Time Nick Message 00:03 lds rangi: i go to bed. Good day ;-) and thank you again for your help 00:04 rangi no problem 00:04 rangi sleep well 00:34 BobB Hi all, 00:34 BobB what do we use to import authorities these days? Is bulkauthimport.pl deprecated? 00:35 BobB I think we use bulkmarcimport.pl with an option? 00:41 jcamins Yeah. 00:41 jcamins bulkmarcimport.pl -a 00:44 mtj ive a .deb package Q… where can i grab a koha-3.6.4.deb file from ? 00:44 mtj http://debian.koha-community.org/ somewhere? 00:45 eythian mtj: 3.6.4? 00:45 wahanui 3.6.4 is the current stable version 00:45 jcamins We don't keep packages that old. 00:45 jcamins wahanui: forget 3.6.4 00:45 wahanui jcamins: I forgot 3.6.4 00:45 eythian no wahanui, 3.6.4 is not the current stable version 00:45 eythian mtj: you can get 3.6.10 00:46 eythian but yeah, old ones aren't kept 00:46 mtj hmm, i didnt know that 00:47 mtj we're currently testing a 3.6.4 -> 3.8.6 upgrade, so i need that deb to prep up a test box 00:47 mtj i might look for it in the package cache dir, of a local box 00:47 eythian is it currently running from that deb? If so, perhaps its... 00:47 eythian yeah, that 00:47 wahanui yeah, that is, like, cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha 00:52 mtj ooh sweet, i think i just found one -> /var/cache/apt/archives/koha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb 00:54 BobB jcamins Thank you. 00:59 jcamins BobB: if you're planning a migration that will be onto 3.10, you can also use stage marc import. 01:00 BobB Ah, ok. We'll be doing it in 3.8 initially, but good to know that is coming. 01:10 mtj # dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/koha-common_3.6.4-1_all.deb 01:10 mtj oops... 01:26 mtj heya david 01:31 rangi you guys are early 01:31 rangi go vote some more or something 01:32 * oleonard voted early, so I didn't even get to feel like I got anything done today 01:33 oleonard But I have to say, it's awesome to get to sit down at the computer with my ballot and look up the things I don't know about (usually state supreme court races) 01:33 davidnind Just making sure I can get IRC to work at work 01:34 rangi hm yeah, thats right you get to vote on a ton of things 01:34 jcamins oleonard: we had the choice between Candidate A, Candidate A, and Candidate A for the Democratic, Republican, and Other parties for the local elections. 01:35 davidnind Hi Mason 01:35 oleonard President, state senator, 2 congressional elections, count commissioner, judges, 3 ballot issues, sheriff, and coroner. 01:36 oleonard Why do we even elect a coroner? 01:37 jcamins oleonard: to make sure the person inspecting your dead body is the right political party? 01:39 oleonard If that race got heated it would make for some fun campaign ads. Sadly this race wasn't even contested. 01:40 rangi apparently ppl are still in line in virginia 01:40 rangi CBS just reported -- they've stopped reporting results in Virgina bc so many people still in line to vote 01:41 rangi didnt the polls close there like 1 hour and 40 mins ago? 01:41 jcamins rangi: yes, and the northern Virginia mega-state apparently seceded from Virginia, since northern Virginia is going Democrat, and Virginia is going Republican. 01:41 jcamins Yes. 01:41 rangi if you are in a line, before they close .. are you allowed to still vote? 01:42 jcamins Apparently. 01:42 rangi who knew 01:42 BobB there might be a court case about that 01:42 BobB ... with the current judges or the newly elected ones? 01:43 BobB I don't get that, electing judges. 01:43 oleonard Seems wrong, but then again how is appointing them any better? 01:43 jcamins BobB: elected judges wouldn't get to decide that. 01:44 rangi maybe north virginia can join maryland and the rest join west virginia 01:44 jcamins Only lower and superior court judges are elected. Supreme court judges are appointed. 01:44 rangi there, i just cut out one of your states, reducing bureaucracy and wasteful spending 01:44 rangi you're welcome 01:44 rangi :) 01:44 rambutan rangi: yes, if you are in line when the polls close you get to vote 01:44 jcamins lol 01:44 rangi rambutan: ahh thanks 01:45 oleonard rangi: That'd be the best way to get Puerto Rico statehood, since we wouldn't have to change the flag! 01:46 oleonard I would also entertain returning Texas to Mexico. 01:46 rangi heh 01:46 cjh hahaha 01:46 rangi would they take it back? 01:46 oleonard Maybe not if they got Governor Rick Perry with it. 01:46 rangi mexico is my current favourite country 01:46 rangi just because of 01:47 rangi http://mashable.com/2012/11/02/apple-iphone-mexico/ 01:47 cjh oh wow 01:48 rangi apple picks a fight and loses, doenst happen often so im happy when it does :) 01:48 rangi lol my tweetstream is awesome 01:48 rangi Romney has commanding leads in both Alabaska and Nebrada, but Obama ahead in New Hampicut 01:48 rhcl by my count apple is only winning about 50% of their various world-wide patent battles 01:49 rangi one of my friends is making up bogus election results 01:49 rangi Obama wins East Anglia, race in Ohiyoming too close to call. 01:50 rangi so, it pretty much all boils down to ohio right? 01:50 rhcl um, really gotta wait for Florida too 01:51 mtj "unifex: If Obama wins *and* Republicans move to #NZ I'm moving to America." 01:51 jcamins rangi: well, that's what we thought until the northern Virginia mega-state seceded. 01:51 rangi heh 01:51 jcamins Now it's anyone's call. 01:51 rangi ohh 01:51 * rangi checks athens county 01:51 oleonard When did Republicans start threatening to move to NZ? 01:51 rangi good work oleonard 01:51 rangi on twitter today 01:52 jcamins After all, if bipartisan committees can contain members from only one party, 1 == 2 01:52 rangi if obama wins im moving to nz 01:52 rangi with our atheist prime minister and universal healthcare 01:52 rangi good luck with that 01:53 rangi http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/ <-- is what im looking at 01:53 rangi if ppl have better sites, id love to know 01:54 oleonard I would rather go to the dentist than watch election coverage. 01:54 rhcl AP (should be fairly unbiased) is at: https://www.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&topic=el&ict=ln&ar=1352253079 01:55 rangi lol oleonard 01:55 rangi i guess its more fun for me, cos i dont live there 01:56 jcamins I would told that Google's map is better than Politico's. 01:56 jcamins If you believe it. 01:56 * libsysguy is watching CNN 01:56 libsysguy did I miss the meeting or am i in time 01:56 rangi you are in time 01:56 rangi 4 mins early in fact 01:56 libsysguy sweet 01:56 libsysguy BOOM! 01:57 libsysguy agenda? 01:57 wahanui hmmm... agenda is a wiki 01:57 oleonard We're talking about how awesome and efficient American elections are libsysguy 01:57 rangi heh 01:57 libsysguy oh well I guess I better get the heck out of here 01:57 libsysguy I'm an optimization nut 01:57 libsysguy thats why the calendar re-write isn't done 01:57 libsysguy :p 01:58 rangi its always on a saturday here 01:58 rangi thats one little efficiency thats easy to make 01:58 libsysguy that makes more sense….but its also nice to get off owrk :p 01:58 rangi :) 01:58 oleonard rangi: Doesn't that have the unwanted effect of making it easier to vote? 01:58 rangi oh yeah whoops 01:58 libsysguy can't have that 01:58 cjh agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_November_2012 01:59 rangi any volunteers for chair? 01:59 William #info William 01:59 rangi havent started yet William :) 01:59 libsysguy you're too early William 01:59 libsysguy :p 02:00 William Allrighty then ...back to the election 02:00 William :) 02:00 rangi if no one volunteers you are gonna be stuck with me 02:00 jcamins Sounds good to me. 02:00 jcamins You have one hour. 02:00 libsysguy same 02:00 jcamins Go. 02:00 rangi #startmeeting 02:00 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 02:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 7 02:00:25 2012 UTC. 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02:02 JDatTeTakere 2Felt like being colourful :-) 02:02 mtj #info Mason James, NZ 02:03 rangi #topic Announcements 02:03 kathryn #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT NZ 02:03 davidnind #infor David Nind, NZ 02:03 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea 02:03 rangi anyone have any announcements ? 02:04 rangi wizzyrea starts work at catalyst on monday 02:04 rangi thats the only one i have 02:04 wizzyrea \o/ 02:04 libsysguy I've starting working on automated testing 02:04 libsysguy with WWW::Mech 02:04 wizzyrea libsysguy++ 02:04 rangi cool 02:04 libsysguy ill publish the repo soon 02:05 rangi #action libsysguy to publish repo of his mechanized testing suite 02:05 rangi anything else before we move on? 02:05 jcamins #info We now have a repository for a version of git-bz customized for Koha at http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=git-bz.git;a=summary 02:05 mtj #info i've just eaten waaay too many samosas :/ 02:05 jcamins That's it from me. 02:05 wizzyrea oooo 02:05 wizzyrea to both 02:05 rangi git-bz++ 02:06 libsysguy git-bz++ 02:06 wizzyrea ^^ what he said 02:06 rangi #topic update on 3.8 02:06 rangi 3.8 is coming along nicely, on schedule for 3.8.7 release on time 02:06 cjh awesome 02:06 libsysguy is it going to include the hourly fixes? 02:06 libsysguy for use with the calendar 02:07 rangi if they are pushed to master then yes 02:07 libsysguy hehe 02:07 libsysguy fair enough 02:07 rangi ie signed off, passed qa, and pushed, then ill cherry pick them to 3.8.x 02:07 rangi #topic update on 3.10 02:08 rangi we have no paul, but i think reading the newsletter is a good idea 02:08 jcamins paul_p isn't here, so I'll give what information I have. 02:08 rangi #link http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-11-12-2012-10/ 02:08 jcamins Now that 3.10.x has been branched and I am pushing to master we have an additional set of eyes looking over code before it gets into 3.10.x. 02:09 rangi excellent 02:09 jcamins Paul is cherry-picking bugfixes that do not include string changes. 02:09 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @nzkoha: "@ranginui is chairing the #kohails IRC meeting like a boss" 02:09 jcamins Any code that either of us is uncomfortable with will probably not go into master until after 3.10.x is released. 02:09 jcamins *3.10.0 02:10 jcamins ("probably" because there is always the possibility -- however slight -- of an error) 02:10 kathryn oops I forgot about tweetbot sorry for the interruption, my jokes always backfire... 02:10 rangi sounds good to me 02:10 jcamins As far as I know, 3.10.0 is on-schedule 02:10 jcamins I will address 3.12 when we get there. 02:10 rangi anyone have anything else for 3.10? 02:11 jcamins Oh, one more thing. 02:11 jcamins TEST BUGFIXES!!!! 02:11 rangi oh yes 02:11 rangi #action everyone test bug fixes 02:11 rangi #topic 3.12 02:11 jcamins #action Test and sign off on the bugfixes that are already in Bugzilla, and test 3.10.x/master and fix any bugs you find. 02:12 jcamins Oh, rangi beat me. 02:12 rangi heh 02:12 rangi you again jcamins 02:12 Irma sorry I am late # Irma CALYX information essentials - Sydney 02:12 Irma hi all 02:12 jcamins The master branch will be 3.11 once 3.10.0 is released. 02:13 jcamins Right now I am only pushing 3.10-safe fixes to that branch. 02:13 rangi cool 02:13 jcamins However, as non-3.10 patches pass QA I am applying them to an integration branch on my local machine. 02:13 jcamins This brings up an important point. 02:14 jcamins One of the bugs that was marked "Passed QA" was marked that BY ITS AUTHOR, without ANY member of the QA team approving it. 02:14 jcamins Attached to that bug were no fewer than *three* patches that had not been tested by anyone. 02:14 rangi down with that kind of thing 02:14 wizzyrea ew yea not acceptable. 02:14 jcamins That is not, and never has been acceptable. 02:15 jcamins The change in release manager does not mean a relaxation of QA standards. 02:15 jcamins I will, in fact, be requesting additional signoffs from members of the QA team whenever they QA patches. 02:15 rangi shall i do an info point only qa team can mark things passed-qa ? 02:15 jcamins Yes, good idea. 02:16 wizzyrea I think bugzilla can manage that sort of thing or no? 02:16 wizzyrea with permissions 02:16 wizzyrea bugzilla can do some crazy awesome things. 02:16 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm not sure. But if it can, that might be good. 02:16 libsysguy yeah can we fix that kind of thing with perms 02:16 rangi #info only qa team should mark patches passed qa, unless there are some crazy circumstances like security and everyone is on holiday in tahiti or something 02:16 wizzyrea wewt 02:16 jcamins #action Find out if we can set Bugzilla permissions so that only the QA team can mark things "Passed QA" 02:16 wizzyrea tahiti_holiday++ 02:16 jcamins Let's see, what else? 02:17 cjh although if a patch is 'passed qa' and then goes 'in discussion' it would require a qa team member to put it back to 'passed qa', is this desired? 02:17 jcamins cjh: I'm leaning towards "yes." 02:17 wizzyrea yea, I tend to agree with hat 02:17 wizzyrea that* 02:17 libsysguy same 02:17 rangi i think we have a big team now 02:17 rangi that should be ok 02:17 jcamins The bug report that I'm referring to was set to "Passed QA" by the author several times. 02:17 cjh eek 02:17 wizzyrea !! 02:17 wizzyrea oy 02:17 cjh jcamins++ # for bringing it up 02:18 jcamins Other than that, I expect a nice tight six-month release cycle, and I'll be preparing monthly "previews." 02:18 eythian a general reinforcement of the rules would be good 02:18 wizzyrea I like your style. 02:18 eythian I've seen a patch by company X that was signed off by someone associated with X, and then the QA signoff was also from X. 02:18 eythian And it broke things for other people. 02:19 rangi yeah, now the team is big too, its easy to stop that 02:19 jcamins Yes. That's a good point. 02:19 rangi i think cait will be great at managing those things 02:19 jcamins During the 3.12 cycle I'll be leaning on cait a lot to deal with delegation. 02:20 libsysguy cait will rule with an iron fist 02:21 BobB :) 02:21 jcamins #info During the 3.12 release cycle, the RM will assign the QAM as QA contact to bugs where he is concerned about a conflict of interest, and the QAM can delegate as appropriate. 02:21 jcamins I think that's pretty much it from me. 02:21 rangi thanks jcamins 02:21 jcamins Oh, one more thing. 02:21 * rangi pauses 02:22 jcamins #info The RM will prepare a "roadmap" for 3.12 after 3.10.0 is released, but since the focus is on "stability," don't expect a detailed plan for exactly what we're going to be working on at any given point. 02:22 jcamins That's it. 02:22 rangi jcamins++ 02:22 Irma Is there a date for the next Global Bug Squashing Day? 02:22 oleonard jcamins++ 02:22 rangi #topic kohacon13 02:22 wizzyrea jcamins++ i like roadmaps 02:23 cjh heh 02:23 rangi Irma: can you ask that again when we get to miscallaneous please 02:23 Irma ok 02:23 rangi but spelt right ;) 02:23 rangi nancyk: did you have any information about kohacon13 ? 02:23 nancyk almost finished touring hotels, have it narrowed down to 3 02:23 rangi oh cool 02:23 nancyk looks like mid odtober 02:24 nancyk rats bad spelling 02:24 rangi cool 02:24 rangi #info kohacon13 dates are looking like mid october 02:24 Irma nancyk ++ 02:24 nancyk We will get info on the web site and wiki as soon as we know which hotel 02:25 nancyk Excited!!!! 02:25 libsysguy nancyk I require a beautyrest in my hotel :p 02:25 jcamins Could you put a link to the KohaCon13 website and wiki pages in the minutes? 02:25 rangi nancyk++ 02:25 wizzyrea lol. 02:25 oleonard What's the weather like in October? 02:25 wizzyrea well you are our "hottest developer" so there's that. 02:25 libsysguy nancyk++ 02:25 rangi #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon13_Summary 02:25 libsysguy I do have to keep up my beauty :p 02:25 rangi and 02:25 nancyk 70s and sometimes 80s sunny 02:25 * wizzyrea giggles 02:26 rangi #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13-2/ 02:26 wizzyrea sounds pretty perfect ;) 02:26 oleonard Swank. 02:26 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme , New York City, survived the blackout and heatout 02:26 rangi good to see you safe and sound thd 02:26 wizzyrea yes! thd made it through sandy! 02:26 rhcl thd: nor'easter coming, right 02:26 rhcl ? 02:26 rangi does anyone else have anything else about kohacon13 ? 02:26 nancyk no 02:27 davidnind 70 F = 21 degrees C 02:27 rangi #topic actions from the last meeting 02:27 rangi i don tthink we had any actions? 02:28 jcamins I don't see any. 02:28 rangi moving on 02:28 rangi #topic Miscellaneous 02:28 BobB spelt right, too 02:28 rangi Irma: you had a question? :) 02:29 BobB it was about Global Bug Squashing Day, is there a date? 02:29 Irma http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day Next date? 02:29 Irma snap 02:29 rangi ah, magnus usually organises that 02:29 rangi id suggest an email to the koha-devel list 02:30 wizzyrea he's sleeping :) 02:30 rangi of course, we could just pick a date ;) 02:30 rangi itd be good to do one before 3.10.0 02:30 jcamins It's usually the second Friday. 02:30 rangi *nod* 02:30 rangi which is tomorrow 02:30 Irma Stefan is in Sydney until 3/12 so before then would be good 02:30 rangi in nz 02:31 jcamins Which would be... 9 November 02:31 oleonard I'd love to see people try to lead testing on patches they have written which have languished in the needs-signoff queue for a long time. 02:31 mtj or 16th nov, the friday after that? 02:31 rangi i think the 9th is good 02:31 rangi 15th is string freeze for 3.8.x 02:32 rangi adn we dont want a pile of patches the week before 3.10.0 02:32 mtj yeah, so 16th not so good 02:32 jcamins I'm fine with the 16th, but keep in mind that I _am_ a stickler, and we have two people pushing code to get it into 3.10.x, so some patches would probably get deferred for 3.10.1 02:32 rangi yeah 02:32 jcamins And by "probably" I mean "I am absolutely certain." 02:32 rangi #idea bug squashing day on the 9th of november 02:33 rangi if people want it to happen then, they just need to make a wiki page 02:33 rangi and send out emails 02:33 rangi any one want to volunteer to do that ? 02:34 wizzyrea hrm think it'll actually get any traction? does it have to be a friday? 02:34 rangi nope 02:34 rangi make it monday and ill make it your job to test patches *grin* 02:34 wizzyrea ^.^ 02:35 Irma Friday 9th Nov or Mon 12th Nov ok for CALYX 02:35 rangi well i think the secret with it, like pretty much everything in koha, is someone needs to organise/do it 02:35 rangi and magnuse is conferencing 02:35 rangi and so is cait 02:35 rangi and they usually do it 02:35 rangi so someone else will need to step up 02:36 oleonard I can to the wiki and the emails if we can settle on a date 02:36 mtj im trying to work out how to use a 'Template:Globsquad' template to make a new GSBD page 02:36 mtj +1 9th nov 02:37 Irma + 9th nov 02:37 Irma +1 9th nov 02:37 oleonard Will magnus and cait still be conferencing Friday? Monday? 02:37 rangi cait will be make on friday 02:38 thd +1 12 Nov. 02:38 stefan-l +1 9th nov 02:38 jcamins What about GBSW? - Global Bug Squashing Weekend 02:38 jcamins We're approaching 3.10. 02:38 rangi true 02:38 jcamins Now is a good time to really focus on testing. 02:38 rangi yup 02:39 * oleonard can bug-squash at work but too many obligations at home 02:39 jcamins oleonard: right, that's why it's Friday-Monday. 02:39 jcamins *College* weekend. 02:39 oleonard I see 02:39 jcamins Not real person weekend. :P 02:39 cjh I feel 2 days is a bit short notice, hopefully we can get enough people 02:39 jcamins Right, so we also have 5 days notice for Monday. 02:40 jcamins We'll call it a sprint, or a storm, or whatever's cool in project management. 02:40 cjh heh 02:40 thd storm :) 02:40 jcamins #action jcamins will mark candidates for 3.10 that are in "Needs signoff" assuming he has power this week. 02:40 mtj i love the bugs squash weekend idea 02:40 rangi scrum storm sprint 02:41 cjh a bug squash weekend sounds cool. 02:41 rangi dont kick the ball 02:41 rangi pass it 02:41 oleonard Anyone object to GBSW? 02:41 rangi not me 02:41 BobB What about starting on Friday and letting it run until Monday? Is that the suggestion? 02:41 jcamins This will make it easier for people to prioritize for the bug squashers. 02:41 rangi thats the one BobB 02:41 jcamins BobB: exactly. :) 02:41 BobB cool 02:41 mtj koha bitzkrieg 02:42 wizzyrea O.o 02:42 jcamins So, let's vote? 02:42 mtj 'Shock and Awe!' 02:42 jcamins +1 02:42 rangi +1 02:42 oleonard +1 02:42 Irma +1 02:43 davidnind +1 02:43 mtj +1 02:43 cjh +1 02:43 thd +1 all weekend although I am otherwise committed 02:43 libsysguy +1 02:44 stefan-l +1 on friday 02:44 BobB +1 02:44 rangi #agreed Global bug squashing weekend starting november 9th 02:45 rangi ok, anything else before we move on to the date for the next meeting? 02:45 jcamins Not from me. 02:46 rangi ok 02:46 Irma RDA and getting Koha ready for it ... 02:46 rangi heh, thats more of a wiki page i think 02:46 BobB ..that's a big one! 02:46 rangi first they need to decide which rda :) 02:47 rangi but yeah, can we move that one to the list? 02:47 rangi and/or wiki? 02:47 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/RDA 02:47 thd The MARC framewarks are years out of date. Funding disappeared for that work. 02:47 jcamins Yeah, I'd say the wiki is the place for that discussion. 02:48 Irma Should we enter it as an agenda item for the next meetings though? 02:48 oleonard I'm not sure that would be productive before a list/wiki discussion has started 02:48 BobB Prolly need to get more momentum first, via the wiki. 02:49 rangi yeah 02:49 wizzyrea ^^ 02:49 Irma So that we can briefly discuss progress and necessary actions? 02:49 rangi then organise a meeting of ppl interested in it 02:49 oleonard speaking of which, we need to get the license upgrade conversation started again too 02:49 rangi not really a general topic i dont think 02:49 jcamins Yeah, wiki and/or list, then when there's an action, discuss it in a general meeting. 02:49 thd We should be trying to push it so that people can at least have full RDA records from copy cataloguing when those start becoming widely available. 02:49 wizzyrea I feel like I need to know what exactly needs to be done? "RDA support" is pretty nebulous for me 02:50 eythian the wiki page makes a few starting points 02:50 rangi yep, those are all opinions 02:50 rangi and ripe for putting on a wiki page :) 02:50 * rangi moves on 02:50 thd I am well informed about RDA and paid for some expensive classes. 02:50 rangi #topic date for next meeting 02:50 rangi (i warned you about letting me chair, i have an awards thingy to go to later) 02:51 rangi the next time is 18:00 UTC 02:51 wizzyrea +1 02:51 thd I like the pace :) 02:51 rangi so who has a date in mind? 02:51 thd early in the month please 02:51 BobB 5 Dec? 02:52 Irma 5/12? 02:52 wahanui 0.416666666666667 02:52 mtj 5 dec 02:52 davidnind 5 December - first Wednesday of the MOnth? 02:52 BobB that's the first Wednesday in Dec 02:52 rangi sounds good 02:52 cjh sounds good. 02:52 rangi lets vote 02:52 jcamins +1 02:52 mtj +1 02:52 cjh +1 02:52 oleonard +1 02:52 JDatTeTakere +1 02:52 thd +1 02:52 rangi +1 02:52 Irma +1 02:52 davidnind +1 02:52 nancyk +1 02:52 jwagner +1 02:52 kathryn +1 02:52 mtj obama wins! 02:53 wizzyrea we can hope ;) 02:53 rangi heh 02:53 Irma Great voting! If only US elections were this simple ;-) 02:53 rangi #agreed Next meeting is Decmber 5 18:00 UTC 02:53 mtj ok, see y'all next 5 dec 02:53 rangi December too 02:53 rangi decememememeber 02:54 rangi #endmeeting 02:54 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 7 02:53:43 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 02:54 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-11-07-02.00.html 02:54 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-11-07-02.00.txt 02:54 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-11-07-02.00.log.html 02:54 Irma rangi ++ 02:54 BobB Thanks rangi 02:54 oleonard And not again until then mtj? ;) 02:54 mtj thanks for chairing chris 02:54 cjh rangi++ 02:54 davidnind rangi++ 02:54 thd jcamins: Did you try shopping for food last week? 02:55 mtj oleonard, well… some of you before then 02:55 rangi who is gary johnson? 02:55 clintD rangi: good luck tonight, enjoy 02:55 jcamins thd: thankfully the first day I had to was Saturday. 02:55 rangi ahh libertarian 02:55 jcamins It took four stores to find milk and cream. 02:55 jcamins And potatoes. 02:56 oleonard rangi: He gets the stoner vote with Ron Paul out of the running. 02:56 jcamins lol 02:56 wizzyrea i'm glad you got supplies before the storm hit 02:56 wizzyrea thd what has it been like for you? 02:57 thd jcamins: Apparently provisions were often better in the blackout zone if you could find some place open by torchlight. 02:58 thd wizzyrea: It was very, very cold in a building with no insulation, no cooking facilities, and no hot water. 02:59 jcamins We're far enough out that we had power, so the stores were mostly open, they just didn't have anything left. 03:00 thd wizzyrea: There is a modest corner market a couple of blocks from me which never closes for any cause whatever which was open by torchlight selling out their basement. 03:00 cjh hahahh awesome 03:01 thd wizzyrea: I was able to find some vegetables locally by torchlight which were sold out at supermarkets. 03:01 jcamins Okay, I have marked all "Needs signoff" bugs that will be held for 3.12 as such. 03:02 wizzyrea oy! 03:03 thd wizzyrea: I walked 90 blocks last Wednesday collecting food for a couple of people who were not mobile enough to procure their own. 03:03 bag thd++ 03:03 wizzyrea thd++ 03:04 rangi thd++ 03:04 thd wizzyrea: Walking was many times faster than taking the bus in the giant traffic jam resulting from insufficient subway service. 03:04 wizzyrea yea, I hear transit is a nightmare 03:06 thd Services have been restored much faster than I had been expecting, although, going to Brooklyn or Staten Island is still a major problem. 03:08 wizzyrea *nod* that's what I've been hearing. I also heard that the jersey shore was obliterated 03:08 thd Do not ever discard your land line with the telephone services independent power source. 03:09 eythian been meaning to buy a cheap one of those for those situations 03:09 thd The New Jersey shore was where Sandy landed, however, despite the damage, Sandy was merely a cyclone by the time it landed in New Jersey. 03:10 jcamins Southern Long Island is a mess. 03:10 jcamins One of my clients lives out there. 03:10 jcamins In the last building in Long Beach. 03:10 thd People in the US northeast have no idea what an actual proper hurricane would be like. 03:10 jcamins The building is still standing, but he's moved into the city for the foreseeable future. 03:11 thd The minimum sustained wind speed for a hurricane is double what Sandy had when it landed. 03:11 jcamins thd: the damage wasn't from the wind... it was from the water. 03:12 thd jcamins: However, the convection forces which brought the water are related to wind. 03:12 thd Sandy produced very little rain in the US. 03:13 wizzyrea well and from what I read - it wasn't the fact that sandy was a hurricane, it was that it was a hurricane colliding with a nor'easter 03:13 thd Irene, last year, had much more rain. 03:13 jcamins I was told it was the hurricane + high tide. 03:14 thd jcamins, wizzyrea: Exactly, the combination of storm convection, and high tidal forces. 03:15 thd jcamins: The New York Times reported last year about the only hurricane recorded to every hit very near New York City. 03:15 rangi CNN calls the Shire with Baggins getting 54%, but is projecting an easy win in Mordor for Sauron. Isengard is still up for grabs. 03:16 oleonard That Sauron, all he cared about was the 1%. 03:16 jcamins oleonard: well, he had only one ring to rule them all. 03:16 wizzyrea lol. 03:16 wizzyrea loooool 03:16 jcamins You try ruling 99% with one ring! 03:16 thd I think it was 1938 that Long Island was washed over by tide and waves with a direct hurricane hit. 03:17 wizzyrea i read an article the other day, talking about the jersey shor 03:17 wizzyrea that the man made seawalls were eroding the beach that actually protects the land 03:17 jcamins The family of my best friend growing up has a house in Barnegat Light. 03:18 jcamins One of only three beaches on LBI that wasn't substantially washed away, apparently. 03:18 thd wizzyrea: Count on us foolish humans to much up any natural protection. 03:19 jcamins I guess a lot of residents have been trying to prevent the government from rebuilding the natural dunes, or something like that. 03:19 jcamins (on LBI, not in Barnegat Light) 03:19 thd However, if you build your house on the sand, then you should expect what you get. you 03:20 oleonard See you in 10 hours #koha 03:20 rangi cya oleonard 03:20 thd jcamins: Do you know anyone who lives in Hoboken, New Jersey? 03:21 jcamins thd: yeah, my cousins. 03:21 jcamins They've been staying with other family. 03:21 thd jcamins: I met someone last night from Hoboken who said that the national guard had removed her. 03:22 jcamins As far as I know they still haven't been able to go back to Hoboken. 03:24 thd jcamins: This young woman was odly buying pictures to hang on her wall as if the world was about to end. 03:24 jcamins Why would you buy pictures to hang on your wall if the world was about to end? 03:25 jcamins Wouldn't you buy chocolate? 03:25 thd jcamins: If you thought that you had only one last look at the world some people would buy pictures other people would buy chocolate. 03:25 * jcamins would buy chocolate. 03:26 * thd would read a book if there was any light. 03:26 jcamins And sweetened condensed milk, sugar, and matches. 03:26 jcamins If the world is going to end, I'd like it to end with the prospect of pomegranate fudge in the afterlife. 03:27 * jcamins heads to bed. 03:27 eythian http://youtu.be/dX_1B0w7Hzc 03:27 thd jcamins: Good night. 03:30 * thd hunts some food by plentiful electric light with the knowledge of how very easy it is now. 03:32 rangi :) 03:49 eythian can someone who has a tarball install handy tell me what directory the 'history.txt' file ends up in? 03:50 rangi hmm dont have one handy sorry 03:59 Oak kia ora #koha 04:00 Oak missed the meeting :( 06:09 mtj eythian, about? 06:09 mtj is it common to do a dist-upgrade on a koha-common package, anyone? 06:55 Oak guten morgen cait 06:55 Oak hwo is marcus? 06:57 cait hello Oak 06:57 cait doing well, growing and drooling 07:11 alex_a_ bonjour 07:31 reiveune hello 07:59 lds hello 08:05 gaetan_B hello 08:05 wahanui que tal, gaetan_B 08:40 * cait waves 08:43 drojf hi cait 08:46 cait hi drojf 08:47 cait the first Norwegian Koha day is about to start soon :) 08:52 drojf \o/ 08:53 drojf will you be speaking in norwegian? :P 08:55 cait um... no, 08:55 cait magnuse will talk enough norwegian for the two of us :) 10:24 cait mveron++ 10:27 * cait waves :) 10:27 cait @wunder Oslo, Norway 10:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Harestua, Harestua, Norway is -4.1°C (11:25 AM CET on November 07, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). 10:27 cait @quote random 10:27 magnuse hiya #koha 10:28 huginn cait: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009) 10:28 magnuse anyone want to wave to 20 norwegian librarians learning about koha? 10:56 cait lds: no biblibre today? 10:56 cait quite quiet in here :) 10:57 lds cait: hello 10:58 * drojf missed the norwegians 10:58 drojf :( 11:04 clrh cait: we are here, don't worry ;) 11:05 StarseekR some of us got lured in, and are still here *waves* 11:12 * jcamins waves to the 20 Norwegian librarians. 11:15 * drojf waves to all lured in norwegians :) 11:15 * StarseekR waves back 11:15 drojf StarseekR: how is the workshop so far? 11:15 StarseekR interesting:) 11:16 drojf is it your first contact with koha? 11:16 jcamins My cat Myshkin extends his greetings as well. 11:17 StarseekR yep. have heard a lot about it, but never gotting around to looking into it on my own :D 11:21 drojf StarseekR: is it information about koha or do you also get hands-on training today? 11:46 cait hands on training will be later I think 11:46 cait now was lunch :) yum! 11:46 cait jcamins: you still around? 11:47 jcamins cait: yes. 11:47 jcamins I learned interesting things from your presentation. :) 11:48 jcamins I didn't realize that the National Library of Venezuela had updated. 11:52 jcamins Myshkin didn't realize how few cats had Koha catalogs. 11:52 jcamins He's insulted. 11:52 drojf after all i read about the us presidential election i wonder when some world police-y country will invade the usa to bring democracy 11:54 jcamins drojf: I expect it will be a long time. After all, it's usually the US doing the invading. 11:54 drojf it's wise to allow cannabis so people don't complain ;) 12:01 koyauni hi guys, when I search Z39.5 to update an existing record, it will find the record, but the TITLE is empty, and when imported, the record is updated, and when listed there is no title, I have tried with many records, and the results is the same. 12:01 jcamins What source are you using? 12:01 koyauni has anyone came cross something like this 12:01 jcamins I have not. 12:02 koyauni British Libray and LOC 12:02 koyauni this is new, it did not use to be link this 12:02 jcamins What did you change? 12:03 koyauni look at this 12:03 koyauni http://library.koyauniversity.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=634 12:03 koyauni now the info is completed so I use Z39 to search and find the record and then import the data, 12:05 jcamins Okay, but what changed? 12:06 koyauni but now the data in Z39 does not shows the title 12:06 jcamins You said that. 12:06 koyauni I tried with many book and all comes with no title 12:06 jcamins Yes, I know. 12:06 jcamins What did you change? 12:06 jcamins Something must have changed. 12:07 koyauni so let me import fo this book and see what happens 12:07 jcamins If it just magically stopped working, the only thing you can do is wait for it to magically start working again. 12:07 koyauni I do not know what 12:07 koyauni :) 12:07 jcamins In that case I can't help you, sorry. 12:07 koyauni I see tag 245 has information but doe snot show 12:09 cait did you change the marcflavour setting? 12:09 cait (I hope not) 12:09 koyauni well this seams to happen only at admin side 12:10 drojf xslt something 12:10 koyauni since I updated the record via z39 now http://library.koyauniversity.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=634 12:10 koyauni and only in admin the title is not shown! 12:11 koyauni what is marcflavour setting please 12:11 jcamins It is a system preference. 12:12 jcamins It sounds like what has happened is that you changed your MARC framework and broke it. 12:12 koyauni yes in Interpret and store MARC records in the which reads MRC21 12:12 koyauni MARC21 12:25 koyauni fixed now, XSLTDetailsDisplay set to default and works now 12:28 drojf my pleasure, you're welcome 12:32 drojf the answer to jcamins' question was "it stopped working after i changed my xslt file" btw. could have been quite easy 12:32 jcamins drojf: no, I'm pretty sure the answer to my question was "it stopped working after I erased a bunch of fields in the framework editor." 12:33 drojf jcamins: but how would changing the xslt repair that? 12:34 jcamins drojf: it didn't. 12:34 jcamins It's a workaround. 12:34 drojf how does that work? 12:34 jcamins The XSLT files do not use the frameworks. 12:34 drojf ah 12:34 drojf i see 12:35 drojf well, we will find out sooner or later 13:16 oleonard Hi #koha 13:26 drojf hi oleonard 14:33 druthb o/ 14:43 cait hi druthb :) 14:43 druthb hi, cait. :) 14:44 oleonard How's your Norwegian shaping up cait? 14:44 cait I think I got thank you by now 14:44 cait but that's about it 14:45 cait from here it looks like magnuse is doing a great job and the location is very nice 14:56 oleonard Wow, want to make circulation.pl time out? Submit a barcode along with a long string of random numbers instead of a date under "specify due date" 14:58 libsysguy oleonard stop poking circulation…its a sad little function that only works under optimal conditions 14:58 cait meh. 14:58 oleonard Anyway, I'm making the field read only for Bug 8972 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Due Date set to 100 years ago. 14:58 * cait just discovered lots ofmissing sample data in the german web installer 14:58 cait some of it kinda mandatory :( 15:00 jcamins Oh, what do people think about turning off BiblioAddsAuthorities by default? 15:00 jcamins We get an awful lot of questions from people who can't figure out how to edit authority-controlled fields. 15:00 cait I am not sure about it really 15:02 oleonard Based on my library's workflow I would say yes, turn it off. But that doesn't mean we're doing it the "right" way. 15:12 jcamins I wonder if rangi has a backup of the jenkins database from 3.2. 15:15 cait hm 15:15 cait this is puzzling. 15:17 chris_n jcamins: +1 15:19 chris_n oleonard: I suspected as much with the current dt_from_string code 15:20 chris_n it does not have a "what you passed in does not validate" sort of catch 15:21 chris_n and so is probably subject to long, thoughtful musings over un-date-like strings passed in 15:25 jcamins oleonard++ 15:28 oleonard What do I have to do to get circulation to pop up that weird error dialog with the date field in it? 15:29 cait rangi++ 15:30 cait for always helping out newbies some of which some might be norwegian :) 15:30 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @oleonard: "Because one day of bug-squashing isn't enough: Koha Global Bug-Squashing Weekend: http://t.co/snXzWAba #kohails" 15:30 cait oleonard: hm, maybe try a due date in the past? or do you mean something else? 15:30 cait oleonard++ too - awesome idea a bug squashing weekend :) 15:32 druthb hi, gmcharlt! 15:32 gmcharlt druthb: howdy! 15:33 * cait packs up 15:33 cait bye all :) 15:33 jcamins Would someone who was around during the Koha 3.0 release cycle give me a little hint about how to access the web installer? 15:33 jcamins It seems it's not automatic? 15:34 * oleonard squints through his inch-thick glasses and holds the horn up to his ear 15:34 oleonard Eh, sonny? 15:34 jcamins Nor directly... 15:34 jcamins I guess there's an error in the httpd.conf that it generated. 15:34 * oleonard has no idea, blames the senility 15:35 jcamins I'll try 3.0.6. 15:36 jcamins And then just keep going up until it works or I identify an actual problem. 15:37 jcamins Or I get bored. 15:37 jcamins I could always get bored. 15:38 oleonard cait++ # it was a date due in the past 15:45 jcamins Right... 15:45 jcamins I'm bored. 15:46 jcamins If anyone feels like installing old versions of Koha with all the sample data and then taking a dump of the database and sending it to me, I will use those databases to write a test for updating Koha. 15:48 jcamins Unfortunately Apache seems not to like the httpd.conf that Koha is generating. 15:50 jcamins I guess I could actually create a database by running all the .sql files I can find. 15:54 oleonard jcamins must be looking for stuff to do now that he can't comment on political blogs all day long 15:55 oleonard Oh no I submitted a patch. Should've saved it for Friday! 15:57 jcamins oleonard: if I were looking for stuff to do, I'd figure this out myself. :P 16:00 jcamins Right, loading the SQL files doesn't work. 16:01 jcamins Oh well. Testing upgrades would've been a good idea. 16:05 * chris_n digs in his basket of archives for a moment to see if there is an ancient 3.x backup there 16:08 chris_n jcamins: I have a db from 3.0002012 16:09 chris_n if you are interested; I'll need you to sanitize it or dispose of it when done 16:09 jcamins I can sanitize it. 16:10 chris_n its 500MB, how do you want it sent along? 16:10 jcamins Hm. Do you use Dropbox? 16:10 chris_n not at present 16:10 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Global Bug Squashing Weekend http://t.co/5zQCeqJ5" 16:10 * jcamins will add a user in his owncloud. One moment. 16:18 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Global Bug Squashing Weekend http://t.co/I92MXHZp #kohails" 16:19 reiveune bye 16:24 oleonard nengard around? 16:24 nengard yes 16:24 oleonard I'm trying to reproduce Bug 9022 16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9022 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , clicking two word tags says 'no tags' 16:25 oleonard Where are you when you click the tag? /tags/review.pl? 16:25 nengard yes 16:26 oleonard Chrome on Mac? 16:26 nengard firefox ? 16:26 wahanui hmmm... firefox is koha's preferred browser 16:26 nengard getting more info 16:26 oleonard Works for me in master in Firefox, Chrome, IE9 16:27 oleonard I suspect it just needs a "url" filter on the template tag but I can't test if I can't reproduce. 16:27 nengard video coming 16:27 nengard it's not consistent 16:28 nengard http://screencast.com/t/1WmMR0RaAp 16:30 oleonard Have you confirmed that the tag links work in the OPAC? 16:32 nengard nope 16:33 nengard not sure how to do that since the tags in question are rejected or pending 16:33 nengard and so not visible to everyone 16:34 oleonard Does it affect the outcome if they are rejected or pending as opposed to approved? 16:38 nengard i don't know ? kinda doing catch up here and didn't test thoroughly, just wnated to jot it down before I forgot - i can troubleshoot more in 2 weeks :( I'm away the rest of this week and all but one day next week 16:38 nengard :( 16:38 oleonard Okay. 16:39 nengard maybe it's just that those titles were deleted ?. i didn't think about that 16:39 nengard might be worth checking on 16:44 oleonard I'm guessing that's what it is. 16:45 oleonard Is this the wrong URL or did something break? http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 16:46 jcamins oleonard: I'm not sure. I meant to ask rangi but forgot. 16:54 ras0ir anyone knows why koha use pootle for translation? 16:54 jcamins ras0ir: it enables many people to work on translations simultaneously. 16:54 ras0ir but there are better alternatives such as transifex 16:55 jcamins Possibly other reasons, too. I don't know. 16:55 jcamins I suspect there probably weren't many other options in 2002. 16:56 oleonard Transifex is a paid service. 16:56 jcamins Also, where would the money come from to pay for something like that? 16:56 jcamins And how could we be confident it wouldn't just disappear? 16:56 ras0ir transifex is free for open source projects 16:57 oleonard ...but is not itself open source. 16:57 ras0ir transifex is open source as well 16:57 oleonard Where do you see that ras0ir? 16:58 jcamins oleonard: https://github.com/transifex/transifex 16:58 jcamins If someone wanted to propose switching to transifex for 3.14, they could certainly do so. 17:01 jcamins That would make a good platform for a Translation Manager. 17:01 ras0ir absolutely 17:02 jcamins I don't see any prospect of changing the translation system during 3.12, but if you wanted to ask on the koha-translate list you certainly could. There may be other reasons we're using Pootle too. 17:04 jcamins (note: I am not the one who makes decisions about the translation system, I just don't foresee it happening) 17:05 ras0ir ok i'll ask on the koha-translate list 18:06 khall hey all, does anyone here want to enable sms alerts without paying for an sms gateway? If so, this is the patch for you: bug 9021 18:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add SMS via email as an alternative to SMS services via SMS::Send drivers 18:13 * magnuse waves from OSL 18:19 magnuse @later tell cait: the sushi wasn't any good anywat ;-) 18:19 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 19:03 * magnuse drops a pin and is deafened by the sound 19:03 rangi hi magnus 19:07 rangi magnuse even 19:07 rangi and morning all 19:09 magnuse kia ora rangi! 19:10 bag heya rangi and magnuse 19:11 magnuse hiya bag 19:13 rangi fixed the bug_status.pl 19:13 oleonard Thanks rangi 19:14 oleonard http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 19:14 oleonard Ouch. 120. 19:14 rangi yep 19:14 oleonard We have to halve that just to get it to where we were at the last GBSD 19:14 rangi yep 19:19 magnuse did someone propose a bug squashing weekend? 19:20 jcamins magnuse: yes. 19:20 magnuse yay 19:20 oleonard At the meeting yesterday magnuse 19:20 magnuse ah, i have not seen the log or even the minutes yet... 19:21 rangi im not sure anyone has put up the minutes yet, ill try to do that today 19:22 magnuse i'll add the links now 19:25 magnuse doe 19:25 magnuse and done, even 19:29 rangi thanks 19:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Managing Tags in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/uQBTE921 #kohails" 19:34 chris_n so do we have a script which allows me to build a package from my git repo? 19:35 magnuse chris_n: have you seen debian/build-git-snapshot or something like that? 19:36 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way 19:36 chris_n cool 19:36 * magnuse wanders off to catch a plane 19:37 rangi transifex would be interesting to me, if i saw it running on someones server 19:37 jcamins Only 2569 files left to download before the TeXLive installation can start. 19:37 * chris_n is looking for the best way to handle local development which needs to be applied in production without waiting for it to be pushed in a release 19:38 rangi or if it had an INSTALL file 19:38 jcamins chris_n: local branch that tracks upstream. 19:38 jcamins Then build packages, test, and install in production. 19:38 chris_n that's sort of what I was thinking 19:38 rangi yep 19:38 jcamins That's how I do it. 19:38 rangi we do that daily 19:38 chris_n most development can wait, but some is being screamed for :) 19:38 * jcamins does it monthly. 19:39 jcamins Well, unless there's something important. 19:39 jcamins In which case I do it more often. 19:39 jcamins Naturally. 19:39 rangi (for staging servers) 19:39 rangi but yeah building packages is pretty simple once you ahve your environment up 19:40 * chris_n is thinking this eliminates the horrors of merge conflicts and fiends 19:40 chris_n opps, friends 19:41 jcamins Well, there can still be conflicts. 19:41 rangi yep 19:41 rangi but they are easier to handle 19:41 rangi and if it is a local branch, i wouldnt do merges 19:41 rangi but rebase 19:42 rangi heres how i do a branch that is 3.6.x based but with some customisations 19:42 jcamins Really? 19:42 rangi yes 19:42 rangi lemme show you 19:42 jcamins I was doing rebase at first, but ran into problems. 19:42 rangi git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.08.05 19:42 rangi actually 19:42 rangi git rebase -i v3.06.04 --onto v3.06.05 19:43 chris_n whew 19:43 rangi 3.6.5 then my changes 19:43 jcamins rangi: does that help you avoid fixing the same merge conflicts every time? 19:43 rangi yep 19:43 jcamins That's why I switched to merge. 19:43 rangi the -i 19:44 rangi if you fix the commits 19:44 rangi then they dont conflict again 19:44 rangi you can also take the opportunity to squash some 19:44 rangi with -i 19:44 rangi but the real advantage is it ends up like this 19:45 jcamins Ooh. Hot cocoa. 19:45 jcamins This is a good idea. 19:45 rangi http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/hauraki-packaging 19:45 jcamins Interesting. 19:45 wahanui interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:45 rangi all the local changes, all at the top 19:45 rangi easy to see 19:45 rangi and to try to get rid of 19:46 jcamins When I did just "git rebase kc/3.6.x," I ended up with a horrible mess by the second time. 19:46 rangi each rebase that list gets shorter 19:46 rangi --onto is key 19:47 jcamins I'll have to do that for 3.8.x when I switch. 19:48 * chris_n looks 19:48 rangi http://blog.thebehrens.net/2011/02/25/rebase-onto-considered-useful/ 19:49 chris_n very nice 19:49 chris_n keeping them at the top and eliminating local commits asap are my two primary concerns 19:49 rangi yep 19:49 rangi it works great for that 19:49 chris_n that hopefully makes upgrading as pain-free as possible 19:49 rangi hmm so did i miss something 19:50 rangi or has purchase suggestions never sent email? 19:50 jcamins No idea. 19:50 francharb hi all 19:50 jcamins It didn't ring any bells with me. 19:50 bag I've gotten emails that say purchase suggestion accepted 19:50 oleonard Hi francharb 19:50 bag is that what you are talking about 19:50 francharb hi oleonard 19:50 * chris_n has no idea 19:51 francharb how is it going 19:51 francharb ? 19:51 chris_n hi francharb 19:51 francharb hi chris_n 19:51 rangi hmm yeah that bit does, but when someone makes one on the opac it doesnt email the library eh? 19:51 jcamins Hi francharb. 19:51 francharb 0/ jcamins 19:51 bag let me check rangi 19:51 chris_n rangi: I don't think so 19:52 chris_n we get suggestions from our patrons, but I don't recall receiving them via email 19:53 bag rangi no… I only have the responses 19:53 rangi yeah 19:53 rangi ill reply to elaine 20:03 oleonard [off] Just got a "sales" call from idreambooks 20:03 oleonard [off] They really want us to add their ratings to our Koha 20:04 chris_n tnx rangi && jcamins 20:04 rangi [off] wow ... spam in email and phone ... i can't see that getting them far 20:05 francharb anyone knows how the HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn syspref is related to the return policy that can be defined within the smart rules page? 20:05 jcamins [off] Even though I wrote it, I don't think that's going to be getting in at this rate. 20:06 bag [off] oleonard I've gotten a few too 20:06 jcamins [off] I'm really regretting being nice when they asked if I could help. 20:06 rangi francharb: hmm not sure sorry 20:07 oleonard [off] I think it's a potentially useful site for our patrons but the hard sell really puts me off 20:08 rangi [off] misread the market i think, i dont think approach is going to work at all well 20:09 rangi francharb: my guess is the smartrules one is designed to replace the syspref, but im not sure 20:09 jcamins [off] Exactly. It seemed useful, but I see my role as RM as having a fiduciary responsibility to the Koha community, and this is not in the best interest of the Koha community. 20:11 francharb rangi, that's what I think too (maxreserves syspref works that way. it's the default value if there are no smart rules for the holds...) 20:11 francharb rangi, I have the same question for the connection between the notice setting a patron can do with the enhancedmessagingpreferences on, and the item circulation alerts page, any chance you would know anything about it? ;) 20:12 rangi hmm ive never actually used the item circulation alerts stuff, just the messaging stuff 20:15 rangi this one eh? /cgi-bin/koha/admin/item_circulation_alerts.pl ? 20:15 francharb yep! 20:15 rangi i suspect there is no relation and if that code works, you would just get both happening in parallel 20:15 francharb :) 20:15 rangi but i don't have any libraries using the circulation alerts .. at least not afaik 20:15 rangi :) 20:16 francharb thank you! 20:17 rangi patrons do love the enhanced messaging though 20:17 chris_n ahh... its alive 20:17 * chris_n restores his dev repo 20:17 rangi the trick is making them know they can 20:17 francharb rangi, that's right! 20:18 rangi quite a few parents at hlt have set up check-in emails for their childrens accounts 20:18 francharb :) 20:18 rangi that way, when they tell the kid, 'return that book on your way to school' 20:18 rangi they get an email if the kid did :) 20:19 jcamins rangi: smart! 20:19 jcamins It's snowing outside. 20:20 jcamins A lot. 20:20 rangi ohhh 20:20 chris_n very smart 20:20 rangi i hope ppl have power back and stuff 20:20 rangi no power and heating and snow would be crap 20:20 jcamins rangi: I think steam is still out in parts of Manhattan. 20:22 jcamins And 79k people in NY are without power. 20:22 francharb my father used to say "trust does not exclude control" 20:22 francharb he wasn't the only one apparently 20:22 francharb ;) 20:24 * jcamins would be one of the parents doing that, now that it's been suggested. 20:24 rangi yikes jcamins 20:24 rangi hehe 20:24 francharb jcamins, really? I always thougt a little bit confusing the trust/control thing... 20:25 chris_n at least until we have a module which bills the kid's fines to the kid's mutual fund or some such :-) 20:25 jcamins francharb: it'd be one less thing to worry about. If I didn't get an e-mail, I'd know I had to plan an extra trip to the library. 20:26 rangi jcamins: exactly 20:28 francharb :) 20:28 jcamins Good news, though- my parents got power back this morning before the snow started. 20:29 francharb \0/ 20:29 rangi yay!! 20:29 rangi hmm did thd have power back ? he did didnt he? 20:29 jcamins Doubly good because they have well water. 20:30 jcamins Yeah, though I think he said there were still some buildings without steam in his neighborhood. 20:31 jcamins Oh yes. Mine is a Russian cat. He's been staring out the window at the snow purring ecstaticly. 20:32 francharb It's hard to figure out how manhattan is without power... 20:32 * chris 's cat demands that you sit there and let it rub you 20:32 jcamins francharb: several of the electrical substations exploded, I think. 20:32 jcamins Thankfully not the one next to my server. 20:33 francharb :) 20:33 * rangi remembers to rsvp for the pizza thursday talk in time 20:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Managing Tags in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/ly6MzPWn" 20:44 mtj morning #koha, and congrats team-usa 20:45 francharb morning mtj 20:45 francharb :) 20:46 mtj heya fcharb 20:49 mtj rangi++, thanx for sorting bugzilla's bug_counts.pl script 20:49 rangi no worries 20:49 rangi i should commit all those scripts to my repo sometime 20:50 jcamins What do they do? 20:50 jcamins (I gather there are a bunch) 20:51 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/dashboard.pl 20:51 mtj http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_counts.pl 20:52 chris there's nothing like a power outage in the midst of a package install to screw things up 20:52 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 20:52 rangi the dashboard is some json, of the last 10 signoffs 20:53 mtj ^^ i've been using chris' script to graph bug stats for each branch -> http://munin.kohaaloha.com/kohaaloha.com/xen3.kohaaloha.com/koha_bz_head.html 20:53 jcamins Ah, that's what feeds dashboard.k-c.org. 20:53 rangi yep 20:53 rangi well not anymore, but it could :) 20:53 jcamins It's not? 20:53 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/progress.pl 20:54 jcamins Where are the signoffs coming from then? 20:54 rangi naw the dashboard does that query itself 20:54 oleonard chris you lost your n ? 20:54 chris arghh! 20:54 oleonard Much better. 20:55 chris_n whew! 20:55 rangi the progress one is just a nice what changed each day 20:55 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/patch_status.pl 20:55 rangi this one feeds this 20:56 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/its_a_bugs_life.html 20:56 rangi put in any bug number and click draw graph 20:56 mtj heh, thats awesome 20:57 rangi 5579 is a good one to look at 20:57 rangi cos it changed stat lots 20:57 * oleonard wants those horizontal grid lines to line up with the Y axis labels 20:58 rangi its using jplot 20:58 rangi if you tell me how, ill fix it :) 20:58 oleonard I just lost a fight with datatables.js, I don't think I'm up for it :( 21:00 rangi they were all just little things i did to learn stuff, none of them are particularly useful 21:10 Manderson So I've got Koha running on Redhat...is there a good way to stress test it? 21:11 jcamins Manderson: before you do anything, TAKE A COMPLETE BACKUP OF THAT SYSTEM!!!!! 21:11 jcamins And print out the shell history. 21:11 Manderson It's on a VM 21:11 jcamins Good. Take a snapshot. 21:11 rangi ahh take a snapshot and save it :) 21:11 rangi you wouldnt want to have to do it all again :) 21:11 drojf and upload it to the wiki :D 21:11 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7920380/Piwik-among-winners-at-open-source-awards 21:11 jcamins You're the first person to report Koha working on Red Hat in... 21:12 jcamins I guess I've been hanging around #koha for three years now. 21:12 rangi i learnt about this last night http://www.sofastatistics.com/home.php 21:12 Manderson Jeez...really? This didn't seem like that difficult of a task :P 21:13 jcamins Manderson: good... wanna make an rpm of Koha now? :) 21:13 jcamins Or at least a how-to guide? 21:13 rangi ooh that would be excellent! 21:13 drojf what version of koha are you running? 21:13 jcamins Manderson: but, back to your original question, if you're able to search for books and check them in and out, everything else is just window dressing. 21:13 Manderson 3.08.06 21:14 jcamins Manderson++ 21:14 oleonard "window dressing?!" 21:14 cjh awesome, koha on red hat! 21:14 cjh Manderson++ 21:14 jcamins oleonard: well, isn't it? 21:14 Manderson Don't give me ++'s yet...I need to get it tested out... 21:14 jcamins Also, if those three functions work, we know how to troubleshoot basically everything else. 21:15 ras0ir i'm running koha on arch linux :P 21:15 oleonard Okay, I guess in the context of getting it running on a new distro 21:15 jcamins ras0ir: a couple of people have been successful with that. Red Hat is particularly unfriendly. 21:15 cjh ras0ir: did you use the package on the aur? 21:15 ras0ir cjh: yes 21:16 jcamins I think several people have gone insane trying to install Koha under Red Hat. 21:16 rangi cjh: did you package that? 21:16 Manderson All I did to get it running on Redhat was to compile Yaz and Zebra from source, link all their binaries and libraries into /usr/bin and /usr/lib respectively. 21:16 rangi i think more have trouble with centos/fedora than redhat itself 21:16 jcamins Manderson: and it just worked? Just like that. 21:16 jcamins *? 21:16 jcamins What version of Red Hat? 21:17 Manderson Pretty much 21:17 ras0ir jcamins: i think it's because of lack of perl packages and zebra stuff 21:17 Manderson RH Enterprise Linux Server 6 21:17 Manderson Perl packages were a bitch 21:17 cjh rangi: no I didnt package it, it was yhager. 21:17 Manderson Had to CPAN most of them and resolve dependencies manually 21:17 rangi ahh right 21:17 * oleonard waves goodbye for the evening 21:17 rangi Manderson: yep, thats where most ppl give up 21:18 rangi they are all .deb packaged, theres no reason there couldnt be .rpm of them all too 21:18 rangi it just needs someone to want to enough to do it :) 21:18 cjh is there a list of all the koha deps? 21:18 rangi yep 21:18 Manderson rangi: to get many of them working, I had to download the header files, which requires enabling the "optional" yum repo to get them 21:18 jcamins Hm... I think this snow could be called "driving." 21:18 rangi cjh: you can go 21:19 rangi ./koha_perl_deps.pl -a 21:19 rangi in a git checkout 21:19 cjh awesome 21:19 Manderson rangi: thank god for that perl script 21:19 rangi its very handy eh 21:19 Manderson yessir 21:20 rangi back in the day 21:20 rangi someone did rpm for a bunch of them 21:20 cjh that is an awesome script 21:20 rangi http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2003-June/026137.html 21:20 rangi sometime my memory scares me 21:20 rangi i can remember stuff like that 21:20 rangi but not where i put my glasses 10 mins ago 21:21 cjh heh 21:21 ras0ir lol 21:21 jcamins lol 21:21 mtj Manderson, congrats on your tenacity :) 21:21 Manderson Oh...also...SELinux got in the way some. 21:21 Manderson Thanks mtj 21:22 jcamins Manderson: oh, darn. I should've told you there's a patch for the SELinux problems. 21:22 jcamins I'd forgotten that was on Red Hat. 21:22 jcamins It needs someone to test it. 21:22 Manderson No worries...at this point, I am not concerned about it being enforced, so I just disabled it for the time being. 21:23 jcamins Unfortunately, I don't have a system with SELinux so I can't test it. 21:35 Manderson Is there a scrip that launches zebra in daemon mode? 21:36 jcamins Manderson: it doesn't work under Red Hat. 21:36 jcamins It requires the "daemon" program, which apparently isn't used in Red Hat and its derivatives. 21:37 Manderson Ahh 21:37 Manderson Gotcha 21:39 ras0ir could someone paste init scripts for koha, i'd like to create systemd units 21:40 jcamins ras0ir: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/bin;h=88f8c17deb154cdfe6f5a0407c8deca0780a8556;hb=HEAD 21:40 ras0ir thanks 21:40 jcamins Manderson: actually, looks like someone tested the script and it got in. 21:41 jcamins set-selinux-labels.sh 21:41 jcamins ras0ir: koha-zebra-ctl is the key one. 21:41 ras0ir what's sip used for? rfid? 21:42 Manderson jcamins: thanks, I'll take a look 21:42 jcamins Selfcheck machines, ebook systems, etc. 21:44 Manderson jcamins: Zebra itself has a daemon option... -D 21:44 Manderson starts up and throws itself into the background 21:44 jcamins Manderson: I think the reason we don't use it is that it is hard to stop the daemon. 21:44 jcamins I'm not sure, though. 21:45 Manderson Gotcha 21:45 Manderson Thanks 22:01 eythian yeah the 'daemon' tool wraps even self-backgrounding things in handy ways to make them easier to manage 22:01 francharb time to sleep 22:01 francharb see ya 22:16 jcamins Interesting: http://cartographer.visualmotive.com/ 22:19 * rangi waves from the bus 22:21 rangi Bag: have you tried Sierra nevada tumbler? 22:22 bag no I have not 22:22 bag oh what I have!!! 22:22 bag it's good 22:22 bag I was thinking - tumblr like a webpage 22:22 bag heh 22:22 rangi I tried it last night it is good 22:23 bag not the true nectar! 22:23 rangi I also tried Bling ipa 22:23 rangi Which was ok 22:24 bag I had arrogant bastard ale lastnight - cause all them in the elections are like that ALE 22:25 rangi Hehe 22:28 eythian rangi: did you get the white house beer last night? 22:28 rangi I didn't 22:28 rangi We ended up at the Malthouse 22:28 eythian ah right 22:29 bag I have a friend that was working on the obama campaign and got some of the obama collection white house ale last night 22:29 rangi Cos hashigo zake was too full 22:30 eythian bag: they brewed a batch of it here for yesterday 22:30 bag nice 22:30 eythian rangi: ah right, I didn't go in, but I did see that it didn't appear to last long 22:33 rangi I think it would be one of their more profitable wednesdays 22:36 rangi Righto my stop bbiab 22:43 jcamins Can you use patron 0 as an anonymous patron? 22:45 cjh heh "kick koha's tires and see if you can break something!" 22:45 cjh oleonard++ 22:47 rangi jcamins: no 22:47 rangi thats the kohaadmin user 22:47 jcamins That's what I thought. 22:47 rangi it will go badly 22:47 jcamins Yeah, logic told me that if you do that any data you try to connect to the anonymous user will go spectacularly missing. 22:47 rangi *nod* 22:50 rangi did you want to answer? 22:52 jcamins I did. 22:52 rangi sweet 23:06 jcamins Wow. 23:07 jcamins So it sounds like this snowstorm really is pretty serious. 23:07 rangi thats not good 23:07 jcamins There is a car stuck outside, it sounds like. 23:10 jcamins Considering it started snowing about 3 hours ago, that promises downed wires if it really snows for the next 13 hours. 23:47 gaetan_B bye 23:48 mtj ive got a koha package upgrade Q... 23:48 jcamins Yes? 23:49 mtj after a 'apt-get upgrade koha-common' is run successfully - does the upgradedatabase.pl script get run too, automatically? 23:49 jcamins Yes. 23:50 mtj or, does the upgradedatabase.pl get triggered , when the superuser logs into the staff client next? 23:50 jcamins No. 23:50 jcamins It's run automatically. 23:50 mtj gotcha :) 23:50 jcamins Note that this means that if you created an instance and never ran the web installer you'll get a screen full of warnings. 23:50 mtj cool, thats is indeed whats just happened here (just wanted to confim) :) 23:51 mtj yeah, i can see that - you cant upgrade a system that was never installed to start with 23:51 mtj s/system/db/ 23:53 mtj s/installed/created/ :)