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21:43 YoungPublicLibrarian drojf: I thought that might be the case. I guess I'll try Monday or Wednesday...Just very odd that I can't find that one particular field in the schema...
21:43 YoungPublicLibrarian Like, the "borrowers.borrowernotes" returns the notes in the Circ field under EDIT, "messages.message" gives the "Patron" messages, but nothing that I can find gives the "Librarians Only" messages...
21:39 drojf YoungPublicLibrarian: i think it is weekend in most parts of the world already
21:35 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, how do I get a report to return the "Librarians Only" messages in a query?
19:32 Brooke Taunting. 15 Yard penalty. Loss of Down.
19:32 * Brooke throws a pink flag.
19:32 huginn cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0Â°C (8:00 AM NZDT on October 27, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
19:32 cait @wunder wellington, nz
19:16 cait gut :)
19:16 Brooke wie geht's?
19:15 Brooke hallo
19:15 cait hi Brooke
19:14 jcamins o/
19:14 Brooke o/
18:59 nengard 6 hour is crazy!!!
18:58 nengard but yes, i made it home!
18:58 nengard and a 2 hour delay out of msp
18:58 nengard i had a 30 min delay out of san jose
18:54 rhcl hey, u make it home ok? We had a 6 hour delay out of SFO
18:50 nengard hi
18:49 huginn user00: nengard was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 20 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <nengard> oleonard, i understand it all, but can't explain right now ;)
18:49 user00 @seen nengard
18:37 huginn bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 2 hours, 41 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at workâ€¦ that's definitey something I miss from my home office days
18:37 bag @seen sekjal
18:34 jcamins No point in having lots if it's just me.
18:34 jcamins 2.
18:33 jcamins Ummm...
18:33 drojf how many threads did you enable in starman?
18:32 jcamins *figured
18:31 jcamins I still haven't figure out _exactly_ how much it's using, but VSZ is 200-something MB, and the debug console reports memory usage as 64MB.
18:31 drojf i will try it with the 512mb ram version next week i hope
18:30 drojf s/font/don't/
18:30 drojf keep in mind i font have much more and i dont know if it would just die if it's "really" used
18:29 jcamins A lot more.
18:29 drojf i have never managed to run starman. how much ram does that take?
18:29 drojf but i had just restartet it
18:28 drojf 42880 31m /usr/bin/placku
18:28 drojf 70588 54m /usr/bin/placku
18:28 drojf 321m 53m mysqld
18:27 drojf heh not very useful paste
18:27 drojf 2619 koha-koh 20 0 42880 31m 3360 S 0,0 13,5 0:08.08 /usr/bin/placku
18:27 drojf 2230 mysql 20 0 321m 53m 5664 S 0,3 22,9 0:07.12 mysqld 2624 koha-koh 20 0 70588 54m 5132 S 0,0 23,4 0:29.31 /usr/bin/placku
18:27 jcamins I'm using starman instead of plackup, and I don't know how the memory usage compares.
18:26 jcamins drojf: I'm wondering for a development machine.
18:26 drojf i don't think my numbers are fair anyway since it never ran really long or was heavily used
18:25 drojf for virtual size, let me have a look
18:25 drojf i think i have something around 60mb x2 for plackup, two more plackup with ~6mb and mysql withâ€¦ 50mb or something
18:25 drojf sorry phone
18:17 jcamins What's the virtual memory size of Koha under Plack?
18:15 jcamins drojf: wondering about RAM usage for Plack without Starman.
18:15 drojf jcamins: a minute maybe :9 why?
18:14 jcamins drojf: around?
18:14 cait of course... everything is only a guess
18:14 cait I mean they could go back to it maybe for less cost and no trainingfor staff
18:14 oleonard Now I'm curious about how bad WMS is.
18:13 cait oleonard: perhaps because the contract was still there?
18:13 jcamins oleonard: anything is better than WMS?
18:12 oleonard Why would they switch back to something that they know they have to switch away from again?
18:10 cait that's not exactly good publicity for wms
18:09 cait ah nope
18:08 oleonard SJL's 2010 annual report says their circ was 177,077. Not very big.
18:08 drojf thanks again, brain
18:08 drojf reminds me that i forgot to send in my broken headphones :(
18:07 drojf he
18:07 * cait tell your brain her address for the package
18:07 cait cookies yay!
18:06 drojf hm. i think i have to bake cookies. thanks, brain
18:05 cait heh
18:05 drojf i have baked cookies before, but setting themâ€¦
18:05 drojf cool
18:04 jcamins drojf: sure. You just have to URLencode it, I think.
18:03 drojf can i put several things in one cookie value? something like 'piwik=yes+socialnetworks=no+amazon=no+google=yes' or is that bad for some reason? i would prefer not to use one cookie per possible privacy setting
17:48 cait hm thy don't say how big they are
17:47 jcamins Looks like they need to think about Koha. :)
17:46 cait http://www.sanjuanislander.com/island-newshome/more/library/5787-sji-library-to-return-to-former-information-system
17:45 cait hmm
17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8947 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Search does not work with CCSR theme and language = nb-NO
17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8939 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Fines Charged During Grace Period
17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8958 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Facets are not fully UNIMARC compliant
17:04 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8947: [SIGNED-OFF] XSLT fallback logic backwards
17:04 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8939 follow-up welcome to Robert Williams 194th contributor
17:04 jenkins_koha * williams: Bug 8939 : Fines being charged during the grace period
17:04 jenkins_koha * mathieu.saby: Bug 8958: Make facets more UNIMARC compliant (revision 1)
17:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #917: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/917/
16:58 tcohen thanks jcamins,oleonard
16:48 oleonard Oh right, I remember now
16:48 jcamins oleonard: authority hierarchies.
16:48 jcamins :)
16:48 jcamins Ergo, 100% of our tree usage is jstree.
16:48 wahanui somebody said jcamins was too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
16:48 oleonard Where jcamins?
16:48 jcamins :P
16:48 jcamins I'm the only one using it.
16:48 tcohen ok!
16:48 tcohen https://github.com/jzaefferer/jquery-treeview
16:48 jcamins jstree is standard!
16:48 jcamins jstree.
16:47 oleonard we don't use anything standard at the moment tcohen, but jqueryUI has the accordion plugin which might also work
16:47 jcamins Don't remember what it's called...
16:47 jcamins tcohen: the tree view one might do it.
16:47 tcohen anyone, a jquery plugin for making ul collapsable? oleonard?
16:37 jcamins You're welcome. You probably want 010$a.
16:36 bag thanks jared
16:30 wahanui i guess nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
16:30 jcamins Oh. Nothing.
16:30 huginn jcamins: I suck
16:30 huginn jcamins: A unique number assigned to a MARC record by the Library of Congress. Valid MARC prefixes for LC control numbers are published in MARC 21 Format for Bibliographic Data. [a,b,z,8]
16:30 jcamins huginn: noooo!!!! What has happened to you?
16:30 jcamins @marc 010
16:29 bag tag 010
16:27 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @hbraum: "Come work for us! @nekls in Lawrence, KS is hiring a Systems Administrator http://t.co/mF5eEIWS #wordpress #opensource #libraries #kohails"
16:18 jcamins cait: GMT-6 to GMT+12
16:16 cait jcamins: 18!
16:15 jcamins Alas, the hurristormpocalypse may cause our CSA pick up to be rescheduled.
16:09 jcamins The person I'd usually ask to make the change is currently moving... 18 time zones.
16:09 jcamins Agreed.
16:08 lavamind jcamins: thanks for the bug report, I think that will make a great enhancement -- on the short-term though, I think updating the documentation page I brought up would still be pretty relevant. problems with zebra seem endemic amoing new/inexperienced koha admins
15:56 cait bye :)
15:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #917 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:56 mib_78v6t5 Happy weekend to everyone, see you guys on Monday lol!
15:55 mib_78v6t5 Thank you!
15:55 jcamins Welcome to the Koha community. :)
15:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8947: [SIGNED-OFF] XSLT fallback logic backwards <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ea2bb7eca37ded5637be28b888da5af503b89c5> / Bug 8939 follow-up welcome to Robert Williams 194th contributor <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be3441d64833a48b26912141d85d1470be52f135> / Bug 8939 : Fines being charged during the grace period <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb
15:53 mib_78v6t5 and I work here
15:53 jcamins The latest stable version of Koha is 3.8.6.
15:53 mib_78v6t5 I really need to, we gonna use it from now on in this library
15:52 jcamins Excellent!
15:52 jcamins The Koha website is, of course, koha-community.org.
15:52 mib_78v6t5 yes, I've read it
15:52 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
15:52 jcamins manual?
15:52 jcamins A good place to start is the manual.
15:52 mib_78v6t5 haha
15:52 mib_78v6t5 thanks for that, now is too late
15:52 mib_78v6t5 lol
15:52 jcamins Perhaps I shouldn't have told you... you could have provided a Turing test for him. ;)
15:52 mib_78v6t5 (:
15:52 mib_78v6t5 I'm searching and learning how to use koha
15:51 mib_78v6t5 is my 1st time here
15:51 mib_78v6t5 lol
15:51 jcamins mib_78v6t5: wahanui is a bot.
15:51 jcamins Wonder who taught him that.
15:51 jcamins lol
15:51 mib_78v6t5 yeah
15:50 wahanui hello are u there?
15:50 mib_78v6t5 hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:49 jcamins lavamind: eythian. I reported a bug on the packaging, and with luck he'll be able to patch koha-rebuild-zebra before I can.
15:49 lavamind jcamins: do you happen to know who's responsible for koha-common ?
15:45 jcamins lavamind: brilliant!
15:45 lavamind jcamins: perhaps introducing some kind of basic sanity check for ownership in koha-rebuild-zebra could also help
15:41 jcamins lavamind: that's a good point.
15:40 lavamind jcamins: I'd be enclined to also remove the "(or root, depending on your setup)" passages 1) you're note supposed to run that stuff as root and 2) if you are, you'd better know what you're doing
15:37 cait jcamins: interesting question with liz moving!
15:36 lavamind jcamins: so yeah, /var/lib/koha/<user> and /var/lock/koha/<user>
15:35 jcamins Hooray!
15:35 lavamind jcamins: sucess! search is back
15:35 jcamins I'll just have to figure out who has write access who I can ask to add it.
15:34 jcamins I think that's an excellent idea.
15:34 lavamind jcamins: what do you think about adding a line or two about which directories to check for ownership to http://koha-community.org/faqs/zebra-indexing-wont-work-fix-it-aka-search-stuff-up-help/
15:32 lavamind jcamins: running koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full prof
15:32 jcamins lavamind: Do a `sudo service koha-common stop` followed by a `sudo service koha-common start` and see if that fixes it.
15:31 jcamins lavamind: that might be it.
15:31 lavamind -rw------- 1 root root 10 26 oct 10:29 state..LCK
15:30 lavamind jcamins: in /var/lock/koha/prof there's a couple of root-owned files
15:30 gerundio the ExtendedPatronAttributes refered in the bug are the ones defined in the Patron attribute types admin area, right?
15:30 jcamins lavamind: oh?
15:30 lavamind jcamins: I think I've got it
15:30 gerundio since I'm a noob at koha I'll need some guidance :)
15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8919 critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP
15:29 gerundio bug 8919
15:29 gerundio meanwhile I've started looking for that LDAP related bug you wanted me to sign off
15:28 lavamind drwxr-xr-x 53 root root 4,0K 11 oct 11:59 koha ---- drwxr-xr-x 6 prof-koha prof-koha 4,0K 25 oct 12:09 biblios
15:26 jcamins lavamind: what's the ownership on /var/lib/koha/prof and /var/lib/koha/prof/biblios?
15:26 cait sorry, I have no idea for a work around
15:26 cait hm
15:26 lavamind jcamins: http://pastebin.com/gfaDJ4qb
15:26 gerundio I guess they'll just hear a 2nd no :)
15:25 gerundio as they can be students or teachers
15:25 gerundio but even so, there's no way to identify the project members
15:25 gerundio the only workaround I see is to define a specific item type to the books of each project
15:24 * jcamins was looking in logs for something else.
15:24 jcamins Sorry.
15:24 jcamins I meant `ls -lR /var/lib/koha`
15:24 jcamins Wait.
15:24 jcamins lavamind: I'm interested in the ownership of the folders.
15:24 gerundio exactly my thoughts
15:24 gerundio I don't think it's possible to use koha to this extent
15:24 cait sorry gerundio, I don't think koha has a feature specific for that workflow
15:23 lavamind and root-owned intranet- and opac- logfiles (!)
15:23 lavamind jcamins: empty zebra-* logs
15:23 gerundio they would follow the normal circulation rules
15:22 gerundio if a patron, other than the project researchers, want to checkout one of these books
15:22 gerundio the project books are regular books for all that matters
15:21 jcamins What does `ls -lR /var/log/koha` give you?
15:21 gerundio ;)
15:21 cait gerundio: it's ok - I was at the super market in the meantime ;)
15:21 gerundio even more when I'm the one asking the questions :)
15:21 gerundio hate to leave people hanging
15:21 gerundio cait, sorry for the long absence
15:20 lavamind with -v -v
15:20 jcamins It has to be permissions, but I don't know exactly which directory it's likely to be.
15:20 lavamind here's a log of rebuild_zebra.pl as my koha user : http://pastebin.com/3e9VwCUp
15:19 jcamins Yeah, packages are great.
15:19 cait :) eythian++
15:19 lavamind I must say, aside from this zebra pain, I was surprised how streamlined the upgrade went, Koha has great Debian packagers
15:17 lavamind after upgrading the packages and updating translations, everything looked pretty fine
15:17 reiveune bye
15:17 lavamind the package upgrade ran them automatically, as far as I can tell
15:16 jcamins Did you run koha-upgrade-to-3.4 or whatever the script is?
15:16 * jcamins didn't know that.
15:16 lavamind /var/log/dpkg.log:2012-10-25 12:08:28 upgrade koha-common 3.2.5-1 3.8.6-1
15:16 jcamins There _were_ packages for 3.2.
15:16 jcamins No, I just checked.
15:15 lavamind I can check my dpkg logs, one sec
15:15 jcamins Apparently I was wrong.
15:15 jcamins I didn't think Koha was packaged until 3.4.
15:15 lavamind yes
15:15 jcamins 3.2.5?
15:15 lavamind no, the previous install was from packages as well
15:14 jcamins So you moved from a non-package install to a package install.
15:14 jcamins Wow. Big jump.
15:14 lavamind 3.2.5 to 3.8.6
15:13 jcamins From which version to which version?
15:13 lavamind could other directories or files be involved ?
15:13 jcamins And you just upgraded koha-common?
15:13 jcamins Okay, sudo -u sets the effective UID correctly.
15:13 jcamins lavamind: hm. Definitely ownership issue then.
15:13 lavamind no, sudo -u <user> -H command, as in koha-r-z
15:12 lavamind jcamins: I resorted to rebuild_zebra.pl after trying koha-rebuild-zebra unsuccessfully, leading me to figure out that running it as root produced the files
15:12 jcamins lavamind: oh, did you use su -? If you just use su, sometimes the effective UID gets screwed up.
15:11 lavamind jcamins: I've checked ownership, everything is owned by the correct user...
15:10 jcamins Why were you running rebuild_zebra directly?
15:10 jcamins In that case, probably you just need to change the ownership on the files and rebuild.
15:10 jcamins lavamind: ah, that was wise.
15:10 lavamind jcamins: I made sure to set the environment variables in the command, following whats in koha-rebuild-zebra
15:09 jcamins (substituting your instance name for "user")
15:09 jcamins Then run sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full user
15:09 jcamins Do a chown -R user-koha:user-koha /var/lib/koha/user/[whatever]
15:08 jcamins lavamind: you should not be running rebuild_zebra.pl directly when using packages.
15:08 lavamind Hi, I just upgrade my Debian Koha packages, but having a problem with indexing. rebuild_zebra.pl now only works as root, running with the -koha user (while no error message appears) doesn't produce any *.mf index files...
15:08 * phasefx shall so endeavor
15:07 jcamins You should test it and sign off if it works.
15:07 jcamins Oh, there's a new patch.
15:07 phasefx jcamins++
15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7620 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Needs Signoff , OPACNoResult, add search string to available parameters
15:07 jcamins Bug 7620
15:07 phasefx jcamins: thanks. I tried suggesting something to someone involving javascript and parsing the location object, but it was a bit much
15:07 jcamins Bug...
15:06 jcamins There was a patch do add that, but it didn't work consistently.
15:06 jcamins phasefx: no.
15:06 phasefx hey guys, for the OPACNoResultsFound system preference, are there any macros/variables available there where we could say, propogate search terms to other catalogs/engines via the HTML placed there?
14:38 cait :)
14:38 jcamins Yay!
14:38 cait bread most of all
14:38 cait jcamins: hm I have fennel, maybe a mango
14:38 jcamins For fennel? :)
14:38 sophie_m thank you cait and jcamins
14:37 cait ok, i am off to the super market - bbiab
14:37 jcamins That's correct, yes.
14:37 jcamins You can look in installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/subtag_registry.sql
14:36 cait jcamins: that right?
14:36 cait and in cataloguing catalogers enter the codes and use the plugin for the controlfield
14:36 cait the descriptions and pull down there
14:36 cait the advanced search builds on the language tables
14:35 jcamins That's from the language stuff.
14:35 jcamins sophie_m: that's not from authorized values.
14:35 wahanui okay, sophie_m.
14:35 sophie_m cait: it is also use to limit search on languages, don't you use it in marc21 ?
14:34 cait sophie_m: i think it#s currently only used in UNIMARC for cataloguing
14:33 jcamins You'll have to just translate the French to English, I think.
14:33 jcamins sophie_m: that's not a default category.
14:32 sophie_m hello : could someone send me the list of languages to load as authorised value LANG in authroised_values table in english (I've only got it in french). Thank you
14:32 jcamins I think I mostly use yr,gt:2000, but possibly I've used that feature, too.
14:29 wahanui the date range is in the item record and nengard's records don't have items
14:29 cait and the date range
14:29 cait I never use the search options I think, only the limits
14:28 cait and searching for new books using date range
14:28 cait same here
14:27 jcamins Occasionally I do it for limiting.
14:27 jcamins Oh, you're right.
14:27 oleonard When I do it's usually to limit by collection code (which in my library means audience+format)
14:26 jcamins You know, I don't think I ever used the advanced search screen on the OPAC.
14:25 jcamins Hehe.
14:25 oleonard I don't know, after the screenshots started my eyes started to hurt and I left
14:25 jcamins oleonard: how to AltaVista and Lycos stack up? :P
14:18 oleonard Ha, I Googled for studies on advanced search form usability and found a report from 1999 comparing HotBot, AltaVista, and Lycos!
13:56 cait yeah
13:56 oleonard I like getting suggestions about accessibility, but I don't like hearing them second-hand. It'd be nice to have a discussion on the list
13:56 cait oleonard: btw - I have a bug reported for the bad behaviour of koha here... somewhre in bugzilla
13:55 cait :)
13:55 cait but if we need it, yours doesn't look bad
13:55 cait oleonard: hm, I think I like it better the way it is
13:54 cait drojf: the discussion is about the more and fewer options
13:54 drojf and i think if i want to be able to change this, i have an advanced search page to do that
13:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8712 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , We should use WAI-ARIA guidelines to help with accessibility -OMNIBUS bug
13:54 oleonard How I might style it: http://screencast.com/t/AHX9xhM2
13:54 cait bug 8712
13:53 oleonard I can see the accessibility argument that the fields need labels though. Not sure how important it is
13:53 drojf no idea what bug you are talking about but +1 from me. everything else than default "and" is crazy and useless and makes me angry
13:52 oleonard Yeah I wouldn't expect an inexperienced user to think they would get an "OR" search
13:52 cait I think?
13:52 cait if you enter more than one term... you want your results to have both
13:51 cait I think it's what people expect, so we don't need to show it
13:51 cait and would it work with the cloning of fields? I have only taken a short look at the codeand your comment
13:51 oleonard What do you think about adding "and" to the basic form? Useful? Too much information?
13:50 cait no you are doing good
13:50 oleonard I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. I feel like I'm coming off as belligerent in that bug
13:49 cait I commented on the bug. - I had a library requesting this for a project... no fun.
13:49 cait oleonard: the preselected new search terms is a really bad idea
13:44 cait if the project books are a special part of the collection, you could give them a separate itemtype
13:44 gerundio have you been faced with this problem before?
13:43 gerundio so, the exception is that if I checkout one of this project books I can have them for unlimited (or a lot longer period) time
13:43 cait hm if you can't use different itemtypes, you will have to use the specify due date feature and or different patron accounts with different categories i think... something like that
13:42 gerundio and bought a few books which are given to the library and are a part of the catalogue
13:41 gerundio on another perspective I'm also doing reaserch on some project
13:41 gerundio I'm assign to a teacher patron category which allows me to do 15 checkouts for a loan period of 150 days
13:40 gerundio so just picture this, lets say I'm a teacher here at the faculty
13:39 WaylonR I'll hold.
13:39 gerundio sorry, got a visit in office :s
13:39 WaylonR Yes, thats the best question.
13:38 cait gerundio: what is the rule?
13:38 WaylonR or two different branches?
13:38 WaylonR two different borrower categories?
13:37 gerundio we have this rule for books which are bought from our research projects
13:37 WaylonR okay... hmm... am i missing something here....
13:37 cait if you need more, maybe using the bsort statistics fields and/or patron attribures will help
13:36 cait the category dictates the issuing rules
13:36 cait no
13:36 gerundio 2nd question: is it possible to assign two different categories for a single patron?
13:36 cait I have to do some reading now - will be bck later :)
13:36 cait as I said, adding some local jquery should work I think to give you a link
13:36 cait yeah I understand
13:35 gerundio but this feature is low priority, so I wouldn't get the expectations too high
13:35 gerundio that's our premise too, like the LDAP patch :)
13:34 cait and jquery would also be a way to do it safe
13:33 cait so change once ... and get it in standard koha before your next update
13:32 cait because it would be nice
13:32 cait i was thinking giving that back as a new feature :)
13:32 cait yep
13:32 gerundio but our premise around here is "use what's provided on the official package so we can reduce maintenance costs over time"
13:32 cait hm hope that makes sense
13:31 cait that should not be so hard
13:31 cait url
13:31 cait you could enhance the patron attributes to have a new option for an ulr
13:31 cait hm or
13:31 cait because only a link in the field will still require copy and paste
13:31 cait and do some jquery magic to make the informatoin appear as a link and add the fixed part there
13:31 cait I think easiest way to do is safe it into the database
13:30 cait heh
13:30 gerundio I know
13:30 cait and free software
13:30 cait well everything is possible - it's open source :)
13:30 gerundio not ^
13:30 gerundio ok, so the straight answer is "no possible" :D
13:30 cait you will have to use jquery, to add the anchor tag anyway
13:30 cait you could use jquery to do that
13:30 cait ah
13:29 gerundio library staff want a direct link from the koha patron details screen to our own academic record where there are additional details
13:29 cait but if the fixed part is fixed...
13:29 cait yep I know
13:29 gerundio the borrower URL was just ment as an example
13:28 cait in display?
13:28 cait couldn't the system using the value just add it?
13:28 cait I mean if the part is fix for all borrowers... do you really need to have it there?
13:28 gerundio but I got asked about this
13:28 gerundio I know this is far fetched
13:28 cait what do you want to use that for?
13:27 gerundio and the borrowernumber would come from a field in LDAP
13:27 gerundio lets assume the fixed URL part is http://koha:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=
13:26 gerundio the doubt here is if the field can be a sum of a fixed part + a value from LDAP
13:25 gerundio yes, I'll be testing that later on
13:25 cait you could also always reuse one of the existing fields I think
13:25 cait you can define your own patron attributes in koha but I think there is a patch waiting for sign off to make this work with ldap
13:24 cait i am not sure I understand what you want/need to do
13:24 gerundio is it possible to extend the patron's profile with a new attribute who's value would be a contatenation of a fixed URL + an id mapped from LDAP?
13:23 gerundio we have an in-house academic managment system with all our to-be patron details
13:22 gerundio earlier I was saying that
13:22 gerundio lets see if I can post my questions now :)
13:22 cait yes
13:22 gerundio cait, drojf, wahanui still around?
13:20 gerundio all universities in Portugal just suffered a internet outage :|
13:20 gerundio ... and back
13:11 WaylonR other than not show them locations available.
13:11 WaylonR yes.... but yea.. can't see how to stop users from seeing that other branches exist.
13:11 cait items table from the database in details
13:11 WaylonR right.
13:10 cait xslt in results
13:10 cait hm not strictly only the xslt
13:10 WaylonR locations available.
13:10 WaylonR since thats an output of XSLT right?
13:10 WaylonR cait, so, in your case... hmm.. yeah, in searches, you'd be restricted to items in your specific branch or branches allocated. But you'd see that they are in other branches you don't have access to.
12:58 cait trying :) but I guess it does :)
12:58 cait hm
12:57 WaylonR make sense, cait?
12:57 WaylonR and system creates an item or items in the branches accordingly.
12:57 WaylonR each time we enter a article in, it gets the journal inputted.
12:56 WaylonR so.... we have a journal table, that says what branches a journal belongs to.
12:56 WaylonR so... journals have volumes, then issues, then articles.
12:55 wahanui waylon is, like, the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for Mandumah.com, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10
12:55 WaylonR waylon?
12:55 WaylonR hmm.. heres an explaination of our library..
12:55 WaylonR and items get automatically created accordingly.
12:54 * jcamins heads into the city.
12:54 WaylonR all our pdfs get given branches to belong to.
12:54 WaylonR not sure how to handle that.
12:53 WaylonR records without any items.. ah.. don't show up.. yeah, didn't think about that.
12:53 cait oh, and records without any items (serials)
12:52 cait do you see the items of other branches on the records? we were discussing ways to limit to the library only at work
12:52 WaylonR so.. that means home branch of an item?
12:52 WaylonR yes, cait.. it searches based on branch:
12:51 WaylonR And, if multiple library searching mode is on, they get the abilty to select via checkboxes on a dropdown, which libraries to do a search on, in advanced search.
12:51 jcamins Which is not reasonable at all.
12:51 jcamins Well- reasonable for this apartment.
12:51 jcamins My electrical bill is almost reasonable this month.
12:51 cait WaylonR: sounds good :) whatabout records with items from mulitple libraries?
12:50 cait we were discussing dom and indexing questions earlier
12:50 WaylonR then, once the user is logged in, if they have been given access to other libraries, in secure mode, they are able to search their branch + assigned others, assigned by branchcode extended attributes.
12:50 cait hi gmcharlt :)
12:50 gmcharlt good morning
12:49 magnuse ooh...
12:49 huginn magnuse: Not yet - wait 27 days
12:49 magnuse @arewethereyet
12:49 jcamins Now you can submit a patch. :)
12:49 cait oleonard++
12:49 cait and your many patches!
12:49 cait it's good to see you
12:49 cait hey oleonard :)
12:48 WaylonR yup
12:48 jcamins You told me about this.
12:48 jcamins Right.
12:48 jcamins Oh.
12:48 WaylonR so, from one koha install, one koha db, one apache server, multiple virtuhosts can equal multiple libraries, and those libraries, unless the user is logged in, will only be able to access their own records.
12:48 jcamins WaylonR: what does it do?
12:47 WaylonR Oh yeah! my secure search mod works well.
12:46 oleonard Hi #koha
12:39 magnuse i followed the two steps at the very bottom here to generate the dom config : http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switching_to_dom_indexing
12:38 jcamins koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl is still used.
12:38 jcamins Right.
12:38 magnuse this is also involved: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/xsl/koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl;hb=HEAD
12:37 jcamins That's the one.
12:37 magnuse WaylonR: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/maintenance/make_zebra_dom_cfg_from_record_abs;hb=HEAD
12:36 jcamins WaylonR: misc/maintenance/grs1-to-dom or something like that.
12:36 jcamins Once the configuration has been created and signed off, DOM configs will necessarily start diverging.
12:36 magnuse jcamins: thanks
12:36 jcamins magnuse: right.
12:36 WaylonR how do i get this GRS-1 to DOM script?
12:35 magnuse jcamins: "The GRS-1 to DOM script should *never* be run again" --> that is once we start editing and improving the dom config?
12:34 jcamins It replaces indexing configuration.
12:34 jcamins Right.
12:34 WaylonR ah? dom only replaces record.abs?
12:34 jcamins WaylonR: you can keep your bib1.att and ccl.properties files.
12:33 WaylonR so yea.. an automated conversion process would be much appreciated.
12:32 cait so I think I misunderstood what you wrote to the list earlier
12:32 WaylonR custom record.abs, modified bib1.att, and ccl.properties.
12:32 cait ah
12:32 jcamins Which, granted, is probably going to be pretty common.
12:32 jcamins Unless someone has a custom record.abs they want to keep.
12:31 * WaylonR has a GRS-1 custom config that i need to convert.
12:31 jcamins The GRS-1 to DOM script should *never* be run again.
12:31 jcamins magnuse: just a starting point.
12:31 magnuse jcamins: is that conversion just a starting point, or will we continue to generate the dom configs from the grs-1 config?
12:30 jcamins WaylonR: we already did that. It wasn't that hard.
12:29 cait bcause that means not making use of the dom features we want?
12:29 cait the problem is we don't want to convert them the way they are... I guess
12:29 cait that's been done I think
12:29 WaylonR how difficult is it to convert all the GRS-1 configs, to DOM?
12:27 jcamins And a lot more.
12:26 WaylonR DOM supports all the features of GRS-1?
12:26 jcamins I was hopeful it would be fixed as part of the DOM indexing project.
12:26 jcamins Yes, I would love to have it fixed.
12:26 tcohen its friday!
12:25 tcohen morning #koha!
12:25 WaylonR But sooner or later, someone will notice, someone will complain, and we'll have to have a fix.
12:25 WaylonR Or didn't know who to complain to.
12:24 WaylonR or never had the will to complain.. "oh.. huh.. doesn't work. Okay.. hrm."
12:24 jcamins Exactly.
12:23 WaylonR and patrons didn't really mind the problem enough to complain.
12:23 WaylonR sounds like the librarians never tried the flag.
12:22 cait I never got any bug report about it
12:22 cait but they don't
12:22 cait I agre
12:22 cait you wouldn't think that
12:22 cait WaylonR: I think most libraires don't notice
12:22 jcamins Libraries that only have a single copy of a given book aren't affected.
12:22 WaylonR how has libraries, such as HLT, coped without it?
12:21 cait WaylonR: I think we agree with you...
12:21 WaylonR wow.. i would of thougth that bug was a huge bug... as in critical.
12:20 jcamins I think changing everything to understand onloan being set to a true value that isn't a date would be just as problematic as fixing the indexes.
12:20 cait that's why I mant: not have a date
12:20 cait yeah
12:20 jcamins cait: item types have data.
12:19 cait where is the big difference here?
12:19 cait I was thinking about the itemtype limits
12:19 cait jcamins: oh?
12:19 cait becuse it has a date... so when there is one onloan field in the record that is not having a date... it would bring it up
12:19 jcamins The best we can do with GRS-1 is limit to records that do not have any checked out items.
12:19 cait something stupid?
12:18 cait and what if we said something like... onloan not starting with 2?
12:18 jcamins cait: we can't do that.
12:18 cait ok, you would kick out electronic and serials this way, but it would do somewhat would you expcet
12:18 cait limit the search to records, that have at least one entry with onloan being empty?
12:17 magnuse sounds liek we should comment it out in the template until someone gets around to fixing it then
12:17 cait so what should it do?
12:17 jcamins At that point, it will merely be very difficult.
12:17 cait hm
12:17 jcamins It is impossible to make it work with GRS-1, and making it work with DOM will be impractical at least until I've finished the funded parts of the search rewrite.
12:17 cait :(
12:16 magnuse :-(
12:16 jcamins magnuse: very hard.
12:15 magnuse jcamins: very popular or very hard to fix?
12:15 cait but can't leave it like it is
12:15 jcamins cait: very.
12:15 cait it's a popular feature in opacs
12:15 cait I am more for fixing it... but not sure how hard itis
12:15 cait do I want to ask? probably not
12:15 magnuse fix it or remove it (temporarily), i'd say
12:15 cait :(
12:14 jcamins cait: that would make sense, but that's not what it does.
12:14 jcamins cait: I think we should, yes.
12:13 cait or not being?
12:13 cait jcamins: what's the big problem? shouldn't it just limit onloan being something?
12:13 magnuse sounds like it
12:12 cait jcamins: maybe we should hide it :(
12:12 magnuse jcamins: a signoff would be great :-)
12:11 jcamins Not in GRS-1 or DOM.
12:11 jcamins Period.
12:11 jcamins mtj: "Limit to available" doesn't work.
12:10 * jcamins_away should sign off on 8805 once that happens.
12:10 magnuse jcamins_away: ok, i'll obsolete my patch
12:09 jcamins_away magnuse: yes.
12:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8665 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , DOM indexing fails to index some bib records
12:08 jcamins_away bug 8665
12:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8805 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Add a biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for NORMARC
12:08 jcamins_away bug 8805
11:04 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
11:04 magnuse @later tell jcamins bug 8805 needs a new patch when your new patch on bug 8665 gets pushed, right?
11:02 magnuse probably
10:57 drojf i suppose he meant to ask his people and not us then?
10:43 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask.
10:43 drojf ask?
10:41 gerundio I have some questions to check if I can manage to do some things in Koha
10:41 cait hm?
10:41 gerundio ok, now the fun part of the meeting
10:32 gerundio and I don't think it caught w3's eye yet
10:31 * magnuse had not seen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Interface_patterns before
10:30 gerundio don't really know if this as that much publicity close to web developers' communities
10:30 gerundio take a look at the overall chart http://www.colblindor.com/2010/01/13/coloradd-a-color-coding-system/
10:30 gerundio don't really know
10:29 drojf but is that "the standard" or "one standard"? what is w3c saying about it?
10:28 gerundio our subway system for line identification
10:28 gerundio this new color identification system is already being ported to cloth info tags
10:27 gerundio http://coloradd.net
10:27 gerundio from what I can tell it looks like it's going to be big
10:26 gerundio just yesterday, during that meeting with our library coordinator, I was introduced to this new color codes for colorblind people
10:25 gerundio nice :)
10:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8712 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , We should use WAI-ARIA guidelines to help with accessibility -OMNIBUS bug
10:24 cait bug 8712
10:23 cait ther is a bug to improve accessibility with some ongoig work
10:22 gerundio not really cait, I meant usability for the amblyopic (I hope Google Translator got this one right :p) and color blind for instance
10:20 cait but I think that is not exactly what you were asking about?
10:20 cait and oleonard described them on the wiki
10:20 cait gerundio: there are some design patterns
10:20 gerundio :)
10:19 drojf i like when people feel they have to label their koha-questions "off-topic" in #koha :P
10:18 gerundio off-topic: is Koha's UI built around any usability guidelines?
10:13 cait oh yep
10:13 drojf which reminds me i should write something up about our workshop
10:13 WaylonR thanks cait
10:13 wahanui rumour has it hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :)
10:13 WaylonR hackfest?
10:13 WaylonR hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :)
10:13 cait and I think biblibre helped setting up the servers with patches for them to test
10:12 cait but I guess more the system librarians, having knowledge how to test
10:12 drojf still its very nerdy, not something like the "main" kohacon
10:12 wahanui WaylonR: I forgot hackfest
10:12 WaylonR wahanui, forget hackfest
10:12 WaylonR huh?
10:12 wahanui hackfest is probably slowly seing hackers leaving...
10:12 WaylonR hackfest?
10:11 drojf i didnt know that
10:11 drojf cool
10:11 wahanui it has been said that translating is ok of course :)
10:11 cait and translating
10:11 drojf ah ok
10:11 cait quite a lot of them actually
10:11 cait hm they had librarians testing last time
10:11 drojf we have a regular hackfest in france (organized by biblibre) but apart from that there is not much inner-european stuff going on as far as i can tell. and the hackfest is nothing a "normal" librarian would visit i suppose. there are local workshops of course.
10:11 WaylonR Right now, alone, its hard to get motivated. I got so many tasks to port to current, and so little motivation.
10:10 cait it's the best koha hacking :)
10:10 WaylonR Group motivated koha hacking, yeah!
10:10 * WaylonR nods. "Would love a Koha hackcon in Wellington someday/week.
10:08 gerundio here are their guidelines http://drupal.org/community
10:08 gerundio from what I can tell their community as events worldwide as is working as one
10:07 gerundio drojf, community fragmentation is always a risk in those cases, but if I remember it correctly, Drupal pulled it off
10:01 WaylonR Couchsurfing = Free accomodation in exchange for.. well.. being yourself.
10:01 drojf anyway, we could try to revive that european thing. i remember paul_p and rafael from portugal came to me to talk about it. maybe have a european section on the website and try to have more "local" events, things like that. as long as it is not about fragmenting the community (like having a european google groupâ€¦) i think that would not be a bad idea
10:01 WaylonR omg! Reno, Nevada, is a huge place for couch surfing.
09:59 WaylonR yea, which is the reason most beneficaries don't earn money. Too difficult to manage.
09:58 cait this sounds really complicated
09:57 * WaylonR idly wonders how much such a trip could cost...
09:57 WaylonR And as my org only uses a porton of Koha, may not see the relevance of me going to Con. Also, it would be classed as income, the travel and accom... and nz social security would count it as such, then adjust my benefit for the year accordingly, penalising me for it.
09:55 cait lol
09:55 * drojf hides
09:55 drojf i wish we could have a stream. it would be so important for all koha users in the european world
09:55 cait :(
09:54 WaylonR Since im not able to go for money reasons.
09:54 WaylonR would be fantastic.
09:53 magnuse WaylonR: depends on the bandwidth of the venue too, i think
09:53 drojf would be nice of course
09:53 gerundio my parents still speak a little German from time to time
09:53 drojf WaylonR: ask the hosts?
09:53 cait I don't know - gues sit depends on the costs and the host
09:52 WaylonR hmm.. kohacon 2013... whats the chances of getting livestream/ustream.tv feeds set up for the talks?
09:51 cait but... sticking with english is probably a lot easier
09:50 cait we can teach you :P
09:50 gerundio drojf, I grew up in Portugal
09:50 cait ah
09:50 gerundio so I never picked up any German at all
09:49 gerundio and my parents always talked Portuguese around the house
09:49 drojf did you grow up here?
09:49 gerundio I left at a very young age
09:49 gerundio no cait :(
09:49 gerundio I still have family in KÃ¶ln
09:49 cait gerundio: du sprichst deutsch? :)
09:48 cait ignore drojf
09:48 drojf it's overrated ;)
09:48 gerundio it's been almost 30 years since I've left and never got back
09:48 gerundio I was thinking to go to Germany as a matter of fact
09:48 gerundio I'm trying to plan my next long course vacation trip
09:47 magnuse nz++
09:47 magnuse well, no reason to argue - whoever volunteers to host it first is the winner!
09:47 gerundio I'm sure I would
09:47 cait it's lovely there, you would like it
09:47 gerundio cait, I think you want some far away vacation :p
09:47 magnuse lol
09:47 cait heh
09:47 drojf yeah, eurokohacon in nz \o/
09:46 cait we should do it in nz again
09:45 * gerundio was born in Germany too actually :D
09:45 cait I hink we have too many countries in europe... we can argue about this forever :)
09:45 gerundio Portugal is nice and an entry point in Europe
09:45 drojf :P
09:45 cait see that dagger i nmy back...
09:44 cait not sure...
09:44 drojf i am in germany all the time. and southern germany is not central at all :P i vote for northern norway or portugal. or croatia ;)
09:43 magnuse was that cait volunteering to organize i heard?
09:43 magnuse yay
09:42 cait we shoul dhave one in Germany... it's nice and central... ;)
09:42 cait hm
09:40 magnuse a EuroKohaCon?
09:39 drojf someone at kohacon wanted to da a european koha thing, maybe in portugal
09:38 drojf which reminds me
09:38 gerundio well, you won't have the chance to visit sunny Portugal this time
09:38 gerundio I was hoping it was a more general one :)
09:37 gerundio I see is just a Portguese community event
09:26 magnuse cool
09:26 cait ah, there you go :)
09:25 gerundio I found this reference online: http://www.koha.pt/?p=60
09:25 cait me neither - maybe there is somethong on the spanish speaking mailing list?
09:24 * magnuse has not heard about it
09:24 gerundio does anyone has any info on that?
09:24 gerundio during a meeting with our faculty librabry coordinator I was told that a Koha community event is going to take place in Portugal, in the capital Lisbon I guess, sometime this year
09:24 cait hi Oak :)
09:24 magnuse Oak - gah, not quick enough... :-)
09:23 gerundio hi everyone, good morning
09:22 Oak kittens will be fine. yes.
09:21 Oak Guten tag cait
09:21 Oak magnuse
09:20 * Oak waves
09:08 * magnuse hopes fredericd can figure out the problem with the nb-NO prefs file
09:07 magnuse mistakes can be improved later :-)
08:55 mveron Thanks :-) I hope I did not to much mistakes :-)
08:54 cait that is awesome
08:54 cait just discovered how far the gemran translation already is
08:54 cait hi mveron!
08:54 mveron Hi #koha
08:25 cait drojf++ mveron++ and all other translators I might have missed
08:23 drojf hi cait
08:19 cait good morning drojf
08:18 drojf good morning #koha
07:49 cait hi magnuse :)
07:49 magnuse kia ora cait
07:45 cait hi #koha
07:24 matts hi !
07:24 sophie_m hi #koha
07:23 wahanui hola, reiveune
07:23 reiveune hello
07:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0Â°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0Â°C. Windchill: -1.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985 hPa (Steady).
07:12 magnuse @wunder boo
07:12 wahanui bonjour, clrh_
07:12 clrh_ hello
07:05 * magnuse waves
06:46 julian_m hello
06:36 alex_a_ bonjour
06:25 mtj or phrased another wayâ€¦ does anyone have a DOM koha, with 'limit to available items' searches working?
06:24 mtj .
06:23 mtj ive just done a fresh make/make install, so the latest zebra/dom files are def. current
06:19 mtj â€¦ anyone else spotted this/knows how it fix it, etc?
06:19 mtj the same 'availability' search seems to work OK using the old GRS1 stuff
06:18 mtj "19:17:28-26/10 zebrasrv(4) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @and @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 quest @and @not @attr 1=_ALLRECORDS @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8024 @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8002 @attr 4=109 @attr 2=3 0"
06:18 mtj i get an ERROR from zebrasrv too, doing that search
06:17 mtj hmm, i've got some weird OPAC behaviour with searching for 'available' items, on a koha 3.8.5, using DOM
06:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "The two students working on #kohails finished up for the year today, hope to see them back next year"
05:59 francharb :)
05:59 mtj .. after eating a few of those little hambuger things, and all that walking - i was feeling pretty sleepy too
05:59 francharb 0/ mtj
05:57 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke.
05:57 mtj heya francharb
05:51 francharb morning
04:54 mtj in that state, currently
04:54 mtj â€¦ theres no way for koha to know what your $library is
04:53 mtj probably nothing
04:28 WaylonR hiya all. SearchMyLibraryFirst ... what is it supposed to do in opac, with no userenv.. i.e no user logged in?
01:22 cait more fun!
01:22 jcamins Another cait?!?
01:20 jcamins lol
01:20 cjh hahaha
01:19 huginn rangi: Quote #221: "I used to be sane like you, until I took a MARC data to the knee" (added by chrisc at 09:28 PM, October 23, 2012)
01:19 rangi @quote get 221
01:19 rangi http://librarianfacts.tumblr.com/
01:11 * cait1 hides
01:11 jcamins_away cait1: why are you still awake?