Time  Nick         Message
00:11 mtj          hmmm, with the greatest of respect sir, i was merely stating that i thought ….
00:11 mtj          ah, he's gone… :/
00:23 rangi        Hehe yeah he totally will answer something like that
00:24 rangi        2012 the year of ridiculous demands of free software developers
00:25 rangi        I shoulda said patches or cheques accepted
00:26 rangi        And now I'm really gone
00:47 drojf        oooh i'm missing the troll fun
01:18 drojf        [off] going through the emails over time is hilarious. i'm tempted to put them all together to get a page count, also a score of "i need free help" vs. "let me try to help you" (vs. "blah"). maybe editing a complete editon and an anthology would be appropriate.
02:21 rangi        [off] the idea has merit
02:38 rangi        back
03:39 jcamins_away chris_n++ # he made that sound so diplomatic
03:43 Oak          mtj++
05:14 rangi        Yep that was very well written
05:14 rangi        chris_n++
05:48 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
05:48 mtompset     Anyone around?
05:49 mtompset     I suppose jcamins_away's message is probably an answer to my question.
06:00 mtompset     chris_n++ # the reply was diplomatic. So much so that dense paul.a will never clue in.
06:02 mtompset     I guess I won't email things like, "What knowledge? You ask for help and do the opposite. You aren't open to learning, and continue to ask for more help after doing it the opposite way. That doesn't seem like knowledge. That seems like foolishness."
06:11 mtompset     Even I recanted of my do it from tarball ways, when I discovered the ease of packages.
06:43 * magnuse    waves
06:44 rangi        hi magnuse
06:49 magnuse      kia ora rangi!
06:50 mtompset     Greetings, magnuse and rangi.
06:50 mtompset     I'm glad I decided to come to the channel before hitting send.
06:50 magnuse      hehe?
06:50 wahanui      hmmm... hehe is np
06:51 magnuse      wahanui: forget hehe
06:51 wahanui      magnuse: I forgot hehe
06:53 magnuse      yeah chris_n++
06:58 mtompset     Has Paul (a?) ever come to the IRC channel?
07:04 rangi        nope, but either way, id appreciate it if we laid off the insults
07:04 mtompset     Yes.
07:04 rangi        (words like dense etc)
07:05 mtompset     I understand your drift.
07:08 rangi        cool, enough said then :)
07:12 mtompset     How's your weekend going, rangi?
07:12 rangi        not too bad, caught up on patches to push
07:13 mtompset     for version?
07:16 mtompset     Never mind... bug 8175 hasn't passed QA yet.
07:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , items.materials check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl
07:42 sidd         hi, i just installed koha on ubuntu but am unable to see the admin page
07:46 sidd         anyone there?
07:51 mtompset     It is Sunday afternoon for me, so you aren't going to find many people here on the weekend.
07:51 mtompset     But let's see if I can help.
07:52 mtompset     sidd... you did an install on Ubuntu. Which version of ubuntu? How did you install it?
07:54 mtompset     sidd: are you still here?
07:59 sidd         hi, was reading the documentation
08:00 sidd         i think 12.01 something
08:00 mtompset     12.04
08:00 mtompset     And how did you install, what instructions did you fo
08:00 mtompset     follow?
08:00 sidd         yes 12.04
08:01 sidd         i followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages step by step
08:01 mtompset     Okay...
08:01 mtompset     good start.
08:01 mtompset     So, the question is...
08:01 mtompset     how are you trying to access your staff client/administrative page?
08:02 sidd         just that the admin page doesn't appear. whether i give koha.abc.com or koha-intra.abc.com or koha-intra.abc.com:80, the same page appears.
08:02 sidd         and it is the maintenance page for the opac
08:02 mtompset     okay.
08:02 mtompset     Let's backtrack a little.
08:02 sidd         okay
08:03 mtompset     Looking up information here.... so we're on the same page, literally. :)
08:03 sidd         :)
08:03 mtompset     In the initial configuration step for the pre-web install.
08:04 mtompset     You created a /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file.
08:04 mtompset     paste?
08:04 wahanui      paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
08:04 sidd         i created the file, and did not change anything except the domain name
08:04 mtompset     Please paste it at the url that wahanui just gave.
08:04 sidd         ok
08:05 mtompset     make sure to set the channel to #koha and your nick and a description too. :)
08:06 pastebot     "sidd" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my koha-sites.conf file" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/220
08:06 sidd         done :)
08:06 mtompset     okay.
08:06 mtompset     next...
08:07 sidd         my etc hosts file?
08:07 mtompset     -- wait...
08:07 mtompset     in the intance creation step
08:07 mtompset     (forgive the spelling)
08:07 mtompset     you typed a sudo koha-create command
08:07 mtompset     what did you type?
08:08 sidd         yes, though i skipped sudo as I am root
08:08 mtompset     that's fine... what did you type?
08:08 sidd         i typed "koha-create --create-db nfal"
08:08 mtompset     okay...
08:09 mtompset     [off] so you are expecting your site to be: nfal.cameo.com?
08:10 mtompset     [off] and the staff client at: nfal-intra.cameo.com?
08:11 sidd         ummm, no :(
08:11 mtompset     Oh, so then what are you expecting it to be?
08:13 sidd         i tried accessing it using koha.cameo.com. I think that was my mistake
08:13 sidd         let me check
08:13 mtompset     Yes, because it doesn't know that, it just went to the first definition of port 80 which is the OPAC.
08:17 mtompset     greetings, cait.
08:17 cait         hi mtompset
08:18 mtompset     cait: Do you know how the issues and old_issues tables are used?
08:19 cait         issues has the checked out books
08:19 cait         when a book is returned
08:19 cait         the information ismoved to old_issues
08:19 cait         so both are veryimportant tables
08:20 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  You must help me now! http://t.co/6WgX7ijp"
08:25 mtompset     [off] I think a paragraph break or two might be in order on that.
08:25 mtompset     sidd: Did I lose you?
08:26 mtompset     @get quote 123
08:26 huginn       mtompset: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
08:26 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
08:27 mtompset     @quote get 123
08:27 huginn       mtompset: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
08:27 cait         mtompset: ?
08:28 mtompset     @quote add "rangi: ... graciousness never ever hurts."
08:28 huginn       mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
08:28 mtompset     @quote add "rangi: ... graciousness never ever hurts."
08:28 huginn       mtompset: The operation succeeded.  Quote #218 added.
08:29 mtompset     sidd was just trying to do an ubuntu 12.04 packages install, and got stuck on the web install step part.
08:30 mtompset     turns out he got a couple things messed up in the configuration set up, but it should be easily fixed... once we know what he is expecting as the fully qualified domain name.
08:30 mtompset     He said he'd check, but I haven't heard back from sidd yet.
08:31 mtompset     As for the quote... I was trying to remember the syntax.
08:31 mtompset     So I could add some of rangi's words of wisdom. ;)
08:32 mtompset     So, if my issues and old_issues tables are messed up... I've lost checkout and checkin information.
08:32 sidd         mtompset: sorry, got a call. yes, nfal-intra works. thanks. somehow i got it in my head i had to use the machine's hostname
08:33 sidd         you have mentioned that i have a few things messed up in my config. anything else i need to correct?
08:36 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
08:36 mtompset     Sorry, bad internet.
08:36 sidd         hey mtompset.
08:36 wahanui      well, mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. Bug 459. Old school, baby!
08:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script
08:37 mtompset     Okay... so did you get the name you were expecting, sidd?
08:37 sidd         mtompset: yes, my bad. had the wrong name. changed it in the etc hosts file and it worked like a charm :)
08:38 mtompset     Okay... wait a second.
08:38 mtompset     Did you fix the apache file too?
08:39 mtompset     Oh... you were just using the wrong name.
08:39 mtompset     What you typed in was correct.
08:39 sidd         mtompset: i don't think i needed that
08:39 sidd         yes
08:39 sidd         thanks
08:39 mtompset     Okay... good...
08:39 mtompset     A simple mistake. :)
08:40 mtompset     YAY! :)
08:40 sidd         :) not expected from myself...overconfidence. else i'd have read the documentation again and realised it :
08:40 sidd         infact had a live cd installatoin till yesterday when rangi told me it was too old and not really a good choice :)
08:41 mtompset     Oh... 3.0.999 or something?
08:41 sidd         3.01..yes
08:41 mtompset     Yes, very old version.
08:41 mtompset     Congratulations on your brand new version. :)
08:42 mtompset     And because you installed from packages...
08:42 mtompset     Scroll down to the bottom....
08:42 mtompset     see how easy upgrading will be. :)
08:42 mtompset     2 maybe there commands... (ignore the 3.4.x stuff)
08:42 mtompset     maybe three.
08:42 sidd         thanks :) will now work on this one and be back as soon as i hit another roadblock ;)
08:43 mtompset     hopefully no road blocks.
08:43 mtompset     Glad to help. :)
08:44 sidd         bye for now!!!
08:45 * mtompset   is happy, "2 people followed without too much difficulty. 1 person confused."
08:45 mtompset     I think the packages instructions are good. :)
08:48 mtompset     YAY! The backup is good...
08:48 mtompset     issues1+old_issues1 = issues2+old_issues2
08:50 mtompset     (27 check in s)
08:51 mtompset     Okay, you still here, cait?
08:51 cait         yes
08:51 mtompset     nothing bad would happen if zebraqueue records went missing, right?
08:53 cait         ?
08:53 cait         you trunating zebraqueue is fine, but you might want to do a complete reindex if you are not sure they were all done by the time you did that
08:53 mtompset     Okay, that's what I was thinking.
08:56 mtompset     Our server almost experienced a magnificent failure due to lack of drive space the other day. I'm just confirming the backups look good.
08:57 mtompset     Just wrote a script to do record counts on restored backups instead of doing a file diff on a mysqldump.
08:58 mtompset     action_logs, import_biblios, import_records, issues, old_issues, sessions, statistics, and zebraqueue differed.
08:59 mtompset     but since action_logs, import_biblios, and import_records are bigger on the current db. I'm going to assume all is well.
08:59 mtompset     I confirmed 27 checkins for the issues tables.
08:59 mtompset     I'm pretty sure there is a cronjob that cleans up old sessions.
09:00 mtompset     I'm confirming everything is indexed right now.
09:01 mtompset     statistics is larger, so I'm assuming all is well for that.
09:01 cait         larger now than before?
09:01 mtompset     Larger than a previous backup.
09:02 cait         ah
09:02 mtompset     That would be expected. And all is indexed.
09:02 sidd         mtompset: ih, am back :) i just created a library and I see there is concept of group here. Do I need to create it? The newbie guide doesn't talk about it.
09:03 mtompset     newbie guide?
09:03 wahanui      newbie guide is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide
09:03 mtompset     Is that what you are reading?
09:03 sidd         mtompset: yes
09:03 mtompset     manuals?
09:03 mtompset     manual?
09:03 wahanui      manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
09:04 cait         sidd: no, you don't have to :)
09:04 mtompset     That's more of cait's expertise than mine.
09:04 cait         sidd: as far as I know only search groups are functional right now and that is only interesting if you have a lot of branches and want to add some extra search functionality - and it can be always done later
09:04 mtompset     I'm just a Ubuntu developer. :)
09:05 sidd         cait: thanks
09:05 sidd         will go ahead from there.
09:05 mtompset     But you might want to save the manual URL. ;)
09:05 sidd         brb
09:05 sidd         mtompset: oh I already have it :)
09:05 sidd         was the first thing i did
09:06 mtompset     sidd++ # reading manual and wiki pages! :)
09:06 cait         sidd: where are you from? :)
09:06 sidd         :) the manual also talks about 3.10
09:06 sidd         is that later?
09:06 sidd         am from India
09:06 mtompset     3.10 will be released in November.
09:06 cait         3.8 is the current stable version, 3.10 will be the next release
09:06 mtompset     sidd: You aren't VKV are you?
09:07 sidd         and the manual is already here? that is so non-standard for the s/w world ;)
09:07 sidd         mtompset: no, don't think I am
09:07 mtompset     Vimal ... Sorry, he has a long name.
09:07 mtompset     That's why I used the initials.
09:08 sidd         mtompset: I understand. We do have long names when we do have them :0
09:08 mtompset     sidd: Where did you get that livecd from?
09:08 mtompset     (the seriously out of date one)
09:09 sidd         it was there on the web somewhere. and google shows it in the first page :(
09:09 mtompset     ah.
09:09 sidd         www.osslabs.biz/koha/livecd
09:09 sidd         mtompset: oh, I just found your VKV :)
09:10 sidd         vimal kumar v - he's creatd a live CD on ubuntu
09:10 mtompset     Yes.
09:10 mtompset     He's been posting on our mailing lists.
09:10 mtompset     And he is working on getting a newer live CD created.
09:10 sidd         great.
09:11 mtompset     hopefully he'll have found a good process before the time 3.10.0 comes out.
09:11 sidd         mtompset: live CDs are pretty easy in fedora. or atleast were till fedora core 1
09:12 mtompset     given that we have packages, which you have installed for debian-based OSes like Ubuntu and others...
09:12 sidd         yes, rpms make it easier i guess
09:12 mtompset     We're hoping to have the LiveCD in a debian-based OS, so that it installs to the hard drive as if you did the packages installation.
09:13 sidd         but good to know help is close :) is marc21 knowledge very important for koha?
09:13 sidd         i mean i have a small library and had never heard of marc 21 till a few weeks back
09:14 sidd         and I have movies with 2-3 cds each (INdian movies are traditionally 3 hours....)
09:14 sidd         so if I want to give only one out of the set, can I do that?
09:14 cait         sidd: you can get along without very deep knowledge of the standard
09:14 cait         it dpeends on your materials and what you want to do
09:14 * mtompset   nods.
09:14 sidd         and how should I create the item. Item creation shows framework that is marc 21 all through :(
09:15 mtompset     If you just want to grab the biblio records from some other z39.50 server to do quick data entry, I don't think you need to have to understand it much.
09:15 sidd         these are some of the questions I need answers for. Will this be the right place to aks them?
09:15 mtompset     Have you subscribed to the koha mailing list?
09:15 sidd         mtompset: data entry is ok, for around 2500 books, i can import it from my existing xls sheets
09:16 sidd         mtompset: no, haven't. will they be patient enough ;) :)
09:16 mtompset     If you email the koha mailing list, you have more chance of getting a response. Just don't expect answers immediately.
09:16 sidd         cait: is there a step by step guide (say how-tos) for common things done in koha?
09:16 mtompset     Remember this is all help provided for free.
09:17 mtompset     sidd: You might want to check out VKV's blog site.
09:17 sidd         mtompset: I know. I am an active member of the fedora chat room at freenode.
09:17 mtompset     Perhaps he links to a useful video or such.
09:17 sidd         mtompset: hmmm...will do that.
09:18 mtompset     I see he has linked to a lot of videos from one official Koha Service Provider.
09:20 sidd         looks good. will read his articles and see if they help me.
09:20 sidd         i'll be back...mwah ha ha ha... :)
09:37 mtompset     Hmmm... osslabs is a paid support provider for koha, but they have a 3.2 koha live cd.
09:50 drojf        chris_n++
09:50 drojf        good day #koha
09:52 mtompset     greetings, drojf.
09:54 drojf        hi mtompset
09:58 mtompset     So burn your eyes further, drojf?
09:59 cait         chris_n++ indeed
09:59 cait         hi drojf
09:59 drojf        heh. just from too little sleep, not the chili :)
09:59 drojf        hi cait
10:01 cait         :)
10:04 magnuse      kia ora #koha
10:07 drojf        hei magnuse
10:08 magnuse      hiya drojf and matts and cait and mtompset
10:08 mtompset     Greetings, magnuse.
10:08 mtompset     greetings, matts.
10:09 cait         hi magnuse :)
10:09 magnuse      \o/
10:11 mtompset     /o\
10:19 * magnuse    wanders off