Time Nick Message 23:59 rangi we gave you a try to start! :) 23:58 rangi heh 23:53 tcohen rangi, tell your guys to give us a break! 18:45 SzosszeNET bye, have a nice weekend! 18:24 cait :) 18:19 drojf that reminds me, i should bribe him somehow to re-qa mine that he failed 18:18 libsysguy actually paul_p fails more of them than cait does. I always forget to remove the tabs and replace them with spaces 18:18 cait but I am trying to be nice about it and constructive! 18:18 libsysguy you should be scared drojf, she always fails my patches :p 18:18 cait hehe 18:17 * drojf gets scared 18:15 cait I have quite a bad fail rate 18:15 cait I am sorry 18:14 drojf it's all fun until you actually fail my patches ;) 18:14 drojf and when it starts to be _really_ annoying :P 18:14 cait1 how muc more annoying can I get? :) 18:14 cait1 well 18:13 drojf i wonder how long we will be happy about our annoying cait1 18:04 cait1 or you can hlep me be annoying :) 18:04 libsysguy umm 18:04 libsysguy heh 18:04 cait1 from qaa to qam 18:03 libsysguy level it up? 18:03 cait1 I really liked it too :) 18:03 cait1 you can still level up your proposal 18:03 libsysguy now I can be lazy and you can be annoying :p 18:03 cait1 heh 18:03 cait1 I will do my best :) 18:03 libsysguy I was afraid I was going to have to do it :p 18:03 libsysguy well somebody needs to do it 18:03 cait1 that be annoying seems to really stick with people 18:03 cait1 lol 18:02 libsysguy "Be Annoying" :p 18:02 libsysguy i'm digging the what would I do section 18:01 cait1 oh right, that :) 18:01 cait1 you mean that I went totally crazy ? 18:01 libsysguy yeah you're running for QAM right? 18:01 wahanui good news is it looks like it's running properly. 18:01 cait1 good news? 18:01 cait1 I killed my network :) 18:01 cait1 sorry 18:00 libsysguy cait1 ^^ oops 18:00 libsysguy :D 18:00 libsysguy !! 18:00 libsysguy I heard the good news 18:00 libsysguy hey cait 17:58 libsysguy we just need a framework :p 17:58 libsysguy plack, mod_perl, DBIx::Class 17:58 libsysguy looks like koha is on the right track 17:58 libsysguy I stumbled across this today: http://modernperl.net/developers/web-application-development.html 16:46 mtompset First two 'make test' failures. Last one, runtime failures. 16:46 mtompset Test::MockModule, DBD::Mock, unzip. 16:45 mtompset Guess I'll bug report that later. Time to sleep. 16:45 mtompset Mock modules didn't make it into Ubuntu lists. 16:45 * mtompset frowns. 15:48 mtompset Oops.. wrong window. 15:48 mtompset mysql -u root -p\ 15:36 mtompset Nice power blip on my end. 15:28 mtompset So fast... Did you bring some BBQ back for us? ;) -- too slow. :) 15:20 tcohen have a nice weekend 15:19 mtompset Bye. 15:19 tcohen mtompset, jcamins: attending to an 'asado', gotta leave! 15:17 mtompset Enjoy. 15:17 * jcamins_away really leaves. 15:17 mtompset because it greped for "Install" 15:16 mtompset was broken for non-english setups. 15:16 jcamins_away I'm heading out to the World Maker Faire (http://makerfaire.com/newyork/2012/schedule/index.html) in just a few minutes, though. 15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality 15:16 mtompset bug 8840 15:16 jcamins_away I occasionally walk by and glance at IRC. 15:16 jcamins_away Hehe. 15:16 jcamins_away (note: I have no idea what we're talking about, and I'm leaving again posthaste) 15:16 mtompset Before you aren't here again, jcamins_away. Why do you keep coming in and out? 15:15 * jcamins_away uses that frequently when rebasing complicated patches. Sometimes it's easier to repeat the changes in another patch than it is to merge them. 15:15 mtompset And I have no problem with that, because frankly, you found the problem... I merely helped with a couple pieces. 15:14 jcamins_away tcohen: you can change the author of the patch by doing `git commit --amend --author=<tcohen@email.com>` 15:14 * jcamins_away isn't here, but: 15:09 mtompset than have to install dselect. 15:08 mtompset Frankly, it's much easier to say: run script X, and cut and paste the command it gives you. 15:08 mtompset Mimics and corrects old behaviour. 15:07 mtompset No sudo calls. 15:07 mtompset Why wouldn't it? 15:07 tcohen i just hope it gets accepted 15:06 mtompset As long as it works. :) 15:06 mtompset obsolete mine. 15:06 mtompset Redo the same patch on your machine. 15:05 tcohen the patch works perfectlyk 15:05 tcohen i preferred the patch wasnt marked as done by you 15:05 mtompset Take a look at the patch, make sure it is working for you. 15:04 tcohen its ok for me 15:04 mtompset You left at 11 after the hour, and I didn't get a patch and plan posted until 30 minutes or so later. 15:03 tcohen ? 15:03 mtompset Sorry for being slow yesterday. 15:03 tcohen hi mtompset 15:03 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 13:39 mtompset Declare, define, state, initialize before use -- All generally good things. :) 13:38 Waylon will do. 13:38 mtompset It's probably a good idea? That's my gut feeling, but I could be wrong. 13:37 Waylon if im calling a sub by its full path, do i need to 'use' it at the top of the perl file? 13:36 mtompset That's why that perldocs link is so useful. 13:35 Waylon rightyo! 13:35 Waylon C4::Members::Attributes::GetBorrowerAttributeValue 13:35 Waylon oh.. not the one 13:34 Waylon ah... found C4::Members::Attributes::GetAttributes 13:34 * jcamins_away leaves again. 13:34 jcamins_away Not very. It _is_ in C4::Patroncards. 13:32 * Waylon just now read the SELECT statement. 13:32 Waylon okay, name was misleading. 13:32 Waylon oo.... your right... 13:31 jcamins_away Waylon: that has nothing to do with extended attributes. 13:31 Waylon so overwriting the data i actually want with the name... 13:30 Waylon C4::Patroncards::Libs::get_borrower_attributes says that 13:30 Waylon 13:30 Waylon $borrower_attributes->{'branchcode'} = $sth->fetchrow_hashref()->{'branchname'}; 13:30 Waylon okay.... 13:30 cait you lostme 13:29 Waylon $b->{'a'} can still have data even when $b->{'a'}->{'a'} exists with different data? 13:29 cait just designed for something else 13:29 cait g 13:29 cait well probably not a bu 13:29 Waylon hmmm. 13:27 Waylon with no override. 13:27 Waylon but yea, rather stupid serious bug. 13:26 Waylon well.. i did a search for borrower_attributes, and this is the only sub that actually got attributes. 13:26 cait I think there sure is one for getting the branchcode for a borrower 13:26 cait not usre, but i would keep looking 13:26 cait hm 13:25 Waylon or codes, that a user has in borrower_attributes and in their homebranch field. 13:25 mtompset Oh, okay... that's what you mean. 13:25 cait I heard they refer to it as baby perl 13:25 drojf mtompset: all the little perl i know i learned from my import. a programmer would kill me if i showed it to them 13:25 cait from what for what? 13:25 Waylon get the branchcode 13:25 cait what are you trying to do? 13:25 Waylon but what if i actually want the branchcode? 13:24 cait drojf: you outgrew noob status :) 13:24 mtompset drojf: You're a noob? What does that make me? 13:24 cait Waylon: maybe it was designed to pass the data somewhere for display 13:24 drojf think of noobs like me, document everything 13:24 Waylon though... what the, asking for branchcode, gives you branchname instead?! 13:24 cait yeah, but if there is no pod it should have some 13:23 Waylon eh? its fairly selfdocumented, for a developer. 13:22 cait maybe consider documenting it :) 13:22 cait oh 13:21 Waylon hm.. theres basically no commenting, for it... but its easily readable code. yay. 13:20 cait :) 13:20 wahanui perldoc is at http://perldoc.koha-community.org for the C4 modules and more 13:20 cait Waylon: perldoc? 13:19 Waylon yeah, ill use that. 13:19 Waylon C4::Patroncards::Libs::get_borrower_attributes 13:19 Waylon ahh 13:16 Waylon greetings all. Is there a sub somewhere, that, given a code, retrieves all data in borrower_attributes where code=given code for a borrowernumber? 13:01 * jcamins_away leaves again 13:01 jcamins_away mtompset: that is correct. Use the user's crontab. 13:01 mtompset The Ubuntu instructions create an /etc/cron.d/koha cronjob using sudo. Should all git and tarball installs use user crontab files and not /etc/cron.d /etc/cron.hourly or /etc/cron.daily? Feedback needed. 13:00 mtompset ping? 12:51 SzosszeNET have luck :) 12:51 cait ok, but I have to run, buy food 12:51 cait I think you ar enot doing bad so far 12:51 SzosszeNET I mean I need to understand it on sysadmin level 12:50 SzosszeNET on the other hand I'm not sure where to start the learing of koha 12:49 SzosszeNET sure, but this was meant as a side task :) the main task is now to build a debian powered, zfs based NAS :) 12:48 cait it's not impossible 12:48 cait it depends 12:48 cait hm 12:48 SzosszeNET No chance that I could familiarize myself in few months with Koha to build a working system :) 12:47 cait heh 12:45 SzosszeNET so I'll convince the company I work for to hire a koha expert for this :D 12:45 SzosszeNET great :) 11:50 cait I think th title is not so likely to be the problem 11:50 cait hm 11:50 SzosszeNET can't it be? 11:49 SzosszeNET maybe the title is not properly recorded... 11:49 cait running out of ideas a bit 11:49 cait hm 11:49 SzosszeNET 50 11:49 SzosszeNET got it 11:48 SzosszeNET Home › Administration › System preferences ? which tab? 11:47 cait check your maxreserves system preference 11:47 cait ok 11:47 SzosszeNET no "Cannot place hold" + "Too Many Holds: Gabor Majoros has too many holds." + "No copies are available to be placed on hold" 11:45 cait is the staff patron from the same branch as the item? 11:44 cait can you set a ahold in staff client? 11:44 cait it's a bit hard to diagnose 11:44 SzosszeNET for staff/admin it's 100 11:43 cait and you set the maxreservesallowed higher than 0? 11:43 SzosszeNET it's a book type, not marked not for load 11:43 cait legitimate reasons 11:42 cait there are lots of reasons why the system would prevent a hold 11:42 cait is the itemtype marked as not for loan maybe? 11:42 cait did you allow holds in the circ rules? 11:42 SzosszeNET and with a real (staff) parton, Borrowernumber : 22, however the card number is "mag" (ad login name...) 11:39 SzosszeNET made circ rules in the 3.8, but still tells that "Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold." 11:38 cait with no circ rules it will never work 11:28 SzosszeNET than all borrow was done I think via the staff interface in 3.1 11:27 SzosszeNET there were no circ rules 11:27 SzosszeNET hmm 11:26 SzosszeNET oh yes 11:25 cait and oyu should have entries for patron categories, branches and itemtypes first of course 11:25 cait thre are the circulation rules 11:25 cait one step back 11:25 SzosszeNET so I'm at Home › Administration › Item types administration 11:25 SzosszeNET should be sufficient :) 11:24 SzosszeNET I mean superlibrarian :) 11:24 SzosszeNET done ;) 11:24 cait create yourself a staff account with all permissions 11:24 SzosszeNET okay 11:24 cait also in staff 11:24 cait you will see weird things happening with the root user 11:23 SzosszeNET just the admin interface is used with root 11:23 cait but still :) 11:23 cait ok 11:23 cait always work and configure using a staff patron 11:23 SzosszeNET oh, the borrow was attempted by a real patron 11:23 cait so the system gets really confused 11:23 cait it has no borrowernumber 11:23 cait the roo user is no borrower in the borrowers table 11:23 SzosszeNET so I have item types, but cannot see hear circ rules 11:22 cait only if it prompts you for a database update 11:22 cait well 11:22 SzosszeNET ok 11:22 SzosszeNET :D 11:22 cait ever 11:22 cait yeah don#t do that 11:22 SzosszeNET could work with any (actually using the root) 11:21 cait are you working with the root user or a real staff account? 11:21 cait also 11:21 cait make sure you enter at least a rule for all librareies all itemtypes and all patron categories 11:21 cait under administration 11:20 cait so have you set up circulation rules? 11:20 cait I still think it's fixable 11:20 cait maybe 11:20 SzosszeNET the expert would leave with gray hair :D At least I don't see the actual mess :D 11:20 SzosszeNET and probably the current db is a mess, that's the reason it works like as I see... 11:19 SzosszeNET :D I'm also an external consultant at the company :) 11:18 cait I think 11:18 cait there are experts you could hire 11:18 cait well 11:17 SzosszeNET I'm getting to the conclusion that I would make use a koha expert for a few days :D 11:17 cait you said you set up your itemtypes :) 11:17 SzosszeNET cait, i don't know how should it like :D 11:17 cait have you set up your circulation rules? 11:17 cait descriptions for the itemtype show? 11:16 cait does it look right? 11:16 wahanui rumour has it the item is supposed to be overdued over two days already 11:16 cait the item 11:16 cait or I hope that's it 11:16 cait probably missing configuraton 11:16 cait yeah 11:15 SzosszeNET in 3.8, same title, same steps Result : Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold. Title Paul Wilmott on quantitative finance. , by Wilmott, Paul. No available items. 11:15 SzosszeNET so in 3.1 I put the title to cart, open cart tick the title, hit on "place hold" Result : Koha error The following fatal error has occurred: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /opt/koha/harley/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-reserve.pl line 96. 11:13 cait it's probably just not configured 11:13 cait and it does allow everything the earlier version did andmore 11:13 cait SzosszeNET: what do you mean by opac borrow? 11:13 mtompset No scripts necessary then. :) 11:13 mtompset Oh, okay. 11:12 SzosszeNET just did a marc import :) 11:12 mtompset Did you remember to run the scripts? 11:12 mtompset 3.8 from 3.1? 11:10 SzosszeNET hmm koha 3.1 does not allow opac borrow? 10:15 SzosszeNET hmm...now seems ok... 10:13 SzosszeNET I do 10:13 cait do you have your branchcodes and itemtypes configured? 10:13 SzosszeNET # File name Comments Status Staged # Bibs # Items Action 3 koha.mrc imported 2012-09-29 12:06:34 381 428 (Create label batch) 10:13 SzosszeNET think so, tho I can imagine that the current Koha instance is not used/filled properly that that causes import issues 10:10 cait and your data had items data? 10:10 cait hm 10:09 SzosszeNET ah, it's set to "always add items" 10:08 cait and I think when you export, you need to check something too maybe 10:08 cait at the bottom 10:08 cait I think when you stage the import 10:06 SzosszeNET yes, I did import to 3.8 from 3.1, where is that checkbox? :) 10:04 cait did you check the check for items checkbox? 10:04 cait you imported into 3.8? 10:02 SzosszeNET hmm, seems the marc import is not 100% good, the manifests are missing (where the book is available, number of copies, item type...) 09:47 SzosszeNET well, under overdue there is some entry - probably we should improve on koha usage 09:45 cait if you have patrons they probably circulate items :) 09:44 SzosszeNET circ - no idea...noob on koha remember? :) Have patrons, but I'll get rid all of them and restart with ad intregrated user managment 09:42 cait does the library do circ? has patrons? 09:42 cait I am still sticking to the plan I recommended and then you will see how it turns out :) 09:41 SzosszeNET indeed, but we are talking approx 500 records I think...so not a huge manual work to re-upload the e-content 09:40 cait if you export the marc out it will still be the same 09:39 cait but I wonder about the relative URL? 09:39 SzosszeNET so might be better to export marc than import 09:39 cait there is an URL field in items 09:39 cait unusual 09:39 cait hm 09:38 SzosszeNET ie : Item type Location Call Number Status Last seen Barcode URL Electronic bookshelf Available 2012-07-13 /media/isbn/9999900739 09:37 cait that's the usual way of doing it 09:37 cait either it's a customization or they only put links in the records? 09:37 cait that's a feature in the works now, not yet in 09:37 cait this early koha has no option to upload files 09:37 cait hm 09:37 cait and koha will take care of the database updates itsef 09:37 cait important is to not miss running the script I mentioned 09:37 SzosszeNET also as I found has e-books uploaded and videos, but those I assume are stored as attachments or something 09:37 cait well the dump the database from old and load into new would work then 09:36 SzosszeNET but the multirole server runs koha 3.01, and the dedicated runs 3.08 09:35 SzosszeNET indeed 09:35 cait have koha on a separate server? 09:35 SzosszeNET so it was decided to split it 09:35 cait hm yes 09:35 SzosszeNET the problem is that most have different dependencies, thus the maintenance is quite hard stuff 09:34 SzosszeNET there is a server currently running multiple roles (wiki,svn,koha,jira, etc) 09:33 SzosszeNET :D 09:33 cait and are we talkeing development environment or production system? 09:33 cait well, switch to packages if that makes sense for you 09:33 cait and it's a good time to switch to something like packages 09:33 cait well, you can do that on your real installation too fo course, but i would always do a test run on a test installation 09:32 SzosszeNET hmm 09:32 cait and all should be ok 09:32 cait after running the script, you run the webinstaller to get your database updated 09:32 cait it's noted in the release notes 09:32 cait because that's required for updates from 3.4 and pre 3.4 09:31 cait and run the remove... something... items script 09:31 cait oh 09:31 cait and load it into the new installation 09:31 cait then dump the old database 09:31 cait what you can do is get a test system with 3.08 up and running 09:31 cait there are different ways 09:31 cait hm 09:30 SzosszeNET hmm, any idea what would be the easiest way to migrate from Koha 3.01.00.061 to Koha 3.08.05.000? 09:28 cait true 09:28 cait oh right 09:28 SzosszeNET not breakfast :D 09:28 SzosszeNET hmm...maybe you should look for lunch... 09:28 SzosszeNET that's also a working idea 09:27 cait no microwave :) 09:27 SzosszeNET go for simple :D roll + cheese + microwave :D 09:24 cait I am still working on that 09:24 cait good idea 09:24 SzosszeNET I'll get some breakfast 09:23 cait heh 09:21 SzosszeNET http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Librarians 09:20 SzosszeNET bit like w40k :) 09:20 SzosszeNET kind of funny, but cool :) 09:19 SzosszeNET long ago :D 09:19 cait yep 09:19 SzosszeNET hm? you mean the permission level? 09:18 cait did you find the superlibrarian in koha yet? ;) 09:18 cait we should bring some capes to next kohacon 09:18 SzosszeNET lol :D 09:18 cait and some of the koha people are my super heros... so it kinda fits 09:18 SzosszeNET :D 09:18 SzosszeNET apparently that's true... 09:17 cait we are all geeks here :) 09:17 SzosszeNET my bad :) 09:17 cait only laughed about the connection between kohacon and comicon 09:17 cait nope 09:16 SzosszeNET thought the "lol" is for comicon, and you laughed because of the fact I'm interested in it - also it's quite geek/nerd/etc stuff :D 09:14 cait hm? 09:13 SzosszeNET why? :) I'm a geek, and? :D 09:12 cait lol 09:12 cait next one will be in reno 09:12 SzosszeNET have heard of comicon tho :) 09:12 cait right now it's a yearly thing which is great 09:11 SzosszeNET did not even know that kohacon exists :) 09:11 cait I really liked the city, even if the weather was not very nice to us 09:11 cait ah 09:11 SzosszeNET no, I just started with koha 09:11 cait you weren't at kohacon, were you? 09:10 cait ah 09:10 SzosszeNET I live in Edinburgh ;) 09:10 SzosszeNET must be lovely 09:10 SzosszeNET :D 09:10 cait right at the lake 09:10 cait yep 09:09 SzosszeNET hmm, next to Bodensee :) 09:09 cait southern germany - I live in Konstanz 09:08 SzosszeNET and cait, what part of Germany are you from? 09:04 cait thx 09:04 mtompset cait++ # nice proposal 09:03 cait thankfully 09:03 cait it's only supposed to last 6 months 09:03 SzosszeNET almost like marriage :D 09:03 SzosszeNET yup, nice proposal :) 09:02 cait heh 08:59 SzosszeNET good for mornings :) kickstarter :D 08:59 cait not yet 08:59 SzosszeNET http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAz_UvnUeuU do you know this? :) 08:58 cait [off] http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Katrin%27s_Proposal_for_QAM_3.12 this one 08:58 SzosszeNET the proposal :) 08:58 cait it is 08:58 SzosszeNET http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1041829/ 08:58 SzosszeNET it's too early :) 08:58 SzosszeNET :D 08:57 cait for qam 08:57 cait oh right 08:57 SzosszeNET "<cait>: and busy getting my proposal in place" 08:57 SzosszeNET sometimes English in confusing - don't get how scotish people understand each other sometimes :D 08:57 cait I didn't say anything about proposing? 08:57 cait hm 08:56 SzosszeNET well could be anything else btw 08:56 SzosszeNET to propose usually refers to the act when the partner is asked about... :) 08:55 SzosszeNET sorry 08:55 SzosszeNET :D 08:55 cait you got me really confused now 08:55 SzosszeNET Scotland or Kohacon? :D 08:55 cait ? 08:54 SzosszeNET wow, so are you getting married? 08:54 * cait was in scotland for kohacon this year - it was awesome 08:54 cait oh interesting :) 08:54 SzosszeNET I'm from Hungary, but live in Scotland 08:53 SzosszeNET but of course I won't leave you without answer :) 08:53 cait I am from germany 08:53 SzosszeNET ;) 08:53 cait and busy getting my proposal in place 08:53 cait yeah, too tired 08:53 SzosszeNET missed yesterday, told to jcamins ;) 08:52 cait where are you from SzosszeNET? 08:50 SzosszeNET me too, also quite busy with experiencing koha :) 08:49 cait was too sleepy to follow the discussions 08:49 cait I don't know 08:45 SzosszeNET what was last night's deceison? :) Will be a rasbpi cluster? :) 08:44 cait morning 08:43 SzosszeNET morning! :) 08:37 * mtompset hands magnuse virtual buko pie. ;) 08:37 cait hi mtompset 08:37 cait hope you find some :) 08:36 * magnuse wanders off in search of food 08:36 magnuse hiya mtompset 08:36 mtompset Greetings, magnuse and cait 08:31 cait kia ora magnuse :) 08:31 magnuse kia ora cait 08:13 * magnuse waves 07:49 * mtompset sighs, "There are so many stupid things people can do. Writing an uninstall script is hard." 07:26 mtompset I forgot to mention sudo apt-get remove koha-common. DOH! 07:26 mtompset Oh, and I did fix one tiny problem in the Uninstall instructions for http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 07:22 * mtompset grumbles about caring about security. 07:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script 07:22 mtompset Back to working on bug 459 07:21 mtompset greetings, drojf 07:00 Oak hmm :) 07:00 mtompset don't THINK he'll... 07:00 mtompset I don't he'll be answering. :) 06:59 huginn mtompset: magnuse was last seen in #koha 19 hours, 16 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <magnuse> and in the irc logs for that matter :-) 06:59 mtompset @seen magnuse 06:58 Oak magnuse 06:58 Oak greetings mtompset :) 06:48 mtompset Greetings, Oak 06:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #858: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/858/ 06:16 harit IS there a way to customize the koha ils webpage. Is it done via the administration module? or editing is necessary? . I can see a section called important links. 05:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 05:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #858 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #856 19 hr ago) 05:00 rangi eythian: https://picasaweb.google.com/109541659253504201026/PowhiriAndLaunchOfTeTakereNewCommunityAndCulturalCentreInLevin <-- looks like the rest of it went well 01:13 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7747419/Man-arrested-at-Levin-protest <-- looks like an annoying start for the new HLT library