Time Nick Message 00:01 jcamins bug 6800 00:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Koha authentication should handle proxies better 00:01 jcamins Looks like that'd be required for Plack. 00:02 eythian hmm, annoying. Though you could do it at the apache level. 00:03 jcamins Except that Plack returns a status of 200. 00:03 eythian oh, not helpful. 00:03 jcamins Nope. 00:12 jcamins drojf: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack#Another_option_using_Starman_and_nginx 00:12 jcamins drojf: also, why are you awake? 00:14 wajasu jcamins: i am looking to test bug 8823 00:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record ($9 RLIN) 00:14 jcamins wajasu: it's 3.8.x only. 00:14 wajasu so its fixed on master? 00:15 jcamins No, it just doesn't happen on master. 00:16 wajasu for someone moving from 3.0.1 to 3.10, is there a script that needs to run to remove "machine generated" duplicate authority records. (when on e had auto generate and do allow). 00:16 jcamins No. 00:16 jcamins There is no script. 00:19 wajasu do we need a bug? and a script? for migrations. 00:20 jcamins There's a bug, somewhere. 00:21 jcamins That's not getting fixed in 3.10, though. 00:22 wajasu i think my 3.0 lib has tons of auth dups. maybe generated each time a different biblio is catalogued for the same author. for names, and subj headings, etc. 00:23 jcamins Certainly. 00:23 jcamins bug 7418 00:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7418 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add heading flipper script 00:23 jcamins No. 00:23 jcamins bug 7419 00:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script 00:23 jcamins There's the bug. 00:23 jcamins But it's not a candidate for 3.10. 00:24 wajasu to risky? 00:25 jcamins Right. 00:25 jcamins That's why you have the FirstMatch and LastMatch linker modules. 00:25 jcamins So you can work with a real-world authority file and not just an ideal one. 00:26 wajasu you mean one paid for/ subscribed from some outfit? 00:27 jcamins Meh. They're rarely perfect, just better. 00:29 wajasu if i wipe the auth records (all auto generated), and did some sort of touch all biblios (that used your linker, i think i would be in good shape). 00:30 jcamins I am not sure there is a script for automatically regenerating all records. 00:30 jcamins I don't remember how low level touch_all_biblios.pl is. 00:30 wajasu i'll look it at. 00:31 jcamins However, that's unnecessary for testing bug 8823. 00:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record ($9 RLIN) 00:31 jcamins Just create a new record with a new heading. 00:31 wajasu but it would have to remove all the $9 rlin links, right ? 00:31 wajasu i think i have a handle on 8823. 00:32 jcamins No. 00:32 jcamins If you have a new record, it won't have any links to begin with. 00:32 wajasu are the $9 links inthe biblio marcxml? 00:33 jcamins Yes. 00:33 jcamins Also in the marc. 00:33 wajasu so wouldn 00:33 jcamins However, what is it you're trying to do? 00:34 wajasu clean out all the autogenerated auth records. and reprocess the bibs, so they regen auth records without dups. 00:35 jcamins Okay, why don't you just delete all the authority records then? 00:36 wajasu ok. that makes sense. are the authority links in the 1) auth records, pointing to the biblio records OR 2) the biblio records contain links pointing to the auth records? 00:36 jcamins 2. 00:37 wajasu those are all $9RLIN fields, correct? 00:37 jcamins Right. 00:37 wajasu if i delete the auth records, don't i need to clean up the dangling $9 links? 00:38 wajasu or does your linker code do that for me? 00:38 jcamins Run link_bibs_to_authorities. 00:38 jcamins (after deleting the records) 00:38 wajasu well, thats the script i was looking for :) 00:39 wajasu so i don't need a dedup script, since all my auth recs were machine generated. 00:39 jcamins Ah. 00:43 wajasu new question: when an auth record is updated, does koha overwrite certain authority managed fields (names, subject headings), or add repeatable fields to enrich the biblio? 00:44 jcamins It depends how you have the syspref dontmerge set. 00:44 wajasu good answer. 00:45 wajasu i think i am going to do a test run, and see if whats on master has all the things my librarian is mift about. 00:45 wajasu hopefully fixed. 00:50 wajasu does the authority search popup, show all the possible matches including the "braoder_headings" ones? 00:50 jcamins No. 00:50 jcamins That would be equivalent to ignoring any user input after the first time they hit space. 00:53 wajasu when i do the migration, i need to run the remove_biblioitems script right after the webinstaller runs, correct? 00:53 jcamins Around then, yes. 00:55 wajasu i really, appreciate all the work you are doing with search, and the free advice. thanks. 00:55 jcamins You're welcome. 00:55 jcamins eythian: can I specify multiple --keyring options for pbuilder? 00:56 eythian I don't know 00:56 jcamins Nor do I. 00:56 jcamins I will experiment. 00:57 eythian though, you could combine the keys into a single keyring perhaps. 00:57 wajasu FYI: another up and coming indexer: sphinx - http://sphinxsearch.com/docs/1.10/ref-indexer.html 00:57 wajasu but i am hopeful that ICU is coming along. 00:57 jcamins Nice thing about having a fast system with lots of RAM and a good internet connection: it probably doesn't matter if it takes a while. 00:59 eythian The keyring option passes on to debootstrap I think, if that's helpful. 01:00 wajasu note: the sphinx - maintains the "full index" like zebra would, and also keeps a small recent index that is quick and runs sub minute, and queries go against the both indexes, i believe. 01:01 jcamins Right now I'm trying it without the keyring for debian.k-c.org, since I'm not actually sure I'm configuring the pbuilder environment correctly. 01:03 jcamins Looks like it's working. 01:03 jcamins Though, you said you build packages against wheezy, didn't you? 01:04 eythian my pbuilder env is, yeah. 01:04 eythian I should change that, and have two running for testing purposes. 01:06 jcamins I'm going to continue building against squeeze. 01:06 eythian OK 01:07 * jcamins knew you were waiting with bated breath to hear what he was doing. 01:07 eythian you're testing my koha-shell command! 01:07 eythian :) 01:08 jcamins No, right now I'm setting up my new development server. 01:11 jcamins Ugh. 01:11 jcamins 251MB. 01:11 jcamins Uploading this is not going to work. 01:24 user110 new dev server? 01:24 user110 sun server? 01:25 jcamins user110: no, I set up a server for RMing which I'll be using to push to the sun server. 01:25 user110 ic 01:25 jcamins user110: why "user110"? 01:25 user110 at home 01:25 jcamins Ah. 01:25 eythian 000-109 were taken? 01:25 jcamins Shouldn't you be doing something... not involving #koha? 01:26 rambutan actually I just installed viking gps a couple of nights ago--I'm playing with it 01:26 rambutan and this is what I do for fun anyway lots of the time 01:27 * jcamins will wandering off for dinner and Star Trek in a few minutes. 01:27 jcamins Shari got home about ten minutes ago. 01:28 rambutan I have some vague notion that Shari works in a library? 01:28 jcamins Nope. Actually she's been extra-ing a lot recently. 01:28 jcamins (for TV shows, ads, that sort of thing) 01:29 rambutan extra-ing? actress? 01:29 rambutan ic 01:31 jcamins She's not an actress, generally speaking. She decided to try extraing to see what it was like, and has been really enjoying it. 01:33 rambutan I was in a couple of Korean movies and Korean TV ads. It was interesting. 01:34 rambutan [off] for being pocket change, the pay was good, but the disorganization of the directing and filming was hilarious 01:35 eythian http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0790724/ <-- and you can end up like the famous Alexander Rhodes, ranking above Tom Cruise. 01:38 rambutan I might actually have to go see that. 02:43 eythian wahanui: all movements are targets in the minds of tigers. 02:43 wahanui OK, eythian. 04:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:31 wajasu hi 04:32 * wajasu migrating 3.0 to master 04:33 * wajasu loaded db, ran webinstaller, ran remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl 04:54 mtompset Shouldn't you run that script BEFORE the webinstaller? 04:55 mtompset I'm just asking. I don't know. 04:55 mtompset Greetings, cait. 04:55 cait hi mtompset 04:55 mtompset 5 hours to till the meeting. 04:55 mtompset (roughly) 04:57 cait yeah 04:57 cait soon... 05:07 mtompset Greetings, vimal! 05:07 mtompset Glad to see you figured out how to get here. :) 05:12 mtompset I guess he's got a bad internet connection. :( 05:28 cait morning sophie_m - up early :) 05:29 sophie_m Hello cait, so do you :-) 05:30 sophie_m today i'm a working from home so computer is on early, but I am not really ready 05:31 rangi lucky no webcam then!! :) 05:31 rangi evening all 05:31 BobB hi rangi, good evening everyone 05:33 cait hi all :) 05:33 cait sophie_m: same for me - still at home 05:33 cait and not ready :) 05:34 BobB I have a question ... 05:35 BobB A librarian has noted that in Circulation, you can check out only by bar code (which is true). She wants to be able to check out by Title. Any comments? 05:36 BobB I think the situation is that the patron is on the phone, and the librarian wants to check the book out and mail it to the patron. She may not have the item to hand. 05:37 rangi would need significant amount of work 05:37 cait I think by title would be quite dangerous 05:37 rangi title is not stored at item level 05:37 cait why not search for the right item and place it in the cart? then print a list? 05:37 cait or put a hold on it with the search for hold feature from the patron account? 05:37 rangi we would have to slow circ down by checking the marc 05:37 rangi and as we all know title is not unique 05:38 cait there are lots of books with similar or the same title even but different content, I think it would be difficult to get the right one 05:38 rangi (not even thinking about mulitple copies of the same thing, but often 2 distinct books have the same title) 05:38 BobB Yes cait, if a bib had two items, you could check one out and send the other to the patron, very easily I would think. 05:39 BobB yes rangi, I see that too. 05:39 cait what if they have different itemtypes? 05:39 rangi yep, what circ rules to apply 05:39 BobB wow! 05:39 cait which would the system choose? 05:39 BobB So I could argue to her that it is not usual practice, and has a number of risks 05:40 rangi yep 05:40 cait I think I would just open 2 tabs if she wants to do that - one for circ and one for the search and then search my tittles and copy the barcodes over 05:40 rangi and would slow circulation down 05:40 rangi so would be unlikely to ever be accepted as a feature 05:40 rangi so would have to be a locally maintained mod 05:40 BobB Thank you both, that's been incredibly useful. Glad I asked. 05:41 rangi (koha couldnt know if something was a barcode or title) 05:41 rangi so would have to search both 05:41 BobB We don't do locally maintained mods. Cait's idea of two tabs is a winner, in my mind. 05:41 rangi yep 05:41 cait suggesting some workarounds 05:41 rangi @quote get 123 05:41 huginn rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 05:42 BobB Very cool. Thank you. 05:43 cait BobB: we got the meeting today - but I guess it's too late for Australia? 05:44 BobB No, we hope to be there. 05:44 rangi earlier than here :) 05:44 cait ah right :) 05:44 cait how much time difference is it between australia and nz? 05:44 BobB We have to go and visit a young lady in hospital, but hope to be back on time. 05:45 BobB rangi are you on daylight saving there? 05:45 BobB Its been two hours, but is it three now? 05:45 BobB Or one? which way is the world spinning? 05:45 rangi yep 05:46 rangi 11pm for us 05:46 BobB Ok, so its still two hours difference. Cool. 05:46 cait ah 05:49 * magnuse waves 05:50 magnuse jcamins++ for documenting his plack/starman/nginx findings on the wiki 05:51 cait mrning magnuse :) 05:51 cait another early bird :) 05:51 magnuse yup 05:51 magnuse i'll not insist on getting any of the worms, though 05:53 cait magnuse: you ate frog, now you refuse the worms? ;) 05:54 magnuse sure! 05:56 cait picky! 05:59 magnuse yup 06:08 magnuse yay for 191 developers! 06:12 alex_a bonjour 06:17 cait guten morgen alex_a :) 06:22 alex_a guten morgen cait :) 06:43 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:43 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.9°C (8:40 AM CEST on October 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 06:43 magnuse meeting in ~ 3 hours and 20 minutes, right? 06:45 cait yep 06:45 cait getting nervous! 06:45 cait we should recruit some more bug wranglers 06:45 * cait eyes magnuse again 06:45 * magnuse ducks 06:47 mtompset bug wranglers? 06:47 mtompset What's the job description? 06:48 magnuse well, there isn't really one 06:48 magnuse but it's basically keeping an eye on bugzilla 06:48 magnuse look out for duplicates 06:48 magnuse encourage people to sign off etc 06:48 magnuse do the occasional cleaning, marking bugs resolved 06:49 magnuse or at least that's my take on it 06:49 magnuse encourage people to take part in global bug squashing days 06:50 magnuse mveron++ for volunteering as wrangler 06:50 cait mtompset: it's les formal than some other roles I would say 06:50 magnuse definitely 06:52 mtompset Well, Vimal was here earlier. I know he hopes to attend the meeting today. 06:52 cait have to run bbl 06:52 mtompset I hope is internet connectivity is good enough. 06:57 drojf jcamins++ # nifty plack stuff 06:58 drojf jcamins_away: also, as you may have figuered out by now, i wasn't awake ;) 06:58 reiveune hello 06:58 drojf good day #koha 07:02 rangi hi drojf, reiveune, magnuse 07:03 drojf hi rangi 07:03 magnuse kia ora rangi 07:03 reiveune :) 07:14 kf hi #koha 07:15 gaetan_B hello 07:15 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B 07:17 rangi hi gaetan_B and kf 07:19 kf hi rangi :) 07:19 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/gitbuilder/ 07:20 rangi now when tests fail that will automatically git bisect to find the commit 07:20 rangi mtj: you about? 07:20 drojf hi kf 07:21 kf hi drojf 07:21 kf drojf: bug wrangler? :) 07:25 kf .... and he is bug wrangling again... that norwegian developer... 07:27 rangi magnuse++ 07:29 drojf kf: should really be doing more uni, less playing with koha, so i'd prefer to not label myself bug wrangler. will have a look at the bugtracker anyway ;) 07:29 kf you will end up doing it anyway 07:30 kf so why not have a nice and shiny label? ;) 07:30 * mtompset grins, "I like the way you think, kf." 07:30 rangi hmmm 07:31 rangi reiveune: are you on the main koha list? 07:31 reiveune rangi: mmmh , good question 07:31 * kf got lots of mails in french - someone on vacation maybe? 07:31 drojf yes, answering every mail 07:32 reiveune koha devel, yes 07:32 kf I got 4 07:32 drojf i got 3 07:32 rangi yeah 07:32 drojf so there is more coming ;) 07:32 kf hm I got one from the postmaster and 3 fromthe person 07:32 drojf ah yes there was another one 07:33 rangi reiveune: Je suis actuellement en formation jusqu'en mai 2013. 07:33 rangi Merci de bien vouloir adresser votre demande à l'adresse suivante : 07:33 rangi cefedem@cefedem-rhonealpes.org 07:33 rangi someone doing trainign until may 2013 ? 07:33 * rangi will switch them to nomail if that is true 07:33 drojf that will be a lot of emails 07:34 reiveune i need to go 07:34 reiveune bye 07:34 * magnuse was mostly generating some numbers for http://div.libriotech.no/kohachange/ - a little something that tracks the changes since last time it was run, just for fun 07:34 rangi cool 07:34 rangi darn 07:34 kf hm? 07:34 rangi hmmm, gaetan_B you speak french right 07:35 rangi hehe 07:35 kf google translate?:) 07:35 rangi yep, it is trainig until may 2013 07:35 rangi according to google 07:35 rangi right nomail it is 07:37 gaetan_B rangi: yes, i do what is it ? 07:38 rangi scrollback i pasted some french in the channel 07:38 gaetan_B i haven't seen a french email coming on the lists... 07:38 kf gaetan_B: you will get plenty when you happen to answer an email there :) 07:38 rangi it seems to only be sent to ppl who email the main koha list 07:38 rangi ;) 07:38 mib_y3tnsg hello to everyone 07:39 rangi google translate tells me it says they will be away until may 2013, just wanted to check that was really what it said 07:39 gaetan_B oh yes i saw the above message, that's what it's aying yes, i guess they should be redirected, if we don't have a way to reach this peron before may 2013 :d 07:40 gaetan_B (i hadn't looked higher before...) 07:40 rangi thanks 07:41 drojf hmm. berlin wants to have "free" wifi in the city. done by private companies. paid by either ads or user data ("like facebook"). great :( not that there is freifunk which is a free grassroots movement, but THEY (and every other citizen) get prevented from sharing wifi by judges making them accountable for everything that happens over an unencrypted network. of course we can deregulate that for companies to make money 07:42 drojf berlin-- 07:43 mtompset I just read "User management: Koha manages your users, including integration with systems like LDAP, Radius, Active Directory and SAML, to allow single sign-on." (http://onl.org.nz/koha-features) ... does anyone know about this SAML stuff? 07:44 mib_y3tnsg do you know if the koha can be updated without problems from version 3.04 to 3.8.5 stable, backing up first mysql and then restore it in the 3.8.5 stable version without problems? 07:45 mtompset mib_y3tnsg: There's a script to run, can't recall the name of it... How did you install 3.8.5? What OS are you using? 07:46 mtompset I would rather recommend exporting all the MARC from the old version, and reimporting it. It's less technical. 07:46 mib_y3tnsg I have debian 07:46 rangi yep you have to have a saml server set up 07:47 mtj mib_y3tnsg, short answer… yes :) 07:47 rangi saml is a pita 07:47 mtompset Let's say I have saml set up. 07:47 mtompset (which I think I do) 07:47 mtompset How do I authenticate/log in with it? 07:48 mib_y3tnsg I haven't install yet 3.8.5, I just want first to learn if there is any problem with mysql 07:48 drojf mtompset mib_y3tnsg exporting all marc does not really help with settings, user data etc 07:48 rangi saml sets a cookie, you have to check that, its similar to the X509 stuff 07:49 mtompset Is there a patch for Koha to do this? 07:49 rangi mtompset: no 07:49 rangi because its not a general thingy 07:49 rangi its different depending on your saml implementation 07:49 mtompset Neither is LDAP or CAS. ;) 07:50 rangi both of those are far more general 07:50 rangi and have standards that people actually adhere too 07:51 mtompset So the SAML integration was a custome one off? 07:51 drojf mib_y3tnsg: importing into 3.8.5 should be working. you need to run remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl afterwards and i think 07:51 rangi i think 3 different ones 07:52 rangi why? 07:52 mib_y3tnsg <mtompset>: Can you post a link of it? 07:52 mtompset I have to figure out how to do SAML for us. :) 07:52 mtompset debian? 07:52 wahanui debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 07:52 mtompset packages? 07:52 wahanui somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 07:53 mtompset mib_y3tnsg: I'd following those instructions. 07:53 mtompset (since you are using Debian) 07:53 rangi https://code.google.com/p/modmellon/ 07:53 rangi has a deb 07:55 mtompset But Koha is a service provider... the mod_mellon interacts with the IdP for the apache requests? 07:55 rangi yep 07:55 rangi and it sets env vars 07:55 rangi that koha can use to see if a user is authenticated 07:56 mib_y3tnsg http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/31795398/upgrade This guide, is it correct to follow? 07:57 mtompset No, mib_y3tnsg. 07:57 rangi no 08:00 mtompset So, then, rangi... how does an upgrade work? Did you have to modify Auth.pm? 08:01 rangi nope cos the x509 stuff deals with env vars 08:02 mib_y3tnsg so,is there a correct guide to follow in update koha and also keep the database as it is after the update? 08:03 mtompset packages? 08:03 wahanui rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 08:04 mtompset Koha is pretty smart about not blowing away data. 08:04 mtompset Install the packages according to these instructions (since you probably used an ancient LiveCD) 08:04 mtompset and then run the script it tells you while installing. 08:06 mtompset That's my suggestion. 08:06 mib_y3tnsg <mtompset> ok, thanks 08:06 drojf you're missing the point where the old data gets magically inserted into that installation. 08:08 mtompset Right... because the DB isn't going to be called koha_<instance name> 08:09 mtompset Thanks for pointing that out, drojf. 08:09 mtompset After doing the koha-create command, you'll need to copy the data from the old DB into the new one. 08:10 mib_y3tnsg <mtompset> the script that you said before, that i have to run it while installing, is it appear during installing the new version or simultaneously run it with installation. The script you said, where can i find it? 08:10 mtompset once you do the "sudo apt-get install koha-common" 08:11 mtompset at some point in time a screen saying something about upgrading from 3.2 to 3.4 run a script. 08:11 mib_y3tnsg ok 08:11 drojf (09:46:55) drojf: mib_y3tnsg: importing into 3.8.5 should be working. you need to run remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl afterwards and i think 08:11 drojf that script 08:11 mtompset if he does a packages install the script is named differently. 08:11 drojf oh. it is? 08:12 mtompset koha-upgrade-to-3.4 08:12 mtompset Had to look it up. 08:12 rangi the script is the same 08:13 mtompset Yes, but named differently. :) 08:13 rangi the packages just have that one as well, which does the remove items 08:13 rangi and then rebuilds zebra 08:13 rangi no, not named differently 08:13 rangi as well as 08:13 mtompset oh, okay. 08:13 * mtompset points at rangi, "Expert!" 08:14 mtompset Librarian colleague having issues... got to go deal with them. 08:21 mib_y3tnsg the upgrade would be in steps? for example, from 3.0 to 3.2 and then 3.2 to 3.4 and then 3.4 to 3.6 and finally 3.6 to 3.8 or can I upgrade from 3.0 to 3.8 at once? 08:21 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "just under 2 hours to #kohails irc meeting, deciding roles for 3.12 release" 08:25 kf reminder - good idea :) 08:30 gaetan_B kf: tell me what you think... in tables presenting items, the location is usually displayed under the homebranch. I tend to think it would make more sense to have it under the holdingbranch. Or do you see a reason why it wouldn't ? 08:31 kf hm 08:31 kf we can not be sure the location exists at the holdingbranch 08:31 kf I would think homebranch is the right one 08:31 kf does it display both now? :( 08:32 gaetan_B my idea is that if the item is not located in it's homebranch, then the homebranch location doesn't make sense 08:32 gaetan_B to the user 08:32 kf what I thin is that a library getting the book from another library is not going to change the location to their own - because it will be sent back once the hold has been filled 08:32 gaetan_B and the holdingbranch might/would have locations on it's own 08:33 kf it might be different for floating collections - but I think most of the time it will get sent back 08:33 gaetan_B i see, it depends on the usage indeed 08:35 kf yeah, I think it's one of those 123 cases 08:37 drojf mib_y3tnsg: what i would try: do an installation of koha-common (3.8.5) like described on the wiki. create an instance (koha create <instancename>), open the staff client and run the web installer. when that is finished, try to import your sql dump into that new instance. the instance and the database user will be named koha_<instancename>, so if you did "koha-create koha", it is called koha_koha. so you would do "mysql -u koha_koha -p koha_koha < myda 08:37 gaetan_B hrmmf i'm not really satisfied with this, but i don't see myself asking for one more syspref just to cover this... 08:39 kf gaetan_B: yeah :( 08:39 gaetan_B maybe i could do some javascript to move it around 08:39 kf I think you could 08:39 kf and if it does not work well, add id's 08:39 kf well classes 08:39 kf because we have more than one location in an item table, but the same :) 08:39 gaetan_B actually there are classes already :) 08:40 kf :) 08:40 kf good morning paul_p 08:40 gaetan_B it's a span with class"shelvingloc" 08:40 gaetan_B and the td also have classes, so i'll give it a shot 08:48 monirul hello 08:48 wahanui hey, monirul 08:48 monirul I have installed koha 3.8 in debian squeeze 08:49 monirul Our library is now using libsys(LsPremia) 08:49 kf hi monirul 08:49 kf I don't know the system - where are you from? 08:49 monirul from Kolkata India 08:50 kf ah nice, I am from germany 08:50 kf brb 08:50 monirul great 08:50 monirul can you assist me to migrate data from libsys to koha 08:52 monirul second thing is how can i delete all catalogue record 08:52 mib_y3tnsg <drojf> do you know if is there any problem with incompatibilty in database? 08:53 monirul libsys uses oracle 08:54 monirul but it is not possible to find out the linkages between the tables 08:54 mveron Hi #koha 08:55 drojf monirul: a complete data migration from one system to another is nothing that people here will be able to walk you through here on irc. all help here is done by volunteers donating there time for free. you may consider asking on the mailing list of someone has experience with migrating from the system you are using or ask one of the support companies to do it for you (as a paid service). if you choose to do it yourself it might be a lot of work. it is d 08:56 cjh Hi mveron 08:56 mveron Hi cjh 08:56 drojf mib_y3tnsg: the upgrade schema and upgrade to 3.4 stuff should take care of that 08:56 drojf hi mveron 08:57 mveron hi drojf 08:57 * mveron would like to see drojf as co-bugwrangler :-) 08:58 kf drojf: see, mveron supports me :) 08:58 * magnuse too 08:58 kf mveron: I have been trying to persuade magnuse too.... but he is being stubborn :) 08:58 mveron kf: Of course :-) 08:59 mveron ... I mean supporting... 08:59 drojf i'll do it if magnuse does it :P 08:59 cjh heh 08:59 kf hi cjh :) 08:59 magnuse gah 09:00 magnuse but i won't have time to contribute much... 09:00 cjh kf: hey kf :) 09:00 drojf magnuse: same for me 09:00 kf I think if you keep what you are doing now it should be fine 09:00 kf keep doing 09:01 * mveron would feel better in a bug wranglr team... 09:01 drojf are you the only one right now? 09:02 magnuse gah, sign me up then 09:02 mveron drojf: I suppose so 09:03 kf yay! 09:03 cjh awesome :) 09:03 mveron magnuse ++ 09:03 drojf guess i'm in then too ;) 09:03 kf magnuse++ and drojf++ 09:03 mveron drojf ++ 09:03 kf yep you are 09:03 magnuse drojf: yay! 09:03 drojf :) 09:04 drojf i consider mveron the bug wrangler manager i can hide behind if i don't have time :P 09:05 gaetan_B in marc21, does the statement of responsibility in 245c contain all the responsibilities ? 09:06 gaetan_B or just the main responsibility ? 09:06 kf hm I think it's repeatable - maybe look at the examples in the documentation? 09:07 kf http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd260.html 09:07 drojf loc says "First statement of responsibility and/or remaining data in the field that has not been subfielded by one of the other subfield codes." 09:08 kf oh 09:08 kf I am in the wrong field 09:08 kf oups 09:08 kf I totally misread, ignore me 09:08 drojf heh you confused me 09:08 kf sorry :) 09:08 kf http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd245.html 09:09 kf I was working with 260 yesterday, guess they are still stuck in my brain 09:11 vfernandes hi Koha community :D 09:11 cjh hey vfernandes 09:11 vfernandes i need your help to build one report if it's possible 09:12 vfernandes the report needs to list the items which the library was changed 09:14 mtompset Has anyone here experienced the item section of for new acquisitions from an external source being empty with no add/clear? 09:14 vfernandes for example the cataloguer changes the holdingbranch or the homebranch the item will appear in the report 09:15 kf mtompset: and your quantity is not writeable? 09:15 kf vfernandes: I am not sure if items has a timestamp 09:16 kf vfernandes: or if the catalogueing logs if turned on wouuld notice the change 09:16 mtompset I don't know. 09:16 kf you will have to dig and test a bit maybe 09:17 vfernandes the action log saves the operation but through it I can't say if the change was a library change 09:17 vfernandes that's my problem 09:19 kf if you want to know if the branch has been changed 09:19 kf I think you have to check if you can get that from the cataloguing logs 09:19 kf the log has to be activated in the system preference 09:19 kf ah, but if you already checked, then their might be no way currently 09:21 vimal Hi All I am vimal , I am here to discuss about release of Koha Live CD 09:21 mtompset Greetings, vimal. 09:21 vimal Thank u 09:21 mtompset Welcome.. The meeting is in another 40 minutes. 09:21 vimal ic 09:21 vimal I came early !! 09:21 mtompset Early is good. 09:21 kf it's 40 minutes to the meeting :) 09:22 vimal I will wait 09:22 drojf Letters.pm says "# If we have any attachments we should encode then into the body." -- what attachments would koha send? 09:23 mtompset You can get to know the other major Koha contributors and solutions to various problems while waiting. :) 09:23 vimal ok 09:25 mtompset For example, jcamins_away (he'll probably come back just before the meeting) is the proposed release manager for 3.12 09:25 kf drojf: overdues has an attachement sent to the library when there are no email addresses for the patrons 09:25 kf so you can use that to mail them 09:25 mtompset kf is the proposed Quality Assurance Manager for 3.12 09:25 kf drojf: and the cart and lists send attachements I think - at leat the cart does 09:26 drojf ah i see. thanks kf 09:27 mtompset mtj is up for Installation Documentation Manager and a role on the Quality Assurance Team. 09:27 vfernandes thanks kf anyway for the help ;) 09:28 mtompset eythian is the guy that packages everything up nicely for the koha-common packages. 09:28 mtompset VM Manager? 09:29 mtompset What role is that? 09:30 mtompset anyways... all will make sense in 30 minutes or so. :) 09:31 cjh :) 09:33 mtompset Such a dramatic exit. :) 09:37 kf mtompset? 09:37 wahanui mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. 09:38 mtompset No, can't change the quantity as far as I know. 09:38 mtompset I was just trying to look at the template file. 09:40 kf maybe a js error 09:40 kf ? 09:40 mtompset Not sure... 09:41 mtompset because somehow it works on my QA system, but not my live. 09:41 mtompset So, I need to figure out what the difference is. 09:41 kf accreateitem setting? 09:41 kf acq framework not having fields? 09:43 mtompset acq framework has fields. 09:43 mtompset and both place an order 09:44 kf check for javascript errors? 09:44 kf and has it a 952 with some subfields? 09:44 mtompset how? 09:44 kf firebug 09:44 mtompset Hmm... 09:45 mtompset have to look up what he was trying to do. 09:47 mtompset You have to be kidding me! I blame Firefox. :P 09:48 mtompset I did what he did and it worked for me. 09:48 mtompset I just checked the about Firefox, and now it's downloading a new version. 09:48 mtompset Greetings, oleonard! :) 09:49 oleonard Firefox's about Firefox is like Schroedinger's cat 09:50 mtompset It's alive and dead simultaneously? 09:51 oleonard Observing it changes its state 09:52 mtompset I'm about to restart firefox... here comes a bump! 09:53 mtompset Greetings again, #koha. 09:53 mtompset So, kf, you might be on to something. 09:54 mtompset Because it seems strange... item appears empty, and expands to be full after. 09:54 cjh is there a wiki page somewhere on what 'bug wrangling' entails? 09:54 mtompset if that is triggered by java script, then perhaps there is a javascript error. 09:55 kf cjh: not a formal page no - magnuse explained a bit earlier today 09:56 cjh ahh ty, how do I volunteer? 09:57 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 09:57 mveron cjh: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3_4_Bug_Wrangler 09:57 tcohen hi mtompset 09:57 kf http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2012-10-10#i_1100065 09:57 kf cjh: you can put your name on the wiki 09:57 kf roles? 09:57 kf roles for 3.12? 09:57 mveron http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12 09:57 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12 09:58 mveron :-) 09:58 mtompset "ask for automated testing whenever possible. " --- that sounds like jcamins_away. ;) 09:58 cjh mveron: kf thanks :) 09:59 magnuse yay for automated testing! 10:00 mtompset i'm tempted to write a "click every link once" test. 10:01 magnuse mtompset: that could be done! 10:01 mtompset And it would be useful too. 10:01 mtompset There are a surprising number of "silent warnings" flooding error logs that could be caught. 10:02 mtompset By the way, who is the moderator of the meeting? 10:02 mtompset I thought Brooke is travelling. 10:02 druthb Brooke is traveling, yes. 10:03 kf I can do it 10:03 kf if it's ok? 10:03 rangi kf++ 10:03 oleonard Thanks kf 10:03 druthb kf++ 10:03 magnuse kf++ 10:03 mveron kf ++ 10:03 talljoy kf++ 10:03 cjh I think that is a yes :) 10:03 tajoli kf+ 10:03 kf just give me a sec to open the needed windows and close some :) 10:03 mtompset kf++ 10:04 drojf cool it's meeting time and my wifi gets crazy again :D 10:04 mtompset +1 for kf moderating. :) 10:04 kf ok, I am ready :) 10:05 kf #startmeeting 10:05 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 10:05 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 10 10:01:54 2012 UTC. The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:05 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 10:05 kf Welcome to today's Koha IRC meeting 10:05 kf everyone please introduce yourself with #intro followed by your name 10:05 kf ah sec 10:05 kf #topic Introductions 10:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 10:05 kf and #info... 10:05 wahanui i heard #info was it not important to remember that there should not be 2 Koha conferences in the same financial year. So KohaCon13 would need to be after July 2013 10:06 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater 10:06 talljoy #intro Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions 10:06 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catatlyst IT, NZ 10:06 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:06 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 10:06 drojf # info Mirko Tietgen, mostly Koha hobbyist, HU Berlin 10:06 tajoli #intro Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy 10:06 cjh #intro Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ 10:06 mveron #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag (www.veron.ch), Allschwil, Switzerland, member of Koha Support Schweiz 10:06 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 10:06 vimal Vimal from India 10:06 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:06 bgkriegel #info bgkriegel, Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina 10:06 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd, UK 10:06 mtompset #info Mark Tompsett, Canadian in the Philippines. :) 10:06 mtj #info Mason James, NZ 10:06 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ 10:06 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Córdoba, Argentina 10:06 paul_p_ #info Paul POULAIN, BibLibre, France 10:07 kf I would also like to encourage people who are not listed on the page yet to add their names to the roles for later election 10:07 drojf like kf for chair? :) 10:07 mtompset Psst... vimal, you need to start with #info first. 10:07 kf #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12 10:07 cjh so should I have used #info rather than #intro ? 10:07 kf the agenda for today's meeting is at 10:07 kf #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_10_October_2012 10:07 druthb yes, cjh. 10:07 cjh #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ 10:07 mtj #info Vimal from India 10:07 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater 10:08 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Norfolk, England 10:08 kf cjh: sorry for misinformation :) 10:08 BobB # info Bob Birchall, CALYX - sorry I'm late 10:08 cjh kf: heh np :) 10:08 kf I will give it one more minute for people to show up 10:09 kf please use the time to add your names ;) 10:09 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy 10:10 vimal #infovimal 10:10 vimal #info vimal 10:10 kf ok :) 10:10 kf let's move on to voting 10:10 kf #topic Vote on Roles for 3.12 10:11 kf Is there any preference in the sequence of voting? 10:11 rangi easiest just to work from top to bottom down the page 10:11 kf yeah, jcamins_away around? 10:11 paul_p__ and my wifi goes grazy too... 10:11 rangi doesn't need to be here, unless he wants to suddenly withdraw :) 10:12 kf right, better he is not here then :) 10:12 kf ok, please indicate your vote with +1 0 or -1 10:12 druthb :P 10:12 kf that ok for everyone? 10:12 clrh #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre, France 10:12 vimal Ok 10:12 druthb doo eet 10:12 kf #topic Release Manager 3.12 10:13 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil, France 10:13 kf #info Release manager candidates: Jared Camins-Esakov 10:13 thd +1 jcamins who would be well to be asleep now 10:13 kf please vote now 10:13 oleonard +1 10:13 magnuse +1 10:13 rangi +1 10:13 drojf +1 10:13 paul_p__ +1 10:13 druthb +1 10:13 kf +1 10:13 cjh +1 10:13 mveron +1 10:13 ColinC +1 10:13 tcohen +1 10:13 clrh +1 10:13 mtompset +1 10:13 vimal +1 10:13 BobB +1 10:13 tajoli jcamins +1 10:13 davidnind +1 10:13 bgkriegel +1 10:13 fredericd +1 10:13 slef +1 10:13 paul_p__ (jcamins beat the % score of the next US president ;-) ) 10:14 kf heh 10:14 kf ok, all votes done? 10:14 tcohen hehe 10:14 cjh paul_p__: heh 10:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @Donum_no: "#kohails meeting on IRC, with people from Germany, USA, New Zealand, Italy, Switzerland, India, Norway, Argentina, UK, Phillipines, France" 10:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @libriotech: "#kohails meeting on IRC, with people from Germany, USA, New Zealand, Italy, Switzerland, India, Norway, Argentina, UK, Phillipines, France" 10:14 kf #agreed Jared Camins-Esakov / jcamis got elected to be RM for 3.12 10:14 drojf i would have voted for jcamins_away as president of the usa too 10:14 kf #topic Translation Manager for 3.12 10:14 paul_p__ drojf well, maybe he would be in trouble to dedicate time for Koha, so better just RM ;-) 10:14 mtompset Yes, jcamins_away for president. ;) 10:15 tcohen +1 10:15 rangi focus :) 10:15 kf #info candidate for translation manager is D Ruth Bavousett / druthb 10:15 drojf paul_p_: he could make a lot of people work on koha :P 10:15 kf please vote now 10:15 drojf sorry 10:15 magnuse +1 10:15 tcohen +1 10:15 talljoy +1 10:15 drojf +1 10:15 rangi +1 10:15 BobB +1 10:15 ColinC +1 10:15 fredericd +1 10:15 cjh +1 10:15 tajoli +1 10:15 mveron +1 10:15 druthb 0 #if the community will have me, I will serve. 10:15 davidnind +1 10:15 kf +1 10:15 thd +1 10:15 paul_p__ +1 (too bad there's not a non-english native for this role) 10:15 mtj +1 10:15 mtompset +1 10:15 oleonard +1 10:15 mtompset Sorry, had to read the proposal. :) 10:16 kf #agreed D Ruth Bavousett was elected to be Translation Manager for 3.12 10:16 BobB congratulations Ruth, now you can chase up that Marathi translation :) 10:16 kf moving on 10:16 kf and congratulations druthb :) 10:16 druthb :D 10:16 vimal :) 10:16 kf #topic Documentation Manager for 3.12 10:16 kf #info candidate is Nicole Engard 10:17 kf please vote now :) 10:17 talljoy +1 10:17 ColinC +1 10:17 vimal +1 10:17 oleonard +1 10:17 kf +1 10:17 mveron +1 10:17 drojf +1 10:17 davidnind + 10:17 cjh +1 10:17 BobB +1 10:17 clrh +1 10:17 mtompset +1 10:17 rangi +1 10:17 mtj +1 10:17 mtompset davidnind: you missed the 1. ;) 10:17 * oleonard activates his automatic +1 machine 10:17 slef +1 10:17 davidnind +1 10:17 magnuse +1 10:17 druthb +1 10:17 thd +1 10:17 tcohen +1 10:17 tajoli +1 10:17 kf of course, if someoen has urgent questions or doubt he/she can speak up anytime ;) 10:18 fredericd +1 10:18 paul_p__ +1 10:18 mtompset Given that nengard has done it for ages, there's no question as to her competence. :) 10:18 kf #agreed Nicole Engard / nengard was elected Documentation Manager for 3.12 10:18 kf ok, next :) 10:18 BobB the original and the best :) 10:18 kf #topic Installation Documentation Manager 10:19 kf #info candidate is Mason James / mtj 10:19 slef I'm slightly concerned that the new docbook editor might produce docbook code which can't be edited in other tools, but that's on-list and minor. 10:19 mtompset -- could mtj elaborate a bit on vision? 10:19 kf please vote now :) 10:19 magnuse +1 10:19 oleonard +1 10:19 tajoli +1 10:19 BobB +1 10:19 paul_p__ +1 10:19 fredericd +1 10:19 mveron +1 10:19 druthb +1 10:19 kf ah, is he here? 10:19 vimal +1 10:19 ColinC +1 10:19 rangi +1 10:19 slef kf: yes, and voting 10:19 kf +1 10:19 talljoy +1 10:19 davidnind +1 10:19 thd +1 10:19 drojf +1 10:19 tcohen +1 10:19 kf hard to miss someone today in all those +1 10:19 mtj yes, im here... 10:20 kf um hard to spot. 10:20 slef mtompset: would have been good to ask on wiki or on list earlier. :-/ 10:20 cjh +1 10:20 mtompset True enough. 10:20 mtompset +1 10:20 kf mtj: can you summarize in 2-3 quick sentences or better do that later or on list? 10:20 koyauni hi, koha, does Koha Community as an official facebook [age 10:20 kf hi koyauni - we are in an important meeting right now 10:20 kf could you ask a little later? 10:20 rangi koyauni: we are in a meeting can you ask again later when the meeting finishes 10:20 koyauni ok, sorry! 10:21 kf #agreed Mason James / mtj was elected for Installation Documentation Manager for 3.12 10:21 BobB Go Mason! 10:21 mtj basically, ill be following what nicole is doing, but just for the install docs... 10:21 druthb koyauni: https://www.facebook.com/kohails 10:22 kf mtj, mtompset: I woudl like to move that after the elections 10:22 kf and move on now to database documentation manager 10:22 mtompset Okay. 10:22 kf #topic Database Documentation Manager 10:22 kf #info candidate is Nicole Engard / nengard 10:22 talljoy +1 10:22 kf please vote now 10:22 kf +1 10:22 mveron +1 10:22 thd +1 10:22 paul_p__ +1 10:22 drojf +1 10:22 tajoli +1 10:22 BobB +1 10:22 rangi +1 10:22 ColinC +1 10:22 davidnind +1 10:22 cjh +1 10:23 magnuse +1 10:23 mtompset +1 10:23 druthb +1 10:23 vimal +1 10:23 mtj +1 10:23 tcohen +1 10:23 oleonard +1 10:24 kf #agreed Nicole Engard will be Database Documentation Manager for 3.12 10:24 kf ok 10:24 kf #topic Quality Assurance (QA) Manager for 3.12 10:24 rangi #info candidate is Katrin Fischer / kf 10:24 mtompset +1 10:24 talljoy +1 10:24 vimal +1 10:24 drojf +1 10:24 magnuse +1 10:24 mveron +1 10:24 thd +1 10:24 tcohen +1 10:24 ColinC +1 10:24 rangi +1 10:24 BobB +1 10:24 cjh +1 10:24 davidnind +1 10:24 druthb +1 10:24 tajoli +1 10:25 mtj +1 10:25 kf 0 10:25 * druthb wants to vote +1 twice, just in case. 10:25 oleonard +1 10:25 * mtompset agrees with druthb. :) 10:25 paul_p__ +1 10:25 rangi #agreed Katrin Fischer elected to QAM for 3.12 10:26 kf thank you all 10:26 BobB that's a real win for the project! 10:26 * mtompset nods. 10:26 * magnuse too 10:26 mveron Great 10:26 druthb yup yup yup. 10:26 kf um, ok, because I don't know what to say 10:26 druthb now for her squad of helpful minions? 10:27 kf I better move on maybe? 10:27 rangi yup 10:27 kf #topic Quality Assurance (QA) Team 10:27 kf we have more than 1 candidate here 10:27 mveron Can we vore "in globo"? 10:27 mveron vote 10:27 BobB ... but no fixed number of team members 10:27 kf nope 10:27 * paul_p__ keep finger crossed, and hope Katrin wont sufferer the "QAM curse" = Ingrid (2002), left after 2 months, Pierrick (2005) left after 4, Ian (2011), left after a few months ... 10:28 kf the question is, vote 1 by 1 or just for the whole team? 10:28 clrh kf whole 10:28 vimal Vote for whole tea 10:28 vimal team 10:28 druthb in_globo++ 10:28 mveron in globo 10:28 kf paul_p__: I sure don't have plans to leave :) 10:28 vimal Panel voting is good 10:28 kf ok, any voices against team voting? 10:28 thd global++ 10:28 tcohen i'd like the names to appear in the transcripts 10:28 kf please vote global-- or global++ 10:29 kf tcohen: I will take care of that with an #info 10:29 druthb global++ 10:29 rangi global++ 10:29 cjh global++ 10:29 mveron + 10:29 clrh global++ 10:29 mtj global++ 10:29 mtompset global++ 10:29 davidnind global++ 10:29 ColinC global++ 10:29 talljoy global++ 10:29 tajoli global++ 10:29 magnuse global++ 10:29 kf global++ 10:29 tcohen global++ 10:29 BobB global ++ 10:29 drojf i would have liked the names to appear before the vote… 10:29 drojf but well 10:29 drojf global++ 10:29 vimal global++ 10:29 kf well that was not the vote yet :) 10:29 rangi we have only voted on how we are going to vote ;) 10:29 drojf ah yes i got confused 10:29 slef arrrrrrrrgh meta discussions 10:29 slef ;) 10:29 clrh rangi: really ? 10:30 drojf because i got cookies from the kitchen :O 10:30 kf #info candidates are: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart / Joubu, Mason James / mtj, Paul Poulain / paul_p and Elliott Davis / libsysguy 10:30 * druthb suggests that the TM should be paid in cookies. 10:30 tcohen +1 10:30 clrh +1 10:30 thd +1 10:30 mveron +1 10:30 rangi +1 10:30 cjh +1 10:30 kf #agreed we agreed to vote for them as a team 10:30 druthb +1 10:30 paul_p__ kf should we vote to decide if global++ was THE vote or a vote to decide how to vote ? :D :D :D 10:30 mtj +1 10:30 magnuse +1 10:30 talljoy +1 10:30 kf please vote now if you don't have already 10:30 mtompset +1 10:30 drojf +1 10:31 davidnind +1 10:31 vimal +1 10:31 kf paul_p__: chair says no ;) 10:31 ColinC +1 10:31 BobB +1 10:31 slef vote for what now? 10:31 kf +1 10:31 kf slef: the team to be elected 10:31 mtompset slef: a +1 means yes to everyone. 10:31 slef +1 10:31 tcohen chair says you have to type '+1' 10:31 drojf i thought it was about the TM getting paid in cookies 10:32 oleonard +1 10:32 drojf :P 10:32 kf focus :) 10:32 paul_p__ kf "beloved QAM, that is great and powerfull, I obey and agree your opinion is so great, wise and efficient" (was it enough ? ;-) ) 10:32 druthb aye aye, ma'am. 10:32 mtompset By the way, I like the proposal for QAA that Elliott Davis wrote. :) 10:32 kf yes, it's a good one 10:32 kf now we move on, yes? :) 10:32 thd yes 10:32 rangi yes 10:32 mtompset yes. 10:32 magnuse yes 10:32 kf #topic Release Maintainers for 3.10 and 3.8 10:33 mtompset global++ 10:33 druthb paul_p__: remember that line; you'll need it a bunch this next few months. :) 10:33 kf ok, we only got rangi here 10:33 mtompset :) 10:33 magnuse "only"? :-) 10:33 tcohen 3.6 is EOL, right? 10:33 cjh heh 10:33 kf nah, not only, but rangi for both versions 10:33 mtompset Once 3.10 comes out, I would assume so. 10:34 kf rangi: you still willing to do both? 10:34 druthb yes. 10:34 slef tcohen: Orphan, not EOL IMO. We can't stop people using it. 10:34 rangi yep, someone can pick up 3.6 if they want 10:34 kf ok, I say (chair) we vote for both versions together 10:34 slef I finally realised that was bugging me about the EOL discussion. 10:34 rangi im not rmmainting 3 stable versions tho 10:34 kf #info candidate for both versions is Chris Cormack / rangi 10:34 druthb +1 10:34 tcohen +1 10:34 oleonard +1 10:34 talljoy +1 10:35 mveron +1 10:35 cjh +1 10:35 drojf +1 10:35 davidnind +1 10:35 slef +1 10:35 ColinC +1 10:35 thd +1 10:35 kf slef: keep the thought for later? 10:35 mtompset wise decision, rangi. 10:35 magnuse +1 10:35 mtompset +1 10:35 BobB +1 10:35 kf +1 10:35 paul_p__ +2 ( +1 for each version) 10:35 rangi -1 #that guys a dick 10:35 mtj +1 10:35 tajoli +1 10:35 * mtompset laughs 10:35 drojf lol rangi 10:35 cjh hahhaha 10:35 druthb rofl 10:35 mtompset +2 to counter rangi's vote. :) 10:35 * tcohen laughs 10:35 slef ahhh the things you can do if you don't have my bad habit of losing votes ;) 10:35 clrh +1 10:35 * kf pondes kicking the guy for using bad words in a meeting 10:35 thd slef++ orphans are much nicer than the dead 10:35 vimal +1 10:35 druthb doo eeet, kf 10:35 slef kf: oh I thought his middle name was Richard. 10:35 cjh whois druthb 10:35 wahanui druthb is wanting to be the TM for 3.12. Now we know she's crazy. 10:36 talljoy heh 10:36 druthb mhm. 10:36 mtompset Need to drop the "wanting". :) 10:36 kf #agreed Chris Cormack was elected to be RMaint for 3.8 and 3.10 10:36 kf #agreed (belated) the QA team got elected too 10:36 cjh heh 10:36 BobB Huge thank you to Chris! 10:36 kf why did noone remind me? 10:36 kf and rangi++ for doing this 10:37 mtompset Because you're the QAM. :P 10:37 kf I am chair now :) 10:37 kf ok, moving on 10:37 kf #topic Packaging Manager 10:37 druthb wahanui: druthb? 10:37 wahanui well, druthb is TM for 3.12. Now we know she's crazy. 10:37 kf #info candidate is Robin Sheat / eythian 10:37 kf please vote 10:37 paul_p__ +1 ! 10:37 tcohen +1 10:37 druthb +1 10:38 ColinC +1 10:38 kf +1 10:38 cjh +1 10:38 slef +1 10:38 mveron +1 10:38 mtompset or is it eythian_? ;) 10:38 BobB +1 10:38 drojf +1 10:38 magnuse +1 10:38 thd +1 10:38 mtompset +1 10:38 slef and many thanks 10:38 talljoy +1 10:38 tajoli +1 10:38 vimal +1 10:38 davidnind +1 10:38 mtj +1 10:38 oleonard +1 10:38 eythian_ oh hey, I'm logged in here! 10:38 rangi +1 10:38 kf #agreed Robin Sheat / eythian got elected to be Packaging Manager 10:38 kf next 10:39 kf #topic Live CD/DVD Manager 10:39 kf #info candidate is Vimal Kumar Vazhappally 10:39 vimal Hi all 10:39 thd +1 10:39 mtompset (Hopefully I got the name right) 10:39 tcohen +1 10:39 kf hi vimal :) 10:39 druthb +1 #with oodles of thanks. 10:39 talljoy +1 10:39 oleonard +1 10:39 mveron +1 10:39 vimal +1 10:39 ColinC +1 10:39 davidnind +1 10:39 magnuse +1 10:39 drojf +1 10:39 BobB +1 10:39 mtompset +1 # seems to be a demand for it. 10:39 kf +1 #didn't tell you to vote yet! :) 10:39 cjh +1 10:40 oleonard kf is becoming drunk with power 10:40 kf #agreed Vimal Kumar Vazhappally / vimal will be Live CD/DVD Manager 10:40 kf oleonard: only a little :) 10:40 vimal Thank u all 10:40 BobB Congratulations Vimal 10:40 tcohen congrats 10:40 vimal Thank u 10:41 kf #topic Bug Wranglers 10:41 mtompset Looking forward to seeing a nice simple install for the end-user. :) 10:41 vimal SUre 10:41 vimal I will try my best 10:41 tcohen global++ 10:41 kf ok, again this is a group of people, please indicate if group voting is wanted with global++ or global-- 10:41 druthb global++ 10:41 drojf global++ 10:41 kf global++ (less typing) 10:41 talljoy global++ 10:41 paul_p__ global++ 10:41 mtompset drojf-- :P 10:41 thd global++ 10:41 BobB global ++ 10:41 mtompset global++ 10:41 ColinC global++ 10:41 vimal global++ 10:41 davidnind global++ 10:41 magnuse global++ 10:41 rangi global++ 10:42 drojf mtompset: what did i do? 10:42 mtompset downed my karma. ;) 10:42 kf don't play with the karma plz 10:42 kf ;) 10:42 mtompset I'm still voting for you. Don't worry. 10:42 kf #agreed the bug wranglers will be voted as a team too 10:43 kf #info candidates are Marc Véron / mveron, Chris Hall / cjh, Magnus Enger / magnuse, Mirko Tietgen / drojf 10:43 kf please vote now :) 10:43 druthb +1 10:43 tcohen +1 10:43 thd +1 10:43 kf +1 10:43 magnuse +1 # for the others 10:43 davidnind +1 10:43 drojf +0.75 # for the other three 10:43 mtompset +! 10:43 talljoy +1 10:43 vimal +1 10:43 oleonard +1 10:43 mveron +0.75 (do not vote for myself...) 10:43 BobB +1 10:43 tajoli +1 10:43 ColinC +1 10:43 slef +1 10:43 rangi +1 10:44 mtj +1 10:44 magnuse #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/What_does_a_Bug_Wrangler_do 10:44 kf thx magnuse 10:44 paul_p__ +1 10:45 kf #agreed all candidates got elected for the role of bug wrangler 10:45 vimal Congrats Bug Wranglers 10:45 kf this was the last vote 10:45 mveron Thanks! 10:45 vimal Sweep maximum bugs 10:45 kf congrats everyone :) 10:46 * mveron sees 1328 with Status "New" between 2007-10-04 (Bug 900) and today (Bug 8894) 10:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=900 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unimarc Authorities 10:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8894 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Software error calling Help on Local use in System preferences 10:46 kf I think we could do the meeting chair on volunteer basis for each meeting? 10:46 rangi yep 10:46 drojf or we could vote for kf 10:46 drojf :P 10:46 kf I sleep sometimes :) 10:46 * druthb suggests that kf rocks that job. 10:46 drojf kf: then stop that 10:46 mtompset drojf++ # excellent idea 10:46 kf but I am willing to do it in my comfy timezones :) 10:46 mveron kf ++ 10:46 tcohen kf++ 10:47 * oleonard would like to give kf the option to sleep through some meetings 10:47 slef kf: so you need deputies, especially for the 3am ones? 10:47 mtj comfy timezones only, please 10:47 kf yes, especially that one 10:47 drojf i'd vote for meetings only at kf-compatible times, but i may biased 10:47 BobB Is Brooke unwilling? 10:47 slef anyone willing to cover 02:00:00 +0000 ? 10:47 kf she didn't sign up this time, I am not sure 10:48 kf I woudl say leave the position open 10:48 kf and see who is around to be doing it 10:48 slef In winter, I'd do it when my schedule permits. 10:48 kf doesn't have to be formalized really? 10:48 rangi i dont think it does 10:48 slef kf: it would be good to have a group willing to do it. We've had "oh it's a meeting - who wants to chair?" before. 10:48 kf and I meant comfy meeting times.. of course :) 10:48 mtompset Since there technically are no names, we can only note that kf has offered to do it for one that are timezone friendly for her. 10:49 slef but no rush - we currently don't have a pool 10:49 slef group 10:49 slef not poo 10:49 slef not pool! 10:49 * slef goes to buy a new keyboard 10:49 talljoy ha 10:49 mtompset slef++ # nice typos. :) 10:49 kf ok 10:49 kf I see too more topics on the meeting schedule 10:49 slef hey, that's how I got this nick :-/ 10:50 kf we are running 45 mins now 10:50 slef let's get a move on! 10:50 slef :) 10:50 kf I think we can try to do them fast but I am not sure what Translation file is about and hwo added it 10:50 kf and I have a nice smelling pizza on my desk - we have to make this fast ;) 10:50 * druthb is curious about that, too. 10:50 rangi and the next one after that we need jcamins for 10:50 kf so if noone knows, I would suggest skipping it 10:50 kf yes 10:51 tcohen We should start talking about Translation file 10:51 tcohen s 10:51 druthb fredericd and I need to plot to get together soon, but we'll do that outside a meeting. 10:51 mtompset if noone knows, yes skip. 10:51 cjh I was wondering waht that was about, I guess no one knows.. 10:51 cjh what.. 10:51 slef Brooke added it 10:51 kf so I suggest we close the meeting and jcamins_away/paul_p can dicsuss schedules later? 10:51 tcohen bgkriegel 10:51 tcohen ? 10:51 rangi picking a time for next meeting 10:51 bgkriegel perhaps somthing about the tranlation of the manual 10:51 kf druthb: maybe have a translator's meeting sometime? 10:51 magnuse looks like Broole added the point about Translation Files 10:51 paul_p__ I've added the branching topic, after discussing of it with jcamins_away and I agree it would be better with jcamins_away 10:51 druthb good idea. 10:51 kf ok 10:51 paul_p__ I'll send a mail to koha-devel about that 10:51 kf so I am closing 10:51 slef Brooke added it 20 September - please could people look at the agenda before the meeting and ask about unclear stuff :) 10:52 kf can someone help please to find the time for the next meeting? 10:52 mtompset Isn't it +8 hours from this meeting? 10:52 vimal Dear Friends, I m leaving. My office is going to close. Bye all. I will try my best to develop a easy and ready to use Live Koha CD 10:52 drojf it's the early one 10:52 drojf i think 10:52 rangi its 02:00 UTC 10:52 * druthb goes back to bed for a little longer. 10:52 rangi pick a date 10:52 drojf -8 hours 10:52 mtompset Bye, vimal. 10:52 magnuse vimal++ 10:52 vimal Thanl u all 10:52 kf ok 10:52 cjh vimal: seeya 10:53 kf 14th november? 10:53 rangi id prefer sooner 10:53 mtj bye vimal 10:53 rangi november 7th 10:53 kf a week enough? 10:53 kf ok 10:53 rangi thats 2 weeks out from release 10:53 kf november 7th, 02:00 UTC - please indicate if that's ok the usual way 10:53 tcohen we needed to talk about the translation of the manual 10:53 drojf vimal: drop by the irc sometimes 10:53 magnuse +1 10:53 kf #topic next meeting time 10:53 slef +1 but only because it's 2am :) 10:53 thd +1 10:54 rangi +1 10:54 kf I won't be there probably 10:54 kf 0 10:54 mtompset tcohen: So translation of the manuals is what that Translation Files was about? 10:54 drojf +1 # most likely not coming 10:54 talljoy +1 10:54 magnuse kf will be in oslo 10:54 mtj +1 10:54 tajoli 0 10:54 cjh +1 10:54 tcohen yes 10:54 kf oh right 10:54 kf I will 10:54 kf :) 10:54 BobB +1 10:54 cjh 3pm here, good time :) 10:54 mtompset I'll be flying back to Canada then. I can't make it. 10:54 oleonard +1 10:55 kf #agreed november 7th, 02:00 UTC as time for the next meeting 10:55 mtompset But it is a good date and time regardless... 10:55 tcohen listen, druthb, can we appoint a translation meeting at least so we sort this manual translation issue? 10:55 oleonard Let's try to add apologies to the wiki entry so that the agenda can be revised and shortened if necessary 10:55 kf oleonard: good suggestion 10:55 talljoy tcohen: druthb left. 10:55 cjh tcohen: drut has gone to sleep 10:55 kf #info Let's try to add apologies to the wiki entry so that the agenda can be revised and shortened if necessary 10:55 kf ok, I am ending the meeting 10:55 cjh s/drut/druthb/ 10:55 kf #endmeeting 10:55 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 10 10:52:41 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 10:55 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-10-10-10.01.html 10:55 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-10-10-10.01.txt 10:55 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-10-10-10.01.log.html 10:55 kf phew 10:55 kf :) 10:55 slef oleonard: what's that about? 10:56 kf ok, pizza time :) 10:56 drojf that was faster than i expected 10:56 slef * kf is away, chowing down 10:56 cjh and bed time, night all :) 10:56 cjh kf: enjoy! 10:56 mtompset Great! Now I can go for supper. 10:56 kf_lunch :) 10:56 cjh lunch, heh. 10:56 BobB Thanks kf, that was awesome. 10:56 * talljoy hunts for fresh coffee....5am....blarg 10:56 oleonard slef, if no one is going to show up the agenda might need to be revised to exclude more important business like votes 10:56 tcohen @later tell druthb we need to appoint a Translation meeting, as the translation of manual was not addressed in th egeneral meeting 10:56 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 10:56 magnuse ooh, pizza... 10:56 wahanui pizza is, like, in the oven 10:56 thd good night cjh 10:56 slef wahanui: are you calling kf's office an oven? 10:56 wahanui slef: i haven't a clue 10:56 drojf lol 10:57 slef wahanui: shut up 10:57 wahanui slef: excuse me? 10:57 drojf i heard it's more like a freezer ately 10:57 drojf lately 10:57 slef drojf: I thought swimming pool... or maybe that is only outside. 10:58 drojf oh now he waited all that time and left the minute the meeting was over? 10:58 * thd disconnects before the broken ethernet port disconnects him 10:58 drojf i mean koyauni 10:58 oleonard See you all in a couple hours 10:59 magnuse drojf: might be mibbit dosconnectiong because of lack of activity 11:00 slef drojf: there was an answer in-channel from druthb I think - and I msg'd 11:00 drojf ah yes i just remembered that it was the fb question 11:00 drojf only had in mind we told him to wait 11:14 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_7_November_2012 11:14 drojf magnuse++ 11:38 mtompset magnuse++ # very quick and efficient! 11:38 magnuse good chance noone will remember to do it if it isn't done the same day :-) 11:39 mtompset quite true! 11:48 mtompset nengard: You were ratified. :) 11:48 nengard ? 11:49 mtompset Your role. 11:49 nengard oh :) 11:49 nengard well paul_p did tell me it was mine until I died :) 11:49 mtompset Or until someone else who loves to document and does it better than you (is that even possible?!) comes along. 11:50 kf back :) 11:50 mtompset How was the pizza? 11:50 mtompset What kind was it? 11:51 mtompset Perhaps releases should be named after pizza types. That would be much harder than cookies, jcamins_away. ;) 11:53 kf it was hawaii 11:53 kf ham and pineapple 11:53 kf and it was slightly cold ;) 11:53 drojf -1 for pizzanames 11:54 kf yeah, to limited 11:54 kf cookies! 11:54 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 11:54 drojf cookies! 11:54 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 11:56 drojf what is a good way to trigger sending something to message_queue? fake an overdue or something? 11:57 kf checkout 11:57 kf is what I do 11:57 kf or hold notices 11:57 kf easier than overdues 11:58 drojf ah makes sense. do i have to enable something to send messages? i did not really find a syspref for that (only enhanced messages). i have koha-email-disable set, not sure if that makes a difference for filling the table 11:59 kf oh rangi forgot my agreed! :) 11:59 kf or only the chair can do it 11:59 * kf is looking at the meeting logs to see where she messed up 12:00 kf drojf: hm I think it shouldn't 12:00 kf but you have t add an email address to the patron account and activate hte messages 12:00 kf for the patron 12:01 drojf adding an email for my patron was an idea i just had :D activate messages per patron?? 12:01 kf yep 12:01 kf enhanced messages on 12:01 kf and then you can set a standard for the patron category 12:01 kf but the standard will not beapplied to existing patrons 12:02 kf so you have to check the checkboxes for the messages there too 12:03 drojf err i thought without the enhanced messages it would use what i set up at item circulation alerts? 12:07 kf hm 12:07 kf I am not sure what circulation alerts does really 12:07 kf probably make sure you didn'td eactivate everything there 12:08 kf and enhanced messages on means you can send checkout slips, hold messages etc. - it's needed for those 12:09 drojf ok then the description of that syspref does not make any sense 12:09 drojf allow patrons to choose which notices they receive and when they receive them. Note that this only applies to certain kinds of notices. 12:09 drojf maybe it does that too, but it does a lot more 12:09 kf hm yeah 12:09 kf it's also the trigger in general 12:10 drojf that is of some significance too maybe ;) 12:11 kf I never read the descriptions :P 12:11 kf paul_p: is it wifi oder the client? 12:12 drojf ok tried to send a message. and errored because i broke it :) 12:15 mtompset As long as you know how to fix it, no problems. :) 12:17 paul_p kf = the wifi (& maybe some tests I made with thunderbird IRC. I'm back to xchat, there is a major lack in thunderbird = no notification in case of someone yelling you on a channel !!!) 12:17 drojf paul_p: YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO MISS THE YELLING!!! 12:18 paul_p dracoling hehe ;-) 12:18 paul_p drojf hehe ;-) 12:22 kf paul_p paul_p paul_p ? 12:22 kf ;) 12:22 kf cait? 12:22 paul_p kf kf kf kf ? 12:22 kf was only testing your client :) 12:22 mtompset beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice? ;) 12:22 kf yep 12:22 paul_p kf xchat is perfect, it's thunderbird that need to be improved a little ! 12:28 drojf ah. would maybe help to have gnupg keys present on the dev machine if i want to use them for email encryption … my brain is very special today 12:29 * oleonard arrives to find that jcamins, having succeeded in his bloodless coup, has laid waste to all before him and built a dark tower to his own tyranny. 12:29 jcamins_away lol 12:29 drojf jcamins? 12:29 wahanui rumour has it jcamins is running for release manager for 3.12 and a his work on authorities is amazing 12:29 drojf what happened to blind-sided by ignorance? :P 12:30 jcamins drojf: kf was offended. 12:35 * magnuse can now easily make the digital signs hideous with http://jquerymobile.com/themeroller/ 12:36 jcamins Woohoo! 12:36 jcamins magnuse++ 12:37 magnuse yay 13:20 * oleonard wonders if we will bulk-update "rel_3_12" bugs to "master" when 3.10 is released 13:24 magnuse oleonard: i suspect jcamins_away has a plan for that 13:25 oleonard But we must not cast our gaze directly upon the eye of jcamins_away lest the eye turn its gaze back upon us 13:28 * magnuse runs in terror 13:37 * wajasu migrating my 3.0 koha to master, to see whats what 13:39 khall general questions, should an item that was transferred incorrectly be allowed to fill a hold? At the moment, that appears to be what Koha is doing. On top of that, clicking ignore does not prompt to transfer the item back ( as it would if the item couldn't fill any holds ) 14:06 oleonard khall: What do you mean by transferred incorrectly? 14:07 khall if I just check in LibraryA's item at LibraryB without having done a transfer. 14:07 khall I think this is intended behavior at this point 14:10 oleonard Well, usually a transfer is initiated via the hold process... 14:10 oleonard But otherwise we don't manually transfer stuff, for instance. 14:11 khall this is just one of those odd edge cases. 14:11 wizzyrea khall - so basically the item was physically transferred without koha actually transferring it 14:12 wizzyrea so, human error? 14:12 khall wizzyrea: that is correct. 14:12 wizzyrea I think, that yes, an item in that situation, at least here 14:12 wizzyrea should fill a hold for a person it was intended for - it should (it does in 3.6 anyway) prompt to transit it on if it's not for a patron in library b 14:13 wizzyrea so say if you have a patron from library C, book is incorrectly transited to library b 14:13 wizzyrea when library b checks it in 14:13 wizzyrea it should prompt them to transit the book to C for the hold 14:13 wizzyrea now you definitely get what you describe 14:13 khall this isn't even a case of incorrect transfer, this is a case of no transfer. 14:13 wizzyrea when the processing at the home branch is absent - say they sent it but *told koha nothing about their action* 14:13 khall no koha transfer that is, but only physical transfer 14:14 wizzyrea how could you possibly expect koha to know what to do with an item if it hasn't been assigned to a patron 14:14 wizzyrea which is what proper transit at the home branch does 14:15 wizzyrea so if a physical transit happens, and koha doesn't know about it, yea, it'll still assign the book to someone else 14:15 wizzyrea because it sees that checkin as the "assigning" checkin 14:15 wizzyrea am I making sense? 14:15 wizzyrea I think this is the steve jobs problem - they're holding it wrong. 14:15 wizzyrea ;) 14:16 khall If I have no holds placed for the item, Koha will tell me to send it back to the home library. In the same situation, adding a hold causes Koha to ask the librarian if he or she wants to fill the hold with the item. 14:16 wizzyrea right, I think that's correct 14:16 khall If I then click ignore, it just gets checked in at this incorrect library 14:16 wizzyrea yep, that particular thing has been a problem for a long time 14:17 wizzyrea there's a bug for it 14:17 wizzyrea I think 14:17 khall that is what I'm working on right now, if there is a bug number for it, that would be very helpful. 14:17 wizzyrea dual checkins caus items to get stuck at the receiving branch 14:17 wizzyrea let me find it :) 14:17 khall thanks! 14:18 wizzyrea well you are likely looking at bug 8292, but that's not the one I'm thinking of 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer 14:18 wajasu link_FYI: running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl has a --test mode, but when i run it, if you have "AutoCreateauthorites" on, AddAuthority is called. (in master) 14:20 khall excellent! 14:20 wizzyrea bug 6226 14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6226 major, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Returning a misrouted item twice causes transit to correct receiving library to disappear 14:20 wizzyrea also probably related 14:21 wizzyrea bug 5826 also related 14:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5826 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Returning a lost item at a library other than it's home does not trigger transit home 14:21 khall wizzyrea, I'd swear bug 6226 sounds like something I've already submitted a patch for 14:21 khall and there it is 14:21 khall nope thats not it 14:22 wizzyrea no that's lost - sorry 14:22 wizzyrea i'm still poking about :) 14:24 wizzyrea bug 7635 may be related, may be what you're looking at 14:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7635 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , ignoring hold still marks it in transit 14:25 * wizzyrea wonders if it somehow got closed 14:26 * oleonard wonders how long it should take to import a 4 gig sql dump into mysql 14:26 wizzyrea hm, a long time depending on your hardware. :/ 14:31 samuel hi everybody 14:32 phasefx hey guys, on Koha 3.08.05.000, with the Inventory Tool, if I check the items.damaged Damaged checkbox (or any item status for that matter) and nothing else and then hit Submit, I get all items back and not just the ones that are damaged. The SQL generated doesn't do any limiting either, but maybe the code intends to post-filter the results. Am I doing something wrong, or did I find a bug? 14:32 khall patch for bug 8292 submitted. Should be an easy SO for anyone who wants to test it. 14:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer 14:33 samuel hey, i've enabled cas authentification on koha and i've this error "HTTP Status 404 - /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl" 14:34 wizzyrea :/ no clue samuel 14:34 oleonard long time = 1 hour 20 minutes 14:35 wizzyrea what kind of hardware? 14:35 jcamins I have a plan? 14:35 jcamins Oh, yes. 14:35 oleonard wizzyrea: ThinkPad with 3.7GiB RAM and AMD dual-core somethingorother 14:36 oleonard doohickey 14:36 oleonard thingamabob 14:36 wizzyrea laptop? 14:36 oleonard yes 14:36 wizzyrea slow disk prolly. 14:36 wizzyrea I have a plan? 14:36 jcamins oleonard: those bugs that are not ready for merging will get changed back to master. 14:36 wizzyrea boo. 14:36 jcamins wizzyrea has a plan? 14:37 oleonard wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. 14:37 jcamins wizzyrea? 14:37 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA 14:37 oleonard ...really convoluted mystical plans... 14:39 magnuse gah, n00b mistake: did some edits on master - is there a way to bring them over to a new branch? 14:39 jcamins magnuse: cherry-pick, or rename the branch. 14:39 jcamins (and this is why I don't have a branch called master) 14:39 wizzyrea lol. 14:39 wizzyrea I want to be a cylon. 14:39 wizzyrea oleonard: that really really made me laugh. 14:41 magnuse rename it is - thanks jcamins 14:41 wizzyrea wizzyrea? 14:41 wahanui i think wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. 14:41 * wizzyrea nods 14:41 * wizzyrea laughs hysterically 14:43 wizzyrea oh oh can I be a number 3? 14:43 * mtompset chuckles, "Do you really want to be a number 3? It's not much better than 1 or 2." 14:44 wizzyrea i suspect you have not watched much Battlestar Galactica :) 14:44 mtompset And why do they only model Cylons as integers? 14:45 mtompset Well, you are probably talking about the reboot version in recent years. 14:45 wizzyrea yes, I am :) 14:45 wizzyrea I tried to watch the old one 14:45 wizzyrea i really did. 14:45 * kf waves 14:45 wizzyrea hey kf 14:45 kf hi wizzyrea :) 14:45 kf when is the flight? :) 14:46 oleonard wizzyrea: Cylon /and/ Xena? That's a win. 14:46 * kf hides 14:46 * kf peeks out 14:47 kf should we have a post about the release team voting on kc? 14:47 wizzyrea she's the visionary :) 14:47 wizzyrea 27th :) 14:47 oleonard wizzyrea: You should have tried watching the original Battlestar Galactica when you were 7. It holds up much better. 14:47 * wizzyrea goes to find her TARDIS 14:48 kf soon! :) 14:51 mtompset Oooo... TARDIS. Which companion are you? 14:51 kf why companion? 14:51 wizzyrea that is an EXCELLENT question. 14:51 oleonard Why companion? :P 14:51 kf heh 14:52 wizzyrea lol. 14:52 * wizzyrea is not The Doctor. 14:52 kf maybe he gave you your own tardis? 14:52 wizzyrea hehe 14:53 wizzyrea I stole it from him. Seems logical. 14:53 wizzyrea j/k 14:53 * wizzyrea doesn't *really* live in a fantasy world. 14:54 mtompset no one can truly be the doctor... The human hybrids can't contain being a timelord, or something. 14:54 magnuse bug 2832 is an easy signoff - just sayin' :-) 14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2832 normal, P3, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Make alphabet localizable 14:54 wizzyrea well, they never really explain river song 14:54 wizzyrea a human… time lord? 14:55 mtompset Donna. 14:55 wizzyrea the child of the TARDIS or something. 14:55 mtompset No... Donna. 14:55 wizzyrea well yea, donna 14:55 wizzyrea and Rose too 14:55 mtompset Rose?! 14:56 wizzyrea yea, end of season one, she looks into the vortex and dissolves the daleks? 14:56 wizzyrea after scattering Bad Wolf across the univers 14:56 wizzyrea with an e 14:56 oleonard Yeah but then the Doctor aborbs the energy from her to keep her from dying 14:56 mtompset Oh... that wasn't timelord. 14:56 mtompset That was TARDIS. 14:56 jcamins magnuse: why didn't you generate the browse list from the database, and have the user choose a locale for collation? 14:56 wizzyrea lol NERD FIGHT 14:57 wizzyrea ah thanks guys, I needed this this morning :) 14:57 magnuse jcamins: 'cause my way seemed easier :-) 14:57 jcamins magnuse: ah. Fair enough. 14:57 magnuse jcamins: counter patch welcome :-) 14:57 jcamins magnuse: I don't think I have any objection to the way you did it. 14:58 jcamins I was just surprised you'd write so much extra code. :P 14:58 magnuse it's an improvement, but it might lead you to "no patrons found" 14:58 magnuse hehe, yeah some bloat just snuck in there :-) 14:58 jcamins That happens now, too. 14:59 magnuse yeah, in regards to "no patrons found" it's not an improvement 14:59 magnuse it's an improvement when you are looking for names that start with something else than A-Z 14:59 jcamins Right. 14:59 jcamins Hence my lack of objection to the fact that it will still happen. 14:59 magnuse :-) 15:00 magnuse and with that i bid you all a fair time-of-the-day - see yas! 15:00 wizzyrea later magnuse! 15:03 * drojf hits crypt::gpg in the face 15:03 * mtompset laughs. 15:04 mtompset You can't hit a perl module in the face. 15:04 drojf oh yes i can 15:04 mtompset you can only hit it in its package! ;) 15:04 drojf heh 15:05 wizzyrea @quote add <mtompset> You can't hit a perl module in the face. You can only hit it in its package! 15:05 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 15:05 wizzyrea noo 15:05 mtompset Please don't add that. 15:05 wizzyrea that's an awesome one though. 15:05 wizzyrea I don't have to put your name on it 15:05 wizzyrea if you'd rather 15:05 mtompset Okay... don't put my name. 15:05 wizzyrea :D yay thanks 15:05 jcamins mtompset: it's still in the logs. 15:06 jcamins And it's pretty awesome. 15:06 wizzyrea @quote add You can't hit a perl module in the face. You can only hit it in its package! 15:06 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #219 added. 15:06 jcamins Very, awesome, even. 15:06 wizzyrea seriously, one of the better jokes we've had :) 15:06 wizzyrea very funny. 15:06 wizzyrea and will make people laugh when we do 15:06 wizzyrea @quote random 15:06 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010) 15:06 wizzyrea and it comes up 15:08 mtompset jcamins: Yes, but someone would have to hunt through the logs to find it. Quotes are far more accessible to someone who is bored. 15:08 mtompset Oops... I just hit enter... 15:08 mtompset I hope that was postpone a reboot. 15:10 kf @quote random 15:10 huginn kf: Quote #170: "<jcamins> A lot of people seem to have no idea what they're running." (added by chris_n at 07:26 PM, December 07, 2011) 15:10 jcamins True enough. 15:10 mtompset Very true. Sadly. :( 15:10 mtompset @quote random 15:10 huginn mtompset: Quote #194: "oleonard: Everyone will be all, Wow, that guys smells like he really wishes he could have sex!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:55 PM, March 29, 2012) 15:10 * wizzyrea remembers that day 15:11 mtompset Woah! What was the context on that? 15:11 * oleonard doesn't! 15:11 jcamins ... 15:11 * kf goes to hunt the logs 15:11 wizzyrea I like the ones that make you go "omg what were we talking about" 15:12 jcamins lol 15:12 jcamins I was right. 15:12 jcamins It did raise eyebrows. 15:12 wizzyrea :D 15:13 jcamins While oleonard said that, libsysguy was eating a sandwich, apparently. 15:13 libsysguy ? 15:13 libsysguy sandwiches? 15:13 * oleonard is more confused now 15:13 jcamins libsysguy: so it would seem. That's what you told us. 15:13 * jcamins looked in the logs to see the context. 15:13 libsysguy scrolling... 15:13 kf meh can't find it 15:14 jcamins The next thing that jumped out was libsysguy saying "and eating a sandwich, but that didn't cause the error" or words to that effect. 15:15 mtompset "...i guess that is irrelevant to the error" 15:15 mtompset http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-03-29#i_934613 15:15 libsysguy mmm sandwiches 15:16 libsysguy still doesn't see how the sandwich comment relates to oleonards having sex comment 15:16 libsysguy sandwiches =~ sex? 15:16 oleonard Okay yeah now I remember. My comment was perfectly logical in context. 15:16 jcamins It was. 15:17 mtompset bus-fresh. :) 15:17 libsysguy aww I still worked for UTT then 15:17 libsysguy no wonder I was having a sandwich…I was probably stress eating 15:18 oleonard Mmmm... Stress sandwich. 15:18 kf did you have any sandwiches today? 15:18 * kf is just checking the stress status 15:19 wizzyrea that statement totally does make sense in context! 15:19 wizzyrea even better is what oleonard said just after that 15:19 wizzyrea "now when that quote comes up randomly I can try to insist I was talking about Zebra" 15:20 drojf lol 15:20 libsysguy no sandwiches today kf 15:20 libsysguy just eggs and turkey dogs 15:20 jcamins drojf: did you see my Plack+Starman+nginx configuration? 15:20 wizzyrea lol this whole thing is off the hook. 15:20 wizzyrea http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-03-29#i_934570 15:20 drojf turkey dogs? i hope that is not what magnuse breeds 15:21 drojf jcamins: yes, very cool. have not tried it, but i will 15:21 kf shiny happy zebras holding hands? :) 15:21 wizzyrea EXACTLY. 15:21 libsysguy only if they are low calorie substitutes to regular dogs 15:21 drojf ah no it's puffin dogs ;) 15:21 libsysguy i thought those were dragons 15:22 libsysguy puffin dragons ;) 15:22 wizzyrea who would make a sausage out of a puffin? 15:23 libsysguy not I 15:24 mtompset How did you get from rangi being assaulted by smells that imply the wrong thing to zebra mating with solr, wizzyrea? 15:24 kf reread it 15:24 kf it's totally logical 15:25 mtompset starting from where? 15:26 wizzyrea well "totally logical" might be a stretch. 15:26 * wizzyrea has a strange mind 15:26 wizzyrea I think you have to go back a little bit 15:26 wizzyrea to the solr/zebra 15:26 wizzyrea http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-03-29#i_934559 15:27 kf wizzyrea: I like how your mind works :) 15:27 kf I will miss you in my afternoons 15:27 wizzyrea but you'll get me in the evening! 15:27 mtompset I missed oleonard's reply in my initial pass. 15:27 kf well late in the evening 15:27 kf and early in the mornings :) 15:27 kf so less wizzyrea time for us europeans 15:28 wizzyrea some might think that's ok :) 15:28 kf I don't - but still happy for you :) 15:29 mtompset Yes, congratulations on the upcoming move. 15:29 wizzyrea thanks :) 15:29 wizzyrea pretty excited - but so much to do 15:29 Oak why where are you going wizzyrea ? 15:29 wizzyrea and am having trouble focusing 15:30 mtompset She's going to NZ to work with ... i forget... one of those big koha support providers. 15:30 libsysguy Catalyst :p 15:30 mtompset Greetings, Oak! 15:31 Oak hey mtompset :) 15:32 oleonard I'll bet NEKLS is freaking out just as much to be losing you wizzyrea 15:32 oleonard Ain't nobody around there got all the qualifications they have on that job listing 15:33 Oak kf 15:33 Oak magnuse 15:34 druthb o/ 15:34 Oak hello oleonard 15:34 mtompset Greetings, druthb: Translation Manager. 15:34 Oak druthb! where do you disappear? 15:34 druthb :D 15:35 libsysguy you don't want to know Oak :p 15:35 * druthb hides a lot. 15:35 Oak :) heh 15:35 libsysguy really she is always behind you…waiting…to migrate your data 15:36 mtompset Well, it's crazy late here, and I have to test out kf's idea regarding a problem we're experiencing tomorrow morning. 15:36 mtompset kf++ # thanks for the idea. 15:37 mtompset @quote random 15:37 huginn mtompset: Quote #134: "<cait> birthday wishes go over crazy bugs :)" (added by gmcharlt at 06:49 PM, May 20, 2011) 15:37 * Oak thinks she should stay connected to the irc. it gives us peace to see everyone is here. not chatting perhaps. but here. 15:37 druthb @later tell tcohen I agree; we need a translation meeting fairly soon, to discuss the manual translation and plenty of other things. I'd like to get a feel for what sorts of concerns are out there for us to address. I'll figure something out, and announce it soon. 15:37 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded. 15:38 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone! :) 15:39 Oak @later tell mtompset your poem was cool... :) 15:39 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 15:40 druthb @quote random 15:40 huginn druthb: Quote #72: "<nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client" (added by jdavidb at 12:28 PM, April 29, 2010) 15:40 Oak @wunder Konstanz 15:40 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.7°C (5:35 PM CEST on October 10, 2012). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 15:40 druthb whoa...haven't heard *that* name in a while. 15:41 * druthb has a brief existential crisis, then moves along to other things. 15:41 druthb wahanui: Oak? 15:41 wahanui i guess Oak is Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla. or good 15:41 Oak kf leave early today. have coffee in a cafe somewhere. 15:42 druthb hm... 15:42 Oak :) 15:42 druthb wahanui: druthb? 15:42 wahanui you are TM for 3.12. Now we know she's crazy. 15:42 jcamins Oak: good luck getting her to listen to you. 15:42 jcamins jcamins? 15:42 wahanui well, jcamins is running for release manager for 3.12 and a his work on authorities is amazing! 15:42 jcamins forget jcamins 15:42 wahanui jcamins: I forgot jcamins 15:42 Oak jcamins, I try ... 15:42 gaetan_B bye 15:42 jcamins jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. 15:42 jcamins jcamins? 15:42 wahanui you are RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. 15:42 Oak gaetan_B, later 15:43 druthb jcamins? 15:43 wahanui jcamins is brilliant 15:43 kf :) 15:43 kf cait? 15:43 jcamins Awww. 15:43 kf drojf: I am slightly disppointed now :) 15:43 kf kf? 15:43 wahanui you are cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. 15:44 jcamins cait? 15:44 Oak slides? 15:44 wahanui kf should be writing slides 15:44 druthb jcamins? 15:44 wahanui hmmm... jcamins is brilliant 15:44 drojf kf: when you least expect it… 15:44 wizzyrea nah, not freaking. If they can get even 1/3 of the stuff on that list they'll be fine. 15:44 druthb I see it finally got rid of the "or" clauses properly. 15:44 * druthb put in an easter egg. Or maybe two. For jcamins to find. 15:45 Oak kf will you ever listen to us poor souls? 15:45 jcamins drojf: were you around when I learned the reason the error documents don't work is that PSGI applications aren't allowed to use .pl files as error documents. 15:45 druthb @eightball will kf ever listen to us and leave work early and relax? 15:45 huginn druthb: Naturally. 15:45 jcamins lol 15:45 kf she can't 15:45 Oak damn 15:46 kf she has a training to prepare and a gazillion tickets to deal with 15:46 druthb broken eightball. wahanui got fixed, but that's broken. 15:46 Oak you know, an hour for yourself won't be bad for you. 15:46 Oak i promise. 15:46 drojf jcamins: i read the log 15:46 wizzyrea in fact, it will help 15:47 Oak or for the damn training and stupid tickets. 15:47 * Oak hides 15:47 drojf jcamins: have not heard from dpavlin_ about his config, if it is not obvious from that how he made error pages work i'll ask for that too 15:47 jcamins drojf: okay. 15:47 jcamins drojf: he's using Apache... 15:47 drojf ah ok 15:48 drojf let's just paint nix html error pages ;) 15:48 drojf nice 15:49 * druthb thinks that's the first time she's ever seen Oak say "damn." 15:49 jcamins Hehe. 15:49 jcamins drojf: yes, that seems the way to go. 15:49 Oak :) 15:51 jcamins drojf: actually, what I'd really prefer is if Plack passed the error back to nginx, but I suppose that's not doable. 15:52 drojf that would be cool 15:53 jcamins The FAQ says that's not supported by current web servers. 15:53 kf Oak: I know - almost ready to go now :) 15:54 kf druthb: I think we are bad influence 15:54 Oak oh good. i had written that -> kf if you leave early i'll sing you a song on Skype or G+ later. 15:54 Oak but no need now. 15:55 druthb kf: probably. 15:55 Oak bad influence on who? 15:56 Oak ah got it 15:58 * Oak wanders off 15:58 kf oh no... 15:58 kf darn. 16:09 drojf w00t. koha gnupg'd my checkin message 16:10 jcamins drojf: very cool. 16:10 jcamins This reminds me. 16:10 jcamins I have to figure out how to get my package signing key off my VM and onto my server. 16:11 jcamins I also have to figure out gpg agent on Ubuntu. 16:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #874 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:13 drojf jcamins: i just copied the keys into a file on the vm, then imported with 'gpg --import filename', got long key id with 'gpg --list-keys --with-colons <key_id>' and trusted with 'gpg -e -r --trustedkey <long key id> somefile' 16:14 drojf don't know if directly encrypting a file to trust the key is still needed, came from a very old posting where i found out what the long id is 16:15 jcamins How did you get the keys into the file? 16:15 drojf exported in file from thunderbird/openpgp 16:16 drojf don't knpow if you can just import your .gpg file 16:17 drojf i don't have a share folder between my notebook and the vm at the moment and i wanted to avoid sending that file around via some other server 16:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8831: relabel gstrate with Tax rate <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c75d667d5a299e72601965459e5ab3c1c67974c> / Bug 8700 - RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7ef547ec95f664656d9e2fd5dab919a6d00e5ca> / Bug 8820 - Don't show orders table if there are no orders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a= 16:17 jcamins Oh, looks like I can just transfer .gnupg using scp. 16:17 drojf it's --trusted-key btw, was a typo. 'gpg -e -r --trusted-key <long key id> somefile' 16:18 drojf a that's fancy 16:19 jcamins Cool, worked perfectly. 16:19 jcamins And I remembered not to encrypt the tgz using the private key I was trying to transfer. :) 16:20 drojf :) 16:20 vfernandes guys I'm having one problem using MARC21 and Koha searches... if I search for "DiacrÃtica: revista do Centro de Estudos HumanÃsticos. Série filosofia e cultura" there is no results, but if I search for "DiacrÃtica revista do Centro de Estudos HumanÃsticos. Série filosofia e cultura" there is 1 result. 16:20 vfernandes there is some problem with ":" 16:20 jcamins vfernandes: yes. 16:20 vfernandes I didn't search the sort string 16:21 vfernandes *I didn't change the sort_string.chr 16:21 kf I think there is a bug report for that 16:21 kf problems with : 16:21 jcamins Put a space in between Diacritica and the colon. 16:21 jcamins There is a bug, somewhere. 16:21 drojf kf: and you can't search it because if the ":"? 16:21 drojf of 16:22 jcamins drojf: hehe. 16:22 vfernandes If I put a space before it works 16:23 jcamins That is, unfortunately, what you have to do. 16:23 * kf heard this could be fixed by this search rewrite 16:23 jcamins kf: funny, I heard that too! 16:23 jcamins Oh, wait. 16:23 jcamins I'm the one who said so. :D 16:24 vfernandes :) 16:24 kf search rewrite? 16:24 wahanui it has been said that search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 16:24 kf and now Ileave :) 16:24 kf bye all! 16:24 vfernandes lol 16:25 vfernandes i'll let the client know that is a system bug 16:25 jcamins vfernandes: if they are interested in getting it fixed, sponsorship opportunities for the search rewrite are still available. 16:26 jcamins 1(b) is underway. 16:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The New Koha Calendar http://t.co/7oz8vwut #kohails" 16:32 libsysguy ^^ oh I wonder who wrote that 16:32 libsysguy heh 16:33 jcamins libsysguy: isn't a "wipeout" what happens when you're ice skating and lean too far forward? :P 16:33 libsysguy it is also a song 16:33 wahanui okay, libsysguy. 16:33 libsysguy what is a wipeout 16:34 libsysguy aww c'mon wahanui 16:34 libsysguy wipeout 16:34 jcamins it? 16:34 jcamins it? 16:34 jcamins it? 16:34 wahanui hmmm... it is a song 16:34 jcamins Heh. 16:34 libsysguy heh 16:34 libsysguy soab 16:34 libsysguy wahanui forget it 16:34 wahanui libsysguy: I forgot it 16:34 libsysguy LOL 16:35 libsysguy wahanui wipeout is a song or when you lean too far forward ice skating 16:35 wahanui OK, libsysguy. 16:35 libsysguy wipeout? 16:35 wahanui hmmm... wipeout is a song or when you lean too far forward ice skating 16:35 libsysguy ok ill stop poking the bot now 16:35 jcamins wahanui: it is <reply> 16:35 wahanui OK, jcamins. 16:35 jcamins it? 16:36 jcamins it is so. 16:36 jcamins it? 16:36 jcamins :) 16:36 libsysguy wahanui: it is @quote random 16:36 wahanui ...but it is <reply>... 16:36 libsysguy :p 16:36 jcamins Ooh, that's an intriguing idea. 16:37 libsysguy yeah I was wondering if wahanui supported nesting 16:37 jcamins wahanui: @quote 123 is <reply> @quote get 123 16:37 wahanui OK, jcamins. 16:37 jcamins @quote 123 16:37 wahanui @quote get 123 16:37 huginn jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes 16:37 huginn wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:37 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... 16:37 jcamins :) 16:37 libsysguy we are going to break the bots 16:38 oleonard Save your logical paradoxes for frying the brains of invading alien robot probes please 16:38 libsysguy heh jcamins and I could probably come up with some good ones 16:41 SJeffery Grr, I think someone fixed how Koha handles URLs, which broke all of our stuff. 16:41 oleonard "handles URLs?" 16:41 libsysguy ^^ ? 16:41 wahanui hmmm... ^^ is always wizzyrea's concern, weird stuff could happen 16:42 wizzyrea forget ^^ 16:42 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot ^^ 16:42 libsysguy heh silly wizzyrea 16:42 jcamins I don't recall any changes to URL handling. 16:43 SJeffery You used to be able to put //servername/path/file.ext in the 856 and have it work (at least in IE). Now that no longer works...it tries to add the base URL of the installation to the address. I can't recall patching IE, so I will happily blame the Koha gods. 16:43 jcamins Hmmm... it's always been like that. 16:43 jcamins At least as far as I can recall. 16:43 libsysguy jcamins SJeffery thinks we're gods :p 16:43 * oleonard blames IE whenever possible 16:44 * libsysguy only considers himself a demigod :p 16:44 SJeffery I swear I had it working at one point! 16:44 jcamins If you use a relative path, your web browser will interpret as being on the same server. 16:44 SJeffery (or broken, which means working!) 16:44 jcamins *it 16:45 SJeffery Is there a way to trick the browser into not using it? 16:45 jcamins That's the reason for that Microsoft stuck \/\/\/\/ in URLs at one point. 16:45 jcamins Or \\\\\\\\. 16:45 jcamins I don't quite remember. 16:46 jcamins Try \\\\\\\\? 16:46 jcamins You only use IE. 16:46 jcamins Actually, IE may need fewer. Maybe just \\\\? 16:48 jcamins SJeffery: wait, why don't you just stick file:// in front of it? 16:48 jcamins file://server/path/to/file 16:48 SJeffery Emoticons are the way to fix IE? Who would have thought:) 16:49 jcamins lol 16:50 wizzyrea heh. 16:50 jcamins Put on a happy face when IE puts you out, walk down the net and for the right syntax look... 16:51 jcamins Not bad, eh? 16:51 wizzyrea hehe 16:54 libsysguy lunch does sound good 16:54 libsysguy if I could have some carbs :'( 16:55 wizzyrea no way http://bit.ly/dw_monopolygame 16:55 wizzyrea boo grain is evil. 16:55 wizzyrea you don't eat that stuff anymore. 16:55 wizzyrea ;) 16:56 * wizzyrea is being encouraging 16:56 * oleonard is confused by conflicting dietary advice 16:56 jcamins wizzyrea: and of course when you're doing really well you have to say "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" 16:56 libsysguy it is confusing 16:57 libsysguy hehe thanks wizzyrea 16:57 * jcamins is not giving up grains. 16:57 * libsysguy will start eating oats again when I get back to a gym 16:57 wizzyrea hehe oleonard 16:57 * libsysguy needs a gym to get back to :'( 16:57 wizzyrea oats are okish. 16:58 * jcamins has cut back on meat, and that's about all the dietary changes he's making at this time. 16:58 SJeffery tried the file(colon)/, that works, but apparently IE does not support clicking on that type of link...figures. 16:59 jcamins SJeffery: IE doesn't support clicking on the link? 16:59 libsysguy solution: don't use IE 16:59 jcamins That's... 16:59 wizzyrea yea, why are you using IE? 16:59 jcamins actually, not all that surprising. 16:59 * wizzyrea totally suspects that it *did* work 16:59 wizzyrea but IE had an update 16:59 wizzyrea and now it doesn't 16:59 jcamins It is a Wednesday. 17:00 oleonard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_URI_scheme 17:01 jcamins SJeffery: try adding two additional slashes? 17:02 jcamins It's just a workaround, but it might by you another patch or two. 17:03 SJeffery on the plus side, we run IE8:) 17:03 wizzyrea the plus side? 17:03 wizzyrea that's the plus side? 17:03 jcamins wizzyrea: compared to IE7? 17:03 jcamins Yes. 17:03 wizzyrea oh, well yes. 17:03 * jcamins shudders. 17:03 SJeffery We were on 6 until recently 17:03 * wizzyrea shudders 17:04 wizzyrea recently as in the last 6 months? 17:04 libsysguy IE6 17:05 libsysguy holy mother... 17:05 libsysguy did the internet even work? 17:05 libsysguy i think developers gave up on 6 years ago 17:05 wizzyrea more importantly, how did Koha work? 17:05 * wizzyrea suspects the answer is "not well" 17:06 jcamins wizzyrea: actually, other than javascript, it functioned reasonably okay, I think. 17:06 SJeffery Actually, the internet did sortof stop working. Entire parts of pages would not render at all. 17:06 jcamins For the OPAC. 17:06 SJeffery I think this might be the issue (from the bottom of the wikipedia page): "Internet Explorer browsers, prior to version 7, will attempt to access file: URLs even if they reside on pages fetched over HTTP" 17:07 wizzyrea I often wonder how people who use IE view the web - they must think it's completely broken. 17:07 jcamins Oh, of course... a security issue, now fixed. 17:08 drojf ha-ha *hides* 17:08 SJeffery drojf: I will be at the next Koha conference, and I *will* find you! 17:09 jcamins SJeffery: well, perhaps you could persuade IT to change the security policy for the Koha catalog to LAN? 17:09 * jcamins does not make any claims to this being a good idea. 17:09 wizzyrea or, convince IT that they should not force you to use IE? 17:10 * wizzyrea hopes that she's not sticking her foot in her mouth and that you are the person making these decisions >.< 17:10 wizzyrea (because that's totally not my intention) 17:11 wizzyrea afk lunch 17:13 SJeffery Sadly, I have zero control about anything on our local systems and only a tiny bit of control of our network. 17:14 sekjal while (true) { kf++;} #congrats on QAM for 3.12! 17:18 libsysguy shoot i missed the meeting this morning 17:18 libsysguy I totally forgot 17:18 * jcamins remembered. But I decided that I needed to sleep, after having been up at 4 yesterday. 17:18 drojf bad luck, we did not vote for you now libsysguy :P 17:19 drojf bad luck, we voted for you now jcamins :P 17:19 libsysguy hehe less QA for me then 17:19 oleonard Or better yet: bad luck, we voted for you for everything libsysguy 17:19 drojf libsysguy: kidding 17:19 libsysguy NOOOO 17:19 libsysguy oleonard 17:19 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 17:19 libsysguy not funny man 17:19 libsysguy logs? 17:19 wahanui hmmm... logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 17:19 libsysguy thanks wahanui 17:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #874: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/874/ 17:24 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8441: hides MODS export by default in French install 17:24 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8742 - Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL 17:24 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8801: Add menu entry to delete items in batch 17:24 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8820 - Don't show orders table if there are no orders 17:24 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8700 - RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly 17:24 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8831: relabel gstrate with Tax rate 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8441 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Hide MODS export for UNIMARC 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8742 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8801 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Offer to batch delete items of a biblio record 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8820 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't show orders table if there are no orders 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8700 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8831 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , gstrate should say 'Tax rate' 17:43 * cait waves 17:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails The New Koha Calendar http://t.co/6XB7z3m9" 17:48 mveron Cool, this calendar... 18:02 rangi Morning 18:02 wahanui somebody said Morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:03 cait morning :) 18:06 rangi Who wants to post the roles on the website? 18:08 cait I asked ealier and noone reacted :) 18:08 rangi Hehe 18:08 rangi Me I guess 18:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Cataloging in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/Qshqm80W #kohails" 18:16 jcamins_away rangi++ # for volunteering 18:18 rangi Will do when I get to work 18:29 rangi Hmm I think it's pizza Thursday 18:29 jcamins I was thinking that too. 18:30 cait no, it was pizza wednesday :) 18:30 jcamins You're right. 18:30 jcamins Pizza Wednesday. 18:31 * jcamins saw "pizza" which is exactly what he was thinking about a scant five minutes ago. 18:31 rangi It's never pizza Wednesday 18:31 rangi It's curry Wednesday 18:31 jcamins Ah, curries are contentious here. 18:32 rangi Two catalyst traditions liz will learn 18:35 cait lucky liz :) 18:36 rangi Pizza and talks 18:36 rangi I wonder what topics today 18:38 rangi Bbiab 18:41 wajasu jcamins: i noticed that when i ran link_bibs_to_authorites.pl with --test, it calls LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities, which if you have AutoAddAuthorities syspref enabled, calls AddAuthority, which results in auth_header being updated. 18:42 jcamins Interesting. You should file a bug. 18:42 wajasu ok. 18:44 jcamins Note to bloggers: when blogging, you still need punctuation. 18:44 jcamins The first sentence of that blog post was... 10 lines long? 18:44 * jcamins didn't bother reading it all, much less the rest of the post. 18:44 wizzyrea curry! 18:46 rangi back 18:47 rangi drojf++ #gpg emails 18:48 cait wizzyrea: you are so lucky! 18:48 * jcamins is jealous. 18:49 * cait too 18:50 rangi ooh accessibility hour is one of the talks, and gerrit is another 18:50 cait :) 18:59 oleonard What about gpg emails? 19:00 drojf bug 8897 19:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, In Discussion , Optional GnuPG encryption of outgoing emails 19:08 cait 4000/8 19:08 cait oh come on wahanui :) 19:09 oleonard 4000 / 8 ? 19:09 wahanui 500 19:09 cait right 19:09 cait heh, ok, that was really lazy 19:09 wajasu 8*500 19:09 oleonard 4000 / 8 - 321 * 77 + 4 ? 19:09 wahanui -24213 19:09 oleonard Yup, checks out. 19:10 * oleonard did that in his head 19:10 jcamins 8*500 19:10 jcamins 8*500? 19:10 wahanui 8*500 is probably 200 19:10 wajasu ha 19:11 * wajasu such is the sound of remove_items_from_biblioitems. 19:11 wajasu do that remove duplicate info from the marc or marcxml in biblioitems? 19:12 magnuse drojf: nope, mine are puffin dogs :-) 19:12 jcamins No, it removes items from biblioitems entirely. 19:12 cait magnuse? :) 19:12 wizzyrea puffin dogs! 19:12 magnuse cait? 19:12 wizzyrea puffin dogs? 19:12 drojf magnuse: :) 19:12 cait was wondering why you repeated that :) 19:12 magnuse yup! 19:12 jcamins puffin dogs? 19:12 wahanui puffin dogs are not birds 19:12 wajasu where were they stored? in db fields? or marcxml tag fields? 19:13 jcamins items. 19:13 drojf puffin dog items? 19:13 * magnuse tries not to store puffindogs in *either db fields or marcxml tags fields too often 19:14 * wizzyrea is still lost - what are puffin dogs? 19:14 jcamins wizzyrea: according to wahanui, they're not birds. 19:14 drojf they would not fit because of the extra toes ;) 19:15 magnuse wizzyrea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lundehund <-- read that and be amazed! :-) 19:15 cait indeed 19:15 * wizzyrea reads 19:15 wizzyrea oh my that dog is adorable. 19:15 cait they have too many toes and can move their head like the person in the excorsict 19:16 wizzyrea whoa. 19:16 magnuse then have a look at this pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lundeblogg/417311473/ 19:16 * wizzyrea dies from the cute 19:16 magnuse hehe 19:17 wizzyrea I like this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lundeblogg/417307918/sizes/l/in/photostream/ 19:17 wizzyrea cute cute cute 19:17 magnuse see, we gotta have kohacon up here some time in the future so y'all can meet some puffindogs :-) 19:18 wizzyrea "Norwegian Puffin Dog" 19:18 wizzyrea but why *puffin* 19:18 wizzyrea because they are balls of adorable puffy fur? 19:18 magnuse 'cause they were used to hunt puffins 19:18 wizzyrea you have puffins in norway? 19:18 rangi not anymore 19:18 jcamins puffins? 19:18 wahanui puffins are birds, unless you're talking about the dogs. 19:18 * wizzyrea rimshots 19:18 magnuse they are in fact specially adapted to hunt exactly puffins 19:18 rangi :) 19:19 magnuse sure we do - still a fair number 19:19 magnuse but their numbers are dwindling, sadly 19:19 wizzyrea i am clearly uneducated in the biology of norway 19:19 * magnuse can see them from his living room window, some years 19:20 cait wizzyrea: you are going to nz - but I will go to oslo! 19:20 magnuse wizzyrea: you better come over and dedicate a year or two to studying norwegian biology :-) 19:20 cait well... only for 2 days... and no puffin digs 19:20 cait dogs 19:20 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "New Release team for Koha 3.12 http://t.co/iKFS2LPj #kohails" 19:20 wizzyrea actually that will probably be my next trick. 19:20 wizzyrea j/k 19:20 wizzyrea well more or less. 19:20 cait heh :) 19:20 magnuse there are some in oslo, but i can't pronise anything :-) 19:20 cait I favor that - same time zone 19:20 wizzyrea i do love biology. 19:20 magnuse yay! 19:21 drojf wizzyrea: planning to work for libriotech in the future? ;) 19:21 wizzyrea lol. oy. 19:21 oleonard Hey, I wanna go to Oslo! 19:21 wizzyrea maybe? 19:21 magnuse ooh! 19:21 wizzyrea oh, get oleonard 19:21 wizzyrea it's "use koha to save the americans" day 19:21 * magnuse wishes he could hire lots of cool koha folks like wizzyrea 19:21 cait magnuse: yeah, get oleonard :) 19:21 * oleonard was just thinking of a visit :) 19:22 magnuse hmmm... 19:22 jcamins lol 19:22 wizzyrea I did not think of puffins as a cold weather bird. 19:22 rangi Get your two step on 19:22 rangi http://soundcloud.com/poire-a-lavement/juliet-my-first-hardcore-song 19:22 rangi (thats for magnuse) 19:22 jcamins rangi++ # for points 5-8 19:22 * cait likes this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/lundeblogg/417309759/in/photostream/ 19:22 cait yep awesome list 19:22 magnuse wizzyrea: do they live anywhere not cold? 19:23 wizzyrea oh I want to invent time travel 19:23 cait jcamins: it was decided yo uhave to entertain me in the afternoons now when liz will be no longer available 19:23 wizzyrea well just because I didn't *think* of them as cold weather birds doesn't mean my thinking was *right* 19:23 oleonard Those are in order by increasing unlikeliness? 19:23 magnuse wizzyrea: hehe 19:23 * magnuse has eaten puffin, once 19:24 jcamins cait: go QA things! 19:24 cait you woud eat a cute bird like this? 19:24 magnuse yup 19:24 cait doesn't have leonard a stuffed puffin? 19:24 * jcamins ate pigeon once. 19:24 cait they are not as cute 19:24 jcamins Actually, it wasn't the eating that was the problem. 19:24 rangi ive eaten pigeon 19:24 wizzyrea ok they are adorable. I could not eat that. 19:24 jcamins It was the cooking. 19:25 rangi in macau 19:25 libsysguy I just put up my blog post on how to use DBIx::Class 19:25 magnuse [off] http://www.enger.priv.no/lpbs/leonard39.jpg 19:25 libsysguy i'm sure it'll be here in a min via the twitbot 19:25 wizzyrea awwwwwwwwwwww 19:25 jcamins The "I had to kill twelve animals in order to make a pie?" realization was unwanted. 19:25 cait cutest baby ever 19:25 rangi cute! 19:25 wizzyrea at least it wasn't 4 and 20 19:26 jcamins Awww. 19:26 wizzyrea i'm sure many of you have seen the epic adorable that is magnus' facebook profile pic. 19:26 * cait nods and agrees 19:26 * magnuse blushes :-) 19:26 wizzyrea afk for a bit 19:27 jcamins wizzyrea: you know, it never occurred to me to think about that nursery rhyme. 19:27 cait with the little sheep on the clothes :) 19:27 magnuse rangi: that song won't play - ff complains about not finding flash... 19:28 rangi ah annoying 19:28 oleonard It does require flash 19:28 * magnuse thought he had flash 19:28 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "DBIx::Class http://t.co/8UTe7zqZ #kohails" 19:29 magnuse now watch bywater's server get #koha'ed... 19:29 drojf October 10th, 2012 by Chris Cormack "Yesterday the Koha community held an IRC meeting" <- future rangi strikes again ;) 19:30 rangi it was yesterday for me :) 19:30 drojf oi know, you live in the future :) 19:31 jcamins libsysguy: you really just keep hoping I'll forget that we only support CGI out-of-the-box, don't you? 19:31 drojf that list is cool. have there ever been that many people with roles? 19:31 cait jcamins: hm? 19:31 rangi drojf: nope biggest team ever 19:31 cait drojf: my guess is no - seems to be more each time 19:31 drojf \o/ 19:32 magnuse \o/ 19:32 jcamins cait: DeploymentHandler. 19:32 jcamins libsysguy really wants to use it. 19:32 cait oh 19:33 cait guess as qam I should know what you are talking about... 19:33 * magnuse has a short memory 19:33 * cait should start on a reading list 19:33 magnuse do we need persistance to use DBIC? 19:33 rangi nope 19:33 rangi but we do if we want to throw moose anywhere near anything 19:33 rangi worlds slowest OO framework 19:33 magnuse yeah, i remember that much... :-) 19:33 jcamins We need persistance if we're using Moose for anything that people use. 19:34 rangi deploymenthandler uses moose 19:34 magnuse i was just not sure if DBIC somehow depended on Moose 19:34 jcamins Nope. 19:34 magnuse ah 19:34 jcamins Just DeploymentHandler. 19:34 * magnuse will try to remember that 19:35 libsysguy somebody said my nick 3 times 19:35 libsysguy jcamins I know you are anti-deployment handler 19:35 libsysguy but I had a thought 19:35 libsysguy well it was khall's thought 19:36 libsysguy and I am going to repeat it 19:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails DBIx::Class http://t.co/xkIwL1RL" 19:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails New Release team for Koha 3.12 http://t.co/mXPRlAjM" 19:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Roles for the 3.12 Koha release http://t.co/kjEacIst" 19:36 libsysguy if deployment handler uses moose, which is laggy and monstrously large…what do we care if it is only called during an update… 19:37 rangi why pull in half of cpan for a rarely used feature then? 19:37 libsysguy because the other version is depricated 19:37 rangi if you package moose as a deb, and have it work 19:37 rangi then i might slightly consider it 19:38 libsysguy if "I" package it? 19:38 libsysguy heh 19:38 jcamins libsysguy: 'cause we have to check the system is up to date. 19:38 rangi yup 19:38 libsysguy :'( 19:38 rangi cos no one else is going to :) 19:38 libsysguy hehehe 19:38 cait and only for an update that seems a bit... 19:38 cait are there distros that don't support moose for example? 19:38 libsysguy how long can we avoid Moose 19:38 cait I mean it would be an absolute requirement for update 19:38 rangi forever quite easily 19:38 cait forever? 19:38 libsysguy really 19:38 rangi there are better oo frameworks 19:38 rangi yep 19:38 rangi moo 19:39 * cait likes the sound of moo 19:39 rangi tiny::class 19:39 rangi heaps 19:39 rangi moose is rails 19:39 rangi its for lazy developers who think their time is more important than the users 19:39 rangi </rant> 19:39 libsysguy haha 19:39 drojf lol 19:39 libsysguy I thought Moose was required for Solr? 19:39 libsysguy ^^ could be wrong 19:40 jcamins libsysguy: it is for the current implementation, but see note above about "having it work." 19:41 rangi is ::Versioned deprecated? 19:41 khall I've said it before, and I'll say it again, cpanm ; ) 19:41 rangi ill say NO 19:41 rangi again 19:41 khall heh : )= 19:41 rangi debian maintained packages trump cpanm any day 19:42 rangi unless you want to commit to replicated the debian security team :-) 19:42 rangi replicating even 19:42 khall what I really don't like is needing to install both from debian packages and from cpan. 19:43 jcamins khall: agreed. That's why we're moving towards Debian packages. 19:43 rangi yep, there are very little that are cpan only (just the solr stuff) 19:43 rangi liw and eythian have packaged tons of modules for debian 19:44 rangi and most of them made it into the squeeze, the rest are in wheezy 19:44 magnuse have fun #koha 19:44 rangi and therefore ubuntu 19:44 khall if we set the rule 'nothing that's not available as a debian package' I may not like it, but I could get behind it. 19:45 rangi not available is ok, we can package it 19:45 jcamins I'm comfortable with "not currently available but readily packageable." 19:45 rangi its code that is incompatible with the packaged version that is the problem 19:45 jcamins It's things like Moose that require tearing apart your environment in order to install -- much less package -- that are problems. 19:46 liw packaging more cpan modules for Debian: ++ 19:46 khall but isn't moose available in debian packages? 19:47 libsysguy am I missing something http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libmoose-perl 19:47 rangi 08:42 <@rangi> its code that is incompatible with the packaged version that is the problem 19:47 jcamins Right, try using that with Koha and you'll kill your system. 19:47 jcamins Dead. 19:47 rangi the problem is the code for solr is incompatible with the packaged version of moose 19:48 rangi you get into a messy upgrade/downgrade nightmare 19:48 libsysguy so both koha and solr are incompatible or just just solr currently in koha? 19:48 rangi solr itself doesnt give a crap about perl :) 19:48 jcamins I ended up needing to reinstall every single package in order to get Koha to run again after I tried to package a newer version of Moose in order to test Solr. 19:48 rangi its just the implementation we have to talk to solr 19:48 libsysguy well the solr integration bits :p 19:48 rangi in particular 19:48 cait and as solr is the only thing using moose right now... 19:48 rangi Data::SearchEngine 19:48 * libsysguy remembers that jcamins 19:49 cait can't we make it talk to solr using something else? 19:49 rangi im just waiting for jcamins to fix it all with his search rewrite :-) 19:49 libsysguy yeah jcamins 19:49 libsysguy why isn't that done yet 19:49 rangi which incidentally is looking really good so far 19:49 libsysguy you've had what…like a week 19:50 jcamins lol 19:50 rangi but libsysguy/khall if you like OO frameworks, and you want one fast, and powerful check out moo 19:50 jcamins Moo is pretty cool. 19:50 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~mstrout/Moo-1.000004/lib/Moo.pm 19:50 cait jcamins: how is the funding going? is the page up to date? 19:50 jcamins And it meets the "must be easily packageable" requirement. 19:50 jcamins cait: I think so, yes. 19:51 libsysguy clever 19:51 jcamins No new news to report. Waiting on feedback from one of our earliest funders, then we'll do 1(b). 19:51 libsysguy just truncate Moose to Moo 19:51 jcamins It's a little more than half of what Moose offers. 19:51 jcamins But ten times faster. 19:51 rangi and doesnt depend on XS libs 19:51 rangi so, could work on OSX if you were mental 19:52 cait jcamins: hope you hear back soon :) 19:52 rangi and windows if you were demented 19:52 drojf lol rangi 19:52 * libsysguy is not THAT motivated 19:52 rangi heh 19:52 rangi but yeah the xs libs are what makes cross platform stuff harder 19:52 jcamins http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417#c23 <-- speed 19:52 huginn 04Bug 7417: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches 19:52 libsysguy brb 19:52 khall any thoughts on Mouse? 19:53 * oleonard thinks these names are getting ridiculous 19:53 rangi mouse is better than moose, but still about 3times as big as moo, and slower 19:54 libsysguy back 19:54 khall I'm wondering if Mouse + Any::Moose + DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler is viable, or crazy 19:54 jcamins Crazy. 19:54 khall figured ; )= 19:55 jcamins There's a page somewhere that explains why that will result in insanity under Plack. 19:55 rangi if you could get it to go with moo, you'd be moving away from crazy 19:55 jcamins Yeah, Moo was written in large part to fix the Mouse + Any::Moose + things like Plack = chaos. 19:55 libsysguy b-b-but deployment handler has downgrades for when we screw up :p 19:56 rangi heh, i wish those ever worked :) 19:56 khall seriously, downgrades would be very very useful 19:56 rangi how do you downgrade from removing a column 19:56 libsysguy insert? 19:56 rangi the data is gone 19:56 cait what rangi says 19:56 cait i think it's only an interesting features for developers 19:56 jcamins libsysguy: the problem with downgrades is upgrade design, not technology. 19:56 cait not for libraries 19:56 * rangi has spent years trying to get reliable down patches for huge ssystems 19:57 rangi the best downgrade, is a back up ;-) 19:57 * jcamins wrote his own deployment system years ago. 19:57 rangi having a downgrade system devs can use isnt a bad goal, but having it be useful in production is unlikely to ever be achieved 19:58 rangi once data is gone, its gone 19:58 khall we've had to downgrade Koha sites due to make-or-break bugs that weren't found before release. 19:58 * rangi hasnt 19:59 rangi in 13 years 19:59 rangi so ymmv 19:59 cait ymmv? 19:59 libsysguy ^^ 19:59 khall your milage may vary 19:59 libsysguy heh 19:59 cait thx 19:59 khall np 19:59 jcamins ymmv is your mileage may vary 19:59 cait khall: but do you want to make that a regular thing? 20:00 libsysguy ahh downgrades for deployment handler use the backups it makes 20:00 libsysguy i think 20:00 khall you mean downgrade-ability? rangi has a good point. I think we could say 'this version can downgrade to this version' 20:00 rangi if so, then you run into the same problem just using backups is 20:01 rangi data is stale now 20:01 jcamins libsysguy: seems like that would be likely to lead to unwanted side effects. 20:01 rangi do i go back and lose a day of circ 20:01 libsysguy it could 20:01 libsysguy but in a pinch 20:01 jcamins Better to not sugarcoat it and say "we support downgrades." 20:01 jcamins You have a backup from that same time, just use it. 20:01 rangi automated downgrades = most likely asplode and kill us all 20:01 libsysguy man you guys are a tough crowd :p 20:02 rangi i can see the use for development when you dont care about the data as much 20:02 rangi but what if the upgrade is to add a column to issues 20:02 rangi then you do 3 days of circ 20:02 rangi then you try to downgrade 20:02 libsysguy maybe a warning…"YO FOOL YOU ABOUT TO DELTE SOME DATA!!!" 20:03 libsysguy heh 20:03 khall how often is db data destroyed in an upgrade? I'd say rarely at most. It's usually new or transformed. 20:03 cait I think better work on never ever make it necessary for people to downgrade 20:03 khall cait++ 20:03 cait andi am withrangi - I foresee lots and lots and lots of trouble 20:03 cait if we tried to 20:03 rangi khall: that transform might be a one way transform tho 20:04 rangi ie, going back .. not doable 20:04 khall very true 20:04 wahanui I know. That's why I said it. 20:04 rangi [off] stuff.co.nz .. we have to deal with this stuff a lot 20:04 jcamins khall: well, there's the thing. We don't traditionally write our updates to be two-way, and most of the time the upgrades aren't idempotent, they just happen to cause errors when you rerun them. 20:04 rangi [off] 2 week release cycles too 20:05 khall I'd say this dead horse has been throughly beaten at this point ; ) 20:05 rangi i still would like to see something easier for testing 20:05 libsysguy well I think its still possible for use to use versioned 20:05 libsysguy we just won't support downgrades 20:05 jcamins I think using Versioned would be a great idea. 20:05 rangi i like versioned 20:06 * libsysguy shrugs 20:06 libsysguy problem solved 20:06 khall DeploymentHandler has other features that make it better, such as allowing perl scripts as part of the upgrade proccess. 20:06 rangi yup 20:06 khall if we use versioned, what do we do about db updates that require perl code? 20:06 rangi but we can use versioned + scripts 20:08 khall that would work. 20:08 khall What would you consider the biggest reason to switch to versioned from what we have? I would assume db agnosticism? 20:08 rangi yup 20:09 rangi plus maintainablilty 20:09 rangi updatedatabase.pl is too long 20:09 khall I was just about to say that. I recall it being reset when we went to 3.0 20:10 khall it's huge again! 20:10 khall 5365 lines 20:11 khall here's a question, what will get is to Koha 4.0? 20:11 jcamins A successor to yours truly. 20:11 khall heh 20:12 libsysguy aww you're giving up after just one go? 20:12 rangi [off] fork and act unethically ? 20:12 rangi [off] that's how others did it 20:12 libsysguy [off] HA 20:12 rangi id say db agnosticism would be a definite candidate for a major number bump 20:13 jcamins Or two, though that doesn't seem likely. 20:15 rangi getting rid of kohastructure.sql is a big step along that path 20:15 rangi [off] we could just enter an arms race, jump right to 6.0 20:16 oleonard But... db agnosticism would suggest that there isn't one db which is better than all the rest! 20:17 rangi oh yeah, forgot about that! 20:18 * oleonard waves goodbye to #koha 20:19 drojf did someone say postgresql? 20:19 rangi cya oleonard 20:21 rangi https://www.privacyfix.com/start 20:22 rangi reminds me i need to finish my mozilla persona work 20:24 ibeardslee you doing some dev for that? 20:24 rangi yup, it's half done 20:26 rangi when i get time ill finish it off 20:43 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/horowhenua-mail/7766354/Pride-of-the-community 20:50 rangi is wizzyrea back? 20:51 rangi https://kiwicon.org/the-con/talks/ 20:51 * rangi has his tickets already 20:51 trea ooo 20:52 rangi oh yes trea ! you too! 20:52 * trea claps excitedly 20:53 rangi https://kiwicon.org/the-con/talks/#e77 20:53 rangi looking forward to that one 20:53 cait *sigh :) 20:55 cait love the titles 20:57 cait okok 20:57 cait getting late :) 20:57 cait night all :) 20:57 rangi cya cait 20:58 trea night cait 21:15 wizzyrea i don't have my tickets - I would have to find somewhere to stash the kiddo ;) 21:17 rangi http://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=30828 <-- she doesnt need to HTFU 21:18 wizzyrea wow srs. 21:19 wizzyrea and finished 3rd 21:19 wizzyrea jebus. 21:19 rangi yup 21:28 rangi http://nitrotasks.com/ 21:28 rangi interesting 21:28 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 21:31 wizzyrea interesting indeed 21:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #198 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:46 jcamins @karma rda 21:46 huginn jcamins: rda has neutral karma. 21:46 jcamins Really? 21:46 rangi https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jenkins-notifier-for-chro/mnjbjjllbclkpnebaddhkoonjelmiekm?hl=en-US&utm_source=chrome-ntp-launcher 21:46 jcamins @karma marc 21:46 huginn jcamins: Karma for "marc" has been increased 0 times and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -9. 21:47 drojf increased 0 times? that is hard to believe 22:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #198: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/198/ 22:23 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8441: hides MODS export by default in French install 22:23 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8700 - RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly 22:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8441 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Hide MODS export for UNIMARC 22:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8700 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly 22:41 user110 is the #kohails used for any general tweets relating to Koha, or only certain things? 22:41 rangi any general ones 22:46 user110 sadly, I'll miss Nicole's talk at Internet Librarian on 21 Oct, but if Koha comes up in any of the sessions I attend I'll tweet it 22:46 rangi cool 23:01 jcamins rangi: "Elliott" has two 't's. 23:01 rangi ta will fix 23:01 jcamins Thanks. 23:08 rangi fixed