Time Nick Message 01:23 jcamins rangi: you told me a command that will show me the parts of lines that were changed in git. 01:23 jcamins Remind me what it is? 01:32 rangi yep i have it aliased 01:32 rangi 2 secs 01:37 rangi git show --word-diff=color 01:37 jcamins Thanks. 01:39 eythian http://static.springsource.org/spring/docs/2.5.x/api/org/springframework/aop/framework/AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean.html <-- ahh, java. 01:40 jcamins *Convenient*? 01:41 jcamins What's convenient about a class with a name like that? 04:01 Oak kia ora #koha 04:29 mtj rangi, still about? 04:33 mtj rangi, just emailed you... 04:35 eythian mtj: he just left, presumably for the bus 04:35 mtj np, wasnt urgent 04:36 cait-m hiya 04:39 mtj hey cait :) 04:39 cait-m hi mtj 04:39 cait-m hows things? 04:39 eythian hi cait-m_ 04:39 eythian also cait-m 04:39 mtj cait-m, still on holidayz? 04:39 cait-m yep 04:39 cait-m this week 04:39 mtj me good over here :) 04:40 cait-m but meeting with magnuse in oslo today :-) 04:40 cait-m and hi eythian ;-) 04:42 cait-m @wunder oslo, norway 04:42 huginn cait-m: The current temperature in Holter, Holter, Norway is -4.5°C (5:41 AM CET on November 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 04:42 cait-m brrrr 04:43 cait-m you 2 stiü 04:43 cait-m still working? 04:47 cait-m ok, boarding time 05:52 * wizzyrea waves 07:30 alex_a bonjour tout le monde 07:38 rangi hi alex_a 07:38 alex_a hello rangi 07:42 reiveune hello 07:45 rangi hi reiveune and wizzyrea 07:45 wizzyrea hi thar 07:45 reiveune :) 07:49 rangi lds: did you do the cutover? 07:51 lds rangi: I'm sorry I made a confusion between 10 h french and your 10 h :-( 07:52 lds rangi: i make the cutover this mornig, apology for the mistake 07:53 rangi ahh ok, i cut it over, but i set the ttl low 07:53 rangi so ill switch it back 07:53 rangi and you can tell me when you are ready 07:54 julian_m hi 07:55 rangi hi julian_m 07:56 lds rangi ok thanks 08:14 gaetan_B hello 08:14 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 08:16 rangi hi gaetan_B, matts and sophie_m 08:16 matts hi ! 08:16 sophie_m hi rangi, hi #koha 08:26 rangi hi paul_p 08:26 paul_p hi rangi 08:27 paul_p seems lds should come to NZ to understand how TZ work between NZ & Europe :D :D 08:27 paul_p ( or :\ :\, as you want...) 08:29 rangi :) 08:29 rangi nothing bad happened :) 08:29 rangi and the ttl is low now, so i can do it again 08:29 rangi and it will cutover faster 08:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL ▸ Top stories today via @kohails @NewWorldLibrary" 08:50 drojf good morning #koha 08:53 rangi hi drojf 08:53 drojf hi rangi 08:57 * liw peeks in 08:57 rangi hey liw 09:05 lds rangi 09:05 lds I finished, we can test ? 09:11 rangi right switching now 09:13 rangi what does dig lists.koha-community.org give you ? 09:14 lds rangi: ping lists.koha-community.org always on 188.165.204.78 09:14 rangi it will take a while to propogate 09:14 rangi givet it 10 mins or so 09:15 lds rangi: I control in 5/10 mn 09:16 rangi ;; ANSWER SECTION: 09:16 rangi lists.koha-community.org. 300 IN A 88.190.23.136 09:21 rangi looks ok? 09:21 * drojf walks off to the library 09:22 lds rangi: looks ok , 09:28 rangi cool 09:34 rangi and mail seems to be fine 09:35 rangi just missing the archives? 09:50 lds rangi: your in Koha-win32 ? 09:51 lds rangi: if yes have you see a post from laurentducos@gmail.com with test in subject ? 09:51 rangi http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/ 09:51 rangi i saw my test bug one 09:53 lds rangi: ok the archive is missing i work to restore the access 09:53 rangi yep saw your win-32 test mail 09:54 lds rangi: strange that I am not receiving that email :D 09:56 rangi you can set in mailman if you want to recieve your own mail or not 10:02 lds rangi: can you post a message ??? 10:02 lds rangi: and see it in your mailbox ? 10:04 rangi i did one from bugzilla and saw it, but no i have it set to not send me my own messages 10:06 rangi you should see mine soon 10:08 lds rangi: yes 10:17 lds ok 10:18 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/uJGDfqZ8xp4/companion-cube-ice-trays.html *giggle* 10:18 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 10:33 lds rangi: ok for pipermail http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/ 10:36 lds rangi: this is a problem if i crypt the http transactions ( redirect http -> https ) ? 10:39 rangi sshouldnt be 10:53 lds rangi: ok 10:56 * rangi goes to bed 12:01 * drojf watches the tumbleweed 12:20 lds rangi:good night :-) 12:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff380600393dab48ca11d168d79e1c4d4545bad0> / Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c6da900f48833a57378d97a45250d0ecde350b4> / Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98c6639aa9d87092190d6 12:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #932 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:46 drojf is the control number/ record identifier (MARC field 001) somewhere in sql (besides in the marc/marcxml somewhere)? 12:51 jcamins_away No. 12:53 drojf d'oh 12:54 jcamins What are you trying to do? 12:55 drojf colleague would like to have a cataloguing plugin for 001 that automatically inserts the next number 12:56 jcamins Ah. 12:56 drojf i thought i'd just take the field (that doesn't exist), check for the highest value and add 1 12:57 jcamins I suggest a plugin that sets the 001 to match the biblionumber. 12:58 drojf good idea but not compatible to the format we're using 12:58 jcamins Darn. 12:59 drojf i think we have year (4 digits) plus 5 digits to count or something like that. 13:00 jcamins Yeah, you'll need to write a new one. 13:04 jcamins It's definitely morning. 13:06 drojf not sure if doing a GetMarcControlnumber on each biblio every time someone wants to catalogue a new biblio is nice performance-wise 13:06 drojf why is it definitely morning? 13:06 jcamins The cat wants breakfast. 13:06 drojf lol 13:06 drojf i would like breakfast too, and its afternoon here 13:07 drojf i'm not a cat though 13:07 jcamins You'll need a new plugin, I think. 13:08 jcamins You could base it on BibLibre's am123 barcode plugin. 13:09 tcohen hi #koha 13:10 tcohen libsysguy, have you've been working on the calendar code? 13:10 libsysguy not at all 13:11 drojf jcamins: stocknumberam123.pl ? i'll have a look, thanks 13:12 jcamins That's the one. 13:19 mveron Hi #koha 13:21 oleonard Hi #koha 13:27 drojf hi mveron and oleonard 13:51 libsysguy jcamins http://www.perl.com/pub/2004/06/04/recorder.html 13:51 libsysguy I thought I was going to have to write this myself 13:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #932: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/932/ 13:51 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Add UTF-8 encoding to intranet xslt files 13:51 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files 13:51 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc 13:51 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc 13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc 13:52 jcamins libsysguy: that's the link I shared with you... 13:53 libsysguy well, in that case http://myspace.roflposters.com/images/rofl/myspace/1221422916227.jpg.[roflposters.com].myspace.jpg 13:57 mib_e4hd8b hi 13:57 wahanui hola, mib_e4hd8b 14:00 mib_e4hd8b have any koha administration book 14:00 jcamins manual? 14:00 wahanui manual is, like, at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 14:00 jcamins ^^ the manual is the best source for Koha documentation 14:00 mib_e4hd8b iam it man work tohandle koha 14:01 mib_e4hd8b i need technical document 14:01 oleonard That link has what you need mib_e4hd8b. If you still have questions after reading that, you can ask here or on the mailing list 14:02 drojf of what technical part? 14:02 mib_e4hd8b i ask to how to change koha layout 14:03 jcamins oleonard's blog? 14:03 wahanui i guess oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha 14:03 mib_e4hd8b in opac 14:03 jcamins ^^ that's a good site for examples of how to customize the OPAC 14:03 oleonard Changing the layout isn't very easy, but there are lots of other customization options 14:07 drojf oh you. chasing away people with manuals 14:09 * oleonard waves the manual and shouts "Rawr!" 14:10 drojf lol 14:10 drojf he will send you a personal email anyway :P 14:14 oleonard I haven't posted to my blog in so long it wouldn't be bad to have a good question prompt a post 14:14 jcamins You're just jealous because oleonard and I get all the personal messages. :P 14:22 drojf true :D 14:22 cait hey drojf :) 14:22 drojf hei cait 14:22 drojf you look norwegian :) 14:23 cait snowed on? :) 14:38 oleonard It is true that it is a known bug that deleted items appear in Koha after an incremental re-index? (see Koha list) 14:39 jcamins No. 14:39 oleonard That's what I thought. 14:39 jcamins It is a known bug that if you refuse to configure the incremental indexing cronjob correctly you'll end up with inconsistent indexes, though. 14:40 jcamins The "Cannot delete record [looks new]" message was fixed in 3.6. 14:40 jcamins Anyone encountering it in 3.8 has their cronjobs set up wrong. 14:41 jcamins Well- I haven't tested recent versions of 3.8. But that was true in 3.8.0, certainly. 14:59 * mveron found out that Bug 9010 leads to data corruption in table 'quotes' (while editing quotes) 14:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9010 normal, P5 - low, ---, dubyk, Needs Signoff , Quote of the day: Umlauts do not display correctly 15:00 * magnuse waves from a hotel room in oslo 15:00 mveron @wunder basel 15:00 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 7.6°C (3:53 PM CET on November 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 15:25 oleonard Quiet in here today. 15:28 drojf did the new google group finally come into existence? 15:29 jcamins lol 15:42 cait lol 15:42 jcamins Alas, cait is leaving to join the Google Group instead of hanging out on #koha. 15:48 oleonard khall around? 15:48 khall yo 15:48 oleonard In your comment on Bug 8955 you say "The renewal and checkout limits do not have any 'back' buttons" 15:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8955 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Self checkout should degrade gracefully with JavaScript turned off 15:48 oleonard What do you mean by that? 15:49 oleonard When I scan the barcode of something which cannot be renewed I get a message which includes a "return to account summary" button 15:54 oleonard I do see what you mean about the checkout limit message 16:00 chris_n imagine that: a bug in the fines logic 16:00 jcamins :-O 16:01 chris_n take a look at these two lines: 16:01 chris_n Barcode Checked out from Renewed Checkout on Due date Checkin on 16:01 chris_n FCA10104809 FCA Yes, last on: 10/24/2012 00:00 10/24/2012 14:01 11/01/2012 00:00 11/01/2012 13:28 16:01 chris_n FCA11030683 FCA No 10/24/2012 14:06 10/31/2012 23:59 11/01/2012 13:28 16:02 chris_n hmm 16:02 chris_n these books where checked out within minutes of each other 16:02 chris_n but the due date calculation resulted in one book having 24 hours longer before being fined 16:03 * chris_n apologizes for the messed up columns 16:03 jcamins That's one minute later. 16:03 jcamins Which, I suppose, is the bug. 16:03 jcamins Ooh. 16:03 jcamins Grace period doesn't handle hours. 16:04 jcamins I see. 16:06 chris_n phone 16:07 chris_n it just so happens that in the K-12 academy each class goes as a group to checkin/out books 16:07 chris_n this class goes very near noon 16:07 chris_n so when half the class gets fined and half does not, it makes for a few complaints 16:07 chris_n :) 16:08 jcamins I don't understand the significance of noon. 16:08 jcamins Unless you give a half-day grace period. 16:08 jcamins Which'd be weird. 16:08 chris_n unless the due date is calculated incorrectly 16:09 chris_n grace period is 0 16:11 chris_n loan period is 7 16:11 chris_n fine charge interval is 1 16:11 chris_n must be something screwy in the calculation 16:13 reiveune bye 16:13 chris_n so an item checked out on 10/24 should be due on 10/31 or 11/1? 16:13 chris_n I would think 10/24 + 7 = 10/31 16:14 chris_n I suppose that 11/1 0000 is the same thing though 16:15 jcamins Yes. 16:15 chris_n so the question is why was the other item (checked out on the same day just 5 min later) set to be due 10/31 23:59 16:15 chris_n ? 16:15 jcamins No, the question is why one is due 11/1/12 00:00. 16:16 jcamins It should be 23:59 on the seventh day. 16:16 chris_n right 16:17 chris_n I guess I'll just have to dig into the code and see what's going on 16:17 * chris_n 's schedule is bug driven 16:22 chris_n ok, I have the answer 16:22 chris_n it's in two parts 16:23 chris_n 1. The academy librarian was setting manual due dates for 11/1/12 because the library was closed on 10/31/12 due to a field trip; she failed to set the due date for some items which explains the difference in due date 16:23 jcamins Ah. 16:23 chris_n 2. Manually setting the due date results in a time of 0000; this is probably a small bug as it should be set to 11:59 16:24 chris_n koha hacks must also be detectives 16:24 jcamins Seems like a kind of big bug, actually. 16:25 chris_n it should be "easy" to fix though 16:35 gmcharlt @quote random 16:35 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 05:56 AM, October 08, 2010) 16:39 Oak night 16:41 * chris_n debugs over a southwestern salad 16:41 chris_n heya gmcharlt 16:41 wahanui i heard gmcharlt was an expert in all things library technology. 16:42 gmcharlt chris_n: howdy 16:52 tcohen # Failed test 'Add 7 days (Days)' 16:52 tcohen # at t/Calendar.t line 176. 16:52 tcohen # got: '2012-07-30T11:53:00' 16:52 tcohen # expected: '2012-07-30T11:53:00' 16:52 tcohen WTF! 16:57 bag nice facebook post gmcharlt - made me laugh 16:57 tcohen is there a way to use dt_from_string to return a date with a specific time? 16:58 gmcharlt bag: thanks! 16:59 chris_n tcohen: I am looking that very thing 16:59 tcohen thanks chris_n 17:00 chris_n circulation.pl passes in only a date, no time for manually set due dates; as a result the time is set to 00:00 rather than 11:39 17:01 tcohen i'm revisiting the tests for calendar, we tested using $dt->ymd hence didn't catch that 17:01 chris_n since a call is made to dt_from_string, being able to pass in a time value is necessary 17:04 tcohen you'll need to use DateTime->new I guess 17:05 tcohen (supplying the needed parameters) 17:12 tcohen chris_n, do u know where that 11:53 comes from? 17:12 chris_n actually passing in 11/07/2012 23:39:00 works fine 17:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #9 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:12 jcamins_away tcohen: yes, that's exactly 7 days after when you ran the script. 17:13 jcamins Except that it says 7/30. 17:13 jcamins Never mind. 17:13 jcamins It is the exact time you ran the script? 17:13 tcohen yes, and its 14:12 here :-D 17:13 chris_n so much for local 17:13 tcohen the date is hardcoded in the Calendar.t file 17:14 jcamins Oh, in that case it's the time the author ran it? :P 17:14 tcohen :S 17:14 tcohen i should stop smoking that stuff at work :-P 17:15 tcohen chris_n: does dt_from_string('11/07/2012 23:39:00') work? 17:17 gaetan_B bye 17:17 jcamins I thought that I was making enough saag for several meals. 17:18 chris_n tcohen: trying that now 17:18 chris_n the underlying call to DateTime does 17:18 tcohen i doesn't work 17:19 tcohen dt_from_string('2012-07-30 11:53:00') does 17:20 tcohen jcamins, is it possible that is() expect an its parameters to be the same object? 17:20 chris_n tcohen: 17:20 chris_n cnighswonger@cnighswonger-dt:~$ perl -MDateTime::Format::DateParse -e 'print DateTime::Format::DateParse->parse_datetime("11/07/2012 23:39:00")."\n";' 17:20 chris_n 2012-11-07T23:39:00 17:21 chris_n so it must be a dt_from_string problem 17:21 jcamins tcohen: it depends. 17:21 jcamins Strings have to be identical. 17:21 jcamins References have to be the same object. 17:21 tcohen still getting this weird test fail 17:21 tcohen # got: '2012-07-30T11:53:00' 17:21 tcohen # expected: '2012-07-30T11:53:00' 17:23 chris_n dt_from_string looks like it may not handle formats it does not know about well 17:24 tcohen damn jcamins, cmp_ok() works where is() doesn't 17:25 jcamins In that case it's a reference, and bug. 17:25 libsysguy perhaps we should just be using InflateColumn for datetimes :) 17:25 tcohen its a DateTime, so is a reference 17:26 tcohen u mean a bug in is()? 17:26 jcamins No, a bug in our test. 17:26 jcamins It should use cmp_ok 17:27 tcohen when comparing references, cmp_ok should be used then? 17:27 jcamins Usually. 17:27 jcamins I don't know of any time it shouldn't, but I'm sure there are times. 17:30 tcohen i thought cmp_ok and is where almost the same 17:30 tcohen cmp_ok just provided a way to force and equallity operator 17:31 chris_n tcohen: root@biblios:/usr/share/koha/lib/Koha# perl -MKoha::DateUtils -e 'print dt_from_string("11/07/2012 23:39:00")."\n"' 17:31 chris_n 2012-11-07T23:39:00 17:31 chris_n works fine here 17:32 tcohen here too, i'm having troubles with using is() instead of cmp_ok() for DateTime comparisson 17:34 chris_n jcamins: so the question re manual due date is do I: 1. make a quick and dirty fix by concating 11:39:00 to the end of $duedatespec in circulation.pl or 2. do something else which I know not atm 17:35 jcamins chris_n: I'd prefer 11:59:00, and I think that's the best you can do if there's no hour specified. 17:35 chris_n heh 17:35 jcamins libsysguy will be adding in library closing time information. 17:35 * chris_n too 17:35 * libsysguy is still trying to figure out how to do overdues with that closure info 17:36 chris_n yes, we could reference that 17:36 libsysguy if you have an hourly item that is overdue but you are closed…are you still charged? 17:36 chris_n I would think that once the due date has a valid timestamp the overdue script takes care of the rest? 17:37 chris_n we charge for reference books by the hour including hours we are closed 17:37 chris_n not too many patrons get caught in that one, though 17:37 libsysguy yeah I figured it was a special case 17:37 libsysguy but perhaps one that should be addressed as a usecase 17:37 chris_n so I'll concat it for now and add a FIXME referencing the library closing time thoughts 17:37 * libsysguy wants more defined use cases for Koha 17:39 chris_n jcamins: do package upgrades overwrite all existing files? 17:39 jcamins chris_n: yes, except for files in /etc if you have changed them. 17:39 jcamins There is a corollary here: 17:39 jcamins DON'T MODIFY CODE ON A PRODUCTION SERVER 17:40 jcamins !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 17:40 jcamins Darn. Two exclamation marks too few. 17:47 tcohen ok, read the docs for cmp_ok :-D 17:48 tcohen cmp_ok + 'eq' + '2012-07-30T11:53:00' format should do it 17:48 tcohen the DateTime object will be treated as a string in that format 17:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #9: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/9/ 17:54 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Add UTF-8 encoding to intranet xslt files 17:54 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872 Add UTF-8 encoding to opac xslt files 17:54 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for opac-showmarc 17:54 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8872: Changes for intranet showmarc 17:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8872 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improve encoding for xslt files, showmarc and opac-showmarc 18:02 tcohen leaving, byeee 18:06 chris_n jcamins: somewhere along the line I missed that rule 18:06 chris_n does that disqualify me? ;-) 18:09 jcamins chris_n: no, it just means you're going to suffer. 18:09 jcamins :P 18:12 chris_n :-) 18:13 chris_n as long as I have plenty of mint chocolate brownies I'll be fine 18:13 * oleonard wants in on those! 18:13 chris_n btw: I made some blueberry carrot juice the other day and then took the pulp and made wheat muffins out of it 18:13 chris_n fantastic 18:17 jcamins Mint chocolate brownies? 18:17 jcamins I like that idea. 18:18 jcamins The muffins are also a good idea, but slightly less entrancing. 18:38 rangi Morning 18:38 wahanui well, Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:42 * cait waves 18:42 jcamins Morning. 18:42 wahanui it has been said that morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:46 rangi Nz open source awards tonight 18:46 rangi Fingers crossed for the central agencies and Koha 18:47 jcamins :) 18:48 rangi Some election thing too eh? 18:48 jcamins lol 18:48 jcamins Yeah. 18:49 tcohen :-D 18:50 cait rangi: oh Koha too? 18:50 cait had only seen totara and open source academy 18:50 rangi Koha too 18:50 cait nice! 18:50 cait in which category? 18:51 rangi Well the Central agencies implementation of it 18:51 rangi Open source in govt 18:52 rangi Central agencies are 3 govt depts 18:52 rangi Treasury, State services commission and department of prime minister and cabinet 18:52 cait oh cool 18:52 rangi And they built a union catalogue 18:56 rangi More functionality for lots less money 18:56 rangi That's what you want govt to do with IT :) 18:59 cait awesome :) 19:00 rangi Bbiab 19:01 * magnuse waves 19:03 cait hi magnuse 19:03 cait hows things? :) 19:04 magnuse cait: good! :-) 19:04 cait :) 19:05 cait the floor in my bathroom is almost too hot to walk on 19:05 cait which is... nice in a strange way I guess :) 19:05 magnuse hehe 19:05 magnuse sounds a bit weird though 19:06 magnuse meeting in ~7 hours? 19:07 cait oh right 19:07 cait seems so 19:07 magnuse not that i will be attending or anything 19:08 cait sleep++ 19:09 oleonard Shoot, another meeting with no announcement on the list. I'll send one if no one else is doing it 19:10 cait hi kathryn :) 19:10 kathryn hiya cait :) 19:10 kathryn and all! 19:11 rangi back 19:11 rangi thanks oleonard 19:14 jcamins Wait, how can there be a meeting in 7 hours? 19:14 jcamins @time utc 19:14 huginn jcamins: I suck 19:15 rangi 02:00 utc 19:15 oleonard Because every so often we have to have a meeting at a time when no one can come :P 19:15 magnuse how can there not be? :-) 19:15 jcamins 7 hours isn't too late for me to attend, though. 19:15 rangi all the nzers can come, its the best time for me 19:15 jcamins I guess that's thanks to the end of DST. 19:16 rangi i have 8 hours 19:16 rangi ish 19:16 rangi oh no 19:16 rangi you are right 19:16 rangi 7 19:16 oleonard Anyone know if Kohacon13 is on the agenda because someone is planning to talk about it? 19:16 * jcamins does not. 19:16 rangi not sure 19:16 rangi but id love to hear about it 19:17 oleonard magnuse, do you know? 19:18 rangi i think if no one talks about it 19:18 rangi i will 19:18 magnuse hm, i might have put it there because it was on the last agenda 19:18 rangi and propose an action point that we mail to find out 19:19 magnuse and i'd like to hear about it :-) 19:19 rangi any updates/news 19:19 magnuse yeah, i think we should kind of not be forgetting about it 19:21 rangi yep 19:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @nengard: "Don't miss today's #kohails community meeting on IRC. 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Get your local time: http://t.co/fyIV6TRq The agenda is here: http://t.co/tyQX89G5" 19:25 rangi sooner we know dates the more likely it is people can attend 19:27 * magnuse really really hopes not to miss out on this one too 19:27 rangi *nod* 19:34 rambutan @meeting 19:34 huginn rambutan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 19:36 magnuse @arewethereyet 19:36 huginn magnuse: Not yet - wait 16 days 19:36 magnuse ooh 20:06 oleonard If I edited a script that included SQL and added more SQL would I get yelled at for not putting it in pm? 20:06 jcamins oleonard: depends. 20:06 jcamins Are you just editing an existing query? 20:06 jcamins If so, go ahead. 20:06 jcamins If it's adding new functionality, yes, there will be yelling. 20:06 * oleonard grumbles 20:12 magnuse use dbic and avoid writing sql :-) 20:12 jcamins And put the DBIC stuff in Koha::. 20:13 * oleonard should just go back to finger-painting with CSS 20:16 magnuse lol 20:19 chris_n jcamins: with butter and honey the muffins were a strong rival to the brownies 20:20 jcamins chris_n: I would've been more impressed had chocolate been involved... 20:21 chris_n chocolate + blueberries + carrots.... 20:21 * chris_n thinks on it 20:21 jcamins Yeah, that's why the brownies won in my esteem. 20:22 chris_n the kids wanted me to run some chocolate chip cookies through the juicer hoping to create a drinkable cookie :) 20:22 mtj hey jcamins , shall we wack your git-bz up on gitweb.kc.org ? 20:22 jcamins mtj: that sounds like a good idea. 20:22 oleonard chris_n: That's why we have chewing 20:24 mtj cool… under ./contribs, or a new top-level repo? 20:24 rambutan chris_n:; need to add a bit of sugar-free Almond milk 20:25 jcamins gmcharlt: do you think you could create two new repos on git.k-c.org? git-bz for the Koha git-bz client, and a koha-archive for old topic branches? 20:25 rangi i can do both of those 20:25 gmcharlt jcamins: what keys would be accessing them? 20:25 rangi oh cool gmcharlt is here 20:25 rangi he can do it :) 20:25 jcamins gmcharlt: mine for koha-archive, and... mine for git-bz too, I guess. 20:26 rangi can you put mine in git-bz too please 20:26 rangi and maybe the archive 20:26 rangi mtj maybe for git-bz too? 20:26 chris_n oleonard: yeah, but we all know one can drink more cookies than one can chew 20:27 mtj haaay galen :) 20:29 gmcharlt repos created, now adding user access 20:30 gmcharlt OK, done 20:30 gmcharlt koha-archive = jcamins, rangi, gmcharlt 20:30 rangi thanks 20:30 gmcharlt koha-bz = jcamins, rangi, gmcharlt, mtj 20:31 jcamins Thanks! 20:31 magnuse gmcharlt++ 20:31 jransom Morning all 20:31 jcamins I'll push git-bz. 20:31 magnuse kia ora jransom! 20:31 jransom Heya Magnus :) 20:32 jransom I'm just showing our new Digital Services Lead the Koha community tools 20:32 jransom Joann Dillon: JD 20:33 oleonard Hi Joann 20:33 mtj hi jransom, and thanks gmcharlt 20:33 magnuse hiya and welcome to the community Joann Dillon! 20:34 * mtj waves to joann 20:34 rangi hiya Joann number 2 20:34 jransom (she has expereince with Symphony / Kotui - can't wait to get her hands on Koha :) 20:34 jransom Heya Owen 20:34 jransom Thanks everyone, JD 20:34 * magnuse is presenting koha to 20 norwegian librarians tomorrow, at the first ever "get to know koha" day in norway :-) 20:34 jransom Prefer to be called JD 20:34 jcamins Hooray! 20:35 jransom Fantastic Magnus!! 20:35 magnuse yay :-) 20:35 * cait waves 20:35 rambutan JD working w/ DSpace or Kete perhaps? 20:35 jransom waving back 20:35 jcamins gmcharlt: what should the remote look like for git-bz? 20:36 jransom JD is up for anything :) 20:36 jransom Going down to Wgtn to work with @ranganui and @wizzyrea next week 20:37 magnuse ooh, lucky JD! 20:37 jcamins gmcharlt: actually, did you give me read access or just write access on git-bz? 20:38 jcamins I just realized maybe the access denied message was coming from the remote and not my server. 20:38 gmcharlt jcamins: read/write 20:40 gmcharlt jcamins: bah, I had called it koha-bz 20:40 jcamins Oh, that's fine. 20:40 * jcamins can't read. 20:40 cjh magnuse++ 20:41 jcamins Yeah, now it works. 20:41 gmcharlt jcamins: I've changed it to koha-bz 20:41 jcamins Thanks. 20:41 gmcharlt er, git-ba 20:41 jcamins Oh. 20:41 gmcharlt CAN"T TYPE 20:41 jcamins Okay, now it's git-bz. 20:41 gmcharlt git-bz 20:41 jcamins :) 20:41 jcamins Now it's working _and_ called what we both expect. 20:42 magnuse yay! we get there in the end... :-) 20:45 rangi while you are here :) 20:45 rangi can you add a link to 20:46 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-3.10.x/ 20:47 jcamins Okay, pushed git-bz. 20:47 rangi jransom: JD, the first thing I would suggest you do, is get a real IRC client, mibbit will get really annoying really fast :) 20:48 rangi also there is a meeting on irc at 3pm today if you would like to participate you are more than welcome 20:50 jcamins mtj: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=git-bz.git;a=summary 20:54 jcamins I added a README to git-bz while I was at it. 20:59 oleonard If you want to send a patch using git-bz on a branch which has 2 commits, but you just want the last one, do you say "git bz attach -e 1234 [previous commit id]" ? 20:59 jcamins git-bz attach -e HEAD 21:00 mtj yeah, or HEAD~9 for the last 10, etc... 21:00 oleonard Won't that attach patches for both commits, rather than just the latest one? 21:00 jcamins No. 21:00 oleonard Okay 21:00 jcamins You have to identify the commit you want to attach. 21:01 jcamins HEAD is just the HEAD commit. 21:01 jcamins You're probably thinking of origin/master..HEAD, which I never use because it never seems to work. 21:02 mtj oleonard, git-bz attach -e HEAD~1, would push the last 2 commits 21:05 mtj jcamins, what about a new '--signoff-qa' arg for git-bz ? 21:05 mtj that could be handy? 21:07 jcamins mtj: I added one. 21:07 jcamins See README 21:08 oleonard See you in a few hours #koha 21:08 rangi cya oleonard 21:08 rangi go vote 4001012 times 21:08 rangi too late 21:08 rangi i think you are allowed to do that in ohio 21:08 mtj hmm, i cant see that feature in the repo 21:08 mtj (i did look for it :/ ) 21:09 mtj any stats yet on the US votes, on teh webz? 21:10 jcamins Second-to-last commit. 21:11 rangi not yet 21:12 mtj jcamins, sorry - i meant 'Passed-QA-by:' lines , not 'Signed-off-by:' lines 21:12 rangi those are only there 21:12 rangi cos ppl are lazy and didnt sign off 21:12 rangi its better to use Signed-Off 21:12 rangi that means something to get 21:12 rangi git 21:12 rangi even 21:12 rangi the other is just text 21:13 rangi we dont really want passed-qa-by 21:13 rangi but its better than having nothing at all 21:13 mtj ok, im playing catch-up here… i though jared was suggesting making 'passed-qa' lines a requirement 21:13 rangi id like making signed off a requirement 21:13 jcamins No. 21:14 rangi then we know ppl actually applied the patch at the very least 21:14 mtj yep, i got it now :) 21:14 jcamins I'm adding Passed-QA-by during the 3.10 cycle. 21:14 jcamins We'll do signoffs for 3.12. 21:15 rangi that way ppl actually get the credit in the release notes etc 21:16 mtj yep, gotcha 21:23 jcamins I pushed a new branch to git.k-c.org/git-bz. 21:23 jcamins It is called fishsoup and contains our patches rebased against the upstream repo. 21:27 rambutan mtj: I don't think there will be any firm data on the US elections coming in until about the time the koha chat meeting starts. Some of the eastern states will start reporting about then. 21:28 rambutan here's a pretty good chart: http://www.270towin.com/closing.php 21:30 rickx Good afternoon someone can help me with Making Z39.50 Target Public 21:33 eythian hello #koha 21:33 jcamins Woohoo! 9001 passed QA! 21:33 jcamins rickx: what problem are you having? 21:33 mtj thanks for the info rambutan 21:34 eythian jcamins: so I solved that AACR1/2 issue by giving them the options to a) leave as is, or b) fix according to what you said. They picked a) :) 21:34 mtj rickx -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server 21:36 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-December/021751.html 21:36 mtj http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-May/029029.html 21:36 rickx I did this http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/systemfaq.html#publicztarget 21:37 mtj yep, and? 21:38 rickx not know how to show it works 21:38 mtj dpavlin@koha-dev:~$ yaz-client -c /etc/koha/zebradb/ccl.properties localhost:9999/biblios 21:38 mtj http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server 21:38 rangi hehe 21:39 rangi http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1211/S00034/us-elections-voters-on-both-sides-threaten-to-move-to-nz.htm 21:39 eythian http://codesearch.debian.net/ <-- This is cool. Supports regex too. 21:39 rangi ooh cool 21:42 cjh oh wow, that is awesome 21:42 cjh debian++ 21:46 mtj tres fast! 21:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9001: Remove Zebraqueue_daemon <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=44c3657cfc7768c4c1597c04a4daef3a53b427c6> 21:52 mib_uxn2ew Hello 21:52 mib_uxn2ew I'm working to install Koha on my machine. 21:52 mib_uxn2ew I would like to configure the back-end an the OPAC to use SSL. 21:53 rangi yep 21:53 jcamins mib_uxn2ew: it's just a matter of setting up Apache to use SSL. 21:53 rangi you just do that, as you would for any virtual host in apache 21:53 jcamins Koha doesn't do anything special for SSL. 21:53 mib_uxn2ew The OPAC and the back-end are both configured to use the same host name. I think all I have to do is get one certificate and use 2 different ports? 21:54 mib_uxn2ew One for OPAC SSL and the other for back-end SSL. 21:54 jcamins Or a wildcard certificate with different subdomains. 21:54 rangi id do that 21:54 jcamins rangi: which? 21:54 rangi because different ports will confuse ppl 21:54 rangi https:// is gonna expect 443 21:55 mib_uxn2ew Since it's a small installation just for me and few other's I'm not really worried. 21:56 jcamins In that case either will work fine. 21:57 mib_uxn2ew I'm using the guide located at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze . Is this a good guide to follow? 21:58 jcamins That's the best guide. 21:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #933 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:58 mib_uxn2ew Okay great. I'll start following the steps. 22:00 mib_uxn2ew Looks like the installation of packages went well. 22:05 mib_uxn2ew Okay my instance has been created. 22:06 mib_uxn2ew Should I copy http://mibpaste.com/1zEjCN and change the ports and add SSL directives? 22:07 jcamins Exactly. 22:07 jcamins Except... 22:07 jcamins What's with the ServerName SERVERNAME? 22:08 mib_uxn2ew I did that to hide the actual server name 22:08 jcamins Oh, okay. 22:08 jcamins So the server name is there. 22:08 mib_uxn2ew Yup. 22:08 jcamins Then, yes, just adjust that for HTTPS, after backing it up. 22:09 mib_uxn2ew Okay. 22:15 mib_uxn2ew Okay I think this is what it should be: http://mibpaste.com/UPE49U . 22:15 jcamins That looks like it might be right. 22:16 jcamins Don't forget to enable SSL. 22:16 jcamins That step trips up a lot of people. 22:16 jcamins Then you have to stop and start Apache. 22:16 jcamins That also trips up a lot of people. 22:16 mib_uxn2ew Yes, I did forget. But I just enabled SSL. 22:17 mib_uxn2ew Looks like Apache is running. 22:17 mib_uxn2ew Now to setup my installation I should browse to https://hostname:8443? 22:17 jcamins Yes, you have to _stop_ Apache, then start it up. 22:17 jcamins And you'll need to add a Listen directive for port 8443. 22:19 mib_uxn2ew I think all I have to add is Listen 8443 to the virtual host. 22:20 mib_uxn2ew Listen can not occur within the virtual host section... 22:21 rangi put it in ports.conf 22:21 mib_uxn2ew That worked! 22:22 mib_uxn2ew I think I can test it now. 22:22 mib_uxn2ew "Welcome to the Koha web installer" 22:24 mib_uxn2ew I was able to login, now I'm running the installer. 22:24 eythian that's a good sign really :) 22:26 mib_uxn2ew I'm at "Select your MARC flavor". Should I choose Marc21 or Unimarc? I'm guessing Marc21 is the best option? 22:26 eythian it depends where you are 22:26 eythian and what cataloguing standards you want 22:26 mib_uxn2ew U.S. 22:26 eythian then marc21 22:27 mib_uxn2ew IOkay. 22:29 mib_uxn2ew Installer is complete now I'm in the backend. 22:33 mib_uxn2ew I guess the next step is to work on securing Apache. I'm running the installation on a 1GB of RAM VPS. Since it's going to available to the public internet. 22:33 mib_uxn2ew Any suggestions for securing the install? 22:35 mib_uxn2ew Does Koha work well with Mod Security? 22:37 eythian I don't think I've even tried that 22:38 mib_uxn2ew I've never does much with Mod Security either. I'm just looking for ways to make sure the server is secure. 22:39 eythian the packages run Koha with reduced privileges which helps a bit. 22:39 mib_uxn2ew Obviously I have a firewall running. I have disabled the Apache ServerSignature and set ServerToken to Prod. 23:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #933: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/933/ 23:07 jenkins_koha tomascohen: Bug 9001: Remove Zebraqueue_daemon 23:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9001 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , zebraqueue_daemon is deprecated and must go 23:22 bag rangi @wunder 93109 23:22 bag @wunder 93109 23:22 huginn bag: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Santa Barbra CA US, Santa Barbara, California is 21.1°C (2:45 PM PST on November 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 23:23 bag hmmm whatcha you got? 23:24 rangi lots colder than that 23:24 rangi @wunder nzwn 23:24 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on November 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). 23:26 bag isn't it summer there? 23:26 rangi spring 23:26 bag I thought you'd be getting close by now 23:27 rangi jan/feb are the warmest months 23:27 rangi december is ok .. some years 23:27 bag ok sorry for being 3 months early :) 23:27 rangi hehe :) 23:27 bag will try again in the future :) 23:28 bag oh maybe I am secretly rubbing it in ;) 23:28 bag yup bag-- ;) 23:28 huginn bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. 23:28 cjh heh 23:33 lds rangi: hello 23:33 wahanui hi, lds 23:34 rangi hi lds you are up late 23:34 rangi just saw your test message 23:34 lds rangi: bad mail serveur migration 23:34 rangi ah :( 23:34 rangi the lists one looks to have been working fine 23:34 rangi i can see archives and lots of mail 23:35 lds rangi: i'm not lucky this night 23:35 rangi was it another server that went bad? 23:35 lds rangi: yep 23:35 rangi ahh long long day for you 23:35 lds rangi: the lists working fine, its good ;-) 23:47 JesseM has anyone come across the same issues as in bug 8972? 23:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8972 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Due Date set to 100 years ago. 23:47 rangi nope 23:47 rangi but then people use the datepicker vs typing in the date most times 23:48 rangi i think the only thing to do is either stop them typing in the date 23:48 rangi make them use the calendar popup 23:48 rangi or refuse to accept 2 digit dates as input 23:48 JesseM right that makes sense 23:48 rangi we cant know what 12 they mean 23:49 * jcamins votes we accept those as valid dates. 23:49 rangi ? 23:49 jcamins "But codexes weren't even invented when this book was due!" 23:50 rangi 2112 23:50 rangi 2212 23:50 jcamins No. 23:50 jcamins 12. 23:50 rangi and what do we do 23:50 rangi assume it means 2012 23:50 jcamins That's silly. 23:50 jcamins It means 12. 23:50 jcamins Not 2012. 23:50 jcamins Not 1912. 23:50 rangi ah right 23:50 jcamins Not 2112. 23:50 rangi yeah 2 digit years are just wrong, make it be 4 23:51 rangi is probably the only fix 23:51 jcamins Agreed. 23:51 rangi if you really want 12 you can put 0012 23:51 rangi :)