Time  Nick           Message
22:59 eythian        :)
22:59 seneca         koha's community wins again
22:59 eythian        no worries
22:59 eythian        heh
22:59 seneca         thanks again everyone!
22:59 seneca         and I shall happily help her, as she is my wife!
22:57 seneca         I'm sure the librarian will tell me what I missed tomorrow... ;)
22:57 seneca         db moved, cronjobs set, postfix works, email enabled, ldap set up...
22:57 seneca         and I think I'm done...
22:57 seneca         there we go...
22:53 seneca         doh! ;)
22:52 eythian        it's probably a good idea, yes
22:52 seneca         I'm assuming postfix should be working before I try to have koha send email...
22:41 eythian        yeah, get out of here drojf ;)
22:41 drojf          good night #koha
22:41 drojf          waesome?
22:40 eythian        -a
22:40 eythian        awaesome :)
22:39 seneca         sweet! copy/paste of the ldap config works great
22:37 eythian        don't think so
22:36 seneca         we use ldap as well... any changes in that config syntax?
22:34 eythian        cool
22:34 seneca         22383 records from my zebra rebuild, just to be exact
22:33 seneca         I did read that, thanks
22:33 seneca         kudos developers!
22:33 rangi          until you do koha-email-enable
22:33 seneca         there's some great polish on the latest version of koha!
22:33 rangi          your machine wont send any email
22:33 seneca         awesome
22:33 rangi          also
22:33 rangi          make sure all the jobs you want to run are going to be run
22:33 rangi          check the koha-common in there
22:33 jcamins        If you wrote custom scripts, they won't be in the packages.
22:32 rangi          too
22:32 rangi          cron.hourly
22:32 rangi          cron.daily/
22:32 jcamins        If they're the cronjobs that Koha provides, no.
22:32 seneca         like rebuilding zebra, overdue notices, holds, etc
22:32 wahanui        rumour has it /etc/cron.d/koha-common is where the indexing lives
22:32 rangi          /etc/cron.d/koha-common
22:32 eythian        the packages do all that for you
22:32 rangi          but you will want to look at
22:32 wahanui        cronjobs are essential
22:32 jcamins        What cronjobs?
22:32 rangi          no
22:32 seneca         I asked this earlier today, but just to be sure - is it true that I will have to copy over all my koha script-related cronjobs from the old server?
22:31 eythian        sweet as
22:31 eythian        we had a severe wind warning today, but that just means it's a day that ends in 'y' really.
22:31 seneca         (and everyone else)
22:30 seneca         thanks eythian
22:30 seneca         they always win
22:30 jcamins        No tornado warning, though.
22:30 seneca         yeah, don't mess with tornados
22:30 eythian        sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f koha
22:30 jcamins        (city)
22:30 seneca         ah
22:30 jcamins        Outside. In New York.
22:30 eythian        seneca: you may have to rebuild zebra
22:29 seneca         where?
22:29 seneca         a tornado?
22:29 seneca         no items, it seems
22:29 jcamins        seneca: tell them to get indoors, it looks like a tornado.
22:29 jcamins        Other than this summer, when we've had... five?
22:29 seneca         well, all my patrons are there
22:29 seneca         hmm...
22:29 eythian        jcamins: there's going to be a tornado.
22:28 jcamins        I live in New York City... not exactly tornado central.
22:28 jcamins        Why does it look like there is going to be a tornado?
22:27 seneca         small independent school in Ohio
22:26 seneca         heh
22:26 jcamins        That'd be why.
22:26 jcamins        Oh.
22:26 eythian        it's mostly if you have a huge issue history that it takes time
22:26 jcamins        I found the upgrade from 3.6 to 3.8 took painfully long.
22:26 seneca         prob about 20k items
22:26 jcamins        seneca: how tiny is tiny?
22:26 seneca         but we're tiny
22:26 seneca         that was actually really quick
22:26 seneca         woah
22:25 seneca         got it
22:25 eythian        just give it the name of the instance
22:25 jcamins        sudo koha-upgrade-schema koha
22:25 seneca         does it just use the KOHA_CONF as well?
22:25 seneca         is there special syntax for the upgrade script?
22:24 seneca         I'll do it myself (said like a pouty little kid)
22:24 eythian        (sometimes, depends on your data)
22:24 seneca         well ok
22:24 eythian        yeah, that upgrade can take a while
22:24 seneca         ah
22:24 jcamins        But if you let the staff interface do it for you, you won't be able to tell when it's finished.
22:24 seneca         very slick ;)
22:24 seneca         cool
22:24 seneca         oh
22:24 eythian        if you don't, the staff interface will do it for you
22:23 jcamins        After you've finished loading it.
22:23 eythian        you can
22:23 seneca         should I run that after the dump?
22:23 jcamins        seneca: there is, but that's what koha-upgrade-schema does.
22:22 seneca         so there was no schema change from 3.4 to 3.8, eh?
22:22 eythian        ah
22:22 jcamins        eythian: rangi's blog post.
22:21 eythian        ?
22:21 jcamins        Cool!
22:20 wahanui        I know.
22:20 eythian        that's right
22:20 seneca         once I delete everything, I can koha-mysql the dump back in?
22:19 seneca         heh
22:19 rangi          http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2009/07/25/dbixclass-and-koha/
22:19 rangi          heh i was looking for stuff about dbix::class and found my own blogpost
22:19 seneca         heh
22:18 eythian        it's very simple, also fairly dangerous
22:18 seneca         oh, ok
22:18 eythian        that's it
22:17 seneca         what's the syntax? I see the "--delete-everything"...
22:17 seneca         ah
22:17 eythian        it takes it from the KOHA_CONF you specify
22:16 seneca         how's your script know which db to use?
22:15 seneca         thanks
22:15 seneca         nice
22:14 wahanui        somebody said yep, that was what I did. I had been pulling from HEAD and wondered after I did this if it would roll me back to 3.2.x
22:14 eythian        yep, that
22:14 eythian        /usr/share/koha/lib off the top of my head
22:14 seneca         anyone know where the PERL5LIB lives by default in new debian+koha installs? ;)
22:13 eythian        *to
22:13 * eythian      really needs to write a koha-shell command do take care of this
22:13 eythian        you need to export KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB
22:13 eythian        yeah
22:12 seneca         oh... no. I bet I need to export some path stuff
22:12 seneca         do I need to run that script from someplace specific?
22:11 eythian        I use that script, it also ensures there are no stray tables hanging around.
22:10 rangi          then turn it back on after its created
22:10 rangi          SET foreign_check_keys=0
22:10 pastebot       "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "script to delete everything from a database" (55 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/215
22:10 rangi          and put
22:10 rangi          edit you dump file
22:09 rangi          or
22:09 rangi          you can either delete everything
22:09 eythian        jup
22:09 rangi          its a foreign key issue
22:09 seneca         oh, you mean like drop all tables in the new db and import the dump?
22:09 eythian        jcamins: it is, but I've never actually pinned down where it comes from.
22:08 jcamins        eythian: sounds like a bug.
22:08 eythian        you're importing a dump right, so you can delete everything in the database safely?
22:08 seneca         deleting everything?
22:07 eythian        I fix it by deleting everything
22:07 seneca         well alright. does it hold anything?
22:07 eythian        it's just a table called letter
22:07 seneca         what is the letter table?
22:07 eythian        seneca: there's something about the letter table that is problematic
22:07 jcamins        Cool. sudo works with redirected input, just not redirected output?
22:07 seneca         it worked for a while then gave that and exited
22:06 seneca         mean anything to anyone?
22:06 seneca         ERROR 1005 (HY000) at line 3143: Can't create table 'koha_koha.letter' (errno: 150)
22:05 rangi          that will work
22:05 seneca         I'll give it a try
22:05 jcamins        However, I always get confused about sudo and redirection, so that might not work.
22:05 seneca         nifty!
22:05 jcamins        I think you can just do `sudo koha-mysql instancename < sqlfile`
22:04 jcamins        Good.
22:04 seneca         right
22:04 jcamins        You do not have any data in it?
22:04 seneca         yep
22:04 jcamins        You created an instance?
22:03 jcamins        Good.
22:03 seneca         yeah, debian koha-common
22:03 jcamins        seneca: you used packages, yes?
22:03 jcamins        No, excuse me. He's gotten bored. He's trying to make a phone call.
22:03 jcamins        Myshkin is currently trying to get at the little container of change I keep on my desk.
22:02 seneca         if I had an sql dump from version 3.4 and wanted to import it into my newly created install, what's the recommended way to do that?
21:58 rangi          it sure would
21:58 jcamins_away   drojf: no, though that'd be pretty cool.
21:58 drojf          can i get local cover images into koha together with my records somehow with bulkmarcimport.pl?
21:52 seneca         hehe
21:52 eythian        try it, and if something breaks, make a patch ;)
21:52 rangi          so, maybe :)
21:52 rangi          hmm true
21:49 eythian        actually, it shouldn't. All the tools should use the database in the config. That said, I've never done it.
21:48 seneca         oki
21:48 seneca         ha
21:48 rangi          dont do that
21:48 rangi          yes
21:47 seneca         My guess is no, but if I change database names and users from the default (koha_koha) will it cause me pain when I go to upgrade the server?
21:42 seneca         been a while since I configured apache... :)
21:41 wizzyrea       i've done that.
21:41 rangi          no worries, easy to miss
21:41 seneca         ah, that would do it, wouldn't it. sorry about that. I bet that's it
21:40 rangi          line
21:40 rangi          make sure it has a Listen 8080
21:40 rangi          check ports.conf
21:39 seneca         FYI: I've not yet run the web installer yet... that's what I'm trying to get to so that I can finish the setup
21:39 seneca         hey rangi, to start with I altered the apache config so that Intranet has <VirtualHost *:8080> and restarted apache, but I'm still not getting a response on that port, oddly. Anything special I need to do for koha?
21:28 drojf          it's awfully quiet on the livecd front
21:26 drojf          lol
21:26 wizzyrea       j/k
21:26 wizzyrea       ;)
21:26 wizzyrea       that's a no no
21:26 wizzyrea       yea, you expressed appreciation
21:25 rangi          provide me a video tutorial!
21:25 rangi          thats not demanding enough :)
21:24 drojf          rangi: i'd appreciate a video tutorial on how to set it up :P
21:24 rangi          however not being networked means it wont be that useful :)
21:24 wajasu         ;)
21:24 wajasu         i run that for my DNS server
21:23 rangi          if it can run perl
21:23 rangi          i bet it does
21:23 drojf          dear sir, does koha run on this? http://www.sparrowos.com/
21:22 wajasu         i see.  you need the DNS setup to differentiate.
21:21 seneca         thanks!
21:21 seneca         awesome
21:21 seneca         heh
21:21 rangi          or you can just edit the apcache configs
21:21 seneca         or can I just go edit the apache configs?
21:21 rangi          you can
21:21 seneca         ok, so if I wanted to do name-based, say lib.domain.com=opac and admin.domain.com=admin, do I need to edit the file and recreate?
21:19 seneca         yeah, but THEN I'd have to go fix all my bookmarks ;P
21:19 seneca         heh
21:19 rangi          they are easier to remember
21:19 rangi          id use names
21:19 rangi          if you have dns
21:19 seneca         ok
21:19 seneca         our original koha server (this is a replacement) used ports, but it is OLD
21:19 rangi          its up to you
21:18 seneca         is there a recommendation for name-based or ports?
21:18 rangi          http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html
21:18 seneca         that emoticon-ed on me... looks funny
21:18 wajasu         is the name based hosting where the apache server chooses the  opc or admin app based on the  URL?
21:17 seneca         hah
21:17 rangi          yep
21:17 seneca         just trying to make sure I got it
21:17 seneca         but that's what you mean, and not ":port" right?
21:17 rangi          maybe, but it could be anything
21:17 seneca         by "name-based" do you mean koha=opac and koha/admin=admin?
21:16 rangi          and make the intranet listen on port 8080
21:16 rangi          or you can edit /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/instancename
21:16 rangi          and remove/create
21:16 rangi          you can edit that file
21:16 rangi          i usually just do name based hosting, but if you want to use ports, you have 2 options
21:15 seneca         this will be the only thing running on this server (koha, and its related apache, etc.)
21:15 seneca         http://pastebin.com/ghNsC6L3
21:15 rangi          if you arent doing name based hosting you will need to set the INTRAPORT to something
21:14 rangi          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Initial_Configuration
21:14 seneca         yeah
21:14 rangi          can you paste what is in the file first
21:14 rangi          depends
21:14 seneca         so I'll need to remove this instance, fix the file, then create an instance again
21:13 wahanui        i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
21:13 rangi          packages?
21:13 seneca         but it seemed to me like that wasn't enough info...
21:13 rangi          can you paste it into paste.koha-community.org
21:13 wajasu         at least you can use koha-remove <site-name> fairly easily.
21:13 seneca         Ah. I was following this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment#Step:_Install_Koha
21:13 rangi          yep
21:12 seneca         in /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf?
21:12 rangi          unless you told it to be when you set up the file before running koha-create
21:11 seneca         nothing answering at that port...
21:11 rangi          it wont be that
21:11 seneca         that's what I thought...
21:11 wizzyrea       ?
21:11 wizzyrea       ip:8080
21:11 seneca         OK...feeling kinda dumb.... I just installed koha in debian via koha-common and koha-create... how do I get to the admin site? heading to the IP of the new server gives me the "maintenance" page
21:10 wajasu         fredericd: is that followup perlcritic bug on 8849 misplaced?  was it meant for 8739?   if so maybe you can move it to some other bug that touches Account.pm
21:08 rangi          id just ask him
21:07 wajasu         and this is for 3.8
21:07 wajasu         or another bug that touches Account.pm
21:06 wajasu         and the one he references 8739  is pushed to stable.  i could reattach it to 8739.
21:04 rangi          yep looks liek wrong bug
21:02 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Error log generated when not a demo system
21:02 wajasu         rangi: on bug 8849, the perlcritic patch. do you think it was errantly attached to 8849?  maybe after a patch was posted, bugzilla might have forwarded to the next one to fix, and he attached the perlcritic fix?  its for Account.pm which 8849 doesn't address.
20:53 cait           good night all
20:41 cait           ah, sounds good :)
20:41 huginn         cait: The names of the participants, players, narrators, presenters, or performers. (Repeatable) [a,6,8]
20:41 cait           @marc 511
20:41 rangi          i lean towards submitting patchs
20:41 cait           drojf: I think you could submit  a patch
20:40 drojf          are the XSLT stylesheets supposed to be left like they are unless there are errors (and further changes are done locally only) or should we submit patches for missing fields? i just added marc21 field 511 to mine and wonder if i'm supposed to submit a patch
20:38 rangi          since i helped author it, i do want someone else to test it (i have used it in production though and it works)
20:36 wajasu         great
20:36 rangi          looks fine to me, just needs a qa person to check it, and then im happy to push to 3.8
20:33 mtj            … and the follow-up -> http://mattwilcox.net/archive/entry/id/1054/
20:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , fix fine doubling, when upgrading from 3.6 to 3.8 (or later)
20:33 wajasu         rangi: please review what khall an i did today for bug 8253.  my changing it for rel_3_8 with a request to test for master, and specifying a duplicate bug. etc
20:32 cait           hah, was fast enough :)
20:32 cait           bye oleonard :)
20:32 rangi          heh
20:32 oleonard       And on that high note, oleonard out.
20:31 oleonard       Uh-wha?
20:31 oleonard       "Don't use IDs in selectors?!"
20:30 mtj            https://github.com/stubbornella/csslint/wiki/Command-line-interface
20:30 mtj            haay, have folks spotted this yet -> http://csslint.net/
20:26 rangi          its getting better all the time, but there are still somethings you have to resort to jquery to do, becuase you cant select them with css
20:26 rangi          thats what the designers here complain about
20:26 rangi          a class or an id on everything ;)
20:26 rangi          my main thing that would make life easier for customisation
20:25 jcamins_away   :)
20:25 * jcamins_away is definitely going to consider his work on rebasing the CCSR theme time well-spent if it results in people thinking about OPAC usability.
20:25 rangi          true
20:25 oleonard       ...and I haven't been in the opac-customization game in a while, so those issues aren't fresh in my mind
20:24 rangi          yup
20:24 oleonard       Well I'm beginning, but I want to do it openly because I think the CCSR theme could've been done better with wider input
20:24 rangi          working code will win, i mean warning people you are thinking about working on something is perfect, but waiting for consensus before begininning isn't ;)
20:22 rangi          yep
20:22 oleonard       Or you could just start over from scratch like I'm proposing :)
20:22 rangi          then look at the others, cross out any that are now used, its gonna be annoying to do, but doable
20:21 rangi          print out the unused styles on the first page
20:21 rangi          no, but thats what a print out is for
20:21 jcamins_away   rangi: I tried that, but it doesn't seem to be possible to make it keep track across an entire site.
20:21 rangi          luckily there arent that many pages in the opac
20:20 oleonard       Yeah I've tried that addon before... trouble is it's hard to use across multiple pages
20:20 rangi          done :)
20:20 rangi          https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dust-me-selectors/
20:19 rangi          http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33242/how-can-i-find-unused-images-and-css-styles-in-a-website
20:19 rangi          *nod*
20:19 rangi          and with a cache header, is only fetched once
20:19 jcamins_away   Yeah, I had in mind more making it easier to maintain.
20:18 rangi          however our css is pretty tiny, in the scheme of things
20:18 rangi          could be
20:17 jcamins_away   I feel like there are probably large portions of opac.css that are essentially no-ops.
20:17 rangi          you'd think there would be a plugin for that
20:17 jcamins_away   What's too bad is that there's no way to figure out easily which CSS styles are just not used at all anymore.
20:17 rangi          yep
20:16 oleonard       And maybe we even need to agree on a plan for requiring some kind of CSS-tidy and/or minimization
20:16 cait           :) cleaned up css files :)
20:15 mtj            oleonard, yeah, i agree
20:15 oleonard       Just trying to start from scratch with regard to the style, not trying to push the minimal design
20:14 cait           oleonard: looks nice, very clean
20:14 jcamins_away   responsive_layout++
20:13 oleonard       The grid and responsive layout are important issues to me
20:13 mtj            … and thanks! :)
20:11 mtj            i played a little with the layout, just for fun - but i was really focusing on the 'dynamic' css-switching thing
20:09 oleonard       It looks really good
20:09 mtj            yeah, i was just testing  (main, search, details) pages, in opac
20:07 mtj            then i put it on hold (until after the 3.10 release)
20:05 mtj            …from the 'preview' tab, up top
20:05 mtj            i was fiddling with adding the mutli theme stuff -> http://dev1.kohaaloha.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=love
20:04 * oleonard     has only worked on the logic and structure of the main page so far
20:04 oleonard       Were you just testing one page?
20:04 mtj            hmm, only as far as i showed you some weeks(months?) ago
20:02 oleonard       mtj: How far did you get with your OPAC Bootstrap work?
20:00 mtj            yep, absolutely
20:00 oleonard       mtj: I hope you'll weigh in on the discussion I'm trying to start on the devel list
19:59 mtj            oleonard++ nice themage ^^
19:58 mtj            ...and then me
19:52 rangi          ah eythian already did
19:50 rangi          you might want to follow that up :)
19:49 mtj            jcamins_away, lol ah yep :)
19:46 nengard        well i never liked it being a cart anyway :)
19:41 oleonard       They don't have a cart :P
19:41 oleonard       Yeah, just playing around with Bootstrap default icons
19:41 wizzyrea       lol. :)
19:41 wizzyrea       the cart with a briefcase is a bit odd
19:41 wizzyrea       I like that oleonard
19:40 nengard        yeah
19:40 oleonard       Not much to see, but it's nice to get a gauge on how difficult it is to get it started.
19:40 wizzyrea       mornin
19:39 nengard        looks good oleonard
19:39 oleonard       Hi rangi
19:38 rangi          morning
19:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Export issues
19:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, P3, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
19:36 jenkins_koha   * jonathan.druart: Bug 7986: Followup: Hide the export link unless sysprefs are set
19:36 jenkins_koha   * nengard: Bug 6716: Update biblioitems tables
19:36 jenkins_koha   * nengard: Bug 6716 - Fix alt contact field documentation
19:36 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #868: FIXED in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/868/
19:36 jenkins_koha   Yippie, build fixed!
19:36 oleonard       Quick Bootstrap OPAC test: http://screencast.com/t/AjAzTefB Minimal style, but following current layout
19:24 jcamins_away   mtj: different package.
18:49 tcohen         LyX++
18:48 wajasu         or http://dblatex.sourceforge.net/      http://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=name&substr=dblatex
18:45 wajasu         nengard: see if http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac       is useful.
18:43 * oleonard     knows not of docbook editors
18:41 nengard        okay ? the manual has gotten too big to save ? I need a more powerful app for writing/editing it becuase I kinda need it to dave and I need it to be one file if we're giong to link from section to section ?. ideas for a wysiwyg docbook editor that will run on Mac?
18:28 jenkins_koha   Starting build #868 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #864 2 days 2 hr ago)
18:15 wajasu         ok.
18:15 khall          wajasu, why don't you just mark it as a duplicate of 8253, since that will render this bug obsolete
18:14 khall          nope, I'm wrong
18:14 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7986' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8c5497b8da7de25b7c4787ee5540e4e1b48704d> / Bug 7986: Followup: Hide the export link unless sysprefs are set <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=db4fddd31db1d7d3c3b38230d60511aec8b356a1> / Bug 6716: Update biblioitems tables <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi
18:13 khall          wajasu, I don't think 8112 is related.
18:12 wajasu         khall: so we won't need to test/qa 8112, which seems to be an earlier bandaid.
18:11 wajasu         khall: if 8253 gets applied to master, 8112 won't be needed, correct?  so why don't we comment about that at the bottom of 8253 and possibly retire this patch. what do you think?
18:02 * oleonard     thought Little Elm Public Library must be in Ohio because their logo is shaped like our state http://www.littleelmlibrary.org/images/lel_logo.gif
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17:50 jcamins_away   When I went back and made one-line changes to the bib indexing configuration, it required me to regenerate.
17:49 jcamins_away   No changes to the bib indexing, so I didn't regenerate biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl.
17:49 jcamins_away   I added that for authorities.
17:49 jcamins_away   I know what it is.
17:49 jcamins_away   Oh.
17:49 jcamins_away   gmcharlt: I have no idea... all I did was regenerate the Zebra defs.
17:48 gmcharlt       jcamins_away: at first glance, looks like on the right track, but what's this admixture of the 450 and index_heading_conditional stuff tag doing in the patch?
17:42 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8665 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , DOM indexing fails to index some bib records
17:42 jcamins_away   gmcharlt: if you wanted to take a look at the patch on bug 8665, it would be appreciated.
17:24 libsysguy      heh here's to hoping
17:23 slef           libsysguy: no worries. Maybe you'll make something surprising with this info.
17:23 wahanui        ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow....
17:23 slef           wahanui: you are not the most helpful for SRU
17:23 wahanui        SRU is Search/Retrieval via URL or http://www.loc.gov/standards/sru/ or SRU Record Update
17:23 slef           wahanui: SRU?
17:23 libsysguy      ok well thanks for entertaining my wandering thoughts slef :)
17:23 wahanui        somebody said svc API was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API
17:23 slef           wahanui: svc API?
17:22 wahanui        i don't know, slef
17:22 slef           wahanui: svc?
17:22 libsysguy      yeah I have 0 exp there
17:22 wajasu         seneca: yes you can dump the db and load it.  the webinstaller will upgrade accordingly.
17:22 seneca         thanks wajasu
17:22 libsysguy      gotcha
17:22 slef           libsysguy: I've done more with the svc and SRU/SRW
17:22 libsysguy      heh i like that, biblibrains
17:22 slef           libsysguy: I think you should ask the biblibrans how it works. I don't do much with drupal any more.
17:22 libsysguy      i promise
17:22 * libsysguy    is genuinely interested and not trying to be a pain
17:21 wajasu         seneca: you will need to do crontab -l  for your cronjobs, and set them up as needed in the new VM.  read up on bugs on your target version, to see if they affect you, and work toward a version that makes sense.
17:21 libsysguy      to koha
17:21 seneca         ok - just in case I need to reference an old config?
17:21 libsysguy      so how are you getting today data to and from drupal
17:20 slef           libsysguy: no. I'm saying that there is no domain restriction for PHP code like drupal.
17:20 slef           seneca: grab the /etc/koha or /etc/koha/sites/NAME for good measure IMO
17:20 libsysguy      is that what you're getting at?
17:20 libsysguy      the same domain restriction still exists even on other sub domains
17:19 seneca         how much of a pain is it to move an installation to another server? export/import the db and what else?
17:19 libsysguy      now im confused
17:18 slef           AFAIK
17:18 slef           yeah, but drupal is PHP, so the javascript same-domain restriction doesn't matter if it's running drupalside
17:18 libsysguy      so that Drupal can make calls?
17:17 libsysguy      they are trying to develop a REST-ful service for Koha right?
17:17 slef           dunno - it's a related problem
17:17 libsysguy      thats what I get for reading more than one email at once :p
17:17 libsysguy      i might have misread that thread
17:17 slef           nah, I'd prefer not to use callbacks... or javascript, for that matter. ;-)
17:16 libsysguy      yeah
17:16 libsysguy      the same way you'd pass xml
17:16 slef           oh, callbacks?
17:16 seneca         I've set up a few cronjobs on the VM installation for running scripts for late notices, and other things... will those need to be brought over to the new server, or do the apt packages handle that stuff now?
17:16 libsysguy      like you said above
17:16 libsysguy      well you pass json
17:16 libsysguy      excellent
17:16 slef           libsysguy: hang on, how do you call cross-domain with json? (I could ask our jquery guru, but you're here now ;*) )
17:16 libsysguy      yup so you got it
17:15 libsysguy      mmm json tricks
17:15 slef           libsysguy: or use JSON and the tricks.
17:15 seneca         I will read ay messages then.  Thanks for the tip.
17:15 slef           libsysguy: well, if you want to call it cross-domain, either set them up on the same domain, ReverseProxy the API into the domain serving the javascript or use something better than javascript. ;-)
17:14 drojf          seneca: but you will be told about it when installing packages
17:14 libsysguy      :p
17:14 wahanui        well, yeah that is fine as it is
17:14 libsysguy      yeah that
17:14 drojf          seneca: items are stored diffently in newer versions. you don't throw them away, you just put them somewhere else. i forget whether that is needed from 3.2 to 3.4 or from 3.4 to >3.4
17:14 slef           libsysguy: the API just listens and acts on them. I think you're describing the problems javascript has accessing other domains?
17:14 seneca         I've read up on the debian install a bit, saw that "koha-common" is recommended over "koha"
17:14 libsysguy      right but the REST api that is passing them back and fourth does
17:13 slef           libsysguy: XML and json are just file formats. They don't call anything.
17:13 slef           libsysguy: XML and json are just file formats. They don
17:13 seneca         script to remove items?
17:13 slef           libsysguy: surely it's up to whoever configures things?
17:13 libsysguy      but json is easy
17:13 libsysguy      slef, the reason I bring it up is because doing cross domain calls is…difficult…with XML
17:13 slef           libsysguy: I'm confused by the question.
17:13 drojf          i would set up a debian server, install packages for 3.8.5, import data and run that script to remove items (whatever it is called)
17:12 wajasu         should he read up on koha-common packages?
17:12 drojf          heh
17:12 seneca         I guess when it worked, it became the production server
17:12 seneca         the VM was initially for a test...
17:11 seneca         it is
17:11 drojf          if that is a production system
17:11 drojf          yes it would
17:11 seneca         I'm wondering if at this point it would be better to roll out a new debian server and transfer koha over to it (install via apt, mv over the db)
17:11 drojf          i would assume that there may be 20 new dependencies since 3.4.4
17:10 seneca         HOWEVER...
17:10 seneca         yeah
17:10 drojf          seneca: you are upgrading a 3.4.4 in git to master?
17:09 seneca         koha_perl_deps claims that it needs every module...lists about 20 of them
17:09 libsysguy      like from website.library.org to catalog.library.org
17:09 slef           libsysguy: domain in which sense?
17:09 libsysguy      you may not know, I don't
17:09 seneca         After the last "git checkout master" I get error messages in the opac regarding missing modules and relates
17:08 libsysguy      or will it be cross domain
17:08 * drojf        is jealous. northern lights hide from me
17:08 libsysguy      will it be all on the same domain
17:08 * slef         hides
17:08 libsysguy      as far as passing xml around
17:08 libsysguy      hey I had a question about you're reply do the devel list
17:08 * magnuse      saw the full moon and some northern lights a couple nights ago
17:08 slef           libsysguy: ?
17:08 drojf          thanks :)
17:08 magnuse        drojf: good luck! :-)
17:07 seneca         went to do an upgrade today, using the same process/steps as I have before, and it seems that it loses all the perl modules
17:07 seneca         it's at 3.4.4 now
17:07 seneca         I initially used the VM that was available at one point, and have been using git to upgrade it periodically
17:07 oleonard       seneca: Not unless you ask your question ;)
17:06 drojf          magnuse: thanks, i'll have a look. and i bet i find something cool ;)
17:06 seneca         Howdy all - anyone able to help me with an upgrade dilemma?
17:05 magnuse        so 008 pos 6 = a might mean adults in marc21 and children in normarc - that sort of thing
17:05 wajasu         khall: i don't think we need another patch for 8253.  i was able to apply it cleanly to master, and put a comment that someone needs to QA against master after 3.8.x
17:04 magnuse        oh yes, and some of the codes in 007 and 008 (or thereabouts) have different meaning
17:04 magnuse        :-)
17:04 magnuse        and there is nothing cool about it
17:04 magnuse        see here: http://normarc4koha.collib.info/nvsm/
17:03 magnuse        there are something like 9 fields in normarc that are not in marc21
17:03 magnuse        normarc is *mostly* a subset of marc21
17:03 drojf          yup
17:02 magnuse        drojf still around?
17:01 libsysguy      grace days :-/
17:01 libsysguy      I actually figured out why I wasn't getting fines but seeing it in the logs
17:01 libsysguy      also wajasu, thanks for the later
17:00 libsysguy      yo slef you around?
16:28 wajasu         khall: the first patch for 8253, needs to be applied to master for folks going from <3.8 to master+.  can you add that as well?  or should we create a new bug targetting master? if we get the fix in for 3.10+ the dup removal script is not needed in those versions.
16:28 wizzyrea       hehe
16:28 drojf          but they must have some differences and i bet it's something cool. like a field to classify northern lights
16:14 wizzyrea       iirc normarc is really close to marc21
15:33 drojf          magnuse: is there a diff of marc21 and normarc available somewhere? i suppose there are not too much differences?
15:09 kf             bye all
15:05 gaetan_B       bye !
14:39 khall          wajasu, patch submitted. I used your file name, but I put it in misc/maintenance
14:30 wajasu         just rename it something more discernable.  that will withstand being in the misc/migration_tools  and not collide with future fines/accountlines scripts.
14:27 khall          yeah, that makes sense
14:27 wajasu         thats what i'm testing against.
14:27 wajasu         khall: should that bug be targetting Version: rel_3_8  ?
14:23 wajasu         ok.  might as well since i have this environment set up.  and its easier to test it as part of the 8253 bug at the end.
14:22 khall          ok, I'll go ahead an convert it to a patch and submit it.
14:21 wajasu         khall: it will probably be handy for a vendor when they are in the midst of a migration and after the 1st nights run, dups!  they can just run what is in the enviroment.  without having to find and transport it to the environment.  but ask rangi or someone else later.  I'll signoff on the script as working now.
14:19 mtompset       Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone. :)
14:14 khall          wajasu, I had not planned for it to be commited to the codebase. I was thinking we could just make it available from bugzilla for those who need it. If you want it in the codebase, I can fix it up and submit it as a patch.
14:12 wizzyrea       that's the goal :)
14:12 wajasu         khall:  your remove_dups.pl script for fines.  i need guidance.  1) where should we put it?   misc/migration_tools?   2) what should we call it? fix_accountlines_rmdupfines_bug8253.pl?  it passes perlcritic, do we need copyright? pod?
14:07 mtompset       As long as the story ends happily with you working full force on Koha. ;)
14:06 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  New ByWater Author Pages http://t.co/idAvGNlk"
14:00 wizzyrea       it's a long story :)
13:58 mtompset       terrified?
13:57 wizzyrea       (but manageably so)
13:57 wizzyrea       terrified.
13:57 wizzyrea       *nod*
13:56 kf             excited?
13:56 * wajasu       testing fines dedup script
13:56 kf             :)
13:56 wizzyrea       i'm sorry to have been so absent lately - I'll be back full force soon. :)
13:56 kf             <big hug back>
13:55 kf             yay!
13:55 wizzyrea       kf! <big hug>
13:54 kf             hi wizzyrea and oleonard :)
13:49 oleonard       Hi wizzyrea
13:48 wizzyrea       :)
13:48 wizzyrea       <time of day>
13:10 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "New ByWater Author Pages http://t.co/3m8jHyE5 #kohails"
13:03 trea           kia ora magnuse!
12:35 magnuse        kia ora trea!
12:29 mtompset       I think he's understanding that there are multiple ways to install, and packages in best under Ubuntu. Though, perhaps I read too much into the email.
12:28 mtompset       On a positive note, I have emailed back and forth with the LiveCD/DVD person about installation instructions.
12:28 magnuse        none, i'm just preparing for the worst :-)
12:27 jcamins        magnuse: uh-oh. What crazy thing have you just encountered?
12:27 huginn         magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:27 magnuse        @quote get 123
12:27 wahanui        i already had it that way, huginn.
12:27 huginn         magnuse: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
12:27 magnuse        @get quote 123
12:20 mtompset       Greetings, oleonard. :)
12:19 oleonard       Hi #koha
12:11 mtompset       I think we did a good job building our national rep in the world wars.
12:10 mtompset       And I doubt Canada wishes to go back to either.
12:09 mtompset       Though, I don't think France would take Quebec back.
12:09 mtompset       Ah, well considering that the English and French both were parental countries, perhaps. ;)
12:09 jcamins        fredericd: if you're able to that would be helpful.
12:08 slef           mtompset: suggesting it's part of both England and France ;)
12:08 mtompset       Sorry, I don't get that reference, slef.
12:07 slef           mtompset: Canada is the 49th county and 101st departement, isn't it?
12:06 fredericd      I have to ask authorization. Or create some myself, which is another story
12:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8870 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , UNIMARC authorities search doesn't display properly information
12:04 jcamins        fredericd: is there any chance you could attach a file with some good UNIMARC authorities to bug 8870?
12:03 fredericd      jcamins: hi
11:59 slef           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_Act_2003#Controversy
11:58 mtompset       I thought Canada was the 51st state. ;)
11:57 slef           mtompset: well, the US can currently extradite any UK resident without much resistance.  The Mutual(haha!) Legal Assistance Treaty seems to have made us the 51st state... and not like in the film.
11:56 slef           [off] pretty sure I'm allowed to mention the current result... probably should have put off in it... ahem
11:56 slef           not sure the poll is public... I've a login for the site concerned
11:55 slef           poll of UK
11:55 jcamins        fredericd: around?
11:53 mtompset       Only slef can clarify... unless we can find the poll in question.
11:52 magnuse        s/magnuse would worry more about the 25%//
11:52 mtompset       There's a chance I did too.
11:52 magnuse        gah
11:52 magnuse        ah, i probably misunderstood then
11:52 mtompset       Yes, but was the poll of UKians, or USians? My understanding was UKians. In which case, why would they care?
11:51 magnuse        because they don't care?
11:51 mtompset       Nice one, drojf. ;)
11:51 mtompset       Why worry about the 25%?
11:50 drojf          i thought they were supposed to vote for wikileaks :P
11:50 * magnuse      would worry more about the 25%
11:47 mtompset       Sadly, slef, those 6% are dreaming. :(
11:16 slef           pretty accurate reflection of sentiment over here...
11:16 slef           USians, I just saw this web straw poll from a GfK UK website: "Which candidate do you hope wins America's presidential election?" Barack Obama 61%, Mitt Romney 8%, Someone else 6%, I don't care 25%.
10:21 kf_mtg         asleep i would think
10:19 wahanui        ^^ is, like, always wizzyrea's concern, weird stuff could happen
10:19 slef           rangi: ^^ ?
10:18 slef           can someone set georgew@latahlibrary.org on koha.lists.katipo to nomail  please?
09:59 magnuse        thanks :-)
09:58 drojf          then i'll ignore that for the bug
09:58 drojf          ok
09:58 magnuse        drojf: yeah, some things are floating to the right? it's on my list of things to look at...
09:55 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8793 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix materialTypeCode/typeOf008 icons for NORMARC XSLT
09:55 drojf          magnuse: i tried bug 8793 and it looks like opac detail is somewhat screwed up for normarc? (not related to your patch it seems)
09:43 mveron         :-)
09:43 mveron         ...and hi rangi
09:42 rangi          hi mveron
09:42 mveron         hi drojf
09:42 drojf          hi mveron :)
09:42 mveron         Hi #koha
09:38 rangi          yep
09:38 drojf          would want even
09:37 drojf          yes. i would not want to go through all my sysprefs after an update, i would my system to work as before by default
09:36 rangi          annoying
09:35 drojf          but it is on for me
09:35 huginn         04Bug 7470: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Babeltheque improvement and social networks links (like, +1,...)
09:35 drojf          like paul_p said here http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7470#c16
09:35 rangi          oh really? normally our rule is no new features on by default
09:33 mtompset       social networks enabled by default?
09:32 drojf          hi mtompset
09:32 drojf          SocialNetworks_enabled_by_default--
09:27 drojf          why would there be a google+1 script trying to load in my opac detail in master?
09:23 mtompset       Finally. The internet came back.
09:04 drojf          :)
09:04 magnuse        not any longer
09:04 drojf          heh
09:04 drojf          it still says "5"
09:03 magnuse        still says "5 Oldest bugs" though ;-)
09:03 magnuse        rangi++
09:03 magnuse        yay
09:03 rangi          and 10 of them
09:02 rangi          there we go, its not showing enhancements now
08:51 magnuse        yay
08:51 rangi          yep can do
08:48 magnuse        rangi: could it be possible to split the "Needs Signoff" part of the dashboard into enh and "real" bugs? guess we should be focussing on the bugs by now...
08:33 mtompset       Greetings, Brooke_
08:32 Brooke_        hi mtompset
08:27 mtompset       Greetings, kf.
07:53 wahanui        magnuse: I forgot feature
07:53 magnuse        wahanui: forget the feature
07:53 * kf           nods
07:51 rangi          yep
07:51 rangi          the change to hide the biblio
07:51 wahanui        rumour has it the feature is from the time biblios.net was still alive
07:51 kf             rangi: the feature?
07:51 rangi          so yeah too late now
07:51 rangi          (its been there since about feb)
07:50 * magnuse      did that to a thousand threads after the summer holiday and some procrastination
07:49 rangi          :)
07:48 kf             ok, I have 250 bugs list mails ... I am going to mark them read without reading them, trusting that others did ... hopefully :)
07:47 kf             as we didn't - we can't just rip it out now
07:47 kf             I can understand the cound being a problem, but we should have thoguht about that before introducing the feature
07:47 kf             I agree
07:46 wahanui        imho is, like, in wizzyrea's humble opinion
07:46 rangi          imho anyway
07:46 rangi          surely the count being wrong is far less of a problem than suddenly showing things that are supposed to be hidden
07:45 rangi          there marked it in discussion
07:43 rangi          that will make things that were previously hidden now show
07:43 rangi          ah yes
07:43 kf             thx
07:43 rangi          reading the patch now
07:42 kf             but that's why I was loking for mtj earlier
07:42 kf             I thought about marking in discussion
07:42 kf             drojf, rangi: maybe add a good/bad idea to the bug to get some more votes against?
07:42 magnuse        who will mark is failed qa?
07:42 kf             yep exactly
07:41 rangi          hey drojf
07:40 drojf          hey rangi
07:39 rangi          i agree
07:39 drojf          hmm that patch sure sounds wrong. i would be not amused if i relied on that feature and it suddenly stops working
07:36 kf             btw - numbers for koha in lib-web-cats are up from 1428 october 11 to 1750 today :)
07:35 kf             making records suddenly reappear seems not good to me - if I didn't misunderstand
07:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8462 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , OpacHiddenItems and hidelostitems hide items, but query result count is off
07:35 kf             I thought I could catch mtj maybe on bug 8462 - I am worried about this change
07:34 drojf          :)
07:34 kf             :)
07:34 kf             good morning #koha and drojf
07:34 kf             heh
07:34 drojf          and a wondeful good morning to you too kf :P
07:32 kf             mtj: around?
07:23 matts          hi !
07:13 mtompset       magandang hapon po, francharb. ;) -- That was Tagalog for good afternoon <politeness marker>. :)
07:13 drojf          hi magnuse and mtompset
07:12 francharb      bonjour #koha
07:12 mtompset       Greetings, drojf. Every time I see your name, I think dwarf.
07:12 magnuse        kia ora drojf
07:12 drojf          good day #koha
07:11 magnuse        mtompset: cause the mind works in mysterious ways...
07:09 reiveune       haha
07:09 mtompset       Sorry if I missed anyone. I'm not really paying too much attention. :)
07:09 reiveune       salut mtompset :)
07:09 mtompset       Salut, reiveune et sophie_m :)
07:08 mtompset       Greetings, marcelr gaetan_B magnuse
07:08 mtompset       Why were you thinking that, magnuse?
07:06 magnuse        that's what i was thinking about :-)
07:06 wahanui        i guess cory doctorow is not a real Doctor.
07:06 magnuse        cory doctorow?
07:05 marcelr        hi gaetan_B
07:04 wahanui        privet, gaetan_B
07:04 gaetan_B       hello
07:04 marcelr        hi #koha
07:04 mtompset       eythian++ # great attention to potential licensing issues.
07:04 mtompset       Ah, copyright and permissions issues.
07:03 mtompset       Greetings, everyone. What did eythian think ahead on?
06:56 reiveune       salut Brooke_ :)
06:55 Brooke_        hi reiveune
06:54 reiveune       hello
06:52 Brooke_        :)
06:48 magnuse        hiya Brooke_
06:38 Brooke_        bonjour juian
06:37 julian_m       hello
06:35 eythian        magnuse: oh ah
06:34 * magnuse      was thinking about teaching wahanui :-)
06:31 wahanui        hello, alex_a
06:31 alex_a         que tal, wahanui
06:31 wahanui        que tal, alex_a
06:31 alex_a         bonjour
06:29 eythian        to be fair, it's more that dh-make-perl spits up a big warning :)
06:29 magnuse        eythian++ for thinking ahead :-)
06:28 magnuse        kia ora #koha!
05:28 Brooke_        0/
03:56 eythian        It could be important one day.
03:56 mtompset       Why did you teach wahanui that, eythian?
03:37 wahanui        OK, eythian.
03:37 eythian        wahanui: Cory Doctorow is not a real Doctor.
03:37 wahanui        eythian: what?
03:37 eythian        wahanui: Cory Doctorow
02:20 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
02:02 eythian        really? because it's lower in the classification sources admin screen.
01:58 mtj            pass, tho convert to UPPER if poss, i think
01:48 eythian        does Koha care about the case in cn_source?
01:38 jcamins_away   No, that last one was the bug.
01:38 jcamins_away   lol
01:32 mtj            hmm, is that actually your cat on teh keybored again, pretending to be you... :/
01:28 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , can't import authorities
01:28 jcamins_away   Bug 8829
01:27 jcamins_away   I have no idea.
01:27 jcamins_away   *Wait
01:27 jcamins_away   WAit, no.
01:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record  ($9 RLIN)
01:27 jcamins_away   bug 8823
01:27 jcamins_away   Ummm...
01:26 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8832 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , can't enter a tax rate on vendor or when ordering
01:26 jcamins_away   bug 8832
01:26 jcamins_away   Lemme find it.
01:25 jcamins_away   Oh, those warns.
01:23 mtj            i want to apply it, the warns in the log are bugging me :)
01:23 mtj            heh, yeah i did…
01:22 jcamins_away   mtj: you QAed it.
01:04 mtj            what was yr patch was that fixed the annoying warns, from my PBP patch?
01:04 mtj            jcamins_away, ping...