Time  Nick           Message
00:09 wajasu         fyi: apache-shared-intranet.conf   i was looking to see if things are available and noticed:   ls: cannot access /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/search.pl: No such file or directory
00:09 wajasu         this is tcohen's koha-common.deb
00:10 wajasu         but this is another issue maybe.
00:10 wajasu         ScriptAlias for /search in intranet.
00:17 jcamins        wajasu: I don't know what is going on with that.
00:19 eythian        wajasu: sudo koha-enable dog?
00:33 wajasu         i remove dthe dog and created cat and did koha-enable.  its working.
00:39 wajasu         ok. the webinstaller is running.  it complained about wanting Template::Plugin::HtmlToText  though
00:39 wajasu         maybe he left that out of the deps
00:41 eythian        it's a relatively new addition
00:43 wajasu         ok.  i'll just note it in the bug, that he needs to add the dep.
00:44 eythian        well, if he's testing something else he doesn't, it's in the core packages.
00:47 wajasu         so thats not his responsibility?  having it in debian.packages or whatever drives the koha-common deps?
00:47 jcamins        wajasu: right. That has nothing to do with him.
00:47 jcamins        I think there's already a patch for it, too.
00:48 wajasu         ok. ill just note my findings and signoff
00:52 jcamins        Is it morning again already and no one told me?!?
00:52 eythian        no, it's just afternoon.
00:53 jcamins        eythian: then how do you explain oleonard's presence?
00:53 eythian        magic.
00:53 oleonard       8:50AM, time to start work!
00:53 jcamins        Maybe Ohio has seceded and is now 180 degrees out of phase with the rest of us.
00:55 eythian        the rest of you. From my point of view, they seceded long ago.
00:57 * oleonard     always ends up doing about half an hour of yak-shaving when working from his seldom-used VM at home
00:57 jcamins        oleonard: why on earth are you working at this hour?
00:57 oleonard       Got a bee in my bonnet
00:57 oleonard       Why on earth are *you* working at this hour?
00:58 jcamins        oleonard: uhhh...
00:58 * jcamins      checks.
00:58 jcamins        Aren't I usually?
00:58 * oleonard     wouldn't know :P
00:59 oleonard       Actually it seems like you work at all hours
01:00 jcamins        Pretty much.
01:01 jcamins        Being a business owner has its disadvantages.
01:03 oleonard       Yeah, that's how kados got to be #1 in IRC stats
01:04 jcamins        Hehe.
01:04 * jcamins      is actually going to stop working now.
01:04 jcamins        For a bit.
01:09 wajasu         io had to add NamedVirtualHost: 8080  and Listen:8080 to ports.conf   to get the staff client to work for the .deb  so i guess i must fail it.   or is he going to gen a new one?
01:09 jcamins_away   wajasu: that has nothing to do with what you're testing.
01:09 wajasu         good.
01:09 jcamins_away   That is just the way packages work.
01:09 eythian        wajasu: normally people don't use 8080 for the packages
01:10 jcamins_away   If you want a non-standard Apache configuration, you need to configure it yourself.
01:10 eythian        if you want to use 8080, you have to know how to tell that to apache
01:10 wajasu         so where does the staff cleint default to these days?
01:11 eythian        :80
01:11 eythian        but on a different virtual host
01:11 wajasu         its combined now?
01:11 pastebot       "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "perl -wc" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/211
01:11 wajasu         maybe its the warning about the overlap that threw me off.
01:12 mtj            does anyone know what thats about? ^^
01:12 eythian        wajasu: you probably misconfigured something then, basically they end up on different hostnames.
01:12 eythian        assuming you set up /etc/koha-sites.conf correctly
01:13 wajasu         i didn't have koha-sites.conf  or the DNS  env vars stuff.
01:13 mtj            lots of 'Subroutine XXX redefined at C4/XXX.pm line XXX.' warns...
01:13 eythian        wajasu: yeah, that'll be why
01:13 eythian        I really need to make it ask those questions at install time.
01:17 wajasu         so i guess i'll just apply the patch to master and signoff as usual trusting his deb.
01:19 mtj            hmm, its seems to be all subs() in Reserves.pm have the weird 'redefined' warning :/
01:36 wajasu         something with that Exporter?
01:39 wajasu         maybe the   require Exporter;      should be outside the BEGIN?  like Search.pm has
01:39 wajasu         just grabbing at straws.
01:42 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @Ngaideckard: "Some handy #kohails tutorials - http://t.co/ffuLQT3I"
01:44 mtj            oooh, nice, weborange just corrected/updated their koha lists -> http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/project/lists.koha-community.org
01:44 mtj            Discussion list for the Koha Library system (Recent threads) koha.lists.katipo.co.nz
01:44 oleonard       Oh by the way, the owner of the Koha Live CD project on Sourceforge pulled the file
01:44 oleonard       http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivecd/
01:44 eythian        oh, good
01:44 rgbv           hi all
01:45 mtj            oleonard, awesome news
01:46 mtj            heya rgbv
01:47 rangi          wow oleonard is still around!
01:47 oleonard       Not still but again
01:47 rangi          ahh
01:48 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
01:49 rgbv           I want to add a span class to the status in the opac full bib view, looking for the right .tt to modify but I can't see it...
01:49 oleonard       Which status rgbv ?
01:49 oleonard       Editing the template isn't recommended, unless you're planning to submit a patch
01:50 rgbv           usually Available, On loan ...
01:50 oleonard       Is your goal to have a different style for each status?
01:51 rgbv           I want to use jquery to alter wording to , say On order for items that are on order
01:52 oleonard       rgbv, you should be able to do that by setting authorised values in the staff client
01:52 rangi          not really oleonard
01:52 oleonard       (although adding classes to that section would also be a worthwhile development)
01:52 oleonard       No, rangi?
01:52 rangi          because it needs to still be available, but say on order
01:52 rangi          ie they still want to be able to place holds on it
01:53 oleonard       http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=269398
01:53 rangi          if you use lost or one of those statuses with authorised values to mark it on order
01:53 rangi          then it cant have holds
01:53 rangi          and you can place a hold on that?
01:53 oleonard       Yes
01:54 rangi          cos that not for loan field
01:54 rangi          used to totally stop that
01:54 * oleonard     double-checks how we set it up
01:55 oleonard       If the NOT_LOAN authorised value has a negative value (in our this case, -1), it is available for holds
01:55 rgbv           ahhh
01:55 rgbv           let me test that :)
01:56 rangi          cool, that didnt used to happen, it used to be if it was non zero it was blocked for everything, i must have missed that change
01:57 oleonard       Yeah that was a pretty important feature for us to have
01:59 rgbv           great, that works a charm, you've made my day ;)
01:59 oleonard       Happy to have prevented an unnecessary template modification :)
02:00 * oleonard     still thinks we could toss in some more spans and classes there for customization anyway
02:00 rangi          yep
02:01 jcamins_away   But note that -2 is a magic number.
02:02 oleonard       ?
02:02 jcamins_away   for NOT_LOAN.
02:02 jcamins_away   -2 does something magical.
02:03 jcamins_away   I don't remember what.
02:03 jcamins_away   But I do remember that it will not work as you expect.
02:06 oleonard       Hmmm... Allows holds, allows checkout.
02:07 * oleonard     leaves again... can't do this late-night thing like the youngsters :P
02:07 rangi          -2 doesnt feature in Circulation.pm
02:08 jcamins_away   Lovely. The casting company has no idea when or where Shari is supposed to show up, but thinks it'll probably be in the morning.
02:09 rangi          helpful
02:09 jcamins_away   Especially if it's 6am out in Brooklyn.
02:10 mtompset       casting company? Is your wife an aspiring actress?
02:10 jcamins_away   mtompset: no, but she's been extra-ing.
02:10 mtompset       Ah... cool.
02:11 * jcamins_away would not make a good extra.
02:11 * jcamins_away expects professionalism from everyone he works with.
02:12 jcamins_away   Not knowing at 2200 hours if you they want you to leave for work at 0400 hours is something that only happens if you are dealing with *exceedingly* unprofessional individuals.
02:12 jcamins_away   s/you they/they/
02:18 mib_4v1tbr     .
02:22 eythian        http://i.imgur.com/CMOGT.jpg
02:23 eythian        (it's apparently actually an ad for an e-book seller, but this'd be neat with free/pd/etc books)
02:23 rangi          yep
02:26 jcamins_away   ,
02:27 * jcamins_away leaves again, having contributed to the conversation.
02:27 rangi          heh
02:41 mtompset       Cool link, eythian.
03:43 Brooke_        o/
03:44 rangi          hi Brooke_
03:44 Brooke_        kia ora
03:47 eythian        wow, you're on a jetstream connection. I didn't know they still existed.
03:48 mtompset       jetstream connection?
03:48 mtompset       Greetings, Brooke_
03:49 eythian        It was a DSL brand by the major ISP here back in the early-mid 2000's.
03:50 eythian        Known for its blazing 128k down speeds and uncapped national traffic.
03:50 eythian        Though that was a long time ago, I expect it's somewhat better now.
03:51 Brooke_        free interwebs ftw :D
04:33 wajasu         just set up apt-cacher-ng on my archlinux.  booted my debian vm and configured sources.list with my apt-cacher-ng and passthru.  apt-get update, and apt-get install koha-common. its pulling...
04:33 rangi          Hehe I saw that email coming
04:35 wajasu         done.  now to try another vm build but pulling from that apt cache to see if its faster than debian.koha-community.org
05:23 drojf          cool, there is a live-cd fanbase
05:29 mtj            hmm, the dselect thread is getting a little trolly
05:46 mtompset       trolly?
05:48 mtompset       mtj: How is the thread trolly?
05:48 mtompset       I don't think there is anything terribly trolly.
05:49 mtompset       drojf: They mostly seem to be in India.
05:50 mtompset       Probably because of poor internet connectivity.
05:50 drojf          from the reasoning it's more poor technical skills
05:52 mtompset       But you don't gain technical skills unless you try.
05:53 mtompset       Because of mtj's trolly comment, I decided against replying with why packages are better than a livecd.
05:54 magnuse        kia ora #koha!
05:54 mtompset       greetings, magnuse.
05:54 magnuse        hiya mtompset
05:54 drojf          that's right. but if you have an easy way that seems ok in a short term, you my stay with that for longer than you should instead of learning how it really works. that's one way to do it.
05:54 drojf          hei magnuse
05:54 magnuse        hi drojf
05:55 mtompset       actually, though the maintainer of the named livecd still supports it. He doesn't release as often as Koha.
05:55 mtompset       bug fixes slower = bad. :(
05:56 drojf          3.8.2. sounds great until they use fines
05:57 mtompset       download livecd 600+MB vs. packages 40+MB ... bad.
05:57 mtompset       (yes, the first time they do packages, there will be 400+MB libraries, but still)
05:59 mtompset       livecd supprt (limited to issuer/users of livecd) vs. packages (a wider group of people)... less support = bad.
06:08 magnuse        o/
06:08 druthb         Hi, magnuse.  :)
06:10 druthb         Since cait isn't here to tell me to go to bed...   guess i don't have to.  :P
06:11 magnuse        get some sleep druthb :-)
06:11 rangi          magnuse: https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/9/28/EtwhtsrWEkil2nQm0Bb3XQ2.jpg
06:11 druthb         @later tell cait :P  1 am and I'm still up....
06:11 huginn         druthb: The operation succeeded.
06:12 magnuse        rangi: h**l yeah!
06:12 druthb         Hi rangi.  :)
06:12 magnuse        that's a monument to commemorate some viking battle
06:14 magnuse        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverd_i_fjell
06:15 rangi          :)
06:25 drojf          [off] i wonder if cait will like the fake flyer i made for that open end workshop… http://abunchofthings.net/koha/workshop_fake_flyer.png
06:26 magnuse        hehe that sure looks like a cool ils!
06:27 drojf          i thought that would appeal to norwegians! ;)
06:27 mtompset       [off] drojf: pretty good, but why is koha and the lettering blurred?
06:28 mtompset       [off] drojf: I like the blurring on the moon part to get the logo in. ;)
06:44 mtompset       bonjour, laurence et paul_p. :)
06:46 paul_p         bonjour mtompset
06:47 laurence       bonjour mtompset
06:53 reiveune       hello
06:53 wahanui        niihau, reiveune
06:53 mtompset       Greetings, reiveune. ;)
06:54 reiveune       salut mtompset
06:54 mtompset       Greetings, sturmtruppen.
06:54 * mtompset     high fives reiveune. :)
06:56 sturmtruppen   hi everyone
06:57 magnuse        kia ora cait!
06:59 cait           hi magnuse :)
06:59 cait           hi matts :)
06:59 matts          hi !
07:00 druthb         Hi cait.
07:00 * druthb       hides
07:00 cait           hm could have sworn I saw druthb
07:00 julian_m       hello
07:01 druthb         Hehe
07:01 cait           hi julian_m
07:04 drojf          [off] hey cait, look what i made ;) http://abunchofthings.net/koha/workshop_fake_flyer.png
07:05 cait           at night... it's a bit spooky hehe
07:05 * magnuse      finds extracting marc records from a 2.2.x database dump file harder than expected
07:06 drojf          magnuse: importing did not work?
07:15 WaqarAzeem     hi! someone know why Image is missing from patron page in v3.08. see here: http://i.imgur.com/l5oK6.png
07:15 francharb      good morning #koha
07:22 mtompset       Greetings, francharb.
07:22 mtompset       Hmmm... Can template toolkit have concatentation errors?!
07:22 mtompset       opac-detail.pl: Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-detail.tt line 748.
07:23 rangi          warning, not error
07:23 rangi          and yes it can
07:23 mtompset       Though, I must admit to adding some code in that loops.
07:23 mtompset       Yes, warning. Sorry.
07:24 rangi          WaqarAzeem: does the user have the permission set?
07:32 magnuse        drojf: yeah, i got it into mysql after a looong time, now there are encoding problems
07:37 * magnuse      hates encodings
07:40 WaqarAzeem     @rangi is there any specific right? btw i have set all the permission And i also have tired from kohaadmin.
07:40 huginn         WaqarAzeem: downloading the Perl source
07:42 WaqarAzeem     Is there any working online demo copy (nighly build) of v3.08 where can i check it.
07:43 mtompset       magnuse: encoding problems?
07:43 magnuse        mtompset: yeah, things like vård
07:44 mtompset       That doesn't look like valid Norwegian. :)
07:45 magnuse        nope :-)
08:33 * mtompset     is going into a meeting.
08:33 mtompset       Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone. :)
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08:50 mveron         Hi #koha
09:17 mveron         @later tell nengard the age restriction info in the manual is very clear. I have nothing to add or comment about it.   Thank you very much. :-)
09:17 huginn         mveron: The operation succeeded.
09:17 mveron         nengard ++
09:41 fredericd      jcamins_away: drop me a line when you're available. Authority display is broken for UNIMARC in 3.8
10:42 drojf          clrh: the link to the documentation does not work in the english version of your drupal opac module posting. it works fine in the french version.
10:45 clrh           thanks drojf I correct it :)
10:45 clrh           fix
10:45 drojf          :)
10:46 clrh           done, thanks a lot drojf
10:47 drojf          you're welcome :)
10:48 jcamins_away   fredericd: in 3.8?
10:48 drojf          magnuse: d'oh, that does not look nice
10:49 magnuse        drojf: there is probably a proper way to fix it, but i took the short road and a did a lot of s/Â¥/å/g :-)
10:50 drojf          hehe, i hope you caught everything
10:51 fredericd      jcamins: yes in 3.8
10:52 fredericd      Several issues language codes support, broader/narrower forms, etc.
10:52 fredericd      I will submit a patch, not impacting MARC21
10:52 fredericd      which bug number?
10:52 wahanui        well, which bug number is it?
10:53 jcamins        fredericd: could you file a new bug for it, so that the patches don't get lost?
10:53 jcamins        And, any chance you could attach some sample authorities to that bug, so that I can sign off?
10:53 jcamins        I tested with UNIMARC, but I created my own authorities.
10:53 jcamins        Probably incorrectly.
10:56 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
10:56 drojf          hi mtompset. i was just looking at the remastersys website too ;)
10:57 mtompset       It would seem that the person generating the live cd/dvds didn't keep looking.
10:58 mtompset       This whole live cd/dvd thing has got me thinking about how much should the librarian user need to understand about the koha installation.
10:59 mtompset       I'm torn between ease of use and focusing on koha training, and making sure they understand how to duplicate an installation.
11:01 drojf          if an experienced person does not keep up to date with the software he uses to create these cds, how can he expect users of a livecd to do so with the cd later.
11:02 drojf          it's fine for training, to have a look etc. if you are aware that it is a snapshot for just that
11:02 mtompset       I don't think he points that out though.
11:02 drojf          it does not seem like people understand that. it seems more like people think "yeah, it just works" and use it forever
11:03 mtompset       And it would seem, based on the email I just read... that he thinks it is okay.
11:04 jcamins        mtompset: well, *he* doesn't provide any support at all.
11:04 drojf          and, yes, i think for a library to use a highly specialized software product, there needs to be someone with technical skills present. either on site or outside support. you cannot expect something like that to just work with zero knowledge. what are we all doing here? why are there companies providing support if it's just a few clicks? it's not the way it works and you would not expect that from other software products
11:05 drojf          it's not like it is impossible to master koha for all day use. but you have to know that you have to work on it, not just pop a cd in a computer
11:05 magnuse        well, we do expect that from desktop software...
11:06 magnuse        so people need to understand that koha is not a simple desktop program
11:08 jcamins        [off] /me thinks the problem would be fixed by a Google Group... :P
11:08 drojf          yes, that is the point. it's not a browser or whatever. and even a browser is complicated for some people if they have little rechnical knowledge. but koha as a professional, sophisticated special purpose software is nothing for an enduser to just play with (but s/he could, if technical skills are present)
11:08 drojf          [off] lol jcamins
11:09 drojf          i think that is something people expect because its free software. everybody can use it. but that does not mean everybody is able to use it and that seems hard to understand
11:10 drojf          and trowing livecds at people is really not helping with that
11:10 mtompset       [off] Are you trying to kill me with laughter, jcamins?
11:10 jcamins        [off] No, I'm serious mtompset. The non-technical users could coulse a Google Group to troubleshoot their misconfigured Zebra.
11:11 drojf          [off] actually, it may really fix the whole livecd problem. for us.
11:11 mtompset       jcamins: You're right he doesn't provide support. :(
11:12 mtompset       We only have three paid support companies in India.
11:12 mtompset       (on the list)
11:13 mtompset       [off] How would that help them? It would seem like the blind leading the blind to me.
11:13 drojf          mtompset: i suppose we also have a lot of libraries without money for that in india
11:14 jcamins        [off] In Mary Poppins when they closed their eyes and clicked their heels together they fell into a sidewalk painting!
11:15 drojf          ok the "workshop and testing" thing is blown… "I know many college libraries in Kerala with above 50000 records successfully running on Koha Live CD."
11:15 drojf          i should propose that to my library, we have less records
11:15 mtompset       That's my point, drojf. That's NOT supposed to be the case.
11:15 * jcamins      has nothing against using livecds that *work* in production.
11:16 jcamins        But 100% of my experience with livecds has been negative.
11:16 jcamins        (Koha livecds)
11:16 drojf          i never tried to use a livecd in production. i could make some for our workshop :)
11:17 drojf          instead of doing an installation workshop ;) just hand out the livecd and send everyone home
11:18 jcamins        drojf: if you do that, *you* are answering all their questions about Zebra.
11:19 drojf          [off] i will, in my google group
11:19 mtompset       Now drojf! Actually, if the LiveCD is like the Ubuntu LiveCD and let's you actually install a proper standard installation, that wouldn't be so bad... but this doesn't seem to be the case.
11:20 drojf          if the livecd would destroy itself after two months and make you either get a newer one or install koha from deb packages, that wouldn't be so bad
11:21 mtompset       Actually, if the livecd installed on your computer as if you installed from packages, that would be good. ;)
11:22 mtompset       Do the install, throw the CD away... boot normally into Koha. :)
11:22 cait           hi #koha
11:22 drojf          it could just display the up to date "install with packages" wiki page
11:22 drojf          until you follow that
11:22 mtompset       Greetings, cait.
11:22 drojf          hi cait :)
11:23 jcamins        I wonder if it would be possible to do a install-to-desktop livecd using packages.
11:25 mtompset       Hypothetically, it should be.
11:25 jcamins        mtompset: reasonably, I mean.
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11:29 mtompset       When I return to Canada, buy my dream machine, and *if* I can find financial partners, this would be something I'd like to test.
11:30 jcamins        mtompset: you should test it on your netbook. :P
11:30 mtompset       Uh, no. :P
11:34 drojf          [off] i have kindly crafted this flowchart http://abunchofthings.net/koha/flowchart.png
11:35 jcamins        [off] Thank you. That clarifies things for me.
11:36 mtompset       drojf++ # love the humour.
11:36 mtompset       Did you just notice the +1 in the mailing list?
11:36 drojf          mtompset: so you are volunteering to be future livecd manager?
11:36 drojf          i noticed
11:37 drojf          also i noticed it said nothing about using it in production
11:37 mtompset       Are you volunteering to make donations on my behalf to Wycliffe Germany? ;)
11:38 drojf          mtompset: as an atheist, no :P
11:39 mtompset       I can respect that.
11:39 drojf          :)
11:40 mtompset       What do you mean it didn't say anything about using it in production... "and so on" :P
11:41 drojf          uh. you're right :(
11:41 mtompset       Sometimes I am. :)
11:42 mtompset       Actually... another pet project I'd like to look at in Koha on Windows. ;)
11:42 mtompset       Though, I think one of the Chris' will advise me to abandon such madness.
11:44 drojf          hm. i am quite happy that people have to consider a real OS to use koha. i would not want to give them back the idea that a server should run on windows
11:45 drojf          also that would bring us a lot more google groups than we can handle
11:46 drojf          apart from that, from what i have heard it is madness ;)
11:52 mtompset       cpan all the way, baby. ;)
11:52 mtompset       I know... React O/S... it's free and graphical. ;)
11:56 drojf          it would probably make more sense for a free and open source library system to be available on non-debian-based linux distributions before more people fall in the battle with/against windows
11:57 drojf          but if you insist on something even harder… your choice ;)
11:58 mtompset       Actually, to be more realistic RPMs were higher on the list.
12:00 drojf          i have a friend that loves opensuse and insists that all is very easy with the suse build system (or what it is called). no idea if that would help with koha
12:00 jcamins        dcook uses Koha on OpenSuSE.
12:01 drojf          we also started with open suse from a tarball, but i made it give us debian to use the packages
12:02 drojf          made IT
12:02 drojf          jcamins: but not building rpm packages?
12:02 mtompset       I was hoping to aim at CentOS. :)
12:03 drojf          mtompset: i know a library in my area that would be very happy
12:03 drojf          they might end up with a debian after the workshop though :)
12:03 mtompset       That's a future dream right now, drojf. :)
12:04 mtompset       I just looked at Vil's website... he points to a third party's Ubuntu installation. :(
12:04 jcamins        Who is Vil?
12:05 mtompset       The guy pushing live cds.
12:05 mtompset       vimal.
12:05 jcamins        Vimal.
12:05 mtompset       Sorry.
12:07 jcamins        What do you mean?
12:07 jcamins        (by "third party Ubuntu installation")
12:10 drojf          i read that like "third party live cd", but maybe that was not intended
12:20 oleonard       Hi #koha
12:21 jcamins        Good morning, oleonard. Long time, no see.
12:21 drojf          hi oleonard
12:22 oleonard       My sleep deficit wishes it was longer jcamins
12:23 drojf          mtompset: did you come across source code of remastersys by any chance? it says it's GPL but the sf site is empty
12:23 mtompset       not Koha's Ubuntu install instructions.
12:24 mtompset       It's hidden: http://www.remastersys.com/repository/
12:26 mtompset       Hmmm... can't find the newer version!
12:26 drojf          you can only search the forum if you have an account. i think i don't like it
12:26 jcamins        drojf: https://launchpad.net/remastersys
12:29 drojf          ah cool, thanks jcamins. ddg did not know that
12:30 jcamins        drojf: nor did Google.
12:30 drojf          where did you find it?
12:30 jcamins        A forum posting.
12:33 mtompset       as long as it wasn't a google group. ;)
12:35 jcamins        wtf?
12:35 jcamins        [off] http://www.lib-portal.com/BuildaGate5/general2/company_search_tree.php?mc=15~All&SiteName=libportal <-- has anyone ever heard of this?
12:37 jcamins        [off] That is an "open source collaborative LMS." I see nothing open source about it.
12:38 drojf          [off] "Lib-Portal is truly the new gold standard in Internet library management systems" -- how can we noobs not know about that?
12:38 magnuse        [off] nope. is it "based on koha" or something?
12:39 oleonard       [off] Where does it say open source?
12:39 drojf          [off] it says "it has been sold and successfully deployed in libraries throughout Israel" to me
12:39 jcamins        [off] http://www.lib-portal.com/BuildaGate5/general2/data_card.php?dc=791741345
12:40 magnuse        [off] it aint purdy either http://english.libraries.co.il/BuildaGate5library/general2/company_search_tree.php?NewNameMade=0&SiteName=library&lan=en&EnterDefault=&Referral=tree&BuyerID=347699700&Clubtmp1=&SearchTop=&SearchType=Card27
12:40 jcamins        [off] Definitely not based on Koha. It's Windows-only, and hideous as anything.
12:40 drojf          [off] website needs blinking
12:41 oleonard       [off] "The platform is based on the architecture of Web2.0, Collaborative Open-Source. " I think they're just throwing words out there.
12:41 drojf          [off] magnuse: wow that's ugly
12:41 jcamins        [off] I guess so. That's their lede for sales, though.
12:43 drojf          [off] i like how the button mouse over is even uglier than the buttons themselves. maybe it's meant to be ironic.
12:46 tcohen         morning #koha
12:47 drojf          oleonard: nice answer on the list, and i suppose we will not here anything more now
12:47 drojf          good morning tcohen
12:48 oleonard       If anyone didn't hear about it last night, I asked the owner of that Sourceforge Koha Live CD to take down the download and they did
12:49 magnuse        yay!
12:50 drojf          i thought jcamins send the email *confused*
12:50 drojf          oh but you posted a comment i think
12:50 jcamins        oleonard: I sent an e-mail.
12:51 oleonard       I sent a message through Sourceforge which the owner replied to
12:51 drojf          jcamins++
12:51 drojf          oleonard++
12:52 * oleonard     credits jcamins' email in which kneecap-breaking was insinuated
12:54 cait           hm
12:54 cait           what did i miss? :)
12:54 cait           have no idea what you all are talking about :)
12:55 oleonard       cait: Yesterday we were discussing a Koha Live CD available on Sourceforge which was based on 3.2 or something old like that
12:55 drojf          we express our love for outdated livecds mainly
12:56 cait           aah
12:56 cait           I see :)
12:58 magnuse        and there was talk of starting a googlegroup to celebrate the dissemination of outdated kohas on plastic discs :-)
13:00 drojf          i propose to have the google group run from a livecd
13:00 drojf          you could ask questions without internet access
13:01 magnuse        yay!
13:01 drojf          and receive about the same amount of useful answers
13:01 cait           lol
13:05 drojf          but i think we are getting blind sided by ignorance, enough ranting
13:06 mtompset       [off] So mizstik's live CD is off sourceforge now?
13:08 mtompset       jcamins++
13:08 mtompset       oleonard++
13:10 mtompset       magnuse: No, no... 8" floppies. ;)
13:10 cait           stone tables?
13:10 mtompset       Oh yes! yes! Like the fisher price my first record player!
13:10 magnuse        hehe
13:11 magnuse        and it's not even friday ;-)
13:12 * jcamins      is trying to write a Bibliographer's Note. That makes it something like Friday.
13:12 mtompset       http://youtu.be/6sE57VdMjFA (Starwards My First Record Player Fisher Price)
13:12 mtompset       Starwars... DOH!
13:13 magnuse        and what, prey tell, is a Bibliographer's Note?
13:14 jcamins        magnuse: the note one puts at the beginning of a bibliography to explain *why* weird decisions were made.
13:15 fredericd      jcamins: Can you show me a working 3.8 Koha, with MARC21 authority hierachies?
13:15 magnuse        jcamins: ah. and writing that turns any day into a pizzaday? cool!
13:15 jcamins        fredericd: MARC21 authority hierarchies aren't in 3.8.
13:16 jcamins        Just master.
13:16 cait           fredericd: have you seen the screenshot and my examples on the bug?
13:16 fredericd      cait: no
13:16 cait           I couldn't attach records because of the linking, but I noted how I catelogued them in the message
13:17 jcamins        fredericd: where exactly are you seeing problems in 3.8?
13:20 fredericd      Parallel forms are not displayed, with language name in front of heading
13:20 fredericd      Used for and See also are inverted
13:20 fredericd      Semantic relation are not displayed anymore: BT/NT
13:21 fredericd      What is the bug number for current work on authorities on master?
13:22 jcamins        There are a lot of bugs. Bug 8204 is also in 3.8, but also related are bug 8210 and bug 8523.
13:22 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8204 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless
13:22 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Headings in OPAC bib details should link to authority record
13:22 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
13:23 cait           fredericd: oh :( hope it's all solvable
13:25 jcamins        You might also take a look at bug 7943.
13:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search
13:25 nengard        slef around?
13:26 nengard        does anyone here know of a tool that will add closed captions to videos on the web? or that will show text as a video is being watched?
13:28 fredericd      So it does mean I have to work on master, since I will have to edit code/templates that are in master and not in 3.8.x
13:29 fredericd      Is there also pending patch? not yet pushed on master?
13:29 jcamins        fredericd: it depends what the problem is, but probably.
13:29 jcamins        I think everything has been pushed.
13:29 jcamins        I'll check.
13:30 jcamins        Yes, everything authority-related has been pushed.
13:30 fredericd      I have to modify C4::AuthoritiesMarc.pm, authorities-search-results.inc, and opac-auth-detail.tt
13:30 fredericd      ok, I continue on master
13:30 jcamins        I suspect most of the problem is in C4::AuthoritiesMarc.
13:32 fredericd      yes, sometime, the hashref sent to template is not compte, no heading for example...
13:32 fredericd      not complete
13:32 slef           nengard: hi. I don't know of a subtitling tool. I'm pretty sure mplayer can play subtitle files.
13:32 * wajasu       hurray! got my apt-cacher-nq running, and my .deb downloads are fast (4minutes to build a deb VM ,koha-common and perl deps)
13:32 nengard        thanks slef
13:33 nengard        I have a person who is hard of hearing asking for this for my tutorial videos
13:33 nengard        and I have over 100 of them so I can't transcribe them to text now
13:33 slef           the evil youtube has CC doesn't it? No idea how well it performs or how you use it.
13:33 nengard        it does and it's not that great
13:33 nengard        but I might point to that
13:34 slef           nengard: aha, mplayer has an option -sub <subtitlefile1,subtitlefile2,...>
13:34 jcamins        nengard: Jubler? http://www.jubler.org/
13:34 jcamins        Not sure if that'll do what you want.
13:34 slef           nengard: I'm trying to find the file format
13:35 slef           hmm, there's also a -vobsub file option
13:37 drojf          nengard: so you want to display subtitles or create them?
13:37 drojf          s/so/do/
13:39 nengard        either or ? or both
13:39 nengard        whatever this person needs to be able to watch the videos and "hear" them
13:41 jcamins        I'm not certain, but I'd think you'd need to write the subtitles first, which would require them to be transcribed no matter how the subtitles are delivered.
13:42 drojf          you can display subtitles in html5 <track> element. it's not really finished and browsers do it all differently or not at all, but there are javascript polyfills that work. i had a patch to do that in koha but i think that died with my git. i used http://www.delphiki.com/html5/playr/. anyway you would have to create the subtitles first
13:42 drojf          (and have video that works with html5 video probably)
13:43 jenkins_koha   Starting build #865 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:43 slef           nengard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubStation_Alpha looks like a better bet than VOB files.
13:44 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8585 follow-up Passing syspref to template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=529bb9c2a4c906cd5c00fda294489b633cfb5853> / Bug 8585 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5183f2ed96d51091b12551a11a0cd153ee78e32> / Bug 8585 : Add System Preference to specify Holds to Pull List Start Date <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm
13:45 nengard        so it looks like all the options available require me to write the subtitles
13:45 nengard        nothing that can try to guess them ? like closed captioning
13:45 nengard        i need to restart ? I'll brb
13:45 drojf          closed captioning guesses the text in the video?
13:45 slef           drojf: no
13:45 drojf          i would have been surprised :)
13:46 slef           well maybe youtube's might
13:46 slef           As I understand it, live TV CC has a control human repeating what is said in the video to a text recognition software trained on them.
13:47 drojf          yes that would make sense
13:47 jcamins        slef: I think they also have a special type of hardware speech recognizer card.
13:48 oleonard       We call that a protocol droid nowadays
13:48 drojf          a lot to try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition_in_Linux
13:49 slef           http://charlieswinbourne.com/2011/10/18/attacking-the-bbc-on-live-subtitles-doesnt-do-deaf-people-any-favours/
13:49 nengard        back
13:49 slef           nengard: <drojf> closed captioning guesses the text in the video?
13:50 nengard        yes
13:50 slef           Where?
13:50 slef           as in, whose closed captioning?
13:50 nengard        that's what i always thought
13:50 nengard        the closed captioning on our local news is pretty crap
13:50 slef           http://charlieswinbourne.com/2011/10/18/attacking-the-bbc-on-live-subtitles-doesnt-do-deaf-people-any-favours/ includes "the method by which subtitles are created"
13:50 nengard        so i just figured it was a computer
13:50 slef           which is my understanding of how they're done in the UK
13:51 slef           "made either by a stenographer typing what’s been said onto a phonetic keyboard as they listen to a show, or by speech recognition, where dialogue is repeated more clearly into a microphone during a programme, with a computer automatically recognising the words"
13:51 slef           live stuff like news, they have to try to do live
13:52 slef           Recorded shows are usually done by typing, maybe using stenography or recognition as a start.
13:52 nengard        okay
13:52 nengard        so i'm screwed
13:52 slef           To be honest, when I've done transcripts, it's almost better to start from scratch with a player that does an easy backskip.
13:52 drojf          nengard: maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_recognition_in_Linux#Free_Speech_Recognition_Engines or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_speech_recognition_software#Open_Source but from my experience (with a closed, commercial product) you have to train these things a lot
13:53 * jcamins      wonders briefly whether some of the errors in recorded shows might not be due to steganography rather than stenography. :D
13:53 drojf          lol jcamins
13:53 slef           I still love "arch bitch of Canterbury"
13:54 slef           nengard: depends who's asking, but here we'd have to take reasonable steps to provide subtitles or transcripts.
13:54 slef           nengard: expecting 100 videos to be done immediately isn't reasonable, but we'd need to do something.
13:55 wajasu         my favorite contradiction of bisness requirements:  a) make website more accessible   b) install captcha to prevent machines from spamming.   thus handicapped use machines to aid in using the web, and have difficulty in accessing sites.
13:55 slef           nengard: I'd love to help but we're still working on kohacon12 videos :-/
13:55 nengard        slef no one expects it to be done immediately - but i do a video each week
13:55 nengard        so goingthrough the backlog and doing the new videos ? i'd have no time for any other work
13:56 slef           nengard: do you work from a script?
13:56 nengard        heck no
13:56 nengard        I suck at reading/referring to scripts
13:57 slef           me too... but I also suck at talking without a script... you may have noticed this ;)
13:57 nengard        hehe
13:57 nengard        I did not notice
13:57 slef           nengard: so slow down to a video a fortnight and use the off-weeks to transcribe?
13:57 nengard        i actually don't like listening to people reading from a script
13:58 slef           but it's an annoying situation
13:58 nengard        i like people just talking to me even if they have to stop and think
13:58 slef           oh some people are good at reading scripts
13:58 slef           they used to be radio presenters
13:58 slef           now we prefer celebrities
13:58 slef           bleah
13:58 slef           wajasu: captcha doesn't prevent spamming. I think I'll go to lunch rather than rant at you ;) bbl
13:58 jcamins        slef: I think that was the point.
14:00 wajasu         i was thinking we should write a script with Test::WWW:Mechanize to walk the pages of the entire site, and take a snapshot (as png or such).
14:00 jcamins        wajasu: that wouldn't work because WWW::Mechanize does not render anything.
14:01 wajasu         so folks have images for slides, and videos, and we can refer to them in tests.
14:02 wajasu         well, then use whatever tool that does.
14:06 drojf          nengard: there is a linguistics tool called "ELAN" for transcribing field recordings. it has a window showing the video and also shows you the wave of the audio. i never got the wave part to work on linux but have not tried in a while. there is also a windows version. i don't remember what export file options you have. http://tla.mpi.nl/tools/tla-tools/elan/
14:06 drojf          you might also search the web for "fansubbing software" or something similar.
14:17 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @mbreeding: "BibLibre is developing a OPAC module that enables libraries to integrate their catalog into Drupal  http://t.co/gr92xab8 #kohails"
14:40 jcamins        Grr.
14:40 jcamins        I'm having trouble with this sentence.
14:40 jcamins        Can anyone think of a synonym for gestalt that doesn't sound snooty?
14:43 cait           isn't gestalt a german word?
14:43 drojf          it doesn't sound snooty in german ;)
14:43 drojf          heh
14:43 * cait         nods
14:43 cait           what is your sentence?
14:44 jcamins        cait: I'm in the midst of rewriting it.
14:44 cait           shape, figure, form, build, design, likeness, stature
14:44 cait           coherent perception :P
14:44 cait           says leo
14:45 jcamins        Right, it means exactly what I want.
14:46 cait           hm?
14:47 * wajasu       its interesting that Gestalt Therapy was developed by Fritz Perls.  "perls! get it!
14:52 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #865: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/865/
14:52 jenkins_koha   * mtompset: Bug 8737 - Incorrect icon at login in staff client
14:52 jenkins_koha   * dcook: Bug 8585 : Add System Preference to specify Holds to Pull List Start Date
14:52 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 8585 follow-up DBRev number
14:52 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 8585 follow-up Passing syspref to template
14:52 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8737 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Incorrect icon at login in staff client
14:52 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8585 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Add System Preference to specify Holds to Pull List Start Date
14:53 * mtompset     feels the trickling patches love. :)
14:53 jcamins        "In contrast to the first section, the second section's focus is the flourishing of popular interest in gardening, a gestalt that would be obscured by pagination formulæ."
14:54 * magnuse      waves to wizzyrea and trea
14:54 trea           magnuse greetings!
14:54 magnuse        \o/
14:54 mtompset       \/o\
14:54 jcamins        cait: ^^ my use of "gestalt"
14:55 jcamins        I couldn't find a way to get rid of it.
14:55 mtompset       O that is dumb. :(
14:55 mtompset       /o\
14:55 mtompset       Sort of.
14:55 cait           aha
14:55 cait           sounds... really interesting?
14:56 jcamins        cait: not really.
14:56 magnuse        or weird?
14:56 wahanui        i guess weird is normal after a while :)
14:56 jcamins        Mass culture is not really my thing.
14:56 * magnuse      ducks
14:56 wizzyrea       hi peeps :)
14:56 mtompset       Greetings, wizzyrea.
14:56 magnuse        hiya wizzyrea
14:56 jcamins        But can anyone see how to remove "gestalt" from that sentence without losing the meaning?
14:56 magnuse        phenomenon?
14:56 cait           I am not sure I get the meaning
14:56 mtompset       clarity?
14:56 * magnuse      neither
14:57 jcamins        The second section consists of 150 books which are entirely uninteresting.
14:57 cait           not sure your client woud like oyu writing it like that
14:58 jcamins        I am making the rather weak claim that when you look at *all* 150 books, something interesting appears.
14:58 jcamins        The only word I know of that means "a whole greater than the sum of its parts" is "gestalt."
14:59 cait           hm
15:01 wizzyrea       wow that's a weird problem - returning items in dropbox mode and it erases the fine, but leaves no record of it?
15:01 jcamins        See? A very problematic sentence.
15:01 jcamins        I keep on ending up back where I started.
15:02 mtompset       What is wrong with gestalt?
15:02 cait           hm rcord like?
15:02 wizzyrea       record like in accountlines
15:02 cait           ah
15:02 jcamins        mtompset: it sounds snooty?\
15:02 cait           it just deletes the liine?
15:02 cait           I think it used to be like that.. because you pretend the find never happened
15:02 cait           probably
15:02 cait           so waiving or paying it would be not right
15:03 wizzyrea       well, this was for an item tht was several days overdue
15:03 wizzyrea       it should only erase one day, not the whole fine?
15:03 * wizzyrea     goes to consult the bug db
15:03 cait           hm
15:03 mtompset       Sounds like a conditional failure?
15:03 jcamins        Isn't there a bug about dropbox erasing all fines?
15:03 wizzyrea       yea, it does
15:03 wizzyrea       bug 8338
15:03 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8338 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , fines not cleared with dropbox mode
15:04 wizzyrea       but we aren't on 3.8
15:04 jcamins        I thought there was an older bug report.
15:04 wizzyrea       some of this stuff on bug 5644 sounds about right too
15:04 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5644 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date
15:06 tcohen         any good sould wanting to test bug 8800 so it is pushed soon?
15:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8800 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
15:07 mtompset       Greetings, tcohen. :)
15:08 tcohen         greetings mtompset
15:09 tcohen         only with 8800 we got our due dates set properly
15:11 mtompset       Hey, where is our friend, oleonard?
15:12 jcamins        Well, I sent it with the word "gestalt" in the introduction.
15:13 mtompset       If whoever doesn't like it, then you can worry about revising it.
15:13 drojf          jcamins: if it's exactly what you want to say i see no problem with that
15:13 drojf          but i'm not really with the use of that word in english so i have no feeling for it
15:13 drojf          not really familiar
15:14 tcohen         conductism?
15:14 jcamins        drojf: yeah. I try very hard to *not* write like everyone else who writes like me (it sounds absurd, but it isn't), but sometimes borrowed words really are the best option.
15:19 mtompset       who is everyone else who writes like you?
15:19 mtompset       who?
15:19 mtompset       Good wahanui didn't learn that.
15:19 mtompset       who is everyone else who writes like you, jcamins?
15:21 jcamins        mtompset: people who read too much academese.
15:22 jcamins        Also, people who use the words "gestalt" and "zeitgeist" in conversation.
15:22 jcamins        (and don't speak German!)
15:24 jcamins        That set of people tends to overlap with the set of people who use "i.e." and "e.g." correctly, and are bothered when others do not.
15:26 cait           jcamins: I can't remember using that words in conversations
15:26 wajasu         lol :)
15:26 jcamins        cait: apparently you doubly don't write like me. :P
15:27 cait           it seems likely
15:27 cait           couldn't you use the words you used to describe to us?
15:28 cait           that the 150 book shave to be taken as a collection and looked at altogether to grasp their meaningfulness (fill in better word here)
15:28 jcamins        I was not having any luck communicating that.
15:29 * wajasu       likes my apt-cacher-ng.  my debian preseed builds pull from it just fine.  no need to slam kc.org
15:29 drojf          funny since i wrote "for example" instead of "e.g." for the first time ever i think (and to my own surprise) somewhere here in the last days.
15:29 jcamins        It was coming across -- not inaccurately -- as a negative comment on the materials.
15:30 cait           hm
15:30 koyauni        jcamins, hi, back to our discussion last night on ICU this guys says he has got it to work, http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-January/022270.html
15:30 cait           while every piece of the collection is <someting postitive> the real interesting stuff begins when... ? :P
15:30 jcamins        Yes, many people have gotten it to work.
15:30 cait           ok, I am not helping
15:30 * wajasu       visions of  "Did you mean this book? (You stupid user)"
15:31 jcamins        lol
15:31 koyauni        hahah
15:31 * wajasu       and I'm going to fine you another $10.00 just being so.
15:32 koyauni        well you guys are involve with this application why a vital function such as this should be so painful :)
15:33 jcamins        koyauni: the reason it's difficult is that no one has been paid to make it 100% foolproof yet.
15:34 drojf          or volunteered their time
15:34 koyauni        I am working to get Koha to google summer code so we can get people to work on part of
15:35 jcamins        Right.
15:40 koyauni        the guy provide a link which is not active any more, what do you think he wanted other users to apply
15:41 jcamins        koyauni: this: http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=commit;h=b4068c1da33de36019bf4192150b6234bb8c7dbf
15:55 mtompset       Well, have a good day (24 hour period), everyone.
15:55 koyauni        thanks, in the xml file it says icu_chain locale="fr-FR" do I have to change this to Arabic
15:56 jcamins        I do not know.
15:56 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7589' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=761ed986902a7f8c2c1283f45fb4f4237adb7b16> / Bug 7589 - tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f114d316316406e76cc9405369194adba24dff0c> / Bug 8454 - Holds to Pull : Show pull list on load. Otherwise, it looks like the pull...
15:58 jenkins_koha   Starting build #866 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #864 23 hr ago)
16:03 drojf          koyauni: try 'yaz-icu -p l' to see what locales are available
16:03 drojf          koyauni: also try 'man yaz-icu' for more information
16:04 koyauni        thanks let me check these
16:07 koyauni        this guy says that > yaz-icu is installed from the indexdata repository.
16:07 koyauni        how do I do this please
16:08 drojf          this information is probably from a time when also zebra was installed from the ID repo.
16:08 drojf          it should be in the debian repositories
16:09 koyauni        when I run yaz-icu -p l -bash: yaz-icu: command not found
16:09 drojf          if you have not installed yaz-icu then it won't work
16:09 koyauni        can I install it now
16:09 drojf          i don't see why not
16:10 koyauni        can you please tell the command
16:10 koyauni        I have Debian 6
16:10 drojf          the same you used to install koha-common
16:11 drojf          only with the package name changed
16:11 drojf          apt.get install yaz-icu
16:11 drojf          apt-get install yaz-icu
16:11 koyauni        did not like it apt.get install yaz-icu -bash: apt.get: command not found
16:13 koyauni        now worked and there is ar_IQ
16:15 drojf          then i guess you shoukd put that in your file
16:16 koyauni        can I have several local?
16:16 koyauni        I do not see any Kurdish ku-KU
16:18 drojf          i suppose you would use one <icu_chain locale> section per locale you want to use
16:18 drojf          but it's just a guess
16:18 drojf          you might want to start with one and get that working before you try more
16:22 koyauni        so can I just copy that section and repeat that then
16:22 jcamins        koyauni: we don't know. No one has tried.
16:22 jcamins        I would suggest you get it working at all before you worry about trying something new.
16:23 drojf          as i said, i dont know. do it for one locale first to see if it works
16:23 drojf          it will make finding problems easier
16:23 koyauni        I am will be tester here, if works, I will post the instruction
16:23 koyauni        lets try with one local first
16:25 wajasu         mtj: i was thinking of testing 8253.  i will build a 3.6 environment, generate a fine.   move to master environment, run updatedatabase.pl.  see fines doubled, THEN do it all with your patch on master.
16:29 koyauni        in this t.idx file in first paragraph
16:29 koyauni        http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx;h=db4fdc978f1afaec55951e70adceba18334dfe85;hb=b4068c1da33de36019bf4192150b6234bb8c7dbf
16:29 koyauni        the guy has two set of firstinfield 1, one commented and one not, do you think he has made mistake
16:30 drojf          i only see it commented in that file
16:30 drojf          oh no
16:30 drojf          it its probably about the order. but i dont know
16:31 koyauni        in next paragraph it is commented again
16:32 drojf          well, i have no idea what that line does. what do you think?
16:32 koyauni        first in field 1, it means data in the field maybe
16:33 drojf          and do you think it is needed for icu?
16:34 koyauni        I leave it there and if it does not work I will comment that and try again
16:35 drojf          good idea
16:41 wizzyrea       bug 8859 makes me laugh.
16:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8859 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item level holds not trapped if circ rules for item type are set to 'no holds allowed'
16:41 wizzyrea       in a
16:41 wizzyrea       @quote get 123
16:41 huginn         wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
16:41 wizzyrea       kind of way.
16:42 wizzyrea       we should probably just assume that every black or white choice we put into Koha should have an override.
16:42 wizzyrea       for the properly privileged user.
16:42 koyauni        what does he try to say here , Using root the rebuild_zebra.pl script is run first with -a and then with -b (I don't know if this was necessary).
16:43 drojf          koyauni: who are you talking about?
16:43 koyauni        drojf:
16:44 drojf          also, all your instructions are really old. reindex your files with the package commands
16:44 drojf          and never run rebuild_zebra as root, it will screw up permissions
16:45 drojf          never run it at all, use koha-rebuild-zebra
16:45 koyauni        I need to refurbish that and I am doing it, what will be common command
16:45 koyauni        sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v library
16:46 drojf          looks good
16:49 koyauni        Nop, search stop working http://library.koyauniversity.org/
16:50 koyauni        last step he says restart the server, what does that mean?
16:51 drojf          restart zebra i suppose
16:51 koyauni        I did this sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart
16:51 drojf          koha-restart-zebra
17:01 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8739 follow-up fixing perlcritic error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c182045d9ed2068f6d554b6c7ba51d92656bcd4> / Bug 8739 - Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5954631aeaf261a9bbbb44a7a7fcae225031eb24>
17:04 koyauni        it does not work, no HOPE!
17:05 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #866: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/866/
17:05 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8744: Thesaurus in authorities should not lock fields
17:05 jenkins_koha   * kyle: Bug 8759 - Add labels for library and sorting on opac advanced search
17:05 jenkins_koha   * dcook: Bug 8454 - Holds to Pull : Show pull list on load. Otherwise, it looks like the pull list is empty.
17:05 jenkins_koha   * dcook: Bug 8454 - Holds to Pull : Show pull list on load. Otherwise, it looks like the pull list is empty.
17:05 jenkins_koha   * mtj: Bug 7589 - tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates
17:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8744 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Thesaurus in authorities should not lock fields
17:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add labels for library and sorting on opac advanced search
17:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8454 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Holds to Pull : Show pull list on load. Otherwise, it looks like the pull list is empty.
17:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7589 blocker, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates
17:05 jenkins_koha   Starting build #867 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #864 1 day 0 hr ago)
17:06 tcohen         wajasu, can u elaborate on your comment for bug 8773?
17:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
17:06 tcohen         (the respawn until zebradb is initialized)
17:08 koyauni        drojf what this can be in common pack command Using root the rebuild_zebra.pl script is run first with -a and then with > -b (I don't know if this was necessary).
17:09 jcamins        koyauni: that was koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v library
17:09 koyauni        well I did that and still does not work :(
17:10 jcamins        koyauni: It would seem the instructions do not work anymore.
17:11 jcamins        They are quite old.
17:18 koyauni        I refurbish that per this one http://kl1p.com/koyauni
17:18 koyauni        is it still old?
17:19 jcamins        Yes, instructions from 2010 are old.
17:20 koyauni        then we need to work hard to find out how to fix this
17:22 drojf          what do you suggest to find out how to make it work?
17:22 Morthland1     Hey, is there a way to add custom fields for patron data?
17:23 jcamins        Morthland1: yes. Enable extended patron attributes.
17:23 jcamins        (that's a syspref)
17:23 Morthland1     Allright.
17:25 Morthland1     And then where do I add them?
17:25 wajasu         tcohen: 8773 - about the indexer respawn?
17:25 jcamins        Morthland1: Administration -> Patron attribute types
17:26 Morthland1     Thanks
17:26 tcohen         yeap
17:27 tcohen         do u think there shuld be a follow up that inits the zebradb on koha-create?
17:29 koyauni        Drojf, I think the whole Zebra indexing should only work with UTF-8 for any records it is entered despite the language
17:29 wajasu         tcohen: it might be worth it.   my VM builder builds without a hitch, and everything is running out of the box.  but i would hate that if left alone, the respawning would just fill up disk (though maybe its being rotated), and cpu. thinking of vendors hosting in VPS servers here.
17:30 * oleonard     waves
17:30 koyauni        what is Koha can integrate a google search API instead of Zebra
17:30 tcohen         hi oleonard
17:30 tcohen         shh, SolR
17:31 jcamins        koyauni: someone would have to implement any changes to Koha.
17:32 wajasu         tcohen:  it is hard for one to figure out why the respawn happens, and witht he ease of creating db instances...  I am only recalling all this from the Tamil testing.
17:34 tcohen         oh, when I tested I didn't notice the respawn thing
17:34 tcohen         maybe an old version of tamil code?
17:34 dcook          Morning #koha
17:35 wajasu         i just put a note so when you try again just look in the log right after install.  i can't remember with all the retesting of various bugs these days.
17:36 tcohen         ok, if it emerges I'll look for patching it
17:36 wajasu         great
17:36 oleonard       Hi dcook
17:36 tcohen         as soon as I finish our dspace upgrade i'll be trying to roll our own .debs
17:37 dcook          hey oleonard
17:37 wahanui        oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
17:37 tcohen         for koha-common (for internal use) with these patches applied for further testing
17:39 koyauni        jcamins: see what it says the release note of 3.8 http://koha-community.org/koha-3-8-0-released/ search for ICU
17:39 wajasu         tcohen: i finally got apt-cacher-ng installed and my VM builder builds koha VM in 4minutes.  so i can test things like this more quickly.
17:39 tcohen         is that a mirroring tool?
17:40 dcook          (By chance, has anyone tried applying bug 8261. Git bz seems to refuse to delete sysprefs-admin-search.inc. Is this just an issue on my end?)
17:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8261 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab
17:40 jcamins        koyauni: did it work for you out of the box?
17:41 drojf          koyauni: do you seriuosly suggest to complete rewrite of search based on you having problems with icu? others have done it before, if it is too much work to fiddle around with that for a few days until it works, how would you rewrite the complete search?
17:41 Morthland      How can I print Extended Attributes on patron cards?
17:41 tcohen         wajasu: we have a local ubuntu mirror here, do u use libvirt + qemu for your VM?
17:42 jcamins        Morthland: I'm not sure you can, but I've never tried.
17:43 oleonard       Morthland, I think extended patron attributes were added after the patron card creator went in, so I'm guessing you can't, out of the box
17:43 drojf          s/complete/completely/
17:43 Morthland      I think you are right.
17:43 Morthland      I will have to work on a patch.
17:43 Morthland      For now I will enter them in as another unused field
17:44 Morthland      Can I change field descriptions in the create-a-patron page?
17:44 oleonard       Morthland, You can using jQuery.
17:44 oleonard       jquery library?
17:44 wahanui        i heard jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library
17:45 oleonard       I'll bet there's something there
17:46 Morthland      Found the correct Item, how can I use the Jquery?
17:46 oleonard       Instructions are at the top of that page Morthland
17:48 oleonard       Morthland, do those instructions make sense?
17:49 santy          Hi all again! Does anyone have an estimate of the distribution of linux distros used by libraries as platforms for Koha? Is Ubuntu the most used one? Or Debian? How about CentOS or even Redhat?
17:50 jcamins        santy: 90%+ Debian or Ubuntu.
17:51 jcamins        Beyond that, I don't really know.
17:54 wajasu         tcohen: i use libvirt + qemu,  with a bash script that does it all automatically with a preseed.cfg   ( ubuntu can use preseed scripts too).  apt-cacher-ng is fast and i put it in my preseed.fg as a proxy.
17:54 santy          thanks jcamins!
17:55 tcohen         wajasu, I use: ubuntu-vm-builder kvm precise --domain XXX etc
17:57 wajasu         tcohen: my host os is archlinux, so i didn't have apt and friends.  but my script runs on any distro.  and i am about to test lxc containers.
17:57 tcohen         sweet wajasu, if u publish it, just let me know
17:58 wajasu         tcohen: i am cleaning it up.
18:00 Morthland      I'm having a hard time employing this jquery
18:00 oleonard       How are you doing it Morthland?
18:00 oleonard       Morthland, use paste.koha-community.org to paste the contents of your IntranetUserJS preference
18:01 wajasu         tcohen: i bumped my box to 12GB and /tmp is tmpfs (handling about half of mem)  so i generate a new koha-debian-install.iso from the debian squeeze one.  then copy it to /tmp.  then build the kvm in /tmp with libvirt and that iso. it boots first time with web installer ready.
18:01 koyauni        in /usr/share/idzebra-2.0/tab/ I found another icu.idx file, I think this is the one which need to be edited
18:01 pastebot       "Morthland" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "$("#memberentry_library_manage" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/212
18:02 koyauni        at the top of it it says # ICU indexing for words and phrases.. Otherwise similar # to default.idx .
18:02 drojf          koyauni: have you checked idzebra-2.0-doc?
18:02 drojf          there is some documentation
18:02 Morthland      Oh, I'mseeing my problem
18:03 bornie21       hey everyone is there a way of suspending users in Koha maybe because of misbehaviour or something
18:03 jcamins        bornie21: yes, you can restrict users.
18:03 bornie21       how do I do that
18:04 jcamins        bornie21: you click the "restricted" checkbox when editing the patron.
18:06 bornie21       Ah thanx would you happen to know the database field that makes that possible. We want to restrict users with unpaid tuition based on balances from the accounts dpt
18:06 jcamins        I'm not sure. debarred, maybe?
18:07 oleonard       borrowers.debarred, and it takes a date
18:07 oleonard       Set the date to far in the future if you don't want the restriction to expire
18:07 oleonard       (at least in the latest version of Koha)
18:08 bornie21       Yeah I noticed the date data type and that confused me. btw we are using version 3.6
18:08 bornie21       Was kinda of expecting a boolean value
18:09 oleonard       The date type allows the "suspension in days" feature, where a patron can be restricted for a certain number of days as a consequence of having overdues
18:09 wajasu         khall:  on bug 8253  what if Mason's patch also has     and description NOT like '%23:59'  or  some variation to handle hourly loans existing.
18:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling
18:11 bornie21       k thanx:oleornard
18:12 khall          wajasu: that would cover the case I mentioned in comment 19. The only big problem is it doesn't cover libraries with already duplicated fines. However, I'd rather see his patch get in to prevent future upgraders from having problems. I can post my de-duplication script to the wiki for anyone to use who already has upgraded and has duplicated fines.
18:12 rangi          its not for that
18:12 rangi          yes, that patch fixes it for people upgrade to 3.8.x
18:13 rangi          from before
18:13 santy          does anyone know if koha packages are being supported in any way by Canonical?
18:13 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #867: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/867/
18:13 jenkins_koha   * kyle: Bug 8739 - Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly
18:13 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 8739 follow-up fixing perlcritic error
18:13 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8739 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly
18:13 cait           morning rangi
18:13 rangi          and anyone alreay upgraded, it wont affec
18:13 rangi          t
18:13 jcamins        santy: they are not, no.
18:13 rangi          because it changes an updatedatabase.pl call earlier
18:13 rangi          the sooner it can go in the better
18:13 rangi          then a fix for those who have already upgraded and have duplicates can follow
18:13 wajasu         ok: i am just about to test it now.
18:14 khall          yeah, i have to agree.
18:14 santy          and therefore they are not included by default in their repositories, right?
18:14 rangi          khall: can you update the bug to say that please
18:14 pastebot       "Morthland" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "$(memberentry.pl).ready(functi" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/213
18:15 jcamins        santy: Koha packages are not included in the default Ubuntu repos because they haven't been accepted (or submitted).
18:15 santy          ok thanks
18:15 khall          sure
18:15 Morthland      What do I have wrong here?
18:15 jcamins        santy: there is an official Koha apt repo.
18:16 wajasu         i'll test it.   then if khall tells me the bug for the post-upgrade  emergency fix tool :)   i'll test that as well, while i'm in the mood.
18:16 santy          the one we use for the installation, right?
18:17 jcamins        Right.
18:17 khall          wajasu: if you just take my patch and turn it into a stand alone script, that's pretty much it, but I can find my original and post it.
18:17 Morthland      Fixed.
18:18 santy          During development and bugfixing, everything gets implemented, fixed and tested on Debian/Ubuntu first, and later on other distros, including Centos and Redhat?
18:18 jcamins        No.
18:18 jcamins        Most developers use Debian or Ubuntu.
18:19 jcamins        A couple use other OSes.
18:19 jcamins        Any platform-specific bugs are found on Debian or Ubuntu long before they're noticed anywhere else.
18:19 jcamins        However, there are very few platform-specific bugs.
18:19 wajasu         khall: ok. paste your orignal and i'll write script.
18:20 pastebot       "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "please review my test plan before i start for 8253" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/214
18:20 khall          I think i've found it
18:20 jcamins        There are no RPMs available for Koha, and most people give up before they manage to get Koha working on CentOS or Redhat.
18:21 santy          So, there is a chance that platform specific bugs that only affect Redhat for example simply won't get fixed over time
18:21 wajasu         khall: check my test plan to see if i'm on the right track.
18:21 jcamins        Right.
18:21 jcamins        Indeed, I would say it is almost a certainty that Redhat-only bugs are not getting fixed by any current Koha developer.
18:22 khall          wajasu: that looks like a great test plan
18:22 santy          okay
18:23 wajasu         ok
18:25 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "RSS Feed in Plain English http://t.co/osCWZn8b #kohails"
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18:35 rangi          If it's in plain English its hardly rss anymore :)
18:35 koyauni        drojf: I can not find this idzebra things
18:36 * oleonard     loves everything about RSS except the fact that the best RSS reader comes with built-in spying
18:36 wizzyrea       what's the best reader?
18:37 oleonard       Google Reader
18:38 drojf          koyauni: maybe you did not install it. apt-get install idzebra-2.0-doc or something like that
18:38 oleonard       Alternatively, Google Reader is the worst RSS reader, except for all the others.
18:39 dcook          lol
18:39 rangi          I still like my cli ones
18:39 rangi          But of the saas ones ur right
18:40 rangi          It's the best of a bad bunch
18:40 magnuse        http://www.newsbeuter.org/ anyone?
18:40 koyauni        it is already installed idzebra-2.0-doc is already the newest version.
19:13 jenkins_koha   Starting build #191 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:20 wajasu         khall: just confirming. when do the dups show up?  after running fines.pl in version 3.6 or after an upgrade to 3.8?
19:20 rangi          only after an upgrade
19:20 wajasu         ok.
19:20 rangi          and running fines
19:20 wajasu         ok. after running fines after and upgrade.
19:21 rangi          yep
19:21 rangi          and only if you had fines before in 3.6
19:22 rangi          hmm i now count 9 features pushed after feature freeze
19:22 rangi          i hope this stops soon
19:23 cait           yeah
19:31 mtj            moring #koha, and hi paul
19:34 cait           hi mtj and paul_p
19:34 mtj            moring cait
19:53 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #191: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/191/
19:53 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8581: don't display parentheses when we don't have a type
19:53 jenkins_koha   * mtompset: Bug 8350: warning in logs when searching for nonexistent ISBN
19:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8581 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority display doesn't like GND records
19:53 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
19:53 jenkins_koha   Starting build #192 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:31 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #192: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/192/
20:31 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8583 : Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from biblio edition page.
20:31 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 8711 - alternating colors messed up on reports
20:31 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8744: Thesaurus in authorities should not lock fields
20:31 jenkins_koha   * kyle: Bug 8739 - Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly
20:31 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 8739 follow-up fixing perlcritic error
20:31 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8583 minor, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Stable , Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from the "Edit biblio record" page
20:31 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8711 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , alternating colors messed up on reports
20:31 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8744 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Thesaurus in authorities should not lock fields
20:31 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8739 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Partial Fine Payments Saving Amount Paid Incorrectly
21:44 eythian        jcamins: I've made live CDs with different configurations that install like normal, it's not very hard. It would be possible to make one that installed the packages. The hard part is things that'll configure everything in a meaningful way.
21:45 jcamins        eythian: yeah, but the current livecds don't do a good job of that either, and at least a livecd that installed Debian and the Koha packages would be vaguely supportable.
21:47 eythian        yeah. Personally, I think energy is better spent making the regular configuration easier.
21:47 * jcamins      agrees.
21:47 eythian        Maybe I'll spend some time this week improving the debconf stuff.
21:48 eythian        my current migration has a catalogue large enough that the import and rebuild takes an hour or two, giving me some downtime.
21:48 jcamins        I was more going to suggest that the people who are so staunchly pro-livecd might create one that can be supported by those of us who answer questions.
21:48 jcamins        eythian: ooh! What about enabling DOM and ICU in packages? :D
21:49 eythian        that's different :) (and actually would be better after debconf so it can ask what you want by default, then you can use something like 'koha-enable-icu' or whatever to toggle it on an instance basis.
21:49 eythian        )
21:49 eythian        I don't really know enough about DOM/ICU to do those.
21:49 eythian        I should do some experimenting.
21:50 jcamins        If you go through Makefile.PL and make, it will generate all the needed configuration files.
21:51 eythian        well, I'd need to know how to switch it on a live system.
21:51 jcamins        Rerun the installer...
21:51 eythian        I'll pretend you didn't say that :)
21:52 jcamins        No, actually, for ICU you just change a few lines in one file, if all the configuration files have been installed.
21:52 eythian        yeah, that's what I thought.
21:54 jcamins        All you change is etc/zebradb/etc/default.idx.
21:54 * cait         nods
21:54 eythian        yeah, that would be automatable.
21:54 cait           not sure why it didn't work for koyauni
21:54 cait           maybea missing file
21:54 jcamins        cait: missing files.
21:54 eythian        that's something else I'd like to implement: something that brings zebra up in debug mode so these problems are easier to see.
21:56 * jcamins      thinks there should be a koha-shell command, too.
21:57 eythian        that'd be easy enough.
21:57 jcamins        Useful for if you want to run link_bibs_to_authorities or the like.
21:57 eythian        yeah
21:58 jenkins_koha   Starting build #193 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:59 wajasu         mtj: ok bug 8253 is done.
21:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , fix fine doubling, when upgrading from 3.6 to 3.8
22:02 mtj            thanks wajasu++
22:03 wajasu         mtj: your welcome.
22:04 * wajasu       needs a break
22:22 wajasu         rangi: FYI in my notes for the 8253, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=12667  i mention an ADD CONTRAINTS error. for 3.6.x to 3.8.x.  just so you are aware.
22:24 rangi          yep foreign key error
22:34 * rangi        hopes no one answers the troll
22:35 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #193: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/193/
22:35 jenkins_koha   mtj: Bug 7589 - tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates
22:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7589 blocker, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , tinymce editor broken in .deb packages - in 'en' templates
23:31 * jcamins      observes for the record that 380g of green beans are not very filling.