Time Nick Message 10:19 * magnuse wanders off 10:11 mtompset /o\ 10:09 magnuse \o/ 10:09 cait hi magnuse :) 10:08 mtompset greetings, matts. 10:08 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. 10:08 magnuse hiya drojf and matts and cait and mtompset 10:07 drojf hei magnuse 10:04 magnuse kia ora #koha 10:01 cait :) 09:59 drojf hi cait 09:59 drojf heh. just from too little sleep, not the chili :) 09:59 cait hi drojf 09:59 cait chris_n++ indeed 09:58 mtompset So burn your eyes further, drojf? 09:54 drojf hi mtompset 09:52 mtompset greetings, drojf. 09:50 drojf good day #koha 09:50 drojf chris_n++ 09:37 mtompset Hmmm... osslabs is a paid support provider for koha, but they have a 3.2 koha live cd. 09:20 sidd i'll be back...mwah ha ha ha... :) 09:20 sidd looks good. will read his articles and see if they help me. 09:18 mtompset I see he has linked to a lot of videos from one official Koha Service Provider. 09:17 sidd mtompset: hmmm...will do that. 09:17 mtompset Perhaps he links to a useful video or such. 09:17 sidd mtompset: I know. I am an active member of the fedora chat room at freenode. 09:17 mtompset sidd: You might want to check out VKV's blog site. 09:16 mtompset Remember this is all help provided for free. 09:16 sidd cait: is there a step by step guide (say how-tos) for common things done in koha? 09:16 mtompset If you email the koha mailing list, you have more chance of getting a response. Just don't expect answers immediately. 09:16 sidd mtompset: no, haven't. will they be patient enough ;) :) 09:15 sidd mtompset: data entry is ok, for around 2500 books, i can import it from my existing xls sheets 09:15 mtompset Have you subscribed to the koha mailing list? 09:15 sidd these are some of the questions I need answers for. Will this be the right place to aks them? 09:15 mtompset If you just want to grab the biblio records from some other z39.50 server to do quick data entry, I don't think you need to have to understand it much. 09:14 sidd and how should I create the item. Item creation shows framework that is marc 21 all through :( 09:14 * mtompset nods. 09:14 cait it dpeends on your materials and what you want to do 09:14 cait sidd: you can get along without very deep knowledge of the standard 09:14 sidd so if I want to give only one out of the set, can I do that? 09:14 sidd and I have movies with 2-3 cds each (INdian movies are traditionally 3 hours....) 09:13 sidd i mean i have a small library and had never heard of marc 21 till a few weeks back 09:13 sidd but good to know help is close :) is marc21 knowledge very important for koha? 09:12 mtompset We're hoping to have the LiveCD in a debian-based OS, so that it installs to the hard drive as if you did the packages installation. 09:12 sidd yes, rpms make it easier i guess 09:12 mtompset given that we have packages, which you have installed for debian-based OSes like Ubuntu and others... 09:11 sidd mtompset: live CDs are pretty easy in fedora. or atleast were till fedora core 1 09:11 mtompset hopefully he'll have found a good process before the time 3.10.0 comes out. 09:10 sidd great. 09:10 mtompset And he is working on getting a newer live CD created. 09:10 mtompset He's been posting on our mailing lists. 09:10 mtompset Yes. 09:10 sidd vimal kumar v - he's creatd a live CD on ubuntu 09:09 sidd mtompset: oh, I just found your VKV :) 09:09 sidd www.osslabs.biz/koha/livecd 09:09 mtompset ah. 09:09 sidd it was there on the web somewhere. and google shows it in the first page :( 09:08 mtompset (the seriously out of date one) 09:08 mtompset sidd: Where did you get that livecd from? 09:08 sidd mtompset: I understand. We do have long names when we do have them :0 09:07 mtompset That's why I used the initials. 09:07 mtompset Vimal ... Sorry, he has a long name. 09:07 sidd mtompset: no, don't think I am 09:07 sidd and the manual is already here? that is so non-standard for the s/w world ;) 09:06 mtompset sidd: You aren't VKV are you? 09:06 cait 3.8 is the current stable version, 3.10 will be the next release 09:06 mtompset 3.10 will be released in November. 09:06 sidd am from India 09:06 sidd is that later? 09:06 sidd :) the manual also talks about 3.10 09:06 cait sidd: where are you from? :) 09:06 mtompset sidd++ # reading manual and wiki pages! :) 09:05 sidd was the first thing i did 09:05 sidd mtompset: oh I already have it :) 09:05 sidd brb 09:05 mtompset But you might want to save the manual URL. ;) 09:05 sidd will go ahead from there. 09:05 sidd cait: thanks 09:04 mtompset I'm just a Ubuntu developer. :) 09:04 cait sidd: as far as I know only search groups are functional right now and that is only interesting if you have a lot of branches and want to add some extra search functionality - and it can be always done later 09:04 mtompset That's more of cait's expertise than mine. 09:04 cait sidd: no, you don't have to :) 09:03 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 09:03 mtompset manual? 09:03 mtompset manuals? 09:03 sidd mtompset: yes 09:03 mtompset Is that what you are reading? 09:03 wahanui newbie guide is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide 09:03 mtompset newbie guide? 09:02 sidd mtompset: ih, am back :) i just created a library and I see there is concept of group here. Do I need to create it? The newbie guide doesn't talk about it. 09:02 mtompset That would be expected. And all is indexed. 09:02 cait ah 09:01 mtompset Larger than a previous backup. 09:01 cait larger now than before? 09:01 mtompset statistics is larger, so I'm assuming all is well for that. 09:00 mtompset I'm confirming everything is indexed right now. 08:59 mtompset I'm pretty sure there is a cronjob that cleans up old sessions. 08:59 mtompset I confirmed 27 checkins for the issues tables. 08:59 mtompset but since action_logs, import_biblios, and import_records are bigger on the current db. I'm going to assume all is well. 08:58 mtompset action_logs, import_biblios, import_records, issues, old_issues, sessions, statistics, and zebraqueue differed. 08:57 mtompset Just wrote a script to do record counts on restored backups instead of doing a file diff on a mysqldump. 08:56 mtompset Our server almost experienced a magnificent failure due to lack of drive space the other day. I'm just confirming the backups look good. 08:53 mtompset Okay, that's what I was thinking. 08:53 cait you trunating zebraqueue is fine, but you might want to do a complete reindex if you are not sure they were all done by the time you did that 08:53 cait ? 08:51 mtompset nothing bad would happen if zebraqueue records went missing, right? 08:51 cait yes 08:51 mtompset Okay, you still here, cait? 08:50 mtompset (27 check in s) 08:48 mtompset issues1+old_issues1 = issues2+old_issues2 08:48 mtompset YAY! The backup is good... 08:45 mtompset I think the packages instructions are good. :) 08:45 * mtompset is happy, "2 people followed without too much difficulty. 1 person confused." 08:44 sidd bye for now!!! 08:43 mtompset Glad to help. :) 08:43 mtompset hopefully no road blocks. 08:42 sidd thanks :) will now work on this one and be back as soon as i hit another roadblock ;) 08:42 mtompset maybe three. 08:42 mtompset 2 maybe there commands... (ignore the 3.4.x stuff) 08:42 mtompset see how easy upgrading will be. :) 08:42 mtompset Scroll down to the bottom.... 08:42 mtompset And because you installed from packages... 08:41 mtompset Congratulations on your brand new version. :) 08:41 mtompset Yes, very old version. 08:41 sidd 3.01..yes 08:41 mtompset Oh... 3.0.999 or something? 08:40 sidd infact had a live cd installatoin till yesterday when rangi told me it was too old and not really a good choice :) 08:40 sidd :) not expected from myself...overconfidence. else i'd have read the documentation again and realised it : 08:40 mtompset YAY! :) 08:39 mtompset A simple mistake. :) 08:39 mtompset Okay... good... 08:39 sidd thanks 08:39 sidd yes 08:39 sidd mtompset: i don't think i needed that 08:39 mtompset What you typed in was correct. 08:39 mtompset Oh... you were just using the wrong name. 08:38 mtompset Did you fix the apache file too? 08:38 mtompset Okay... wait a second. 08:37 sidd mtompset: yes, my bad. had the wrong name. changed it in the etc hosts file and it worked like a charm :) 08:37 mtompset Okay... so did you get the name you were expecting, sidd? 08:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script 08:36 wahanui well, mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. Bug 459. Old school, baby! 08:36 sidd hey mtompset. 08:36 mtompset Sorry, bad internet. 08:36 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 08:33 sidd you have mentioned that i have a few things messed up in my config. anything else i need to correct? 08:32 sidd mtompset: sorry, got a call. yes, nfal-intra works. thanks. somehow i got it in my head i had to use the machine's hostname 08:32 mtompset So, if my issues and old_issues tables are messed up... I've lost checkout and checkin information. 08:31 mtompset So I could add some of rangi's words of wisdom. ;) 08:31 mtompset As for the quote... I was trying to remember the syntax. 08:30 mtompset He said he'd check, but I haven't heard back from sidd yet. 08:30 mtompset turns out he got a couple things messed up in the configuration set up, but it should be easily fixed... once we know what he is expecting as the fully qualified domain name. 08:29 mtompset sidd was just trying to do an ubuntu 12.04 packages install, and got stuck on the web install step part. 08:28 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. Quote #218 added. 08:28 mtompset @quote add "rangi: ... graciousness never ever hurts." 08:28 huginn mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 08:28 mtompset @quote add "rangi: ... graciousness never ever hurts." 08:27 cait mtompset: ? 08:27 huginn mtompset: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 08:27 mtompset @quote get 123 08:26 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 08:26 huginn mtompset: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". 08:26 mtompset @get quote 123 08:25 mtompset sidd: Did I lose you? 08:25 mtompset [off] I think a paragraph break or two might be in order on that. 08:20 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails You must help me now! http://t.co/6WgX7ijp" 08:19 cait so both are veryimportant tables 08:19 cait the information ismoved to old_issues 08:19 cait when a book is returned 08:19 cait issues has the checked out books 08:18 mtompset cait: Do you know how the issues and old_issues tables are used? 08:17 cait hi mtompset 08:17 mtompset greetings, cait. 08:13 mtompset Yes, because it doesn't know that, it just went to the first definition of port 80 which is the OPAC. 08:13 sidd let me check 08:13 sidd i tried accessing it using koha.cameo.com. I think that was my mistake 08:11 mtompset Oh, so then what are you expecting it to be? 08:11 sidd ummm, no :( 08:10 mtompset [off] and the staff client at: nfal-intra.cameo.com? 08:09 mtompset [off] so you are expecting your site to be: nfal.cameo.com? 08:08 mtompset okay... 08:08 sidd i typed "koha-create --create-db nfal" 08:08 mtompset that's fine... what did you type? 08:08 sidd yes, though i skipped sudo as I am root 08:07 mtompset what did you type? 08:07 mtompset you typed a sudo koha-create command 08:07 mtompset (forgive the spelling) 08:07 mtompset in the intance creation step 08:07 mtompset -- wait... 08:07 sidd my etc hosts file? 08:06 mtompset next... 08:06 mtompset okay. 08:06 sidd done :) 08:06 pastebot "sidd" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my koha-sites.conf file" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/220 08:05 mtompset make sure to set the channel to #koha and your nick and a description too. :) 08:04 sidd ok 08:04 mtompset Please paste it at the url that wahanui just gave. 08:04 sidd i created the file, and did not change anything except the domain name 08:04 wahanui paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org 08:04 mtompset paste? 08:04 mtompset You created a /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file. 08:03 mtompset In the initial configuration step for the pre-web install. 08:03 sidd :) 08:03 mtompset Looking up information here.... so we're on the same page, literally. :) 08:02 sidd okay 08:02 mtompset Let's backtrack a little. 08:02 mtompset okay. 08:02 sidd and it is the maintenance page for the opac 08:02 sidd just that the admin page doesn't appear. whether i give koha.abc.com or koha-intra.abc.com or koha-intra.abc.com:80, the same page appears. 08:01 mtompset how are you trying to access your staff client/administrative page? 08:01 mtompset So, the question is... 08:01 mtompset good start. 08:01 mtompset Okay... 08:01 sidd i followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages step by step 08:00 sidd yes 12.04 08:00 mtompset follow? 08:00 mtompset And how did you install, what instructions did you fo 08:00 mtompset 12.04 08:00 sidd i think 12.01 something 07:59 sidd hi, was reading the documentation 07:54 mtompset sidd: are you still here? 07:52 mtompset sidd... you did an install on Ubuntu. Which version of ubuntu? How did you install it? 07:51 mtompset But let's see if I can help. 07:51 mtompset It is Sunday afternoon for me, so you aren't going to find many people here on the weekend. 07:46 sidd anyone there? 07:42 sidd hi, i just installed koha on ubuntu but am unable to see the admin page 07:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , items.materials check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl 07:16 mtompset Never mind... bug 8175 hasn't passed QA yet. 07:13 mtompset for version? 07:12 rangi not too bad, caught up on patches to push 07:12 mtompset How's your weekend going, rangi? 07:08 rangi cool, enough said then :) 07:05 mtompset I understand your drift. 07:04 rangi (words like dense etc) 07:04 mtompset Yes. 07:04 rangi nope, but either way, id appreciate it if we laid off the insults 06:58 mtompset Has Paul (a?) ever come to the IRC channel? 06:53 magnuse yeah chris_n++ 06:51 wahanui magnuse: I forgot hehe 06:51 magnuse wahanui: forget hehe 06:50 wahanui hmmm... hehe is np 06:50 magnuse hehe? 06:50 mtompset I'm glad I decided to come to the channel before hitting send. 06:50 mtompset Greetings, magnuse and rangi. 06:49 magnuse kia ora rangi! 06:44 rangi hi magnuse 06:43 * magnuse waves 06:11 mtompset Even I recanted of my do it from tarball ways, when I discovered the ease of packages. 06:02 mtompset I guess I won't email things like, "What knowledge? You ask for help and do the opposite. You aren't open to learning, and continue to ask for more help after doing it the opposite way. That doesn't seem like knowledge. That seems like foolishness." 06:00 mtompset chris_n++ # the reply was diplomatic. So much so that dense paul.a will never clue in. 05:49 mtompset I suppose jcamins_away's message is probably an answer to my question. 05:48 mtompset Anyone around? 05:48 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 05:14 rangi chris_n++ 05:14 rangi Yep that was very well written 03:43 Oak mtj++ 03:39 jcamins_away chris_n++ # he made that sound so diplomatic 02:38 rangi back 02:21 rangi [off] the idea has merit 01:18 drojf [off] going through the emails over time is hilarious. i'm tempted to put them all together to get a page count, also a score of "i need free help" vs. "let me try to help you" (vs. "blah"). maybe editing a complete editon and an anthology would be appropriate. 00:47 drojf oooh i'm missing the troll fun 00:26 rangi And now I'm really gone 00:25 rangi I shoulda said patches or cheques accepted 00:24 rangi 2012 the year of ridiculous demands of free software developers 00:23 rangi Hehe yeah he totally will answer something like that 00:11 mtj ah, he's gone… :/ 00:11 mtj hmmm, with the greatest of respect sir, i was merely stating that i thought ….