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23:58 * rangi is out
23:56 rangi And deserves no more of our time than that
23:56 rangi He so far has done nothing but spread fud
23:56 rangi Hence my patches accepted mail
23:40 jcamins_away "Gee, this person who makes a living doing this stuff told me for free that I should follow path X, and that if I followed path Y it would cost more than my annual budget to persuade him to fix it... maybe I should do X."
23:36 jcamins_away A shame that people never take that into consideration when asking for free help.
23:33 * jcamins_away is available for hire. Though it is worth pointing out that my rates for fixing Koha installations performed *against* my recommendations are rather higher than my usual rates. 30 times higher.
23:32 mtj … please try to do better next time, thanks! :)
23:32 mtj …i just had a horrible time upgrading Koha, and everyone involved in Koha contributed to my poor experience :/
23:28 mtj oooh, i just bothered to read to the bottom...
23:26 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
23:26 jcamins_away @later tell mtompset Drop it. There is no point pursuing this conversation.
23:25 jcamins_away [off] Better not share the last line in the response that I am now deleting.
23:25 jcamins_away [off] An LTS implies that there will be security updates, right? If you don't update your system, you don't get them. In the Koha world, we give our updates numbers. It's the third number in the version. 3.8.5 = the sixth update to 3.8. Your proposal to only release an update once every six months would have people without security fixes 5/6 of the time.
23:24 jcamins_away [off] Most, I would wager. In developing countries, IT departments are something of a luxury. Even wealthy institutions in places like Afghanistan may not have an IT *person*, much less a department.
23:24 jcamins_away [off] At some point, most people want help with Koha. I can offer people advice on a system they installed using packages. If they followed the instructions, I know how it was set up. With the tarball... the results are slightly less predictable. Speaking for myself only, the only people whose unusual problems I can afford to troubleshoot are those people who are paying me. So I tell people to use packages, because I *want* to be able to help them.
23:22 jcamins_away :)
23:22 jcamins_away I'll be a better person for not having sent it.
23:21 mtj … with the greatest of respect, of course ;)
23:21 jcamins_away No, I'll feel better having written a response.
23:21 jcamins_away lol
23:21 mtj … just get some pop-corn, bro
23:20 jcamins_away lol
23:20 mtj -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0177971/
23:20 * jcamins_away is going to write the response then delete it.
23:20 mtj dude, dont even go there :/
23:19 jcamins_away I know I shouldn't.
23:19 jcamins_away can't.
23:19 jcamins_away I just...
23:19 jcamins_away I can't do it.
23:19 mtj wow, that should be a good one...
23:17 * jcamins_away struggles to resist responding to the troll.
20:01 cait hi #koha
19:30 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @NToddsPa: "Finished a stint at the library. Now a bit of relaxing before I become consumed with the current #kohails migration in VOKAL"
17:36 mib_obnqpp bye bye
17:36 mib_obnqpp greettings!
17:36 mib_obnqpp yes thank you
17:35 mustard if you ask and be patient for opensuse help on the mailing list there are people that will try to give some general help probably
17:35 mib_obnqpp :)
17:35 mib_obnqpp thank to alll
17:35 mib_obnqpp i will inform in the list koha-deb about my advance in koha
17:34 mib_obnqpp ok I try first in debian and then opensuse
17:34 mustard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD
17:33 mustard based on deb I think
17:33 mustard actually there are some live cd's out there already
17:33 mib_obnqpp also suse studio is the best to create live cd!!
17:32 ketchup And furthermore, Big Bill Windstead at computersupport.com is willing to do all the work
17:32 ketchup and there is a supported version, Suse, for those that want that.
17:32 ketchup Just my personal opinion here, but OpenSuse is a logical platform to support Koha on. Networking and sysadmin is so much better on OpenSuse than Debian,
17:31 * drojf is off to do weekendish non-computery things
17:30 mib_obnqpp debian squeeze or ubuntu 12.04
17:30 mib_obnqpp i got it!
17:30 jcamins_away And I only know of one person who uses Koha on OpenSuSE, so you wouldn't be able to get much help when you run into problems. :(
17:29 drojf we don't have rpm packages, because there is nobody who would maintain them
17:29 drojf that's the problem
17:29 drojf there are no packages for opensuse
17:29 mib_obnqpp rightnow i am lookup for the package and koha is in the opensuse 12.1 from yast2
17:28 drojf debian squeeze or ubuntu 12.04
17:27 mib_obnqpp ok what flavor of linux recommed it?
17:27 drojf mib_obnqpp: i had it run on opensuse ~2 years ago. it worked back then, but we switched to debian for the packages. they make life SO much easier
17:27 jcamins_away Debian or Ubuntu is your best bet.
17:27 wahanui it has been said that opensuse is not used by many developers, and will likely be difficult to get Koha working with.
17:27 jcamins_away opensuse?
17:27 jcamins_away OpenSUSE is not used by many developers, and will likely be difficult to get Koha working with.
17:26 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot opensuse
17:26 jcamins_away wahanui: forget opensuse
17:26 jcamins_away No.
17:26 jcamins_away drojf++ # the best advice by far
17:26 wahanui hmmm... opensuse is the one which is recommanded in our org
17:26 mib_obnqpp opensuse?
17:26 mib_obnqpp haha ok :)
17:26 drojf :)
17:26 drojf ^^ advice
17:26 wahanui i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
17:26 drojf packages?
17:26 mib_obnqpp mmm ok can you give me a advice?
17:25 jcamins_away Stop by if you have specific questions.
17:25 jcamins_away Good luck.
17:25 mib_obnqpp thank bro for the information
17:25 mib_obnqpp yeah that could be the best advice :)
17:25 jcamins_away In that case, your best bet is to install Koha and play around a bit. :)
17:24 jcamins_away Just checking.
17:24 jcamins_away Okay.
17:24 mib_obnqpp not only marc
17:24 mib_obnqpp yes!
17:24 jcamins_away Are you familiar with MARC?
17:23 jcamins_away The Zebra indexes store all the records, yes.
17:23 mib_obnqpp so zebra upload all the records? :O
17:23 mib_obnqpp Its understand how does it work i have some experience in NoSQL database
17:22 jcamins_away What are you trying to do?
17:22 jcamins_away Zebra returns the record.
17:22 jcamins_away Not exactly, no.
17:19 mib_obnqpp use zebra to data index and then use it to retrieval the location of book?
17:18 mib_obnqpp 2)retrieval the location of numer of book or something like this and then lookup into the table?
17:16 mib_obnqpp for example: i search history....... 1) go to zebra look for the word history
17:15 mib_obnqpp yeah and then use a variable to store the itembiik and lookup in the table?
17:14 jcamins_away Koha uses something called Zebra.
17:14 mib_obnqpp how the data is searched into database?
17:13 mib_obnqpp ok thank U, by the way
17:12 jcamins_away Could be.
17:10 mib_obnqpp i dont know what happend maybe is offline :(
17:09 mib_obnqpp yeah
17:09 * jcamins_away does not work for ByWater.
17:09 jcamins_away That may be.
17:09 mib_obnqpp yes if u try rightnow there is somethin wrong
17:08 jcamins_away I think you're supposed to login with the user "bywater" and password "bywater"
17:08 mib_obnqpp ok i understand
17:08 jcamins_away That's ByWater's demo. I don't use it.
17:08 jcamins_away I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but I think you're doing it the wrong way.
17:07 jcamins_away 2) records are added at the end of the table, but that knowledge won't help you at all.
17:07 mib_obnqpp Error: Invalid username or password
17:07 mib_obnqpp thank for answer, beside Official Website of Koha Library Software the demo 3.8, when I try to login: bywaterbywater
17:07 jcamins_away If that meets your needs, sure.
17:04 mib_obnqpp mmm ok if i could look into inventory too?
17:02 jcamins_away 1) you could look directly in the database, follow the direct link from the staged marc screen, or you could wait for Zebra to index, and search for the record using Zebra.
17:01 jcamins_away mib_obnqpp: it's a very quiet time, and I'm not particularly here, but here are some quick answers:
16:59 mib_obnqpp :)
16:59 mib_obnqpp thank you for Ur time
16:59 mib_obnqpp 2- If i only import only one record, in what position will be added? in the last of the table? or in the first row in the table?
16:57 mib_obnqpp how many ways I can check the data into database?
16:57 mib_obnqpp after I have migrated a data.marc into koha
16:56 mib_obnqpp hello
15:23 mtompset I'm quitting... memory low... Have a good 24 period. :)
15:08 mtompset is there some utility to diff mysqldumps?
15:07 mtompset hate what that happens.
15:07 mtompset ouch.
15:05 drojf i wonder what else is terribly hot because i touched it and only find out later. when rubbing my eyes…
15:04 drojf not unintentional. i knew i had not cleaned it yet but i did not expect it to be that much
15:03 jcamins drojf: was that intentional?
15:02 drojf mhh habanero. when just using the knife you cut chili with to slice some bread makes it really spicy
15:02 mtompset He sent a request, so I know his user name.
15:01 mtompset No.
14:58 drojf you are friends on facebook?
14:55 drojf still it would be nice to have people confirm volunteering for a lot of work. he might feel more pushed than he likes now
14:55 mtompset I sent him a facebook message that I did.
14:53 mtompset Well, as is quoted, VKV did offer to take that role.
14:51 mtompset Yes, I added it... I sent an email about that... but it got held up, bcause too many people on it.
14:50 drojf hm no mtompset did it. i would have preferred to give him the choice to do that himself…
14:49 drojf oh he really added himself to the wiki
14:45 jcamins I think it's a good idea.
14:44 drojf jcamins: as i said before, an official livecd manager would certainly look at the livecd section of bugzilla and address concerns. like "please make the installation feature use packages" and stuff :)
14:41 drojf ah, step by step of the livecd creation… i did not read it that way but would make sense
14:40 jcamins drojf: I think it means "can you provide some transparency so we know what you did?"
14:36 drojf what's a step by step livecd? it does not only need no installation but explains all the koha to you?
14:33 drojf i should have used white balsamic vinegar to have a nicer colour, but apart from that i'm ready to burn a few tongues with that stuff
13:54 mtompset Though the silent errors in circulation.pl are going to be a bit longer than usual. :(
13:54 mtompset Nice only "4" patches/bugs to go.
13:45 mtompset Well, that was nice and quick to put up.
13:43 jcamins Right.
13:43 mtompset Ah... so if I didn't put -e, it wouldn't show me?
13:43 jcamins If you don't put in -e, it will just attach.
13:42 jcamins That's what -e is for.
13:42 jcamins So you can obsolete old patches.
13:42 mtompset If it shows it, I want to check it.
13:42 mtompset Then why does it even show it?!
13:41 jcamins If you don't know that your commit message was correct, you shouldn't be uploading the patch to bugzilla.
13:41 jcamins What do you mean?
13:41 mtompset Well, it worked when I just :wq'd right away.
13:40 mtompset But 5 seconds isn't enough to check if it is right.
13:40 jcamins (and, yes it is)
13:40 jcamins Don't write a novel in your bz-only comments.
13:40 jcamins It's a limitation in Bugzilla.
13:39 mtompset That's dumb!
13:39 jcamins No.
13:39 mtompset you have to be kidding me, right?!
13:39 jcamins You have to save and close the file within 5 seconds.
13:39 jcamins No, you just waited too long.
13:38 mtompset It looked okay to me, but then it blew up... suggesting I hadn't entered a description.
13:37 mtompset when it pops up the file to edit for the git-bz.
13:37 jcamins What first uncommented line?
13:37 mtompset Did it mean the first uncommented line?
13:36 mtompset I think I did something wrong...
13:35 mtompset well, some of my patches apply back... but seeing as most of what I've patching are silent error log entries, it's no biggie.
13:34 jcamins Yeah, 3.6.x has pretty much shaken itself out.
13:32 mtompset Seems like the trickle of 3.6.x patches is slowing down.
13:26 * mtompset is listening to Herman's Hermits. :)
13:24 jcamins That's the commit you're attaching.
13:24 mtompset What's the HEAD for?
13:23 jcamins git-bz attach -e [bugnumber] HEAD
13:23 mtompset how do I attach my patch to a bug using git bz?
13:23 mtompset I've done a git commit...
13:23 mtompset okay...
13:21 mtompset (assuming you are conscious)
13:21 mtompset If you hold your horn for more than 10 seconds, your car blows up,.
13:20 jcamins Yeah, but it should *always* happen to people who lean on the horn for 30 seconds at 8am on a weekend.
13:20 mtompset Actually... forget a teleport... that requires new tech... blow the car up.
13:20 mtompset It would occur randomly anyways. :)
13:19 jcamins With a special setting for "on a 1-way street going the wrong way."
13:19 mtompset This teleport feature would also occur if you honk more than 10 times in a single minute, or hold the horn down longer than 10 seconds.
13:18 jcamins mtompset: ooh, nice! Even better!
13:18 mtompset You push the button, and the vehicle of your choise is teleported randomly within a 20km radius to some empty road.
13:18 jcamins When your friend comes back to New York in 25 years to celebrate his anniversary, and doesn't like the noise, though, he better know it's all his fault. :P
13:17 mtompset Nah... a teleporter.
13:04 drojf lol
13:04 jcamins Fine, it can be loud in Manhattan.
13:04 drojf a friend of mine has been to new york with his wife for their honeymoon like a week ago. he sent me a message about traffic and horn noises and expressed that to be exacly what he has been looking forward to, as kind of a trademark of new york (wasn't his first time there). think of the tourists, they seem to like the noise ;)
13:01 drojf lol
12:58 jcamins You know what would be great? A device that allows you to push a button and have A) the horn, and B) all the wheels disappear from any car that is driven by an overly-enthusiastic horn blower.
12:55 jcamins People have just been leaning on their horns.
12:55 jcamins Traffic is particularly bad this morning.
12:55 drojf and i will!
12:55 mtompset drojf: You can use any valid character in framework code. :P
12:54 drojf i can use a comma in the framework code? \o/ *runs off with shouts of joy*
12:52 huginn mtompset: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:52 mtompset @quote get 123
12:52 mtompset Shoot, what's that quote...
12:52 jcamins (in the frameworkcode)
12:51 jcamins mtompset: unless there's already a check for it, someone, somewhere has created a framework with a comma.
12:48 mtompset Though, I can't imagine people having thousands of frameworks.
12:48 mtompset But that's not really scalable.
12:47 mtompset No, the idea would be pass the existing frameworkcodes as a comma delimited list to the template, which would then pass it as a parameter to the javascript check function.
12:46 jcamins If that can be done without mangling the database, sure.
12:46 mtompset Yes, but if we have a check to prevent '', the check should be smart enough to complain about it, before generating an error.
12:45 jcamins Period.
12:45 jcamins It can't be duplicated.
12:45 jcamins It's a primary key.
12:45 mtompset I have an idea on how to fix that, but it is ugly. :(
12:34 mtompset Ah... didn't add it... duplicate primary key error log.
12:33 mtompset Now my second entry has gone into lala land.
12:33 mtompset And then... I put a single space but a different description.
12:32 mtompset However, i put a single space.
12:32 mtompset There is a check to prevent empty framework codes.
12:32 mtompset I keep finding more bugs while figure out a reasonable test plan.
12:31 mtompset This is why I hate making a test plan...
12:31 mtompset oh that's wrong.
12:29 mtompset I suppose I'll have to try to enter a blank framework code.
12:28 mtompset '' eq '' vs. undef eq ''
12:28 mtompset because that's a change in logic.
12:28 jcamins But I don't know, and as things to think about go, that's so far down on my list that that's my definitive answer.
12:27 mtompset If you can enter a blank one, then it won't work.
12:27 mtompset That would depend on how biblio_framework's frameworkcode works.
12:27 jcamins Probably.
12:27 mtompset And I'm trying to figure out if I can simply || q{} it.
12:26 mtompset Yes, but z3950_search.pl compares the frameworkcode from biblio_framework against a parameter frameworkcode.
12:26 jcamins Frameworks were just a terrible idea all around so I just ignore them.
12:25 jcamins I guess this is why we don't use foreign keys.
12:25 jcamins Maybe it can't be ''.
12:25 jcamins Hmm.
12:24 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Default biblio_framework table..." (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/218
12:24 jcamins No, it can still be ''.
12:24 jcamins Oh.
12:23 mtompset Yes, the entered one is normally '', what I'm talking about is the biblio_framework table.
12:21 jcamins The frameworkcode is _usually_ ''.
12:20 jcamins That is wrong.
12:20 jcamins No.
12:19 mtompset well, null or empty?
12:19 mtompset The frameworkcode in biblio_framework can't be null, right?
12:08 * mtompset laughs, "That's funny, drojf."
12:06 jcamins lol
12:06 drojf let
12:06 drojf lat myshkin sit on it for a while
12:03 mtompset put the butter out, fix a couple bugs... go back to the butter.
12:02 jcamins The muffin recipe I want to use calls for room temperature butter. :'(
11:57 * drojf is off to the kitchen
11:56 drojf like, old icon for results of search for 'opacbrowser', but new icon for search for 'opac browser'
11:55 drojf happens for results from Administration, Authorities, Circulation, Creators, Logs, OPAC, Patrons, Searching, Staff client. not for results from the others. and not if you have more than one search term
11:54 jcamins Yeah, that's something else.
11:54 jcamins Ohhh.
11:54 drojf but on top of that, this is only true for some of the tabs
11:53 drojf s/results if/results in/
11:53 drojf there seem to be two methods of displaying the results if the syspref search. either show the whole tab and jump to the syspref you searched for, or show only those sysprefs that match the search. in the former, you get the "old" icon (the one now used only in OPAC)
11:51 drojf only in parts of the syspref search
11:51 drojf my bug is different. it's in the english version
11:50 drojf heh
11:50 jcamins drojf: storage space. :P
11:50 drojf jcamins: why wouldn't you do both? :)
11:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Different favicon in the staff client only shows in the english templates
11:48 jcamins Bug 8473
11:47 jcamins I guess I could make both.
11:47 jcamins drojf: I'm also thinking of making apple bread.
11:47 drojf i think i checked the bug tracker, i can't find it
11:45 liw mtompset, some of us are delegated to the role of reading and eating
11:44 drojf jcamins: you should
11:44 mtompset Is everyone here a librarian, computer geek that cooks/bakes?
11:44 jcamins I'm thinking of making blueberry muffins.
11:42 drojf guess i should have checked the bug tracker first ;)
11:42 drojf replicate even
11:42 drojf ah. cool. i know how to repilcate it :)
11:41 jcamins But no one could replicate it.
11:41 jcamins drojf: BibLibre did a patch for that.
11:41 jcamins Very cannable.
11:41 jcamins Ah.
11:41 drojf mtompset: no the bug i found is not about custom icons but the default ones
11:40 drojf it's basically a mango chutney with habanero that gets puréed at the end
11:40 jcamins_away You're canning chili?
11:39 drojf jcamins_away: bread is done, cooking the chili sauce soon (after the jars are boiled off) :)
11:37 jcamins_away drojf: bread? Okay, then. :D
11:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8737 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Incorrect icon at login in staff client
11:37 mtompset bug 8737
11:37 mtompset I did a patch related to that. I think.
11:36 mtompset on login?
11:36 mtompset on logout?
11:36 mtompset Oh, drojf ... wrong favicon?
11:35 drojf i tried to look into the mystery of the wrong favicon. without much success
11:34 drojf learning the hard way ;)
11:29 mtompset Why? If you are a newbie perl programmer, I wouldn't be reading that for examples. ;)
11:26 drojf yup
11:26 mtompset You're reading admin/preferences.pl?
11:26 mtompset Hmm... that's an interesting thought.
11:22 mtompset So my %hash; or my %hash=();
11:21 mtompset Only if the hash was empty... sorry, got distracted.
11:05 drojf what if there were no key at all? would it skip the whole foreach?
11:04 drojf yes i knew about the sorting part, did not think of an empty key though. thanks
11:01 mtompset This is why people frequently sort them.
11:01 mtompset Because hashes don't always list in the same order you add pairs.
11:01 mtompset sorting the keys would still return ( '', 'key1', 'key2' ).
11:00 mtompset And even if it was my %hash = ( '' => 'Default', 'key2' => 'Key Value 2', 'key1' => 'Key Value 1' );
10:59 mtompset sort is a function that puts them in order.
10:59 mtompset keys is a function that would return ( '', 'key1', 'key2' ) in my above example.
10:59 drojf ah i see. thanks mtompset
10:54 mtompset Though, seeing a %$tab means that the hash was probably returned as a hash reference.
10:54 mtompset you can have my %hash = ( '' => 'Default', 'key1' => 'Key Value 1', 'key2' => 'Key Value 2' );
10:49 mtompset No.... there may be a key which is empty.
10:44 drojf ah, if there's nothing to sort in %$tab maybe?
10:40 drojf in foreach my $group, how could there not be ($group)? or is that just weird code?
10:39 drojf why would i have that if ($group) there?
10:39 drojf }
10:39 drojf if ( $group ) { # do stuff }
10:39 drojf foreach my $group ( sort keys %$tab ) {
10:39 drojf perl 101 question
10:12 mtompset funny?
10:10 cait funny
09:58 mtompset jquery, drojf?
09:50 Oak :)
09:50 drojf cait: do a syspref search for "opacbrowser". it loads the new icon first and then replaces it with the old. no idea where that comes from
09:48 mtompset Sounds like an Everly Brother's song.
09:48 mtompset I'll do my shopping in the rain? ;)
09:48 Oak greetings mtompset
09:47 Oak to wander off into the rain to do some shopping... that's poetic.
09:47 mtompset Greetigs, #koha.
09:46 Oak you did not ask much about it later though :)
09:46 Oak project report was subitted, and gave the viva voce, now it's all done. just waiting for the degree now.
09:46 cait Oak
09:45 Oak cait
09:45 Oak magnuse
09:45 cait skillful
09:42 drojf i can break the new favicon in the staff client
09:30 cait :)
09:30 * magnuse wanders off into the rain to do some shopping
09:29 magnuse i will - just dropped by
09:29 magnuse hiya cait
09:29 cait go and enjoy your weekend!
09:29 cait hi magnuse :)
09:28 magnuse Oak
08:14 cait yum ;)
08:10 drojf smells even
08:10 drojf wow that mango smeels delicious. almost to good to cook it
08:08 drojf :)
08:08 cait and send some here
08:08 cait drojf: cooking
08:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8850 trivial, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Can't place hold on title with ILS-DI
08:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8796 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , patron cards not starting on designated card
08:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8497 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Strange behavior when modifying the 'timeout' system preference.
08:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
08:07 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8850: Export CanItemBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services
08:07 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8850: Export CanBookBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services
08:07 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 8796 - patron cards not starting on designated card
08:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8379 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Encoding problem under Plack
08:07 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8497: Strange behavior when modifying the timeout system preference
08:07 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 8810 - Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
08:07 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8379 don't close dbh
08:07 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8379 removing another useless ->disconnect line
08:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #194: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/194/
08:07 drojf so, cooking habanero sauce and baking bread or staring at the screen in a lazy fashion?
08:07 rangi bbiab
08:06 drojf ok
08:06 rangi hm not sure, ill look on monday :)
08:05 drojf rangi: did you see my comment on the xslt icon bug? are you missing a very potent line of css somewhere or did i break it somehow?
08:05 cait kinda sad.
08:05 cait yeah
08:02 rangi yeah
08:01 drojf uh. well-patented. ugly
08:01 cait hm
08:00 drojf strange things are happening. 200 million euro for meego and HP seems to be hiring ~50 people for webos
08:00 drojf hi cait :)
07:59 cait hi drojf :)
07:59 rangi cait: https://lwn.net/Articles/518623/rss
07:58 rangi oh good point
07:57 drojf well… if we have a manager type of guy for that, i suppose there will be a bugtracker section for livecds where such concerns can be addressed :)
07:53 rangi i think i didnt really make that point
07:50 rangi = hundreds (if not thousands) of unpatched vulnerable systesm the next time a security bug is found
07:50 drojf yes i'd like that
07:50 rangi otherwise by lowering the barrier to install, but not lowering it for upgrade
07:50 rangi because then people could upgrade easily
07:49 rangi yeah, even better if its packages based
07:49 drojf not sure why he's insisting on it being on ubuntu as debian seems to work fine with remastersys and it's not very different systemwise but if he'd be actually keeping up with the releases that would be cool
07:46 rangi yep, we'll see, it's a lot of work, 2 cd's or so every month
07:45 drojf wow, i did not see that coming @ livecd manager
07:43 drojf hi rangi :)
07:42 rangi hi drojf
07:42 drojf good morning #koha
07:29 * cait cheers for jenkins
07:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #194 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:26 rangi ubuntu is ok
07:26 sidd thanks guys, I'll be back :)
07:25 sidd don't have debian though
07:25 sidd rangi: cait told me. I am going to format this machine and install ubuntu
07:25 rangi if you used ubuntu, or debian, with the packages, its very easy to install and update
07:25 sidd i'll write a good one about my experience so that some day some poor sod may get the right help :P
07:24 rangi but there's no way to go round the internet taking them down :)
07:24 sidd rangi: I agree with you.
07:24 rangi the problem is a lot of people have written 'guides' that actually tell people to do quite stupid things
07:23 rangi yeah thats not right
07:23 sidd rangi: not koha per se. I was trying to install what ever it said was missing. In fact, some where I read I will have to have a separate perl installatoin for this (forget what that technique is called)
07:23 rangi you must have been doing somethign with cpan
07:22 sidd cait: it is a dedicated machine i bought for this
07:22 rangi koha wont do that
07:22 sidd rangi :) i allowed it to upgrade/downgrade (don't remember which) some of my perl modules
07:21 rangi no, first person ever to manage to break perl, installing some perl scripts
07:21 cait sidd: are you running more web applications on that server you are trying to install koha on?
07:21 sidd rangi: you mean on fedora?
07:21 rangi wow, that's odd, you are the first one that has ever happened to :)
07:21 cait it's pretty straight forward and hopefully shouldn't break anything
07:21 cait maybe take a look here :)
07:20 wahanui packages is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
07:20 cait packages?
07:20 cait oh
07:20 sidd cait: thanks, that should be great. i tried evergreen in fedora - did not work. then koha broke my perl :(
07:19 cait with ubuntu you can use the packages I think - I have done that in the past to set up a dev environment
07:19 sidd where do i download the latest one from?
07:19 cait the latest is... 3.8.5
07:19 sidd uh, ok. I just received a ubuntu DVD. will try it there.
07:18 cait and welll documented
07:18 cait would it possible for you to do an instalation on debian or ubuntu? it's really very easy for those
07:18 sidd which is the latest one? I'll install it on fedora 17 (hope it supports that)
07:18 cait it's too old and will give you problems
07:18 sidd oh, ok
07:18 cait but you shouldn't be using that version relaly
07:18 cait live cds are difficult
07:18 sidd and in about it says Zebra 2.0.43 - seems to be installed
07:17 sidd cait: it never complained of zebra. how do i see the logs?
07:16 sidd am not so good with suse or ubuntu :(
07:16 sidd I use fedora most of the time and it is a pain to install it on that
07:16 sidd um, can I get a new version then? something that I can create a CD of and install?
07:16 rangi wow, that's an incredibly old version
07:16 sidd sorry 3.01.00.999
07:15 sidd 3.0.1. downloaded the cd from osslabs
07:14 cait which version of koha did you install and how?
07:14 cait it's most likely a zebra problem
07:14 sidd I have been through a few tutorials and followed them to a T but still don't get anything
07:13 sidd cait: thanks
07:12 cait sidd: you could start with the faq - it's a question asked often and there is a couple of reasons why that can be
07:12 wahanui i think faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
07:12 cait faq?
07:12 sidd am not able to see my books in the catalogue search
07:11 sidd hi, anyone there? am a newbie and need help
07:10 cait evening rangi
07:10 rangi hi cait
05:32 * mtompset saunters off for a nice weekend-afternoon nap.
04:59 mtompset GAH! Another person didn't put signed off in the attachment. And I forgot to read the status.
04:50 mtompset There we go.
04:49 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
04:49 mtompset @later tell khall Could you check out bug 8175?
04:48 mtompset I guess I have the wrong syntax.
04:48 mtompset @tell khall Could you check out bug 8175?
04:47 mtompset @tell khall later Could you check out bug 8175?
04:47 huginn mtompset: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling.
04:47 mtompset @tell later khall Could you check out bug 8175?
04:46 mtompset How can you find a 3.12 bug? Is there something newer than master?!
04:44 jcamins The RM Presumptive would find it very helpful.
04:44 jcamins Anyone who spots a 3.12-targeted bug is more than welcome to mark it as such.
04:43 * jcamins goes to sleep, having updated a bunch of bugs.
04:33 jcamins :P
04:32 mtompset "forewent" -- You speak erudite goodly. :P
04:31 jcamins I forewent the dried cranberries (don't have any), and since I started with quinoa cakes there were little lumps of quinoa rather than individual grains, but basically, yes.
04:31 mtompset Because that salad looks delicious.
04:30 mtompset Did it look like that?
04:30 jcamins Any kind of spinach goes well in quinoa cakes, though, I think.
04:30 mtompset http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TOH/Images/Photos/37/exps47003_THHC1785930D55B.jpg
04:29 jcamins It's more cost-effective than fresh spinach.
04:29 jcamins Just frozen spinach.
04:29 mtompset what spinach?
04:29 jcamins Yum!
04:29 * jcamins had salad with quinoa-spinach cakes crumbled over it.
04:28 jcamins A delicious snack, though.
04:28 jcamins It would be indeed.
04:28 mtompset it would be a pretty big snack then. ;)
04:28 jcamins Shouldn't it be a midnight snack?
04:27 mtompset breakfast, merienda/coffee break, brunch, lunch, merienda/coffee break, dinner, supper, tea, evening snack, midnight snack. :)
04:27 jcamins Hehe.
04:26 mtompset actually, I can understand why you call it supper, given the time-travelly nature of not-sleeping while crossing daily time boundaries, but perhaps that was breakfast (first meal of the day) too? ;)
04:13 jcamins But I finished dinner five minutes ago.
04:13 jcamins_away Yeah, it's 00:10.
04:13 jcamins_away EST.
04:13 mtompset Hey, what timezone are you in? Shouldn't you be sleeping about now, jcamins_away?
04:12 jcamins_away Or, I suppose, someone could have told it to ignore the subroutine redefinition warnings only.
04:11 jcamins_away Right.
04:10 mtompset Okay... should be there commented out with an explanation.
04:10 jcamins_away It should have stayed blissfully commented.
04:09 jcamins_away Well, uncommented.
04:09 jcamins_away Right.
04:09 mtompset Like someone inserted a "use warnings" that shouldn't be there?
04:09 jcamins_away Right.
04:09 mtompset You mean I shouldn't be getting those floody warnings?
04:08 mtompset Hey, this is a standard 3.8.5 packages install.
04:08 jcamins_away That's why that file is not "use warnings" safe.
04:08 jcamins_away What's odd is that you're getting the warnings.
04:07 jcamins_away Of course the subroutine was redefined.
04:07 jcamins_away Hehe.
04:07 mtompset Such floodiness.
04:07 mtompset All the October 4 error log entries are: additem.pl: Subroutine plugin redefined at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/value_builder/dateaccessioned.pl line 101.
04:06 * mtompset frowns.
04:06 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
04:06 * Oak waves
03:30 jcamins_away Fair enough.
03:26 mtompset I got my 20GB back... everything is good in the world. :)
03:25 mtompset Didn't ask.
03:24 jcamins_away Any explanation for the ffs filesystem?
03:21 mtompset I'm happy. Koha use is back to normal now. :)
03:21 mtompset So, the problem has been remedied now.
03:21 jcamins_away Right.
03:21 mtompset But across partitions... it actually does a cp and del.
03:20 mtompset The hosts sysadmin was doing a 'mv' of some folders.
03:20 jcamins_away What was it?
03:16 mtompset Disk space problem fixed. YAY!
03:16 mtompset Greetings!