Time  Nick          Message
21:31 talljoy       i'll just have to try it both ways and see which one works.
21:30 talljoy       yes, i'm just not sure if I symlink to the directory i used before or the matching one on koha-dev.
21:30 cait          assume it was moved, find it and redo the symlink?
21:29 talljoy       i'll just have to play around here and see if I can figure it out
21:29 talljoy       but in this 3.8.3 site, the file is not where i expect it in kohaclone.
21:29 talljoy       i'm working on a site to run the bib/auth linker and I have (for 3.8.1 sites) symlinked the files from kohaclone to koha-dev.
21:28 cait          I am not sure what you are looking for
21:28 cait          maybe it was moved tho
21:27 talljoy       thanks cait.  i struggle with git
21:26 cait          http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=history;f=etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/authority-zebra-indexdefs.xsl;h=631531633ab0740c23a6e31d5785e8248ba09500;hb=58827fb4fb8a21ec32f0d0ccce170a786309589f
21:26 cait          but I might be wrong
21:26 cait          hm it doesn't look lik eit was moved
21:25 cait          you could check in git why and if it was moved
21:23 talljoy       can someone verify that the location of this file: koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl moved from 3.8.1 to 3.8.3+??  used to be I could find it in kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities directory and now is in kohaclone/etc/zebradb/xsl directory
20:51 drojf         yeah i'd like some proof on that
20:50 drojf         heh
20:50 drojf         or FUD
20:50 jcamins       Sounds like FUD to me.
20:50 drojf         that's an interesting business model
20:50 drojf         "Researchers are purposefully placing bugs in open source software during the development stages, so that when code appears in completed products,  those same researchers can highlight the flaws and profit from them where companies are willing to pay, Anderson has told TechWeekEurope. He claimed to know of several projects where this has happened, but declined to name names." ( http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/zero-day-exploit-vulnerabilties-cyber-w
20:09 wizzyrea      you SURE you wanna get that started?
20:09 wizzyrea      lol re: thanksgiving
18:48 cait          :)
18:47 rangi         gonna have enough americans in wellington, we might have to do one here
18:42 rangi         thanks
18:42 jcamins       I should probably put that on my calendar.
18:42 senator       22 november
18:41 rangi         what date is american thanksgiving this year?
18:29 cait          ouch :(
18:26 rangi         it is, and thats not even the work account
18:25 jcamins       That's a lot of e-mail.
18:25 rangi         i sent 169
18:25 magnuse       time to make pizza!
18:25 magnuse       kia ora rangi!
18:25 rangi         4,388 emails that werent spam received to my bigballofwax account for september
18:24 wahanui       morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:24 jcamins       Morning.
18:23 rangi         morning
18:09 magnuse       ah
18:08 jcamins       magnuse: an easy question.
18:08 magnuse       gimmes?
18:05 seneca        heh
18:05 jcamins       Gimmes like that are always appreciated.
18:04 seneca        sorry to bug, but thanks for the compliments ;)
18:04 seneca        Well, I _did_ just build that server last night... I guess I just hadn't browsed to it from this browser yet...
18:04 jcamins       It's a problem that comes up with old browsers when the version of the cookie thingy changes.
18:04 seneca        anyway...
18:03 seneca        bizarre
18:03 seneca        yeah, that fixed it
18:03 seneca        hahah
18:03 jcamins       drojf: no, it has nothing to do with third-party servers.
18:03 drojf         no error for me, but given that i block about 6 third party servers maybe i am missing the fun :P
18:03 seneca        yeah, loading up in FF just fine...
18:03 seneca        ha!
18:02 jcamins       And tell your school district to upgrade their computers.
18:02 jcamins       Clear your cookies.
18:02 wahanui       weird is normal after a while :)
18:02 seneca        weird...
18:02 jcamins       Nope.
18:02 jcamins       Not anywhere obvious.
18:02 seneca        No "Byte order is not compatible at ..." ?
18:02 seneca        oh?
18:01 jcamins       There's no error message.
18:01 seneca        But I can't claim design on the error message ;P
18:01 seneca        ha, thanks. ;)
18:01 jcamins       However, it looks good. :)
18:01 * jcamins     had not seen it before.
18:00 seneca        yeah
18:00 jcamins       seneca: is that yours?
17:59 seneca        Anyone run across this before? http://libs.mvschool.com/
17:58 magnuse       yay - 5 passing tests now :-)
17:56 magnuse       i'll see if i can come up with any ideas as i try to write tests...
17:56 jcamins       Though, of course, testing the syspref UI would be highly problematic.
17:56 jcamins       Right.
17:56 magnuse       we'd need separate tests for testing the syspref and permissions ui
17:55 magnuse       yup
17:55 jcamins       If you're not testing the setting changing, why add to the complexity?
17:55 magnuse       yay
17:55 jcamins       I don't think so.
17:55 magnuse       but that might be cheating too much...
17:55 jcamins       Yeah, that would make sense.
17:55 magnuse       but avoid using the web ui for it
17:55 magnuse       i was thinking maybe we culd talk directly to the db for changing settings, or rather through C4::/Koha:: of course
17:54 jcamins       If we were 100% Plackified and DBIx::Classed, I suppose it actually wouldn't be so hard.
17:54 magnuse       instead of copying and pasting into x number of test files...
17:53 magnuse       and yeah, some very common tasks should probably be made easier
17:53 jcamins       Ah. Yeah, that's much trickier.
17:53 magnuse       and with different settings for sysprefs
17:53 magnuse       i'd like to easily test with different permissions
17:52 jcamins       magnuse: like for logging in, etc.?
17:52 magnuse       jcamins: i think we need some infrastructure for the mechanize tests
17:52 Oak           magnuse++
17:52 jcamins       :)
17:51 magnuse       i think i'm starting to get the hang of writing tests too - fun!
17:49 magnuse       true
17:48 jcamins       It's always a good time to write tests!
17:48 magnuse       on the other hand, it's a good time to write tests :-)
17:47 magnuse       should have thought twice about it before i decided what to use :-)
17:44 jcamins       No, not helpful.
17:44 jcamins       Heh.
17:44 magnuse       sign -> stream, deck -> sign
17:43 magnuse       i'm not making things easier for myself by changing names of things now
17:41 jcamins       Very cool!
17:40 jcamins       \o/
17:39 magnuse       jcamins: you can get a sneak peek here: http://kohawip.libriotech.no/
17:36 * jcamins     can't wait to see the digital signs. :)
17:36 jcamins       magnuse: still very good! :D
17:35 magnuse       it's just for the digital signs, so not very helpful until that feature is submitted
17:35 jcamins       magnuse++
17:34 * magnuse     tries his hand at writing tests with T:W:M
17:32 * jcamins     wishes he could call it a weekend at 13:30 on Friday.
17:31 * oleonard    waves good-weekend to everyone
17:25 mtompset      Have a good day, and for the religious, pray for our Koha system. :)
17:20 jcamins_lunch As is lunch.
17:20 jcamins_lunch Yes, that is a good thing.
17:20 jcamins_lunch Oh.
17:20 oleonard      I guess some people are celebrating lunch
17:20 magnuse       jenkins' success :-)
17:18 jcamins       What are we celebrating?
17:18 jcamins       magnuse: hooray!
17:18 magnuse       success! \o/
17:15 mtompset      We have a full database dump from 7 hours ago.
17:14 jcamins       BTW, if you haven't already you should take a backup of your database... it's liable to crash hard.
17:14 jcamins       mtompset: you could use ffsinfo, see if that gives you any information.
17:10 jcamins       oleonard: that is my recollection,  yes.
17:10 jcamins       This may explain the filesystem being full. UFS reserved a certain amount of space for root. 5%, I think. If that were mistuned... things would be bad.
17:09 oleonard      If you have  SearchMyLibraryFirst  turned on, does that only limit the quick search? One can choose to search other libraries via advanced search?
17:09 jcamins       I'm also surprised you managed to get it configured to use UFS in the first place.
17:08 jcamins       I am surprised it worked at all.
17:08 mtompset      So I have heard from my friend.
17:07 * oleonard    waves back to huginn
17:07 jcamins       Right... so far as I know UFS and Ubuntu don't get along too well, especially for boot volumes.
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8481 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Items table is showing in opac-MARCdetail.pl but not in MARCdetail.pl
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8850 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Can't place hold on title with ILS-DI
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8811 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , can't run report after saving
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8796 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , patron cards not starting on designated card
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8860 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , can't merge if you don't have fast cataloging permissions
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8497 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Strange behavior when modifying the 'timeout' system preference.
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8370 normal, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Default checkout, hold and return policy for all library => wrong term
17:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
17:07 jenkins_koha  * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8481: Items table is showing in opac-MARCdetail.pl but not in MARCdetail.pl
17:07 jenkins_koha  * julian.maurice: Bug 8850: Export CanItemBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services
17:07 jenkins_koha  * julian.maurice: Bug 8850: Export CanBookBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services
17:06 jenkins_koha  * mjr: circ/circulation.pl: force issuedate to a string to fix bug 8738
17:06 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 8811 - can't run report after saving
17:06 jenkins_koha  * veron: Bug 8796 - patron cards not starting on designated card
17:06 jenkins_koha  * kyle: Bug 8860 - can't merge if you don't have fast cataloging permissions
17:06 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
17:06 jenkins_koha  * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8497: Strange behavior when modifying the timeout system preference
17:06 jenkins_koha  * veron: Bug 8810 - Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
17:06 jenkins_koha  * jonathan.druart: Bug 8370: Change term issues (smart-rules)
17:06 jenkins_koha  * tomascohen: Bug 8233 - SolR-related /etc/ files break deb building
17:06 jenkins_koha  * nengard: Bug 7621: Follow up to clarify preference language
17:06 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #870: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/870/
17:06 mtompset      but our setup is most definately ubuntu.
17:06 mtompset      The host could be BSD for all I know.
17:05 jcamins       mtompset: ufs is a BSD file system.
17:05 mtompset      linux vserver, I believe.
17:05 mtompset      But the virtualization method/software is well... archaic.
17:04 mtompset      We're using Ubuntu.
17:04 magnuse       jcamins: soon, yes
17:04 mtompset      No.
17:04 mtompset      i've been chatting about this problem with my linux guru.
17:04 jcamins       mtompset: you're using *BSD?!?
17:04 mtompset      yes, ufs is strange.
17:03 pastebot      "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "mount points" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/217
17:03 jcamins       mtompset: paste the output of mount?
17:03 mtompset      whatever that is.. probably for pttys.
17:02 mtompset      and /dev/pts
17:02 mtompset      And dont forget /proc.
17:01 jcamins       magnuse: pizza? :)
17:01 jcamins       Well, two, since there is a /tmp
17:01 jcamins       mtompset: you only have one mount point?
17:00 mtompset      ARG. I hate waiting over the weekend.
17:00 mtompset      But I won't know that until Monday.
17:00 * magnuse     pokes his head in again
16:59 mtompset      That is, the way they virtualized is not your normal expectation.
16:59 wajasu        oh.
16:59 mtompset      It may be a virtualization issue on the hosting site.
16:59 mtompset      No.
16:58 wajasu        http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/find-large-files-linux/        use find.   then you can look at the owner/user, and maybe use fuser to see what process has it open.
16:57 wajasu        did you find the large file(s) yet?
16:56 wajasu        ok.
16:56 mtompset      I'll leave the obsoleting up to you. I'm a tad worried about our Koha system right now. There's some disk space problem that I'm trying to attend to at 12:53am! :P
16:55 wajasu        i mean thunk
16:54 wajasu        mtompset: well that fredic patch you moved.  I went to apply it to test it against master, and its already been done on master, so you might as well obsolete it.  who woulda thought. :)
16:29 drojf         "light" rain. yeah, right
16:28 huginn        drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Pankow, Weissensee, Germany is 15.4°C (6:25 PM CEST on October 05, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
16:28 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
16:27 drojf         i think i will use 59x or 69x. 655 is in use already. so many drawers, none is appropriate… MARC strikes again :P
16:23 jcamins       nengard: 521 is for rating like "suitable for ages 13+ on account of 70s hair styles."
16:23 nengard       lots of choices
16:23 nengard       hmmm
16:22 * jcamins     would probably use 655 or 695.
16:22 nengard       when i can edit the manual again?
16:22 nengard       should i change the manual to say 586 instead of 521?
16:22 drojf         lol
16:21 jcamins       :)
16:21 jcamins       "Awarded one star out of a possible five hundred."
16:21 jcamins       Yeah, but possibly pushing it for IMDB.
16:21 talljoy       586 seems better than 521
16:20 jcamins       Though that was my initial thought.
16:19 jcamins       drojf: agreed about the 586.
16:18 drojf         what would be a reasonable field to put in rating information (like '8/10') in marc21? is there something more appropriate than 500 or 59x that i am missing? 521 seems kind of off too and 586 might be a little much for an IMDB rating
16:14 abc123        thank you so much
16:14 abc123        i will check on that
16:14 abc123        i don't think we have one yet...or it has not been mentioned to me
16:13 jcamins       (though your support vendor might do that for you)
16:12 jcamins       I don't think you have any options other than resolve the conflict.
16:12 abc123        if you think of any other suggestions, i would really appreciate it
16:11 abc123        i am trying to document myself
16:11 abc123        i am still in the learning process....so this is kind of like a blow
16:09 abc123        i am so new to Koha!
16:09 abc123        i am kind of worried right now
16:09 abc123        i know
16:08 jcamins       I'd be concerned that you might have problems with authentication, though.
16:08 abc123        i will try that
16:08 jcamins       stash is the same as merge/rebase/whatever in that.
16:07 jcamins       Just the same as any other conflicts.
16:07 abc123        how do i resolve those conflicts?
16:07 jcamins       So first you should resolve the conflicts.
16:07 jcamins       However, you'd lose whatever changes you had.
16:07 Oak           on the documentation page root...
16:06 Oak           hm
16:06 nengard       might work
16:06 Oak           nengard, may be as a favor to Koha, in return we can add a thankyou note and a link to their website... mentioning their kind support?
16:06 abc123        that
16:06 abc123        i thought about taht
16:06 jcamins       The only way I know of to rescue it would be (AND DO NOT DO THIS!!!): git reset --hard && git fetch origin && git checkout -b utt3.8.x origin/3.8.x
16:05 abc123        i barely even worked on patches
16:05 abc123        i got this job in June and I did not make many changes
16:05 jcamins       Unfortunately, I have no idea how you could have gotten your index into a state like that.
16:03 abc123        i got the stuff above
16:03 abc123        root@Catalog-dev-test:/home/koha/kohaclone# git checkout -b stable-3.8.5 v3.08.0         5 fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches. Did you intend to checkout 'v3.08.05' which can not be resolved as commit?
16:03 abc123        when trying to change the version
16:02 abc123        <jcamins>: I really do not know what to do
16:02 jcamins       You did the git stash after you tried to merge in 3.8.5?
16:02 Oak           :)
16:02 abc123        fatal: git-write-tree: error building trees Cannot save the current index state
16:01 abc123        root@Catalog-dev-test:/# cd home/koha/kohaclone root@Catalog-dev-test:/home/koha/kohaclone# git stash save C4/Search.pm: needs merge C4/Search.pm: needs merge C4/Search.pm: unmerged (33a1d169b1f1f26ebc11fa7ac9fc6213ecdeffd2) C4/Search.pm: unmerged (c7860801b4b9da97edbbc5c26d52502d9687e438) C4/Search.pm: unmerged (6499f0a50e2e5fb5b8613c862bb7b17a62ff34e9) fata
16:01 abc123        i got this
16:01 nengard       I can contact oxygen and ask that question though
16:01 abc123        when i typed git stash save
16:01 nengard       Can you tell that I've been looking at this stuff all week before asking for help? :)
16:01 Oak           hmm.
16:01 Oak           ah.
16:01 nengard       so after a year what happens?
16:01 nengard       and it's a 1 year license
16:01 abc123        so, i ran into a problem
16:00 abc123        when i got the job
16:00 jcamins       Good. Switching to 3.8.5 is a good idea.
16:00 nengard       Oak, Oxygen does have an academic rate, but i'm not sure how to say we're doing it for academic reasons
16:00 abc123        this is what i inhereted
16:00 drojf         abc123: do you have local changes?
16:00 abc123        i know
16:00 abc123        so, i am trying to switch to 3.8.5
16:00 jcamins       You shouldn't run development versions.
15:59 abc123        which i know it's very unstable
15:59 Oak           may be we can ask them for a lower price nengard? https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-apps/201208/msg00057.html
15:59 abc123        right now our library is using Koha 3.09.00.013
15:59 abc123        thank you
15:59 jcamins       abc123: we can try.
15:58 abc123        i was wondering if anybody could help me with an issue related to git stash save
15:58 jenkins_koha  Starting build #870 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:57 abc123        hello
15:56 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @hbraum: "The Northeast Kansas Library System (NEKLS) in Lawrence, KS is hiring a new systems administrator: http://t.co/mF5eEIWS #kohails #wordpress"
15:54 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8481: Items table is showing in opac-MARCdetail.pl but not in MARCdetail.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f941dc341a25cd6110ed4e4d212ca9a094773297> / Bug 8850: Export CanItemBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0bd20db7baf330c808a197d5df107249408b664> / Bug 8850: Export CanBookBeReserved in C4::ILSDI::Services <http://git.k
15:54 * Oak         reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocBookEditors
15:50 mtompset      okay... 1% more, but still doesn't explain the huge discrepency.
15:48 jcamins       mtompset: /var/spool/koha
15:47 mtompset      quick question... where does koha dump it's backup?
15:43 jcamins       So there is hope. :)
15:43 jcamins       And it would've just been a few weeks ago.
15:43 Oak           there is a guy with nick oksushi on #css (freenode) who knows a lot about stuff. may be he will know about this, not sure. he is not around at the moment, if i see him i'll ask.
15:42 jcamins       Right.
15:42 nengard       okay I'll keep looking
15:42 nengard       I see you found it in the past
15:42 nengard       oh!
15:42 jcamins       I seem to remember it being somewhere completely illogical on their web page.
15:42 wahanui       link is right, but the website is gone, apparently
15:42 nengard       link?
15:42 jcamins       nengard: I think I found a free version of Serna. I'm not sure, though, and am not at home.
15:41 nengard       :(
15:41 nengard       work
15:41 nengard       and then I did try Vex, but can't get it to wrok
15:41 Oak           hmm. i see.
15:41 nengard       Serna and XXE for example
15:41 nengard       most of the ones they say are free aren't anymore
15:41 nengard       Oak, I have read that already
15:40 Oak           nengard, I just read that, may be it will be of some use: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/55622/best-tools-for-working-with-docbook-xml-documents
15:36 jcamins       On the disk?
15:36 jcamins       A memory leak... taking up space?
15:36 mtompset      I'm hoping it is a memory leak or something.
15:36 mtompset      i'm doing a system reboot.
15:35 jcamins       mtompset: oh, then I have no idea what that could mean.
15:35 mtompset      I was running as root.
15:35 mtompset      Why would a sudo make any difference?
15:35 gaetan_B      bye !
15:31 jcamins       Run it again with sudo.
15:31 pastebot      "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Totally whack numbers." (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/216
15:29 mtompset      This is seriously whack... pasting
15:26 jcamins       Oh, might need to use sudo.
15:26 jcamins       That will tell you where the diskspace is getting used.
15:26 jcamins       Run `du -h --max-depth=0 /* 2> /dev/null`
15:25 jcamins       Or something else?
15:25 jcamins       Or on /var?
15:25 jcamins       On /?
15:25 mtompset      less than 1GB free.
15:24 jcamins       mtompset: what does df -h say?
15:24 mtompset      It only shows 4438180 for .
15:24 mtompset      I just did a "du | sort -n"
15:22 mtompset      It's a VM.
15:21 jcamins       25GB? Where did you find a 25GB drive?
15:21 mtompset      There should be a good 10+GB free.
15:21 mtompset      And it ONLY has Koha.
15:21 mtompset      25GB
15:21 jcamins       mtompset: how much diskspace did it have?
15:21 mtompset      Shoot! Our Koha server just somehow ran out of diskspace!
15:07 reiveune1     bye
15:01 kf            bye all and a nice weekend!
14:52 wajasu        yes.  give me a minute. i'm testing 8849
14:50 mtompset      wajasu: Could you check that I didn't mess up the patch transfer?
14:45 jcamins       Right. It's Friday. I won't do anything involving bugzilla, other than possibly telling other people to do things for me.
14:42 wajasu        :)
14:42 mtompset      Ah... no.. you mean "-I" as in the option.
14:41 mtompset      Okay, so you'll move the patch from 8849 to 7595, jcamins?
14:39 jcamins       To test: perl -I '/home/jcamins/perl' -e 'print join("\n", @INC) . "\n";'
14:38 jcamins       -I will do it.
14:38 mtompset      Let's see if I can figure out how to do that without patching it up.
14:38 mtompset      Okay...
14:38 mtompset      7595
14:37 drojf         the actual goal is to use HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath with tags that are not defined in HTML::Tagset by default
14:37 wajasu        mtompset: you put back the unrelated perlcritic bug on 8849.  since 8849 is targeted for rel 3.8,  and we don't risk perlcritic fixes on production releases, maybe you can move that perlcritic fix to 7595, so when QA tests Account.pm, they can apply it then.
14:35 drojf         jcamins: i tried adding some tags to HTML::Tagset but i would rather play with a local version and leave the one installed as it is
14:34 wahanui       "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
14:34 jcamins       drojf: the first question?
14:33 khall         but I think it's added at the end, so it probably won't use the once defined in that path
14:33 khall         you  can use 'perl -I /path/to/lib' to add a path to @INC
14:32 drojf         can i force to 'use' a local version of a .pm in a perl script?
14:27 jcamins       tcohen: glad they help. :)
14:27 tcohen        jcamins, nice to see those reprepro files
14:25 jcamins       I warned you.
14:25 mtompset      several levels of non-obvious.
14:24 mtompset      ah, okay... very not obvious.
14:24 khall         yeah, you can also change the description there too.
14:23 jcamins       It's non-obvious.
14:23 jcamins       mtompset: you can change it in Bugzilla by viewing the patch and editing it, and unchecking the "obsolete" box.
14:22 khall         also added [SIGNED-OFF] to the description if you can. I try to, but I only remember to about half the time.
14:22 mtompset      If a patch has been obsoleted, how do you bring it back?
14:22 khall         mtompset, you'll see a list patches at the bottom, just uncomment the ones that should be obsoleted
14:21 jcamins       mtompset: only if you tell it to.
14:21 mtompset      does git bz obsolete all patches on a bug?
14:20 khall         jcamins, I didn't think to test pre-patch. My bad.
14:20 jcamins       Even using Russian, Hebrew, and Arabic authorities I couldn't get it to mis-render.
14:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8875 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Signed Off , Cataloging authorithy search plugin displays badly accented characters
14:19 jcamins       khall: how did you replicate bug 8875?
14:18 mtompset      I remember that conversation. :)
14:18 huginn        mtompset: fredericd was last seen in #koha 1 day, 2 hours, 12 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <fredericd> I have to ask authorization. Or create some myself, which is another story
14:18 mtompset      @seen fredericd
14:17 wajasu        thats pushed, and its for 3.8, so it would be best to fine a patch for Account.pm thats not signed off
14:17 mtompset      No...
14:17 mtompset      Now... that attachment got obsoleted.
14:16 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8739 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly
14:16 wajasu        oh good
14:16 mtompset      I wonder if he moved it back to bug 8739?
14:15 mtompset      Hmmm... fredericd's attachment on that has gone missing?
14:15 wajasu        plus i believe the second attachment is misplaced.
14:14 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Error log generated when not a demo system
14:14 jcamins       bug 8849
14:13 wajasu        ok. i was only reading comment #3 in 8849 so it made me wonder
14:12 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P1 - high, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
14:12 jcamins       Bug 6679 is not getting backported.
14:12 kf            oleonard++ form me too :)
14:12 huginn        jcamins: No results for "pbp."
14:12 huginn        jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC
14:12 huginn        jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
14:12 huginn        jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7520 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, In Discussion , json script to return advanced search types
14:12 huginn        jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P1 - high, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
14:11 huginn        jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts
14:11 jcamins       @query pbp
14:11 jcamins       @query perlcritic
14:11 wajasu        ok.
14:11 jcamins       wajasu: we only do perlcritic fixes for master.
14:10 * wajasu      wonders if when we do perlcritic adjustments, that we only do them for master.  i am not sure its worth the risk for things in production, and time will take care of older versions
14:09 magnuse       yeah!
14:09 jcamins       khall: it might. I don't entirely remember, I just remember that being something we discussed as an issue.
14:09 khall         oleonard++, all hail the ui king ; )
14:09 magnuse       oleonard++
14:08 khall         jcamins, I'd swear it already did that. Maybe my memory is rose-colored.
14:08 jcamins       oleonard++ # nice!
14:08 oleonard      Bootstrap popup and menu for Cart and Lists: http://screencast.com/t/ZVvXUSNslq
14:08 jcamins       (though the fact that it doesn't work anymore would obviously have to be addressed first;)
14:07 jcamins       I think one refinement it would need is to not mark patches as "Does not apply" when conflicts are only in sysprefs.sql and updatedatabase.sql.
14:07 khall         heh, that's no good! I'd love to see it back up an running, that was a very useful service.
14:06 jcamins       khall: something changed about the way... something... was set up, and it was marking everything as "does not apply," I think.
14:05 khall         were there problems with it?
14:05 jcamins       khall: it does not, no.
14:05 khall         does pauls automatic test script still run that checks to see if patches still apply? I'd swear every patch I'm really interested in testing doesn't apply!
14:05 jcamins       Hello.
14:04 oleonard      Hi jcamins
13:52 mtompset      Another liveCD to burn, drojf. ;)
13:48 kf            no, but I got another phone call interested in your workshop thingy
13:48 magnuse       mtompset: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-remote.html <-- might be worth a look
13:48 kf            drojf: :P
13:48 wajasu        fredericd: are you around?
13:48 drojf         video tutorial done?
13:47 drojf         kf: yup
13:47 oleonard      mtompset: git remote add [your local name for repo_b] <url>
13:47 kf            right wahanui
13:47 wahanui       here is where I work
13:47 kf            drojf: here?
13:46 mtompset      how do you check out repo B as a branch? git checkout -b REPO_B <url>?
13:45 oleonard      As long as you're on that branch you're running repo B's version
13:45 oleonard      You just check out repo B into a new branch mtompset
13:44 wajasu        when did percritic adjustments start? 3.6, 3.8 or after?
13:44 mtompset      is there an easy way to switch git repos without doing a git clone over?\
13:44 mtompset      then I found out that repo B's git-bz is newer.
13:44 mtompset      let's say I clone repo A's git-bz.
13:43 mtompset      okay... here's a git question...
13:43 mtompset      I remember what magnuse vaguely said, but I can't say I recalled that, oleonard.
13:43 oleonard      I'm running git-bz off jcamins_away's repo at the moment, assuming it's the most up to date
13:42 oleonard      And jcamins_away did something to allow you to set the bug status at the same time, and he incorporated mtj's feature
13:42 magnuse       yeah, mtj did something about sending patches to the mailinglist, i think
13:40 mtompset      Perhaps I'll blame mtj for it. ;)
13:40 mtompset      -- wasn't there another git-bz update recently?
13:39 mtompset      "slef's self-authenticating patched version of rangi's patched version git://gitorious.org/git-bz/git-bz.git, which fixes a bug in the official version. FIXME: when his patch is incorporated into upstream git-bz, update this link)"
13:38 khall         mtompset: if you want to do so, I'd check out http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
13:38 drojf         :)
13:38 drojf         mtompset: it's easy with git bz :9
13:38 * mtompset    feels like a newbie still.
13:37 mtompset      And sorry, khall, I've never done a sign off, so I don't know how.
13:37 mtompset      khall++
13:30 wajasu        khall++
13:20 drojf         khall++
13:09 magnuse       i think
13:09 magnuse       mtompset: jcamins_away decides what goes in 3.6.x - if the general patch does not apply he will ask for a special one for 3.6.x
13:08 mtompset      We're just over one month away from 3.10.x
13:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6030 enhancement, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Signed Off , Allow for html in letters in overdue notices
13:08 magnuse       khall++ for signing off bug 6030
13:08 mtompset      Should I generate patches for 3.6.x anymore?
13:07 mtompset      oleonard: That's a scary job description. Lots to support.
13:04 mtompset      drojf: That's what I suggested to him.
13:04 magnuse       drojf: yeah, perl is good for a lot of things
13:03 oleonard      (does the job actually come with shoes?)
13:02 oleonard      (don't know about the actual shoes)
13:02 oleonard      (metaphorically speaking)
13:02 oleonard      NEKLS has some very large and fancy shoes to fill
13:02 drojf         it's a very fancy way to procrastinate also
13:01 drojf         i should really learn some of the perl stuff ;)
13:00 drojf         so i can create a marcxml file using MARC::Record and MARC::File::XML and 20 lines of code instead of printing it out line by line with 100 lines. witchcraft.
13:00 magnuse       yay!
12:59 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "NEKLS (a ByWater partner) is hiring a new sys admin : http://t.co/caYJ68hE experience with #kohails a plus!"
12:58 drojf         ok. he should add himself as candidate for livecd manager ;)
12:58 drojf         vimal. i think
12:57 mtompset      V... have to look it up... I know it isn't Vil, because jcamins_away corrected me last time. :P
12:56 drojf         mtompset: which one of all the livecd people? :)
12:55 kf            mveron++ :)
12:55 drojf         mveron++
12:55 kf            use git am -iu3
12:55 kf            if you don't use git-bz
12:55 mtompset      by the way, I made sure the LiveCD/DVD guy knew about the time of the IRC meeting.
12:55 mtompset      And hopefully, over the weekend... all that will be done, and I can have a breather and figure out git bz.
12:54 mtompset      And they haven't... but I haven't gotten my fixes patched up yet.
12:54 mtompset      I think I have seen them before, yes.
12:53 mtompset      (had to make Rangi happy)
12:53 mtompset      -- warnings. :)
12:53 drojf         mtompset: i suppose the -interactive -3 things work without git bz
12:53 mtompset      No, the patches will slow down when my librarian colleagues don't trigger errors. :)
12:53 oleonard      But if you use git bz your patches will speed up!
12:52 mtompset      I'll learn it when my patches slow down. :P
12:52 mtompset      I haven't ever used git bz yet...
12:52 mtompset      git am ....
12:52 drojf         mtompset: ^^
12:52 kf            ^^
12:52 drojf         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#testing_with_-3_flag_set
12:52 kf            mtompset: what was the command you used?
12:51 magnuse       yeah, not sure what the clever thing to do is then
12:51 mtompset      Guess I'll have to make the changes manually.
12:51 mtompset      No, it didn't even apply.
12:50 mtompset      Ah...
12:50 magnuse       then you edit the stuff between them so the things from the patch works, without breaking other things
12:50 mtompset      Ahhh... let me check.
12:50 * oleonard    wonders, threeway thingy?
12:50 mtompset      threeway thingy?
12:50 magnuse       mtompset: you search for the conflict markers <<<, === and >>>
12:49 drojf         mtompset: do you have that threeway thingy in git? then you see it marked in the files
12:48 mtompset      How do you fix the conflicts?
12:48 mtompset      Greeting, magnuse.
12:48 kf            drojf: once I have finished the other 3
12:48 magnuse       mtompset: apply it, and clean up the conflicts, i think?
12:48 drojf         jcamins_away: shiny, thanks. bookmarked it this time
12:47 drojf         hi mtompset
12:47 mtompset      Things have changed from 3.8 to master, so there is extra code which causes context to be confused on one section.
12:47 drojf         kf: cool, i expect the video tutorial ASAP
12:47 mtompset      probably with conflicts. Let me try.
12:47 tcohen        hi mtompset
12:47 oleonard      mtompset: Does it not apply at all, or does it apply with conflicts?
12:46 mtompset      Greetings, kf, drojf, and tcohen. :)
12:46 kf            drojf: btw - jcamins fixed it :)
12:45 mtompset      I have a git question. I have a patch, which I know won't apply cleanly... how do you clean up a git patch that doesn't apply properly?
12:45 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
12:45 oleonard      I need to learn more about ways in which TT features can make the templates more efficient
12:44 kf            oleonard: yeah :)
12:44 magnuse       a rwerite using bootstrap or something similar and perhaps utilizing more features of tt would be totally awesome!
12:43 oleonard      Into an official role you mean kf?
12:43 kf            I guess I just don't want to get myself into trouble all alone and try to pull my friends with me :)
12:43 magnuse       oleonard++
12:42 kf            being silly
12:42 kf            sorry :)
12:42 kf            UI master designer :P
12:42 kf            we should create a new role for you :)
12:41 oleonard      ...apparently to the extent that I would volunteer to re-write the OPAC templates :|
12:40 * magnuse     too
12:40 magnuse       s/to/to do/
12:39 oleonard      I would "whew" for that!
12:39 magnuse       cause s/he was worried about having to other stuff?
12:37 * oleonard    wonders why "whew"
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12:28 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 10.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on October 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.52 in 1000 hPa (Rising).
12:28 magnuse       @wunder boo
12:13 jcamins       ^^ that's the canonical one.
12:13 wahanui       Koha migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
12:13 jcamins       drojf: Koha migration toolbox?
11:43 drojf         kf: put it on the wiki when you are done ;)
11:35 kf            so annoying, but well.
11:28 drojf         :/
11:28 kf            it works, it's only me doing something wrong here
11:28 kf            we are using it in one of the libraries for years now
11:28 kf            hmpf.
11:28 drojf         that icu thing comes up a lot lately
11:24 kf            *sigh*
11:22 kf            it couldn't work
11:22 kf            oh
11:22 kf            meh.
11:21 kf            I think I activated icu... someone cross their fingers that this works?
11:21 kf            oook
11:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8382 normal, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filtered page in parcel.pl
11:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8827 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , YUI CSS files no longer found on Yahoo servers
11:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
11:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8379 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Encoding problem under Plack
11:21 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 8382 [Follow-up] It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filtered page in parcel.pl
11:21 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 8827 - YUI CSS files no longer found on Yahoo servers
11:21 jenkins_koha  * jcamins: Bug 8623 follow-up: make sure CCSR theme loads YUI
11:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7963 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Parallel HTTP requests when checking URLs
11:21 jenkins_koha  * tomascohen: Bug 8623 - Fix YUI path for OPAC in debian/rules
11:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8449 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Improve wording and styling for "cancelled holds" on Holds Awaiting Pickup screen
11:21 jenkins_koha  * jcamins: Bug 8623: Move YUI out of prog
11:21 jenkins_koha  * Paul Poulain: Bug 8379 don't close dbh
11:21 jenkins_koha  * Paul Poulain: Bug 8379 removing another useless ->disconnect line
11:21 jenkins_koha  * Paul Poulain: Bug 7963 follow-up: die nicely if AnyEvent libraries not installed
11:21 jenkins_koha  * f.demians: Bug 7963 Parallel HTTP requests when checking URLs
11:21 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 8449 - Improve wording and styling for "cancelled holds" on Holds Awaiting Pickup screen
11:21 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 8449 - Improve wording and styling for "cancelled holds" on Holds Awaiting Pickup screen
11:21 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #869: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/869/
10:54 * drojf       hands alex_a some duct tape
10:36 drojf         ha, you#re right it was jcamins_away's https://github.com/jcamins/koha-migration-toolbox
10:34 kf            github maybe?
10:34 drojf         and there was more than this http://git.esilibrary.com/?p=migration-tools.git;a=tree
10:34 kf            I think she may have the repo somewhere else too
10:34 kf            hm
10:33 drojf         no it was migration specific
10:33 wahanui       this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement
10:33 kf            this one
10:33 kf            http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=contrib/global.git;a=summary
10:33 kf            ah not that link
10:33 kf            oh noz zhsz
10:33 huginn        04Bug 3216: normal, P2, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , UNIMARC author facets
10:33 kf            http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3216
10:33 kf            mybe confusing repos?
10:33 kf            hm
10:31 drojf         is there a reason why http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=contrib/migration-tools.git;a=tree is empty? i'm sure i had a look at that a while ago and there was a lot of stuff inside. or have i been somewhere else then? if so, where? ;)
10:23 huginn        04Bug 3216: normal, P2, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , UNIMARC author facets
10:23 kf            http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3216
10:23 kf            hm might be icu is the answer
10:20 * magnuse     crosses his fingers for jenkins and wanders off to lunch
10:13 jenkins_koha  Starting build #869 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
10:01 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8382' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=81ee945a580189e79a268f60d9e7638e92e85f26> / Bug 8382 [Follow-up] It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filter... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d30a8ae22014b953f2370eba1d46e117cad0dc84> / Bug 8827 - YUI CSS files no longer found on Yahoo servers <http://git
10:00 sam75         drojf: yes but i've a doubt, as my xml export is not valid
09:56 drojf         sam75: but at least it's unimarc, converting the data to marcxml seems not too complicated
09:55 sam75         drojf: cadic, it's a french ILS (other frenchies on this channel may know it, it's very old and very exotic)
09:52 drojf         sam75: what ILS did you eyport the data from?
09:44 magnuse       sleep tight rangi
09:43 drojf         good night rangi
09:43 kf            sleep well
09:43 rangi         and with that, im going to sleep
09:42 rangi         reward good behaviour, ignore bad
09:42 mtj           … really looking forward to trolly bootstrap thread, not
09:41 drojf         sam75: that's migration :)
09:40 sam75         drojf: yes, my export tools are very very bad and nothing is clear and so, it take me many time to correct it
09:38 drojf         sam75: and i don't know what kind of format this is, but i assume you will have to convert it to marcxml if you want to import it into koha
09:25 drojf         sam75: as i said, you have to escape the < > that are not part of the xml but your data. change them to &lt; and &rt; accordingly i think
09:25 kf            isn't there always hope?
09:24 magnuse       see, there is hope
09:24 kf            it's probably just too early :)
09:24 wahanui       jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
09:24 magnuse       jcamins_away?
09:24 kf            yay!
09:24 kf            heh
09:24 drojf         ok. let's just say his name a few times more so jcamins_away can help you :)
09:24 magnuse       i'm pretty sure jcamins has said you need dom to search mutiple subfields togehter
09:23 kf            I think with dom you can do it right
09:23 kf            jcamins_away told me it should be possible to make it work last time we talked, but now I don't know how
09:23 drojf         i thought that was one of the cool things with DOM indexing. but i may have misunderstood that
09:23 sam75         http://pastebin.com/wYW28Gh3
09:23 kf            there might be some painful trick
09:23 drojf         then you cannot search over subfields, was my understanding
09:23 kf            the installation is running a modified 3.6.x
09:22 kf            that's pre dom here
09:22 drojf         DOM indexing that is
09:22 drojf         there was a bug about DOM not working completely
09:22 kf            $abenedikt$cvon Aniane
09:22 kf            the problem is that the content I want to search for is in 2 different subfields
09:22 drojf         what version of koha?
09:22 drojf         ah
09:22 kf            ah,that's not authorities, that's author index
09:21 drojf         hm. still have not really worked with authorities so i won't be any help. also i think something like that happened the last time i tried it :/
09:21 kf            I woudl really like jared to show up :)
09:20 kf            the records show up in keyword search but not with au
09:20 kf            only can still not search the stupid subfield *sigh*
09:20 kf            yep that worked - thx
09:20 drojf         kf: completely reindex, according to marcelr on the ml a year ago
09:20 sam75         kf: i'll pastebin an extract of my file
09:18 kf            11:12:43-05/10 zebraidx(2600) [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit
09:18 kf            zebraidx: isamb.c:1102: insert_leaf: Assertion `*lookahead_mode' failed.
09:18 kf            11:12:43-05/10 zebraidx(2598) [warn] isamb: Inconsistent register (2)
09:18 Oak           \o
09:18 wahanui       it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:18 kf            interesting
09:18 alex_a        Oak: \o
09:17 kf            hi Oak ;)
09:17 sam75         kf: no
09:17 Oak           hello cate, mtj, alex_a :)
09:17 kf            jcamins_away: around?
09:16 kf            but the < and > are in the data?
09:16 sam75         yes....how can i explain. It.... It comes from my original data and <the> is indexed (in english, ,it's more easy but in french, it's "le" la" "les" l' ")
09:14 drojf         something like <$a>&lt;The&gt; big cat </$a>
09:12 drojf         sam75: what is the <The> supposed to do? does that come from your original data? then you would have to escape it i suppose (i'm not not an xml expert)
09:11 sam75         Question to xml expert: i've an xml file of my base but this is not valid because there's more than one root node (example : <$a><The>big cat </$a>). How can i do ?
09:09 drojf         rangi: exactly
09:09 rangi         drojf: and we know with what happened with ebsco and others, that peer review is sometimes faked .. with open access and transparency that is easier to catch
09:09 magnuse       hi sam75
09:08 drojf         hey sam75
09:08 sam75         Hi to all!
09:08 rangi         exactly
09:08 drojf         because even professors cannot afford to buy books at the prices these days
09:08 rangi         ooh that does sound good drojf
09:08 drojf         i'm happy to see that linguists here are forming what seems to become a huge open access initiative. setting up volunteers for reviewing and all
09:07 magnuse       sad but true
09:07 magnuse       yup
09:05 rangi         corner boys for the big drug dealers :)
09:05 rangi         resellers
09:05 rangi         yep
09:05 magnuse       academic libraries ae increasingly about being gatekeepers for the big journal publishers...
09:05 magnuse       and i think the situation is a bit different for academic and public libraries
09:03 kf            yeah
09:02 rangi         however, counting on commercial companies to index your content for you = DOOM
09:01 rangi         bandaids
09:01 rangi         i agree with that
08:59 magnuse       Conclusions 1. The Library should not invest in a new library discovery tool.
08:58 magnuse       http://www.libereurope.eu/blog/thinking-the-unthinkable-a-library-without-a-catalogue-reconsidering-the-future-of-discovery-to
08:45 kf            oh
08:44 drojf         on the mailing list
08:39 kf            huh?
08:39 drojf         5€ say the next answer will be "why not use the google for search?".
08:30 magnuse       hehe yeah
08:30 kf            remember that weird flying thing across the hotel?
08:29 magnuse       nah, i even liked that :-)
08:29 rangi         :)
08:29 rangi         cept bucklame
08:29 magnuse       all of nz seems nice, though :-)
08:29 rangi         yup, its nice down there
08:28 magnuse       s/on/one/
08:27 * magnuse     must visit the south island on day too!
08:26 magnuse       lucky brooke, then!
08:26 magnuse       yay
08:26 rangi         and i will do
08:26 rangi         yep, she is in the south island at the moment
08:25 rangi         who also used to work at catalyst
08:25 rangi         http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4581151/
08:25 magnuse       and say hi to reed from norway next time you seem him, ok? :-)
08:25 magnuse       brooke is in nz?
08:25 rangi         also with
08:24 rangi         had lunch with him and brooke yesterday
08:24 rangi         heh
08:24 magnuse       and talking of tolkien: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4790499/ yay! :-)
08:22 rangi         s/the//
08:22 rangi         dredd is the eomer
08:21 rangi         did you see the lotr movies?
08:21 rangi         it opened here last night
08:21 rangi         heh
08:20 drojf         hipsters nowadays. "i'm gonna see that movie before it's on p2p"…
08:19 * magnuse     found dredd through the anthrax song, back in the day
08:19 rangi         yep, this one is supposed to be a lot better
08:19 * magnuse     saw the first one
08:18 rangi         hmm i might go see dredd tomorrow
08:17 magnuse       and yes, that *is* kind of a general question on the mailing list :-)
08:17 magnuse       nah, just trolls
08:17 magnuse       heh
08:17 drojf         unimoose
08:16 drojf         oh you have unicorns too? :)
08:16 rangi         http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/HOw-Koha-does-it-works-td5728918.html
08:16 * magnuse     goes to check
08:16 magnuse       no northern lights or unicorns or anything?
08:16 rangi         i think todays whats koha one was pretty awesome
08:15 drojf         i'd like to see a little more effort from the mailing list trolls
08:15 magnuse       kia ora rangi
08:15 drojf         hi rangi
08:15 magnuse       hehe
08:15 drojf         ;)
08:15 drojf         lol magnuse. not really. and i agree, the differences look rather boring ,9
08:15 rangi         :)
08:15 rangi         what a horrible thing to say!
08:15 magnuse       drojf: so did you spend the night studying normarc?
08:13 drojf         hei magnuse
08:13 magnuse       hiya drojf
08:12 drojf         good day #koha
08:02 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8879 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , silence messages from running prove ./t ./xt
08:02 magnuse       yay for bug 8879
07:54 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @jsicot: "ok donc les relances #kohails ne sont envoyées que si le primary email est saisi… Il sert quoi alors le secondary ?"
07:25 kf            good morning magnuse :)
07:25 magnuse       kia ora kf!
07:24 kf            hi #koha
07:16 francharb     hi druthb
07:16 druthb        Hi francharb.  :)
07:14 francharb     0/
07:03 gaetan_B      good morning #koha
07:03 wahanui       well, druthb is wanting to be the TM for 3.12.  Now we know she's crazy.
07:03 druthb        druthb?
07:02 wahanui       okay, druthb.
07:02 druthb        magnuse is also a Norwegian giant.
07:00 magnuse       heh
07:00 wahanui       magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
07:00 druthb        wahanui: magnuse?
07:00 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8878 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-shell: a command to make using koha commands easier
07:00 magnuse       oh enh/bug 8878 will be awesome!
06:59 magnuse       kia ora #koha!
06:54 wahanui       hello, reiveune
06:54 reiveune      hello
06:29 eythian       bye all
06:23 eythian       hi all
06:15 alex_a        and hi Oak :)
06:15 alex_a        hi mtj and cait !
06:10 cait          hi Oak, alex_a and mtj :)
06:10 mtj           morning cait , Oak , alex_a
06:09 alex_a        bonjour tout le monde
06:08 Oak           kia ora #koha
06:07 cait          good morning #koha
03:15 wahanui       ...but it is <reply>...
03:15 eythian       wahanui: it is now beer o'clock.
03:13 eythian       :D
03:13 jcamins       eythian: I'll do my best to test and signoff soon.
03:12 eythian       (I'd like to know how to fix the prompt not working thing, carrying across PS1 had unexpected results.)
03:11 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8878 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-shell: a command to make using koha commands easier
03:11 eythian       jcamins: bored? feel like a signoff? Bug 8878 is waiting for your call!
02:33 jcamins       Go, eythian, go!
02:33 * eythian     has 30 minutes to write a man page.
02:32 eythian       similar with PERL5LIB
02:32 eythian       /etc/koha/sites/asb/koha-conf.xml
02:32 eythian       bash-4.1$ echo $KOHA_CONF
02:32 eythian       $ sudo ./koha-shell asb
02:31 jcamins       eythian++
02:31 eythian       I can't make the prompt work well, but that's OK
02:31 rangi         nice
02:30 eythian       asb-koha
02:30 eythian       robin@mykoha-staging:~$ sudo ./koha-shell asb -c whoami
02:27 jcamins       LotR++
02:26 jcamins       Agreed.
02:26 rangi         unless i go off on some lotr quoting madness again
02:26 rangi         im thinking the manual, and perldoc.koha-community and the wiki are about all we could possibly answer
02:23 mtj           … also, what is PEARL, and how databases work?
02:20 eythian       do you want the long answer, or the looooooong answer?
02:19 mtj           lol
02:18 rangi         http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/HOw-Koha-does-it-works-td5728918.html
02:18 jcamins       lol
02:17 rangi         hehe, thats an awesome friday question
00:42 rangi         no problem
00:41 mib_u7fo5u    thanks a lot for help
00:40 mib_u7fo5u    i will look into that
00:40 rangi         has more
00:40 rangi         http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/impopac.html
00:40 mib_u7fo5u    excellent !!
00:39 rangi         http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/impopac.html#editableopac
00:39 mib_u7fo5u    how can i add links to thesection that says "important links" on the home page
00:38 mib_u7fo5u    and i have an another question
00:38 mib_u7fo5u    oh k
00:38 rangi         and that will become a clickable url in the OPAC
00:37 rangi         that means when editing a record, you can add a url to the 856u field
00:37 rangi         excellent
00:37 mib_u7fo5u    its marc21
00:36 mib_u7fo5u    ok found it
00:36 eythian       the system preference search box, that is
00:35 eythian       or type 'marcflavour' into the search box.
00:35 eythian       scroll down a bit, and it's there.
00:35 eythian       mib_u7fo5u: Administration -> System Preferences -> Cataloguing
00:35 rangi         then choose cataloging
00:35 rangi         administration->systempreferences
00:34 rangi         no
00:34 mib_u7fo5u    under catalog
00:34 mib_u7fo5u    is it Record matching rules
00:32 eythian       Under "record structure" I think
00:32 rangi         cool, yeah so then that option should definitely be there
00:31 mib_u7fo5u    Koha version: 	3.08.05.000
00:29 mib_u7fo5u    my bad give me a sec
00:29 rangi         what version of Koha are you running?
00:29 mib_u7fo5u    wait
00:27 mib_u7fo5u    no i dont find anything like that
00:26 rangi         is it set to MARC21, UNIMARC or NORMARC
00:25 rangi         look for a variable called marcflavour
00:25 rangi         then cataloging
00:25 wahanui       hmmm... system preferences is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences
00:25 rangi         system preferences
00:25 rangi         go to administration
00:25 rangi         ok
00:23 mib_u7fo5u    If you can tell me how to check it i will. Thanks for the response
00:23 mib_u7fo5u    I have absolutely no idea of that. All i have are the admin rights. I hope i did see something like that from the admin page
00:22 rangi         are you using marc21 ?
00:21 rangi         yep
00:21 mib_u7fo5u    Is there a way ??
00:20 mib_u7fo5u    how can i add a download link to a catalog item in koha
00:19 eythian       thanks wahanui
00:19 wahanui       i think owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/
00:19 eythian       wahanui: owen's blog
00:00 jcamins       Anyone here who has tried it?
00:00 jcamins       Kohlrabi.