Time  Nick         Message
00:21 eythian      wahanui: kathryn is on the left of https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ofqX3S0SPDo/UGIT5sSfE6I/AAAAAAAATng/bQYU5Chf6Qc/s720/ROSS9901.JPG
00:21 wahanui      OK, eythian.
00:22 kathryn      wahanui eythian is a pest
00:22 wahanui      ...but eythian is a good influence or located somewhere....
00:22 kathryn      no he's not
00:22 kathryn      well not today.
00:34 wizzyrea     lol kathryn
00:35 kathryn      oh wizzyrea....next time it will be you
00:35 wizzyrea     I am sure it will be
00:38 * cait       waves to kathryn and wizzyrea :)
00:38 * wizzyrea   sings the magic cait greeting song
00:38 cait         oh?
00:38 wizzyrea     i don't know how it goes but it's pretty and melodic.
00:38 * kathryn    waves back and bobs along
00:38 cait         lol
00:38 cait         ok :)
00:39 kathryn      I means sways
00:39 * wizzyrea   wonders why cait isn't in bed.
00:39 wizzyrea     @excuse
00:39 huginn       wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
00:39 wizzyrea     excuse?
00:39 cait         excuse?
00:39 wahanui      wizzyrea: kernel panic: write-only-memory (/dev/wom0) capacity exceeded.
00:39 wahanui      cait: divide-by-zero error
00:39 cait         see :)
00:39 wizzyrea     sems logical
00:40 cait         and it's still vacation + a holiday today in germany
00:40 wizzyrea     ohhhh
00:42 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
00:43 mtompset     I was wondering if anyone might know if there is a way to auto-magically generate the LDR records in a MARC file.
00:43 eythian      surely you jest :)
00:44 eythian      not in a meaningful way, it requires semantic information
00:44 eythian      the record size is about the only bit that can be.
00:44 eythian      unless you mean in the Koha cataloguing interface, where I think it just happens when you click, doesn't it?
00:46 wizzyrea     it does
00:47 wizzyrea     i'm not sure, however, that its entirely accurate - how could it be you haven't specified anything about the item yet?
00:47 wizzyrea     i think it gives every item the same LDR
00:47 rangi        its not even slightly accurate
00:47 eythian      that's what I'd expect
00:47 wizzyrea     whether that's right or not
00:47 rangi        you use the dropdown thingy
00:47 rangi        if you want an accurate one
00:47 wizzyrea     "thingy" must be a technical term
00:48 eythian      wahanui: status
00:48 wahanui      Since Wed Sep 26 23:44:47 2012, there have been 1396 modifications and 396 questions.  I have been awake for 36 days, 1 hour, 3 minutes, 24 seconds this session, and currently reference 22881 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
00:54 wizzyrea     oh my!
00:54 mtompset     I have data in SFM format, which is pretty easy to map to MARC, but there's no LDR record to map. So, can I import it without an LDR record?
00:55 mtompset     I mean field... ARG, I keep messing up records and fields with respect to MARC files.
00:57 eythian      oh, just grab the LDR from a stereotypical record and slap it in.
00:58 mtompset     Koha doesn't validate the LDR field?
00:59 mtompset     MARC?\
00:59 mtompset     MARC?
00:59 wahanui      The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
01:08 eythian      https://twitter.com/adzebill/status/264171157656305664/photo/1
01:08 eythian      mtompset: validate against what?
01:09 mtompset     Against validate value ranges for each position?
01:09 mtompset     Against valid value ranges for each position?
01:10 eythian      well, there's documented values, but aside from the size part, there's probably an excuse for having anything
01:11 mtompset     true enough.
05:56 * Oak        waves
05:59 Oak          wizzyrea, you live in US right?
05:59 wizzyrea     oak - not at the moment... why for?
06:00 Oak          ah okay. just wondering if nengard is okay.
06:00 wizzyrea     oh yes, she's fine and well - I think they were supposed to get power back tonight
06:00 Oak          oh good
06:02 Oak          Brooke said we should worry about Nicole not her.
06:03 Oak          i did not even know about the whole thing... as I don't watch tv, and well, don't read newspaper either. bad habit i know.
06:07 mtompset     I think I saw nengard on yesterday.
06:08 mtompset     greetings, Oak and wizzyrea.
06:08 mtompset     Welcome to a timezone closer to the Philippines, wizzyrea. ;)
06:13 francharb    good morning #koha
06:45 Oak          hello mtompset :)
06:45 Oak          morning francharb
06:46 mtompset     Greetings, francharb.
06:46 francharb    hi Oak, mtompset
06:46 mtompset     cait must be commuting and/or having lousy connectivity today.
07:17 * magnuse    waves
07:27 magnuse      slides?
07:27 wahanui      kf should be writing slides
07:37 Oak          magnuse
07:38 magnuse      Oak
07:38 magnuse      yay!
07:42 reiveune     hello
07:42 wahanui      bonjour, reiveune
07:49 mtompset     Oops... greetings, magnuse. bonjour, reiveune. :)
07:50 reiveune     hi :)
07:50 magnuse      kia ora!
08:01 * magnuse    waves to wizzyrea
08:12 gaetan_B     hello
08:26 mtompset     Ooo... mode +o, she has the power. Does that make wizzyrea She-ra? ;)
08:26 mtompset     A little late for a halloween related joke, oh well. :)
08:48 * cait-m     waves
08:50 mveron       Good morning #koha
08:51 cait-m       hi mveron
08:51 mveron       Hi cait-m :-)
08:53 mveron       I see that de-DE is completely translated, will there be any changes? Otherwise I teake it now for de-CH...
08:56 cait         mveron: don't know about changes, I think we might find some things to correct while testing
08:57 cait         but you might wan to test de-ch too... so maybe good to start that
08:57 Oak          so how is marcus?
08:58 mveron       cait: OK, I will do. When ist deadline for translations?
08:58 * magnuse    waves to cait
08:58 cait         I am not sure
08:58 Oak          hmm
08:58 cait         shortly before release I would guess
08:58 cait         hi magnuse :)
08:59 magnuse      should be shortly before the release, i think?
08:59 magnuse      a day or two
09:20 Maxie2012    Hello!
09:23 Maxie2012    I have just managed to install the Koha 3.8 package on Debian Squeeze following the instructions from a link that was recommended i.e. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
09:25 Maxie2012    I used the koha-common package
09:25 magnuse      well done Maxie2012!
09:27 Maxie2012    I entered the command to create the Koha instance and reached the part that says "Once done you should be able to see something at http://kohaadmin/ and http://koha/ from your desktop machine."
09:27 Maxie2012    I'm STUCK!!  I don't know how to get in!
09:27 Maxie2012    help....!
09:27 wahanui      help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help.
09:30 Maxie2012    well...I was hoping someone here could give me some clue as to what I should be looking for and where....unfortunately, I'm also not familiar with Linux
09:30 Maxie2012    As such, I don't even know if the installation was successful...
09:41 Maxie2012    can anyone help explain what it means when it says you should be able to see something...
09:41 Oak          Maxie2012, where does it say that?
09:42 Oak          what does http://localhost in your browser say?
09:42 Oak          and http://localhost:8080
09:44 Maxie2012    in the documentation.....Koha 3.8 on Debian Squeeze
09:48 Maxie2012    went to http://localhost and it says SYSTEM MAINENANCE The Koha online catalogue is offline for system maintenance
09:50 magnuse      woohoo, that means it's mostly working!
09:50 magnuse      how about http://localhost:8080/
09:52 magnuse      Maxie2012: what you see on http://localhost is the opac, but you need to visit the intranet and run through the webinstaller before you can actually see the opac
09:53 Maxie2012    when I go to http://localhost:8080/ it says unable to load page
09:54 Maxie2012    okay...I know this is really a dumb question, but how do I visit the intranet?
09:55 Maxie2012    I've been trying for about an hour....is there a command I can key in from the command line?
09:55 Maxie2012    that's what I meant by I can't get in...
10:15 Maxie2012    seriously....can anyone out there help?
10:16 Maxie2012    I just can't get to my intranet site to access the Web Installer
10:25 magnuse      oops, sorry about that Maxie...
10:45 jcamins      Good morning, #koha.
10:45 magnuse      kia ora jcamins
10:46 magnuse      have you ventured outside yet?
10:47 jcamins      Oh, yeah. We went for a walk a few days ago.
10:48 magnuse      yay
10:55 * magnuse    wonders what an "Immediate parent body" is...
10:57 * magnuse    waves to cait
10:57 * cait       waves back
11:02 jcamins      magnuse: American Numismatic Society. Library -> American Numismatic Society
11:03 magnuse      ah hah
11:35 paul_p       good morning jcamins & magnuse & others (well, for magnus & me it's no more the morning ;-) )
11:35 magnuse      good middle-of-the-day to you too paul_p :-)
11:36 paul_p       magnuse = for you is it middle of the day or middle of the night ? :D :D
11:37 magnuse      ? definitely middle of the day :-)
11:44 * jcamins    adds an auto-signoff switch to git-bz for the release process.
11:53 jcamins      @later tell chris_n Could you please take a look at bug 8490? I can test and sign off, if you can confirm that the change is reasonable.
11:53 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:54 jcamins      paul_p: there's actually another workaround, I think.
11:54 jcamins      Erase $ARGV in your psgi.
11:54 paul_p       jcamins = yep, but OTOH, I don't see why we should keep $ARGV, so, it's a better fix
11:55 paul_p       jcamins = about the auto-signoff to git-bz, please share this with us !!!
11:55 jcamins      paul_p: I'm inclined to agree with you, but if that's actually used from the command line, we can suggest erasing ARGV.
11:55 * paul_p     just finished the tour of all bugs that have 'Plack' somewhere !
11:57 paul_p       bug 8892, bug 8997, bug 8949, need signoff !
11:57 jcamins      paul_p: would you object if I corrected the grammar of your warning?
11:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8892 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Plack variable scoping in basket.pl
11:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8997 major, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Dead code in C4/Language causing useless SQL queries
11:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8949 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Trying to view help on a page without any help results in a Perl error
11:57 paul_p       jcamins = of course no !!!
11:59 jcamins      I can't test bug 8892, since no matter what I do I can't get the acquisitions module to stop telling me to create a budget, but I can test the other two.
12:04 jcamins      paul_p: https://github.com/jcamins/git-bz
12:07 paul_p       jcamins = about the acquisition, do you have a budget that is ACTIVE ?
12:08 jcamins      I did. I deleted it with the plan to go back and create a new active budget, in the hopes that maybe it would help.
12:09 jcamins      paul_p: a signoff on bug 9005 would be much appreciated. The way I can't just activate a language drives me nuts.
12:09 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack
12:13 jcamins      Okay, chris_n confirms your fix on bug 8490 is safe.
12:13 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8490 blocker, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Error when adding label layout under plack
12:19 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:20 jcamins      Is there a reason that the headings on the facets aren't translated?
12:24 oleonard     jcamins: The headings don't come from the template, they come from the script: [% facets_loo.type_label %]
12:24 jcamins      oleonard: ah.
12:24 jcamins      Yuck.
12:25 oleonard     Wait, that's not entirely true
12:26 oleonard     Actually now I'm confused about it
12:26 oleonard     This line: [% facets_loo.type_label %]
12:26 oleonard     ...is followed by [% IF ( facets_loo.type_label_Authors ) %]Authors[% END %] etc.
12:27 libsysguy    sounds like a bandaid gone bad
12:27 oleonard     And in the OPAC the template lacks the [% facets_loo.type_label %] line
12:28 oleonard     So where are you seeing untranslated headings jcamins ?
12:29 jcamins      http://screencast.com/t/DO5R6z2a5lai
12:29 oleonard     Incomplete translation?
12:29 jcamins      I guess that could be.
12:29 jcamins      Same issue in Bokmal.
12:30 oleonard     I don't know how one checks to see if a translation is incomplete or whether you're seeing something which cannot be translated
12:31 * jcamins    does.
12:31 * jcamins    delegates this question to cait, for when she gets home from her vacation.
12:32 chris_n      jcamins paul_p: ARGV was a quick and dirty debug tool I used early in dev of the label stuff
12:33 paul_p       chris_n yep, seen your comment. And jcamins has signed off -;)
12:33 chris_n      its safe to remove it and/or replace it where necessary
12:33 chris_n      getopts would be better for the scripts that are cli useful
12:33 * chris_n    hopes to get back to Koha in Jan 2013
12:33 jcamins      chris_n: as a debug tool in the future, it is possible to pass HTTP arguments on the command line: ./script.pl arg=whatever
12:34 chris_n      right
12:34 chris_n      there was a reason I did not do that, but I cannot recall atm :)
12:34 chris_n      probably frustration with very broken code or some such
12:35 * chris_n    tends to grab the hammer too quickly sometimes
12:35 libsysguy    ^^ same
12:36 * chris_n    heads back to the world of elusive voip problems
12:36 libsysguy    poor chris_n, he was a good fellow
12:41 jcamins      paul_p: if you revise that patch, you may want to use my changed text.
12:42 paul_p       jcamins ???
12:42 wahanui      somebody said jcamins was too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
12:43 jcamins      paul_p: bug 9008
12:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9008 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Failed QA , Warn if librarian logged-in with mysql/admin account
12:43 oleonard     paul_p: I noticed a typo
12:43 jcamins      oleonard found some problems with the markup.
12:44 * paul_p     confused... jcamins weren't you talking to oleonard in fact when you said " paul_p: if you revise that patch, you may want to use my changed text."
12:44 * paul_p     has a confirmation that he is invited for a conference in New Delhi in february, to talk about Koha. /me happy !!!
12:45 jcamins      paul_p: not unless oleonard is revising the patch for bug 9008.
12:45 jcamins      Yay!
12:45 oleonard     congrats paul_p
12:45 oleonard     I'd be happy to submit a revised patch for 9008 if that would help. jcamins, you suggest a text change?
12:46 jcamins      oleonard: the text change is in the patch I signed off on.
12:48 oleonard     "admin login" seems ambiguous. I wonder if there's a better way of saying that.
12:49 jcamins      Possibly, but I'm not sure what it is.
12:49 oleonard     "MySQL user" more accurate but not less confusing?
12:50 oleonard     "database administrator login?"
12:50 jcamins      Hm. That makes sesne.
12:50 jcamins      *sense
12:58 * libsysguy  now remembers what he was going to ask chris_n
13:05 jcamins      I need some commit hooks.
13:18 oleonard     khall around?
13:24 oleonard     Neat, I didn't know you could pass an arbitrary set of bug numbers to Bugzilla and get a nice list
13:24 oleonard     http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=8919%208832%208378%208945%208800%208746%204381%208918%208896%208369%207358&list_id=45371
13:25 oleonard     These are the bugs from paul_p's list for 3.10
13:32 oleonard     I forget... If I want to sign off on something and sneakily include a tiny typo fix how should I do it?
13:33 jcamins      oleonard: make the change, add the file, and then use git commit --amend -s
13:34 oleonard     Ah, I missed the add the file step
13:51 oleonard     Custom Google search of the manual broken? I don't see the form on http://koha-community.org/documentation/
13:52 jcamins      oleonard: it shows up and works for me.
13:53 oleonard     Must be my don't-track-me-bro settings in my browser
13:54 jcamins      Probably.
13:55 oleonard     3.6 was the first Template::Toolkit version wasn't it?
13:55 jcamins      3.4.
13:55 oleonard     Oh, even further back. So these custom RSS feeds have been broken since 3.4
13:56 oleonard     I don't think we need to warn anyone about removing them since they can't have been working for that log
13:57 jcamins      Well, if people had their own templates they might not have been affected.
13:57 jcamins      Maybe.
13:58 mtompset     Greetings, jcamins and oleonard.
13:59 mtompset     I have a coding question... I have a file with markers that map relatively easily to MARC fields and subfields... how do I actually build a MARC::Record in a disjointed manner? That is, one marker is 245$a, but the next line is 245$b. How do I get them on the same 245 field?
14:00 jcamins      Check if a 245 exists before creating a new one?
14:01 mtompset     Okay... I've done that... but how do I update the existing one?
14:01 mtompset     I don't see a function which returns a MARC::Field object in MARC::Record.
14:02 jcamins      mtompset: http://search.cpan.org/~gmcharlt/MARC-Record-2.0.3/lib/MARC/Record.pm#field(_tagspec(s)_)
14:02 mtompset     That doesn't return a MARC::Field.
14:02 mtompset     I think fields() does, but then I have to find the right one.
14:03 mtompset     Is there a better way?
14:03 gmcharlt     mtompset: it does in fact return a MARC::Field object (or list of them, in list context)
14:03 mtompset     fields() does, but field('245') doesn't.
14:04 jcamins      mtompset: yes it does. my $field = $record->field('245').
14:05 mtompset     Oh shoot... typo on my part... that explains it.
14:05 mtompset     s vs. no s.
14:06 mtompset     Finally... I knew asking would help me debug. :)
14:07 gmcharlt     so *that's* what it feels like when gdb attches to one's brain ;)
14:08 mtompset     YES!
14:09 mtompset     Now to run the MarcEdit validation...
14:09 mtompset     Oh shoot! That sucks... I thought 700$a was repeatable.
14:10 jcamins      No, of course not.
14:10 jcamins      7xx fields are controlled.
14:10 mtompset     Well, neither is 100$a.
14:10 jeff         700 is repeatable, 700$a is not.
14:10 jcamins      In MARC, 1xx, 6xx, 7xx, and some 8xx fields are controlled.
14:10 jcamins      That means no repeating $a. You have to repeat the entire field.
14:13 jcamins      mtompset: I guess you found another library-related posting?
14:13 mtompset     No, this is the same project... It just keeps growing.
14:14 mtompset     We're working in Asia, so we are now adding branches in another country now.
14:14 mtompset     And they have their library files in yet another bizarre format.
14:14 jcamins      Ah.
14:15 mtompset     Well, not really bizzare, just I would not have expected SFM files.
14:15 jcamins      Never heard of them.
14:16 mtompset     paste?
14:16 wahanui      i heard paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org
14:16 pastebot     "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Sample dummy record of SFM file" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/259
14:17 mtompset     Each MARC record is delimited like a MRK file, a blank line.
14:17 jcamins      Oh, yeah, I've seen those.
14:17 mtompset     The tags at the front of the line map to various fields/subfields.
14:18 mtompset     It's used in an application called toolbox.
14:18 mtompset     or is it shoebox now...
14:18 mtompset     I can't remember which is newer.
14:18 mtompset     But it is available for download for free.
14:18 mtompset     And was more intended for dictionary development.
14:19 mtompset     But it can be used for a very elementary library catalogue.
14:27 mtompset     Okay... next question... I put some don't generate blank field logic in my code, and now there are only "three" problem records.
14:28 pastebot     "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "How would you resolve these kinds of problems?" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/260
14:29 jcamins      I'd get them to recatalog that record, since it's clearly wrong but what they meant is unclear.
14:30 mtompset     Okay... so pass them the MRK file to clean up.
14:30 jcamins      Yes. They have to figure out who wrote the book.
14:30 mtompset     What if it was co-authored?
14:31 jcamins      Then they have to decide that.
14:31 jcamins      First author goes in 100, second author goes in 700.
14:31 jcamins      However, based on that information, you have no way of knowing whether that's one person or two.
14:32 jcamins      Especially not programmatically.
14:36 mtompset     My guess is two... look at the second $a on the 700 and the 100$a... two individual names, and the first one merges them.
14:36 mtompset     The problem is there's no nice way to clean that programmatically.
14:37 jcamins      Yeah, that'd be my guess as well.
14:37 jcamins      But the only way to be sure is to have them correct it.
14:37 mtompset     It's gets uglier on the other example, they change the order of first name and last name.
14:38 jcamins      You mean the put the names in the correct order?
14:52 oleonard     Ugh, I'm in Search.pm and my brain hurts now!
14:53 jcamins      oleonard: I could've told you that was a bad idea.
14:53 oleonard     *Sigh* It's for the good of the cause.
14:53 jcamins      What are you working on?
14:55 oleonard     Bug 8975 requires that something with notforloan < 0 be both categorized as unavailable *and* set the $can_place_holds variable to 1
14:55 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8975 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , search results should say on order in staff client
14:56 oleonard     I'm just working through the logic of if not lost, not withdrawn, not damaged, etc.
14:57 paul_p       jcamins about ?
14:57 jcamins      paul_p: I am.
14:58 paul_p       jcamins I agreed with nicole that I could push for 3.10 patches related to online documentation, despite String Freeze. So, could you push patches she submitted on bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8945 ?
14:58 huginn       04Bug 8945: major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update
14:59 jcamins      paul_p: they need to be QAed.
14:59 paul_p       jcamins (they're all html only, online help only, so don't wait for "passed QA"
14:59 jcamins      Okay, I will review them in a bit.
14:59 paul_p       jcamins but if you want my "passed QA" official statement, I can add it on the bug ;-)
14:59 jcamins      That would be appreciated.
15:02 paul_p       jcamins done
15:19 mveron       It seems that parts of 'Edit quotes for QOTD feature' is not translatable. In German I get things like "Showing 1 to 4 of 4 entries". Seems to be related to koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/js/datatables.js
15:20 mveron       Can anybody confirm for other languages?
15:25 oleonard     The include datatables-strings.inc should pass the translatable strings to the script. I wonder if the problem is that stray </script> at line 9 of quotes.tt?
15:28 mveron       oleonard: I will test it.
15:29 nengard      oleonard, manual updated regarding clicking tags: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/tools.html#tagsmoderation
15:30 oleonard     Thanks nengard
15:43 mtompset     Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha. Bye.
15:57 * oleonard   emerges safely from Search.pm with what he hopes is a working patch
15:58 oleonard     Here's me inside Search.pm trying to get a working patch: http://no-way-out.tumblr.com/post/34633927605/decisions-decisions
16:00 reiveune     bye
16:02 mtj          jcamins, i spotted yr acq/budgets problems before…
16:02 jcamins      mtj: do you have a solution? :)
16:02 mtj          are you testing using the kohaadmin/db user?
16:02 jcamins      No, should I be?
16:02 mtj          no
16:03 mtj          i was doing some acq testing as kohaadmin, and got that similar error… :/
16:03 jcamins      But when you logged in as a regular user it worked?
16:03 mtj          switching to a proper user, fixed that problem, for me
16:03 mtj          yep
16:03 jcamins      Humbug.
16:04 jcamins      Maybe the problem is that the budget was created by the database user.
16:04 mtj          i googled, and spotted khall had the same problem as me...
16:07 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8945' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=369c5382a48ab2faab1f49e710681681e718ab40> / Bug 8945: Update Tags help files for 3.10 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be0f16aaac1a5dd2c18c0ba18d388de67fe1c467> / Bug 8945: Tools Help Files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c075970daa27d770ec807bad1467d25761
16:08 jcamins      Oh, there's another bug that passed QA.
16:08 mtj          hmm not sure,  i qa-ed some acq bugs 2 days ago on master, and the budgets/funds setup worked ok for me, on a fresh db
16:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #927 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:17 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries - Followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5011479de33e56aa27c74fd60befe4e4963ce013> / Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf4a7bd65c8529b5eaf3cbea6d7111bef634cc22>
16:27 jcamins      HTML isn't printer-friendly no matter what, is it?
16:30 jcamins      And when I say "printer-friendly" what I really mean is "I can't use HTML instead of LaTeX, no matter how much I want to be lazy, can I?"
16:30 oleonard     It is if you're willing to relinquish control over how it looks
16:31 jcamins      oleonard: we're talking about _me_.
16:31 oleonard     :)
16:33 * jcamins    revisits XSL-FO.
16:37 jcamins      Oh, XSL-FO. Are you a standard still trying to find your place, or are you just DOA?
16:45 gaetan_B     bye
16:54 jeff         jcamins: the wikipedia Talk page for XSL Formatting Objects has two requests for information on the standard's future dating back to 2008, but the Apache FOP project did have a 1.1 release within the last two weeks.
16:55 jeff         jcamins: Now it is time to play a game I like to call "STABLE? OR DEAD?"
16:55 jcamins      jeff: hehe. Yup. That's exactly where I am.
16:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #6 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:58 jcamins      I am trying to decide, which of these is more evil: images and UTF-8 in LaTeX, indexes in XSL-FO, or documentation in InDesign.
16:59 jcamins      They're all more evil. I meant I'm trying to figure out which is _least_ evil.
17:13 tcohen       what's the problem with LaTeX?
17:14 tcohen       r u using texlive 2012?
17:15 jcamins      tcohen: lambda kills kittens, and pdflatex isn't fond of unicode either.
17:15 jcamins      There's a new version?
17:15 jcamins      Ooh!
17:15 jcamins      New version of LaTeX
17:16 tcohen       debian has had problems packaging texlive (and hence ubuntu)
17:17 tcohen       (precise comes with 2009 version)
17:17 jcamins      Yeah, 2009 is what I have.
17:17 tcohen       but quantal has 2012 already so...
17:17 jcamins      I figured it was so stable that they'd just stopped working on it. :P
17:17 tcohen       for my thesis i had to (conveniently) install by hand the 2012 version
17:17 tcohen       which is just straightforwrd
17:18 tcohen       with a script that is provided in the texlive site (texlive > the new latex distribution, superseding tetex)
17:19 jcamins      Hm. I shall experiment.
17:19 tcohen       http://tug.org/texlive/acquire-netinstall.html
17:21 libsysguy1   qa tools?
17:22 libsysguy1   poo wahanui
17:27 libraryman   hi
17:27 wahanui      hey, libraryman
17:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #222 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:27 libraryman   need help want to upload my data(books)to koha
17:28 jcamins      libraryman: what format are the books in?
17:28 jcamins      *records
17:28 libraryman   excel
17:29 jcamins      You will need to convert them into MARC.
17:29 jcamins      A lot of people use Marcedit for that.
17:29 jcamins      marcedit?
17:29 wahanui      marcedit is a great tool to help you with that.  Or there are other Marc Editing tools you can use as well.  well there ya have it from kf_a!
17:30 * Oak        waves goodbye
17:30 libraryman   can i upload them all at once?
17:30 jcamins      wahanui: forget marcedit
17:30 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot marcedit
17:30 jcamins      libraryman: yes, if you convert them to MARC.
17:30 libraryman   how
17:30 libraryman   will csv help
17:31 jcamins      marcedit is a tool for editing MARC records. It can also convert spreadsheets to MARC. See http://people.oregonstate.edu/~reeset/marcedit/html/index.php
17:31 jcamins      Yes, CSV is generally better to start with than Excel.
17:31 libraryman   k
17:31 libraryman   so all i need is the conversion
17:31 libraryman   tnx pals
17:32 jcamins      Assuming you have Koha installed and set up, yes.
17:32 libraryman   k
17:32 libraryman   it is installd
17:33 jcamins      So, yes, if you convert the records to MARC you can just upload the records using the "Stage MARC Records" tool.
17:34 libraryman   tnx man!tis realy insightful
17:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #927: SUCCESS in 1 hr 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/927/
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Serials Help Files for 3.10
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update suggestion help file for 3.10
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update lists help for 3.10
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Tools Help Files
17:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8945 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update
17:59 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update Tags help files for 3.10
18:00 libraryman   having issue convert my records in execl into marc
18:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #928 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:01 libraryman   the stuff is trowin error
18:01 libsysguy    tcohen you around?
18:01 tcohen       yup
18:01 jcamins      libraryman: I don't know how to use marcedit, sorry.
18:02 libraryman   tnx man
18:02 libsysguy    do I need all 3 patches to on bug 8800
18:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8800 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
18:02 tcohen       no
18:02 libsysguy    just the last one?
18:02 tcohen       the last one is a rewrite, as the first failed qa
18:02 tcohen       yes, the last one
18:02 wahanui      i guess the last one is the first one if you look backwards.
18:03 libsysguy    oh okay, what is the middle one?
18:03 tcohen       a patch that applies to 3.8
18:03 tcohen       obsolete it too
18:03 libsysguy    okay
18:04 libsysguy    I just didn't want to clutter up my nice clean qa space
18:04 libsysguy    :p
18:04 tcohen       look elliot, i really tried to fix this the way paul said
18:04 tcohen       i just didn't understand the code, that was too complex
18:04 tcohen       (unnecesarilly)
18:04 libsysguy    uh oh lol
18:05 tcohen       is it ok if you write another patch for this
18:05 libsysguy    heh I am having to refactor my code.  If yours doesn't work I'll take a poke at fixing the current code before I delete it :p
18:06 tcohen       as i see it if the code has big branches inside, it is better to call a specific function for that
18:06 tcohen       (days vs. hours)
18:07 tcohen       and mixing branches is much worse
18:07 tcohen       (that's what the code does
18:07 tcohen       having multiple if hours... inside every  branch)
18:08 libsysguy    okay, well I'll give it a shot
18:08 tcohen       at least we can now read which syspref case is handled by which branch
18:10 oleonard     *Sigh,* that was fast. Bug 8975.
18:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8975 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , search results should say on order in staff client
18:10 nengard      sorry oleonard
18:10 nengard      i was pretty excited about it
18:11 nengard      it did what i wanted, but didn't pass the tests you laid out
18:12 oleonard     Heh, I guess I shouldn't be so thorough in my test plans ;)
18:12 nengard      hehe
18:14 oleonard     nengard: AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems is turned off and you still see the holds link on the search results page?
18:14 nengard      yes
18:15 nengard      mind you that's the case in master too
18:15 nengard      it's a bug that's not related to the thing you fixed
18:15 nengard      but it's in your test plan
18:15 nengard      and i don't know if it's a reported bug
18:15 nengard      or one we just now found
18:16 oleonard     I don't find it to be the case. I'm looking at a record with one item, that item is damaged,  AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems is off... I see "No holds allowed" instead of the holds link
18:17 oleonard     ...and the same in master
18:21 gmcharlt     @quote random
18:21 jcamins      gmcharlt: just a moment too late!
18:21 * gmcharlt   kicks huggin
18:22 rangi        @wunder nzwn
18:22 rangi        heh
18:23 rangi        need more coffee obviously
18:25 rangi        weather has returned to normal rainy and windy here
18:26 rangi        sposta be meeting wizzyrea, trea and spud at the railway station to go to the pet expo today
18:27 nengard      oleonard are you a superlibrarian ? maybe it's cause i'm a superlibrarian
18:27 nengard      or maybe it's cause i'm just too tired to see straight
18:27 oleonard     I am
18:28 rangi        http://freerangelibrarian.com/2012/11/02/the-fall-funnel-of-fun/
18:28 nengard      oleonard it's the latter
18:28 nengard      I see it right now on master
18:28 nengard      will try patch again
18:28 jcamins      nengard: it could also have been indexing delay.
18:29 rangi        you can see the new te takere library :)
18:29 nengard      oh! jcamins i like your explanation better
18:29 nengard      i did just reindex
18:30 nengard      oleonard, one problem
18:31 rangi        awww
18:31 rangi        "The last meal I had with colleagues was with developers. I had forgotten how endearing they can be."
18:31 nengard      a damaged item can't be put on hold - but it can be checked out - at least there is no rule against it - but because of the preference to not allow holds it says that damaged items are unavailable
18:31 rangi        (that was with eythian, mtj, and me)
18:32 rangi        (dont mind me im just talking to myself hehe)
18:32 oleonard     ...and it's very endearing rangi.
18:32 oleonard     nengard: That makes sense, but it's outside the scope of the bug I think
18:32 rangi        heh
18:32 nengard      okey dokey
18:32 nengard      signing off
18:32 wahanui      it has been said that signing off is a great idea! or at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
18:33 chris_n      lol
18:34 tcohen       hmm, our redmine setup thinks koha has too much commits :-D
18:35 rangi        heh
18:38 rangi        im quite a fan of redmine
18:38 rangi        @wunder nzwn
18:38 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 03, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
18:40 gmcharlt     @quote random
18:40 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #68: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" (added by wizzyrea_laptop at 08:17 PM, March 10, 2010)
18:40 rangi        heh
18:40 rangi        thats still a good one
18:41 rangi        @wunder nzwn
18:41 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 03, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
18:41 rangi        hmm
18:41 rangi        i wish it had wind direction/speed
18:42 rangi        ah ha
18:42 rangi        northerly 35kmph gusting to 50kmph .. just the usual then
18:44 rangi        oh man, now he's trolling prospective support suppliers too
18:45 jcamins      rangi: why draw the line at "limited trolling"?
18:45 rangi        heh
18:47 tcohen       libsysguy, what do u think of a new bug for revisiting Calendar.t?
18:48 oleonard     I wonder why the OPAC has a publication date range search and the staff client doesn't
18:50 rangi        hmm thats a bit odd
18:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #6: SUCCESS in 1 hr 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/6/
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Serials Help Files for 3.10
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update suggestion help file for 3.10
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update lists help for 3.10
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Tools Help Files
18:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8945 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , Koha 3.10 Help Files Update
18:53 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8945: Update Tags help files for 3.10
18:53 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
18:53 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries - Followup
18:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8826 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
18:53 rangi        jcamins: got a sec?
18:54 libsysguy    tcohen probably should, when I applied I got an error
18:54 jcamins      rangi: sure.
18:54 tcohen       error aplying?
18:54 rangi        bug 8981
18:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8981 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Remove Nonpublic General Note from OPAC authorities display
18:54 libsysguy    yeah it didn't apply due to merge conflicts
18:55 rangi        the patch does what it says, just checking its not a bad idea
18:55 tcohen       maybe because of recent bug that was pushed that touches is_holiday?
18:55 jcamins      Yeah, it makes sense.
18:55 rangi        cool
18:56 libsysguy    umm the conflict was the number of tests to perform
18:56 tcohen       oh my
18:56 libsysguy    but it was no big deal
18:56 libsysguy    I already resolved it
18:56 tcohen       wtf did i attach?
18:56 * libsysguy  shrugs
18:56 libsysguy    lol
18:58 rangi        yay bug 9001
18:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9001 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , zebraqueue_daemon is deprecated and must go
19:00 * rangi      tries an install
19:05 rangi        that worked
19:12 rangi        But in addition, the government's approach should terrify any user of cloud computer services—not to mention the providers.  The government maintains that Mr. Goodwin lost his property rights in his data by storing it on a cloud computing service.
19:12 rangi        https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/governments-attack-cloud-computing
19:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #222: SUCCESS in 1 hr 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/222/
19:14 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8804 [Revised] Quiet errors in the log from Auth.pm
19:14 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
19:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8804 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Quiet errors in the log from Auth.pm
19:14 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8826 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
19:15 oleonard     Have a good weekend #koha
19:15 jcamins      Heh. I hadn't noticed that there was no mention of postgres and solr.
19:18 rangi        !jenkins status
19:18 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
19:18 jenkins_koha 3_6_Packages: last build: 21 (1 mo 19 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_6_Packages/21/
19:18 jenkins_koha 3_8_packages(BUILDING: 3 min 35 sec and counting): last build: 151 (1 day 8 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_8_packages/151/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.10.x: last build: 6 (2 hr 21 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/6/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x(disabled) : last build: 36 (11 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/36/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.4.x(disabled) : last build: 80 (8 mo 15 days ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/80/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.6.x: last build: 63 (10 days ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/63/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.8.x: last build: 222 (1 hr 51 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/222/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 223 (1 hr 6 min ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/223/
19:18 jenkins_koha Koha_master(BUILDING: 1 hr 18 min and counting): last build: 927 (3 hr 5 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/927/
19:18 jenkins_koha Master_Packages: last build: 115 (1 hr 18 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/115/
19:18 rangi        we really should fix the xml in the french manual so that stops failing
19:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #928: SUCCESS in 1 hr 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/928/
19:57 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
19:57 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8826 - Initialization of hash triggers error log entries - Followup
19:57 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8826 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
19:58 jenkins_koha Starting build #929 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:27 Brooke       o/
20:28 JesseM       \o
20:29 jcamins      o/
20:29 Brooke       :)
20:36 rangi        Dang broke my own rule
20:36 Brooke       which one?
20:36 wahanui      which one is 3.6.x?
20:36 * Brooke     gives waha a smeck
20:37 rangi        Answered the archives paul
20:37 Brooke       tsc, that's a good thing :)
20:38 Brooke       I'm just happy to see Turkish folks taking an interest :)
20:39 rangi        Well they won't if trolly troll trolls keep hassling them
20:39 rangi        If that was my first reply and I was them I'd go look at evergreen instead
20:40 Brooke       we shall use the awesome power of manaakitanga to out signal their noise, sir.
20:41 rangi        Yep only reason I broke my rule
20:42 Brooke       @later tell nengard good I'm glad. I was worried.
20:42 huginn       Brooke: The operation succeeded.
20:42 rangi        Brooke++
20:43 rangi        And now I'm off with the kids
20:44 Brooke       cheers mate. Have a good saturday
21:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #929: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/929/