Time Nick Message
23:59 jcamins Yes.
23:59 jcamins Ah.
23:59 drojf but that anything else is expressed by http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.1/build in the pref file ;)
23:58 jcamins The value of the variable will be "local" or anything else, respectively.
23:57 jcamins "included with Koha..." and "from Yahoo's own servers"
23:56 jcamins drojf: they are...
23:56 jcamins drojf: that's wrong.
23:56 jcamins drojf: no.
23:56 cait1 seems the german speaking community is awake late tonight
23:55 drojf the choices for the yuipath pref are "local" and "http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.1/build"? seriously?
23:53 mveron Good night everybody :-)
23:49 drojf that's odd. but good ;)
23:48 jcamins drojf: yes, and no, respectively.
23:47 drojf wasn't there an option to use jquery from a third party server? i can't seem to find it
23:44 cait1 oh
23:42 drojf why is yuipath (Use the Yahoo UI libraries included with koha/from yahoos server) a staff client preference? isn't that relevant for opac too?
23:38 drojf heh
23:38 jcamins [off] I think they've been listening to PTFS/LL.
23:38 drojf sounds like a great deal
23:37 jcamins My bank wants to charge me $48/year to keep my "free" checking account.
23:34 cait1 lol
23:34 * drojf slaps the socialnetworks 'feature' around with his tin foil hat
23:33 cait1 but taking a look at them, because it's interesting
23:33 cait1 nope in batches
23:33 jcamins cait1: are you closing them all one at a time?
23:26 * cait1 goes back to reading old bugs :P
23:26 jcamins cait1: the button says "new authority" :P
23:25 eythian drojf: they are whales
23:25 cait1 jcamins: seems like you only brought it back - it was there in 2004, apparently
23:25 cait1 trying to teach him more germs?
23:25 cait1 heh
23:24 drojf eythian: ich glaube orcas sind wale, keine haie :P
23:24 jcamins cait1: yes, that's what the new authority button is for. :P
23:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=828 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, New authority
23:24 cait1 bug 828 - you made it possible for 3.10 again :)
23:24 cait1 jcamins: In >Catalog>Add a biblio : it would be nice to have a popup (a new window), to create new authority, without get out the biblio.
23:21 drojf ibeardslee: i first understood they opened everything until i read the comments on raspberrypi.org. given that the (still closed) video stuff is needed to boot the device there is not that much won from my point of view. i would like to have a way to boot completely free and run it headless so everything else regarding graphics could go to hell anyway
23:20 cait1 hi eythian
23:20 eythian oh, hai.
23:18 cait1 and simple acq
23:18 cait1 and non marc cataloguing
23:18 cait1 and there used to be a page showing of new acq - we have different solutions now, but still sad
23:18 cait1 especially something like catmaintain - allowing to undo deletes of items and biblios
23:18 cait1 we should
23:17 jcamins We could revive some of them.
23:17 ibeardslee if I understand it correctly .. although the software to interact with the SoC is open source, the Soc itself is still closed
23:17 jcamins :(
23:17 cait1 sadly lots of cool features lost too over time
23:17 cait1 you learn lots of interesting things reading the old bugs
23:16 jcamins It sounds like a proprietary wireless card driver which is a bunch of source code shipped with a proprietary firmware.
23:15 jcamins Okay, now that I've read that, I don't understand what the difference is.
23:12 ibeardslee https://lwn.net/Articles/520930/
23:12 ibeardslee some discussion about that .. not 100% completely
23:09 jcamins Cool!
23:09 jcamins Ooh, Raspberry Pis are now actually open source?
23:08 drojf goodness. google plus one brings 485 extra lines javascript
23:06 jcamins cait++
23:05 cait1 http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVED&f1=days_elapsed&limit=0&list_id=44607&o1=greaterthan&query_format=advanced&resolution=FIXED&tweak=1&v1=184&query_based_on=&columnlist=component%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate
23:05 cait1 jcamins: 3345 bugs in your list now....
23:05 jcamins View a page => share on Facebook.
23:05 jcamins But the "Share on Facebook" button was stuck always-on.
23:04 jcamins And I've never actually enabled social networks to look at it.
23:04 jcamins cait1: I don't know exactly how it worked.
23:04 rangi not sure yet
23:04 rangi hm that was either wind or an earthquake
23:04 cait1 jcamins: what exactly is the facebook integration? it sounds scary
23:03 drojf the facebook thing in koha does not seem to do anything for me. does not load stuff from fb website, no cookie. or it hides behind the googleapis that i did not allow
23:03 jcamins Or, they did before you shared that Chrome plugin that blocks Facebook.
23:02 jcamins But when I look at a number of libraries' catalogs, those page views show up *on Facebook*.
23:02 rangi i liked it better when it was only enabled by cutting and pasting
23:02 drojf rangi: the piwik iframe is pretty ugly but it seems to work. if you wonder why you get a million optins and outs from a german ip, that would be me testing things ;)
23:01 jcamins I use Facebook.
23:01 jcamins Have I commented recently how much I hate the Facebook integration?
23:01 jcamins No it isn't.
23:01 jcamins lol
23:01 wahanui facebook is *not* a universal authenticator!
23:01 jcamins_away drojf: and Facebook.
23:00 rangi yep
23:00 drojf that privacy list is going to be endless. if you enable socialnetworks you get even more cookies
22:19 tcohen he, thanks again
22:18 tcohen Holds-to-pull
22:18 tcohen oh, thanks cait1, I can now resume translating!
22:18 cait1 the report is on the circulation start page
22:18 cait1 pull them off the shelf and return them to get the slip printed
22:17 cait1 htat's books on shelf you have to go and get
22:13 tcohen "Set the default start date for the Holds to pull list to" what 'pull' means in this context?
22:12 tcohen Hi, need help on the meaning of a phrase
22:04 bag ah cool orcas are pretty neat
21:52 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7861199/Orcas-spotted-in-Wellington-Harbour
21:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8834 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm
21:46 jenkins_koha mtompset: Bug 8834 - Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm
21:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #214: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/214/
21:44 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:44 eythian @later tell tcohen I don't think we should add it as a dependency: I think we should pull it into Koha. If we add it as a dep, it'll add a bunch of extra scripts that have the same namespace as scripts we provide but don't work the same way.
21:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8953 critical, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , opac-userupdate encoding issues
21:42 drojf bug 8953 went from report to stable in two days. koha_community++
21:38 drojf brb
21:36 drojf oops. i thought they altered the voice so it fits to the goblin. but it is the regular voice of the community coordinator
21:35 cait1 Bug 281 - Updating a child to an adult registration is diabolical
21:32 drojf "MediaGoblin is building the world's most beautiful and user-responsive media publishing future" awww that's cute
21:30 drojf i deleted that too. i'm complicated :D i use request policy but "normal" people say that my internet is not usable :D
21:30 rangi we could just use this for cover images :-)
21:29 rangi http://mediagoblin.org/pages/campaign.html
21:27 rangi i just use noscript
21:26 drojf i deleted ghostery after i learned that it was bought by a marketing company
21:25 rangi you should tell everyone to run ghostery :)
21:25 cait1 germanism suspected? :)
21:25 drojf if they know it is used ;)
21:25 cait1 drojf: heh
21:24 rangi :)
21:24 rangi yep, cept piwik lets users opt out
21:24 drojf (i bet that is no valid expression in english lol)
21:23 drojf nice, thanks. looks basically the same as google analytics in green
21:23 rangi </script>
21:23 rangi document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + pkBaseURL + "piwik.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E"));
21:23 rangi var pkBaseURL = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://piwik.koha-community.org/" : "http://piwik.koha-community.org/");
21:23 rangi <script type="text/javascript">
21:23 rangi just look for piwik.js
21:21 drojf rangi: i don't want to use it, i would like to know how the code in opacuserjs looks. so i can automatically detect if it is used
21:20 rangi its easy peasy
21:20 rangi yeah
21:20 drojf (or anyone else that was not around when i asked earlier)
21:19 drojf rangi: do you have experience with integrating piwik in opacuserjs?
21:18 drojf looked
21:18 drojf just guessing, never lokked at it
21:18 drojf closing time, opening time… done wrong?
21:18 maximep as of right now it seems that adding 3 hours to 17:30 on monday returns 10:30. I must be missing something
21:17 cait1 and no idea actually
21:16 cait1 hm
21:16 cait1 suhm
21:16 cait1 maybe a leftover thing for a specific library?
21:12 maximep and what's the meaning of the comment "# Staffs specific"
21:12 maximep makes no sense to me
21:12 maximep I don't understand why the code would set the hours to '10' if the previous day is a holiday
21:11 rangi :)
21:11 maximep I will just test is_holiday because I understand that one :p
21:11 maximep I just don't understand the code
21:11 maximep well, I give up at trying to add tests of the function Koha::Calendar::addDate
21:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #214 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8568 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages
21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8841 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Duedates set by Returnbeforeexpiry lack HH:MM
21:06 drojf on a closer look, the bootloader is still closed. at first i thought they opened everything which really would have surprised me
21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system
21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8907 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Last updated date does not appear on currency edit form
21:06 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 8568 - Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages
21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8953 critical, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , opac-userupdate encoding issues
21:06 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8841 Duedate should be set to end of expiry day
21:06 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: But 8787: don't load the page if OpacMaintenance is ON
21:06 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8849 - Error log generated when not a demo system
21:06 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8907 - Last updated date does not appear on currency edit form
21:06 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 8953 - opac-userupdate encoding issues
21:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #213: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/213/
21:04 drojf true :)
21:03 rhcl drojf: still, $35 USD is a very cheap monitor.
21:00 drojf s/coast/cost/
21:00 drojf rhcl: i was thinking about that too, but they coast almost what the pi costs. i have a digital picture frame somehwere that i want to try as a basic terminal thingy
20:59 cjh heh :)
20:59 cait1 cjh: yep, doing fun things!
20:58 cjh cait1: is that what you call a vacation?
20:58 rhcl http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-TFT-LCD-Color-Video-Car-Rearview-Headrest-Monitor-DVD-VCR-VCD-Backup-Camera-/270953408219?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item3f1614e6db
20:58 rhcl drojf: I'm going to buy something like this to hook up to the Pi
20:58 cait1 hehe I do
20:57 drojf you have weird hobbies
20:57 cait1 I am reading really old bugs for entertainment :)
20:57 cait1 [off] ok :)
20:56 drojf [off] expect benchmarks when i have my new model ;)
20:55 cait1 [off] um, maybe a bit much? how long does a page load take on them?
20:54 drojf [off] cait1: 50€ entrance fee and we could hand them out in wildau ;)
20:53 cjh it would be very cool 'open source running on open hardware, here have one'
20:52 cait1 :)
20:51 drojf readymade raspberry pi 512mb model running koha > livecd anytime. would also make cool giveaways for conventions ;)
20:47 cjh the koha on an rpi plan comes closer..
20:47 rangi https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/19/GgPUghUQJkm53Hkv_8-gvA2.png
20:47 rangi and for the parents in the #
20:47 drojf rangi: that's fantastic \o/
20:44 rangi drojf: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221
20:31 maximep hahahah
20:30 cait1 a pillow for th desk would help, but not sure about the screaming :)
20:30 cait1 oh
20:30 maximep while shouting WHYYYYYYYYYY
20:29 maximep nah, but I bandage because i'm currently breaking my head on my desk
20:29 cait1 it always makes my head hurt and I need a paper calendar to scribble on when testing date related things :)
20:29 cait1 maximep: aspirin?
20:27 maximep aaaaaaaah testing dates/hours is harder than I tought -_-
20:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #213 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:08 jcamins_away maximep++
20:07 cait1 maximep++
20:07 rangi *nod*
20:07 maximep I might as well attach a few tests to reproduce the bug easily
20:07 rangi id mark it critical
20:07 rangi that would be nice to get in before 3.10
20:07 rangi :)
20:07 maximep time to open a new ticket =)
20:07 rangi scope issues are always tricky
20:07 maximep took me a while to track this one down!
20:06 rangi cool so yep we know the problem :)
20:06 cait1 :)
20:06 * cait1 hands out coffee and cookies to do something useful
20:06 maximep yay, it works =)
20:06 rangi try that
20:06 rangi yeah good idea
20:06 maximep maybe if I dt->clone ?
20:05 maximep I guess it's a ref to the ref
20:05 maximep same problem with localdt
20:05 jcamins_away I think that patch may fix the issue you describe as a side effect. I am not certain though.
20:04 rangi maximep++
20:04 rangi thanks
20:04 maximep ok, will do
20:04 rangi try to track down what is causing the issue
20:03 rangi id try the little assign test first
20:03 rangi yeah
20:03 maximep looks like a big rewrite
20:03 rangi hmm sounds plausible
20:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8800 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
20:03 maximep I wonder if bug 8800 would help
20:03 maximep looking at bug reports
20:03 maximep yeah, easy enough to test all those
20:02 cait1 bye oleonard :)
20:02 rangi cya oleonard
20:02 * oleonard waves goodbye til tomorrow
20:01 rangi then we know its a scope issue
20:01 rangi then truncate localdt instead, if that fixes your issue
20:01 cait1 maximep: you can fix that :) the tests I mean
20:01 rangi my $localdt = $dt;
20:01 rangi maximep: try this
20:00 maximep I wish there wasn't tests of those functions only for 'days' unit :/
20:00 rangi $dt is a ref
19:59 rangi nope
19:59 maximep ah, ok, will search bz
19:59 maximep isn't dt a local variable to that sub ?
19:59 maximep but I have no idea why it would change the values of the current Date object :S
19:59 rangi i think there is a bug reported for that already
19:58 maximep it seems calling is_holiday removes the hours because of the line "$dt->truncate( to => 'day' );"
19:58 maximep code is the same on master as in my 3.8.5
19:57 cait1 maximep: is your problem on master or a latest 3.8? there has been lots work done touching this recently I think
19:57 rangi maximep: colin campbell knows that code pretty well, maybe comment on the bug (or make a new one) and make sure he is cced
19:55 maximep I have a major bug, but I don't know enough perl OO to really understand some parts :S
19:55 maximep anyone has experience with the code in Koha::Calendar ?
19:52 cait1 :)
19:45 rangi you can run, but you can never escape
19:45 rangi heh
19:43 oleonard "Chris Cormack, Version 1.2 Release Manager!" :)
19:40 rangi i love the wayback machine
19:40 rangi http://web.archive.org/web/20030201230853/http://www.think-linux.net/confprogram.php
19:39 rangi however the bus ride from toledo to cleveland was interesting
19:39 rangi hehe toledo was definitely the least exciting
19:38 oleonard An exciting Ohio tour!
19:36 rangi columbus, then athens, then toledo, then cleveland
19:36 rangi i was actually in toledo for halloween that year
19:35 bag I went to athens in 1999 for halloween - it was a lot of fun
19:33 rangi from 2002
19:33 rangi i still have the tshirt
19:33 rangi oh i remember that
19:31 cait1 oh
19:31 oleonard So the kids trick-or-treat doesn't coincide with the drunken Halloween fest the college students put on
19:30 oleonard Ah, here's the link. this is why: http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/imagesGalleries.php?action=viewGallery&gal_id=50
19:27 cait1 yes, why? :)
19:27 cait1 :)
19:27 oleonard (yes I know, why do they trick-or-treat six days early?)
19:27 wahanui tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today.
19:27 rangi tomorrow?
19:27 oleonard Very nice weather, and beautiful fall color too. Should be a nice day for trick-or-treating tomorrow.
19:26 cait1 ok, oleonard wins :)
19:26 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 25.0°C (3:20 PM EDT on October 24, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
19:26 oleonard @wunder 45701
19:24 cait1 berlin wins
19:24 cait1 surprisingly
19:21 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on October 25, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
19:21 rangi @wunder nzwn
19:21 cait1 5 difference
19:21 huginn cait1: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on October 24, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
19:21 cait1 @wunder Konstanz
19:17 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 13.1°C (9:13 PM CEST on October 24, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
19:17 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
19:15 cait1 then it should work I think
19:15 cait1 oleonard: you have to remember to set up a anonymous user for it
19:14 oleonard I asked ByWater about whether their customers used the bulk anonymization tool and they said yes, so I guess that one is working
19:13 cait1 but interested in your results :)
19:13 cait1 oleonard: too scared to try
19:13 rangi have never tried it
19:13 oleonard Bulk patron deletions (cleanborrowers.pl)... Anyone doing them? Safe?
19:10 rhcl I see a need for Koha to db all the 3d printer images...but it's lunch time, so I'm off
19:09 drojf yeah, my first thought was someone at google printing your girlfriend or boyfriend
19:08 rhcl bit wierd, si?
19:08 rhcl yea, but to walk around, and, an example from somebody's tweet, find a pretty girl, take an image, and print her out...
19:05 drojf i see google gathering data about everything you see. but that's only me ;)
19:03 rhcl google glasses can generate data for 3d printers from what they see? I see some potential in this.
19:02 rangi or she might swap with cjh
19:02 cait1 ah nice :)
19:02 rangi gonna be between me and kathryn
19:02 rangi the space in front of mine, she is getting a new desk
19:01 cait1 which desk is for liz? :)
19:00 cait1 big room
19:00 rangi and my desk
18:59 rangi nope just letters
18:59 cait1 is that a koha lamp?
18:59 cait1 oh
18:59 cait1 I was not sure, so I asked :)
18:59 rangi https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/8119889565/in/photostream
18:59 rangi hmm do we?
18:59 rangi oh right
18:58 cait1 about why the bug changes to closed fixed
18:58 rangi hm what?
18:57 cait1 do we want to add a general comment?
18:57 cait1 looking at the interface for the batch editing
18:57 cait1 oook
18:56 cait1 wb
18:55 rangi back
18:46 rhcl icic
18:46 cait1 :)
18:43 cait1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_white
18:43 * jcamins finishes up his cataloging, heads out.
18:42 rhcl Think I'm outta the loop--disregard me
18:41 rhcl flat whites = white shoes with flat soles?
18:41 cait1 coffee
18:41 cait1 rhcl: ?
18:40 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Acquisitions in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/2hS0RMLN #kohails"
18:40 rhcl shoes?
18:38 cait1 flat whites.
18:38 cait1 mmh
18:37 rangi Flat white time bbiab
18:34 rangi And when it's done I turn mail back on
18:34 cait1 I will look into the functionality now
18:34 rangi You hit submit
18:34 cait1 aaah
18:34 rangi I disable mail
18:34 rangi Then warn me
18:33 rangi Do a search then you can choose modify multiple
18:33 cait1 so how could we do it?
18:33 cait1 hm or that
18:33 rangi Nope but I'd rather turn off mails and batch do it
18:32 cait1 and do you want to turn of emails for that? or better wait?
18:32 cait1 starting from bug number 2
18:32 cait1 rangi: would you be opposed to me manually closing soome bugs?
18:31 cait1 :)
18:31 rangi Maker spaces are cool
18:30 rhcl but hey, the next presentation is makerspaces, and it should be good. Pretty good attendance so far too.
18:28 rangi Yeah and just use star ratings
18:28 rhcl I think most people just want to dump off their returns and get on with the show
18:27 rhcl [off] personally, seems like a weak idea (voting a book "awesome" by putting your return books in an "awesome" return box) to me
18:26 jcamins Just, you know, it wouldn't do much. :/
18:26 * jcamins suspects the audience member is correct.
18:26 jcamins Ah.
18:26 rhcl donno, there was just an audience suggestion that they might be open to integrating the idea.
18:25 jcamins How would bibliocommons' involvement help? It's at checkin that you need support.
18:24 jcamins But a discovery layer.
18:24 jcamins A very cool discovery layer.
18:24 jcamins But bibliocommons is a discovery layer.
18:22 rhcl suggestion they would be open to the idea
18:22 jcamins [off] Kuali OLE: now with even less functionality.
18:22 rhcl some passing mention of bibliocommons IRT integrating "awesome" voting with the ILS
18:21 cait1 [off] kuali ole: $2.38 million from Mellon matched by capital and in-kind contributions by development partners *sigh*
18:21 gmcharlt oleonard++
18:21 oleonard gmcharlt: All at once is okay, I'll save the cookies for later.
18:21 rangi Ah well fudders will fud
18:21 gmcharlt wahanui: you should be -- you still haven't hit the singularity, you slacker!
18:20 wahanui gmcharlt: sorry...
18:20 gmcharlt wahanui: just not all at once
18:20 wahanui the brains that make Koha grow and get better. Give them cookies. Lots of cookies. And possibly beer.
18:20 rangi Developers
18:20 rangi Catalyst has 125 developee
18:20 rangi Which means his point is invalid as his terms are flawed
18:19 cait1 [off] and catalyst has a typo
18:19 oleonard He meant "You know, commercial commercial"
18:19 jcamins I saw that.
18:19 cait1 [off] the list of companies involved doesn't even cover the companies listed in lib-web-cats
18:19 rhcl I think somebody mentioned yesterday that Millennium was trying to pass itself off as being "more open"
18:19 rangi Yep
18:19 jcamins rangi: mbreeding said that. I presume he meant "proprietary."
18:19 * cait1 hands rangi coffee
18:19 jcamins If we imitated Millennium, that'd be a pretty major flaw.
18:19 rangi Koha is commercial
18:18 * jcamins agrees with that- have you seen Millennium?
18:18 rangi Lol
18:18 rhcl sorry, don't have the context for this. "The open source ILS options are flawed in that merely mimic the commercial vendors."
18:18 jcamins rangi: we were just saying it's a shame that no one ever runs any statistics to find out how many developers Koha has.
18:17 rangi Hmm what did I miss?
18:17 rhcl Breeding: Old systems are damaging libraries
18:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Acquisitions in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/O2jbtHEX"
18:15 jcamins rhcl: unless the slide's heading (and I haven't looked) is "Koha developers employed by the three largest Koha support companies," it's probably misleading.
18:14 cait1 we really need a project statistics person... oh wait
18:14 gmcharlt oleonard: who could that be? </sarcasm>
18:14 rhcl Need to be careful w/ slides--the narrative to accompany them is really important to understanding the point
18:14 jcamins oleonard: that'd be great.
18:14 cait1 yeah
18:14 oleonard If only someone published regular statistics about how many people were working on Koha
18:13 jcamins an utter lack of shock.
18:13 * jcamins expresses...
18:13 cait1 estimating the developer count for koha based on bywater, catalyst and biblibre only?
18:13 cait1 slide 21 is weird
18:12 cait1 jcamins: hm ok
18:11 cait1 oleonard: agreed - but depending on the slides a bit. there are stil people reading pretty much from their slides
18:11 jcamins cait1: and do you _really_ think that mbreeding would provide a PDF?
18:11 oleonard My problem with the practice is that seeing someone's slides usually does you no good without audio of the talk
18:11 cait1 and if you don't have the extension you can't even open it in older versions of word
18:10 cait1 it's not a very portable format
18:10 cait1 for example
18:10 cait1 because pptx will look different when you open it in libreoffice
18:10 oleonard Nope
18:10 jcamins No, we're serious.
18:10 cait1 you are joking with me, right?
18:10 cait1 ?
18:09 oleonard cait1: Really? I would expect a Powerpoint with slides that allude to but do not include information about the content of the talk
18:09 jcamins Why?
18:09 jcamins cait1: really?
18:09 jcamins Sorry.
18:09 jcamins Why?
18:09 jcamins oleonard: really?
18:09 cait1 oleonard: heh :) I know - but I had expected a pdf
18:08 cait1 caser: you are welcome
18:08 drojf they are much higher in versions too
18:08 caser jcamins & cait1, thanks for the suggestions. I think I may be able to work something out with the self-checkout feature-- I didn't even realize that existed. Thanks!
18:08 oleonard :D
18:08 * jcamins suggests you upgrade to KOHA- the open source ILS everyone is always shouting about.
18:07 rhcl I'm in the wrong session--I should be listening to Marshall
18:07 oleonard Oh, next year's our 10-year anniversary with Koha. I wonder what we'll switch to?
18:07 oleonard PowerPoint version the-latest-whatever.
18:06 cait1 pptx?
18:06 cait1 [off] http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=17330
18:06 cait1 hm found his slides
18:05 jcamins lol
18:05 drojf or, livecd
18:05 drojf unfortunately some also keep the same version for 10 years :/
18:03 rhcl think I saw a tweet <don't quote me> that he had some stat indicating the average life of an ILS at a given location was 10 yrs
18:02 cait1 ah, that was @
18:02 cait1 rhcl: wow
18:02 cait1 ok, before I go and add this to a lot of bugs: Closing this bug, please file a new bug or reopen this one when problem still exists.
18:01 huginn rhcl: I suck
18:01 rhcl @mbreeding Libraries will keep ILS way more than 10 years once they are on open source ILS because they own it.
18:00 cait1 oleonard: i don't like icons - for me that is closed :P
17:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Need appropriate graphic for admin scripts
17:59 oleonard I don't know cait1, I think we may need to wait more time to see if Bug 2 is really fixed
17:59 cait1 hi libsysguy
17:57 caser I'm looking into this...
17:56 oleonard caser: You'll have to enable it in system preferences
17:56 oleonard caser: http:// your opac /cgi-bin/koha/sco/sco-main.pl
17:56 cait1 but there are some holes in the numbers
17:56 * mveron tried to upload a .csv file in the Qoute uploader tools/quotes-upload.pl, gets always Error 'Uploads limited to csv. Incorrect filetype: unknown". It seems that in JS evt.target.files[0].type is empty. Can anybody confirm?
17:55 caser I currently don't have self checkout. Is there a Koha interface for that?
17:55 cait1 it starts with bugs 1 - 13 and beyond
17:55 cait1 http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVED&f1=days_elapsed&limit=0&list_id=44607&o1=greaterthan&query_format=advanced&resolution=FIXED&v1=184&order=bug_id&query_based_on=
17:55 jcamins cait1: no, we don't.
17:55 * jcamins loves the way these two unrelated conversations are almost, but not quite, making sense as a single conversation.
17:55 cait1 hmmm jcamins- seems we have no history of closing bugs
17:54 cait1 rhcl: it works with barcodes or any other number
17:54 jcamins rhcl: actually, that was for caser, but I'm impressed they actually figured out how to deal with it.
17:54 rhcl selfcheckin, rather
17:53 rhcl yea, that was mentioned. If you have self checkout, then you need to have patrons put a big awsome sticker on the book that can be read by the machines
17:53 cait1 but you are probably right
17:53 cait1 hm I don't know
17:53 caser hmm
17:53 cait1 it's only an idea, others might shoot me down :)
17:53 jcamins cait1: but can't you see what you've checked out in the web self check?
17:53 cait1 ?
17:53 cait1 caser: maybe you could make use of the web self check
17:52 jcamins caser: not to my knowledge, no.
17:52 caser I am at a school library and want to respect students' privacy, but want to allow other student volunteers to help in the library by checking things in and out.
17:52 rhcl the one I'm in has an API that somehow gets books labeled as "awesome" and pushing that to the ILS
17:52 rhcl jcamins: don't know. that was in a presentation by marshall breeding
17:52 caser is there a way to allow someone access to the circulation features of the staff interface without being able to view patron's checkouts?
17:52 mveron Hi #koha
17:51 rhcl theres a presentation on patrons voting books as "awesome" or "not awesome" by returning books to a return box labled as such
17:51 jcamins rhcl: was there a lynching mob?
17:50 caser hi everyone
17:50 cait1 cool :)
17:50 rhcl http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Main_Page tweeted@ #internetlibrarian
17:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8834 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm
17:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8568 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages
17:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8841 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Passed QA , Duedates set by Returnbeforeexpiry lack HH:MM
17:34 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8834 - Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm
17:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Error log generated when not a demo system
17:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8907 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Last updated date does not appear on currency edit form
17:34 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 8568 - Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages
17:34 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8841 Duedate should be set to end of expiry day
17:34 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: But 8787: don't load the page if OpacMaintenance is ON
17:34 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8849 - Error log generated when not a demo system
17:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8953 critical, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , opac-userupdate encoding issues
17:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8907 - Last updated date does not appear on currency edit form
17:34 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 8953 - opac-userupdate encoding issues
17:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8890 blocker, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Packages can't be built on master, db dependent test
17:34 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 8890 - move two more db dependent tests
17:34 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8890: Koha::Borrower::Files shouldn't use db in BEGIN
17:34 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8890: don't try to load DB-dependent modules
17:34 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8890: C4/HoldsQueue requires DB
17:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #915: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/915/
17:34 cait1 I will wait until rangi is back
17:34 cait1 thx
17:34 cait1 cool
17:33 jcamins cait1: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVED&f1=days_elapsed&list_id=44602&o1=greaterthan&query_format=advanced&resolution=FIXED&v1=184&order=bug_severity%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0
17:32 cait1 jcamins: can you share your search for six months?
17:26 cait1 heh
17:26 cait1 i am on vacation!!
17:25 jcamins You should be doing schoolwork.
17:25 jcamins Tsk tsk.
17:25 jcamins Hm.
17:25 cait1 it's unlikely I will do something for the distance study course tonight
17:24 cait1 I would even volunteer to go through some manually first
17:24 cait1 we could do it in batches
17:24 jcamins *affected
17:24 jcamins The release script won't be effected at all, no.
17:23 jcamins cait1: there's a danger of it crushing rangi's linode.
17:23 cait1 the release note script will not be affected or will it?
17:23 * rangi is gone again
17:23 cait1 ok, negative side effects?
17:23 cait1 heh ok
17:22 jcamins I didn't actually have the page open when I said 3400.
17:22 jcamins cait1: I think because I misremembered the 30 days.
17:22 cait1 jcamins: why is the 6 months huger than the 30 days?
17:22 rangi 30 days seems fine to me, 6 months more than fine
17:21 jcamins 3715 bugs resolved more than six months ago.
17:21 gerundio cya tomorrow
17:21 cait1 rangi: what do you think about the idea in general?
17:21 jcamins It sure will.
17:21 jcamins Yes.
17:21 rangi cos otherwise that will suck hugely
17:21 rangi ill disable email
17:21 cait1 overnight?
17:21 rangi tell me before you do
17:21 jcamins We should do it overnight.
17:20 cait1 quick poll - someone against closing those?
17:20 jcamins Those were 3400 bugs marked RESOLVED-FIXED that haven't been touched in at least 30 days.
17:19 cait1 to quickly close some
17:19 cait1 with versions
17:19 cait1 we could narrow it down a bit more
17:19 cait1 hm
17:19 cait1 wow
17:18 jcamins 3400 bugs marked RESOLVED-FIXED.
17:18 jcamins Yeah, it'll take a long time.
17:18 cait1 still loading
17:17 jcamins cait1: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=RESOLVED&f1=days_elapsed&list_id=44602&o1=greaterthan&query_format=advanced&resolution=FIXED&v1=30&order=bug_severity%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0
17:16 cait1 but you were right too - the resolved fixed bugs don't show up when doing a search for "lists"
17:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5981 blocker, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, RESOLVED FIXED, OPAC: Add limits to search history
17:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5611 blocker, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, brice.sanchez, CLOSED FIXED, can't add comments and tags in the OPAC when mod_perl is activated
17:16 cait1 bug 5611 is closed fixed, bug 5981 is only resolved fixed
17:15 Oak good night me hearties.
17:15 cait1 I did a quick search for "ALL lists"
17:15 cait1 I mean they only get crossed out when closed it seems
17:15 cait1 hm no
17:15 jcamins If CLOSING is necessary, I suggest bulk-closing all bugs that have been RESOLVED-FIXED for > 1 mo.
17:14 cait1 hm let's check
17:14 cait1 which is much easier to see than the resolved fixed status
17:14 jcamins I thought they got crossed out when RESOLVED.
17:14 cait1 hm but they only get crossed out when you close them
17:14 jcamins RESOLVED bugs don't show up in searches, though.
17:14 cait1 or just after release of the version they were introduced?
17:14 jcamins I don't think we do. I think we just set them to RESOLVED.
17:13 cait1 maybe we after they have been fixed for... a while?
17:13 cait1 so they don't show up in searches and are annoying?
17:13 cait1 when do we actuall CLOSE bugs?
17:13 jcamins Yeah, I think so.
17:13 cait1 resolved fixed?
17:13 cait1 can I set if fixed then?
17:13 cait1 and noone complained about it not working for... 1 month?
17:12 cait1 all patches of a bug have been pushed to the versions they should be pushed to
17:12 cait1 ok so say
17:12 jcamins I suppose I'll need to figure out how to use curl and git-bz together to give me an overview of the latest comments, and then automatically close it with a message "So far as I know this is now working, so I am closing the bug. Please reopen or file a new one if any further problems are encountered."
17:10 jcamins cait1: yes, definitely.
17:10 cait1 jcamins: I tihnk tidying up bugzila is a good idea to do for a fresh start
17:08 cait1 drojf: maybe leave out the p reference
17:07 cait1 I am up for it, right after finishing my spaghetti
17:07 cait1 drojf: we could start now
17:06 drojf is that a good enough description? <h3>Google Analytics</h3><p>Longish rant about the evilness of Google Analytics, how it spies on you, connects all your data with your Google account and peeps through the keyhole while you poop.</p>
17:04 jcamins Anything that doesn't actually work can be reopened or reported as a separate bug.
17:04 drojf that sounds like an allnighter
17:04 jcamins (if there hasn't been any post-push discussion)
17:04 jcamins Everything with a "pushed" status is getting closed.
17:03 drojf actually i asked in general but he is the one who keeps answering
17:03 * jcamins is going to have a bug closing party once 3.10 is released.
17:02 drojf cait1: i ask jcamins for each bug until i have reached an arbitrary number of closed bugs and then do it without asking anymore.
17:02 jcamins There are so many open bugs it's not like anyone finds anything among them.
17:02 jcamins But the result of that rule is no one ever closes any bugs.
17:02 jcamins It was supposed to be "reporter or someone other than the patch writer closes the bug."
17:01 jcamins cait1: We don't really have rules.
17:01 jcamins You spotted me.
17:01 jcamins cait1: aww.
17:00 cait1 jcamins: what are the rules for closing a bug currently?
16:58 cait1 lol
16:58 drojf d'oh
16:57 drojf where did jcamins go?
16:57 drojf cookies? where? where?
16:56 jcamins Look over there! Shiny cookies!
16:56 jcamins Please?
16:56 jcamins Awww.
16:56 drojf nice try, new release manager. no vanishing for you
16:52 * jcamins can think of uses for vanishing into thin air.
16:51 jcamins We should tell him, and ask how he did it.
16:51 jcamins oleonard: hehe.
16:51 oleonard And then he vanished into thin air forever!
16:50 jcamins He opened a lot of the early bugs, I think.
16:50 gerundio I noticed that gmcharlt@gmail.com must be #1 :D
16:50 jcamins gerundio: hehe.
16:50 gerundio you should have the 10 most wanted bug openers for koha
16:50 jcamins No one else is going to be closing the bug.
16:50 jcamins oleonard: I don't think it should be.
16:49 oleonard Is it against protocol to close bugs which you reported and fixed yourself?
16:48 libsysguy peek*
16:48 libsysguy jcamins I'll take a meek
16:48 jcamins Any bug closing that can be done is much-needed.
16:48 jcamins 2541 open bugs.
16:48 jcamins gerundio: actually, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&list_id=44595&query_format=specific&order=bug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0
16:48 jcamins libsysguy: on master and/or 3.8-latest
16:47 libsysguy rel to 3.8.6?
16:47 jcamins gerundio: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance%20desc&bug_status=__open__&list_id=44595
16:47 gerundio how I miss it
16:47 gerundio lolol, developer mindset
16:47 jcamins libsysguy: could you check if you can still reproduce bug 8856?
16:46 jcamins The more bugs are invalid, the more we can close!
16:46 jcamins gerundio: no, right mindset!
16:46 gerundio oleonard, tss tss... wrong mind set
16:44 oleonard I wonder if that is a sign the bug is invalid...
16:43 * drojf can't even open the screenshot
16:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8856 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Details section of cart always displays 59
16:42 * oleonard wonders if anyone else can reproduce Bug 8856
16:38 gerundio never got convinced by neither of those 2
16:38 gerundio legacy issues too
16:38 gerundio I worked in a projected where we used dojo and yui together
16:38 oleonard Yes :)
16:38 jcamins oleonard: however, given your monthly pronouncements that you'd like to ditch YUI, I think my statement is accurate for all that we haven't found a better alternative, no?
16:37 gerundio looolol, I know the feeling
16:37 jcamins oleonard: right.
16:37 oleonard ...except where everything else is more awful :P
16:36 jcamins We're trying to get rid of YUI because it's awful.
16:36 jcamins Yes.
16:36 gerundio btw, koha uses jquery and yui, right?
16:35 jcamins drojf: ask someone who uses babeltheque?
16:34 drojf :P
16:34 drojf damn
16:33 gerundio frontend is not my thing :D
16:33 jcamins gerundio: awww.
16:33 gerundio just don't ask me to fix the progress bars
16:33 gerundio thanks drojf, I'll just wait then
16:32 drojf "i want to write up a privacy related summary for the babeltheque option in koha and sneak in snarky remarks about them doing crazy things with your data but i dont speak french and do not know anything about them :(" <-- first world privacy activism problems
16:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8834 - Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c66270c02ff56e7eb5430013e7e9417115e39aae>
16:32 drojf wait
16:32 drojf just wai, its alright :)
16:32 drojf the progress bars are all b0rked
16:32 gerundio any reason for me to worry? :)
16:31 gerundio the Job progress is stalled at 0% for more than 5 minutes now
16:31 gerundio the upload was really fast
16:31 gerundio is there any estimated time for MARC records import?
16:27 drojf there are times… :)
16:27 drojf jcamins: it's rare lately
16:27 jcamins drojf: are you ever not suffering from sleep deprivation?
16:26 drojf jcamins: i am easy to amuse when i suffer from sleep deprivation
16:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #915 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:26 jcamins drojf: oh?
16:24 drojf that's a funny bug
16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8787 minor, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , If OpacMaintenance is on the requested page is loaded
16:24 drojf bug 8787
16:23 drojf gerundio: not really
16:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8568 - Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a648ac884be0a25112f01e309de64dd1b862e22> / Bug 8841 Duedate should be set to end of expiry day <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c4125cd0ec8cca40dc23930f0676d94358b9868> / But 8787: don't load the page if OpacMaintenance is ON <http://git.koha-commun
16:22 jcamins Yay!
16:21 gerundio any last minute advices?
16:21 gerundio I've exported a 51.7 MB koha.mrc file
16:20 gerundio it looks like I'm now ready to import the bibliographic records into my koha installation
16:20 gerundio off-topic now, back to my work :)
16:20 drojf gerundio: cool, thank you
16:19 gerundio I'll try to test it following that info asap
16:19 drojf [off] when i read the logs i always make up a lot of extra lines that i consider to be [off]ed
16:19 gerundio jcamins, drojf thanks for the URLs
16:15 oleonard [off] an on-the-record non-sequitor for those following the log
16:15 drojf lol
16:15 * oleonard eases jcamins away from the cat-o-nine-tails
16:14 cait1 [off] lol
16:08 jcamins [off] Okay, that's not the page that I told someone not to edit, then.
16:08 drojf [off] i don't see big edits lately
16:02 jcamins [off] I seem to recall telling someone _not_ to revise it since it did not previously confuse people.
16:02 jcamins [off] Who was the last one to edit it?
16:01 drojf that page has a strange structure
16:01 drojf there http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Using_git-bz
16:00 drojf huh that part is all about more than one patch. sorry. but it is there somewhere
15:59 jcamins Maybe.
15:59 jcamins That's what I meant.
15:59 drojf ignore the "more than one patch" thing
15:58 drojf if not, tjis does http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Signing_off
15:58 jcamins ^^ I think that explains how to sign off
15:57 wahanui rumour has it patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
15:57 jcamins patch workflow?
15:57 drojf i think you did the same last time. make a new branch in git, apply the patch and then follow the test plan that is given in the comments
15:56 gerundio is there any procedure I should know about?
15:56 drojf that would be awesome
15:56 gerundio I hope to fit this task until the end of the week
15:56 drojf thanks
15:56 gerundio I'll put it in my TODO list
15:54 drojf just like we need to find somebody to signoff on your patch
15:54 drojf because then we could get it into koha
15:54 drojf gerundio: cool. but i did not mean to check for that, but apply it to a dev installation, try if if does what it claims to do and if so, sign it off
15:53 jcamins gerundio: could you test if it works and sign off on it if it does?
15:53 gerundio do you want me to check anything in particular?
15:53 gerundio my patch doesn't affect that one in any way
15:52 gerundio drojf, I've looked into that patch 1st thing on Monday morning
15:52 drojf sure, i will be up again ;)
15:52 jcamins drojf: but then you won't be up at 3am!
15:52 drojf it's getting dark before 6pm already. great. maybe i should go to bed as nature intended it
15:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8919 critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP
15:47 drojf gerundio: can i persuade you into having a look at bug 8919 and testing the patch if it is compatible to your LDAP setup?
15:44 jcamins (not that there couldn't be, of course)
15:44 oleonard CCSR self checkout templates are untouched, and have missing images
15:44 jcamins There shouldn't be.
15:44 jcamins oleonard: missing javascript?
15:43 drojf oleonard: things missing from the theme?
15:43 oleonard I guess CCSR doesn't use self checkout
15:42 jcamins drojf: makes sense to me.
15:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5116 minor, P5 - low, ---, ricmarques, NEW , Duplicate and missing entries in "apt-get-debian-lenny.sh"
15:41 drojf bug 5116 looks not really applicable anymore, can i assume it's ok to set it to resolved?
15:33 wahanui oleonard: excuse me?
15:33 oleonard wahanui, style maven.
15:33 wahanui de rien jcamins
15:33 jcamins Thanks, wahanui.
15:33 jcamins lol
15:33 wahanui somewhat is not the adjective I would use
15:33 jcamins Somewhat.
15:31 gerundio the way we set our frameworks is related to the zebra indexes we define in record.abs?
15:31 jcamins gerundio: I think you'd just have to compare it against the standard. :(
15:30 gerundio maybe you can tell me other thing that might help
15:30 jcamins gerundio: I don't think I could, no.
15:29 gerundio can you tell by looking quickly at a default MARC framework export if there are some weird changes too?
15:29 gerundio jcamins, regarding those changes on the record.abs file
15:28 oleonard I think that's what it was
15:28 * jcamins remembered an issue with fuzzy searching during one of your upgrades. I guess it was that it was inadvertently *dis*abled rather than enabled.
15:27 oleonard No we've had it for ages
15:26 jcamins oleonard: I thought you had that disabled?
15:26 oleonard One of my staff members just excitedly discovered that Koha has fuzzy searching. :|
15:26 cait1 heh
15:26 drojf <!++
15:26 druthb jcamins++
15:25 druthb :P
15:25 huginn druthb: Karma for "<!" has been increased 8 times and decreased 119 times for a total karma of -111.
15:25 druthb @karma <!
15:24 gerundio drojf, notepad++ identifies the file as ANSI and provides an option to convert to UTF8
15:24 huginn jcamins: Karma for "<!--" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
15:24 jcamins @karma <!--
15:24 jcamins <!--++
15:24 huginn jcamins: <!-- has neutral karma.
15:24 jcamins @karma <!--
15:24 jcamins Hehe.
15:24 huginn jcamins: Karma for "notepad++" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
15:24 jcamins @karma notepad++
15:24 drojf :)
15:24 drojf notepad++++
15:24 jcamins notepad++++
15:23 gerundio not as good as the original notepad I see :)
15:23 huginn gerundio: notepad++ has neutral karma.
15:23 gerundio @karma notepad++
15:23 jcamins Heh.
15:23 huginn jcamins: Karma for "notepad" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
15:23 jcamins @karma notepad
15:23 gerundio drojf, notepad++
15:23 gerundio everything went smooth that way
15:22 gerundio I ended up exporting to SQL and importing it afterwards
15:22 drojf gerundio: how did you determine it was ANSI and what editor did you use?
15:22 * gerundio agrees too :)
15:21 * cait1 agrees with jcamins
15:21 cait1 but never tried the default framework... hm.
15:21 cait1 gerundio: it worked nicely for the german umlauts with that, at least I didn't notice any problems
15:21 cait1 gerundio: hmm - which export option did you use? I only used libreoffice so far- never the csv
15:21 jcamins gerundio: okay, then that's very weird.
15:20 gerundio jcamins, all have accented chars
15:20 gerundio the result was an empty framework
15:20 gerundio I converted it to UTF-8 and then imported
15:20 jcamins gerundio: if only one framework includes accented characters, then that makes sense.
15:19 gerundio I noticed that koha exported an ANSI CSV
15:19 gerundio cait1, the weirdest part is that the export/import works correctly for all the other frameworks
15:19 jcamins cait1: yes, definitely a problem for another time.
15:18 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone.
15:18 cait1 jcamins: oh? not sure I understand that. but it's a problem for another time maybe
15:18 jcamins cait1: it probably should not include traced 490s in indexes.
15:18 cait1 gerundio: for example if you use an editor, check it has the right settings, I had problems with that in the past
15:17 cait1 gerundio: that happened to me before too - make sure you have utf-8 everywhere
15:17 cait1 gerundio: you got an encoding problem
15:17 gerundio after the import I only get "L" everything after the 1st accentuated character is deleted
15:17 cait1 jcamins: hm, how would search ideally work there?
15:17 gerundio for instance I have this field for "LÃngua do documento", which stands for "Document language"
15:17 gerundio in these cases the import resulted in incomplete values
15:16 jcamins cait1: not for searching.
15:16 gerundio all the fields are written in Portuguese, a lot of them with punctuated characters
15:16 cait1 jcamins: hm what problem with 490 is linda referring to? I thought we did things with indicators for traced and untraced?
15:16 oleonard cait1: I would say it's a security issue in that if the library doesn't know the timeout requires JS, the system ignores the timeout setting they set in system preferences with the expectation that it would work
15:15 jcamins I've never used the framework import/export.
15:15 cait1 oleonard: security issue even?
15:14 gerundio I experienced some unexpected behaviors while importin/exporting it with CSV
15:14 cait1 oleonard: ouch again :(
15:14 jcamins gerundio: what's not a good idea is changing it so that fields mean different things than in the standard.
15:14 gerundio ok, that leads to the 2nd part of the discussion
15:12 jcamins gerundio: I change my default MARC framework.
15:12 oleonard Looks like the self checkout timeout is 100% dependent on JavaScript. No timeout enforced by the script :(
15:11 gerundio is it supposed to be changed?
15:11 gerundio jcamins, sure you did... it was related with the default MARC framework
15:11 cait1 but where is the fun with that? :)
15:11 cait1 yeah maybe :)
15:11 cait1 jcamins: oh
15:11 jcamins cait1: you should add it to your cloud-based to-do list.
15:11 gerundio cait1, thanks for the feedback on that
15:11 cait1 drojf: using you as my external memory again :P
15:11 jcamins gerundio: no, I did not read the scrollback this morning. There was more than I felt like looking at.
15:10 cait1 drojf: remind me we need to check the german sql files before release 3.10?
15:10 gerundio from what gaetan_B told me, I think it's nightmare material too
15:10 cait1 for some languages you can opt to get translated files at installation times - those are basically translated sql files
15:10 * gmcharlt has taken the liberty of dropping the dead lists from the list of lists
15:10 cait1 gerundio: translating the descriptions is fine :)
15:10 gerundio I think you didn't catch my conversation earlier
15:10 gerundio you still remember that... you had nightmares with those changes, right?
15:09 jcamins gerundio: see, it's not that I'm always negative. It's that the Zebra changes horrified me. :P
15:09 gerundio ok, this is the 1st time you say to me that he has done something well :D
15:08 jcamins Otherwise "Yes" and "No" would be in English.
15:08 jcamins Makes sense to me.
15:07 gerundio he even changed the original values from Yes and No to Portuguese Sim and Não
15:07 jcamins Not translated.
15:07 jcamins No.
15:07 jcamins Ah.
15:07 slef I think some developers refuse to accept that bug trackers are fairly hard because bug tracking is fairly hard... no-one's cracked it yet, have they? Bug trackers loved by some are hated by others.
15:07 gerundio my colleague added all the values in Portuguese
15:06 gerundio my original question was regarding if the values on this table are translated in OPAC
15:06 jcamins I thought you were trying to figure out what they were for.
15:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P1 - high, ---, chrish, ASSIGNED , XSS vulnerabilities
15:06 jcamins gerundio: oh, so you do know what they're for.
15:06 gerundio wheter they are mandatory or should be used in the 1st place... that's a question I'll have to ask him
15:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8903 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Can't receive any orders
15:06 jenkins_koha * chrish: bug 3652 fixing XSS vulnerabilities in opac-search
15:06 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities in opac-export
15:06 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 3652 follow-up reverting call to param('bib')
15:06 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities on biblionumber and authid
15:06 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8903: Pass invoiceid to ModReceiveOrder
15:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #914: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/914/
15:05 gerundio jcamins, like cait1 mentioned, these values are used for cataloguing
15:05 jcamins If I did, I might encourage the Google Group users to consider using it for when they run into problems after ignoring the instructions.
15:05 slef jcamins: calling it a bug tracker is an overstatement.
15:05 slef drojf: yes.
15:05 jcamins slef: I didn't even know Github had a bug tracker.
15:05 cait1 maybe used in cataloguing? or some other place
15:04 drojf slef: what's the issue with github? bad terms of service?
15:04 cait1 AUT, COU LAN PREF are not included in stadnard koha
15:04 cait1 hm
15:04 gerundio in a total of 865 authorised values records
15:04 jcamins gerundio: and you can't ask him why he did what he did?
15:03 slef I'm getting a little jaded with these projects where people write things like "since we switched to github issue tracking, managing our bugs is much simpler" YES! BECAUSE ONLY GITHUBBERS CAN REPORT THEM ANY MORE!</rant>
15:03 gerundio cait1, those are the categories my colleague added to his koha installation
15:03 gmcharlt jcamins: probably just enthusiasm at the time
15:03 jcamins But I'm not an expert.
15:03 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "select distinct(category) from authorised_values;" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/249
15:03 jcamins gmcharlt: not really sure why we would have listed it on the website.
15:03 cait1 gerundio: what exactly do you want to add?
15:02 gerundio cait1, I made a SQL query on my colleague's authorised_values table and those categories you mentioned are all there, along with some additional ones
15:02 * slef is not in a happy place... another project he's working on has moved bug trackng to github... so we can't report bugs any more.
15:02 gmcharlt jcamins: ah, OK
15:02 reiveune bye
15:02 cait1 you have to be a bit more careful before you kebab your allies :)
15:02 jcamins gmcharlt: PASIFIKA wasn't intended to be a permanent mailing list, I think... that's a Koha implementation project.
15:01 cait1 slef: only to make fun of it
15:01 slef cait1: he started it! He used the G words again!
15:01 cait1 we were just talking about second lunch, now you did it again!
15:01 cait1 eew slef
15:01 gmcharlt and the server for Koha Pacifika isn't responding
15:01 * slef uses jcamins to make a kitty kebab
15:01 jcamins If you were using the Google Group, it would all make sense.
15:01 cait1 so maybe this could go on agenda for a meeting?
15:00 drojf lol
15:00 cait1 lol
15:00 drojf gmcharlt: i agree
15:00 jcamins gmcharlt: really? That's just because you're not using the Google Group.
15:00 gmcharlt koha-oz's archives are available only to subscribers -- which I don't feel should be the policy
15:00 gerundio under a YES_NO category
15:00 gmcharlt hmm, I'm seeing bunches of glitches
15:00 drojf jcamins: yes, it did \o/
15:00 gerundio in the default koha installation I only have 2 records
15:00 jcamins drojf: yeah,, and it solved all our problems.
14:59 drojf :P
14:59 drojf cait1: i bet there is a google group for that
14:59 gerundio cait1, you mentioned "only be careful with some of them like LOST because the values there have special meaning in the program but CCODE, LOC, SUGGEST stuff like that shoudl be no problem at all"
14:59 cait1 looks like a good candidate to kill :P
14:59 gmcharlt cait1: and http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
14:59 cait1 koha-win32....
14:59 gmcharlt are both koha-oz and Koha Pacifika needed?
14:59 drojf jcamins: it's labelled koha-l18n-german or something like that. but it is used for everything
14:59 cait1 http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
14:59 cait1 and it would be nice if it was I think :)
14:58 cait1 yeah, but it's not koha-de
14:58 gerundio drojf, right, I guess I have no choice but to go for MySQL records import
14:58 jcamins koha-de?
14:58 cait1 jcamins: we were talking about hte name being overly complicated
14:58 drojf there is not really much happening so we could have translation stuff and the rest on one list
14:58 cait1 or second like 2?
14:58 cait1 to replace the existing?
14:58 jcamins cait1: i think the non-English mailing lists make sense.
14:58 druthb right.
14:58 gmcharlt druthb: well, folded into MCLS, more like
14:58 drojf cait1: do we want to rename it or have a second one?
14:57 drojf gerundio: ok, you would not want to do that manually
14:57 cait1 drojf: maybe we should propose renaming the german mailing list at this time? ;)
14:57 gerundio drojf, answering your question earlier: "900 bibliographic records? or 900 authorized values?".... door #2 - authorized values
14:57 cait1 :)
14:56 gmcharlt it was never high volume
14:56 cait1 oh
14:56 drojf rofl jcamins
14:56 druthb gmcharlt: since INCOLSA no longer exists...
14:56 gmcharlt cait1: discussion of Koha for consortia
14:56 cait1 I think we also have koha-announce or something?
14:56 cait1 gmcharlt: what was it supposed to do?
14:56 jcamins "Ha ha! No one expects a second lunch break! It's chief weapon is spanakopita. Spanakopita and salads. Its two chief weapons... can I start over?" :)
14:56 gmcharlt does anybody know if it got moved by INCOLSA, or just dropped?
14:56 cait1 oh cat :)
14:56 gmcharlt speaking of mailing lists, koha-consort appears to have disappeared
14:55 drojf that's scary
14:55 drojf stared at by a black and white lunch break?
14:55 * cait1 is being watched - have to be careful what I say....
14:55 cait1 I had a curious black and white staring thorugh my window earlier
14:54 drojf one round of kitties and second lunch please
14:54 cait1 hm maybe better have dinner
14:54 jcamins "I said, 'I wasn't expecting a sort of a second lunch break.'"
14:54 cait1 I didn't have first lunch tho
14:54 cait1 me too
14:54 drojf i could have second lunch
14:54 * jcamins looks around hopefully.
14:54 jcamins You think you only get one of them, but suddenly a second shows up!
14:54 drojf lol
14:54 jcamins Those sneaky lunch breaks!
14:53 gerundio been caught between lunch break and meetings ever since
14:53 gerundio drojf, cait1 ... sorry to left you hanging earlier after I posted a question
14:52 jcamins lol
14:52 * druthb drops a big hairy cat on jcamins' lap. Pixel promptly sheds on him.
14:51 * gmcharlt would like an office cat
14:51 jcamins :(
14:51 * jcamins has been abandoned by both cats.
14:51 druthb I still get tickled when I see that name.
14:51 * druthb chuckles.
14:50 huginn druthb: Quote #58: "<jdavidb> I prefer killing bugs, not kitties." (added by gmcharlt at 04:38 PM, February 17, 2010)
14:50 druthb @quote random
14:50 gmcharlt heh
14:50 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
14:50 gmcharlt @quote random
14:46 druthb Someone wrote a novel I read years ago, about a different history if the Confederacy had won our civil war in the 1860s. One of these days, it'd be interesting to see a novel with the premise that the Revolution failed.
14:46 oleonard Weird and broken.
14:45 druthb Yes, yes we do.
14:45 drojf given that al jazeera, russia today and c-span showed it there are probably more people outside the us than inside that have seen it. you sure have a weird system
14:42 druthb drojf: The way that campaign funding and ballot-access is set up in this country, watching a third-party candidate is like wrestling a pig: It doesn't do any good, you both get dirty, and the pig likes it. They want attention, but won't be president until the system changes.
14:42 jcamins drojf: it's too depressing.
14:41 * oleonard only watches people on Twitter heckle presidential debates
14:41 drojf jcamins: why is that?
14:40 jcamins drojf: I don't watch any presidential debates.
14:39 drojf dear us-americans, watching the third party presidential candidates debate makes it seem like there is intelligent life somewhere in us politics. you should give it a try.
14:39 cait1 druthb: be honest.... wouldn't you say yes if you could shrink them back to kittens? :)
14:38 * druthb has two cats. No moar kittehs!
14:33 cait1 and hi jcamins :)
14:33 cait1 group dynamics...
14:33 * jcamins was thinking that.
14:33 * cait1 wants a kitten too now
14:32 drojf seems like never dared to actually set something to resolved or i would have known :)
14:28 drojf AH!
14:28 jcamins You set it to resolved, then choose the resolution.
14:28 drojf i can only do "resolved". i'm sure i have seen "resolved WONTFIX" or something, but maybe that is only for special people?
14:27 jcamins drojf: I think you could close it, yes.
14:26 drojf but i could use one too
14:26 drojf s/elated/related
14:26 drojf (was not elated to kittens unfortunately)
14:25 jcamins My client has a new 4mo kitten.
14:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Integration of Google Analytics in Koha.
14:25 drojf related to that, can we set bug 6610 to resolved?
14:25 jcamins I want a kitten.
14:24 * jcamins found a Chrome plugin to block it, fortunately.
14:23 jcamins Especially the Facebook button.
14:23 drojf jcamins: i'm at displaying information about privacy relevant stuff for now, but eventually i would like that, yes
14:23 jcamins 'Cause that'd be awesome.
14:23 jcamins drojf: are you adding an opt-out cookie?
14:22 jcamins drojf: I would like to set up piwik.
14:22 drojf jcamins: i think GA is sorted out for now. i'm only interested in detecting its use. i could use someone with piwik (or two, one local and one using piwik servers) though
14:21 jcamins drojf: I tried GA in Koha.
14:21 jcamins magnuse: I think there should be, yes.
14:19 jcamins Is there any conversation that I need to be aware of this morning that didn't involve my name being mentioned?
14:19 mtompset Greetings, jcamins. :)
14:19 mtompset Sucky internet connection. Greetings, #koha.
14:01 * drojf is impressed by magnuse's wnadering skills
13:58 * magnuse wnaders off
13:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_3652' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2943530f250af5b0b8caa373721749d843958502> / bug 3652 fixing XSS vulnerabilities in opac-search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2de76d60d7369e26e8c3f806b9bdcdb6eeaa4fd> / Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities in opac-export <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm
13:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #914 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:54 jwagner you're welcome
13:53 drojf thanks jwagner
13:53 cait1 oleonard: oh yes please ;)
13:53 drojf ok i guess looking for 'google-analytics.com/ga.js' would be enough to determine if it is used
13:53 jwagner goes on for quite a while, there's a setAccount variable for your account number
13:52 jwagner document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + gaJsHost + "google-analytics.com/ga.js'
13:52 jwagner var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." : "http://www.");
13:52 jwagner fairly lengthy code block (outside any jquery block) -- starts off something like this:
13:52 oleonard So I found our new menu plugin: http://soulwire.github.com/Makisu/ :P
13:50 drojf jwagner: what i would be interested in is how the code looks. so i could check if it is present in opacuserjs
13:49 jwagner drojf, you put the google analytics code into the opacuserjs syspref
13:46 cait1 drojf: I think rangi could help you with that
13:45 drojf is anyone here using piwik or google analytics in koha (via usercss or however you do it)?
13:45 drojf i wouldn't want to miss that
13:45 drojf lol
13:44 oleonard Of course not drojf, IRC Karaoke is just typing along with the words ;)
13:44 drojf oleonard: you want to wake us up by any means necessary?
13:40 mtompset My cousin has a karaoke business. :)
13:40 cait1 oleonard: karaoke without us? *sniff*
13:39 druthb oleonard++
13:38 oleonard Yeah I'm going to revise the whole meeting agenda to "Karaoke Jam"
13:36 cait1 well not because of me - but it's a bad time for whole europe next time :(
13:35 cait1 so maybe start on list and then it will be the next meeting after release
13:35 cait1 or on my way back from there.... so will not be able to attend anyway
13:35 cait1 I will be in oslo
13:35 cait1 I forgot about the date
13:34 cait1 ah right
13:34 * magnuse was called away for a few moments
13:34 drojf [off] given my current rhythm i may actually be around at 3am local time but i hope to have fixed that until then :/
13:34 magnuse druthb: sounds like a good plan
13:33 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_November_2012
13:32 druthb Perhaps the following one. Whichever one next works for y'all.
13:32 drojf or is it? cait1?
13:32 druthb Oh! hm.
13:32 drojf all three of us
13:31 drojf i think the next meeting is the one we all three opted out of for nighttime reasons
13:31 cait1 sounds ok to me
13:31 druthb All right--here's mah plan, cait1 / magnuse / drojf: I'll get us on the agenda for the next general meeting, and promote the attendance of translation-interested folk on the general and translate lists, along with sending a list of bugs and other thoughts I've had for discussion. Some, we can cope with on the list, but we might wanna chat about others during the meeting.
13:31 cait1 ah ok
13:30 libsysguy paul_p: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU9Wh2x4u3E
13:30 paul_p cait1 yep, I just spoke of it with joubu a few minuts ago
13:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8636 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Some dependencies are not listed by the installer
13:30 cait1 did you see bug 8636?
13:30 paul_p cait1 yep, pushing ;-)
13:29 cait1 paul_p: around?
13:29 druthb :D
13:28 libsysguy but for the most part I think i just have a nerd accent
13:28 libsysguy I do slip in a ya'll
13:28 libsysguy :'( I don't talk that funny
13:28 druthb Besides, you're an east texian, and everyone knows they talk funny.
13:28 * libsysguy is a whooper-snapper
13:27 libsysguy haha
13:27 druthb bring it, whooper-snapper.
13:27 * druthb wields a second trout, prepares to fight Florentine.
13:27 libsysguy hehe
13:27 libsysguy too far Ruthie
13:27 libsysguy whoa whoa whoa I do not use the word yan't :p
13:26 druthb ... "Do you want to fill this hold?" = "I wanna give it to 'em, yan't to?"
13:26 libsysguy and I would just have to replace "you all" with "ya'll"
13:25 * druthb wields a trout, winds up for a nuclear smackdown.
13:25 libsysguy there is a young ian?
13:24 druthb also youngster-ian.
13:24 libsysguy hey now
13:24 cait1 heh
13:24 drojf lol
13:24 * druthb thinks libsysguy should join the translation team; he can translate into Texian.
13:24 drojf druthb: i'd prefer longer general discussions on the mailing list, so i can take part at whatever weird time i am awake ;) but i'd also like to see some talk about it at the general meeting for what cait1 said
13:23 druthb hush, you
13:23 * druthb pokes wahanui
13:23 wahanui drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
13:23 druthb drojf?
13:23 * druthb nods. magnuse, concur?
13:22 cait1 maybe it would be good if we did it in the normal meeting - so all developers keep translation problems in mind
13:22 * druthb presumes most any such meeting would be at a wierd hour for US-ians, but that's part of the job, imma thinking.
13:21 cait1 I think at the last meeting someone wanted to talk about the manual translation
13:21 druthb Is there any interest in having an IRC meeting? Or should I just throw a bunch of questions out to the list for discussion?
13:17 cait1 or because something touches something else or so
13:16 cait1 because it#s so easy to miss something
13:16 cait1 we had some regressions in the past
13:14 druthb yep, I'm working on that.
13:14 cait1 and then step by step careful changes, because if we mess up, lots of work for translators
13:14 cait1 I think first is to get the existing process shifted over probably
13:14 magnuse +1
13:14 cait1 if you ask questions, translators can answer :)
13:14 cait1 druthb: communication is good :)
13:13 druthb drojf: It may turn out that it's the best way there is, but I think the question needs to be re-asked from time to time. And I'm such a noob at the whole I18N world that not too many will get offended at me asking a silly question like that.
13:13 drojf have now
13:13 drojf and if there isn't, maybe we could still find ways to improve what we hav enow
13:12 drojf druthb++ for thinking about better technology. i was thinking "can this be the best possible way to do that" just yesterday.
13:12 cait1 ok, brb
13:11 cait1 and some templates could be reworked
13:11 tcohen eythian, where would u like to add libkoha-contrib-tamil-perl as dependency? debian/control? debian/control.in?
13:10 cait1 because the structure is backwards
13:10 cait1 and the xml structure is bad, what we do for the xslt files doestn't work for them
13:10 cait1 hm translation scripts
13:09 cait1 which would be smart, if our translation plugins could deal with it
13:09 cait1 someone changed it to be based on xml
13:09 cait1 such things can not happen again
13:09 cait1 I am not so worried about these things, more about thins like the untranslatable cataloguing plugins
13:09 magnuse but maybe we could do something more intelligent in that area
13:08 magnuse some of that was reduced when someone did some work on capitalization
13:08 cait1 yeah, but they are still different.. not sure you can automate something here for all possible cases
13:08 druthb That's just silly.
13:08 magnuse the same string with and without a trailing . for example
13:08 magnuse there has been a situation where you get lots of very similar strings to translate
13:07 druthb All the searching I've done suggests that using .po-type data is probably as good as it gets right now...but *doing something* with that data, in order to make things better... there seem to be a number of different thoughts on that.
13:06 cait1 but that would be a gigantic task
13:06 cait1 and redoing the whole translation system... I don't knwo what kind of different solutions are out there
13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po file for help pages
13:06 magnuse bug 7934
13:06 cait1 I don't know if we could use more features in pootle
13:06 cait1 pootle is not perfect, but was a great step forward from kartouche
13:05 cait1 I am not sure if there is
13:05 druthb ...and if so, "can it be implemented without losing what we've already got?"
13:05 druthb That's a good start, IMO. A deeper question, to me, is "is there a better technology for doing translation that would take into account some of the other bits, like syspref/MARC dialects/embedded-in-code strings?"
13:05 cait1 and when we have late updates like now it makes it worse
13:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po files for different MARC dialects
13:05 magnuse bug 7939
13:04 cait1 I think
13:04 cait1 help and staff in one makes things hard
13:04 cait1 because this way you could translate opac, then intranet gui, then help files with the right terms for buttons and so on
13:04 cait1 yep
13:04 magnuse there are two suggestions: split out marc dialects and split out online help
13:04 cait1 I proposed a change to strip out help files
13:03 cait1 druthb: there are bugs with ideas on bugzilla
13:03 magnuse druthb: too true!
13:03 druthb One of the things I'd like very much to talk to some of the key players in the translation arena about is whether or not there is *some way* to cut down the monumental size of the task. These files are enormous, and that creates a daunting task for new translators.
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13:01 magnuse and that is... bad
13:01 cait at all
13:01 cait because... it's not on pootle
13:01 cait but the way it is now means we will get no translations for the new template for 3.10
13:01 druthb cait++
13:01 magnuse oleonard: nope
13:01 cait might be worth asking the list
13:01 cait maybe I am worng
13:00 cait druthb: I think ideal would be if the strings ended up in the same file
13:00 cait mtompset: it's manual work
13:00 druthb I might be able to figure a way around that, at least tentatively. What if there was a script to take the untranslated strings in the ccsr file, and look in the matching opac file, and copy the ones that are translated? That'd save some work.
13:00 mtompset Wouldn't it be a matter of just copying to a new name? (I'm not familiar with the translation part of koha)
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12:59 magnuse looks like it then...
12:59 cait but that seems like doubled up strings to me - you will have to translate smae things twice i guess
12:58 cait or marc files
12:58 cait files
12:58 cait like stripping out helpf ils
12:58 cait some separate files would make sense
12:58 druthb Yet Another Translation File. I agree, that's really not too wonderful.
12:58 cait it will mean lots of doubled up work because the strings are so similar to normal opac template files
12:58 cait a separate file
12:58 cait druthb: that's not good
12:57 druthb Hi, oleonard and mtompset and cait. :D
12:57 cait hi mtompset - sorry :)
12:57 mtompset Oh, and hi, cait. :)
12:57 cait hi druthb :)
12:57 cait hi oleonard :)
12:57 druthb Seems so, magnuse.
12:57 magnuse maybe someone like fredericd, druthb or jcamins_away would know for sure?
12:56 * oleonard fails to sneak in unnoticed
12:56 mtompset Greetings, tcohen druthb oleonard. :)
12:56 huginn 04Bug 8633: normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Translate script hardcoded to prog template
12:56 magnuse i'm wondering... when i tested the new ccsr theme i had to follow the steps here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8633#c5 to get tit to work for nb-NO - does that mean we need to have *-opac-ccsr.po files in pootle?
12:47 druthb Hi, magnuse! :D
12:47 magnuse hiya druthb
12:40 drojf hi tcohen
12:38 tcohen morning #koha
12:35 magnuse drojf: yeah, it would be excellent and awesome!
12:34 drojf s/library stuff/library staff
12:34 drojf magnuse: i wonder how happy libraries will be about it. especially as i would strongly suggest that to be available by default, out of respect to patrons (also, laws in some regions of the world). but i think it would not hurt for library stuff to be aware of what privacy issues are implied by use of third party services too
12:30 magnuse drojf: that would be an awesome feature
12:30 drojf i dont see why. check for relevant sysprefs, display notice for each one that is enabled on one central opac page. in a perfect world opt out option should be mandatory for all new additions of third party stuff. i assume i will annoy a few people once i write up what i think ;)
12:27 mtompset wouldn't it?
12:27 mtompset It would also get worse as dependencies are added/removed.
12:27 mtompset That sounds like a nightmare to code, but useful to have.
12:26 drojf mtompset: basically full disclosure to your patrons of all tracking and third party stuff your library uses. and opt-out options would be cool too
12:26 mtompset And yes, drojf, it is advanced user error creativity. A user that knows what she is generally doing, doing something in the moment which triggers a nice kaboom.
12:25 mtompset drojf: what idea is that?
12:24 mtompset So, I was thinking that perhaps selectbranchprinter.pl should be a pop-up windows like the help.
12:24 mtompset If I open another tab, make the change, and then tweak the current record, it fixes on the next one.
12:23 drojf that privacy thing looks like more work than i thought. koha has a horrible lot of third party options :/ but how could i resist an idea that spontaneously manifested between 2 and 4 last night?
12:23 mtompset thing is...
12:23 mtompset Interesting this is...
12:23 mtompset [Wed Oct 24 09:56:50 2012] [error] [client 192.168.100.2] [Wed Oct 24 09:56:50 2012] additem.pl: Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2438.
12:21 mtompset Well, additem.pl requires some parameters, I believe, and the selectbranchprinter.pl switches back without parameters, as far as I know. I haven't looked very far into it.
12:20 cait is there something useful in the logs?
12:20 cait oh ouch
12:20 mtompset software error contact the webadmin.
12:20 drojf sounds like advanced user error creativity
12:20 cait some kind of permission problem? or a perl problem?
12:19 cait mtompset: hmm what do you mean by blow up?
12:18 magnuse sounds like fun!
12:15 mtompset And when it tries to go back to the original page, it blows up big time.
12:14 mtompset While adding items... she changes the branch.
12:14 mtompset My librarian colleague has generated the most interesting of errors.
12:06 magnuse mtj: yay!
11:50 mtj and the json format looks quite familar too
11:48 mtj magnus_lunch, good news, it looks pretty easy for openlibrary stuff , specifically
11:38 mtompset So, perhaps that person might be able to help you, mtj. :)
11:38 mtompset Ah, there... http://rochellejustrochelle.typepad.com/copilot/
11:37 mtompset Of courtse, that was 7 years ago.
11:37 mtompset From the searching I did, find Rochelle from Project Gutenburg. :)
11:37 * magnuse admires mtj for his courage
11:36 mtj i think i might ask the Q on code4lib and ol-tech before i start
11:36 magnuse hm, yeah, maybe
11:35 mtj more documented, and more rdf tools about
11:35 mtj hmm, i think rdf might be a little easier that the json format
11:33 mtj and that quick/dirty solution would prolly be some rdf2marc conversion, then just import the bib as marc
11:33 magnuse looks like they have some kind of json too - maybe that would be easier than converting the rdf?
11:31 mtj but until then… im looking for a quick/dirty solution
11:31 mtompset Some data conversions are not reversible (in the general case)
11:31 magnuse get the records into triplestore
11:31 mtj the better way to do that would be to mod koha to import actual RDF records (of course)
11:31 magnuse :-)
11:31 magnuse well, when we build SemantiKoha, we can do that
11:30 mtj … getting openlibrary.org records into a koha
11:30 mtompset That would be pretty ugly, being all ears. ;)
11:29 * magnuse is all ears
11:29 mtj i have a good use case, i think
11:29 mtj everyone wants to go marc->rdf, no one wants to go the other way :p
11:29 magnuse i never heard of one, and i hope noone wastes energy on it (at least until i hear of a use case for it) :-)
11:29 mtompset Triple checking the git install instructions.
11:28 mtj heya mtompset :)
11:28 mtj yep :)
11:28 magnuse not the other way around?!?
11:28 mtj well…. im looking about for a rdf2marc crosswalk
11:28 mtompset Greetings, mtj.
11:28 magnuse yeah, lots of half baked ideas
11:27 magnuse anything special you are looking for?
11:27 mtj ive just re-read this.. -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Linked_Data_RFC
11:26 magnuse :-)
11:26 magnuse mtj: a bit
11:25 mtj hey magnuse , what do you know about rdf?
11:25 mtj hi folks
11:15 mtompset Greetings, magnuse.
11:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
11:15 magnuse hiya mtompset
11:13 drojf gerundio: you would have to manually insert the authorized values as such in the authorized values settings before importing your biblio data. you would not have to set the values up for each record again
11:12 cait stuff like that shoudl be no problem at all
11:12 cait but CCODE, LOC, SUGGEST
11:11 cait because the values there have special meaning in the program
11:11 cait only be careful with some of them like LOST
11:11 cait gerundio: it shouuld be ok to insert with sql
11:10 drojf gerundio: 900 bibliographic records? or 900 authorized values?
11:10 gerundio do those terms get translated in OPAC?
11:09 gerundio btw, the default koha installation has 2 values on that table for a YES_NO category
11:09 gerundio so I think I'll strike manual insertion from the options
11:08 gerundio I have nearly 900 records
11:08 drojf depending on how many you have that may take some time though
11:08 drojf well, recreate the authorized values manually is always possible
11:07 gerundio but I guess I don't really have a choice on this one
11:07 gerundio drojf, manual SQL injection is always a no no for me
11:07 gerundio so I assume the person responsible for creating the DB table is British and the one responsible for the admin UI is American :D
11:05 drojf well, cutting them out of the old db and injecting them into the new one of course. in case you make up an sql query for that you are already half done with developing an enhancement patch for this ;)
11:04 gerundio yeap
11:04 cait british english vs american english I think
11:04 cait be vs. ae
11:04 drojf googlefight.com ? one is AE and the other BE suppose
11:03 gerundio btw, just had the urge to google for "authorised vs authorized"
11:03 magnuse gerundio: i've never seen one
11:02 drojf i don't think so
11:02 gerundio is there any form to import authorized values in koha?
11:01 drojf ah yes i remember the amazon stuff vanishing from the files while i was working on the html5 audio video stuff
11:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove usage of Amazon API
11:00 magnuse bug 8679
11:00 drojf lol
10:59 cait drojf: someone has to spoil the fun... better it not being me :P
10:59 cait I am not sure about covers - I think we kept that, but not sure about the terms
10:59 cait they have changed something, that was the reason all the other features have been removed
10:59 drojf it will not have to do with german privacy laws specifically, more like what i would call fairness and transparency towards your patrons. but it will probably look pretty german ;)
10:58 gaetan_B i have a hard time believing it and will probably get in touch with amazon to figure this out, but thought i'd ask here first
10:58 gaetan_B i have a library here telling me that the AWS terms of use have changed some months ago and that only private companies are now allowed to use the service, meaning that libraries are not allowed anymore to fetch cover images on the fly using AWS, have you heard this before ?
10:58 magnuse hehe
10:58 cait but I will be grateful if I don't have to be the one :)
10:57 cait i don't know what you will propose, but I fear it has to do with german privacy laws
10:57 cait then reading lists, opac privacy settings
10:57 drojf i wonder how much enthusiasm there will be for what i will be proposing ;)
10:57 cait showing the name of the reviewer is another i thnk
10:57 cait yeah
10:56 drojf cait: yes, i guess most is in enhanced content, but there may be more. i guess i will go through all sysprefs then
10:55 drojf magnuse: yes that is the backup plan
10:55 cait drojf: hm not that I know of - what are you thinking about? the enhanced content, reading lists and stuff like that?
10:55 magnuse drojf: specifically the "Enhanced content" section
10:54 magnuse drojf: have a look at the sysprefs?
10:53 mtj gerundio, probably best to email your question to the koha-devel list
10:51 drojf is there a list of all third party stuff available in koha and other potentionally privacy invasive features?
10:51 cait or if it works, so the next person doesn't have to figure out on their own
10:51 cait and then document somewhere, if there are problems
10:50 cait it might be that you just have to test and compare results
10:50 cait the spreadsheet import is not an old feature
10:50 cait I don't know if the elders have an answer for you about this
10:49 gerundio we really need to ear from the koha elders about this default framework spreadsheet import :|
10:48 gerundio btw, fyi, the SQL import on the default framework works as expected
10:47 gerundio and then import "installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/unimarc/mandatory/unimarc_framework_DEFAULT.sql" back, right?
10:46 gerundio to revert it back to the original value I would only have to delete every record in 'marc_tag_structure' and 'marc_subfield_structure' tables whose 'frameworkcode' value = ''
10:44 gerundio and they changed the default framework too
10:43 gerundio I'm know seeing a demo koha setup for a fellow Portuguese library
10:42 drojf even MARC. to a certain point :D
10:42 drojf gerundio: you will get used to it :)
10:41 gerundio all this is new for me
10:41 gerundio I'm now working to build our production environment, but my skills are mostly technical, I don't really know the library language
10:41 cait quite nicely so far :)
10:40 drojf cait: how is that vacation business going? :)
10:40 drojf as you see ;)
10:40 drojf gerundio: bad. problems all around
10:40 drojf i'm actually not really sure if our default framework was changed ;)
10:40 gerundio he built this koha setup with some amount of customization... with manual SQL injection and source code changes along the way
10:39 cait I did it in our production systems too - but as we are not modifying the frameworks much at all, it was probably safer
10:38 cait i did it in he past when I wanted to add german translations
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10:38 drojf cait: its not for tnhe new installation :)
10:38 cait gerundio: it should be possible to delete and recreate it from the sql
10:38 drojf make a copy, change that
10:38 cait drojf: yes, but if it#s too late... :)
10:38 gerundio I'm walking on his footsteps
10:38 drojf do not change the default framework
10:38 gerundio drojf, because my colleague changed it too
10:37 gerundio looks like wise old koha people are still not around
10:37 drojf also, why would you want to import the default framework anyway?
10:37 drojf interesting question actually if it is supported. maybe one of the wise old koha people can answer that.
10:34 gerundio I'm walking on quicksands here
10:34 gerundio nice to know about that
10:32 drojf but i am not sure if replacing the default framework is really supported. everything else relies on that
10:31 drojf no encoding issues in any way
10:31 drojf i just remembered that. and i think i actually had problems with the sql because it did not include everything i would have needed to insert it properly into the db. but i'm really not sure, it was quite some time ago. i think i did not takes notes about that
10:30 gerundio both the CSV and the SQL file seem to have the correct info
10:30 drojf i think it doesnt
10:30 gerundio it mentions "Spreadsheet file"
10:29 drojf or was it the other way round? lol. sorry for spreading disinformation, really not sure
10:29 gerundio does the import feature work with SQL too?
10:29 drojf i vaguely remember that i used sql because i was unsatisfied with csv. don't remember why
10:28 gerundio that resulted in an empty framework
10:28 gerundio I've tried converting the file to utf-8 and import in afterwards
10:28 drojf looks like some encoding problem. have you tried exporting as sql?
10:28 gerundio the weirdest part of it is that this only happens for the default framework
10:27 gerundio lolol
10:27 drojf wahanui is a bot
10:27 drojf lol
10:26 wahanui gerundio: wish i knew
10:26 gerundio wahanui, how did you solve it?
10:26 wahanui i already had it that way, gerundio.
10:26 gerundio everything after the 1st accentuated character is deleted
10:26 gerundio after the import I only get "L"
10:26 gerundio for instance I have this field for "LÃngua do documento", which stands for "Document language"
10:26 gerundio the field names are in Portuguese, which means that a lot of them have ponctuation
10:25 gerundio I've exported the default MARK framework from a koha 3.8 setup to a CVS file and imported it back into another koha 3.8 installation
10:21 drojf i don't think so. what is your problem?
10:21 gerundio have you ever had problems with this koha feature?
10:20 gerundio drojf, I don't know if you were here when I discussed a MARC framework import/export issue I'm experiencing
10:07 gerundio from the trip client to server and back :D
10:06 drojf lol
10:06 gerundio I vote on jet lag
10:06 drojf maybe the permissions just had to sink in :)
10:04 vfernandes oh my god... now it works
10:01 drojf nevermind i was not reading closely. my question does not make sense :)
10:00 drojf vfernandes: that user is not the database user you are only supposed to use for updates by any chance?
09:59 vfernandes now it's working
09:57 vfernandes 3.2.6 but it's working for another users
09:57 gerundio I just did the exact same thing in 3.8 and everything worked as expected
09:57 gerundio vfernandes, which koha version are you using?
09:56 Maxie2012 Will give it it a go and will DEFINITELY need to come back for more assistance!
09:56 vfernandes what's wrong :/
09:56 vfernandes even if I put "superlibrarian" permissions the user can't enter
09:56 Maxie2012 ok, think I got it
09:55 vfernandes I have a user that has permissions to access the staff client but it's always saying "Unauthorized user"
09:54 gerundio hi vfernandes
09:54 vfernandes i'm having one problem with Koha user permissions
09:54 drojf narf. point 2) install debian in a virtual machine in virtualbox
09:54 vfernandes hi guys
09:54 drojf Maxie2012: 1) install virtualbox itself 2) install debian in a virtual machine in debian 3) check the link we just gave you for installation of koha
09:53 Maxie2012 so once I have my virtualbox installed, I need to go into the virtualbox and then download the Koha and install it....did I get that right?
09:51 gerundio well played
09:50 gerundio lolol
09:50 drojf gerundio: mine forwards to yours :)
09:50 gerundio right, drojf?
09:50 gerundio even better: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
09:50 drojf ^^ have a look at that
09:50 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:50 drojf packages?
09:50 drojf to install and update stuff. you will never crawl webpages manually to download new versions and install by hand as you may be used from windows
09:49 drojf it has a package managing system for your software
09:49 drojf Maxie2012: you do that from within debian
09:47 Maxie2012 I also wanted to check (AGAIN!) where I can download the Koha packages for the different versions of Linux?
09:44 Maxie2012 ...and I guess I worry that I'm getting into something bigger than I can handle...!
09:42 Maxie2012 SURE! I'm definitely willing to learn....problem is I have timelines to meet....as do all of you out there I'm sure...
09:42 drojf the biggest part of it is the koha installation itself which is fairly easy with packages. the networking stuff may be the biggest problem before
09:41 gerundio we've all been there :D
09:41 gerundio Maxie2012, drojf is right... it all depends on how far you're willing to go to get the necessary skills
09:40 drojf Maxie2012: as far as you are willing to learn… :)
09:40 gerundio gaetan_B, no problem :)
09:40 Maxie2012 yes...so you reckon even for someone who knows NOTHING about Linux or working with setting up operating systems should be able to handle this right....?
09:40 gaetan_B gerundio: i'm in a meeting sorry
09:40 gerundio gaetan_B, any additional ideas regarding that MARC framework import/export issue?
09:39 gerundio it can be a little overwhelming :)
09:38 Maxie2012 oh I see...
09:36 gerundio the process should be pretty straight forward
09:36 gerundio just replace ubuntu for debian and I think you'll manage
09:35 gerundio http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox
09:35 gerundio I couldn't find any tutorial for installing debian, but here's one for ubuntu
09:35 magnuse you have to download debian and run through a wizard in virtualbox to install it inside virtualbox
09:35 gerundio you have to do it
09:35 Maxie2012 so I install VirtualBox first and then it installs the Debian Squeeze?
09:34 magnuse definitely debian, yes
09:34 gerundio what are you guys recommending, debian?
09:34 gerundio then just choose a Linux distribution to go with it
09:33 magnuse the one that says "VirtualBox 4.2.2 for Windows hosts"
09:32 magnuse https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
09:32 magnuse so anything you do in linux will not affect windows, because virtualbox acts as a "protective layer" between them
09:32 Maxie2012 ok...so how/where do I start?
09:31 magnuse you install virtualbox and then you can run linux "inside" virtualbox
09:31 magnuse having some experience with linux before you start operating a publicly avialable serverer is good :-)
09:31 drojf it does not mess up your windows 7 in any way
09:30 magnuse well, if you do not have much experience with linux i would definitely recommend starting out with virtualbox
09:30 drojf you run linux in the virtual machine on top of whatever operating system you use
09:30 drojf Maxie2012: the point is, you dont need to
09:30 Maxie2012 ...unless you think someone who is a Linux dummy could manage it.....?
09:30 magnuse virtualbox makes that easy and painless :-)
09:29 Maxie2012 the thing is I don't have a Linux server right now & I'm not keen to try and install Linux into my Window 7 desktop...
09:29 magnuse it will only be available to you, though
09:28 magnuse if you install that you can run "virtual machines" on your computer - you can log in to them much the same way you can with a server
09:28 magnuse Maxie2012: https://www.virtualbox.org/
09:27 Maxie2012 meaning? Sorry...I'm really, really new to working in a web environment, know extremely little about infrastructure and what more to say Koha (except for what I saw in the demo)...
09:27 magnuse hiya drojf
09:26 drojf and good day #koha
09:26 drojf +1 for testing locally with virtual machines. you don't need to pay a server for that
09:26 magnuse and you could mess around with it as much as you want and just wipe it and start fresh
09:25 magnuse then you would have a virtual machine running inside your real machine, for free
09:25 magnuse have you considered using e.g. virtualbox for dev/testing?
09:25 Maxie2012 money is always a worry....:(
09:24 Maxie2012 ...basically want to setup a development/test environment AND a production environment
09:24 magnuse unless you don't have to worry about the money, of course :-)
09:24 magnuse i would try the smallest size then, you can resize it later if that is too small
09:23 Maxie2012 It needs to be sufficient for me to install the latest version of Koha with Perl, Apache etc. - I am looking to test Koha and do some customisation work on it
09:22 magnuse Maxie2012: just for testing or for real use?
09:21 Maxie2012 Am planning to sign up with a server hosting service and need to pick a server plan (am considering linode.com as recommended by you guys!).
09:18 Maxie2012 Hi!
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09:09 gerundio the framework remained empty
09:09 gerundio I converted it to utf-8 and the result was far from the expected
09:03 gerundio hmm, the weirdest part is it only happens for the Default MARC framework
09:03 gaetan_B and convert it to utf-8
09:03 gaetan_B try to see which encoding is the file you're trying to import
09:03 gaetan_B gerundio: yes this is exactly what i had, which was due to encoding problems
09:02 gerundio gaetan_B, has this ever happened to you?
09:00 gerundio everything after the 1st accentuated character is deleted
08:59 gerundio after the import I only get "L"
08:59 gerundio for instance I have this field for "LÃngua do documento", which stands for "Document language"
08:58 gerundio the weird thing is that it only happens for field names with punctuation
08:58 gaetan_B i think it hade to do with character encoding, but i'm not too sure. I'm afraid i won't be able to help much here...
08:58 gaetan_B gerundio: hmm i remember struggling quite a lot with the import tool a few months back
08:57 gaetan_B maybe there is no such file for portuguese in the distribution yet
08:56 gaetan_B ah right, then it means i don't have it on my install, i don't know where your file would come from
08:56 gerundio and after I imported it in my own koha installation, the "Default framework" is showing some incomplete fields
08:56 gerundio Portugal != Poland
08:55 gerundio pt-PT :p
08:55 gerundio I've exported them from my colleague's dev koha setup
08:55 gaetan_B for you i guess it will be pl-PL
08:55 gerundio and I'm getting this unexpecteded behavior
08:55 gaetan_B gerundio: look in src/installer/data/mysql
08:54 gerundio I see that our MARK frameworks are all in Portuguese
08:54 gerundio hmm, ok
08:53 gaetan_B gerundio: no, i think it's a specific sql file
08:48 gerundio are the MARC Framework fields translated via the po files?
08:48 gerundio good morning all
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07:08 lds hello
06:48 wahanui hmmm... everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
06:48 emmy hey everyone
06:47 rebazkoya hello , please how to make control number for shelving?
06:36 reiveune hello
06:36 alex_a bonjour
06:36 wikkit hello everyone , I am a new user for koha system , please could you tell me how to make control number ?
06:15 eythian need to figure out how to make it backwards compatible, too.
06:14 magnuse ooh, that would be cool
06:14 rangi *nod*
06:14 eythian First I'd like to have an overhaul of debconf related things, so that all the things you have to put in koha-sites are asked on installation, for example.
06:13 rangi magnuse: thats essentially what it would do
06:13 eythian magnuse: just making it easier, really
06:13 magnuse any reason why anyone would want to use that compared to using koha-common and just adding one instance?
06:13 rangi yep
06:13 eythian also double checking that all our deps are licensed.
06:12 rangi yep, thats pretty much the last bit that needs to be done before we can get a DD to sponsor it for inclusion in debian proper
06:12 magnuse ah, ok
06:12 eythian But there's a fair bit to do before that'll work.
06:12 eythian I'd really like to get it fixed up some time, providing a default install.
06:11 eythian I hope not
06:11 magnuse does anyone ever use the koha package?
06:11 magnuse ah, ok
06:11 eythian also, it's only in master
06:11 eythian it's designed to be used to make development easier
06:10 eythian yeah
06:10 magnuse but only for the master packages?
06:09 * eythian uploads
06:09 eythian yay!
06:09 eythian squeeze-dev|main|i386: koha-perldeps 3.9-1~git+20121024185600.56af4ece
06:09 eythian squeeze-dev|main|i386: koha-deps 3.9-1~git+20121024185600.56af4ece
06:09 eythian squeeze-dev|main|i386: koha-common 3.9-1~git+20121024185600.56af4ece
06:09 eythian squeeze-dev|main|i386: koha 3.9-1~git+20121024185600.56af4ece
06:08 eythian jup
06:08 magnuse ah, to make installing the dependencies easier?
06:07 eythian there's now 'koha-deps' and 'koha-perldeps'
06:07 eythian That's OK
06:07 eythian oh, no.
06:07 eythian hmm, there's one more package than I expected
06:06 magnuse w00t!
06:03 eythian Finally!
06:03 eythian Result: PASS
05:56 eythian yeah
05:56 magnuse leprechauns?
05:56 magnuse ah, maybe
05:54 eythian You're thinking of Ireland perhaps
05:53 magnuse a tiny person standing on a burning fence - that may be commonplace in nz for all i know ;-)
05:53 magnuse :-)
05:52 eythian otherwise the person standing beside it is a) tiny and b) standing on the fence
05:52 eythian rails
05:51 eythian not sure
05:51 magnuse hard to tell if it is the rails or the fence burning?
05:51 magnuse :-)
05:50 eythian http://i.imgur.com/JMkd8.jpg?1 <-- a Delorean just left Tawa at 88mph
05:50 eythian yay, all tests passed. Now I should be able to make a build of master.
05:49 magnuse brings back that first kick of realizing how awesome the packages are :-)
05:48 eythian even better :)
05:47 magnuse and getting the odd reply of "that was quick"
05:46 eythian heh yeah :)
05:46 magnuse it's kind of cool to send a collective email to customers that says "upgrade starts now", and then 5 minutes later "upgrade done" :-)
05:43 eythian awesome :)
05:43 * magnuse just did a very smooth upgrade from 3.8.5 to 3.8.6
05:43 magnuse eythian++
05:43 eythian that was a while ago now
05:33 magnuse on this day in 2010: second leg of The Road Trip, from Rotorua to Wellington - happy times!
05:26 eythian *now
05:26 eythian OK, not it makes sense why that test needs the database.
05:26 eythian ahh
05:23 rangi its only used if you have solr enabled in your sysprefs
05:23 eythian very confusing
05:23 eythian I cannot see why this would end up loading C4/Context.
05:22 eythian assuming that Koha::SearchEngine is used somewhere, it will require Moose.
05:21 eythian I don't know
05:21 wajasu i seem to recal that jcamins said somehting about something using some dependency, if you have it. could the Moose be optional?
05:20 magnuse :-)
05:19 eythian funny, it came out as kai øra
05:19 wajasu oh. wait.
05:18 * magnuse shouts KIA ORA at the top of his lungs
05:18 wajasu i was hoping to get lxc contianers running, so the build server would catch this stuff. well someday,
05:15 eythian oddly, the stuff that's failing now is jcamins_away's code, which shouldn't have this issue.
05:14 eythian it tried to load Koha::SearchEngine, which failed due to no moose
05:13 eythian s/function/test/
05:13 eythian No, the 00-load function caught it
05:13 eythian Oh
05:13 eythian if me, no. It's in db_dependent, which is skipped by default.
05:13 wajasu you. does a test use moose? or did you find it elsewhere?
05:12 eythian who?
05:11 wajasu did you run Search.t
05:11 eythian It will slow pageloads on a CGI setup quite a bit apparently
05:11 eythian it is, it shouldn't be there.
05:11 wajasu well, i thougth i remember jcamins saying it might be too heavyweight.
05:09 libsysguy really wajasu?
05:09 eythian odd, I can't find what class it is that's the problem here.
05:08 wajasu this moose showing up is surprising to me.
05:06 * eythian grumbles
05:06 eythian Oh look, another test requiring the db
05:06 eythian rangi for pi!
05:04 wajasu lol
05:03 libsysguy I wish it wasn't the dead of night so I could laugh harder
05:02 rangi Like hell
05:02 libsysguy kind of has a ring to it
05:02 libsysguy rangi for 3.14
05:02 libsysguy rangi 3.14
05:01 rangi Course neither of us are rm for 3.10
05:00 rangi We both gave up trying to get the solr stuff working with the debian packaged version of moose
04:58 rangi Jcamins tested 3.6.x in clean
04:55 eythian :)
04:55 * libsysguy zips his lips
04:55 eythian it's not nice for me when I have to add dependencies because the people who were supposed to didn't :)
04:54 eythian so tests pass or fail based on that.
04:54 libsysguy well that is certainly nice for package users
04:53 eythian (the package build process makes a chroot and ensures that only the stuff listed as a dependency is installed)
04:53 libsysguy and there was a module he needed from cpan
04:53 libsysguy I thought jcamins was testing it at some point
04:52 eythian so they don't notice when dependencies are missing.
04:52 libsysguy I was wondering about that
04:52 eythian It also concerns me that no one is testing it in a clean environment.
04:52 eythian I tend to agree, but it's there.
04:52 libsysguy I thought rangi swore till his dying day that Moose would never make it in :p
04:50 eythian libsysguy: since Koha::SearchEngine was put in.
04:46 libsysguy moose is required? since when?
04:46 libsysguy rangi maybe wizzyrea meant the umlaut
04:29 eythian darn it, master won't build without moose.
04:28 eythian heh
04:27 rangi Wtf
04:27 huginn rangi: Quote #161: "* wizzyrea prefers pricks" (added by kf at 02:18 PM, October 18, 2011)
04:27 rangi @quote random
04:19 libsysguy being_awake--
04:11 eythian uh oh
04:10 eythian # Error: Can't locate Moose.pm
04:10 eythian # Tried to use 'Koha::SearchEngine'.
04:10 eythian # at t/00-load.t line 48.
04:10 eythian # Failed test 'use Koha::SearchEngine;'
03:02 eythian jcamins_away: 3.6.10 packages uploading now
01:37 drojf being_awake--
01:37 drojf mveron++
00:10 jcamins mveron++
00:09 mveron Good night #koha
00:09 mveron Oh. it's 2 a.m. and I hav to get out early. Will do some more translating tomorrow...