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23:51 rangi :)
23:51 rangi if you really want 12 you can put 0012
23:51 jcamins Agreed.
23:51 rangi is probably the only fix
23:50 rangi yeah 2 digit years are just wrong, make it be 4
23:50 jcamins Not 2112.
23:50 rangi ah right
23:50 jcamins Not 1912.
23:50 jcamins Not 2012.
23:50 jcamins It means 12.
23:50 jcamins That's silly.
23:50 rangi assume it means 2012
23:50 rangi and what do we do
23:50 jcamins 12.
23:50 jcamins No.
23:50 rangi 2212
23:50 rangi 2112
23:49 jcamins "But codexes weren't even invented when this book was due!"
23:49 rangi ?
23:49 * jcamins votes we accept those as valid dates.
23:48 rangi we cant know what 12 they mean
23:48 JesseM right that makes sense
23:48 rangi or refuse to accept 2 digit dates as input
23:48 rangi make them use the calendar popup
23:48 rangi i think the only thing to do is either stop them typing in the date
23:47 rangi but then people use the datepicker vs typing in the date most times
23:47 rangi nope
23:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Due Date set to 100 years ago.
23:47 JesseM has anyone come across the same issues as in bug 8972?
23:35 lds rangi: the lists working fine, its good ;-)
23:35 rangi ahh long long day for you
23:35 lds rangi: yep
23:35 rangi was it another server that went bad?
23:35 lds rangi: i'm not lucky this night
23:34 rangi i can see archives and lots of mail
23:34 rangi the lists one looks to have been working fine
23:34 rangi ah :(
23:34 lds rangi: bad mail serveur migration
23:34 rangi just saw your test message
23:34 rangi hi lds you are up late
23:33 wahanui hi, lds
23:33 lds rangi: hello
23:28 cjh heh
23:28 huginn bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
23:28 bag yup bag-- ;)
23:28 bag oh maybe I am secretly rubbing it in ;)
23:27 bag will try again in the future :)
23:27 rangi hehe :)
23:27 bag ok sorry for being 3 months early :)
23:27 rangi december is ok .. some years
23:27 rangi jan/feb are the warmest months
23:26 bag I thought you'd be getting close by now
23:26 rangi spring
23:26 bag isn't it summer there?
23:24 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on November 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
23:24 rangi @wunder nzwn
23:24 rangi lots colder than that
23:23 bag hmmm whatcha you got?
23:22 huginn bag: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Santa Barbra CA US, Santa Barbara, California is 21.1°C (2:45 PM PST on November 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
23:22 bag @wunder 93109
23:22 bag rangi @wunder 93109
23:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9001 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , zebraqueue_daemon is deprecated and must go
23:07 jenkins_koha tomascohen: Bug 9001: Remove Zebraqueue_daemon
23:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #933: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/933/
22:39 mib_uxn2ew Obviously I have a firewall running. I have disabled the Apache ServerSignature and set ServerToken to Prod.
22:39 eythian the packages run Koha with reduced privileges which helps a bit.
22:38 mib_uxn2ew I've never does much with Mod Security either. I'm just looking for ways to make sure the server is secure.
22:37 eythian I don't think I've even tried that
22:35 mib_uxn2ew Does Koha work well with Mod Security?
22:33 mib_uxn2ew Any suggestions for securing the install?
22:33 mib_uxn2ew I guess the next step is to work on securing Apache. I'm running the installation on a 1GB of RAM VPS. Since it's going to available to the public internet.
22:29 mib_uxn2ew Installer is complete now I'm in the backend.
22:27 mib_uxn2ew IOkay.
22:26 eythian then marc21
22:26 mib_uxn2ew U.S.
22:26 eythian and what cataloguing standards you want
22:26 eythian it depends where you are
22:26 mib_uxn2ew I'm at "Select your MARC flavor". Should I choose Marc21 or Unimarc? I'm guessing Marc21 is the best option?
22:24 eythian that's a good sign really :)
22:24 mib_uxn2ew I was able to login, now I'm running the installer.
22:22 mib_uxn2ew "Welcome to the Koha web installer"
22:22 mib_uxn2ew I think I can test it now.
22:21 mib_uxn2ew That worked!
22:21 rangi put it in ports.conf
22:20 mib_uxn2ew Listen can not occur within the virtual host section...
22:19 mib_uxn2ew I think all I have to add is Listen 8443 to the virtual host.
22:17 jcamins And you'll need to add a Listen directive for port 8443.
22:17 jcamins Yes, you have to _stop_ Apache, then start it up.
22:17 mib_uxn2ew Now to setup my installation I should browse to https://hostname:8443?
22:17 mib_uxn2ew Looks like Apache is running.
22:16 mib_uxn2ew Yes, I did forget. But I just enabled SSL.
22:16 jcamins That also trips up a lot of people.
22:16 jcamins Then you have to stop and start Apache.
22:16 jcamins That step trips up a lot of people.
22:16 jcamins Don't forget to enable SSL.
22:15 jcamins That looks like it might be right.
22:15 mib_uxn2ew Okay I think this is what it should be: http://mibpaste.com/UPE49U .
22:09 mib_uxn2ew Okay.
22:08 jcamins Then, yes, just adjust that for HTTPS, after backing it up.
22:08 mib_uxn2ew Yup.
22:08 jcamins So the server name is there.
22:08 jcamins Oh, okay.
22:08 mib_uxn2ew I did that to hide the actual server name
22:07 jcamins What's with the ServerName SERVERNAME?
22:07 jcamins Except...
22:07 jcamins Exactly.
22:06 mib_uxn2ew Should I copy http://mibpaste.com/1zEjCN and change the ports and add SSL directives?
22:05 mib_uxn2ew Okay my instance has been created.
22:00 mib_uxn2ew Looks like the installation of packages went well.
21:58 mib_uxn2ew Okay great. I'll start following the steps.
21:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #933 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:58 jcamins That's the best guide.
21:57 mib_uxn2ew I'm using the guide located at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze . Is this a good guide to follow?
21:56 jcamins In that case either will work fine.
21:55 mib_uxn2ew Since it's a small installation just for me and few other's I'm not really worried.
21:54 rangi https:// is gonna expect 443
21:54 rangi because different ports will confuse ppl
21:54 jcamins rangi: which?
21:54 rangi id do that
21:54 jcamins Or a wildcard certificate with different subdomains.
21:54 mib_uxn2ew One for OPAC SSL and the other for back-end SSL.
21:53 mib_uxn2ew The OPAC and the back-end are both configured to use the same host name. I think all I have to do is get one certificate and use 2 different ports?
21:53 jcamins Koha doesn't do anything special for SSL.
21:53 rangi you just do that, as you would for any virtual host in apache
21:53 jcamins mib_uxn2ew: it's just a matter of setting up Apache to use SSL.
21:53 rangi yep
21:52 mib_uxn2ew I would like to configure the back-end an the OPAC to use SSL.
21:52 mib_uxn2ew I'm working to install Koha on my machine.
21:52 mib_uxn2ew Hello
21:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9001: Remove Zebraqueue_daemon <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=44c3657cfc7768c4c1597c04a4daef3a53b427c6>
21:46 mtj tres fast!
21:42 cjh debian++
21:42 cjh oh wow, that is awesome
21:39 rangi ooh cool
21:39 eythian http://codesearch.debian.net/ <-- This is cool. Supports regex too.
21:39 rangi http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1211/S00034/us-elections-voters-on-both-sides-threaten-to-move-to-nz.htm
21:38 rangi hehe
21:38 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server
21:38 mtj dpavlin@koha-dev:~$ yaz-client -c /etc/koha/zebradb/ccl.properties localhost:9999/biblios
21:38 rickx not know how to show it works
21:37 mtj yep, and?
21:36 rickx I did this http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/systemfaq.html#publicztarget
21:36 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-May/029029.html
21:36 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-December/021751.html
21:34 mtj rickx -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server
21:34 eythian jcamins: so I solved that AACR1/2 issue by giving them the options to a) leave as is, or b) fix according to what you said. They picked a) :)
21:33 mtj thanks for the info rambutan
21:33 jcamins rickx: what problem are you having?
21:33 jcamins Woohoo! 9001 passed QA!
21:33 eythian hello #koha
21:30 rickx Good afternoon someone can help me with Making Z39.50 Target Public
21:28 rambutan here's a pretty good chart: http://www.270towin.com/closing.php
21:27 rambutan mtj: I don't think there will be any firm data on the US elections coming in until about the time the koha chat meeting starts. Some of the eastern states will start reporting about then.
21:23 jcamins It is called fishsoup and contains our patches rebased against the upstream repo.
21:23 jcamins I pushed a new branch to git.k-c.org/git-bz.
21:16 mtj yep, gotcha
21:15 rangi that way ppl actually get the credit in the release notes etc
21:14 jcamins We'll do signoffs for 3.12.
21:14 jcamins I'm adding Passed-QA-by during the 3.10 cycle.
21:14 mtj yep, i got it now :)
21:14 rangi then we know ppl actually applied the patch at the very least
21:13 jcamins No.
21:13 rangi id like making signed off a requirement
21:13 mtj ok, im playing catch-up here… i though jared was suggesting making 'passed-qa' lines a requirement
21:13 rangi but its better than having nothing at all
21:13 rangi we dont really want passed-qa-by
21:12 rangi the other is just text
21:12 rangi even
21:12 rangi git
21:12 rangi that means something to get
21:12 rangi its better to use Signed-Off
21:12 rangi cos ppl are lazy and didnt sign off
21:12 rangi those are only there
21:12 mtj jcamins, sorry - i meant 'Passed-QA-by:' lines , not 'Signed-off-by:' lines
21:11 rangi not yet
21:10 jcamins Second-to-last commit.
21:09 mtj any stats yet on the US votes, on teh webz?
21:08 mtj (i did look for it :/ )
21:08 mtj hmm, i cant see that feature in the repo
21:08 rangi i think you are allowed to do that in ohio
21:08 rangi too late
21:08 rangi go vote 4001012 times
21:08 rangi cya oleonard
21:08 oleonard See you in a few hours #koha
21:07 jcamins See README
21:07 jcamins mtj: I added one.
21:05 mtj that could be handy?
21:05 mtj jcamins, what about a new '--signoff-qa' arg for git-bz ?
21:02 mtj oleonard, git-bz attach -e HEAD~1, would push the last 2 commits
21:01 jcamins You're probably thinking of origin/master..HEAD, which I never use because it never seems to work.
21:01 jcamins HEAD is just the HEAD commit.
21:00 jcamins You have to identify the commit you want to attach.
21:00 oleonard Okay
21:00 jcamins No.
21:00 oleonard Won't that attach patches for both commits, rather than just the latest one?
21:00 mtj yeah, or HEAD~9 for the last 10, etc...
20:59 jcamins git-bz attach -e HEAD
20:59 oleonard If you want to send a patch using git-bz on a branch which has 2 commits, but you just want the last one, do you say "git bz attach -e 1234 [previous commit id]" ?
20:54 jcamins I added a README to git-bz while I was at it.
20:50 jcamins mtj: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=git-bz.git;a=summary
20:48 rangi also there is a meeting on irc at 3pm today if you would like to participate you are more than welcome
20:47 rangi jransom: JD, the first thing I would suggest you do, is get a real IRC client, mibbit will get really annoying really fast :)
20:47 jcamins Okay, pushed git-bz.
20:46 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-3.10.x/
20:45 rangi can you add a link to
20:45 rangi while you are here :)
20:42 magnuse yay! we get there in the end... :-)
20:41 jcamins Now it's working _and_ called what we both expect.
20:41 jcamins :)
20:41 gmcharlt git-bz
20:41 jcamins Okay, now it's git-bz.
20:41 gmcharlt CAN"T TYPE
20:41 jcamins Oh.
20:41 gmcharlt er, git-ba
20:41 jcamins Thanks.
20:41 gmcharlt jcamins: I've changed it to koha-bz
20:41 jcamins Yeah, now it works.
20:40 cjh magnuse++
20:40 * jcamins can't read.
20:40 jcamins Oh, that's fine.
20:40 gmcharlt jcamins: bah, I had called it koha-bz
20:38 gmcharlt jcamins: read/write
20:38 jcamins I just realized maybe the access denied message was coming from the remote and not my server.
20:37 jcamins gmcharlt: actually, did you give me read access or just write access on git-bz?
20:37 magnuse ooh, lucky JD!
20:36 jransom Going down to Wgtn to work with @ranganui and @wizzyrea next week
20:36 jransom JD is up for anything :)
20:35 jcamins gmcharlt: what should the remote look like for git-bz?
20:35 jransom waving back
20:35 rambutan JD working w/ DSpace or Kete perhaps?
20:35 * cait waves
20:35 magnuse yay :-)
20:35 jransom Fantastic Magnus!!
20:34 jcamins Hooray!
20:34 jransom Prefer to be called JD
20:34 * magnuse is presenting koha to 20 norwegian librarians tomorrow, at the first ever "get to know koha" day in norway :-)
20:34 jransom Thanks everyone, JD
20:34 jransom Heya Owen
20:34 jransom (she has expereince with Symphony / Kotui - can't wait to get her hands on Koha :)
20:34 rangi hiya Joann number 2
20:34 * mtj waves to joann
20:33 magnuse hiya and welcome to the community Joann Dillon!
20:33 mtj hi jransom, and thanks gmcharlt
20:33 oleonard Hi Joann
20:32 jransom Joann Dillon: JD
20:32 jransom I'm just showing our new Digital Services Lead the Koha community tools
20:31 jransom Heya Magnus :)
20:31 magnuse kia ora jransom!
20:31 jcamins I'll push git-bz.
20:31 jransom Morning all
20:31 magnuse gmcharlt++
20:31 jcamins Thanks!
20:30 gmcharlt koha-bz = jcamins, rangi, gmcharlt, mtj
20:30 rangi thanks
20:30 gmcharlt koha-archive = jcamins, rangi, gmcharlt
20:30 gmcharlt OK, done
20:29 gmcharlt repos created, now adding user access
20:27 mtj haaay galen :)
20:26 chris_n oleonard: yeah, but we all know one can drink more cookies than one can chew
20:26 rangi mtj maybe for git-bz too?
20:26 rangi and maybe the archive
20:26 rangi can you put mine in git-bz too please
20:25 jcamins gmcharlt: mine for koha-archive, and... mine for git-bz too, I guess.
20:25 rangi he can do it :)
20:25 rangi oh cool gmcharlt is here
20:25 gmcharlt jcamins: what keys would be accessing them?
20:25 rangi i can do both of those
20:25 jcamins gmcharlt: do you think you could create two new repos on git.k-c.org? git-bz for the Koha git-bz client, and a koha-archive for old topic branches?
20:24 rambutan chris_n:; need to add a bit of sugar-free Almond milk
20:24 mtj cool… under ./contribs, or a new top-level repo?
20:22 oleonard chris_n: That's why we have chewing
20:22 jcamins mtj: that sounds like a good idea.
20:22 mtj hey jcamins , shall we wack your git-bz up on gitweb.kc.org ?
20:22 chris_n the kids wanted me to run some chocolate chip cookies through the juicer hoping to create a drinkable cookie :)
20:21 jcamins Yeah, that's why the brownies won in my esteem.
20:21 * chris_n thinks on it
20:21 chris_n chocolate + blueberries + carrots....
20:20 jcamins chris_n: I would've been more impressed had chocolate been involved...
20:19 chris_n jcamins: with butter and honey the muffins were a strong rival to the brownies
20:16 magnuse lol
20:13 * oleonard should just go back to finger-painting with CSS
20:12 jcamins And put the DBIC stuff in Koha::.
20:12 magnuse use dbic and avoid writing sql :-)
20:06 * oleonard grumbles
20:06 jcamins If it's adding new functionality, yes, there will be yelling.
20:06 jcamins If so, go ahead.
20:06 jcamins Are you just editing an existing query?
20:06 jcamins oleonard: depends.
20:06 oleonard If I edited a script that included SQL and added more SQL would I get yelled at for not putting it in pm?
19:36 magnuse ooh
19:36 huginn magnuse: Not yet - wait 16 days
19:36 magnuse @arewethereyet
19:34 huginn rambutan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
19:34 rambutan @meeting
19:27 rangi *nod*
19:27 * magnuse really really hopes not to miss out on this one too
19:25 rangi sooner we know dates the more likely it is people can attend
19:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Don't miss today's #kohails community meeting on IRC. Get your local time: http://t.co/fyIV6TRq The agenda is here: http://t.co/tyQX89G5"
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19:21 rangi yep
19:19 magnuse yeah, i think we should kind of not be forgetting about it
19:19 rangi any updates/news
19:19 magnuse and i'd like to hear about it :-)
19:18 rangi and propose an action point that we mail to find out
19:18 magnuse hm, i might have put it there because it was on the last agenda
19:18 rangi i will
19:18 rangi i think if no one talks about it
19:17 oleonard magnuse, do you know?
19:16 rangi but id love to hear about it
19:16 rangi not sure
19:16 * jcamins does not.
19:16 oleonard Anyone know if Kohacon13 is on the agenda because someone is planning to talk about it?
19:16 rangi 7
19:16 rangi you are right
19:16 rangi oh no
19:16 rangi ish
19:16 rangi i have 8 hours
19:15 jcamins I guess that's thanks to the end of DST.
19:15 rangi all the nzers can come, its the best time for me
19:15 jcamins 7 hours isn't too late for me to attend, though.
19:15 magnuse how can there not be? :-)
19:15 oleonard Because every so often we have to have a meeting at a time when no one can come :P
19:15 rangi 02:00 utc
19:14 huginn jcamins: I suck
19:14 jcamins @time utc
19:14 jcamins Wait, how can there be a meeting in 7 hours?
19:11 rangi thanks oleonard
19:11 rangi back
19:10 kathryn and all!
19:10 kathryn hiya cait :)
19:10 cait hi kathryn :)
19:09 oleonard Shoot, another meeting with no announcement on the list. I'll send one if no one else is doing it
19:08 cait sleep++
19:07 magnuse not that i will be attending or anything
19:07 cait seems so
19:07 cait oh right
19:06 magnuse meeting in ~7 hours?
19:05 magnuse sounds a bit weird though
19:05 magnuse hehe
19:05 cait which is... nice in a strange way I guess :)
19:05 cait the floor in my bathroom is almost too hot to walk on
19:04 cait :)
19:04 magnuse cait: good! :-)
19:03 cait hows things? :)
19:03 cait hi magnuse
19:01 * magnuse waves
19:00 rangi Bbiab
18:59 cait awesome :)
18:56 rangi That's what you want govt to do with IT :)
18:56 rangi More functionality for lots less money
18:52 rangi And they built a union catalogue
18:52 cait oh cool
18:52 rangi Treasury, State services commission and department of prime minister and cabinet
18:52 rangi Central agencies are 3 govt depts
18:51 rangi Open source in govt
18:51 rangi Well the Central agencies implementation of it
18:50 cait in which category?
18:50 cait nice!
18:50 rangi Koha too
18:50 cait had only seen totara and open source academy
18:50 cait rangi: oh Koha too?
18:49 tcohen :-D
18:48 jcamins Yeah.
18:48 jcamins lol
18:48 rangi Some election thing too eh?
18:47 jcamins :)
18:46 rangi Fingers crossed for the central agencies and Koha
18:46 rangi Nz open source awards tonight
18:42 wahanui it has been said that morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:42 jcamins Morning.
18:42 * cait waves
18:38 wahanui well, Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:38 rangi Morning
18:18 jcamins The muffins are also a good idea, but slightly less entrancing.
18:17 jcamins I like that idea.
18:17 jcamins Mint chocolate brownies?
18:13 chris_n fantastic
18:13 chris_n btw: I made some blueberry carrot juice the other day and then took the pulp and made wheat muffins out of it
18:13 * oleonard wants in on those!
18:13 chris_n as long as I have plenty of mint chocolate brownies I'll be fine
18:12 chris_n :-)
18:09 jcamins :P
18:09 jcamins chris_n: no, it just means you're going to suffer.
18:06 chris_n does that disqualify me? ;-)
18:06 chris_n jcamins: somewhere along the line I missed that rule
18:02 tcohen leaving, byeee
17:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc
17:54 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc
17:54 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc
17:54 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files
17:54 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Add UTF-8 encoding to intranet xslt files
17:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #9: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/9/
17:48 tcohen the DateTime object will be treated as a string in that format
17:48 tcohen cmp_ok + 'eq' + '2012-07-30T11:53:00' format should do it
17:47 tcohen ok, read the docs for cmp_ok :-D
17:40 jcamins Darn. Two exclamation marks too few.
17:40 jcamins !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:39 jcamins DON'T MODIFY CODE ON A PRODUCTION SERVER
17:39 jcamins There is a corollary here:
17:39 jcamins chris_n: yes, except for files in /etc if you have changed them.
17:39 chris_n jcamins: do package upgrades overwrite all existing files?
17:37 * libsysguy wants more defined use cases for Koha
17:37 chris_n so I'll concat it for now and add a FIXME referencing the library closing time thoughts
17:37 libsysguy but perhaps one that should be addressed as a usecase
17:37 libsysguy yeah I figured it was a special case
17:37 chris_n not too many patrons get caught in that one, though
17:37 chris_n we charge for reference books by the hour including hours we are closed
17:36 chris_n I would think that once the due date has a valid timestamp the overdue script takes care of the rest?
17:36 libsysguy if you have an hourly item that is overdue but you are closed…are you still charged?
17:36 chris_n yes, we could reference that
17:35 * libsysguy is still trying to figure out how to do overdues with that closure info
17:35 * chris_n too
17:35 jcamins libsysguy will be adding in library closing time information.
17:35 chris_n heh
17:35 jcamins chris_n: I'd prefer 11:59:00, and I think that's the best you can do if there's no hour specified.
17:34 chris_n jcamins: so the question re manual due date is do I: 1. make a quick and dirty fix by concating 11:39:00 to the end of $duedatespec in circulation.pl or 2. do something else which I know not atm
17:32 tcohen here too, i'm having troubles with using is() instead of cmp_ok() for DateTime comparisson
17:31 chris_n works fine here
17:31 chris_n 2012-11-07T23:39:00
17:31 chris_n tcohen: root@biblios:/usr/share/koha/lib/Koha# perl -MKoha::DateUtils -e 'print dt_from_string("11/07/2012 23:39:00")."\n"'
17:30 tcohen cmp_ok just provided a way to force and equallity operator
17:30 tcohen i thought cmp_ok and is where almost the same
17:27 jcamins I don't know of any time it shouldn't, but I'm sure there are times.
17:27 jcamins Usually.
17:27 tcohen when comparing references, cmp_ok should be used then?
17:26 jcamins It should use cmp_ok
17:26 jcamins No, a bug in our test.
17:26 tcohen u mean a bug in is()?
17:25 tcohen its a DateTime, so is a reference
17:25 libsysguy perhaps we should just be using InflateColumn for datetimes :)
17:25 jcamins In that case it's a reference, and bug.
17:24 tcohen damn jcamins, cmp_ok() works where is() doesn't
17:23 chris_n dt_from_string looks like it may not handle formats it does not know about well
17:21 tcohen # expected: '2012-07-30T11:53:00'
17:21 tcohen # got: '2012-07-30T11:53:00'
17:21 tcohen still getting this weird test fail
17:21 jcamins References have to be the same object.
17:21 jcamins Strings have to be identical.
17:21 jcamins tcohen: it depends.
17:21 chris_n so it must be a dt_from_string problem
17:20 chris_n 2012-11-07T23:39:00
17:20 chris_n cnighswonger@cnighswonger-dt:~$ perl -MDateTime::Format::DateParse -e 'print DateTime::Format::DateParse->parse_datetime("11/07/2012 23:39:00")."\n";'
17:20 chris_n tcohen:
17:20 tcohen jcamins, is it possible that is() expect an its parameters to be the same object?
17:19 tcohen dt_from_string('2012-07-30 11:53:00') does
17:18 tcohen i doesn't work
17:18 chris_n the underlying call to DateTime does
17:18 chris_n tcohen: trying that now
17:17 jcamins I thought that I was making enough saag for several meals.
17:17 gaetan_B bye
17:15 tcohen chris_n: does dt_from_string('11/07/2012 23:39:00') work?
17:14 tcohen i should stop smoking that stuff at work :-P
17:14 tcohen :S
17:14 jcamins Oh, in that case it's the time the author ran it? :P
17:13 tcohen the date is hardcoded in the Calendar.t file
17:13 chris_n so much for local
17:13 tcohen yes, and its 14:12 here :-D
17:13 jcamins It is the exact time you ran the script?
17:13 jcamins Never mind.
17:13 jcamins Except that it says 7/30.
17:12 jcamins_away tcohen: yes, that's exactly 7 days after when you ran the script.
17:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #9 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:12 chris_n actually passing in 11/07/2012 23:39:00 works fine
17:12 tcohen chris_n, do u know where that 11:53 comes from?
17:05 tcohen (supplying the needed parameters)
17:04 tcohen you'll need to use DateTime->new I guess
17:01 chris_n since a call is made to dt_from_string, being able to pass in a time value is necessary
17:01 tcohen i'm revisiting the tests for calendar, we tested using $dt->ymd hence didn't catch that
17:00 chris_n circulation.pl passes in only a date, no time for manually set due dates; as a result the time is set to 00:00 rather than 11:39
16:59 tcohen thanks chris_n
16:59 chris_n tcohen: I am looking that very thing
16:58 gmcharlt bag: thanks!
16:57 tcohen is there a way to use dt_from_string to return a date with a specific time?
16:57 bag nice facebook post gmcharlt - made me laugh
16:52 tcohen WTF!
16:52 tcohen # expected: '2012-07-30T11:53:00'
16:52 tcohen # got: '2012-07-30T11:53:00'
16:52 tcohen # at t/Calendar.t line 176.
16:52 tcohen # Failed test 'Add 7 days (Days)'
16:42 gmcharlt chris_n: howdy
16:41 wahanui i heard gmcharlt was an expert in all things library technology.
16:41 chris_n heya gmcharlt
16:41 * chris_n debugs over a southwestern salad
16:39 Oak night
16:35 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 05:56 AM, October 08, 2010)
16:35 gmcharlt @quote random
16:25 chris_n it should be "easy" to fix though
16:24 jcamins Seems like a kind of big bug, actually.
16:24 chris_n koha hacks must also be detectives
16:23 chris_n 2. Manually setting the due date results in a time of 0000; this is probably a small bug as it should be set to 11:59
16:23 jcamins Ah.
16:23 chris_n 1. The academy librarian was setting manual due dates for 11/1/12 because the library was closed on 10/31/12 due to a field trip; she failed to set the due date for some items which explains the difference in due date
16:22 chris_n it's in two parts
16:22 chris_n ok, I have the answer
16:17 * chris_n 's schedule is bug driven
16:17 chris_n I guess I'll just have to dig into the code and see what's going on
16:16 chris_n right
16:16 jcamins It should be 23:59 on the seventh day.
16:15 jcamins No, the question is why one is due 11/1/12 00:00.
16:15 chris_n ?
16:15 chris_n so the question is why was the other item (checked out on the same day just 5 min later) set to be due 10/31 23:59
16:15 jcamins Yes.
16:14 chris_n I suppose that 11/1 0000 is the same thing though
16:13 chris_n I would think 10/24 + 7 = 10/31
16:13 chris_n so an item checked out on 10/24 should be due on 10/31 or 11/1?
16:13 reiveune bye
16:11 chris_n must be something screwy in the calculation
16:11 chris_n fine charge interval is 1
16:11 chris_n loan period is 7
16:09 chris_n grace period is 0
16:08 chris_n unless the due date is calculated incorrectly
16:08 jcamins Which'd be weird.
16:08 jcamins Unless you give a half-day grace period.
16:08 jcamins I don't understand the significance of noon.
16:07 chris_n :)
16:07 chris_n so when half the class gets fined and half does not, it makes for a few complaints
16:07 chris_n this class goes very near noon
16:07 chris_n it just so happens that in the K-12 academy each class goes as a group to checkin/out books
16:06 chris_n phone
16:04 jcamins I see.
16:03 jcamins Grace period doesn't handle hours.
16:03 jcamins Ooh.
16:03 jcamins Which, I suppose, is the bug.
16:03 jcamins That's one minute later.
16:03 * chris_n apologizes for the messed up columns
16:02 chris_n but the due date calculation resulted in one book having 24 hours longer before being fined
16:02 chris_n these books where checked out within minutes of each other
16:02 chris_n hmm
16:01 chris_n FCA11030683 FCA No 10/24/2012 14:06 10/31/2012 23:59 11/01/2012 13:28
16:01 chris_n FCA10104809 FCA Yes, last on: 10/24/2012 00:00 10/24/2012 14:01 11/01/2012 00:00 11/01/2012 13:28
16:01 chris_n Barcode Checked out from Renewed Checkout on Due date Checkin on
16:01 chris_n take a look at these two lines:
16:00 jcamins :-O
16:00 chris_n imagine that: a bug in the fines logic
15:54 oleonard I do see what you mean about the checkout limit message
15:49 oleonard When I scan the barcode of something which cannot be renewed I get a message which includes a "return to account summary" button
15:48 oleonard What do you mean by that?
15:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8955 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Self checkout should degrade gracefully with JavaScript turned off
15:48 oleonard In your comment on Bug 8955 you say "The renewal and checkout limits do not have any 'back' buttons"
15:48 khall yo
15:48 oleonard khall around?
15:42 jcamins Alas, cait is leaving to join the Google Group instead of hanging out on #koha.
15:42 cait lol
15:29 jcamins lol
15:28 drojf did the new google group finally come into existence?
15:25 oleonard Quiet in here today.
15:00 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 7.6°C (3:53 PM CET on November 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
15:00 mveron @wunder basel
15:00 * magnuse waves from a hotel room in oslo
14:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9010 normal, P5 - low, ---, dubyk, Needs Signoff , Quote of the day: Umlauts do not display correctly
14:59 * mveron found out that Bug 9010 leads to data corruption in table 'quotes' (while editing quotes)
14:41 jcamins Well- I haven't tested recent versions of 3.8. But that was true in 3.8.0, certainly.
14:40 jcamins Anyone encountering it in 3.8 has their cronjobs set up wrong.
14:40 jcamins The "Cannot delete record [looks new]" message was fixed in 3.6.
14:39 jcamins It is a known bug that if you refuse to configure the incremental indexing cronjob correctly you'll end up with inconsistent indexes, though.
14:39 oleonard That's what I thought.
14:39 jcamins No.
14:38 oleonard It is true that it is a known bug that deleted items appear in Koha after an incremental re-index? (see Koha list)
14:23 cait snowed on? :)
14:22 drojf you look norwegian :)
14:22 drojf hei cait
14:22 cait hey drojf :)
14:22 drojf true :D
14:14 jcamins You're just jealous because oleonard and I get all the personal messages. :P
14:14 oleonard I haven't posted to my blog in so long it wouldn't be bad to have a good question prompt a post
14:10 drojf he will send you a personal email anyway :P
14:10 drojf lol
14:09 * oleonard waves the manual and shouts "Rawr!"
14:07 drojf oh you. chasing away people with manuals
14:03 oleonard Changing the layout isn't very easy, but there are lots of other customization options
14:03 jcamins ^^ that's a good site for examples of how to customize the OPAC
14:03 mib_e4hd8b in opac
14:03 wahanui i guess oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha
14:03 jcamins oleonard's blog?
14:02 mib_e4hd8b i ask to how to change koha layout
14:02 drojf of what technical part?
14:01 oleonard That link has what you need mib_e4hd8b. If you still have questions after reading that, you can ask here or on the mailing list
14:01 mib_e4hd8b i need technical document
14:00 mib_e4hd8b iam it man work tohandle koha
14:00 jcamins ^^ the manual is the best source for Koha documentation
14:00 wahanui manual is, like, at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
14:00 jcamins manual?
14:00 mib_e4hd8b have any koha administration book
13:57 wahanui hola, mib_e4hd8b
13:57 mib_e4hd8b hi
13:53 libsysguy well, in that case http://myspace.roflposters.com/images/rofl/myspace/1221422916227.jpg.[roflposters.com].myspace.jpg
13:52 jcamins libsysguy: that's the link I shared with you...
13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc
13:51 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc
13:51 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc
13:51 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files
13:51 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Add UTF-8 encoding to intranet xslt files
13:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #932: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/932/
13:51 libsysguy I thought I was going to have to write this myself
13:51 libsysguy jcamins http://www.perl.com/pub/2004/06/04/recorder.html
13:27 drojf hi mveron and oleonard
13:21 oleonard Hi #koha
13:19 mveron Hi #koha
13:12 jcamins That's the one.
13:11 drojf jcamins: stocknumberam123.pl ? i'll have a look, thanks
13:10 libsysguy not at all
13:10 tcohen libsysguy, have you've been working on the calendar code?
13:09 tcohen hi #koha
13:08 jcamins You could base it on BibLibre's am123 barcode plugin.
13:07 jcamins You'll need a new plugin, I think.
13:07 drojf i'm not a cat though
13:06 drojf i would like breakfast too, and its afternoon here
13:06 drojf lol
13:06 jcamins The cat wants breakfast.
13:06 drojf why is it definitely morning?
13:06 drojf not sure if doing a GetMarcControlnumber on each biblio every time someone wants to catalogue a new biblio is nice performance-wise
13:04 jcamins It's definitely morning.
13:00 jcamins Yeah, you'll need to write a new one.
12:59 drojf i think we have year (4 digits) plus 5 digits to count or something like that.
12:58 jcamins Darn.
12:58 drojf good idea but not compatible to the format we're using
12:57 jcamins I suggest a plugin that sets the 001 to match the biblionumber.
12:56 drojf i thought i'd just take the field (that doesn't exist), check for the highest value and add 1
12:56 jcamins Ah.
12:55 drojf colleague would like to have a cataloguing plugin for 001 that automatically inserts the next number
12:54 jcamins What are you trying to do?
12:53 drojf d'oh
12:51 jcamins_away No.
12:46 drojf is the control number/ record identifier (MARC field 001) somewhere in sql (besides in the marc/marcxml somewhere)?
12:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #932 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff380600393dab48ca11d168d79e1c4d4545bad0> / Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c6da900f48833a57378d97a45250d0ecde350b4> / Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98c6639aa9d87092190d6
12:20 lds rangi:good night :-)
12:01 * drojf watches the tumbleweed
10:56 * rangi goes to bed
10:53 lds rangi: ok
10:39 rangi sshouldnt be
10:36 lds rangi: this is a problem if i crypt the http transactions ( redirect http -> https ) ?
10:33 lds rangi: ok for pipermail http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/
10:18 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
10:18 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/uJGDfqZ8xp4/companion-cube-ice-trays.html *giggle*
10:17 lds ok
10:08 lds rangi: yes
10:06 rangi you should see mine soon
10:04 rangi i did one from bugzilla and saw it, but no i have it set to not send me my own messages
10:02 lds rangi: and see it in your mailbox ?
10:02 lds rangi: can you post a message ???
09:56 rangi you can set in mailman if you want to recieve your own mail or not
09:54 lds rangi: strange that I am not receiving that email :D
09:53 rangi yep saw your win-32 test mail
09:53 lds rangi: ok the archive is missing i work to restore the access
09:51 rangi i saw my test bug one
09:51 rangi http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/
09:51 lds rangi: if yes have you see a post from laurentducos@gmail.com with test in subject ?
09:50 lds rangi: your in Koha-win32 ?
09:35 rangi just missing the archives?
09:34 rangi and mail seems to be fine
09:28 rangi cool
09:22 lds rangi: looks ok ,
09:21 * drojf walks off to the library
09:21 rangi looks ok?
09:16 rangi lists.koha-community.org. 300 IN A 88.190.23.136
09:16 rangi ;; ANSWER SECTION:
09:15 lds rangi: I control in 5/10 mn
09:14 rangi givet it 10 mins or so
09:14 rangi it will take a while to propogate
09:14 lds rangi: ping lists.koha-community.org always on 188.165.204.78
09:13 rangi what does dig lists.koha-community.org give you ?
09:11 rangi right switching now
09:05 lds I finished, we can test ?
09:05 lds rangi
08:57 rangi hey liw
08:57 * liw peeks in
08:53 drojf hi rangi
08:53 rangi hi drojf
08:50 drojf good morning #koha
08:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL â–¸ Top stories today via @kohails @NewWorldLibrary"
08:29 rangi and it will cutover faster
08:29 rangi and the ttl is low now, so i can do it again
08:29 rangi nothing bad happened :)
08:29 rangi :)
08:27 paul_p ( or :\ :\, as you want...)
08:27 paul_p seems lds should come to NZ to understand how TZ work between NZ & Europe :D :D
08:26 paul_p hi rangi
08:26 rangi hi paul_p
08:16 sophie_m hi rangi, hi #koha
08:16 matts hi !
08:16 rangi hi gaetan_B, matts and sophie_m
08:14 wahanui salut, gaetan_B
08:14 gaetan_B hello
07:56 lds rangi ok thanks
07:55 rangi hi julian_m
07:54 julian_m hi
07:53 rangi and you can tell me when you are ready
07:53 rangi so ill switch it back
07:53 rangi ahh ok, i cut it over, but i set the ttl low
07:52 lds rangi: i make the cutover this mornig, apology for the mistake
07:51 lds rangi: I'm sorry I made a confusion between 10 h french and your 10 h :-(
07:49 rangi lds: did you do the cutover?
07:45 reiveune :)
07:45 wizzyrea hi thar
07:45 rangi hi reiveune and wizzyrea
07:42 reiveune hello
07:38 alex_a hello rangi
07:38 rangi hi alex_a
07:30 alex_a bonjour tout le monde
05:52 * wizzyrea waves
04:47 cait-m ok, boarding time
04:43 cait-m still working?
04:43 cait-m you 2 stiü
04:42 cait-m brrrr
04:42 huginn cait-m: The current temperature in Holter, Holter, Norway is -4.5°C (5:41 AM CET on November 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
04:42 cait-m @wunder oslo, norway
04:40 cait-m and hi eythian ;-)
04:40 cait-m but meeting with magnuse in oslo today :-)
04:39 mtj me good over here :)
04:39 cait-m this week
04:39 cait-m yep
04:39 mtj cait-m, still on holidayz?
04:39 eythian also cait-m
04:39 eythian hi cait-m_
04:39 cait-m hows things?
04:39 cait-m hi mtj
04:39 mtj hey cait :)
04:36 cait-m hiya
04:35 mtj np, wasnt urgent
04:35 eythian mtj: he just left, presumably for the bus
04:33 mtj rangi, just emailed you...
04:29 mtj rangi, still about?
04:01 Oak kia ora #koha
01:41 jcamins What's convenient about a class with a name like that?
01:40 jcamins *Convenient*?
01:39 eythian http://static.springsource.org/spring/docs/2.5.x/api/org/springframework/aop/framework/AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean.html <-- ahh, java.
01:37 jcamins Thanks.
01:37 rangi git show --word-diff=color
01:32 rangi 2 secs
01:32 rangi yep i have it aliased
01:23 jcamins Remind me what it is?
01:23 jcamins rangi: you told me a command that will show me the parts of lines that were changed in git.