itypes' and 'independant_branches' have been two things ive never really understood in Koha :/ 03:19 mtj http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/groups-celebrate-gay-red-shirt-day-today-5206860 03:18 jcamins Are you going to get killed on an away mission? Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! 03:18 jcamins Red shirt? 03:17 rangi most ppl were like me and forgot i think 03:17 mtj hows your big gay red-shirt day going over there, chris? 03:16 rangi but now im done for the week 03:16 rangi mtj: jcamins just reminded me the display is a lot nicer with biblio level itemtypes 03:15 jcamins Thanks. 03:15 mtj i just did 03:14 jcamins Who QAed 8989? 03:13 rangi thats why it is there 03:13 rangi yes 03:13 mtj is that a feature? 03:12 rangi circulation rules use that itemtype 03:12 mtj so, idiot-mode here - what does having a koha with item-level_itypes set to bibs, do? 03:11 rangi so dont remove that feature then :) 03:11 mtj yeah, i gotta agree :/ 03:11 rangi and theres still stuff like catalogue maintenance that i havent put back yet 03:11 rangi is putting shit back 03:11 rangi at least 70% of the bugs i have fixed in the last 7 years 03:10 rangi because they dont use them themselves 03:10 rangi i wish people would stop removing features people use 03:10 rangi i definitely dont 03:10 jcamins I'm not sure I agree with that. 03:09 mtj the real fix is to finally remove 'item-level_itypes' syspref , and hardcode it to 'item' 03:09 jcamins Wouldn't be such a problem if we did things sanely. 03:08 jcamins The way kados decided to do frameworks was damn stupid. 03:08 mtj hmm, yeah i can a bug around this… :/ 03:07 jcamins mtj: the problem with that is that if you switch the syspref, the framework won't respect that. 03:07 mtj … therefore, that 942-itemtype should be set off, too? 03:06 jcamins rangi: in principle, 001 should have biblionumber and 003 should have some sort of library identifier, always. 03:06 mtj so, item-level_itypes is set to item, not bib - by default 03:05 rangi otherwise all your circ, is a mess 03:04 rangi with itemlevelitemtypes 03:04 jcamins Right. 03:04 jcamins Ohhh. 03:04 jcamins rangi says not to. 03:04 rangi unless your patch respects the syspref 03:04 mtj no? 03:04 jcamins Oh, no, don't do that. 03:04 rangi mtj: dont do that 03:04 jcamins mtj: that makes sense to me. 03:04 mtj it is currently - and it bugs me stupid! i wanna send a patch to disable that, on new installs 03:04 jcamins rangi: I'm not sure, honestly. 03:03 mtj heres are related Q… should 942-itemtype be a required field, when cataloging? 03:00 rangi i could try to read the specs 03:00 rangi jcamins: shoudl 003 be mandatory? 03:00 huginn rangi: The MARC code for the organization whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number). [] 03:00 rangi @marc 003 02:56 jcamins Mmm. 02:52 mtj and a little dash of butter 02:51 mtj tahini and homemade peanut-butter on sourdough , over here 02:46 * jcamins is making rum chocolate chip cookies. 02:46 mtj (not quite sure that i've earned one yet :/ ) 02:45 mtj yeah, im def. thinking about beer about now… 02:38 wahanui OK, jcamins. 02:38 jcamins wahanui: beer o'clock is a vital part of the Koha development process. 02:38 eythian it's approaching. 02:37 jcamins beer o'clock? 02:34 wahanui wish i knew, eythian 02:34 eythian wahanui: are you there? 02:33 eythian wahanui: isitbeeroclockyet? 02:33 eythian wahanui: isitbeero'clockyet? 02:33 eythian wahanui: is it beer o'clock yet? 01:45 mtj … thus encouraging them to log annoying warning they spot 01:44 mtj any opinions? i was thinking an omnibus bug might be a little less hassle for people... 01:43 mtj so, do we log a new bug for every warning message spotted, or just paste them all in that bug? 01:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8817 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , omnibus bug for warning messages 01:42 mtj ive created an 'omnibus' bug here -> bug 8817 01:42 mtj anyone got a good suggestion for logging bugs for warning messages in koha 01:38 Manderson Thank you - this is a learning process for me :) 01:35 jcamins Yay! 01:34 Manderson That picked them up! 01:33 Manderson I'll try that 01:32 jcamins If -r didn't pick them up, you neglected to click "save." 01:32 jcamins With -r or -z? 01:31 Manderson jcamins: I just ran in manually 01:31 Manderson Ok, it got the one that I manually cataloged, but the ones I've attempted to import via z3950 still haven't been indexed... 01:30 jcamins It only runs every n minutes. 01:29 Manderson Of course, when I ask you, it now does it. 01:29 rangi have a look at crontab.example file 01:29 rangi should run it with -z 01:29 rangi yep 01:29 Manderson that's the rebuild_zebra.pl script, correct? 01:29 rangi lol 01:29 * jcamins is done answering questions until he's _sure_ rangi isn't responding too. 01:29 jcamins Right, that's it! 01:28 jcamins You don't have your cron job set up, and you're reindexing when you do a bulk import. 01:28 jcamins Yes. 01:28 rangi you dont have your cron jobs set up to reindex? 01:28 Manderson When I catalog something manually, or import it from Z3950, it doesn't show up in the catalog, but if I do a bulk import, all those will show up - any idea what's going on? 01:18 Manderson Thanks for the input, guys! 01:16 jcamins rangi++ 01:16 jcamins Good plan. 01:16 rangi i think ill just sign off some patches instead 01:16 rangi however to change that to utc, would involve a lot of changes 01:15 rangi yeah we just use whatever the servers locale is 01:15 eythian hmm, true 01:15 jcamins We store times only in one locale. 01:14 jcamins eythian: I don't think that's how it would work. 01:14 eythian It's not always the best idea (though it might be in this case.) E.g. you might want "17:00" to mean 5pm no matter the time zone for some cases. 01:13 rangi however im sure as hell not going to try and implement that now :) 01:13 jcamins I'd think we ought to, at least. 01:12 rangi he's right, wtf arent we storing in utc ? 01:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9031 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Overdue items crossing DST boundary throw invalid local time exception 01:12 rangi bug 9031 01:11 mtj rangi++ perfect 01:10 rangi there did my best 01:10 wahanui eythian: jcamins =is= RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.|brilliant|too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. 01:10 eythian wahanui: literal jcamins 01:09 mtj ah, sorry - i was fishing for wahanui's recent quote for you…. but its changed 01:08 jcamins mtj: yes? 01:07 eythian There's a big gap inbetween the two edges. 01:07 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. 01:07 mtj jcamins? 01:07 jcamins It doesn't happen frequently, it just doesn't happen infrequently. 01:07 jcamins And eythian's translation of my sentence was accurate. 01:07 rangi ill have a go 01:07 * jcamins would not manage to do it diplomatically. 01:06 rangi yep, i think replying and saying, please ask on the mailing list for support questions or contact a support vendor 01:05 jcamins That person is treating Bugzilla like we're a support vendor. 01:05 jcamins You'll also almost certainly crash your server. 01:04 jcamins If you manage to deadlock two indexing processes, you'll corrupt your indexes. 01:04 jcamins Well, that's not entirely true. 01:04 jcamins Indexes aren't updated in realtime. 01:04 jcamins Nope, nothing to do with contention. 01:02 Manderson :P 01:01 eythian no, just not infrequently 01:00 Manderson So....it happens frequently? :) 01:00 Manderson "It does happen not infrequently" 01:00 Manderson Trying to decipher your last sentence... 00:59 Manderson Bulk imports occuring simultaneously or maybe concurrent cataloging? 00:59 Manderson Wondering if it has to do with contention..? 00:58 jcamins No, in all honesty I have no idea. It does happen not infrequently, though. 00:58 jcamins Sneezing is a common one. 00:58 Manderson I was just reading about how to recover from a corrupted index, but I'm wondering what the liklihood of something like that happening is? 00:58 jcamins Manderson: many things. 00:57 Manderson jcamins: what might cause a zebra index to become corrupted? 00:48 jcamins I hate it when I do that. 00:48 * jcamins sighs. 00:48 jcamins Answer: right next to my computer, you dummy. 00:48 mtj its a 'two birds, with one stone' thing :) 00:47 mtj if a bunch of us devs switched to mariadb now, we could be testing koha+maria as we do our everyday koha work 00:47 jcamins Where would I have put my magnifying glass and loupe? 00:46 jcamins Agreed. 00:45 mtj my reasoning is… it's wise to start testing on maria *before* mysql/oracle explodes 00:45 jcamins You'll catch more problems. 00:45 jcamins That's good. 00:43 mtj ive even been QA-ing on my master+maria setup (sshhh) 00:42 mtj … and ive being running maria for 6 weeks now (just checked) 00:42 jcamins I think he fixed it. 00:42 mtj yeah, i heard he bumped into some incompatible sql, back then - ive get to find any... 00:40 jcamins Or something like that. 00:40 jcamins I think he ran into two problematic queries that he patched, and that was it. 00:40 mtj i did the switch the day after we last meet (japanese with kate) and so far… no problems at all?! 00:39 jcamins chris_n tried Koha w/MariaDB. 00:39 tcohen should work out of the box 00:39 jcamins_away Worth a try. 00:38 eythian not a bad idea. 00:38 rangi cant hurt 00:38 mtj hmmm, i might write an email to koha-dev encourging people to start deving/testing koha stuff, on mariadb 00:37 mtj the 'toolbox' analogy :) 00:36 mtj aah, ive read this one before 00:36 eythian it is 00:35 mtj wow, that veekun post is detailed 00:33 eythian it was looking bored 00:33 mtj robin, stop taunting the bot 00:02 wahanui okay, eythian. 00:02 eythian wahanui: php is also http://www.php.net/goto