Time  Nick           Message
03:16 mtompset       Greetings!
03:16 mtompset       Disk space problem fixed. YAY!
03:20 jcamins_away   What was it?
03:20 mtompset       The hosts sysadmin was doing a 'mv' of some folders.
03:21 mtompset       But across partitions... it actually does a cp and del.
03:21 jcamins_away   Right.
03:21 mtompset       So, the problem has been remedied now.
03:21 mtompset       I'm happy. Koha use is back to normal now. :)
03:24 jcamins_away   Any explanation for the ffs filesystem?
03:25 mtompset       Didn't ask.
03:26 mtompset       I got my 20GB back... everything is good in the world. :)
03:30 jcamins_away   Fair enough.
04:06 * Oak          waves
04:06 mtompset       Greetings, Oak.
04:06 * mtompset     frowns.
04:07 mtompset       All the October 4 error log entries are: additem.pl: Subroutine plugin redefined at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/value_builder/dateaccessioned.pl line 101.
04:07 mtompset       Such floodiness.
04:07 jcamins_away   Hehe.
04:07 jcamins_away   Of course the subroutine was redefined.
04:08 jcamins_away   What's odd is that you're getting the warnings.
04:08 jcamins_away   That's why that file is not "use warnings" safe.
04:08 mtompset       Hey, this is a standard 3.8.5 packages install.
04:09 mtompset       You mean I shouldn't be getting those floody warnings?
04:09 jcamins_away   Right.
04:09 mtompset       Like someone inserted a "use warnings" that shouldn't be there?
04:09 jcamins_away   Right.
04:09 jcamins_away   Well, uncommented.
04:10 jcamins_away   It should have stayed blissfully commented.
04:10 mtompset       Okay... should be there commented out with an explanation.
04:11 jcamins_away   Right.
04:12 jcamins_away   Or, I suppose, someone could have told it to ignore the subroutine redefinition warnings only.
04:13 mtompset       Hey, what timezone are you in? Shouldn't you be sleeping about now, jcamins_away?
04:13 jcamins_away   EST.
04:13 jcamins_away   Yeah, it's 00:10.
04:13 jcamins        But I finished dinner five minutes ago.
04:26 mtompset       actually, I can understand why you call it supper, given the time-travelly nature of not-sleeping while crossing daily time boundaries, but perhaps that was breakfast (first meal of the day) too? ;)
04:27 jcamins        Hehe.
04:27 mtompset       breakfast, merienda/coffee break, brunch, lunch, merienda/coffee break, dinner, supper, tea, evening snack, midnight snack. :)
04:28 jcamins        Shouldn't it be a midnight snack?
04:28 mtompset       it would be a pretty big snack then. ;)
04:28 jcamins        It would be indeed.
04:28 jcamins        A delicious snack, though.
04:29 * jcamins      had salad with quinoa-spinach cakes crumbled over it.
04:29 jcamins        Yum!
04:29 mtompset       what spinach?
04:29 jcamins        Just frozen spinach.
04:29 jcamins        It's more cost-effective than fresh spinach.
04:30 mtompset       http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TOH/Images/Photos/37/exps47003_THHC1785930D55B.jpg
04:30 jcamins        Any kind of spinach goes well in quinoa cakes, though, I think.
04:30 mtompset       Did it look like that?
04:31 mtompset       Because that salad looks delicious.
04:31 jcamins        I forewent the dried cranberries (don't have any), and since I started with quinoa cakes there were little lumps of quinoa rather than individual grains, but basically, yes.
04:32 mtompset       "forewent" -- You speak erudite goodly. :P
04:33 jcamins        :P
04:43 * jcamins      goes to sleep, having updated a bunch of bugs.
04:44 jcamins        Anyone who spots a 3.12-targeted bug is more than welcome to mark it as such.
04:44 jcamins        The RM Presumptive would find it very helpful.
04:46 mtompset       How can you find a 3.12 bug? Is there something newer than master?!
04:47 mtompset       @tell later khall Could you check out bug 8175?
04:47 huginn         mtompset: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling.
04:47 mtompset       @tell khall later Could you check out bug 8175?
04:48 mtompset       @tell khall Could you check out bug 8175?
04:48 mtompset       I guess I have the wrong syntax.
04:49 mtompset       @later tell khall Could you check out bug 8175?
04:49 huginn         mtompset: The operation succeeded.
04:50 mtompset       There we go.
04:59 mtompset       GAH! Another person didn't put signed off in the attachment. And I forgot to read the status.
05:32 * mtompset     saunters off for a nice weekend-afternoon nap.
07:10 rangi          hi cait
07:10 cait           evening rangi
07:11 sidd           hi, anyone there? am a newbie and need help
07:12 sidd           am not able to see my books in the catalogue search
07:12 cait           faq?
07:12 wahanui        i think faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
07:12 cait           sidd: you could start with the faq - it's a question asked often and there is a couple of reasons why that can be
07:13 sidd           cait: thanks
07:14 sidd           I have been through a few tutorials and followed them to a T but still don't get anything
07:14 cait           it's most likely a zebra problem
07:14 cait           which version of koha did you install and how?
07:15 sidd           3.0.1. downloaded the cd from osslabs
07:16 sidd           sorry 3.01.00.999
07:16 rangi          wow, that's an incredibly old version
07:16 sidd           um, can I get a new version then? something that I can create a CD of and install?
07:16 sidd           I use fedora most of the time and it is a pain to install it on that
07:16 sidd           am not so good with suse or ubuntu :(
07:17 sidd           cait: it never complained of zebra. how do i see the logs?
07:18 sidd           and in about it says Zebra 2.0.43 - seems to be installed
07:18 cait           live cds are difficult
07:18 cait           but you shouldn't be using that version relaly
07:18 sidd           oh, ok
07:18 cait           it's too old and will give you problems
07:18 sidd           which is the latest one? I'll install it on fedora 17 (hope it supports that)
07:18 cait           would it possible for you to do an instalation on debian or ubuntu? it's really very easy for those
07:18 cait           and welll documented
07:19 sidd           uh, ok. I just received a ubuntu DVD. will try it there.
07:19 cait           the latest is... 3.8.5
07:19 sidd           where do i download the latest one from?
07:19 cait           with ubuntu you can use the packages I think - I have done that in the past to set up a dev environment
07:20 sidd           cait: thanks, that should be great. i tried evergreen in fedora - did not work. then koha broke my perl :(
07:20 cait           oh
07:20 cait           packages?
07:20 wahanui        packages is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
07:21 cait           maybe take a look here :)
07:21 cait           it's pretty straight forward and hopefully shouldn't break anything
07:21 rangi          wow, that's odd, you are the first one that has ever happened to :)
07:21 sidd           rangi: you mean on fedora?
07:21 cait           sidd: are you running more web applications on that server you are trying to install koha on?
07:21 rangi          no, first person ever to manage to break perl, installing some perl scripts
07:22 sidd           rangi :) i allowed it to upgrade/downgrade (don't remember which) some of my perl modules
07:22 rangi          koha wont do that
07:22 sidd           cait: it is a dedicated machine i bought for this
07:23 rangi          you must have been doing somethign with cpan
07:23 sidd           rangi: not koha per se. I was trying to install what ever it said was missing. In fact, some where I read I will have to have a separate perl installatoin for this (forget what that technique is called)
07:23 rangi          yeah thats not right
07:24 rangi          the problem is a lot of people have written 'guides' that actually tell people to do quite stupid things
07:24 sidd           rangi: I agree with you.
07:24 rangi          but there's no way to go round the internet taking them down :)
07:25 sidd           i'll write a good one about my experience so that some day some poor sod may get the right help :P
07:25 rangi          if you used ubuntu, or debian, with the packages, its very easy to install and update
07:25 sidd           rangi: cait told me. I am going to format this machine and install ubuntu
07:25 sidd           don't have debian though
07:26 sidd           thanks guys, I'll be back :)
07:26 rangi          ubuntu is ok
07:28 jenkins_koha   Starting build #194 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:29 * cait         cheers for jenkins
07:42 drojf          good morning #koha
07:42 rangi          hi drojf
07:43 drojf          hi rangi :)
07:45 drojf          wow, i did not see that coming @ livecd manager
07:46 rangi          yep, we'll see, it's a lot of work, 2 cd's or so every month
07:49 drojf          not sure why he's insisting on it being on ubuntu as debian seems to work fine with remastersys and it's not very different systemwise but if he'd be actually keeping up with the releases that would be cool
07:49 rangi          yeah, even better if its packages based
07:50 rangi          because then people could upgrade easily
07:50 rangi          otherwise by lowering the barrier to install, but not lowering it for upgrade
07:50 drojf          yes i'd like that
07:50 rangi          = hundreds (if not thousands) of unpatched vulnerable systesm the next time a security bug is found
07:53 rangi          i think i didnt really make that point
07:57 drojf          well… if we have a manager type of guy for that, i suppose there will be a bugtracker section for livecds where such concerns can be addressed :)
07:58 rangi          oh good point
07:59 rangi          cait: https://lwn.net/Articles/518623/rss
07:59 cait           hi drojf :)
08:00 drojf          hi cait :)
08:00 drojf          strange things are happening. 200 million euro for meego and HP seems to be hiring ~50 people for webos
08:01 cait           hm
08:01 drojf          uh. well-patented. ugly
08:02 rangi          yeah
08:05 cait           yeah
08:05 cait           kinda sad.
08:05 drojf          rangi: did you see my comment on the xslt icon bug? are you missing a very potent line of css somewhere or did i break it somehow?
08:06 rangi          hm not sure, ill look on monday :)
08:06 drojf          ok
08:07 rangi          bbiab
08:07 drojf          so, cooking habanero sauce and baking bread or staring at the screen in a lazy fashion?
08:07 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #194: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/194/
08:07 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 8379 removing another useless ->disconnect line
08:07 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 8379 don't close dbh
08:07 jenkins_koha   * veron: Bug 8810 - Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
08:07 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8497: Strange behavior when modifying the timeout system preference
08:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8379 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Encoding problem under Plack
08:07 jenkins_koha   * veron: Bug 8796 - patron cards not starting on designated card
08:07 jenkins_koha   * julian.maurice: Bug 8850: Export CanBookBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services
08:07 jenkins_koha   * julian.maurice: Bug 8850: Export CanItemBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services
08:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
08:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8497 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Strange behavior when modifying the 'timeout' system preference.
08:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8796 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , patron cards not starting on designated card
08:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8850 trivial, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Can't place hold on title with ILS-DI
08:08 cait           drojf: cooking
08:08 cait           and send some here
08:08 drojf          :)
08:10 drojf          wow that mango smeels delicious. almost to good to cook it
08:10 drojf          smells even
08:14 cait           yum ;)
09:28 magnuse        Oak
09:29 cait           hi magnuse :)
09:29 cait           go and enjoy your weekend!
09:29 magnuse        hiya cait
09:29 magnuse        i will - just dropped by
09:30 * magnuse      wanders off into the rain to do some shopping
09:30 cait           :)
09:42 drojf          i can break the new favicon in the staff client
09:45 cait           skillful
09:45 Oak            magnuse
09:45 Oak            cait
09:46 cait           Oak
09:46 Oak            project report was subitted, and gave the viva voce, now it's all done. just waiting for the degree now.
09:46 Oak            you did not ask much about it later though :)
09:47 mtompset       Greetigs, #koha.
09:47 Oak            to wander off into the rain to do some shopping... that's poetic.
09:48 Oak            greetings mtompset
09:48 mtompset       I'll do my shopping in the rain? ;)
09:48 mtompset       Sounds like an Everly Brother's song.
09:50 drojf          cait: do a syspref search for "opacbrowser". it loads the new icon first and then replaces it with the old. no idea where that comes from
09:50 Oak            :)
09:58 mtompset       jquery, drojf?
10:10 cait           funny
10:12 mtompset       funny?
10:39 drojf          perl 101 question
10:39 drojf          foreach my $group ( sort keys %$tab ) {
10:39 drojf          if ( $group ) { # do stuff }
10:39 drojf          }
10:39 drojf          why would i have that if ($group) there?
10:40 drojf          in foreach my $group, how could there not be ($group)? or is that just weird code?
10:44 drojf          ah, if there's nothing to sort in %$tab maybe?
10:49 mtompset       No.... there may be a key which is empty.
10:54 mtompset       you can have my %hash = ( '' => 'Default', 'key1' => 'Key Value 1', 'key2' => 'Key Value 2' );
10:54 mtompset       Though, seeing a %$tab means that the hash was probably returned as a hash reference.
10:59 drojf          ah i see. thanks mtompset
10:59 mtompset       keys is a function that would return ( '', 'key1', 'key2' ) in my above example.
10:59 mtompset       sort is a function that puts them in order.
11:00 mtompset       And even if it was my %hash = ( '' => 'Default', 'key2' => 'Key Value 2', 'key1' => 'Key Value 1' );
11:01 mtompset       sorting the keys would still return ( '', 'key1', 'key2' ).
11:01 mtompset       Because hashes don't always list in the same order you add pairs.
11:01 mtompset       This is why people frequently sort them.
11:04 drojf          yes i knew about the sorting part, did not think of an empty key though. thanks
11:05 drojf          what if there were no key at all? would it skip the whole foreach?
11:21 mtompset       Only if the hash was empty... sorry, got distracted.
11:22 mtompset       So my %hash; or my %hash=();
11:26 mtompset       Hmm... that's an interesting thought.
11:26 mtompset       You're reading admin/preferences.pl?
11:26 drojf          yup
11:29 mtompset       Why? If you are a newbie perl programmer, I wouldn't be reading that for examples. ;)
11:34 drojf          learning the hard way ;)
11:35 drojf          i tried to look into the mystery of the wrong favicon. without much success
11:36 mtompset       Oh, drojf ... wrong favicon?
11:36 mtompset       on logout?
11:36 mtompset       on login?
11:37 mtompset       I did a patch related to that. I think.
11:37 mtompset       bug 8737
11:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8737 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Incorrect icon at login in staff client
11:37 jcamins_away   drojf: bread? Okay, then. :D
11:39 drojf          jcamins_away: bread is done, cooking the chili sauce soon (after the jars are boiled off) :)
11:40 jcamins_away   You're canning chili?
11:40 drojf          it's basically a mango chutney with habanero that gets puréed at the end
11:41 drojf          mtompset: no the bug i found is not about custom icons but the default ones
11:41 jcamins        Ah.
11:41 jcamins        Very cannable.
11:41 jcamins        drojf: BibLibre did a patch for that.
11:41 jcamins        But no one could replicate it.
11:42 drojf          ah. cool. i know how to repilcate it :)
11:42 drojf          replicate even
11:42 drojf          guess i should have checked the bug tracker first ;)
11:44 jcamins        I'm thinking of making blueberry muffins.
11:44 mtompset       Is everyone here a librarian, computer geek that cooks/bakes?
11:44 drojf          jcamins: you should
11:45 liw            mtompset, some of us are delegated to the role of reading and eating
11:47 drojf          i think i checked the bug tracker, i can't find it
11:47 jcamins        drojf: I'm also thinking of making apple bread.
11:47 jcamins        I guess I could make both.
11:48 jcamins        Bug 8473
11:48 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Different favicon in the staff client only shows in the english templates
11:50 drojf          jcamins: why wouldn't you do both? :)
11:50 jcamins        drojf: storage space. :P
11:50 drojf          heh
11:51 drojf          my bug is different. it's in the english version
11:51 drojf          only in parts of the syspref search
11:53 drojf          there seem to be two methods of displaying the results if the syspref search. either show the whole tab and jump to the syspref you searched for, or show only those sysprefs that match the search. in the former, you get the "old" icon (the one now used only in OPAC)
11:53 drojf          s/results if/results in/
11:54 drojf          but on top of that, this is only true for some of the tabs
11:54 jcamins        Ohhh.
11:54 jcamins        Yeah, that's something else.
11:55 drojf          happens for results from Administration, Authorities, Circulation, Creators, Logs, OPAC, Patrons, Searching, Staff client. not for results from the others. and not if you have more than one search term
11:56 drojf          like, old icon for results of search for 'opacbrowser', but new icon for search for 'opac browser'
11:57 * drojf        is off to the kitchen
12:02 jcamins        The muffin recipe I want to use calls for room temperature butter. :'(
12:03 mtompset       put the butter out, fix a couple bugs... go back to the butter.
12:06 drojf          lat myshkin sit on it for a while
12:06 drojf          let
12:06 jcamins        lol
12:08 * mtompset     laughs, "That's funny, drojf."
12:19 mtompset       The frameworkcode in biblio_framework can't be null, right?
12:19 mtompset       well, null or empty?
12:20 jcamins        No.
12:20 jcamins        That is wrong.
12:21 jcamins        The frameworkcode is _usually_ ''.
12:23 mtompset       Yes, the entered one is normally '', what I'm talking about is the biblio_framework table.
12:24 jcamins        Oh.
12:24 jcamins        No, it can still be ''.
12:24 pastebot       "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Default biblio_framework table..." (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/218
12:25 jcamins        Hmm.
12:25 jcamins        Maybe it can't be ''.
12:25 jcamins        I guess this is why we don't use foreign keys.
12:26 jcamins        Frameworks were just a terrible idea all around so I just ignore them.
12:26 mtompset       Yes, but z3950_search.pl compares the frameworkcode from biblio_framework against a parameter frameworkcode.
12:27 mtompset       And I'm trying to figure out if I can simply || q{} it.
12:27 jcamins        Probably.
12:27 mtompset       That would depend on how biblio_framework's frameworkcode works.
12:27 mtompset       If you can enter a blank one, then it won't work.
12:28 jcamins        But I don't know, and as things to think about go, that's so far down on my list that that's my definitive answer.
12:28 mtompset       because that's a change in logic.
12:28 mtompset       '' eq '' vs. undef eq ''
12:29 mtompset       I suppose I'll have to try to enter a blank framework code.
12:31 mtompset       oh that's wrong.
12:31 mtompset       This is why I hate making a test plan...
12:32 mtompset       I keep finding more bugs while figure out a reasonable test plan.
12:32 mtompset       There is a check to prevent empty framework codes.
12:32 mtompset       However, i put a single space.
12:33 mtompset       And then... I put a single space but a different description.
12:33 mtompset       Now my second entry has gone into lala land.
12:34 mtompset       Ah... didn't add it... duplicate primary key error log.
12:45 mtompset       I have an idea on how to fix that, but it is ugly. :(
12:45 jcamins        It's a primary key.
12:45 jcamins        It can't be duplicated.
12:45 jcamins        Period.
12:46 mtompset       Yes, but if we have a check to prevent '', the check should be smart enough to complain about it, before generating an error.
12:46 jcamins        If that can be done without mangling the database, sure.
12:47 mtompset       No, the idea would be pass the existing frameworkcodes as a comma delimited list to the template, which would then pass it as a parameter to the javascript check function.
12:48 mtompset       But that's not really scalable.
12:48 mtompset       Though, I can't imagine people having thousands of frameworks.
12:51 jcamins        mtompset: unless there's already a check for it, someone, somewhere has created a framework with a comma.
12:52 jcamins        (in the frameworkcode)
12:52 mtompset       Shoot, what's that quote...
12:52 mtompset       @quote get 123
12:52 huginn         mtompset: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:54 drojf          i can use a comma in the framework code? \o/ *runs off with shouts of joy*
12:55 mtompset       drojf: You can use any valid character in framework code. :P
12:55 drojf          and i will!
12:55 jcamins        Traffic is particularly bad this morning.
12:55 jcamins        People have just been leaning on their horns.
12:58 jcamins        You know what would be great? A device that allows you to push a button and have A) the horn, and B) all the wheels disappear from any car that is driven by an overly-enthusiastic horn blower.
13:01 drojf          lol
13:04 drojf          a friend of mine has been to new york with his wife for their honeymoon like a week ago. he sent me a message about traffic and horn noises and expressed that to be exacly what he has been looking forward to, as kind of a trademark of new york (wasn't his first time there). think of the tourists, they seem to like the noise ;)
13:04 jcamins        Fine, it can be loud in Manhattan.
13:04 drojf          lol
13:17 mtompset       Nah... a teleporter.
13:18 jcamins        When your friend comes back to New York in 25 years to celebrate his anniversary, and doesn't like the noise, though, he better know it's all his fault. :P
13:18 mtompset       You push the button, and the vehicle of your choise is teleported randomly within a 20km radius to some empty road.
13:18 jcamins        mtompset: ooh, nice! Even better!
13:19 mtompset       This teleport feature would also occur if you honk more than 10 times in a single minute, or hold the horn down longer than 10 seconds.
13:19 jcamins        With a special setting for "on a 1-way street going the wrong way."
13:20 mtompset       It would occur randomly anyways. :)
13:20 mtompset       Actually... forget a teleport... that requires new tech... blow the car up.
13:20 jcamins        Yeah, but it should *always* happen to people who lean on the horn for 30 seconds at 8am on a weekend.
13:21 mtompset       If you hold your horn for more than 10 seconds, your car blows up,.
13:21 mtompset       (assuming you are conscious)
13:23 mtompset       okay...
13:23 mtompset       I've done a git commit...
13:23 mtompset       how do I attach my patch to a bug using git bz?
13:23 jcamins        git-bz attach -e [bugnumber] HEAD
13:24 mtompset       What's the HEAD for?
13:24 jcamins        That's the commit you're attaching.
13:26 * mtompset     is listening to Herman's Hermits. :)
13:32 mtompset       Seems like the trickle of 3.6.x patches is slowing down.
13:34 jcamins        Yeah, 3.6.x has pretty much shaken itself out.
13:35 mtompset       well, some of my patches apply back... but seeing as most of what I've patching are silent error log entries, it's no biggie.
13:36 mtompset       I think I did something wrong...
13:37 mtompset       Did it mean the first uncommented line?
13:37 jcamins        What first uncommented line?
13:37 mtompset       when it pops up the file to edit for the git-bz.
13:38 mtompset       It looked okay to me, but then it blew up... suggesting I hadn't entered a description.
13:39 jcamins        No, you just waited too long.
13:39 jcamins        You have to save and close the file within 5 seconds.
13:39 mtompset       you have to be kidding me, right?!
13:39 jcamins        No.
13:39 mtompset       That's dumb!
13:40 jcamins        It's a limitation in Bugzilla.
13:40 jcamins        Don't write a novel in your bz-only comments.
13:40 jcamins        (and, yes it is)
13:40 mtompset       But 5 seconds isn't enough to check if it is right.
13:41 mtompset       Well, it worked when I just :wq'd right away.
13:41 jcamins        What do you mean?
13:41 jcamins        If you don't know that your commit message was correct, you shouldn't be uploading the patch to bugzilla.
13:42 mtompset       Then why does it even show it?!
13:42 mtompset       If it shows it, I want to check it.
13:42 jcamins        So you can obsolete old patches.
13:42 jcamins        That's what -e is for.
13:43 jcamins        If you don't put in -e, it will just attach.
13:43 mtompset       Ah... so if I didn't put -e, it wouldn't show me?
13:43 jcamins        Right.
13:45 mtompset       Well, that was nice and quick to put up.
13:54 mtompset       Nice only "4" patches/bugs to go.
13:54 mtompset       Though the silent errors in circulation.pl are going to be a bit longer than usual. :(
14:33 drojf          i should have used white balsamic vinegar to have a nicer colour, but apart from that i'm ready to burn a few tongues with that stuff
14:36 drojf          what's a step by step livecd? it does not only need no installation but explains all the koha to you?
14:40 jcamins        drojf: I think it means "can you provide some transparency so we know what you did?"
14:41 drojf          ah, step by step of the livecd creation… i did not read it that way but would make sense
14:44 drojf          jcamins: as i said before, an official livecd manager would certainly look at the livecd section of bugzilla and address concerns. like "please make the installation feature use packages" and stuff :)
14:45 jcamins        I think it's a good idea.
14:49 drojf          oh he really added himself to the wiki
14:50 drojf          hm no mtompset did it. i would have preferred to give him the choice to do that himself…
14:51 mtompset       Yes, I added it... I sent an email about that... but it got held up, bcause too many people on it.
14:53 mtompset       Well, as is quoted, VKV did offer to take that role.
14:55 mtompset       I sent him a facebook message that I did.
14:55 drojf          still it would be nice to have people confirm volunteering for a lot of work. he might feel more pushed than he likes now
14:58 drojf          you are friends on facebook?
15:01 mtompset       No.
15:02 mtompset       He sent a request, so I know his user name.
15:02 drojf          mhh habanero. when just using the knife you cut chili with to slice some bread makes it really spicy
15:03 jcamins        drojf: was that intentional?
15:04 drojf          not unintentional. i knew i had not cleaned it yet but i did not expect it to be that much
15:05 drojf          i wonder what else is terribly hot because i touched it and only find out later. when rubbing my eyes…
15:07 mtompset       ouch.
15:07 mtompset       hate what that happens.
15:08 mtompset       is there some utility to diff mysqldumps?
15:23 mtompset       I'm quitting... memory low... Have a good 24 period. :)
16:56 mib_obnqpp     hello
16:57 mib_obnqpp     after I have migrated a data.marc into koha
16:57 mib_obnqpp     how many ways I can check the data into database?
16:59 mib_obnqpp     2- If i only import only one record, in what position will be added? in the last of the table? or in the first row in the table?
16:59 mib_obnqpp     thank you for Ur time
16:59 mib_obnqpp     :)
17:01 jcamins_away   mib_obnqpp: it's a very quiet time, and I'm not particularly here, but here are some quick answers:
17:02 jcamins_away   1) you could look directly in the database, follow the direct link from the staged marc screen, or you could wait for Zebra to index, and search for the record using Zebra.
17:04 mib_obnqpp     mmm ok if i could look into inventory too?
17:07 jcamins_away   If that meets your needs, sure.
17:07 mib_obnqpp     thank for answer, beside  Official Website of Koha Library Software the demo 3.8, when I try to login: bywaterbywater
17:07 mib_obnqpp     Error: Invalid username or password
17:07 jcamins_away   2) records are added at the end of the table, but that knowledge won't help you at all.
17:08 jcamins_away   I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but I think you're doing it the wrong way.
17:08 jcamins_away   That's ByWater's demo. I don't use it.
17:08 mib_obnqpp     ok i understand
17:08 jcamins_away   I think you're supposed to login with the user "bywater" and password "bywater"
17:09 mib_obnqpp     yes if u try rightnow there is somethin wrong
17:09 jcamins_away   That may be.
17:09 * jcamins_away does not work for ByWater.
17:09 mib_obnqpp     yeah
17:10 mib_obnqpp     i dont know what happend maybe is offline :(
17:12 jcamins_away   Could be.
17:13 mib_obnqpp     ok thank U, by the way
17:14 mib_obnqpp     how the data is searched into database?
17:14 jcamins_away   Koha uses something called Zebra.
17:15 mib_obnqpp     yeah and then use a variable to store the itembiik and lookup in the table?
17:16 mib_obnqpp     for example: i search history.......  1) go to zebra look for the word history
17:18 mib_obnqpp     2)retrieval the location of numer of book or something like this and then lookup into the table?
17:19 mib_obnqpp     use zebra to data index and then use it to retrieval the location of book?
17:22 jcamins_away   Not exactly, no.
17:22 jcamins_away   Zebra returns the record.
17:22 jcamins_away   What are you trying to do?
17:23 mib_obnqpp     Its understand how does it work i have some experience in NoSQL database
17:23 mib_obnqpp     so zebra upload all the records? :O
17:23 jcamins_away   The Zebra indexes store all the records, yes.
17:24 jcamins_away   Are you familiar with MARC?
17:24 mib_obnqpp     yes!
17:24 mib_obnqpp     not only marc
17:24 jcamins_away   Okay.
17:24 jcamins_away   Just checking.
17:25 jcamins_away   In that case, your best bet is to install Koha and play around a bit. :)
17:25 mib_obnqpp     yeah that could be the best advice :)
17:25 mib_obnqpp     thank bro for the information
17:25 jcamins_away   Good luck.
17:25 jcamins_away   Stop by if you have specific questions.
17:26 mib_obnqpp     mmm ok can you give me a advice?
17:26 drojf          packages?
17:26 wahanui        i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
17:26 drojf          ^^ advice
17:26 drojf          :)
17:26 mib_obnqpp     haha ok :)
17:26 mib_obnqpp     opensuse?
17:26 wahanui        hmmm... opensuse is the one which is recommanded in our org
17:26 jcamins_away   drojf++ # the best advice by far
17:26 jcamins_away   No.
17:26 jcamins_away   wahanui: forget opensuse
17:26 wahanui        jcamins_away: I forgot opensuse
17:27 jcamins_away   OpenSUSE is not used by many developers, and will likely be difficult to get Koha working with.
17:27 jcamins_away   opensuse?
17:27 wahanui        it has been said that opensuse is not used by many developers, and will likely be difficult to get Koha working with.
17:27 jcamins_away   Debian or Ubuntu is your best bet.
17:27 drojf          mib_obnqpp: i had it run on opensuse ~2 years ago. it worked back then, but we switched to debian for the packages. they make life SO much easier
17:27 mib_obnqpp     ok what flavor of linux recommed it?
17:28 drojf          debian squeeze or ubuntu 12.04
17:29 mib_obnqpp     rightnow i am lookup for the package and koha is in the opensuse 12.1 from yast2
17:29 drojf          there are no packages for opensuse
17:29 drojf          that's the problem
17:29 drojf          we don't have rpm packages, because there is nobody who would maintain them
17:30 jcamins_away   And I only know of one person who uses Koha on OpenSuSE, so you wouldn't be able to get much help when you run into problems. :(
17:30 mib_obnqpp     i got it!
17:30 mib_obnqpp     debian squeeze or ubuntu 12.04
17:31 * drojf        is off to do weekendish non-computery things
17:32 ketchup        Just my personal opinion here, but OpenSuse is a logical platform to support Koha on. Networking and sysadmin is so much better on OpenSuse than Debian,
17:32 ketchup        and there is a supported version, Suse, for those that want that.
17:32 ketchup        And furthermore, Big Bill Windstead at computersupport.com is willing to do all the work
17:33 mib_obnqpp     also suse studio is the best to create live cd!!
17:33 mustard        actually there are some live cd's out there already
17:33 mustard        based on deb I think
17:34 mustard        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD
17:34 mib_obnqpp     ok I try first in debian and then opensuse
17:35 mib_obnqpp     i will inform in the list koha-deb about my advance in koha
17:35 mib_obnqpp     thank to alll
17:35 mib_obnqpp     :)
17:35 mustard        if you ask and be patient for opensuse help on the mailing list there are people that will try to give some general help probably
17:36 mib_obnqpp     yes thank you
17:36 mib_obnqpp     greettings!
17:36 mib_obnqpp     bye bye
19:30 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @NToddsPa: "Finished a stint at the library. Now a bit of relaxing before I become consumed with the current #kohails migration in VOKAL"
20:01 cait           hi #koha
23:17 * jcamins_away struggles to resist responding to the troll.
23:19 mtj            wow, that should be a good one...
23:19 jcamins_away   I can't do it.
23:19 jcamins_away   I just...
23:19 jcamins_away   can't.
23:19 jcamins_away   I know I shouldn't.
23:20 mtj            dude, dont even go there :/
23:20 * jcamins_away is going to write the response then delete it.
23:20 mtj            -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0177971/
23:20 jcamins_away   lol
23:21 mtj            … just get some pop-corn, bro
23:21 jcamins_away   lol
23:21 jcamins_away   No, I'll feel better having written a response.
23:21 mtj            … with the greatest of respect, of course ;)
23:22 jcamins_away   I'll be a better person for not having sent it.
23:22 jcamins_away   :)
23:24 jcamins_away   [off] At some point, most people want help with Koha. I can offer people advice on a system they installed using packages. If they followed the instructions, I know how it was set up. With the tarball... the results are slightly less predictable. Speaking for myself only, the only people whose unusual problems I can afford to troubleshoot are those people who are paying me. So I tell people to use packages, because I *want* to be able to help them.
23:24 jcamins_away   [off] Most, I would wager. In developing countries, IT departments are something of a luxury. Even wealthy institutions in places like Afghanistan may not have an IT *person*, much less a department.
23:25 jcamins_away   [off] An LTS implies that there will be security updates, right? If you don't update your system, you don't get them. In the Koha world, we give our updates numbers. It's the third number in the version. 3.8.5 = the sixth update to 3.8. Your proposal to only release an update once every six months would have people without security fixes 5/6 of the time.
23:25 jcamins_away   [off] Better not share the last line in the response that I am now deleting.
23:26 jcamins_away   @later tell mtompset Drop it. There is no point pursuing this conversation.
23:26 huginn         jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
23:28 mtj            oooh, i just bothered to read to the bottom...
23:32 mtj            …i just had a horrible time upgrading Koha, and everyone involved in Koha contributed to my poor experience :/
23:32 mtj            … please try to do better next time, thanks! :)
23:33 * jcamins_away is available for hire. Though it is worth pointing out that my rates for fixing Koha installations performed *against* my recommendations are rather higher than my usual rates. 30 times higher.
23:36 jcamins_away   A shame that people never take that into consideration when asking for free help.
23:40 jcamins_away   "Gee, this person who makes a living doing this stuff told me for free that I should follow path X, and that if I followed path Y it would cost more than my annual budget to persuade him to fix it... maybe I should do X."
23:56 rangi          Hence my patches accepted mail
23:56 rangi          He so far has done nothing but spread fud
23:56 rangi          And deserves no more of our time than that
23:58 * rangi        is out