Time Nick Message
23:53 mtj s/installed/created/ :)
23:51 mtj s/system/db/
23:51 mtj yeah, i can see that - you cant upgrade a system that was never installed to start with
23:50 mtj cool, thats is indeed whats just happened here (just wanted to confim) :)
23:50 jcamins Note that this means that if you created an instance and never ran the web installer you'll get a screen full of warnings.
23:50 mtj gotcha :)
23:50 jcamins It's run automatically.
23:50 jcamins No.
23:50 mtj or, does the upgradedatabase.pl get triggered , when the superuser logs into the staff client next?
23:49 jcamins Yes.
23:49 mtj after a 'apt-get upgrade koha-common' is run successfully - does the upgradedatabase.pl script get run too, automatically?
23:48 jcamins Yes?
23:48 mtj ive got a koha package upgrade Q...
23:47 gaetan_B bye
23:10 jcamins Considering it started snowing about 3 hours ago, that promises downed wires if it really snows for the next 13 hours.
23:07 jcamins There is a car stuck outside, it sounds like.
23:07 rangi thats not good
23:07 jcamins So it sounds like this snowstorm really is pretty serious.
23:06 jcamins Wow.
22:52 rangi sweet
22:52 jcamins I did.
22:50 rangi did you want to answer?
22:47 rangi *nod*
22:47 jcamins Yeah, logic told me that if you do that any data you try to connect to the anonymous user will go spectacularly missing.
22:47 rangi it will go badly
22:47 jcamins That's what I thought.
22:47 rangi thats the kohaadmin user
22:47 rangi jcamins: no
22:45 cjh oleonard++
22:45 cjh heh "kick koha's tires and see if you can break something!"
22:43 jcamins Can you use patron 0 as an anonymous patron?
22:36 rangi Righto my stop bbiab
22:33 rangi I think it would be one of their more profitable wednesdays
22:30 eythian rangi: ah right, I didn't go in, but I did see that it didn't appear to last long
22:30 bag nice
22:30 eythian bag: they brewed a batch of it here for yesterday
22:29 rangi Cos hashigo zake was too full
22:29 bag I have a friend that was working on the obama campaign and got some of the obama collection white house ale last night
22:28 eythian ah right
22:28 rangi We ended up at the Malthouse
22:28 rangi I didn't
22:28 eythian rangi: did you get the white house beer last night?
22:25 rangi Hehe
22:24 bag I had arrogant bastard ale lastnight - cause all them in the elections are like that ALE
22:23 rangi Which was ok
22:23 rangi I also tried Bling ipa
22:23 bag not the true nectar!
22:22 rangi I tried it last night it is good
22:22 bag heh
22:22 bag I was thinking - tumblr like a webpage
22:22 bag it's good
22:22 bag oh what I have!!!
22:22 bag no I have not
22:21 rangi Bag: have you tried Sierra nevada tumbler?
22:19 * rangi waves from the bus
22:16 jcamins Interesting: http://cartographer.visualmotive.com/
22:01 francharb see ya
22:01 francharb time to sleep
22:01 eythian yeah the 'daemon' tool wraps even self-backgrounding things in handy ways to make them easier to manage
21:45 Manderson Thanks
21:45 Manderson Gotcha
21:44 jcamins I'm not sure, though.
21:44 jcamins Manderson: I think the reason we don't use it is that it is hard to stop the daemon.
21:44 Manderson starts up and throws itself into the background
21:44 Manderson jcamins: Zebra itself has a daemon option... -D
21:42 jcamins Selfcheck machines, ebook systems, etc.
21:42 Manderson jcamins: thanks, I'll take a look
21:41 ras0ir what's sip used for? rfid?
21:41 jcamins ras0ir: koha-zebra-ctl is the key one.
21:41 jcamins set-selinux-labels.sh
21:40 jcamins Manderson: actually, looks like someone tested the script and it got in.
21:40 ras0ir thanks
21:40 jcamins ras0ir: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/bin;h=88f8c17deb154cdfe6f5a0407c8deca0780a8556;hb=HEAD
21:39 ras0ir could someone paste init scripts for koha, i'd like to create systemd units
21:37 Manderson Gotcha
21:37 Manderson Ahh
21:36 jcamins It requires the "daemon" program, which apparently isn't used in Red Hat and its derivatives.
21:36 jcamins Manderson: it doesn't work under Red Hat.
21:35 Manderson Is there a scrip that launches zebra in daemon mode?
21:23 jcamins Unfortunately, I don't have a system with SELinux so I can't test it.
21:22 Manderson No worries...at this point, I am not concerned about it being enforced, so I just disabled it for the time being.
21:22 jcamins It needs someone to test it.
21:22 jcamins I'd forgotten that was on Red Hat.
21:22 jcamins Manderson: oh, darn. I should've told you there's a patch for the SELinux problems.
21:21 Manderson Thanks mtj
21:21 Manderson Oh...also...SELinux got in the way some.
21:21 mtj Manderson, congrats on your tenacity :)
21:21 jcamins lol
21:21 ras0ir lol
21:21 cjh heh
21:20 rangi but not where i put my glasses 10 mins ago
21:20 rangi i can remember stuff like that
21:20 rangi sometime my memory scares me
21:20 rangi http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2003-June/026137.html
21:20 cjh that is an awesome script
21:20 rangi someone did rpm for a bunch of them
21:20 rangi back in the day
21:19 Manderson yessir
21:19 rangi its very handy eh
21:19 Manderson rangi: thank god for that perl script
21:19 cjh awesome
21:19 rangi in a git checkout
21:19 rangi ./koha_perl_deps.pl -a
21:18 rangi cjh: you can go
21:18 jcamins Hm... I think this snow could be called "driving."
21:18 Manderson rangi: to get many of them working, I had to download the header files, which requires enabling the "optional" yum repo to get them
21:18 rangi yep
21:18 cjh is there a list of all the koha deps?
21:18 rangi it just needs someone to want to enough to do it :)
21:18 rangi they are all .deb packaged, theres no reason there couldnt be .rpm of them all too
21:17 rangi Manderson: yep, thats where most ppl give up
21:17 * oleonard waves goodbye for the evening
21:17 rangi ahh right
21:17 Manderson Had to CPAN most of them and resolve dependencies manually
21:17 cjh rangi: no I didnt package it, it was yhager.
21:17 Manderson Perl packages were a bitch
21:17 Manderson RH Enterprise Linux Server 6
21:17 ras0ir jcamins: i think it's because of lack of perl packages and zebra stuff
21:17 Manderson Pretty much
21:16 jcamins What version of Red Hat?
21:16 jcamins *?
21:16 jcamins Manderson: and it just worked? Just like that.
21:16 rangi i think more have trouble with centos/fedora than redhat itself
21:16 Manderson All I did to get it running on Redhat was to compile Yaz and Zebra from source, link all their binaries and libraries into /usr/bin and /usr/lib respectively.
21:16 rangi cjh: did you package that?
21:16 jcamins I think several people have gone insane trying to install Koha under Red Hat.
21:15 ras0ir cjh: yes
21:15 cjh ras0ir: did you use the package on the aur?
21:15 jcamins ras0ir: a couple of people have been successful with that. Red Hat is particularly unfriendly.
21:15 oleonard Okay, I guess in the context of getting it running on a new distro
21:15 ras0ir i'm running koha on arch linux :P
21:14 jcamins Also, if those three functions work, we know how to troubleshoot basically everything else.
21:14 Manderson Don't give me ++'s yet...I need to get it tested out...
21:14 jcamins oleonard: well, isn't it?
21:14 cjh Manderson++
21:14 cjh awesome, koha on red hat!
21:14 oleonard "window dressing?!"
21:14 jcamins Manderson++
21:13 Manderson 3.08.06
21:13 jcamins Manderson: but, back to your original question, if you're able to search for books and check them in and out, everything else is just window dressing.
21:13 drojf what version of koha are you running?
21:13 rangi ooh that would be excellent!
21:13 jcamins Or at least a how-to guide?
21:13 jcamins Manderson: good... wanna make an rpm of Koha now? :)
21:12 Manderson Jeez...really? This didn't seem like that difficult of a task :P
21:12 rangi i learnt about this last night http://www.sofastatistics.com/home.php
21:12 jcamins I guess I've been hanging around #koha for three years now.
21:11 jcamins You're the first person to report Koha working on Red Hat in...
21:11 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7920380/Piwik-among-winners-at-open-source-awards
21:11 drojf and upload it to the wiki :D
21:11 rangi you wouldnt want to have to do it all again :)
21:11 rangi ahh take a snapshot and save it :)
21:11 jcamins Good. Take a snapshot.
21:11 Manderson It's on a VM
21:11 jcamins And print out the shell history.
21:11 jcamins Manderson: before you do anything, TAKE A COMPLETE BACKUP OF THAT SYSTEM!!!!!
21:10 Manderson So I've got Koha running on Redhat...is there a good way to stress test it?
21:00 rangi they were all just little things i did to learn stuff, none of them are particularly useful
20:58 oleonard I just lost a fight with datatables.js, I don't think I'm up for it :(
20:58 rangi if you tell me how, ill fix it :)
20:58 rangi its using jplot
20:57 * oleonard wants those horizontal grid lines to line up with the Y axis labels
20:57 rangi cos it changed stat lots
20:57 rangi 5579 is a good one to look at
20:56 mtj heh, thats awesome
20:56 rangi put in any bug number and click draw graph
20:56 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/its_a_bugs_life.html
20:55 rangi this one feeds this
20:55 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/patch_status.pl
20:55 rangi the progress one is just a nice what changed each day
20:55 chris_n whew!
20:54 oleonard Much better.
20:54 chris arghh!
20:54 oleonard chris you lost your n ?
20:54 rangi naw the dashboard does that query itself
20:54 jcamins Where are the signoffs coming from then?
20:53 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl
20:53 jcamins It's not?
20:53 rangi well not anymore, but it could :)
20:53 rangi yep
20:53 jcamins Ah, that's what feeds dashboard.k-c.org.
20:53 mtj ^^ i've been using chris' script to graph bug stats for each branch -> http://munin.kohaaloha.com/kohaaloha.com/xen3.kohaaloha.com/koha_bz_head.html
20:52 rangi the dashboard is some json, of the last 10 signoffs
20:52 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl
20:52 chris there's nothing like a power outage in the midst of a package install to screw things up
20:51 mtj http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_counts.pl
20:51 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/dashboard.pl
20:50 jcamins (I gather there are a bunch)
20:50 jcamins What do they do?
20:49 rangi i should commit all those scripts to my repo sometime
20:49 rangi no worries
20:49 mtj rangi++, thanx for sorting bugzilla's bug_counts.pl script
20:46 mtj heya fcharb
20:45 francharb :)
20:45 francharb morning mtj
20:44 mtj morning #koha, and congrats team-usa
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20:33 * rangi remembers to rsvp for the pizza thursday talk in time
20:33 francharb :)
20:32 jcamins Thankfully not the one next to my server.
20:32 jcamins francharb: several of the electrical substations exploded, I think.
20:32 * chris 's cat demands that you sit there and let it rub you
20:32 francharb It's hard to figure out how manhattan is without power...
20:31 jcamins Oh yes. Mine is a Russian cat. He's been staring out the window at the snow purring ecstaticly.
20:30 jcamins Yeah, though I think he said there were still some buildings without steam in his neighborhood.
20:29 jcamins Doubly good because they have well water.
20:29 rangi hmm did thd have power back ? he did didnt he?
20:29 rangi yay!!
20:29 francharb \0/
20:28 jcamins Good news, though- my parents got power back this morning before the snow started.
20:28 francharb :)
20:26 rangi jcamins: exactly
20:25 jcamins francharb: it'd be one less thing to worry about. If I didn't get an e-mail, I'd know I had to plan an extra trip to the library.
20:25 chris_n at least until we have a module which bills the kid's fines to the kid's mutual fund or some such :-)
20:24 francharb jcamins, really? I always thougt a little bit confusing the trust/control thing...
20:24 rangi hehe
20:24 rangi yikes jcamins
20:24 * jcamins would be one of the parents doing that, now that it's been suggested.
20:22 francharb ;)
20:22 francharb he wasn't the only one apparently
20:22 francharb my father used to say "trust does not exclude control"
20:22 jcamins And 79k people in NY are without power.
20:20 jcamins rangi: I think steam is still out in parts of Manhattan.
20:20 rangi no power and heating and snow would be crap
20:20 rangi i hope ppl have power back and stuff
20:20 chris_n very smart
20:20 rangi ohhh
20:20 jcamins A lot.
20:19 jcamins It's snowing outside.
20:19 jcamins rangi: smart!
20:18 rangi they get an email if the kid did :)
20:18 rangi that way, when they tell the kid, 'return that book on your way to school'
20:18 francharb :)
20:18 rangi quite a few parents at hlt have set up check-in emails for their childrens accounts
20:17 francharb rangi, that's right!
20:17 rangi the trick is making them know they can
20:17 * chris_n restores his dev repo
20:17 chris_n ahh... its alive
20:17 rangi patrons do love the enhanced messaging though
20:16 francharb thank you!
20:15 rangi :)
20:15 rangi but i don't have any libraries using the circulation alerts .. at least not afaik
20:15 francharb :)
20:15 rangi i suspect there is no relation and if that code works, you would just get both happening in parallel
20:15 francharb yep!
20:15 rangi this one eh? /cgi-bin/koha/admin/item_circulation_alerts.pl ?
20:12 rangi hmm ive never actually used the item circulation alerts stuff, just the messaging stuff
20:11 francharb rangi, I have the same question for the connection between the notice setting a patron can do with the enhancedmessagingpreferences on, and the item circulation alerts page, any chance you would know anything about it? ;)
20:11 francharb rangi, that's what I think too (maxreserves syspref works that way. it's the default value if there are no smart rules for the holds...)
20:09 jcamins [off] Exactly. It seemed useful, but I see my role as RM as having a fiduciary responsibility to the Koha community, and this is not in the best interest of the Koha community.
20:09 rangi francharb: my guess is the smartrules one is designed to replace the syspref, but im not sure
20:08 rangi [off] misread the market i think, i dont think approach is going to work at all well
20:07 oleonard [off] I think it's a potentially useful site for our patrons but the hard sell really puts me off
20:06 rangi francharb: hmm not sure sorry
20:06 jcamins [off] I'm really regretting being nice when they asked if I could help.
20:06 bag [off] oleonard I've gotten a few too
20:05 jcamins [off] Even though I wrote it, I don't think that's going to be getting in at this rate.
20:05 francharb anyone knows how the HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref is related to the return policy that can be defined within the smart rules page?
20:04 rangi [off] wow ... spam in email and phone ... i can't see that getting them far
20:04 chris_n tnx rangi && jcamins
20:03 oleonard [off] They really want us to add their ratings to our Koha
20:03 oleonard [off] Just got a "sales" call from idreambooks
19:53 rangi ill reply to elaine
19:53 rangi yeah
19:53 bag rangi no… I only have the responses
19:52 chris_n we get suggestions from our patrons, but I don't recall receiving them via email
19:51 chris_n rangi: I don't think so
19:51 bag let me check rangi
19:51 francharb 0/ jcamins
19:51 jcamins Hi francharb.
19:51 rangi hmm yeah that bit does, but when someone makes one on the opac it doesnt email the library eh?
19:51 francharb hi chris_n
19:51 chris_n hi francharb
19:51 francharb ?
19:51 francharb how is it going
19:50 * chris_n has no idea
19:50 francharb hi oleonard
19:50 bag is that what you are talking about
19:50 oleonard Hi francharb
19:50 bag I've gotten emails that say purchase suggestion accepted
19:50 jcamins It didn't ring any bells with me.
19:50 francharb hi all
19:50 jcamins No idea.
19:50 rangi or has purchase suggestions never sent email?
19:49 rangi hmm so did i miss something
19:49 chris_n that hopefully makes upgrading as pain-free as possible
19:49 rangi it works great for that
19:49 rangi yep
19:49 chris_n keeping them at the top and eliminating local commits asap are my two primary concerns
19:49 chris_n very nice
19:48 rangi http://blog.thebehrens.net/2011/02/25/rebase-onto-considered-useful/
19:48 * chris_n looks
19:47 jcamins I'll have to do that for 3.8.x when I switch.
19:46 rangi --onto is key
19:46 rangi each rebase that list gets shorter
19:46 jcamins When I did just "git rebase kc/3.6.x," I ended up with a horrible mess by the second time.
19:45 rangi and to try to get rid of
19:45 rangi easy to see
19:45 rangi all the local changes, all at the top
19:45 wahanui interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:45 jcamins Interesting.
19:45 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/hauraki-packaging
19:45 jcamins This is a good idea.
19:45 jcamins Ooh. Hot cocoa.
19:44 rangi but the real advantage is it ends up like this
19:44 rangi with -i
19:44 rangi you can also take the opportunity to squash some
19:44 rangi then they dont conflict again
19:44 rangi if you fix the commits
19:43 rangi the -i
19:43 jcamins That's why I switched to merge.
19:43 rangi yep
19:43 jcamins rangi: does that help you avoid fixing the same merge conflicts every time?
19:43 rangi 3.6.5 then my changes
19:43 chris_n whew
19:42 rangi git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.06.05
19:42 rangi actually
19:42 rangi git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.08.05
19:42 jcamins I was doing rebase at first, but ran into problems.
19:42 rangi lemme show you
19:42 rangi yes
19:42 jcamins Really?
19:42 rangi heres how i do a branch that is 3.6.x based but with some customisations
19:41 rangi but rebase
19:41 rangi and if it is a local branch, i wouldnt do merges
19:41 rangi but they are easier to handle
19:41 rangi yep
19:41 jcamins Well, there can still be conflicts.
19:40 chris_n opps, friends
19:40 * chris_n is thinking this eliminates the horrors of merge conflicts and fiends
19:39 rangi but yeah building packages is pretty simple once you ahve your environment up
19:39 rangi (for staging servers)
19:39 jcamins Naturally.
19:39 jcamins In which case I do it more often.
19:39 jcamins Well, unless there's something important.
19:38 * jcamins does it monthly.
19:38 chris_n most development can wait, but some is being screamed for :)
19:38 rangi we do that daily
19:38 jcamins That's how I do it.
19:38 rangi yep
19:38 chris_n that's sort of what I was thinking
19:38 jcamins Then build packages, test, and install in production.
19:38 jcamins chris_n: local branch that tracks upstream.
19:38 rangi or if it had an INSTALL file
19:37 * chris_n is looking for the best way to handle local development which needs to be applied in production without waiting for it to be pushed in a release
19:37 jcamins Only 2569 files left to download before the TeXLive installation can start.
19:37 rangi transifex would be interesting to me, if i saw it running on someones server
19:36 * magnuse wanders off to catch a plane
19:36 chris_n cool
19:36 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
19:35 magnuse chris_n: have you seen debian/build-git-snapshot or something like that?
19:34 chris_n so do we have a script which allows me to build a package from my git repo?
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19:29 rangi thanks
19:25 magnuse and done, even
19:25 magnuse doe
19:22 magnuse i'll add the links now
19:21 rangi im not sure anyone has put up the minutes yet, ill try to do that today
19:20 magnuse ah, i have not seen the log or even the minutes yet...
19:20 oleonard At the meeting yesterday magnuse
19:20 magnuse yay
19:20 jcamins magnuse: yes.
19:19 magnuse did someone propose a bug squashing weekend?
19:14 rangi yep
19:14 oleonard We have to halve that just to get it to where we were at the last GBSD
19:14 rangi yep
19:14 oleonard Ouch. 120.
19:14 oleonard http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl
19:13 oleonard Thanks rangi
19:13 rangi fixed the bug_status.pl
19:11 magnuse hiya bag
19:10 bag heya rangi and magnuse
19:09 magnuse kia ora rangi!
19:07 rangi and morning all
19:07 rangi magnuse even
19:03 rangi hi magnus
19:03 * magnuse drops a pin and is deafened by the sound
18:19 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
18:19 magnuse @later tell cait: the sushi wasn't any good anywat ;-)
18:13 * magnuse waves from OSL
18:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers
18:06 khall hey all, does anyone here want to enable sms alerts without paying for an sms gateway? If so, this is the patch for you: bug 9021
17:05 ras0ir ok i'll ask on the koha-translate list
17:04 jcamins (note: I am not the one who makes decisions about the translation system, I just don't foresee it happening)
17:02 jcamins I don't see any prospect of changing the translation system during 3.12, but if you wanted to ask on the koha-translate list you certainly could. There may be other reasons we're using Pootle too.
17:01 ras0ir absolutely
17:01 jcamins That would make a good platform for a Translation Manager.
16:58 jcamins If someone wanted to propose switching to transifex for 3.14, they could certainly do so.
16:58 jcamins oleonard: https://github.com/transifex/transifex
16:57 oleonard Where do you see that ras0ir?
16:57 ras0ir transifex is open source as well
16:57 oleonard ...but is not itself open source.
16:56 ras0ir transifex is free for open source projects
16:56 jcamins And how could we be confident it wouldn't just disappear?
16:56 jcamins Also, where would the money come from to pay for something like that?
16:56 oleonard Transifex is a paid service.
16:55 jcamins I suspect there probably weren't many other options in 2002.
16:55 jcamins Possibly other reasons, too. I don't know.
16:54 ras0ir but there are better alternatives such as transifex
16:54 jcamins ras0ir: it enables many people to work on translations simultaneously.
16:54 ras0ir anyone knows why koha use pootle for translation?
16:46 jcamins oleonard: I'm not sure. I meant to ask rangi but forgot.
16:45 oleonard Is this the wrong URL or did something break? http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl
16:44 oleonard I'm guessing that's what it is.
16:39 nengard might be worth checking on
16:39 nengard maybe it's just that those titles were deleted ?. i didn't think about that
16:38 oleonard Okay.
16:38 nengard :(
16:38 nengard i don't know ? kinda doing catch up here and didn't test thoroughly, just wnated to jot it down before I forgot - i can troubleshoot more in 2 weeks :( I'm away the rest of this week and all but one day next week
16:34 oleonard Does it affect the outcome if they are rejected or pending as opposed to approved?
16:33 nengard and so not visible to everyone
16:33 nengard not sure how to do that since the tags in question are rejected or pending
16:32 nengard nope
16:30 oleonard Have you confirmed that the tag links work in the OPAC?
16:28 nengard http://screencast.com/t/1WmMR0RaAp
16:27 nengard it's not consistent
16:27 nengard video coming
16:27 oleonard I suspect it just needs a "url" filter on the template tag but I can't test if I can't reproduce.
16:26 oleonard Works for me in master in Firefox, Chrome, IE9
16:26 nengard getting more info
16:26 wahanui hmmm... firefox is koha's preferred browser
16:26 nengard firefox ?
16:26 oleonard Chrome on Mac?
16:25 nengard yes
16:25 oleonard Where are you when you click the tag? /tags/review.pl?
16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9022 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , clicking two word tags says 'no tags'
16:24 oleonard I'm trying to reproduce Bug 9022
16:24 nengard yes
16:24 oleonard nengard around?
16:19 reiveune bye
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16:10 * jcamins will add a user in his owncloud. One moment.
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16:10 chris_n not at present
16:10 jcamins Hm. Do you use Dropbox?
16:10 chris_n its 500MB, how do you want it sent along?
16:09 jcamins I can sanitize it.
16:09 chris_n if you are interested; I'll need you to sanitize it or dispose of it when done
16:08 chris_n jcamins: I have a db from 3.0002012
16:05 * chris_n digs in his basket of archives for a moment to see if there is an ancient 3.x backup there
16:01 jcamins Oh well. Testing upgrades would've been a good idea.
16:00 jcamins Right, loading the SQL files doesn't work.
15:57 jcamins oleonard: if I were looking for stuff to do, I'd figure this out myself. :P
15:55 oleonard Oh no I submitted a patch. Should've saved it for Friday!
15:54 oleonard jcamins must be looking for stuff to do now that he can't comment on political blogs all day long
15:50 jcamins I guess I could actually create a database by running all the .sql files I can find.
15:48 jcamins Unfortunately Apache seems not to like the httpd.conf that Koha is generating.
15:46 jcamins If anyone feels like installing old versions of Koha with all the sample data and then taking a dump of the database and sending it to me, I will use those databases to write a test for updating Koha.
15:45 jcamins I'm bored.
15:45 jcamins Right...
15:38 oleonard cait++ # it was a date due in the past
15:37 jcamins I could always get bored.
15:37 jcamins Or I get bored.
15:36 jcamins And then just keep going up until it works or I identify an actual problem.
15:35 jcamins I'll try 3.0.6.
15:34 * oleonard has no idea, blames the senility
15:34 jcamins I guess there's an error in the httpd.conf that it generated.
15:34 jcamins Nor directly...
15:34 oleonard Eh, sonny?
15:34 * oleonard squints through his inch-thick glasses and holds the horn up to his ear
15:33 jcamins It seems it's not automatic?
15:33 jcamins Would someone who was around during the Koha 3.0 release cycle give me a little hint about how to access the web installer?
15:33 cait bye all :)
15:33 * cait packs up
15:32 gmcharlt druthb: howdy!
15:32 druthb hi, gmcharlt!
15:30 cait oleonard++ too - awesome idea a bug squashing weekend :)
15:30 cait oleonard: hm, maybe try a due date in the past? or do you mean something else?
15:30 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @oleonard: "Because one day of bug-squashing isn't enough: Koha Global Bug-Squashing Weekend: http://t.co/snXzWAba #kohails"
15:30 cait for always helping out newbies some of which some might be norwegian :)
15:29 cait rangi++
15:28 oleonard What do I have to do to get circulation to pop up that weird error dialog with the date field in it?
15:25 jcamins oleonard++
15:21 chris_n and so is probably subject to long, thoughtful musings over un-date-like strings passed in
15:20 chris_n it does not have a "what you passed in does not validate" sort of catch
15:19 chris_n oleonard: I suspected as much with the current dt_from_string code
15:17 chris_n jcamins: +1
15:15 cait this is puzzling.
15:15 cait hm
15:12 jcamins I wonder if rangi has a backup of the jenkins database from 3.2.
15:02 oleonard Based on my library's workflow I would say yes, turn it off. But that doesn't mean we're doing it the "right" way.
15:00 cait I am not sure about it really
15:00 jcamins We get an awful lot of questions from people who can't figure out how to edit authority-controlled fields.
15:00 jcamins Oh, what do people think about turning off BiblioAddsAuthorities by default?
14:58 cait some of it kinda mandatory :(
14:58 * cait just discovered lots ofmissing sample data in the german web installer
14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Due Date set to 100 years ago.
14:58 oleonard Anyway, I'm making the field read only for Bug 8972
14:58 cait meh.
14:58 libsysguy oleonard stop poking circulation…its a sad little function that only works under optimal conditions
14:56 oleonard Wow, want to make circulation.pl time out? Submit a barcode along with a long string of random numbers instead of a date under "specify due date"
14:45 cait from here it looks like magnuse is doing a great job and the location is very nice
14:44 cait but that's about it
14:44 cait I think I got thank you by now
14:44 oleonard How's your Norwegian shaping up cait?
14:43 druthb hi, cait. :)
14:43 cait hi druthb :)
14:33 druthb o/
13:26 drojf hi oleonard
13:16 oleonard Hi #koha
12:35 drojf well, we will find out sooner or later
12:34 drojf i see
12:34 drojf ah
12:34 jcamins The XSLT files do not use the frameworks.
12:34 drojf how does that work?
12:34 jcamins It's a workaround.
12:34 jcamins drojf: it didn't.
12:33 drojf jcamins: but how would changing the xslt repair that?
12:32 jcamins drojf: no, I'm pretty sure the answer to my question was "it stopped working after I erased a bunch of fields in the framework editor."
12:32 drojf the answer to jcamins' question was "it stopped working after i changed my xslt file" btw. could have been quite easy
12:28 drojf my pleasure, you're welcome
12:25 koyauni fixed now, XSLTDetailsDisplay set to default and works now
12:12 koyauni MARC21
12:12 koyauni yes in Interpret and store MARC records in the which reads MRC21
12:12 jcamins It sounds like what has happened is that you changed your MARC framework and broke it.
12:11 jcamins It is a system preference.
12:11 koyauni what is marcflavour setting please
12:10 koyauni and only in admin the title is not shown!
12:10 koyauni since I updated the record via z39 now http://library.koyauniversity.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=634
12:10 drojf xslt something
12:09 koyauni well this seams to happen only at admin side
12:09 cait (I hope not)
12:09 cait did you change the marcflavour setting?
12:07 koyauni I see tag 245 has information but doe snot show
12:07 jcamins In that case I can't help you, sorry.
12:07 koyauni :)
12:07 koyauni I do not know what
12:07 jcamins If it just magically stopped working, the only thing you can do is wait for it to magically start working again.
12:07 koyauni so let me import fo this book and see what happens
12:06 jcamins Something must have changed.
12:06 jcamins What did you change?
12:06 jcamins Yes, I know.
12:06 koyauni I tried with many book and all comes with no title
12:06 jcamins You said that.
12:06 koyauni but now the data in Z39 does not shows the title
12:05 jcamins Okay, but what changed?
12:03 koyauni now the info is completed so I use Z39 to search and find the record and then import the data,
12:03 koyauni http://library.koyauniversity.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=634
12:03 koyauni look at this
12:02 jcamins What did you change?
12:02 koyauni this is new, it did not use to be link this
12:02 koyauni British Libray and LOC
12:01 jcamins I have not.
12:01 koyauni has anyone came cross something like this
12:01 jcamins What source are you using?
12:01 koyauni hi guys, when I search Z39.5 to update an existing record, it will find the record, but the TITLE is empty, and when imported, the record is updated, and when listed there is no title, I have tried with many records, and the results is the same.
11:54 drojf it's wise to allow cannabis so people don't complain ;)
11:54 jcamins drojf: I expect it will be a long time. After all, it's usually the US doing the invading.
11:52 drojf after all i read about the us presidential election i wonder when some world police-y country will invade the usa to bring democracy
11:52 jcamins He's insulted.
11:52 jcamins Myshkin didn't realize how few cats had Koha catalogs.
11:48 jcamins I didn't realize that the National Library of Venezuela had updated.
11:47 jcamins I learned interesting things from your presentation. :)
11:47 jcamins cait: yes.
11:46 cait jcamins: you still around?
11:46 cait now was lunch :) yum!
11:46 cait hands on training will be later I think
11:21 drojf StarseekR: is it information about koha or do you also get hands-on training today?
11:17 StarseekR yep. have heard a lot about it, but never gotting around to looking into it on my own :D
11:16 jcamins My cat Myshkin extends his greetings as well.
11:16 drojf is it your first contact with koha?
11:15 StarseekR interesting:)
11:15 drojf StarseekR: how is the workshop so far?
11:15 * StarseekR waves back
11:15 * drojf waves to all lured in norwegians :)
11:12 * jcamins waves to the 20 Norwegian librarians.
11:05 StarseekR some of us got lured in, and are still here *waves*
11:04 clrh cait: we are here, don't worry ;)
10:58 drojf :(
10:58 * drojf missed the norwegians
10:57 lds cait: hello
10:56 cait quite quiet in here :)
10:56 cait lds: no biblibre today?
10:28 magnuse anyone want to wave to 20 norwegian librarians learning about koha?
10:28 huginn cait: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009)
10:27 magnuse hiya #koha
10:27 cait @quote random
10:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Harestua, Harestua, Norway is -4.1°C (11:25 AM CET on November 07, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
10:27 cait @wunder Oslo, Norway
10:27 * cait waves :)
10:24 cait mveron++
08:55 cait magnuse will talk enough norwegian for the two of us :)
08:55 cait um... no,
08:53 drojf will you be speaking in norwegian? :P
08:52 drojf \o/
08:47 cait the first Norwegian Koha day is about to start soon :)
08:46 cait hi drojf
08:43 drojf hi cait
08:40 * cait waves
08:05 wahanui que tal, gaetan_B
08:05 gaetan_B hello
07:59 lds hello
07:31 reiveune hello
07:11 alex_a_ bonjour
06:57 cait doing well, growing and drooling
06:57 cait hello Oak
06:55 Oak hwo is marcus?
06:55 Oak guten morgen cait
06:09 mtj is it common to do a dist-upgrade on a koha-common package, anyone?
06:09 mtj eythian, about?
04:00 Oak missed the meeting :(
03:59 Oak kia ora #koha
03:50 rangi hmm dont have one handy sorry
03:49 eythian can someone who has a tarball install handy tell me what directory the 'history.txt' file ends up in?
03:32 rangi :)
03:30 * thd hunts some food by plentiful electric light with the knowledge of how very easy it is now.
03:27 thd jcamins: Good night.
03:27 eythian http://youtu.be/dX_1B0w7Hzc
03:27 * jcamins heads to bed.
03:26 jcamins If the world is going to end, I'd like it to end with the prospect of pomegranate fudge in the afterlife.
03:26 jcamins And sweetened condensed milk, sugar, and matches.
03:26 * thd would read a book if there was any light.
03:25 * jcamins would buy chocolate.
03:25 thd jcamins: If you thought that you had only one last look at the world some people would buy pictures other people would buy chocolate.
03:25 jcamins Wouldn't you buy chocolate?
03:24 jcamins Why would you buy pictures to hang on your wall if the world was about to end?
03:24 thd jcamins: This young woman was odly buying pictures to hang on her wall as if the world was about to end.
03:22 jcamins As far as I know they still haven't been able to go back to Hoboken.
03:21 thd jcamins: I met someone last night from Hoboken who said that the national guard had removed her.
03:21 jcamins They've been staying with other family.
03:21 jcamins thd: yeah, my cousins.
03:20 thd jcamins: Do you know anyone who lives in Hoboken, New Jersey?
03:20 rangi cya oleonard
03:20 oleonard See you in 10 hours #koha
03:19 thd However, if you build your house on the sand, then you should expect what you get. you
03:19 jcamins (on LBI, not in Barnegat Light)
03:19 jcamins I guess a lot of residents have been trying to prevent the government from rebuilding the natural dunes, or something like that.
03:18 thd wizzyrea: Count on us foolish humans to much up any natural protection.
03:18 jcamins One of only three beaches on LBI that wasn't substantially washed away, apparently.
03:17 jcamins The family of my best friend growing up has a house in Barnegat Light.
03:17 wizzyrea that the man made seawalls were eroding the beach that actually protects the land
03:17 wizzyrea i read an article the other day, talking about the jersey shor
03:16 thd I think it was 1938 that Long Island was washed over by tide and waves with a direct hurricane hit.
03:16 jcamins You try ruling 99% with one ring!
03:16 wizzyrea loooool
03:16 wizzyrea lol.
03:16 jcamins oleonard: well, he had only one ring to rule them all.
03:16 oleonard That Sauron, all he cared about was the 1%.
03:15 rangi CNN calls the Shire with Baggins getting 54%, but is projecting an easy win in Mordor for Sauron. Isengard is still up for grabs.
03:15 thd jcamins: The New York Times reported last year about the only hurricane recorded to every hit very near New York City.
03:14 thd jcamins, wizzyrea: Exactly, the combination of storm convection, and high tidal forces.
03:13 jcamins I was told it was the hurricane + high tide.
03:13 thd Irene, last year, had much more rain.
03:13 wizzyrea well and from what I read - it wasn't the fact that sandy was a hurricane, it was that it was a hurricane colliding with a nor'easter
03:12 thd Sandy produced very little rain in the US.
03:12 thd jcamins: However, the convection forces which brought the water are related to wind.
03:11 jcamins thd: the damage wasn't from the wind... it was from the water.
03:11 thd The minimum sustained wind speed for a hurricane is double what Sandy had when it landed.
03:10 jcamins The building is still standing, but he's moved into the city for the foreseeable future.
03:10 thd People in the US northeast have no idea what an actual proper hurricane would be like.
03:10 jcamins In the last building in Long Beach.
03:10 jcamins One of my clients lives out there.
03:10 jcamins Southern Long Island is a mess.
03:09 thd The New Jersey shore was where Sandy landed, however, despite the damage, Sandy was merely a cyclone by the time it landed in New Jersey.
03:09 eythian been meaning to buy a cheap one of those for those situations
03:08 thd Do not ever discard your land line with the telephone services independent power source.
03:08 wizzyrea *nod* that's what I've been hearing. I also heard that the jersey shore was obliterated
03:06 thd Services have been restored much faster than I had been expecting, although, going to Brooklyn or Staten Island is still a major problem.
03:04 wizzyrea yea, I hear transit is a nightmare
03:04 thd wizzyrea: Walking was many times faster than taking the bus in the giant traffic jam resulting from insufficient subway service.
03:04 rangi thd++
03:03 wizzyrea thd++
03:03 bag thd++
03:03 thd wizzyrea: I walked 90 blocks last Wednesday collecting food for a couple of people who were not mobile enough to procure their own.
03:02 wizzyrea oy!
03:01 jcamins Okay, I have marked all "Needs signoff" bugs that will be held for 3.12 as such.
03:01 thd wizzyrea: I was able to find some vegetables locally by torchlight which were sold out at supermarkets.
03:00 cjh hahahh awesome
03:00 thd wizzyrea: There is a modest corner market a couple of blocks from me which never closes for any cause whatever which was open by torchlight selling out their basement.
02:59 jcamins We're far enough out that we had power, so the stores were mostly open, they just didn't have anything left.
02:58 thd wizzyrea: It was very, very cold in a building with no insulation, no cooking facilities, and no hot water.
02:57 thd jcamins: Apparently provisions were often better in the blackout zone if you could find some place open by torchlight.
02:56 wizzyrea thd what has it been like for you?
02:56 wizzyrea i'm glad you got supplies before the storm hit
02:56 jcamins lol
02:56 oleonard rangi: He gets the stoner vote with Ron Paul out of the running.
02:55 jcamins And potatoes.
02:55 jcamins It took four stores to find milk and cream.
02:55 rangi ahh libertarian
02:55 jcamins thd: thankfully the first day I had to was Saturday.
02:55 clintD rangi: good luck tonight, enjoy
02:55 rangi who is gary johnson?
02:55 mtj oleonard, well… some of you before then
02:54 thd jcamins: Did you try shopping for food last week?
02:54 davidnind rangi++
02:54 cjh rangi++
02:54 mtj thanks for chairing chris
02:54 oleonard And not again until then mtj? ;)
02:54 BobB Thanks rangi
02:54 Irma rangi ++
02:54 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-11-07-02.00.log.html
02:54 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-11-07-02.00.txt
02:54 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-11-07-02.00.html
02:54 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 7 02:53:43 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
02:54 rangi #endmeeting
02:53 rangi decememememeber
02:53 rangi December too
02:53 mtj ok, see y'all next 5 dec
02:53 rangi #agreed Next meeting is Decmber 5 18:00 UTC
02:53 Irma Great voting! If only US elections were this simple ;-)
02:53 rangi heh
02:53 wizzyrea we can hope ;)
02:52 mtj obama wins!
02:52 kathryn +1
02:52 jwagner +1
02:52 nancyk +1
02:52 davidnind +1
02:52 Irma +1
02:52 rangi +1
02:52 thd +1
02:52 JDatTeTakere +1
02:52 oleonard +1
02:52 cjh +1
02:52 mtj +1
02:52 jcamins +1
02:52 rangi lets vote
02:52 cjh sounds good.
02:52 rangi sounds good
02:52 BobB that's the first Wednesday in Dec
02:52 davidnind 5 December - first Wednesday of the MOnth?
02:52 mtj 5 dec
02:52 wahanui 0.416666666666667
02:52 Irma 5/12?
02:51 BobB 5 Dec?
02:51 thd early in the month please
02:51 rangi so who has a date in mind?
02:51 thd I like the pace :)
02:51 wizzyrea +1
02:51 rangi the next time is 18:00 UTC
02:50 rangi (i warned you about letting me chair, i have an awards thingy to go to later)
02:50 rangi #topic date for next meeting
02:50 thd I am well informed about RDA and paid for some expensive classes.
02:50 * rangi moves on
02:50 rangi and ripe for putting on a wiki page :)
02:50 rangi yep, those are all opinions
02:50 eythian the wiki page makes a few starting points
02:49 wizzyrea I feel like I need to know what exactly needs to be done? "RDA support" is pretty nebulous for me
02:49 thd We should be trying to push it so that people can at least have full RDA records from copy cataloguing when those start becoming widely available.
02:49 jcamins Yeah, wiki and/or list, then when there's an action, discuss it in a general meeting.
02:49 rangi not really a general topic i dont think
02:49 oleonard speaking of which, we need to get the license upgrade conversation started again too
02:49 rangi then organise a meeting of ppl interested in it
02:49 Irma So that we can briefly discuss progress and necessary actions?
02:49 wizzyrea ^^
02:49 rangi yeah
02:48 BobB Prolly need to get more momentum first, via the wiki.
02:48 oleonard I'm not sure that would be productive before a list/wiki discussion has started
02:48 Irma Should we enter it as an agenda item for the next meetings though?
02:47 jcamins Yeah, I'd say the wiki is the place for that discussion.
02:47 thd The MARC framewarks are years out of date. Funding disappeared for that work.
02:47 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/RDA
02:47 rangi and/or wiki?
02:47 rangi but yeah, can we move that one to the list?
02:46 rangi first they need to decide which rda :)
02:46 BobB ..that's a big one!
02:46 rangi heh, thats more of a wiki page i think
02:46 Irma RDA and getting Koha ready for it ...
02:46 rangi ok
02:45 jcamins Not from me.
02:45 rangi ok, anything else before we move on to the date for the next meeting?
02:44 rangi #agreed Global bug squashing weekend starting november 9th
02:44 BobB +1
02:44 stefan-l +1 on friday
02:43 libsysguy +1
02:43 thd +1 all weekend although I am otherwise committed
02:43 cjh +1
02:43 mtj +1
02:43 davidnind +1
02:42 Irma +1
02:42 oleonard +1
02:42 rangi +1
02:42 jcamins +1
02:42 mtj 'Shock and Awe!'
02:42 jcamins So, let's vote?
02:42 wizzyrea O.o
02:41 mtj koha bitzkrieg
02:41 BobB cool
02:41 jcamins BobB: exactly. :)
02:41 rangi thats the one BobB
02:41 jcamins This will make it easier for people to prioritize for the bug squashers.
02:41 BobB What about starting on Friday and letting it run until Monday? Is that the suggestion?
02:41 rangi not me
02:41 oleonard Anyone object to GBSW?
02:41 rangi pass it
02:41 rangi dont kick the ball
02:41 cjh a bug squash weekend sounds cool.
02:40 rangi scrum storm sprint
02:40 mtj i love the bugs squash weekend idea
02:40 jcamins #action jcamins will mark candidates for 3.10 that are in "Needs signoff" assuming he has power this week.
02:40 thd storm :)
02:40 cjh heh
02:40 jcamins We'll call it a sprint, or a storm, or whatever's cool in project management.
02:39 jcamins Right, so we also have 5 days notice for Monday.
02:39 cjh I feel 2 days is a bit short notice, hopefully we can get enough people
02:39 jcamins Not real person weekend. :P
02:39 oleonard I see
02:39 jcamins *College* weekend.
02:39 jcamins oleonard: right, that's why it's Friday-Monday.
02:39 * oleonard can bug-squash at work but too many obligations at home
02:38 rangi yup
02:38 jcamins Now is a good time to really focus on testing.
02:38 rangi true
02:38 jcamins We're approaching 3.10.
02:38 jcamins What about GBSW? - Global Bug Squashing Weekend
02:38 stefan-l +1 9th nov
02:38 thd +1 12 Nov.
02:37 rangi cait will be make on friday
02:37 oleonard Will magnus and cait still be conferencing Friday? Monday?
02:37 Irma +1 9th nov
02:37 Irma + 9th nov
02:36 mtj +1 9th nov
02:36 mtj im trying to work out how to use a 'Template:Globsquad' template to make a new GSBD page
02:36 oleonard I can to the wiki and the emails if we can settle on a date
02:35 rangi so someone else will need to step up
02:35 rangi and they usually do it
02:35 rangi and so is cait
02:35 rangi and magnuse is conferencing
02:35 rangi well i think the secret with it, like pretty much everything in koha, is someone needs to organise/do it
02:35 Irma Friday 9th Nov or Mon 12th Nov ok for CALYX
02:34 wizzyrea ^.^
02:34 rangi make it monday and ill make it your job to test patches *grin*
02:34 rangi nope
02:34 wizzyrea hrm think it'll actually get any traction? does it have to be a friday?
02:33 rangi any one want to volunteer to do that ?
02:33 rangi and send out emails
02:33 rangi if people want it to happen then, they just need to make a wiki page
02:32 rangi #idea bug squashing day on the 9th of november
02:32 jcamins And by "probably" I mean "I am absolutely certain."
02:32 rangi yeah
02:32 jcamins I'm fine with the 16th, but keep in mind that I _am_ a stickler, and we have two people pushing code to get it into 3.10.x, so some patches would probably get deferred for 3.10.1
02:32 mtj yeah, so 16th not so good
02:32 rangi adn we dont want a pile of patches the week before 3.10.0
02:31 rangi 15th is string freeze for 3.8.x
02:31 rangi i think the 9th is good
02:31 mtj or 16th nov, the friday after that?
02:31 oleonard I'd love to see people try to lead testing on patches they have written which have languished in the needs-signoff queue for a long time.
02:31 jcamins Which would be... 9 November
02:30 rangi in nz
02:30 Irma Stefan is in Sydney until 3/12 so before then would be good
02:30 rangi which is tomorrow
02:30 rangi *nod*
02:30 jcamins It's usually the second Friday.
02:30 rangi itd be good to do one before 3.10.0
02:30 rangi of course, we could just pick a date ;)
02:30 wizzyrea he's sleeping :)
02:29 rangi id suggest an email to the koha-devel list
02:29 rangi ah, magnus usually organises that
02:29 Irma snap
02:29 Irma http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day Next date?
02:29 BobB it was about Global Bug Squashing Day, is there a date?
02:28 rangi Irma: you had a question? :)
02:28 BobB spelt right, too
02:28 rangi #topic Miscellaneous
02:28 rangi moving on
02:28 jcamins I don't see any.
02:27 rangi i don tthink we had any actions?
02:27 rangi #topic actions from the last meeting
02:27 davidnind 70 F = 21 degrees C
02:26 nancyk no
02:26 rangi does anyone else have anything else about kohacon13 ?
02:26 rhcl ?
02:26 rhcl thd: nor'easter coming, right
02:26 wizzyrea yes! thd made it through sandy!
02:26 rangi good to see you safe and sound thd
02:26 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme , New York City, survived the blackout and heatout
02:26 oleonard Swank.
02:26 wizzyrea sounds pretty perfect ;)
02:26 rangi #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13-2/
02:25 * wizzyrea giggles
02:25 nancyk 70s and sometimes 80s sunny
02:25 rangi and
02:25 libsysguy I do have to keep up my beauty :p
02:25 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary
02:25 libsysguy nancyk++
02:25 wizzyrea well you are our "hottest developer" so there's that.
02:25 oleonard What's the weather like in October?
02:25 wizzyrea lol.
02:25 rangi nancyk++
02:25 jcamins Could you put a link to the KohaCon13 website and wiki pages in the minutes?
02:25 libsysguy nancyk I require a beautyrest in my hotel :p
02:25 nancyk Excited!!!!
02:24 nancyk We will get info on the web site and wiki as soon as we know which hotel
02:24 Irma nancyk ++
02:24 rangi #info kohacon13 dates are looking like mid october
02:24 rangi cool
02:24 nancyk rats bad spelling
02:23 nancyk looks like mid odtober
02:23 rangi oh cool
02:23 nancyk almost finished touring hotels, have it narrowed down to 3
02:23 rangi nancyk: did you have any information about kohacon13 ?
02:23 rangi but spelt right ;)
02:23 Irma ok
02:23 rangi Irma: can you ask that again when we get to miscallaneous please
02:23 cjh heh
02:22 wizzyrea jcamins++ i like roadmaps
02:22 rangi #topic kohacon13
02:22 oleonard jcamins++
02:22 Irma Is there a date for the next Global Bug Squashing Day?
02:22 rangi jcamins++
02:22 jcamins That's it.
02:22 jcamins #info The RM will prepare a "roadmap" for 3.12 after 3.10.0 is released, but since the focus is on "stability," don't expect a detailed plan for exactly what we're going to be working on at any given point.
02:21 * rangi pauses
02:21 jcamins Oh, one more thing.
02:21 rangi thanks jcamins
02:21 jcamins I think that's pretty much it from me.
02:21 jcamins #info During the 3.12 release cycle, the RM will assign the QAM as QA contact to bugs where he is concerned about a conflict of interest, and the QAM can delegate as appropriate.
02:21 BobB :)
02:20 libsysguy cait will rule with an iron fist
02:19 jcamins During the 3.12 cycle I'll be leaning on cait a lot to deal with delegation.
02:19 rangi i think cait will be great at managing those things
02:19 jcamins Yes. That's a good point.
02:19 rangi yeah, now the team is big too, its easy to stop that
02:18 eythian And it broke things for other people.
02:18 eythian I've seen a patch by company X that was signed off by someone associated with X, and then the QA signoff was also from X.
02:18 wizzyrea I like your style.
02:18 eythian a general reinforcement of the rules would be good
02:18 jcamins Other than that, I expect a nice tight six-month release cycle, and I'll be preparing monthly "previews."
02:17 cjh jcamins++ # for bringing it up
02:17 wizzyrea oy
02:17 wizzyrea !!
02:17 cjh eek
02:17 jcamins The bug report that I'm referring to was set to "Passed QA" by the author several times.
02:17 rangi that should be ok
02:17 rangi i think we have a big team now
02:17 libsysguy same
02:17 wizzyrea that*
02:17 wizzyrea yea, I tend to agree with hat
02:17 jcamins cjh: I'm leaning towards "yes."
02:17 cjh although if a patch is 'passed qa' and then goes 'in discussion' it would require a qa team member to put it back to 'passed qa', is this desired?
02:16 jcamins Let's see, what else?
02:16 wizzyrea tahiti_holiday++
02:16 jcamins #action Find out if we can set Bugzilla permissions so that only the QA team can mark things "Passed QA"
02:16 wizzyrea wewt
02:16 rangi #info only qa team should mark patches passed qa, unless there are some crazy circumstances like security and everyone is on holiday in tahiti or something
02:16 libsysguy yeah can we fix that kind of thing with perms
02:16 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm not sure. But if it can, that might be good.
02:16 wizzyrea bugzilla can do some crazy awesome things.
02:16 wizzyrea with permissions
02:16 wizzyrea I think bugzilla can manage that sort of thing or no?
02:15 jcamins Yes, good idea.
02:15 rangi shall i do an info point only qa team can mark things passed-qa ?
02:15 jcamins I will, in fact, be requesting additional signoffs from members of the QA team whenever they QA patches.
02:15 jcamins The change in release manager does not mean a relaxation of QA standards.
02:14 jcamins That is not, and never has been acceptable.
02:14 wizzyrea ew yea not acceptable.
02:14 rangi down with that kind of thing
02:14 jcamins Attached to that bug were no fewer than *three* patches that had not been tested by anyone.
02:14 jcamins One of the bugs that was marked "Passed QA" was marked that BY ITS AUTHOR, without ANY member of the QA team approving it.
02:13 jcamins This brings up an important point.
02:13 jcamins However, as non-3.10 patches pass QA I am applying them to an integration branch on my local machine.
02:13 rangi cool
02:13 jcamins Right now I am only pushing 3.10-safe fixes to that branch.
02:12 jcamins The master branch will be 3.11 once 3.10.0 is released.
02:12 Irma hi all
02:12 Irma sorry I am late # Irma CALYX information essentials - Sydney
02:12 rangi you again jcamins
02:12 rangi heh
02:12 jcamins Oh, rangi beat me.
02:11 jcamins #action Test and sign off on the bugfixes that are already in Bugzilla, and test 3.10.x/master and fix any bugs you find.
02:11 rangi #topic 3.12
02:11 rangi #action everyone test bug fixes
02:11 rangi oh yes
02:11 jcamins TEST BUGFIXES!!!!
02:11 jcamins Oh, one more thing.
02:10 rangi anyone have anything else for 3.10?
02:10 jcamins I will address 3.12 when we get there.
02:10 jcamins As far as I know, 3.10.0 is on-schedule
02:10 rangi sounds good to me
02:10 kathryn oops I forgot about tweetbot sorry for the interruption, my jokes always backfire...
02:10 jcamins ("probably" because there is always the possibility -- however slight -- of an error)
02:09 jcamins *3.10.0
02:09 jcamins Any code that either of us is uncomfortable with will probably not go into master until after 3.10.x is released.
02:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @nzkoha: "@ranginui is chairing the #kohails IRC meeting like a boss"
02:09 jcamins Paul is cherry-picking bugfixes that do not include string changes.
02:09 rangi excellent
02:08 jcamins Now that 3.10.x has been branched and I am pushing to master we have an additional set of eyes looking over code before it gets into 3.10.x.
02:08 rangi #link http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-11-12-2012-10/
02:08 jcamins paul_p isn't here, so I'll give what information I have.
02:08 rangi we have no paul, but i think reading the newsletter is a good idea
02:07 rangi #topic update on 3.10
02:07 rangi ie signed off, passed qa, and pushed, then ill cherry pick them to 3.8.x
02:07 libsysguy fair enough
02:07 libsysguy hehe
02:07 rangi if they are pushed to master then yes
02:06 libsysguy for use with the calendar
02:06 libsysguy is it going to include the hourly fixes?
02:06 cjh awesome
02:06 rangi 3.8 is coming along nicely, on schedule for 3.8.7 release on time
02:06 rangi #topic update on 3.8
02:06 wizzyrea ^^ what he said
02:06 libsysguy git-bz++
02:05 rangi git-bz++
02:05 wizzyrea to both
02:05 wizzyrea oooo
02:05 jcamins That's it from me.
02:05 mtj #info i've just eaten waaay too many samosas :/
02:05 jcamins #info We now have a repository for a version of git-bz customized for Koha at http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=git-bz.git;a=summary
02:05 rangi anything else before we move on?
02:05 rangi #action libsysguy to publish repo of his mechanized testing suite
02:04 libsysguy ill publish the repo soon
02:04 rangi cool
02:04 wizzyrea libsysguy++
02:04 libsysguy with WWW::Mech
02:04 libsysguy I've starting working on automated testing
02:04 wizzyrea \o/
02:04 rangi thats the only one i have
02:04 rangi wizzyrea starts work at catalyst on monday
02:03 rangi anyone have any announcements ?
02:03 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea
02:03 davidnind #infor David Nind, NZ
02:03 kathryn #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT NZ
02:03 rangi #topic Announcements
02:02 mtj #info Mason James, NZ
02:02 JDatTeTakere 2Felt like being colourful :-)
02:02 rangi anyone else?
02:02 rangi in blue even
02:02 JDatTeTakere 2#info Joanne Dillon (JD), Te Takere
02:01 clintD #info Clint Deckard, Anact
02:01 libsysguy shoot
02:01 libsysguy aww I forgot to add that I am QAA 3.12
02:01 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
02:01 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, Release Manager for 3.12 and RMaint emeritus for 3.6.x
02:01 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:01 rhcl #info rhcl = Greg - Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
02:01 nancyk #info NancyK Reno
02:01 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT
02:01 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx information essentials
02:01 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, Rmaint 3.8.x and 3.10.x
02:01 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions
02:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
02:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
02:01 rangi #topic Introductions
02:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
02:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 7 02:00:25 2012 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
02:00 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
02:00 rangi #startmeeting
02:00 jcamins Go.
02:00 libsysguy same
02:00 jcamins You have one hour.
02:00 jcamins Sounds good to me.
02:00 rangi if no one volunteers you are gonna be stuck with me
02:00 William :)
02:00 William Allrighty then ...back to the election
01:59 libsysguy :p
01:59 libsysguy you're too early William
01:59 rangi havent started yet William :)
01:59 William #info William
01:59 rangi any volunteers for chair?
01:58 cjh agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_November_2012
01:58 libsysguy can't have that
01:58 rangi oh yeah whoops
01:58 oleonard rangi: Doesn't that have the unwanted effect of making it easier to vote?
01:58 rangi :)
01:58 libsysguy that makes more sense….but its also nice to get off owrk :p
01:58 rangi thats one little efficiency thats easy to make
01:58 rangi its always on a saturday here
01:57 libsysguy :p
01:57 libsysguy thats why the calendar re-write isn't done
01:57 libsysguy I'm an optimization nut
01:57 libsysguy oh well I guess I better get the heck out of here
01:57 rangi heh
01:57 oleonard We're talking about how awesome and efficient American elections are libsysguy
01:57 wahanui hmmm... agenda is a wiki
01:57 libsysguy agenda?
01:56 libsysguy BOOM!
01:56 libsysguy sweet
01:56 rangi 4 mins early in fact
01:56 rangi you are in time
01:56 libsysguy did I miss the meeting or am i in time
01:56 * libsysguy is watching CNN
01:56 jcamins If you believe it.
01:56 jcamins I would told that Google's map is better than Politico's.
01:55 rangi i guess its more fun for me, cos i dont live there
01:55 rangi lol oleonard
01:54 rhcl AP (should be fairly unbiased) is at: https://www.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&topic=el&ict=ln&ar=1352253079
01:54 oleonard I would rather go to the dentist than watch election coverage.
01:53 rangi if ppl have better sites, id love to know
01:53 rangi http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/ <-- is what im looking at
01:52 rangi good luck with that
01:52 rangi with our atheist prime minister and universal healthcare
01:52 rangi if obama wins im moving to nz
01:52 jcamins After all, if bipartisan committees can contain members from only one party, 1 == 2
01:51 rangi on twitter today
01:51 rangi good work oleonard
01:51 oleonard When did Republicans start threatening to move to NZ?
01:51 * rangi checks athens county
01:51 rangi ohh
01:51 jcamins Now it's anyone's call.
01:51 rangi heh
01:51 jcamins rangi: well, that's what we thought until the northern Virginia mega-state seceded.
01:51 mtj "unifex: If Obama wins *and* Republicans move to #NZ I'm moving to America."
01:50 rhcl um, really gotta wait for Florida too
01:50 rangi so, it pretty much all boils down to ohio right?
01:49 rangi Obama wins East Anglia, race in Ohiyoming too close to call.
01:49 rangi one of my friends is making up bogus election results
01:48 rhcl by my count apple is only winning about 50% of their various world-wide patent battles
01:48 rangi Romney has commanding leads in both Alabaska and Nebrada, but Obama ahead in New Hampicut
01:48 rangi lol my tweetstream is awesome
01:48 rangi apple picks a fight and loses, doenst happen often so im happy when it does :)
01:47 cjh oh wow
01:47 rangi http://mashable.com/2012/11/02/apple-iphone-mexico/
01:46 rangi just because of
01:46 rangi mexico is my current favourite country
01:46 oleonard Maybe not if they got Governor Rick Perry with it.
01:46 rangi would they take it back?
01:46 cjh hahaha
01:46 rangi heh
01:46 oleonard I would also entertain returning Texas to Mexico.
01:45 oleonard rangi: That'd be the best way to get Puerto Rico statehood, since we wouldn't have to change the flag!
01:44 rangi rambutan: ahh thanks
01:44 jcamins lol
01:44 rambutan rangi: yes, if you are in line when the polls close you get to vote
01:44 rangi :)
01:44 rangi you're welcome
01:44 rangi there, i just cut out one of your states, reducing bureaucracy and wasteful spending
01:44 jcamins Only lower and superior court judges are elected. Supreme court judges are appointed.
01:44 rangi maybe north virginia can join maryland and the rest join west virginia
01:43 jcamins BobB: elected judges wouldn't get to decide that.
01:43 oleonard Seems wrong, but then again how is appointing them any better?
01:43 BobB I don't get that, electing judges.
01:42 BobB ... with the current judges or the newly elected ones?
01:42 BobB there might be a court case about that
01:42 rangi who knew
01:42 jcamins Apparently.
01:41 rangi if you are in a line, before they close .. are you allowed to still vote?
01:41 jcamins Yes.
01:41 jcamins rangi: yes, and the northern Virginia mega-state apparently seceded from Virginia, since northern Virginia is going Democrat, and Virginia is going Republican.
01:41 rangi didnt the polls close there like 1 hour and 40 mins ago?
01:40 rangi CBS just reported -- they've stopped reporting results in Virgina bc so many people still in line to vote
01:40 rangi apparently ppl are still in line in virginia
01:39 oleonard If that race got heated it would make for some fun campaign ads. Sadly this race wasn't even contested.
01:37 jcamins oleonard: to make sure the person inspecting your dead body is the right political party?
01:36 oleonard Why do we even elect a coroner?
01:35 oleonard President, state senator, 2 congressional elections, count commissioner, judges, 3 ballot issues, sheriff, and coroner.
01:35 davidnind Hi Mason
01:34 jcamins oleonard: we had the choice between Candidate A, Candidate A, and Candidate A for the Democratic, Republican, and Other parties for the local elections.
01:34 rangi hm yeah, thats right you get to vote on a ton of things
01:33 davidnind Just making sure I can get IRC to work at work
01:33 oleonard But I have to say, it's awesome to get to sit down at the computer with my ballot and look up the things I don't know about (usually state supreme court races)
01:32 * oleonard voted early, so I didn't even get to feel like I got anything done today
01:31 rangi go vote some more or something
01:31 rangi you guys are early
01:26 mtj heya david
01:10 mtj oops...
01:10 mtj # dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/koha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb
01:00 BobB Ah, ok. We'll be doing it in 3.8 initially, but good to know that is coming.
00:59 jcamins BobB: if you're planning a migration that will be onto 3.10, you can also use stage marc import.
00:54 BobB jcamins Thank you.
00:52 mtj ooh sweet, i think i just found one -> /var/cache/apt/archives/koha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb
00:47 wahanui yeah, that is, like, cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha
00:47 eythian yeah, that
00:47 eythian is it currently running from that deb? If so, perhaps its...
00:47 mtj i might look for it in the package cache dir, of a local box
00:47 mtj we're currently testing a 3.6.4 -> 3.8.6 upgrade, so i need that deb to prep up a test box
00:46 mtj hmm, i didnt know that
00:46 eythian but yeah, old ones aren't kept
00:45 eythian mtj: you can get 3.6.10
00:45 eythian no wahanui, 3.6.4 is not the current stable version
00:45 wahanui jcamins: I forgot 3.6.4
00:45 jcamins wahanui: forget 3.6.4
00:45 jcamins We don't keep packages that old.
00:45 wahanui 3.6.4 is the current stable version
00:45 eythian mtj: 3.6.4?
00:44 mtj http://debian.koha-community.org/ somewhere?
00:44 mtj ive a .deb package Q… where can i grab a koha-3.6.4.deb file from ?
00:41 jcamins bulkmarcimport.pl -a
00:41 jcamins Yeah.
00:35 BobB I think we use bulkmarcimport.pl with an option?
00:34 BobB what do we use to import authorities these days? Is bulkauthimport.pl deprecated?
00:34 BobB Hi all,
00:04 rangi sleep well
00:04 rangi no problem
00:03 lds rangi: i go to bed. Good day ;-) and thank you again for your help