Time  Nick         Message
23:53 mtj          s/installed/created/ :)
23:51 mtj          s/system/db/
23:51 mtj          yeah, i can see that - you cant upgrade a system that was never installed to start with
23:50 mtj          cool, thats is indeed whats just happened here (just wanted to confim) :)
23:50 jcamins      Note that this means that if you created an instance and never ran the web installer you'll get a screen full of warnings.
23:50 mtj          gotcha :)
23:50 jcamins      It's run automatically.
23:50 jcamins      No.
23:50 mtj          or, does the upgradedatabase.pl get triggered , when the superuser logs into the staff client next?
23:49 jcamins      Yes.
23:49 mtj          after a 'apt-get upgrade koha-common' is run successfully - does the upgradedatabase.pl script get run too, automatically?
23:48 jcamins      Yes?
23:48 mtj          ive got a koha package upgrade Q...
23:47 gaetan_B     bye
23:10 jcamins      Considering it started snowing about 3 hours ago, that promises downed wires if it really snows for the next 13 hours.
23:07 jcamins      There is a car stuck outside, it sounds like.
23:07 rangi        thats not good
23:07 jcamins      So it sounds like this snowstorm really is pretty serious.
23:06 jcamins      Wow.
22:52 rangi        sweet
22:52 jcamins      I did.
22:50 rangi        did you want to answer?
22:47 rangi        *nod*
22:47 jcamins      Yeah, logic told me that if you do that any data you try to connect to the anonymous user will go spectacularly missing.
22:47 rangi        it will go badly
22:47 jcamins      That's what I thought.
22:47 rangi        thats the kohaadmin user
22:47 rangi        jcamins: no
22:45 cjh          oleonard++
22:45 cjh          heh "kick koha's tires and see if you can break something!"
22:43 jcamins      Can you use patron 0 as an anonymous patron?
22:36 rangi        Righto my stop bbiab
22:33 rangi        I think it would be one of their more profitable wednesdays
22:30 eythian      rangi: ah right, I didn't go in, but I did see that it didn't appear to last long
22:30 bag          nice
22:30 eythian      bag: they brewed a batch of it here for yesterday
22:29 rangi        Cos hashigo zake was too full
22:29 bag          I have a friend that was working on the obama campaign and got some of the obama collection white house ale last night
22:28 eythian      ah right
22:28 rangi        We ended up at the Malthouse
22:28 rangi        I didn't
22:28 eythian      rangi: did you get the white house beer last night?
22:25 rangi        Hehe
22:24 bag          I had arrogant bastard ale lastnight - cause all them in the elections are like that ALE
22:23 rangi        Which was ok
22:23 rangi        I also tried Bling ipa
22:23 bag          not the true nectar!
22:22 rangi        I tried it last night it is good
22:22 bag          heh
22:22 bag          I was thinking - tumblr like a webpage
22:22 bag          it's good
22:22 bag          oh what I have!!!
22:22 bag          no I have not
22:21 rangi        Bag: have you tried Sierra nevada tumbler?
22:19 * rangi      waves from the bus
22:16 jcamins      Interesting: http://cartographer.visualmotive.com/
22:01 francharb    see ya
22:01 francharb    time to sleep
22:01 eythian      yeah the 'daemon' tool wraps even self-backgrounding things in handy ways to make them easier to manage
21:45 Manderson    Thanks
21:45 Manderson    Gotcha
21:44 jcamins      I'm not sure, though.
21:44 jcamins      Manderson: I think the reason we don't use it is that it is hard to stop the daemon.
21:44 Manderson    starts up and throws itself into the background
21:44 Manderson    jcamins: Zebra itself has a daemon option... -D
21:42 jcamins      Selfcheck machines, ebook systems, etc.
21:42 Manderson    jcamins: thanks, I'll take a look
21:41 ras0ir       what's sip used for? rfid?
21:41 jcamins      ras0ir: koha-zebra-ctl is the key one.
21:41 jcamins      set-selinux-labels.sh
21:40 jcamins      Manderson: actually, looks like someone tested the script and it got in.
21:40 ras0ir       thanks
21:40 jcamins      ras0ir: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/bin;h=88f8c17deb154cdfe6f5a0407c8deca0780a8556;hb=HEAD
21:39 ras0ir       could someone paste init scripts for koha, i'd like to create systemd units
21:37 Manderson    Gotcha
21:37 Manderson    Ahh
21:36 jcamins      It requires the "daemon" program, which apparently isn't used in Red Hat and its derivatives.
21:36 jcamins      Manderson: it doesn't work under Red Hat.
21:35 Manderson    Is there a scrip that launches zebra in daemon mode?
21:23 jcamins      Unfortunately, I don't have a system with SELinux so I can't test it.
21:22 Manderson    No worries...at this point, I am not concerned about it being enforced, so I just disabled it for the time being.
21:22 jcamins      It needs someone to test it.
21:22 jcamins      I'd forgotten that was on Red Hat.
21:22 jcamins      Manderson: oh, darn. I should've told you there's a patch for the SELinux problems.
21:21 Manderson    Thanks mtj
21:21 Manderson    Oh...also...SELinux got in the way some.
21:21 mtj          Manderson, congrats on your tenacity :)
21:21 jcamins      lol
21:21 ras0ir       lol
21:21 cjh          heh
21:20 rangi        but not where i put my glasses 10 mins ago
21:20 rangi        i can remember stuff like that
21:20 rangi        sometime my memory scares me
21:20 rangi        http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2003-June/026137.html
21:20 cjh          that is an awesome script
21:20 rangi        someone did rpm for a bunch of them
21:20 rangi        back in the day
21:19 Manderson    yessir
21:19 rangi        its very handy eh
21:19 Manderson    rangi: thank god for that perl script
21:19 cjh          awesome
21:19 rangi        in a git checkout
21:19 rangi        ./koha_perl_deps.pl -a
21:18 rangi        cjh: you can go
21:18 jcamins      Hm... I think this snow could be called "driving."
21:18 Manderson    rangi: to get many of them working, I had to download the header files, which requires enabling the "optional" yum repo to get them
21:18 rangi        yep
21:18 cjh          is there a list of all the koha deps?
21:18 rangi        it just needs someone to want to enough to do it :)
21:18 rangi        they are all .deb packaged, theres no reason there couldnt be .rpm of them all too
21:17 rangi        Manderson: yep, thats where most ppl give up
21:17 * oleonard   waves goodbye for the evening
21:17 rangi        ahh right
21:17 Manderson    Had to CPAN most of them and resolve dependencies manually
21:17 cjh          rangi: no I didnt package it, it was yhager.
21:17 Manderson    Perl packages were a bitch
21:17 Manderson    RH Enterprise Linux Server 6
21:17 ras0ir       jcamins: i think it's because of lack of perl packages and zebra stuff
21:17 Manderson    Pretty much
21:16 jcamins      What version of Red Hat?
21:16 jcamins      *?
21:16 jcamins      Manderson: and it just worked? Just like that.
21:16 rangi        i think more have trouble with centos/fedora than redhat itself
21:16 Manderson    All I did to get it running on Redhat was to compile Yaz and Zebra from source, link all their binaries and libraries into /usr/bin and /usr/lib respectively.
21:16 rangi        cjh: did you package that?
21:16 jcamins      I think several people have gone insane trying to install Koha under Red Hat.
21:15 ras0ir       cjh: yes
21:15 cjh          ras0ir: did you use the package on the aur?
21:15 jcamins      ras0ir: a couple of people have been successful with that. Red Hat is particularly unfriendly.
21:15 oleonard     Okay, I guess in the context of getting it running on a new distro
21:15 ras0ir       i'm running koha on arch linux :P
21:14 jcamins      Also, if those three functions work, we know how to troubleshoot basically everything else.
21:14 Manderson    Don't give me ++'s yet...I need to get it tested out...
21:14 jcamins      oleonard: well, isn't it?
21:14 cjh          Manderson++
21:14 cjh          awesome, koha on red hat!
21:14 oleonard     "window dressing?!"
21:14 jcamins      Manderson++
21:13 Manderson    3.08.06
21:13 jcamins      Manderson: but, back to your original question, if you're able to search for books and check them in and out, everything else is just window dressing.
21:13 drojf        what version of koha are you running?
21:13 rangi        ooh that would be excellent!
21:13 jcamins      Or at least a how-to guide?
21:13 jcamins      Manderson: good... wanna make an rpm of Koha now? :)
21:12 Manderson    Jeez...really? This didn't seem like that difficult of a task :P
21:12 rangi        i learnt about this last night http://www.sofastatistics.com/home.php
21:12 jcamins      I guess I've been hanging around #koha for three years now.
21:11 jcamins      You're the first person to report Koha working on Red Hat in...
21:11 rangi        http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7920380/Piwik-among-winners-at-open-source-awards
21:11 drojf        and upload it to the wiki :D
21:11 rangi        you wouldnt want to have to do it all again :)
21:11 rangi        ahh take a snapshot and save it :)
21:11 jcamins      Good. Take a snapshot.
21:11 Manderson    It's on a VM
21:11 jcamins      And print out the shell history.
21:11 jcamins      Manderson: before you do anything, TAKE A COMPLETE BACKUP OF THAT SYSTEM!!!!!
21:10 Manderson    So I've got Koha running on Redhat...is there a good way to stress test it?
21:00 rangi        they were all just little things i did to learn stuff, none of them are particularly useful
20:58 oleonard     I just lost a fight with datatables.js, I don't think I'm up for it :(
20:58 rangi        if you tell me how, ill fix it :)
20:58 rangi        its using jplot
20:57 * oleonard   wants those horizontal grid lines to line up with the Y axis labels
20:57 rangi        cos it changed stat lots
20:57 rangi        5579 is a good one to look at
20:56 mtj          heh, thats awesome
20:56 rangi        put in any bug number and click draw graph
20:56 rangi        http://stats.workbuffer.org/its_a_bugs_life.html
20:55 rangi        this one feeds this
20:55 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/patch_status.pl
20:55 rangi        the progress one is just a nice what changed each day
20:55 chris_n      whew!
20:54 oleonard     Much better.
20:54 chris        arghh!
20:54 oleonard     chris you lost your n ?
20:54 rangi        naw the dashboard does that query itself
20:54 jcamins      Where are the signoffs coming from then?
20:53 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl
20:53 jcamins      It's not?
20:53 rangi        well not anymore, but it could :)
20:53 rangi        yep
20:53 jcamins      Ah, that's what feeds dashboard.k-c.org.
20:53 mtj          ^^ i've been using chris' script to graph bug stats for each branch -> http://munin.kohaaloha.com/kohaaloha.com/xen3.kohaaloha.com/koha_bz_head.html
20:52 rangi        the dashboard is some json, of the last 10 signoffs
20:52 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl
20:52 chris        there's nothing like a power outage in the midst of a package install to screw things up
20:51 mtj          http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_counts.pl
20:51 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/dashboard.pl
20:50 jcamins      (I gather there are a bunch)
20:50 jcamins      What do they do?
20:49 rangi        i should commit all those scripts to my repo sometime
20:49 rangi        no worries
20:49 mtj          rangi++, thanx for sorting bugzilla's bug_counts.pl script
20:46 mtj          heya fcharb
20:45 francharb    :)
20:45 francharb    morning mtj
20:44 mtj          morning #koha, and congrats team-usa
20:36 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Managing Tags in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/ly6MzPWn"
20:33 * rangi      remembers to rsvp for the pizza thursday talk in time
20:33 francharb    :)
20:32 jcamins      Thankfully not the one next to my server.
20:32 jcamins      francharb: several of the electrical substations exploded, I think.
20:32 * chris      's cat demands that you sit there and let it rub you
20:32 francharb    It's hard to figure out how manhattan is without power...
20:31 jcamins      Oh yes. Mine is a Russian cat. He's been staring out the window at the snow purring ecstaticly.
20:30 jcamins      Yeah, though I think he said there were still some buildings without steam in his neighborhood.
20:29 jcamins      Doubly good because they have well water.
20:29 rangi        hmm did thd have power back ? he did didnt he?
20:29 rangi        yay!!
20:29 francharb    \0/
20:28 jcamins      Good news, though- my parents got power back this morning before the snow started.
20:28 francharb    :)
20:26 rangi        jcamins: exactly
20:25 jcamins      francharb: it'd be one less thing to worry about. If I didn't get an e-mail, I'd know I had to plan an extra trip to the library.
20:25 chris_n      at least until we have a module which bills the kid's fines to the kid's mutual fund or some such :-)
20:24 francharb    jcamins, really? I always thougt a little bit confusing the trust/control thing...
20:24 rangi        hehe
20:24 rangi        yikes jcamins
20:24 * jcamins    would be one of the parents doing that, now that it's been suggested.
20:22 francharb    ;)
20:22 francharb    he wasn't the only one apparently
20:22 francharb    my father used to say "trust does not exclude control"
20:22 jcamins      And 79k people in NY are without power.
20:20 jcamins      rangi: I think steam is still out in parts of Manhattan.
20:20 rangi        no power and heating and snow would be crap
20:20 rangi        i hope ppl have power back and stuff
20:20 chris_n      very smart
20:20 rangi        ohhh
20:20 jcamins      A lot.
20:19 jcamins      It's snowing outside.
20:19 jcamins      rangi: smart!
20:18 rangi        they get an email if the kid did :)
20:18 rangi        that way, when they tell the kid, 'return that book on your way to school'
20:18 francharb    :)
20:18 rangi        quite a few parents at hlt have set up check-in emails for their childrens accounts
20:17 francharb    rangi, that's right!
20:17 rangi        the trick is making them know they can
20:17 * chris_n    restores his dev repo
20:17 chris_n      ahh... its alive
20:17 rangi        patrons do love the enhanced messaging though
20:16 francharb    thank you!
20:15 rangi        :)
20:15 rangi        but i don't have any libraries using the circulation alerts .. at least not afaik
20:15 francharb    :)
20:15 rangi        i suspect there is no relation and if that code works, you would just get both happening in parallel
20:15 francharb    yep!
20:15 rangi        this one eh? /cgi-bin/koha/admin/item_circulation_alerts.pl ?
20:12 rangi        hmm ive never actually used the item circulation alerts stuff, just the messaging stuff
20:11 francharb    rangi, I have the same question for the connection between the notice setting a patron can do with the enhancedmessagingpreferences on, and the item circulation alerts page, any chance you would know anything about it? ;)
20:11 francharb    rangi, that's what I think too (maxreserves syspref works that way. it's the default value if there are no smart rules for the holds...)
20:09 jcamins      [off] Exactly. It seemed useful, but I see my role as RM as having a fiduciary responsibility to the Koha community, and this is not in the best interest of the Koha community.
20:09 rangi        francharb: my guess is the smartrules one is designed to replace the syspref, but im not sure
20:08 rangi        [off] misread the market i think, i dont think approach is going to work at all well
20:07 oleonard     [off] I think it's a potentially useful site for our patrons but the hard sell really puts me off
20:06 rangi        francharb: hmm not sure sorry
20:06 jcamins      [off] I'm really regretting being nice when they asked if I could help.
20:06 bag          [off] oleonard I've gotten a few too
20:05 jcamins      [off] Even though I wrote it, I don't think that's going to be getting in at this rate.
20:05 francharb    anyone knows how the HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref is related to the return policy that can be defined within the smart rules page?
20:04 rangi        [off] wow ... spam in email and phone ... i can't see that getting them far
20:04 chris_n      tnx rangi && jcamins
20:03 oleonard     [off] They really want us to add their ratings to our Koha
20:03 oleonard     [off] Just got a "sales" call from idreambooks
19:53 rangi        ill reply to elaine
19:53 rangi        yeah
19:53 bag          rangi no… I only have the responses
19:52 chris_n      we get suggestions from our patrons, but I don't recall receiving them via email
19:51 chris_n      rangi: I don't think so
19:51 bag          let me check rangi
19:51 francharb    0/ jcamins
19:51 jcamins      Hi francharb.
19:51 rangi        hmm yeah that bit does, but when someone makes one on the opac it doesnt email the library eh?
19:51 francharb    hi chris_n
19:51 chris_n      hi francharb
19:51 francharb    ?
19:51 francharb    how is it going
19:50 * chris_n    has no idea
19:50 francharb    hi oleonard
19:50 bag          is that what you are talking about
19:50 oleonard     Hi francharb
19:50 bag          I've gotten emails that say purchase suggestion accepted
19:50 jcamins      It didn't ring any bells with me.
19:50 francharb    hi all
19:50 jcamins      No idea.
19:50 rangi        or has purchase suggestions never sent email?
19:49 rangi        hmm so did i miss something
19:49 chris_n      that hopefully makes upgrading as pain-free as possible
19:49 rangi        it works great for that
19:49 rangi        yep
19:49 chris_n      keeping them at the top and eliminating local commits asap are my two primary concerns
19:49 chris_n      very nice
19:48 rangi        http://blog.thebehrens.net/2011/02/25/rebase-onto-considered-useful/
19:48 * chris_n    looks
19:47 jcamins      I'll have to do that for 3.8.x when I switch.
19:46 rangi        --onto is key
19:46 rangi        each rebase that list gets shorter
19:46 jcamins      When I did just "git rebase kc/3.6.x," I ended up with a horrible mess by the second time.
19:45 rangi        and to try to get rid of
19:45 rangi        easy to see
19:45 rangi        all the local changes, all at the top
19:45 wahanui      interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:45 jcamins      Interesting.
19:45 rangi        http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/hauraki-packaging
19:45 jcamins      This is a good idea.
19:45 jcamins      Ooh. Hot cocoa.
19:44 rangi        but the real advantage is it ends up like this
19:44 rangi        with -i
19:44 rangi        you can also take the opportunity to squash some
19:44 rangi        then they dont conflict again
19:44 rangi        if you fix the commits
19:43 rangi        the -i
19:43 jcamins      That's why I switched to merge.
19:43 rangi        yep
19:43 jcamins      rangi: does that help you avoid fixing the same merge conflicts every time?
19:43 rangi        3.6.5 then my changes
19:43 chris_n      whew
19:42 rangi        git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.06.05
19:42 rangi        actually
19:42 rangi        git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.08.05
19:42 jcamins      I was doing rebase at first, but ran into problems.
19:42 rangi        lemme show you
19:42 rangi        yes
19:42 jcamins      Really?
19:42 rangi        heres how i do a branch that is 3.6.x based but with some customisations
19:41 rangi        but rebase
19:41 rangi        and if it is a local branch, i wouldnt do merges
19:41 rangi        but they are easier to handle
19:41 rangi        yep
19:41 jcamins      Well, there can still be conflicts.
19:40 chris_n      opps, friends
19:40 * chris_n    is thinking this eliminates the horrors of merge conflicts and fiends
19:39 rangi        but yeah building packages is pretty simple once you ahve your environment up
19:39 rangi        (for staging servers)
19:39 jcamins      Naturally.
19:39 jcamins      In which case I do it more often.
19:39 jcamins      Well, unless there's something important.
19:38 * jcamins    does it monthly.
19:38 chris_n      most development can wait, but some is being screamed for :)
19:38 rangi        we do that daily
19:38 jcamins      That's how I do it.
19:38 rangi        yep
19:38 chris_n      that's sort of what I was thinking
19:38 jcamins      Then build packages, test, and install in production.
19:38 jcamins      chris_n: local branch that tracks upstream.
19:38 rangi        or if it had an INSTALL file
19:37 * chris_n    is looking for the best way to handle local development which needs to be applied in production without waiting for it to be pushed in a release
19:37 jcamins      Only 2569 files left to download before the TeXLive installation can start.
19:37 rangi        transifex would be interesting to me, if i saw it running on someones server
19:36 * magnuse    wanders off to catch a plane
19:36 chris_n      cool
19:36 magnuse      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way
19:35 magnuse      chris_n: have you seen debian/build-git-snapshot or something like that?
19:34 chris_n      so do we have a script which allows me to build a package from my git repo?
19:32 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Managing Tags in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/uQBTE921 #kohails"
19:29 rangi        thanks
19:25 magnuse      and done, even
19:25 magnuse      doe
19:22 magnuse      i'll add the links now
19:21 rangi        im not sure anyone has put up the minutes yet, ill try to do that today
19:20 magnuse      ah, i have not seen the log or even the minutes yet...
19:20 oleonard     At the meeting yesterday magnuse
19:20 magnuse      yay
19:20 jcamins      magnuse: yes.
19:19 magnuse      did someone propose a bug squashing weekend?
19:14 rangi        yep
19:14 oleonard     We have to halve that just to get it to where we were at the last GBSD
19:14 rangi        yep
19:14 oleonard     Ouch. 120.
19:14 oleonard     http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl
19:13 oleonard     Thanks rangi
19:13 rangi        fixed the bug_status.pl
19:11 magnuse      hiya bag
19:10 bag          heya rangi and magnuse
19:09 magnuse      kia ora rangi!
19:07 rangi        and morning all
19:07 rangi        magnuse even
19:03 rangi        hi magnus
19:03 * magnuse    drops a pin and is deafened by the sound
18:19 huginn       magnuse: The operation succeeded.
18:19 magnuse      @later tell cait: the sushi wasn't any good anywat ;-)
18:13 * magnuse    waves from OSL
18:06 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers
18:06 khall        hey all, does anyone here want to enable sms alerts without paying for an sms gateway? If so, this is the patch for you: bug 9021
17:05 ras0ir       ok i'll ask on the koha-translate list
17:04 jcamins      (note: I am not the one who makes decisions about the translation system, I just don't foresee it happening)
17:02 jcamins      I don't see any prospect of changing the translation system during 3.12, but if you wanted to ask on the koha-translate list you certainly could. There may be other reasons we're using Pootle too.
17:01 ras0ir       absolutely
17:01 jcamins      That would make a good platform for a Translation Manager.
16:58 jcamins      If someone wanted to propose switching to transifex for 3.14, they could certainly do so.
16:58 jcamins      oleonard: https://github.com/transifex/transifex
16:57 oleonard     Where do you see that ras0ir?
16:57 ras0ir       transifex is open source as well
16:57 oleonard     ...but is not itself open source.
16:56 ras0ir       transifex is free for open source projects
16:56 jcamins      And how could we be confident it wouldn't just disappear?
16:56 jcamins      Also, where would the money come from to pay for something like that?
16:56 oleonard     Transifex is a paid service.
16:55 jcamins      I suspect there probably weren't many other options in 2002.
16:55 jcamins      Possibly other reasons, too. I don't know.
16:54 ras0ir       but there are better alternatives such as transifex
16:54 jcamins      ras0ir: it enables many people to work on translations simultaneously.
16:54 ras0ir       anyone knows why koha use pootle for translation?
16:46 jcamins      oleonard: I'm not sure. I meant to ask rangi but forgot.
16:45 oleonard     Is this the wrong URL or did something break? http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl
16:44 oleonard     I'm guessing that's what it is.
16:39 nengard      might be worth checking on
16:39 nengard      maybe it's just that those titles were deleted ?. i didn't think about that
16:38 oleonard     Okay.
16:38 nengard      :(
16:38 nengard      i don't know ? kinda doing catch up here and didn't test thoroughly, just wnated to jot it down before I forgot - i can troubleshoot more in 2 weeks :( I'm away the rest of this week and all but one day next week
16:34 oleonard     Does it affect the outcome if they are rejected or pending as opposed to approved?
16:33 nengard      and so not visible to everyone
16:33 nengard      not sure how to do that since the tags in question are rejected or pending
16:32 nengard      nope
16:30 oleonard     Have you confirmed that the tag links work in the OPAC?
16:28 nengard      http://screencast.com/t/1WmMR0RaAp
16:27 nengard      it's not consistent
16:27 nengard      video coming
16:27 oleonard     I suspect it just needs a "url" filter on the template tag but I can't test if I can't reproduce.
16:26 oleonard     Works for me in master in Firefox, Chrome, IE9
16:26 nengard      getting more info
16:26 wahanui      hmmm... firefox is koha's preferred browser
16:26 nengard      firefox ?
16:26 oleonard     Chrome on Mac?
16:25 nengard      yes
16:25 oleonard     Where are you when you click the tag? /tags/review.pl?
16:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9022 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , clicking two word tags says 'no tags'
16:24 oleonard     I'm trying to reproduce Bug 9022
16:24 nengard      yes
16:24 oleonard     nengard around?
16:19 reiveune     bye
16:18 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Global Bug Squashing Weekend http://t.co/I92MXHZp #kohails"
16:10 * jcamins    will add a user in his owncloud. One moment.
16:10 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Global Bug Squashing Weekend http://t.co/5zQCeqJ5"
16:10 chris_n      not at present
16:10 jcamins      Hm. Do you use Dropbox?
16:10 chris_n      its 500MB, how do you want it sent along?
16:09 jcamins      I can sanitize it.
16:09 chris_n      if you are interested; I'll need you to sanitize it or dispose of it when done
16:08 chris_n      jcamins: I have a db from 3.0002012
16:05 * chris_n    digs in his basket of archives for a moment to see if there is an ancient 3.x backup there
16:01 jcamins      Oh well. Testing upgrades would've been a good idea.
16:00 jcamins      Right, loading the SQL files doesn't work.
15:57 jcamins      oleonard: if I were looking for stuff to do, I'd figure this out myself. :P
15:55 oleonard     Oh no I submitted a patch. Should've saved it for Friday!
15:54 oleonard     jcamins must be looking for stuff to do now that he can't comment on political blogs all day long
15:50 jcamins      I guess I could actually create a database by running all the .sql files I can find.
15:48 jcamins      Unfortunately Apache seems not to like the httpd.conf that Koha is generating.
15:46 jcamins      If anyone feels like installing old versions of Koha with all the sample data and then taking a dump of the database and sending it to me, I will use those databases to write a test for updating Koha.
15:45 jcamins      I'm bored.
15:45 jcamins      Right...
15:38 oleonard     cait++ # it was a date due in the past
15:37 jcamins      I could always get bored.
15:37 jcamins      Or I get bored.
15:36 jcamins      And then just keep going up until it works or I identify an actual problem.
15:35 jcamins      I'll try 3.0.6.
15:34 * oleonard   has no idea, blames the senility
15:34 jcamins      I guess there's an error in the httpd.conf that it generated.
15:34 jcamins      Nor directly...
15:34 oleonard     Eh, sonny?
15:34 * oleonard   squints through his inch-thick glasses and holds the horn up to his ear
15:33 jcamins      It seems it's not automatic?
15:33 jcamins      Would someone who was around during the Koha 3.0 release cycle give me a little hint about how to access the web installer?
15:33 cait         bye all :)
15:33 * cait       packs up
15:32 gmcharlt     druthb: howdy!
15:32 druthb       hi, gmcharlt!
15:30 cait         oleonard++ too - awesome idea a bug squashing weekend :)
15:30 cait         oleonard: hm, maybe try a due date in the past? or do you mean something else?
15:30 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @oleonard: "Because one day of bug-squashing isn't enough: Koha Global Bug-Squashing Weekend: http://t.co/snXzWAba #kohails"
15:30 cait         for always helping out newbies some of which some might be norwegian :)
15:29 cait         rangi++
15:28 oleonard     What do I have to do to get circulation to pop up that weird error dialog with the date field in it?
15:25 jcamins      oleonard++
15:21 chris_n      and so is probably subject to long, thoughtful musings over un-date-like strings passed in
15:20 chris_n      it does not have a "what you passed in does not validate" sort of catch
15:19 chris_n      oleonard: I suspected as much with the current dt_from_string code
15:17 chris_n      jcamins: +1
15:15 cait         this is puzzling.
15:15 cait         hm
15:12 jcamins      I wonder if rangi has a backup of the jenkins database from 3.2.
15:02 oleonard     Based on my library's workflow I would say yes, turn it off. But that doesn't mean we're doing it the "right" way.
15:00 cait         I am not sure about it really
15:00 jcamins      We get an awful lot of questions from people who can't figure out how to edit authority-controlled fields.
15:00 jcamins      Oh, what do people think about turning off BiblioAddsAuthorities by default?
14:58 cait         some of it kinda mandatory :(
14:58 * cait       just discovered lots ofmissing sample data in the german web installer
14:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Due Date set to 100 years ago.
14:58 oleonard     Anyway, I'm making the field read only for Bug 8972
14:58 cait         meh.
14:58 libsysguy    oleonard stop poking circulation…its a sad little function that only works under optimal conditions
14:56 oleonard     Wow, want to make circulation.pl time out? Submit a barcode along with a long string of random numbers instead of a date under "specify due date"
14:45 cait         from here it looks like magnuse is doing a great job and the location is very nice
14:44 cait         but that's about it
14:44 cait         I think I got thank you by now
14:44 oleonard     How's your Norwegian shaping up cait?
14:43 druthb       hi, cait. :)
14:43 cait         hi druthb :)
14:33 druthb       o/
13:26 drojf        hi oleonard
13:16 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:35 drojf        well, we will find out sooner or later
12:34 drojf        i see
12:34 drojf        ah
12:34 jcamins      The XSLT files do not use the frameworks.
12:34 drojf        how does that work?
12:34 jcamins      It's a workaround.
12:34 jcamins      drojf: it didn't.
12:33 drojf        jcamins: but how would changing the xslt repair that?
12:32 jcamins      drojf: no, I'm pretty sure the answer to my question was "it stopped working after I erased a bunch of fields in the framework editor."
12:32 drojf        the answer to jcamins' question was "it stopped working after i changed my xslt file" btw. could have been quite easy
12:28 drojf        my pleasure, you're welcome
12:25 koyauni      fixed now, XSLTDetailsDisplay set to default and works now
12:12 koyauni      MARC21
12:12 koyauni      yes in Interpret and store MARC records in the which reads MRC21
12:12 jcamins      It sounds like what has happened is that you changed your MARC framework and broke it.
12:11 jcamins      It is a system preference.
12:11 koyauni      what is marcflavour setting please
12:10 koyauni      and only in admin the title is not shown!
12:10 koyauni      since I updated the record via z39 now http://library.koyauniversity.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=634
12:10 drojf        xslt something
12:09 koyauni      well this seams to happen only at admin side
12:09 cait         (I hope not)
12:09 cait         did you change the marcflavour setting?
12:07 koyauni      I see tag 245 has information but doe snot show
12:07 jcamins      In that case I can't help you, sorry.
12:07 koyauni      :)
12:07 koyauni      I do not know what
12:07 jcamins      If it just magically stopped working, the only thing you can do is wait for it to magically start working again.
12:07 koyauni      so let me import fo this book and see what happens
12:06 jcamins      Something must have changed.
12:06 jcamins      What did you change?
12:06 jcamins      Yes, I know.
12:06 koyauni      I tried with many book and all comes with no title
12:06 jcamins      You said that.
12:06 koyauni      but now the data in Z39 does not shows the title
12:05 jcamins      Okay, but what changed?
12:03 koyauni      now the info is completed so I use Z39 to search and find the record and then import the data,
12:03 koyauni      http://library.koyauniversity.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=634
12:03 koyauni      look at this
12:02 jcamins      What did you change?
12:02 koyauni      this is new, it did not use to be link this
12:02 koyauni      British Libray and LOC
12:01 jcamins      I have not.
12:01 koyauni      has anyone came cross something like this
12:01 jcamins      What source are you using?
12:01 koyauni      hi guys, when I search Z39.5 to update an existing record, it will find the record, but the TITLE is empty, and when imported, the record is updated, and when listed there is no title, I have tried with many records, and the results is the same.
11:54 drojf        it's wise to allow cannabis so people don't complain ;)
11:54 jcamins      drojf: I expect it will be a long time. After all, it's usually the US doing the invading.
11:52 drojf        after all i read about the us presidential election i wonder when some world police-y country will invade the usa to bring democracy
11:52 jcamins      He's insulted.
11:52 jcamins      Myshkin didn't realize how few cats had Koha catalogs.
11:48 jcamins      I didn't realize that the National Library of Venezuela had updated.
11:47 jcamins      I learned interesting things from your presentation. :)
11:47 jcamins      cait: yes.
11:46 cait         jcamins: you still around?
11:46 cait         now was lunch :) yum!
11:46 cait         hands on training will be later I think
11:21 drojf        StarseekR: is it information about koha or do you also get hands-on training today?
11:17 StarseekR    yep. have heard a lot about it, but never gotting around to looking into it on my own :D
11:16 jcamins      My cat Myshkin extends his greetings as well.
11:16 drojf        is it your first contact with koha?
11:15 StarseekR    interesting:)
11:15 drojf        StarseekR: how is the workshop so far?
11:15 * StarseekR  waves back
11:15 * drojf      waves to all lured in norwegians :)
11:12 * jcamins    waves to the 20 Norwegian librarians.
11:05 StarseekR    some of us got lured in, and are still here *waves*
11:04 clrh         cait: we are here, don't worry ;)
10:58 drojf        :(
10:58 * drojf      missed the norwegians
10:57 lds          cait: hello
10:56 cait         quite quiet in here :)
10:56 cait         lds: no biblibre today?
10:28 magnuse      anyone want to wave to 20 norwegian librarians learning about koha?
10:28 huginn       cait: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009)
10:27 magnuse      hiya #koha
10:27 cait         @quote random
10:27 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Harestua, Harestua, Norway is -4.1°C (11:25 AM CET on November 07, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
10:27 cait         @wunder Oslo, Norway
10:27 * cait       waves :)
10:24 cait         mveron++
08:55 cait         magnuse will talk enough norwegian for the two of us :)
08:55 cait         um... no,
08:53 drojf        will you be speaking in norwegian? :P
08:52 drojf        \o/
08:47 cait         the first Norwegian Koha day is about to start soon :)
08:46 cait         hi drojf
08:43 drojf        hi cait
08:40 * cait       waves
08:05 wahanui      que tal, gaetan_B
08:05 gaetan_B     hello
07:59 lds          hello
07:31 reiveune     hello
07:11 alex_a_      bonjour
06:57 cait         doing well, growing and drooling
06:57 cait         hello Oak
06:55 Oak          hwo is marcus?
06:55 Oak          guten morgen cait
06:09 mtj          is it common to do a dist-upgrade on a koha-common package, anyone?
06:09 mtj          eythian, about?
04:00 Oak          missed the meeting :(
03:59 Oak          kia ora #koha
03:50 rangi        hmm dont have one handy sorry
03:49 eythian      can someone who has a tarball install handy tell me what directory the 'history.txt' file ends up in?
03:32 rangi        :)
03:30 * thd        hunts some food by plentiful electric light with the knowledge of how very easy it is now.
03:27 thd          jcamins: Good night.
03:27 eythian      http://youtu.be/dX_1B0w7Hzc
03:27 * jcamins    heads to bed.
03:26 jcamins      If the world is going to end, I'd like it to end with the prospect of pomegranate fudge in the afterlife.
03:26 jcamins      And sweetened condensed milk, sugar, and matches.
03:26 * thd        would read a book if there was any light.
03:25 * jcamins    would buy chocolate.
03:25 thd          jcamins: If you thought that you had only one last look at the world some people would buy pictures other people would buy chocolate.
03:25 jcamins      Wouldn't you buy chocolate?
03:24 jcamins      Why would you buy pictures to hang on your wall if the world was about to end?
03:24 thd          jcamins: This young woman was odly buying pictures to hang on her wall as if the world was about to end.
03:22 jcamins      As far as I know they still haven't been able to go back to Hoboken.
03:21 thd          jcamins: I met someone last night from Hoboken who said that the national guard had removed her.
03:21 jcamins      They've been staying with other family.
03:21 jcamins      thd: yeah, my cousins.
03:20 thd          jcamins: Do you know anyone who lives in Hoboken, New Jersey?
03:20 rangi        cya oleonard
03:20 oleonard     See you in 10 hours #koha
03:19 thd          However, if you build your house on the sand, then you should expect what you get. you
03:19 jcamins      (on LBI, not in Barnegat Light)
03:19 jcamins      I guess a lot of residents have been trying to prevent the government from rebuilding the natural dunes, or something like that.
03:18 thd          wizzyrea: Count on us foolish humans to much up any natural protection.
03:18 jcamins      One of only three beaches on LBI that wasn't substantially washed away, apparently.
03:17 jcamins      The family of my best friend growing up has a house in Barnegat Light.
03:17 wizzyrea     that the man made seawalls were eroding the beach that actually protects the land
03:17 wizzyrea     i read an article the other day, talking about the jersey shor
03:16 thd          I think it was 1938 that Long Island was washed over by tide and waves with a direct hurricane hit.
03:16 jcamins      You try ruling 99% with one ring!
03:16 wizzyrea     loooool
03:16 wizzyrea     lol.
03:16 jcamins      oleonard: well, he had only one ring to rule them all.
03:16 oleonard     That Sauron, all he cared about was the 1%.
03:15 rangi        CNN calls the Shire with Baggins getting 54%, but is projecting an easy win in Mordor for Sauron. Isengard is still up for grabs.
03:15 thd          jcamins: The New York Times reported last year about the only hurricane recorded to every hit very near New York City.
03:14 thd          jcamins, wizzyrea: Exactly, the combination of storm convection, and high tidal forces.
03:13 jcamins      I was told it was the hurricane + high tide.
03:13 thd          Irene, last year, had much more rain.
03:13 wizzyrea     well and from what I read - it wasn't the fact that sandy was a hurricane, it was that it was a hurricane colliding with a nor'easter
03:12 thd          Sandy produced very little rain in the US.
03:12 thd          jcamins: However, the convection forces which brought the water are related to wind.
03:11 jcamins      thd: the damage wasn't from the wind... it was from the water.
03:11 thd          The minimum sustained wind speed for a hurricane is double what Sandy had when it landed.
03:10 jcamins      The building is still standing, but he's moved into the city for the foreseeable future.
03:10 thd          People in the US northeast have no idea what an actual proper hurricane would be like.
03:10 jcamins      In the last building in Long Beach.
03:10 jcamins      One of my clients lives out there.
03:10 jcamins      Southern Long Island is a mess.
03:09 thd          The New Jersey shore was where Sandy landed, however, despite the damage, Sandy was merely a cyclone by the time it landed in New Jersey.
03:09 eythian      been meaning to buy a cheap one of those for those situations
03:08 thd          Do not ever discard your land line with the telephone services independent power source.
03:08 wizzyrea     *nod* that's what I've been hearing. I also heard that the jersey shore was obliterated
03:06 thd          Services have been restored much faster than I had been expecting, although, going to Brooklyn or Staten Island is still a major problem.
03:04 wizzyrea     yea, I hear transit is a nightmare
03:04 thd          wizzyrea: Walking was many times faster than taking the bus in the giant traffic jam resulting from insufficient subway service.
03:04 rangi        thd++
03:03 wizzyrea     thd++
03:03 bag          thd++
03:03 thd          wizzyrea: I walked 90 blocks last Wednesday collecting food for a couple of people who were not mobile enough to procure their own.
03:02 wizzyrea     oy!
03:01 jcamins      Okay, I have marked all "Needs signoff" bugs that will be held for 3.12 as such.
03:01 thd          wizzyrea: I was able to find some vegetables locally by torchlight which were sold out at supermarkets.
03:00 cjh          hahahh awesome
03:00 thd          wizzyrea: There is a modest corner market a couple of blocks from me which never closes for any cause whatever which was open by torchlight selling out their basement.
02:59 jcamins      We're far enough out that we had power, so the stores were mostly open, they just didn't have anything left.
02:58 thd          wizzyrea: It was very, very cold in a building with no insulation, no cooking facilities, and no hot water.
02:57 thd          jcamins: Apparently provisions were often better in the blackout zone if you could find some place open by torchlight.
02:56 wizzyrea     thd what has it been like for you?
02:56 wizzyrea     i'm glad you got supplies before the storm hit
02:56 jcamins      lol
02:56 oleonard     rangi: He gets the stoner vote with Ron Paul out of the running.
02:55 jcamins      And potatoes.
02:55 jcamins      It took four stores to find milk and cream.
02:55 rangi        ahh libertarian
02:55 jcamins      thd: thankfully the first day I had to was Saturday.
02:55 clintD       rangi: good luck tonight, enjoy
02:55 rangi        who is gary johnson?
02:55 mtj          oleonard, well… some of you before then
02:54 thd          jcamins: Did you try shopping for food last week?
02:54 davidnind    rangi++
02:54 cjh          rangi++
02:54 mtj          thanks for chairing chris
02:54 oleonard     And not again until then mtj? ;)
02:54 BobB         Thanks rangi
02:54 Irma         rangi ++
02:54 huginn       Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-11-07-02.00.log.html
02:54 huginn       Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-11-07-02.00.txt
02:54 huginn       Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-11-07-02.00.html
02:54 huginn       Meeting ended Wed Nov  7 02:53:43 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
02:54 rangi        #endmeeting
02:53 rangi        decememememeber
02:53 rangi        December too
02:53 mtj          ok, see y'all next 5 dec
02:53 rangi        #agreed Next meeting is Decmber 5 18:00 UTC
02:53 Irma         Great voting! If only US elections were this simple ;-)
02:53 rangi        heh
02:53 wizzyrea     we can hope ;)
02:52 mtj          obama wins!
02:52 kathryn      +1
02:52 jwagner      +1
02:52 nancyk       +1
02:52 davidnind    +1
02:52 Irma         +1
02:52 rangi        +1
02:52 thd          +1
02:52 JDatTeTakere +1
02:52 oleonard     +1
02:52 cjh          +1
02:52 mtj          +1
02:52 jcamins      +1
02:52 rangi        lets vote
02:52 cjh          sounds good.
02:52 rangi        sounds good
02:52 BobB         that's the first Wednesday in Dec
02:52 davidnind    5 December - first Wednesday of the MOnth?
02:52 mtj          5 dec
02:52 wahanui      0.416666666666667
02:52 Irma         5/12?
02:51 BobB         5 Dec?
02:51 thd          early in the month please
02:51 rangi        so who has a date in mind?
02:51 thd          I like the pace :)
02:51 wizzyrea     +1
02:51 rangi        the next time is 18:00 UTC
02:50 rangi        (i warned you about letting me chair, i have an awards thingy to go to later)
02:50 rangi        #topic date for next meeting
02:50 thd          I am well informed about RDA and paid for some expensive classes.
02:50 * rangi      moves on
02:50 rangi        and ripe for putting on a wiki page :)
02:50 rangi        yep, those are all opinions
02:50 eythian      the wiki page makes a few starting points
02:49 wizzyrea     I feel like I need to know what exactly needs to be done? "RDA support" is pretty nebulous for me
02:49 thd          We should be trying to push it so that people can at least have full RDA records from copy cataloguing when those start becoming widely available.
02:49 jcamins      Yeah, wiki and/or list, then when there's an action, discuss it in a general meeting.
02:49 rangi        not really a general topic i dont think
02:49 oleonard     speaking of which, we need to get the license upgrade conversation started again too
02:49 rangi        then organise a meeting of ppl interested in it
02:49 Irma         So that we can briefly discuss progress and necessary actions?
02:49 wizzyrea     ^^
02:49 rangi        yeah
02:48 BobB         Prolly need to get more momentum first, via the wiki.
02:48 oleonard     I'm not sure that would be productive before a list/wiki discussion has started
02:48 Irma         Should we enter it as an agenda item for the next meetings though?
02:47 jcamins      Yeah, I'd say the wiki is the place for that discussion.
02:47 thd          The MARC framewarks are years out of date.  Funding disappeared for that work.
02:47 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/RDA
02:47 rangi        and/or wiki?
02:47 rangi        but yeah, can we move that one to the list?
02:46 rangi        first they need to decide which rda :)
02:46 BobB         ..that's a big one!
02:46 rangi        heh, thats more of a wiki page i think
02:46 Irma         RDA and getting Koha ready for it ...
02:46 rangi        ok
02:45 jcamins      Not from me.
02:45 rangi        ok, anything else before we move on to the date for the next meeting?
02:44 rangi        #agreed Global bug squashing weekend starting november 9th
02:44 BobB         +1
02:44 stefan-l     +1 on friday
02:43 libsysguy    +1
02:43 thd          +1 all weekend although I am otherwise committed
02:43 cjh          +1
02:43 mtj          +1
02:43 davidnind    +1
02:42 Irma         +1
02:42 oleonard     +1
02:42 rangi        +1
02:42 jcamins      +1
02:42 mtj          'Shock and Awe!'
02:42 jcamins      So, let's vote?
02:42 wizzyrea     O.o
02:41 mtj          koha bitzkrieg
02:41 BobB         cool
02:41 jcamins      BobB: exactly. :)
02:41 rangi        thats the one BobB
02:41 jcamins      This will make it easier for people to prioritize for the bug squashers.
02:41 BobB         What about starting on Friday and letting it run until Monday?  Is that the suggestion?
02:41 rangi        not me
02:41 oleonard     Anyone object to GBSW?
02:41 rangi        pass it
02:41 rangi        dont kick the ball
02:41 cjh          a bug squash weekend sounds cool.
02:40 rangi        scrum storm sprint
02:40 mtj          i love the  bugs squash weekend idea
02:40 jcamins      #action jcamins will mark candidates for 3.10 that are in "Needs signoff" assuming he has power this week.
02:40 thd          storm :)
02:40 cjh          heh
02:40 jcamins      We'll call it a sprint, or a storm, or whatever's cool in project management.
02:39 jcamins      Right, so we also have 5 days notice for Monday.
02:39 cjh          I feel 2 days is a bit short notice, hopefully we can get enough people
02:39 jcamins      Not real person weekend. :P
02:39 oleonard     I see
02:39 jcamins      *College* weekend.
02:39 jcamins      oleonard: right, that's why it's Friday-Monday.
02:39 * oleonard   can bug-squash at work but too many obligations at home
02:38 rangi        yup
02:38 jcamins      Now is a good time to really focus on testing.
02:38 rangi        true
02:38 jcamins      We're approaching 3.10.
02:38 jcamins      What about GBSW? - Global Bug Squashing Weekend
02:38 stefan-l     +1 9th nov
02:38 thd          +1 12 Nov.
02:37 rangi        cait will be make on friday
02:37 oleonard     Will magnus and cait still be conferencing Friday? Monday?
02:37 Irma         +1 9th nov
02:37 Irma         + 9th nov
02:36 mtj          +1 9th nov
02:36 mtj          im trying to work out how to use a 'Template:Globsquad' template to make a new GSBD page
02:36 oleonard     I can to the wiki and the emails if we can settle on a date
02:35 rangi        so someone else will need to step up
02:35 rangi        and they usually do it
02:35 rangi        and so is cait
02:35 rangi        and magnuse is conferencing
02:35 rangi        well i think the secret with it, like pretty much everything in koha, is someone needs to organise/do it
02:35 Irma         Friday 9th Nov or Mon 12th Nov ok for CALYX
02:34 wizzyrea     ^.^
02:34 rangi        make it monday and ill make it your job to test patches *grin*
02:34 rangi        nope
02:34 wizzyrea     hrm think it'll actually get any traction? does it have to be a friday?
02:33 rangi        any one want to volunteer to do that ?
02:33 rangi        and send out emails
02:33 rangi        if people want it to happen then, they just need to make a wiki page
02:32 rangi        #idea bug squashing day on the 9th of november
02:32 jcamins      And by "probably" I mean "I am absolutely certain."
02:32 rangi        yeah
02:32 jcamins      I'm fine with the 16th, but keep in mind that I _am_ a stickler, and we have two people pushing code to get it into 3.10.x, so some patches would probably get deferred for 3.10.1
02:32 mtj          yeah, so 16th not so good
02:32 rangi        adn we dont want a pile of patches the week before 3.10.0
02:31 rangi        15th is string freeze for 3.8.x
02:31 rangi        i think the 9th is good
02:31 mtj          or 16th nov, the friday after that?
02:31 oleonard     I'd love to see people try to lead testing on patches they have written which have languished in the needs-signoff queue for a long time.
02:31 jcamins      Which would be... 9 November
02:30 rangi        in nz
02:30 Irma         Stefan is in Sydney until 3/12 so before then would be good
02:30 rangi        which is tomorrow
02:30 rangi        *nod*
02:30 jcamins      It's usually the second Friday.
02:30 rangi        itd be good to do one before 3.10.0
02:30 rangi        of course, we could just pick a date ;)
02:30 wizzyrea     he's sleeping :)
02:29 rangi        id suggest an email to the koha-devel list
02:29 rangi        ah, magnus usually organises that
02:29 Irma         snap
02:29 Irma         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day Next date?
02:29 BobB         it was about Global Bug Squashing Day, is there a date?
02:28 rangi        Irma: you had a question? :)
02:28 BobB         spelt right, too
02:28 rangi        #topic Miscellaneous
02:28 rangi        moving on
02:28 jcamins      I don't see any.
02:27 rangi        i don tthink we had any actions?
02:27 rangi        #topic actions from the last meeting
02:27 davidnind    70 F = 21 degrees C
02:26 nancyk       no
02:26 rangi        does anyone else have anything else about kohacon13 ?
02:26 rhcl         ?
02:26 rhcl         thd: nor'easter coming, right
02:26 wizzyrea     yes! thd made it through sandy!
02:26 rangi        good to see you safe and sound thd
02:26 thd          #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme , New York City, survived the blackout and heatout
02:26 oleonard     Swank.
02:26 wizzyrea     sounds pretty perfect ;)
02:26 rangi        #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13-2/
02:25 * wizzyrea   giggles
02:25 nancyk       70s and sometimes 80s sunny
02:25 rangi        and
02:25 libsysguy    I do have to keep up my beauty :p
02:25 rangi        #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary
02:25 libsysguy    nancyk++
02:25 wizzyrea     well you are our "hottest developer" so there's that.
02:25 oleonard     What's the weather like in October?
02:25 wizzyrea     lol.
02:25 rangi        nancyk++
02:25 jcamins      Could you put a link to the KohaCon13 website and wiki pages in the minutes?
02:25 libsysguy    nancyk I require a beautyrest in my hotel :p
02:25 nancyk       Excited!!!!
02:24 nancyk       We will get info on the web site and wiki as soon as we know which hotel
02:24 Irma         nancyk ++
02:24 rangi        #info kohacon13 dates are looking like mid october
02:24 rangi        cool
02:24 nancyk       rats bad spelling
02:23 nancyk       looks like mid odtober
02:23 rangi        oh cool
02:23 nancyk       almost finished touring hotels, have it narrowed down to 3
02:23 rangi        nancyk: did you have any information about kohacon13 ?
02:23 rangi        but spelt right ;)
02:23 Irma         ok
02:23 rangi        Irma: can you ask that again when we get to miscallaneous please
02:23 cjh          heh
02:22 wizzyrea     jcamins++ i like roadmaps
02:22 rangi        #topic kohacon13
02:22 oleonard     jcamins++
02:22 Irma         Is there a date for the next Global Bug Squashing Day?
02:22 rangi        jcamins++
02:22 jcamins      That's it.
02:22 jcamins      #info The RM will prepare a "roadmap" for 3.12 after 3.10.0 is released, but since the focus is on "stability," don't expect a detailed plan for exactly what we're going to be working on at any given point.
02:21 * rangi      pauses
02:21 jcamins      Oh, one more thing.
02:21 rangi        thanks jcamins
02:21 jcamins      I think that's pretty much it from me.
02:21 jcamins      #info During the 3.12 release cycle, the RM will assign the QAM as QA contact to bugs where he is concerned about a conflict of interest, and the QAM can delegate as appropriate.
02:21 BobB         :)
02:20 libsysguy    cait will rule with an iron fist
02:19 jcamins      During the 3.12 cycle I'll be leaning on cait a lot to deal with delegation.
02:19 rangi        i think cait will be great at managing those things
02:19 jcamins      Yes. That's a good point.
02:19 rangi        yeah, now the team is big too, its easy to stop that
02:18 eythian      And it broke things for other people.
02:18 eythian      I've seen a patch by company X that was signed off by someone associated with X, and then the QA signoff was also from X.
02:18 wizzyrea     I like your style.
02:18 eythian      a general reinforcement of the rules would be good
02:18 jcamins      Other than that, I expect a nice tight six-month release cycle, and I'll be preparing monthly "previews."
02:17 cjh          jcamins++ # for bringing it up
02:17 wizzyrea     oy
02:17 wizzyrea     !!
02:17 cjh          eek
02:17 jcamins      The bug report that I'm referring to was set to "Passed QA" by the author several times.
02:17 rangi        that should be ok
02:17 rangi        i think we have a big team now
02:17 libsysguy    same
02:17 wizzyrea     that*
02:17 wizzyrea     yea, I tend to agree with hat
02:17 jcamins      cjh: I'm leaning towards "yes."
02:17 cjh          although if a patch is 'passed qa' and then goes 'in discussion' it would require a qa team member to put it back to 'passed qa', is this desired?
02:16 jcamins      Let's see, what else?
02:16 wizzyrea     tahiti_holiday++
02:16 jcamins      #action Find out if we can set Bugzilla permissions so that only the QA team can mark things "Passed QA"
02:16 wizzyrea     wewt
02:16 rangi        #info only qa team should mark patches passed qa, unless there are some crazy circumstances like security and everyone is on holiday in tahiti or something
02:16 libsysguy    yeah can we fix that kind of thing with perms
02:16 jcamins      wizzyrea: I'm not sure. But if it can, that might be good.
02:16 wizzyrea     bugzilla can do some crazy awesome things.
02:16 wizzyrea     with permissions
02:16 wizzyrea     I think bugzilla can manage that sort of thing or no?
02:15 jcamins      Yes, good idea.
02:15 rangi        shall i do an info point only qa team can mark things passed-qa ?
02:15 jcamins      I will, in fact, be requesting additional signoffs from members of the QA team whenever they QA patches.
02:15 jcamins      The change in release manager does not mean a relaxation of QA standards.
02:14 jcamins      That is not, and never has been acceptable.
02:14 wizzyrea     ew yea not acceptable.
02:14 rangi        down with that kind of thing
02:14 jcamins      Attached to that bug were no fewer than *three* patches that had not been tested by anyone.
02:14 jcamins      One of the bugs that was marked "Passed QA" was marked that BY ITS AUTHOR, without ANY member of the QA team approving it.
02:13 jcamins      This brings up an important point.
02:13 jcamins      However, as non-3.10 patches pass QA I am applying them to an integration branch on my local machine.
02:13 rangi        cool
02:13 jcamins      Right now I am only pushing 3.10-safe fixes to that branch.
02:12 jcamins      The master branch will be 3.11 once 3.10.0 is released.
02:12 Irma         hi all
02:12 Irma         sorry I am late # Irma CALYX information essentials - Sydney
02:12 rangi        you again jcamins
02:12 rangi        heh
02:12 jcamins      Oh, rangi beat me.
02:11 jcamins      #action Test and sign off on the bugfixes that are already in Bugzilla, and test 3.10.x/master and fix any bugs you find.
02:11 rangi        #topic 3.12
02:11 rangi        #action everyone test bug fixes
02:11 rangi        oh yes
02:11 jcamins      TEST BUGFIXES!!!!
02:11 jcamins      Oh, one more thing.
02:10 rangi        anyone have anything else for 3.10?
02:10 jcamins      I will address 3.12 when we get there.
02:10 jcamins      As far as I know, 3.10.0 is on-schedule
02:10 rangi        sounds good to me
02:10 kathryn      oops I forgot about tweetbot sorry for the interruption, my jokes always backfire...
02:10 jcamins      ("probably" because there is always the possibility -- however slight -- of an error)
02:09 jcamins      *3.10.0
02:09 jcamins      Any code that either of us is uncomfortable with will probably not go into master until after 3.10.x is released.
02:09 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @nzkoha: "@ranginui is chairing the #kohails IRC meeting like a boss"
02:09 jcamins      Paul is cherry-picking bugfixes that do not include string changes.
02:09 rangi        excellent
02:08 jcamins      Now that 3.10.x has been branched and I am pushing to master we have an additional set of eyes looking over code before it gets into 3.10.x.
02:08 rangi        #link http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-11-12-2012-10/
02:08 jcamins      paul_p isn't here, so I'll give what information I have.
02:08 rangi        we have no paul, but i think reading the newsletter is a good idea
02:07 rangi        #topic update on 3.10
02:07 rangi        ie signed off, passed qa, and pushed, then ill cherry pick them to 3.8.x
02:07 libsysguy    fair enough
02:07 libsysguy    hehe
02:07 rangi        if they are pushed to master then yes
02:06 libsysguy    for use with the calendar
02:06 libsysguy    is it going to include the hourly fixes?
02:06 cjh          awesome
02:06 rangi        3.8 is coming along nicely, on schedule for 3.8.7 release on time
02:06 rangi        #topic update on 3.8
02:06 wizzyrea     ^^ what he said
02:06 libsysguy    git-bz++
02:05 rangi        git-bz++
02:05 wizzyrea     to both
02:05 wizzyrea     oooo
02:05 jcamins      That's it from me.
02:05 mtj          #info i've just eaten waaay too many samosas :/
02:05 jcamins      #info We now have a repository for a version of git-bz customized for Koha at http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=git-bz.git;a=summary
02:05 rangi        anything else before we move on?
02:05 rangi        #action libsysguy to publish repo of his mechanized testing suite
02:04 libsysguy    ill publish the repo soon
02:04 rangi        cool
02:04 wizzyrea     libsysguy++
02:04 libsysguy    with WWW::Mech
02:04 libsysguy    I've starting working on automated testing
02:04 wizzyrea     \o/
02:04 rangi        thats the only one i have
02:04 rangi        wizzyrea starts work at catalyst on monday
02:03 rangi        anyone have any announcements ?
02:03 wizzyrea     #info Liz Rea
02:03 davidnind    #infor David Nind, NZ
02:03 kathryn      #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT NZ
02:03 rangi        #topic Announcements
02:02 mtj          #info Mason James, NZ
02:02 JDatTeTakere 2Felt like being colourful :-)
02:02 rangi        anyone else?
02:02 rangi        in blue even
02:02 JDatTeTakere 2#info Joanne Dillon (JD), Te Takere
02:01 clintD       #info Clint Deckard, Anact
02:01 libsysguy    shoot
02:01 libsysguy    aww I forgot to add that I am QAA 3.12
02:01 eythian      #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
02:01 jcamins      #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, Release Manager for 3.12 and RMaint emeritus for 3.6.x
02:01 jwagner      #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:01 rhcl         #info rhcl = Greg - Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
02:01 nancyk       #info NancyK Reno
02:01 cjh          #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT
02:01 BobB         #info Bob Birchall, Calyx information essentials
02:01 rangi        #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, Rmaint 3.8.x and 3.10.x
02:01 libsysguy    #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions
02:01 oleonard     #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
02:01 wahanui      #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
02:01 rangi        #topic Introductions
02:00 huginn       Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
02:00 huginn       Meeting started Wed Nov  7 02:00:25 2012 UTC.  The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
02:00 wahanui      if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
02:00 rangi        #startmeeting
02:00 jcamins      Go.
02:00 libsysguy    same
02:00 jcamins      You have one hour.
02:00 jcamins      Sounds good to me.
02:00 rangi        if no one volunteers you are gonna be stuck with me
02:00 William      :)
02:00 William      Allrighty then ...back to the election
01:59 libsysguy    :p
01:59 libsysguy    you're too early William
01:59 rangi        havent started yet William :)
01:59 William      #info William
01:59 rangi        any volunteers for chair?
01:58 cjh          agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_November_2012
01:58 libsysguy    can't have that
01:58 rangi        oh yeah whoops
01:58 oleonard     rangi: Doesn't that have the unwanted effect of making it easier to vote?
01:58 rangi        :)
01:58 libsysguy    that makes more sense….but its also nice to get off owrk :p
01:58 rangi        thats one little efficiency thats easy to make
01:58 rangi        its always on a saturday here
01:57 libsysguy    :p
01:57 libsysguy    thats why the calendar re-write isn't done
01:57 libsysguy    I'm an optimization nut
01:57 libsysguy    oh well I guess I better get the heck out of here
01:57 rangi        heh
01:57 oleonard     We're talking about how awesome and efficient American elections are libsysguy
01:57 wahanui      hmmm... agenda is a wiki
01:57 libsysguy    agenda?
01:56 libsysguy    BOOM!
01:56 libsysguy    sweet
01:56 rangi        4 mins early in fact
01:56 rangi        you are in time
01:56 libsysguy    did I miss the meeting or am i in time
01:56 * libsysguy  is watching CNN
01:56 jcamins      If you believe it.
01:56 jcamins      I would told that Google's map is better than Politico's.
01:55 rangi        i guess its more fun for me, cos i dont live there
01:55 rangi        lol oleonard
01:54 rhcl         AP (should be fairly unbiased) is at: https://www.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&topic=el&ict=ln&ar=1352253079
01:54 oleonard     I would rather go to the dentist than watch election coverage.
01:53 rangi        if ppl have better sites, id love to know
01:53 rangi        http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/ <-- is what im looking at
01:52 rangi        good luck with that
01:52 rangi        with our atheist prime minister and universal healthcare
01:52 rangi        if obama wins im moving to nz
01:52 jcamins      After all, if bipartisan committees can contain members from only one party, 1 == 2
01:51 rangi        on twitter today
01:51 rangi        good work oleonard
01:51 oleonard     When did Republicans start threatening to move to NZ?
01:51 * rangi      checks athens county
01:51 rangi        ohh
01:51 jcamins      Now it's anyone's call.
01:51 rangi        heh
01:51 jcamins      rangi: well, that's what we thought until the northern Virginia mega-state seceded.
01:51 mtj          "unifex: If Obama wins *and* Republicans move to #NZ I'm moving to America."
01:50 rhcl         um, really gotta wait for Florida too
01:50 rangi        so, it pretty much all boils down to ohio right?
01:49 rangi        Obama wins East Anglia, race in Ohiyoming too close to call.
01:49 rangi        one of my friends is making up bogus election results
01:48 rhcl         by my count apple is only winning about 50% of their various world-wide patent battles
01:48 rangi        Romney has commanding leads in both Alabaska and Nebrada, but Obama ahead in New Hampicut
01:48 rangi        lol my tweetstream is awesome
01:48 rangi        apple picks a fight and loses, doenst happen often so im happy when it does :)
01:47 cjh          oh wow
01:47 rangi        http://mashable.com/2012/11/02/apple-iphone-mexico/
01:46 rangi        just because of
01:46 rangi        mexico is my current favourite country
01:46 oleonard     Maybe not if they got Governor Rick Perry with it.
01:46 rangi        would they take it back?
01:46 cjh          hahaha
01:46 rangi        heh
01:46 oleonard     I would also entertain returning Texas to Mexico.
01:45 oleonard     rangi: That'd be the best way to get Puerto Rico statehood, since we wouldn't have to change the flag!
01:44 rangi        rambutan: ahh thanks
01:44 jcamins      lol
01:44 rambutan     rangi: yes, if you are in line when the polls close you get to vote
01:44 rangi        :)
01:44 rangi        you're welcome
01:44 rangi        there, i just cut out one of your states, reducing bureaucracy and wasteful spending
01:44 jcamins      Only lower and superior court judges are elected. Supreme court judges are appointed.
01:44 rangi        maybe north virginia can join maryland and the rest join west virginia
01:43 jcamins      BobB: elected judges wouldn't get to decide that.
01:43 oleonard     Seems wrong, but then again how is appointing them any better?
01:43 BobB         I don't get that, electing judges.
01:42 BobB         ... with the current judges or the newly elected ones?
01:42 BobB         there might be a court case about that
01:42 rangi        who knew
01:42 jcamins      Apparently.
01:41 rangi        if you are in a line, before they close .. are you allowed to still vote?
01:41 jcamins      Yes.
01:41 jcamins      rangi: yes, and the northern Virginia mega-state apparently seceded from Virginia, since northern Virginia is going Democrat, and Virginia is going Republican.
01:41 rangi        didnt the polls close there like 1 hour and 40 mins ago?
01:40 rangi        CBS just reported -- they've stopped reporting results in Virgina bc so many people still in line to vote
01:40 rangi        apparently ppl are still in line in virginia
01:39 oleonard     If that race got heated it would make for some fun campaign ads. Sadly this race wasn't even contested.
01:37 jcamins      oleonard: to make sure the person inspecting your dead body is the right political party?
01:36 oleonard     Why do we even elect a coroner?
01:35 oleonard     President, state senator, 2 congressional elections, count commissioner, judges, 3 ballot issues, sheriff, and coroner.
01:35 davidnind    Hi Mason
01:34 jcamins      oleonard: we had the choice between Candidate A, Candidate A, and Candidate A for the Democratic, Republican, and Other parties for the local elections.
01:34 rangi        hm yeah, thats right you get to vote on a ton of things
01:33 davidnind    Just making sure I can get IRC to work at work
01:33 oleonard     But I have to say, it's awesome to get to sit down at the computer with my ballot and look up the things I don't know about (usually state supreme court races)
01:32 * oleonard   voted early, so I didn't even get to feel like I got anything done today
01:31 rangi        go vote some more or something
01:31 rangi        you guys are early
01:26 mtj          heya david
01:10 mtj          oops...
01:10 mtj          #  dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/koha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb
01:00 BobB         Ah, ok.  We'll be doing it in 3.8 initially, but good to know that is coming.
00:59 jcamins      BobB: if you're planning a migration that will be onto 3.10, you can also use stage marc import.
00:54 BobB         jcamins Thank you.
00:52 mtj          ooh sweet, i think i just found one -> /var/cache/apt/archives/koha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb
00:47 wahanui      yeah, that is, like, cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha
00:47 eythian      yeah, that
00:47 eythian      is it currently running from that deb? If so, perhaps its...
00:47 mtj          i might look for it in the package cache dir, of a local box
00:47 mtj          we're currently testing a 3.6.4 -> 3.8.6 upgrade, so i need that deb to prep up a test box
00:46 mtj          hmm, i didnt know that
00:46 eythian      but yeah, old ones aren't kept
00:45 eythian      mtj: you can get 3.6.10
00:45 eythian      no wahanui, 3.6.4 is not the current stable version
00:45 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot 3.6.4
00:45 jcamins      wahanui: forget 3.6.4
00:45 jcamins      We don't keep packages that old.
00:45 wahanui      3.6.4 is the current stable version
00:45 eythian      mtj: 3.6.4?
00:44 mtj          http://debian.koha-community.org/  somewhere?
00:44 mtj          ive a .deb package Q… where can i grab a koha-3.6.4.deb file from ?
00:41 jcamins      bulkmarcimport.pl -a
00:41 jcamins      Yeah.
00:35 BobB         I think we use bulkmarcimport.pl with an option?
00:34 BobB         what do we use to import authorities these days?  Is bulkauthimport.pl deprecated?
00:34 BobB         Hi all,
00:04 rangi        sleep well
00:04 rangi        no problem
00:03 lds          rangi: i go to bed. Good day ;-) and thank you again for your help