Time Nick Message 22:55 SzosszeNET found thanks :) 22:55 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Costume Masks in the collection http://t.co/lzXCKasE" 22:52 SzosszeNET or where it is 22:52 SzosszeNET DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_groupkoha`.`borrowers`, CONSTRAINT `borrowers_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`branchcode`) REFERENCES `branches` (`branchcode`)) 22:52 SzosszeNET what is the branchcode on koha GUI? 22:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8659 normal, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Stable , Inactive funds in neworderempty not disabled in IE/Opera 22:29 jenkins_koha maxime.pelletier: Bug 8659 Remove and readd the inactive funds in javascript to make it work in all browsers 22:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #188: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/188/ 22:23 * rangi heads out 22:21 rangi http://perldoc.koha-community.org/C4/Auth_with_ldap.html#KOHA_CONF_and_field_mapping 22:20 rangi The <mapping> subelements establish the relationship between mysql fields and LDAP attributes. The element name is the column in mysql, with the "is" characteristic set to the LDAP attribute name. Optionally, any content between the element tags is taken as the default value. In this example, the default categorycode is "PT" (for patron). 22:20 rangi from the man 22:19 rangi you have just a mix up in your config 22:19 rangi and employeetype is the AD field 22:19 rangi where PFRSTAFF is your default 22:19 rangi you need something like that 22:19 rangi <categorycode is="employeetype" >PFRSTAFF</categorycode> 22:18 drojf and you said you have 'user' in the ldap config 22:18 drojf you can only set the categorycode in caps 22:18 drojf BUT 22:18 drojf yes 22:17 SzosszeNET and here code is the categorycode 22:17 SzosszeNET Home › Administration › Patron categories 22:17 SzosszeNET just to clear out 22:16 SzosszeNET indeed 22:16 drojf but then it would not say its empty i guess 22:15 drojf maybe caps some place and not the other? 22:15 drojf it sounds like you dont have set that categorycode in koha administration, at least not exactly like in your ldap config 22:12 SzosszeNET I think not supposed to be in the mapping... 22:11 SzosszeNET so the question how do I set the default categorycode? 22:11 drojf oh 22:11 drojf not really 22:11 SzosszeNET kind of crazy 22:11 drojf ah i see 22:11 SzosszeNET so I'm authenticating with a to be patron which does not exist yet :) 22:10 SzosszeNET and where I am - as I told I authenticate against AD - first time. What happens as I found I authenticte and koha creates my login on first logon 22:10 drojf ok so much for my ideas, go on having fun ;) 22:09 SzosszeNET that's the category code - but the mapping is not used/accepted as it is...I think 22:09 drojf also, is "user" your categorycode or the description of that code? 22:08 SzosszeNET yes 22:07 drojf does that make sense? 22:07 drojf you have a database user (the one in koha-conf.xml) that you use to login for the first time and do database upgrades after updates. that is not a full patron or staff member. in case you are trying to authenticate an existing patron that should probably be tried with one you entered yourself 22:03 SzosszeNET <drojf>: are you using a real patron or your database user? please clarify :) 22:02 SzosszeNET <categorycode is="user"/> 22:02 SzosszeNET yes, and also already created a category in koha "user" 22:02 drojf are you using a real patron or your database user? 22:01 drojf do you have categorycode in your mapping? 22:01 SzosszeNET but the process stops as :DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'categorycode' cannot be null at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/SQLHelper.pm line 184, <DATA> line 522. AddMember failed at /usr/share/koha/lib//C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 178, <DATA> line 522. 22:01 SzosszeNET now as ldap does resolve and authenticate koha is supposed to store the user in mysql 22:00 SzosszeNET I mean 22:00 SzosszeNET it's koha+ldap 22:00 SzosszeNET it's working 22:00 SzosszeNET it's not LDAP anymore 22:00 SzosszeNET :D 21:59 drojf not that i know anything about ldap 21:58 drojf SzosszeNET: that somehow sounds like the OU jcamins_away mentioned 21:51 jenkins_koha Starting build #188 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8702 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , System preferences search does not allow accented letters 21:51 jenkins_koha fridolyn.somers: Bug 8702: System preferences search does not allow accented letters 21:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #187: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/187/ 21:39 SzosszeNET Think is in pair with this : opac-user.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'categorycode' cannot be null at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SQLHelper.pm line 184, <DATA> line 522., 21:33 SzosszeNET but "AddMember failed at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 169." 21:33 SzosszeNET :D 21:33 SzosszeNET got it work 21:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #187 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:09 SzosszeNET \o/ 21:09 SzosszeNET would be interested :D 21:08 drojf +1 for pi cluster 21:08 drojf rambutan: right? plack is witchcraft 21:08 jcamins Both are important. 21:08 rambutan Koha Pi Cluster, anyone? 21:08 jcamins And how you did not fix the problem. 21:08 jcamins Yes, definitely be sure to note down how you fix the problem. 21:08 SzosszeNET :) bind-by-auth was enabled 21:08 rambutan drojf: well, that's actually impressive 21:07 drojf whatever you do, feel free to fill lots of wiki pages and blog posts with what you find out, i might have to do ldap configuration one day 21:07 jcamins Yes, it is past 5pm on a Friday for me, why do you ask? 21:06 jcamins Or re-envision it in an edgy and unconventional gothic setting. 21:06 jcamins Or disable it. 21:06 jcamins And you need to enable auth-by-bind. 21:06 jcamins *with 21:06 jcamins Suggestion B is that it's trying to bind by the wrong user. 21:05 SzosszeNET ;) 21:05 jcamins SzosszeNET: I warned you I didn't know what I was talking about. ;) 21:04 drojf rambutan: i would put it on a second pi if i had one ;) 21:04 drojf rambutan: same machine 21:04 SzosszeNET jcamins as the credentials are not ok I think my user if found now... 21:04 rambutan drojf: yea, it's slow, but not really unreasonable. Surely MySql is running on a different machine, right? 21:03 * jcamins speculates wildly that the problem is probably with the OU, then points out that he doesn't generally configure LDAP. 21:02 SzosszeNET however the pw is supposed to be ok... 21:02 SzosszeNET hmmm, hope almost there : LDAP bind failed as kohauser mag: LDAP error #49: LDAP_INVALID_CREDENTIALS 20:57 cait :) 20:57 jcamins Ah. 20:57 drojf technische hochschule. technical university? 20:56 cait maybe a bit too slow to make a good impresssion :) 20:56 drojf lol 20:56 drojf hm she's cait, not kf 20:55 jcamins TH? 20:55 drojf kf: a raspberry pi for every participant in the workshop? we would not have to deal with VMs then ;) i guess the TH could afford to give them out for free 20:52 rambutan drojf: will take a look 20:52 wahanui somebody said progress was good 20:52 jcamins SzosszeNET: progress! 20:52 SzosszeNET yeah! :D 20:52 SzosszeNET finally it talks to me :D 20:52 SzosszeNET F***meeee!!!!!!!!!!!! " 22:48:12 2012] [error] [client 10.42.1.7] [Fri Sep 28 22:48:12 2012] opac-user.pl: LDAP error #32: LDAP_NO_SUCH_OBJECT," 20:52 drojf you could probably feel the speed better if you had seen how it works without plack 20:51 SzosszeNET yep :) 20:51 drojf i think there are servers in production with that speed ;) 20:50 SzosszeNET but not that bad 20:50 SzosszeNET indeed khm...slightly slow :D 20:50 drojf :) 20:49 SzosszeNET drojf first I'll be happy if I can run it on a vmware host :D 20:48 jcamins Do nai feed them or they will follow you home. 20:48 drojf long even 20:48 drojf ah, that person i stopped reading emails of log ago 20:47 drojf we have trolls? 20:47 drojf [off] rambutan SzosszeNET if you'd like to try, that's koha 3.8.5 on the raspberry pi. searching the opac is not really fast, staff client works quite ok for that small machine i would say. opac http://85.179.13.203:5000/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl | staff client http://85.179.13.203:5001/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl username/password 'test' 20:42 jcamins cait: is going to have a borked up system either way, since he wouldn't fix it when I told him to. 20:42 cait but the library... 20:41 cait :( 20:41 jcamins If I thought he might listen, I'd tell him how to fix it, but I know he wouldn't follow the instructions I gave him. 20:41 rangi yep, every reply gives him another opportunity to spread FUD 20:40 jcamins I'm past trying on that. 20:39 rangi you'll see the message on the mailing list 20:39 cait there were so mny 20:39 wahanui somebody said which one was 3.6.x? 20:39 cait which one? 20:39 rangi gah tcohen fed the troll 20:37 SzosszeNET recently was made 240mb possible 20:37 rambutan BOINC performs best with a good GPU, but requires the modules be written specifically for the GPU 20:37 SzosszeNET that was true :) 20:37 drojf maybe we will see that one day. we have 240mb ram now too, when i started they said more than 224 is not possible 20:36 SzosszeNET but that's a quite powerfull beast... 20:36 SzosszeNET shame, the gpu cannot be utilized 20:35 drojf (btw double the speed for standard koha means it is still painfully slow) 20:35 SzosszeNET indeed interesting - shame I'm still not a developer and just explorering koha :) 20:35 drojf but the older benchmarks were master at that time, the overclocked ones were 3.84 and 3.8.5, that might make a difference 20:34 drojf SzosszeNET: the one where i made benchmarks was not overclocked. i have benchmarks with overclocking too (1000mhz), its doubles the speed for standard koha, but it does not do much for the plack version 20:34 rambutan Interesting (10x faster). 20:33 SzosszeNET :) 20:33 jcamins SzosszeNET: drojf insists it ran nice and fast. 20:32 SzosszeNET and was still slow overclocked? 20:32 drojf rambutan: if you have some time, try it with plack, it works quite ok. i made some tests a while ago, its about 10x faster than without http://abunchofthings.net/blog/koha-on-a-raspberry-pi-staff/ 20:32 jcamins SzosszeNET: drojf used to do all his development on his Raspberry pi. 20:32 rambutan Originally my idea was to buy about a dozen and set up a BOINC cluster. 20:31 SzosszeNET not overvolt just overclock , also giving all ram to CPU and taking away almost everything from GPU is also not a bad idea ;) 20:30 rambutan no, and honestly, I've been busy with SA stuff so I haven't had time to play with them much. I know my tech assistant uses his as an ssh access server at home. 20:30 jcamins SzosszeNET: switch to that user so you can set the environment variables and run the script you were trying to run. 20:30 SzosszeNET ? 20:30 SzosszeNET rambutan did you overclock it 20:29 drojf rambutan: tried plack? 20:29 rambutan drojf: I and my tech have a couple of our personal RPIs here. I was thinking about using them for OPACs in the library, but really they are too slow based on our testing. 20:29 SzosszeNET that's true, but what should I do with it? :D 20:28 jcamins I don't know exactly, but you'll be able to tell by looking in /etc/passwd 20:28 jcamins SzosszeNET: groupkoha-koha or something like that. 20:28 SzosszeNET oh, and the user? :$ 20:28 drojf so the pi will just be a normal koha server ;) 20:27 jcamins Heh. Probably not too great. 20:27 drojf i have a feeling that having a lot of files be written and changed all the time was not too great for the sd card 20:27 drojf jcamins: this time its on a vm on my laptop ;) 20:26 drojf or maybe i forget about something brilliant i coded and will never remember lol 20:26 jcamins drojf: this time I recommend against bricking your Raspberry Pi. :P 20:25 drojf no i think i will give copying the whole folder a try and otherwise just work with a clean git. at least i have a working git again 20:25 jcamins We should have a koha-shell utility. 20:25 SzosszeNET okay, thanks 20:23 jcamins In that case I suggest not worrying about it. :) 20:23 drojf some drafts may be lost, some enhancements to my patches that i would probably not have used anyway. 20:23 drojf oh 20:23 jcamins drojf: you were cut off after "some drafts may be lost, some enha..." 20:22 jcamins SzosszeNET: it's also on the wiki, but I just figured out how to get that information out of wahanui. 20:22 jcamins (and export PERL5LIB=/usr/lib/koha 20:22 SzosszeNET checked on the wiki... :S 20:22 SzosszeNET grrr... 20:22 drojf jcamins: i'm looking into that. what git fsck says and all, but somehow having "corruption" wirtten everywhere is a little scary. there seem to be some ways to crawl through bits and pieces of git. and there was not actually lots of unique stuff in it. most was stuff from k-c.org i tested so it does not matter, some was my own but i think most of that is on the bug tracker. i have not been working on any huge projects, some drafts may be lost, some enha 20:21 jcamins It'll be something like export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/groupkoha/koha-conf.xml 20:21 jcamins ^^ SzosszeNET: take a look in there for an example of setting KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB 20:21 wahanui i think install.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 20:21 jcamins install.debian? 20:20 cait drojf: heh 20:18 jcamins Doesn't matter if the branches that are upstream are recoverable. 20:18 jcamins drojf: maybe some of the branches that weren't from git.k-c.org will be recoverable? 20:16 * drojf is referring to the proposal of course, not really calling cait annoying 20:16 drojf say even 20:16 drojf i did not day annoying object ;) 20:15 drojf lol cait, i talk about my git operation ;) 20:15 drojf but well, i got the segmentation fault in the middle of trying to git me a 3.8.5, so that was not completely unexpected 20:15 cait hope you didn't talk about me 20:14 cait drojf: fatal object? :) 20:13 drojf i try to get the whole folder over anyway 20:13 drojf i tried it already 20:13 jcamins Darn. 20:13 drojf doesnt work 20:13 * jcamins has never used it. 20:13 jcamins --full? 20:13 jcamins git fsck? 20:13 drojf it's all completely b0rked 20:12 jcamins drojf: uh-oh. 20:12 drojf "fatal: object abde5352a48aef47f0e459160d9d6e91a9b39df4 is corrupted"-- 20:12 drojf cait++ 20:11 jcamins cait++ 20:11 drojf oh look, we have a possible future QA manager :) 20:09 jcamins \o/ 20:08 cait it's done 20:08 jcamins Switch to the system user and set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB. 20:08 SzosszeNET what am I supposed to do? :) 20:08 SzosszeNET so...searched the wiki, but not sure... 20:06 jcamins I mean, they have different naming schemes. 20:05 SzosszeNET that's true 20:05 jcamins Sorry, MySQL user and system user are different. 20:05 jcamins No, groupkoha-koha 20:05 jcamins (koha_groupkoha) 20:05 libsysguy ^^ 20:05 jcamins And by running as the correct user. 20:05 libsysguy looks like you need to export KOHA_CONF 20:05 jcamins You need to set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB. 20:04 SzosszeNET I know ;) 20:04 SzosszeNET /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-user.pl userid=mag@domain.be password=secretcode >junk Can't locate C4/Auth.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-user.pl l 20:03 jcamins SzosszeNET: that's the blog post that libsysguy wrote. 20:03 SzosszeNET jcamins libsysguy! :D https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150321097398209 19:35 rambutan humm, that bit is interesting actually (CA hosting) 19:34 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails ByWater Solutions Offers Canadian Based Koha Hosting Services http://t.co/EqZ6YPaA" 19:30 SzosszeNET I'm no programmer... 19:30 jcamins If you're not comfortable with Perl, you could end up with an even worse situation very quickly. :( 19:29 * jcamins can't really recommend that, though. 19:29 jcamins SzosszeNET: you could try setting $C4::Debug::debug = 1; in C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm, I guess. 19:29 SzosszeNET *almost 19:29 SzosszeNET as I found should be logged to the "opac-error.log" but that's empty 19:28 SzosszeNET the strange stuff why is a bad login attempt not logged? :D at all 19:27 SzosszeNET hmm http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-May/018547.html this also does not help... 19:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Headings in OPAC bib details should link to authority record 19:08 jcamins bug 8210. 19:08 jcamins The other is... 19:08 jcamins There are two. 19:08 nengard thanks 19:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , opac-detail subject/author links improvements 19:08 jcamins nengard: bug 5888 and... 19:08 nengard jcamins (or anyone) what patch added the little magnifying classes in the opac next to authority fields? 19:07 * SzosszeNET is just a half crazy M$ - debian admin hybrid... 19:06 SzosszeNET :D 19:06 libsysguy but I'm a (self proclaimed) developer :p 19:06 libsysguy usually its the fastest for me 19:05 * jcamins has never had a use for debug mode. I guess adding warnings the way libsysguy usually does is the only way to go. 19:05 bag hello 19:04 SzosszeNET this cannot be true 19:04 SzosszeNET grr... 19:04 SzosszeNET no change... 19:04 huginn rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <bag> ah 145 tables seems better :) 19:04 rambutan @seen bag 19:03 SzosszeNET tried with stop than start (apache) 19:02 jcamins However, after that thought I'm out of ideas. 19:02 jcamins I have a vague recollection that you have to shut down Apache entirely in order to restart a virtual host using HTTPS. 19:02 SzosszeNET no change... 19:00 SzosszeNET oh 19:00 jcamins SzosszeNET: like so: SetEnv KOHA_DEBUG "1" 19:00 SzosszeNET jcamins quotes? where? ) 18:59 SzosszeNET the error log just contains : [Fri Sep 28 19:53:46 2012] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Fri Sep 28 19:53:47 2012] [notice] Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) mod_ssl/2.2.16 OpenSSL/0.9.8o configured -- resuming normal operations [Fri Sep 28 19:54:32 2012] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Fri Sep 28 19:54:33 2012] [notice] Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) mod_ssl/2. 18:59 * jcamins is just guessing. 18:59 jcamins SzosszeNET: try putting the 1 in quotes. 18:59 SzosszeNET and apache logs clean 18:58 SzosszeNET I've restarted apache :D 18:57 libsysguy I had one weird case where it piped to there 18:57 libsysguy have you looked at the apache logs yet? 18:57 mtj SzosszeNET, restart apache... 18:57 SzosszeNET sure, both for opac+intra 18:57 jcamins And you restarted Apache? 18:57 SzosszeNET looks like this, but the log files don't contain more data 18:57 jcamins You'll need to add that line in two places. 18:57 jcamins Right. 18:56 SzosszeNET hmm, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/groupkoha : ServerAlias groupkoha SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/etc/koha/sites/groupkoha/koha-conf.xml" SetEnv KOHA_DEBUG 1 18:54 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "ByWater Solutions Offers Canadian Based Koha Hosting Services http://t.co/qtmwhdLz #kohails" 18:54 * libsysguy crack whip in oleonards general direction 18:54 libsysguy yeah wherever $debug is 18:54 oleonard_ There, semi-regular afternoon git connectivity blackout over. Back to work. 18:54 jcamins Well, some information. 18:53 jcamins Looks like it will. 18:53 jcamins We don't know if setting debug will actually provide any useful information, though. 18:53 libsysguy its sad I know 18:53 libsysguy those are the only ways I really know how to trouble shoot it 18:52 libsysguy so SzosszeNET you can try what jcamins said or you can start adding print STDERR's in Auth_with_ldap.pm 18:52 jcamins That's weird. 18:52 jcamins Oh. 18:52 oleonard_ No, it's just a random afternoon thing 18:52 jcamins oleonard_: ohhh, filling in at the library with the absurd firewall? 18:51 SzosszeNET :D 18:51 libsysguy have it your way jcamins :p 18:51 libsysguy fine 18:51 libsysguy :p 18:51 jcamins libsysguy: if you are able to test LDAP without the web server, yes. 18:50 libsysguy export KOHA_DEBUG=1; 18:50 libsysguy or could you export it 18:50 jcamins (in your Apache config file) 18:50 jcamins SetEnv KOHA_DEBUG 1 18:50 jcamins The only way I ever knew to change logs was to set KOHA_DEBUG in the environment. 18:50 cait but not sure if it does something actually 18:49 libsysguy grr 18:49 SzosszeNET libsysguy grep -r "LDAP" /var/log - nothing :) 18:49 cait maybe it#s still there 18:49 cait I never tested it 18:49 libsysguy maybe I'll write that after khall finishes the logger 18:49 cait jcamins: there used to be a syspref 18:49 libsysguy that would be nice wouldn't there 18:49 jcamins I was getting excited when you said there was one, 'cause that'd be great. 18:49 libsysguy anyway 18:49 libsysguy i could have sworn 18:49 SzosszeNET :D 18:49 jcamins libsysguy: I don't recall there ever being a way to change log verbosity. 18:49 SzosszeNET 3.08.05.000 18:49 * libsysguy looks at the other devels glaringly 18:48 libsysguy yeah i think there used to be…who changed that 18:48 libsysguy SzosszeNET: maybe try: grep -r "LDAP" /var/log 18:48 SzosszeNET anyway " Home › Administration › System preferences > Logging preferences" there is no verbose logging option (koha 3.8) 18:48 jcamins oleonard: why do you have a semi-regular afternoon git blackout? 18:47 wahanui i heard nothing was a requirement, we have guidelines though 18:47 SzosszeNET and nothing... 18:47 * oleonard is tired of his semi-regular afternoon git connectivity blackout 18:47 SzosszeNET # less /var/log/koha/groupkoha/* | grep LDAP # less /var/log/koha/groupkoha/* | grep ldap 18:45 libsysguy SzosszeNET: i suppose you could grep the logs folder for "LDAP" 18:45 SzosszeNET :D 18:45 libsysguy oh bot u so silly 18:45 libsysguy heh 18:45 wahanui libsysguy: sorry... 18:45 libsysguy wahanui: this time its bad :'( 18:44 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 18:44 libsysguy interesting 18:44 libsysguy hmm 18:44 SzosszeNET you too :) 18:44 mtompset Good day. :) 18:44 SzosszeNET everything else is on log 18:44 SzosszeNET AuthoritiesLog is only "don't log" 18:43 * libsysguy cheats and uses the search for log 18:43 libsysguy yup 18:43 SzosszeNET Home › Administration › System preferences > Logging preferences 18:43 libsysguy Koha Administration -> Logs 18:42 SzosszeNET I think opac :) 18:42 libsysguy from the koha staff page 18:42 libsysguy oh 18:42 SzosszeNET but again, where I enable verbose for logging? :) 18:42 libsysguy oh….well hell 18:42 libsysguy so I can never remember if they go into koha-error_log or koha-opac-error_log 18:42 SzosszeNET just told that 4 file only 18:41 SzosszeNET :) I know where my logs are ;) 18:41 libsysguy i was about to suggest running find :p 18:41 libsysguy ah 18:41 SzosszeNET they are at /var/log/koha 18:41 * libsysguy takes that as a no :p 18:40 libsysguy anybody else know where logs are on a standard install? 18:39 SzosszeNET those 4 log files do exist :) 18:39 SzosszeNET intranet-error.log zebra-error.log opac-error.log zebra-output.log 18:39 * libsysguy is not too familiar with production installs 18:38 libsysguy i think 18:38 libsysguy and you can find those in.../var/logs/koha_error-log 18:38 libsysguy that should turn on logging for everything 18:38 libsysguy yeah so in the koha sysprefs set your logs to verbose 18:38 libsysguy and typically that means that the connection is refused or the principal name is malformed 18:38 SzosszeNET libsysguy but with that I could debug (or have some idea) what is wrong with my ldap binding 18:37 libsysguy the only reason it would fail at the point you're at would be if the bind failed 18:37 SzosszeNET jcamins enjoy 18:37 * jcamins goes to eat some lunch. 18:36 libsysguy it depends on how verbose the logs are set to log in your system preferences 18:36 jcamins SzosszeNET: not be default. Your logs would be massive. 18:36 SzosszeNET my logs are almost empty :) 18:36 SzosszeNET on the orther hand also wondering should not koha log missed login attempts? 18:34 SzosszeNET if I join the host to AD users should be able to log in to the host - if they can log in the host knows who they are so could learn them koha - kerberos 18:34 libsysguy how so? 18:33 SzosszeNET is not it possible to twist around this 18:33 SzosszeNET I'm just wondering 18:33 libsysguy heh 18:33 SzosszeNET tried it but...I just don't have nerves to it 18:32 libsysguy and requires some troubleshooting 18:32 SzosszeNET to bad I'm not a programmer mind... 18:32 libsysguy ldap is almost always 100% a pain in the ass 18:32 libsysguy :) 18:32 libsysguy exactly 18:32 SzosszeNET ahm, so basic debugging... 18:32 libsysguy so you can enter: print STDERR "LDAP bind failed as kohauser $principal_name: ". description($res); 18:31 libsysguy well when I am troubleshooting these setups for work I typically start by adding some print statements around where I think the problem is occuring 18:31 SzosszeNET still the world did not end :D 18:31 SzosszeNET I could open it ;) 18:30 libsysguy :p 18:30 libsysguy then I don't trust you to open Auth_with_ldap.pm 18:30 libsysguy heh damn 18:30 SzosszeNET none at all :) 18:29 libsysguy how perl savvy are you SzosszeNET 18:28 libsysguy okay 18:28 libsysguy but the user you're testing with is there 18:28 SzosszeNET but normal users are in that OU 18:27 SzosszeNET well, almost, the technical ones are not there 18:27 SzosszeNET yes 18:27 libsysguy all all your users reside in the OU "Domain" 18:26 libsysguy ok so looking at this, you're users are allowed to bind and the bind is supposed to occur using the distinguished name 18:26 SzosszeNET good questions... 18:24 SzosszeNET libsysguy : http://pastie.org/4857001 18:24 nengard okay still no checkboxes in the staff client 18:24 nengard poo 18:24 nengard i was on the opac 18:24 nengard oh damn ? 18:23 oleonard (demo/demo) 18:23 oleonard nengard: http://head.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=au:%22Lessig,%20Lawrence.%22 18:22 libsysguy and does your AD setup bind on the DN or can it bind on the sAMAccount name 18:22 nengard let me try one more time 18:22 nengard yes 18:22 oleonard nengard: The same search, with the quotes, and the URI::Escape version 3.30? 18:22 libsysguy ok SzosszeNET, so you have an ADLDAP setup. do you have auth_by_bind enabled 18:22 nengard unfortunatly I don't know which one it was 18:21 nengard so you were on the right track 18:21 nengard yes, i think it was one of the modules I updated today 18:21 oleonard nengard: The search that was broken before is working now? 18:21 SzosszeNET if that answers your question 18:21 nengard I did not update the one you said, but a test today shows that the search is doing the right thing 18:20 nengard there were several modules that were optional that I was missing that I installed this morning 18:20 SzosszeNET won't go into details sorry the easy way an M$ active directory domain on windows server 2003, but the operation level is 2000 18:20 oleonard Okay nengard, I didn't understand what you said. You don't think it was the module why? 18:19 libsysguy im sorry, I don't follow 18:18 SzosszeNET here I did go on easy way 18:18 SzosszeNET huhuuu :D 18:18 libsysguy what type of LDAP setup do you have? 18:17 libsysguy that is the file that actually does the ldap bits of authentication 18:17 SzosszeNET libsysguy could you give some hint regarding Auth_with_ldap.pm? :) 18:09 oleonard Hang on, afk. 18:08 drojf rofl 18:08 wahanui one of those is entirely extraneous. 18:08 nengard one of those 18:08 libsysguy I always have to go in and add my own output to Auth_with_ldap.pm 18:08 nengard it works now and i updated a bunch of other modules today 18:08 nengard oleonard i don't think that was the module! 18:08 libsysguy you will probably have a hard time trouble shooting 18:07 libsysguy sorry SzosszeNET I stepped away 18:07 nengard okay, how do i update it using cpan? I think that's what i used to install it 18:06 oleonard I don't know what the solution is, but I'm curious whether upgrading fixes the problem for you. 18:06 nengard and how do i update it using cpan? 18:06 nengard do we need to update something on the about page to make it clear that the newer version is required? 18:05 nengard hmmm 18:05 oleonard But there is a newer version, since I have 3.31 18:05 nengard so it's the right version isn't it? 18:05 nengard not highlighted in red or yellow 18:05 nengard URI::Escape 3.30 18:04 oleonard I did so via the about page 18:03 oleonard nengard: did you check your installation's version of URI::Escape? 18:00 SzosszeNET okay, but those do not contain anything releated to login attempts... 17:59 jcamins I think. 17:59 jcamins SzosszeNET: the log files will be in /var/log/koha/ 17:59 SzosszeNET libsysguy any other hint? These files do not exist in my config ~/koha-dev/var/log... 17:38 SzosszeNET ... have deb install 17:36 libsysguy http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/07/09/koha-ldap/ 17:36 libsysguy yup 17:36 jcamins drojf: the files outside .git are going to be a heck of a lot smaller than files in .git, though. 17:35 jcamins drojf: then, once it's finished copying, do a git checkout [branchname] 17:35 drojf jcamins: makes sense 17:35 jcamins SzosszeNET: libsysguy did a blog post about configuring Koha with LDAP. 17:35 jcamins Copy the .git folder in there. 17:35 jcamins drojf: create a new empty kohaclone directory. 17:35 jcamins drojf: better idea. 17:34 jcamins SzosszeNET: I don't know much about the LDAP configuration. Other than that it's very finicky. 17:34 drojf i think i will try at least. i cannot untar my archive of the old folder for some reason, if i have to transfer it unpacked that will take a while 17:33 SzosszeNET how could I debug active directory ldap? I mean it's set, koha runs, but cannot login with my ad user 17:33 jcamins Maybe. 17:33 jcamins I suppose you might be able to restore normalcy by doing a git reset --hard after the copy. 17:33 jcamins If you copy over .git, it will not know what you currently have checked out. 17:32 drojf jcamins: i was afraid you would say that 17:32 drojf or maybe i'm sane for once, make a copy of the machine before i do anything else so i can actually use something 17:32 jcamins You should be copying the entire repo over, not just kohaclone/.git 17:32 jcamins Ummm... 17:31 drojf so let's break it with my old .git folder ^^ 17:31 jcamins Yay! 17:31 drojf looks all good now 17:26 jcamins oleonard: well, I guess that means the staff client *does* work without javascript. 17:25 jcamins Heh. 17:24 drojf it is working quite well for that error on my side ;) 17:24 drojf it will be in a minute, i assume 17:23 jcamins drojf: so it's working? 17:23 drojf oops. seems i confused virtual machines at some point, this one has the fixed koha-conf.xml but the apache-shared-*.conf files are not fixed. my bad 17:12 jcamins (not that I had any other ideas) 17:07 jcamins Don't see how it could be a browser thing. 17:07 drojf i'll try a differerent browser maybe 17:06 drojf that's interesting 17:06 drojf i see them too 17:05 jcamins Odd. I see those files. 17:05 drojf yes 17:05 oleonard drojf: In master? 17:04 drojf $("#header_search > ul").tabs is not a function 17:04 drojf "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://192.168.1.25:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/jquery-ui.js" 17:04 drojf "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://192.168.1.25:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/jquery-ui.css" 17:04 drojf missing jquery-things 17:04 jcamins Maybe if you click it it will tell you what the errors are? 17:03 drojf firebug indicates a red "2" which is probably not good. now to find out where it tells me what that means 17:00 jcamins Perhaps Paul pushed something incompatible with 8726 right before it? 17:00 jcamins drojf: any javascript errors? 17:00 drojf its ctrl-refresh here but that does not help. funny 16:58 jcamins Not a Shift-refresh, though. 16:57 jcamins Possibly a Ctrl-refresh. 16:57 drojf yes i think i have seen it before and it was easy to get rid of 16:57 mtompset I hate stale CSS! 16:57 jcamins That happens to me all the time when switching between 3.6.x and master, and it's always solved by an Alt-refresh to force a reload of the CSS and Javascript. 16:56 jcamins That's very odd. 16:56 drojf 3.8 and 3.10 actually. refreshing, clearing cache, deleting cookies… did not work. 16:52 jcamins You switched beetween 3.6.x and 3.10.x. 16:52 jcamins drojf: Alt-refresh. 16:51 drojf i see four search bars instead of a tab control on the staff client mainpage from git that i just checked out. is that the code or an error in my koha-conf.xml? 16:50 cait ah good 16:50 jcamins Well, at some point after waking up. 16:50 jcamins cait: when rangi wakes up he'll run updatedatabase. 16:50 cait and back to unstable :( 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7351 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , ability to edit a range of holidays 16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8726: add CSS to CCSR theme 16:49 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8726: Followup FIX save didyoumean syspref 16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8726 follow-up: fix QA issues 16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8726: ExplodedTerms suggestion plugin (jQueryUI) 16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8726: ExplodedTerms suggestion plugin (functionality) 16:49 jenkins_koha * christophe.croullebois: Bug 7351 : feature that allows to delete a range of dates 16:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #857: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/857/ 16:46 SzosszeNET thanks :) 16:45 jcamins SzosszeNET: no, /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml is equivalent to /etc/koha/sites/groupkoha/koha-conf.xml. 16:44 oleonard ...leading to a JS error in the ByWater demo, leading to the symptoms of the bug. 16:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8686 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , author search in staff missing checkboxes and menu 16:44 oleonard Could Bug 8686 be caused by an older version of URI::Escape? Mine is 3.31, ByWater's demo has 3.30. The escaped output of a variable appear different for each 16:43 SzosszeNET does /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml stand for /etc/koha/koha-conf-site.xml.in ? I don't have the first file just the second 16:41 SzosszeNET let's see ad auth :) 16:41 SzosszeNET than 443 and 8443 :) 16:41 SzosszeNET okay 16:40 jcamins You can't easily run Koha out of a subfolder. 16:40 jcamins That's for a subdomain. 16:40 jcamins No. 16:39 SzosszeNET kidding "INTRASUFFIX="admin" # For administration interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name. " from /etc/koha/koha-conf-sites.conf isn't for this? 16:38 jcamins SzosszeNET: I do not think that's easily achievable. 16:38 * cait waves 16:37 SzosszeNET on apache2 it's quite clear that OPAC is on port 443 from now, but how do I archive to put Intranet as well to 443, but /admin ie? 16:36 SzosszeNET :) Italy ;) 16:34 jcamins Fun fact: at some point Isengard was ruled by a man named Luigi. I don't know if he was from Numenor or Gondor. :) 16:25 SzosszeNET anyway no problem, I'm already playing with the apache conf ;) 16:25 SzosszeNET yep, but created the file based on the install tutorial, than went for the db init, but I don't feel that file was used to with my implementation it's not neccesary - however cannot explain why :D 16:23 jcamins Ever since you started talking to me, though, there hasn't been any point in editing that file. You already created the instance. 16:23 jcamins Which may be your problem. 16:22 jcamins It's always worked for me. Though the file is actually /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf. 16:22 SzosszeNET probably I need to calm down I do what I hate - read admins manual :D 16:21 SzosszeNET okay, but what's in there was not used at all :D 16:21 jcamins Once you've created an instance, you need to edit the Apache site file. 16:21 jcamins That's just for creating new instances. 16:20 SzosszeNET hmm just realized that /etc/koha/koha-conf-sites.conf - what I put in it does not matter? :D 16:19 oleonard You'd think by now I'd recognize commit 77b64098, the black hole of template commits. 15:58 oleonard ...among other omniscients. 15:58 SzosszeNET :) 15:57 * oleonard wants to be template-omniscient 15:57 jcamins oleonard: me too. 15:57 oleonard Guh, I hate running across a dumb change to the template and finding out it happened 3 years ago and I just didn't notice 15:56 SzosszeNET oh no, the disable of the default site did solve my issue ;) 15:55 jcamins In that case, it sounds like there's an extra period or something in the site file. You can just open that up and edit it. 15:55 SzosszeNET I do ;) I accessed fqdn:8080 15:53 jcamins The easy solution is to run `sudo a2dissite default` and `sudo apache2ctl restart` 15:53 jcamins SzosszeNET: probably you don't have DNS set up yet? 15:53 SzosszeNET hmm, so port 8080 works, but 80 just gives "It works" but there should be opac, no? 15:43 mtompset Shoot... I think we need to update the ubuntu .packages files. They don't have unzip. 15:43 jcamins Well, darn. There goes that theory. 15:43 oleonard jcamins: Off, same as in the ByWater demo 15:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #857 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 15:42 * mtompset nods. 15:42 jcamins oleonard: do you have UseICU turned on or off? 15:41 jcamins Only in a sample cron script. 15:41 mtompset ./misc/cronjobs/social_data/update_social_data.pl 15:41 mtompset It's referenced in the code. 15:40 jcamins mtompset: that's something else. 15:40 mtompset bunzip2? 15:40 mtompset There it is... unzip. 15:39 jcamins mtompset: just unzip, I think. 15:39 mtompset both, or just one of them? 15:39 SzosszeNET :D 15:38 * oleonard visited Bratislava, stayed at a YMCA which had a movie theater on the ground floor 15:38 jcamins mtompset: yes. 15:38 mtompset jcamins: Did you mention the other day that zip or unzip were required from some functionality in Koha? 15:37 jcamins My wife really likes Tallinn, too. 15:37 SzosszeNET they are also lovely if speaking about capitals 15:37 jcamins We'd like to take a trip to Bratislava and Vienna. 15:37 SzosszeNET Vienna 15:36 SzosszeNET well, check Bratislava 15:35 SzosszeNET :D 15:35 jcamins I don't drink whiskey, but I studied in Edinburgh and it's my second-favorite city in the world (after Budapest, obviously;). 15:35 SzosszeNET how small the world is huh? :) 15:35 SzosszeNET cause of the Scotch? :D 15:35 mtompset And while we're all talking about nationalities and locations. I'm a Canadian in the Philippines. :P 15:34 * jcamins loves Scotland! 15:34 SzosszeNET I live in Scotland ;) 15:34 jcamins New Jersey... about an hour and a half from New York, where we live now. 15:33 SzosszeNET and might I ask where are you from? 15:33 SzosszeNET wow :) 15:33 jcamins Nope. She's from rural Virginia, actually. 15:33 SzosszeNET :D 15:33 SzosszeNET hmm and she's not Hungarian? 15:32 SzosszeNET I'm not distracted :) 15:32 * jcamins met his wife in Budapest. 15:32 SzosszeNET :D 15:32 mtompset got to love morphological differences which hide the phonological reality. 15:32 jcamins Anyway, I didn't mean to distract you from Koha. :) 15:31 jcamins :) 15:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8726: add CSS to CCSR theme <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb6effd2c2eaf26c5aff80cb1f45e75a5fcf426f> / Bug 8726: Followup FIX save didyoumean syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5659f64255d8801f2afbcde6d172c493ac4e683> / Bug 8726 follow-up: fix QA issues <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52f54eec1da5e60f3e211844c2336e6 15:31 jcamins SzosszeNET: I think I need to practice if I want to say "sasszem" without switching it to "saszsem" 15:31 mtompset That's not as hard, because you started with the same sound. 15:30 SzosszeNET ie sasszem where sas+szem (eagle+eye) 15:30 SzosszeNET anyway that case s an sz are pronounced separately 15:29 SzosszeNET hmm :) well Hungarian langue likes joining existing words, but ie English does not really like it - so interesing thingking ;) 15:28 mtompset considering the word started with sz. 15:28 mtompset That's a tongue twister too. 15:28 jcamins It's good. Now I know that 'ssz' in Hungarian is pronounced 'szsz'! :) 15:28 mtompset What if it were really ssz and not sz-sz? 15:28 SzosszeNET hiss ;) 15:27 SzosszeNET sorry for it :) 15:27 SzosszeNET the normal letter is sz, but if its doubled would be szsz, but our beutiful grammar tells that it's not correct form, it should be written as ssz 15:27 * jcamins kept on trying to say it "Szos'sze" and getting his tongue tangled up. 15:26 SzosszeNET the ssz is a double sound 15:26 SzosszeNET oh, yes :) 15:25 SzosszeNET and of course tell to translator to pronounce :) 15:25 reiveune bye 15:25 jcamins I don't speak any Hungarian, alas. Well, other than "Koszonom." 15:25 SzosszeNET quite robot, but if you set google translate to hungarian it's almost :) 15:24 SzosszeNET hmm like the s in sea? 15:24 SzosszeNET Jcamins yes Hungarian ;) 15:23 * jcamins figured it out, never mind. 15:20 jcamins Much easier. 15:17 mtompset the koha_ prefix makes scripting for db's easier. :) 15:17 jcamins How do you pronounce your nick? It looks like Hungarian, in which case 'sz' would be pronounced like /s/ in English, but the "ssz" is throwing me off. 15:15 SzosszeNET okay 15:15 SzosszeNET :D 15:15 SzosszeNET I mean groupkoha user is quite right for me :) 15:15 jcamins SzosszeNET: you could, by simply changing koha-conf.xml, but don't. 15:14 SzosszeNET and is there any possibility to get rid of the koha_ prefix? :) 15:14 SzosszeNET so I'll reinstall anyway 15:14 SzosszeNET anyway I'm playing with koha at the moment and explorering it 15:14 SzosszeNET okay 15:13 jcamins Usually. 15:13 jcamins SzosszeNET: I run a script to create the DB and stick the password into my /etc/koha/passwd file, then use --use-db. 15:11 SzosszeNET than what would be than the good way for remote db setup? 15:09 SzosszeNET hmm 15:09 jcamins But then usually I don't use koha-create directly to create databases on remote servers. 15:08 jcamins SzosszeNET: I'm not sure what exactly happened... usually that just works for me. 15:07 SzosszeNET not a complaint, just want to know about koha :) 15:07 SzosszeNET now I changed the /koha-conf.xml to use the db user I created and seems ok ;) 15:07 SzosszeNET also to the db - and seems can't work with them with modification... 15:06 jcamins Right. 15:06 SzosszeNET koha creates koha_ prefixed ones 15:06 SzosszeNET don't understand something : define my host,user under /etc/mysql 15:06 jcamins SzosszeNET: are you able to login using mysql from the command line on the Koha server? 15:05 SzosszeNET jcamins : grr... 15:05 jcamins SzosszeNET: these things bear repeating... you'd be surprised how many people make that mistake. 15:04 jcamins SJeffery: nope, you just won't get the data from the new 3xx fields showing up. 15:04 SzosszeNET not stupid just noob to koha :D 15:04 jcamins So, uh, you're going to change those passwords now, right? 15:04 SJeffery Will importing RDA records actually break anything or cause any weird display issues? 15:04 jcamins Okay, you figured that out. :) 15:03 SzosszeNET under serverinfo found in the xml : <user>koha_groupkoha</user> <pass>geidochi</pass> 15:03 * jcamins thinks he didn't. 15:03 jcamins SzosszeNET: did I tell you that you have to make sure to set the password to match the *last* password in that file? 15:02 SzosszeNET jcamins : nope... 15:02 * jcamins is generally the one dealing with MARC21 standard issues, and I'm not getting a whole lot of interest in RDA yet. 15:01 jcamins SJeffery: unfortunately, that is pretty much accurate. 15:00 SJeffery So what is the word on Koha RDA records support? From the RFC on the wiki and the lack of tickets it seems as though there is zero support? 14:58 jcamins Most likely all you need to do is set the password for 'koha_groupkoha'@'%' to match the automatically generated password in /etc/koha/sites/groupkoha/koha-conf.xml 14:58 SzosszeNET is it? 14:58 jcamins Right. 14:58 SzosszeNET brilliant :) 14:57 SzosszeNET "Access denied for user 'koha_groupkoha'@'groupkoha01.domain.group' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758." 14:57 jcamins Okay, so you are further along than I realized. 14:57 SzosszeNET and wow, now I have "Software error:" on port 8080 :) 14:56 SzosszeNET and it did call that db created the users 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8843 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Cannot export bibliographic records by call number 14:56 oleonard Bug 8843 14:55 SzosszeNET defined in /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf 14:54 jcamins SzosszeNET: I thought you said you had MySQL on a different server? 14:54 jcamins In that case, I suggest that you use HTTP for the configuration. 14:54 SzosszeNET have to sql errors : ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation CREATE USER failed for 14:54 SzosszeNET issued koha-create --use-db groupkoha 14:53 SzosszeNET strange, just reverted to a minimal setup snapshot 14:53 SzosszeNET that's the last task for me :) First I want to make koha work 14:53 SzosszeNET no, I don't have certificate yet 14:52 jcamins But you already have a certificate, I presume, so you can just enable HTTPS and carry on. 14:50 jcamins The instructions walk you through doing a standard install using HTTP. Setting up HTTPS is a site-specific thing. 14:50 jcamins Right, it's listening on 443, but you have to set up the virtual host to actually use that port. 14:50 SzosszeNET the web installer is supposed to run on 8080 right? 14:49 SzosszeNET accoring to /etc/apache2/ports.conf it does listen on 443 14:48 jcamins And you'll need to edit the Apache config file to adjust it to use HTTPS. 14:47 jcamins SzosszeNET: you have to run through the web installer to initialize the database. 14:47 SzosszeNET well, nor the db is populated (it's empty) :) An nothing on port 8080 or 443 (wish to run it on https) 14:46 jcamins Okay, where did you run into problems? 14:44 SzosszeNET however in my case http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install_Koha_3.6_on_Debian_squeeze_using_a_separate_MySQL_server was also needed 14:44 SzosszeNET sure :) 14:44 jcamins Are you following those instructions? 14:44 jcamins Those are the best instructions to follow. 14:43 jcamins There we go. 14:43 wahanui somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 14:43 jcamins packages? 14:43 wahanui i heard debian was what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 14:43 jcamins debian? 14:43 SzosszeNET could someone point me the right direction? 14:43 jcamins Not that I know where that bug might be. 14:43 SzosszeNET Hi guys, sorry I'm totally new to Koha and want to install it to debian (with separate mysql), but seems I'm lost an looping... 14:41 jcamins Exporting records using *biblionumber* range worked. 14:40 jcamins Didn't I file a bug about that? 14:40 jcamins wait. 14:40 jcamins ummm... 14:40 jcamins The last time I tested was... 14:40 jcamins oleonard: I believe you. 14:40 oleonard I contend that exporting records using a call number range does *not* work. 14:37 wahanui hmmm... manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 14:37 jcamins manual? 14:33 mtompset good 14:33 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 14:33 mtompset but packages? 14:33 mtompset But packages is good. :) 14:33 mtompset Still working on the git/tarball instructions. 14:32 wahanui ubuntu instructions are at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Ubuntu 14:32 mtompset ubuntu instructions? 14:32 wahanui ubuntu is probably a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions. 14:32 mtompset ubuntu? 14:31 mtompset what? 14:31 wahanui mtompset: wish i knew 14:31 mtompset wahanui: what is a bugger? 14:31 wahanui oleonard: bugger all, i dunno 14:31 oleonard wahanui: How do you spell acccommmodate? 14:31 oleonard Does wahanui do spell check too? 14:30 jcamins mtompset: yes. wahanui is providing me with the links that I want to put in an e-mail. 14:30 mtompset Is there a method to your madness, jcamins? 14:29 wahanui well, install.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 14:29 jcamins install.debian? 14:29 wahanui i think git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 14:29 jcamins git? 14:26 wahanui somebody said jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 14:26 jcamins jquery library? 14:26 oleonard Hm, okay. 14:26 jcamins oleonard: it did when I was playing with the export functionality. 14:25 wahanui it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 14:25 jcamins packages? 14:25 oleonard It doesn't for me 14:25 oleonard does exporting records using a call number range not work? 14:22 mtompset If you read this Paul, you have a reputation. Sorry. 14:22 * mtompset laughs, "Paul." 14:22 * jcamins knows someone who could probably manage. :P 14:21 mtompset Won't accidentally forget to copy it. 14:21 mtompset Yes, but a script is still in the DB, if you swap it to a new machine. 14:21 jcamins I put a script on the wiki which requires different code between 3.8 and 3.10. 14:20 jcamins And where it's not perfect, it's still not too bad. 14:20 waylon gone. 14:20 waylon will havta talk to you guys about it later, yup 14:20 jcamins Yup. 14:20 * mtompset coughs, "Paul." 14:19 jcamins A lot better than template modifications, though. 14:18 jcamins Mostly. 14:17 mtompset They advantage of jquery is... it will upgrade nicely in the future. ;) 14:17 oleonard This community is awesomely international. 14:17 waylon laters all. 14:17 waylon and it pays to take it carefully. 14:17 waylon yea... long road ahead of me. 14:17 oleonard Ah, thanks :) 14:16 wahanui well, waylon is the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for Mandumah.com, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. 14:16 waylon waylon? 14:16 waylon www.mandumah.com 14:16 oleonard mandumah? 14:16 waylon night all! 14:16 waylon okay, sleep time. 14:15 * waylon hopes that the designer doesn't make my life a living hell. 14:15 waylon and yea, i guess i could overwrite using jquery, the dropdown, hooking in the multi, for mandumah's templates. 14:14 jcamins Yes. 14:14 waylon right. advanced search then. 14:13 jcamins Adding another would be a bit much. 14:13 jcamins waylon: but regular dropdown controls allow only a single choice. Also, we already have that. 14:13 waylon ah 14:13 mtompset Yes, but multiple choice in the masthead is not something most people would do. 14:13 waylon the options there for it syspref.. and the template already shows it. 14:12 jcamins If you needed it for Mamduha (sp?), you could jQuery it into existence. 14:12 waylon jcamins, thought a dropdown already exists in the masthead? 14:12 jcamins It's not something that would be used very frequently at all. 14:12 oleonard waylon: Yeah, at this point I would still say that the main search bar should not include any more-complex controls. 14:12 jcamins waylon: I think a dropdown in the masthead would be unnecessary complexity. 14:10 tcohen mtompset: will make the script to print the full command the user should execute as mtj suggested on the email 14:10 waylon multibranch mode adds ability to search more than one specific branch at a time. Allows users to be assigned multiple branches. And with the new security option im adding, only those assigned branches. 14:09 nengard got it 14:08 jcamins "If your authority records include 5xx fields with linked references to broader and/or narrower terms..." 14:08 oleonard I don't know how you define "multibranch mode" 14:08 nengard jcamins - where exactly? or just in general? 14:08 waylon if its multibranch mode (which im adding) why not dropdown a multibranch selector? 14:07 oleonard (to be perfectly redundant :P ) 14:07 jcamins nengard: perhaps you could say "... with linked broader and narrower see also references." 14:07 oleonard Yes, and adding more complexity to that, in the form of some kind of multi-branch selection widget, would make it more complex 14:07 waylon oleonard, hmm? the main search bar already includes a branch dropdown. 14:06 tcohen the difference is that it cannot choose one or the other arch and proposes not to install :-D 14:06 oleonard waylon: Because the main search bar (in my opinion) should remain simple 14:05 tcohen mtompset, it appears to have a similar problem 14:05 waylon oleonard, why do you say that? 14:03 mtompset attempt a sudo aptitude install 14:03 tcohen yes, thats what I was trying 14:03 mtompset instead of sudo dselect... 14:03 mtompset Yes, I think it does. 13:59 mtompset does aptitude use the dpkg --set-selections? 13:59 mtompset Hmmm.... 13:57 tcohen Read the pre-last comment http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664893 13:56 mtompset which doesn't solve our problem now. 13:56 mtompset Hopefully, they'll have fixed this problem when Wheezy comes out. 13:56 mtompset Well, here's the thing... Debian is going multiarch with Wheezy. 13:51 tcohen unmaintained softwar ein the archive is not worth it" 13:51 tcohen a very long time, probably until someone decides that keeping an 13:51 tcohen *maintain* dselect, so I suspect this bug report to remain opened for 13:51 tcohen D'oh: "Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be many people wanting to 13:49 tcohen maybe it will be the same amount of time this discussion will take 13:49 tcohen i'll try to see what can be done on the dselect front 13:49 mtompset Perhaps we should create a documentation page on dealing with multiarch? 13:47 mtompset Yes, I saw the bug. :( 13:47 tcohen there's a bug on that 13:47 mtompset the location of the multiarch files and how it is done will change. 13:47 tcohen yes, dselect prefers foreign architecture over native 13:46 mtompset From what I've been googling around... 13:46 mtompset The problem is this multiarch stuff is in flux. 13:46 tcohen yes... 13:46 mtompset and I assume dpkg --print-architecture says amd64? 13:45 tcohen yes 13:45 mtompset if you rename the file, the dselect stuff works, right? 13:44 tcohen dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch: foreign-architecture i386 13:44 tcohen yes, it has multiarch enabled 13:43 mtompset Have you looked in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf.d? 13:43 mtompset I'm curious... 13:43 tcohen hi mtompset 13:42 mtompset Greetings, tcohen. 13:41 tcohen we can leave it like it is now too 13:40 tcohen mtj, what do u want me to do for that dselect issue? 13:36 kf and now I am gone :) 13:36 kf oleonard++ 13:36 oleonard If someone implements multi-branch search options please do it on the advanced search page and not the main search bar 13:31 drojf uuh exciting :) 13:31 drojf ah, there it is :) thanks 13:31 drojf . 13:30 kf drojf: left you a message 13:24 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 13:24 kf @later tell drojf I sent a school library in berlin to the koha users list where your entry is... 13:13 nengard nevermind 13:10 nengard can someone test to see if opachiddenitems is working in master ? it doesn't appear to be working for me 13:10 mtompset a problem encountered by tcohen, and ranted about by slef. ;) 13:09 mtompset No... the dselect installing i386 libraries on an amd64 OS. 13:09 waylon jquiery isn't multi-arch? 13:09 mtompset Hmmm.... I have a gut feeling that isn't quite right. But since I am trying to hunt for multi-arch solutions... I can't help. 13:08 waylon sounds good? 13:07 waylon dropdown checkbox list yes? 13:06 waylon yup 13:06 mtompset DropDown's are only single choice (as far as I know), but lists can multi-choice. This means the dropdown would probably need jQuery to give the appearance of multiselect. ;) 13:05 nengard I don't know why it's the way it is 13:05 nengard and so would a lot of libraries 13:05 nengard I'd love multi-choice 13:02 waylon ? 13:02 waylon kf nengard... current branch options in searches, are searching one branch only, or all. Why not instead, a multichoice dropdown? would have to be jQuery right/ 12:32 kf yeah I agree 12:32 kf ah right 12:32 kf it's crazy busy here today 12:32 kf yep I think I do agree with the updatedatabase thing :) 12:31 paul_p kf= it does, and you agree with my proposal ;-) 12:27 kf hope it makes more sense now 12:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT 12:26 wahanui i guess bug 5335 is guilty I think 12:26 kf bug 5335 12:26 kf paul_p: I tried to explain myself on 5535 12:26 kf yay 12:26 paul_p yeah ! jenkins back to stable ! 12:17 mtompset I'm reading the Changes for DateTime... Don't we use DateTime::Event::Recurrence? 12:11 nengard jcamins I also finished the hierarchy bit for authorities: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/administration.html#AuthDisplayHierarchy 12:10 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 12:10 nengard @later tell mveron the age restriction info is in the manual if you want to review that I wrote it up right: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/administration.html#AgeRestrictionMarker 12:06 kf phased out means it's not gone yet 12:05 kf well 12:05 mtompset Not fully. 12:05 kf mtompset: I think that is because it's phased out 12:02 mtompset It doesn't use DateTime. 12:01 mtompset (3.8.5) 12:01 mtompset Oh yuck... I just read C4::Dates.pm 11:56 mtompset Yes, vaguely. 11:56 slef but I think that was a simple pre-overloading DateTime version used on that server 11:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation 11:55 slef mtompset: bug 8738 ? 11:51 mtompset "Fixed bug RT#47929 which caused the XS Stash to die mysteriously when calling code that used string evaluation (e.g. DateTime)." -- This sounds related to a patch I saw, but fixed Koha, not DateTime. 11:43 magnuse and in the irc logs for that matter :-) 11:42 mtompset Ah. 11:42 magnuse like we have in result lists in the opac, and lots of other places 11:42 jcamins_away mtompset: rows alternating white and gray. It's called zebra-striping. 11:41 mtompset Any one know what jcamins_away meant by "zebra-striping tables"? http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-09-25#i_1087692 11:40 kf but you fixed it 11:39 mtompset What was that quote about using the sharpened bones to do something? 11:37 kf crazy day 11:36 slef kf: it's 1330, not had lunch yet? 11:36 kf no lunch for me again 11:36 kf wah 11:36 slef magnuse: oh, so saluting like that is just a joke to you? That's sort of inappropriate. Next you'll be making jokes about kitten kebabs on amputated limbs! 11:35 * magnuse is definitely not right wing :-) 11:35 slef :) 11:34 druthb :P 11:33 magnuse oops? 11:33 slef druthb is left-wing saluting, magnuse is right-wing? 11:33 magnuse \o 11:32 druthb o/ 11:32 magnuse slef: true 11:32 slef Yeah, but there's stuff that's easier to change than gov.no, like who you buy from. 11:31 magnuse well maybe not "only", but not far from it 11:30 magnuse yup 11:30 mtompset because the norwegian government only uses Windows machines? 11:29 magnuse mtompset: all levels of norwegian government are paying them a ton of money each year, out of my tax money 11:29 mtompset magnuse: how so? 11:24 kf jcamins_away: ping me when you are around? 11:17 * magnuse is indirectly paying ms lots already... 11:17 slef magnuse: your current registrar is a Microsoft Gold Partner 11:16 magnuse slef: how does that work? 11:15 slef magnuse: well, if you like paying Microsoft indirectly... 11:14 magnuse slef: you can try, but for now i will stick with the comfort of the one i have :-) 11:13 slef magnuse: can I interest you in transferring to a friendly registrar? ;) 11:10 mtompset Overheating issues? 11:09 drojf the other with 3.8.5 is working nicely ;) 11:09 drojf more blew up the sd-card really 11:07 mtompset But drojf, you blew up your git. ;) 11:07 mtompset As long as it isn't no.koha ;) 11:06 * magnuse renews koha.no 11:04 drojf maybe i should instead go and get a raspberry pi for everybody 11:04 drojf ah i see. don't really know yet 11:03 mtompset because early November for me is bad. 11:03 mtompset when would this be? 11:03 drojf thanks, that might be helpful, i may get back to you about that 11:01 mtompset If you make it, and put it somewhere where I can sftp it or get it somehow, I can give it a whirl. 11:00 drojf would still not have a windows to try then, but yes, i hope to know what they will be bringing 11:00 mtompset Can't you get participants to tell you in advance? 10:59 drojf :/ 10:59 drojf i suppose all people that would want to use a prebuilt vm would have windows. i dont have one to try that though 10:59 drojf thats another problem, i would not know what hosts other people bring. uah. 10:59 mtompset windows as host is a different monster. 10:58 drojf yes 10:58 mtompset Oh, debian as host? 10:58 drojf 4.1.18_debian somethingsomething 10:57 wahanui which version is, like, recommended 10:57 mtompset which version? 10:57 drojf works with wifi fine here. also worked in ediburgh in the guest house, but not at the university 10:57 mtompset WITHOUT... 10:57 mtompset What if you have someone with a wired connection? 10:57 mtompset But you can only do that on a wired connection. 10:56 drojf i think anything besides network bridge is not feasible for a workshop. i don't really want to deal with vb there 10:55 mtompset (of the virtualbox software) 10:55 mtompset The IP address for the host-only interface would get messed up on an upgrade. 10:54 mtompset Oh, which reminds me of another typical problem I encountered. 10:53 drojf meh that virtualbox networking needs reading i guess. *put on pile of things to do later* 10:53 mtompset as I was saying... though, if someone is doing a git install, it would be nice to support 10.04 LTS 10:52 mtompset (without CPAN) 10:51 mtompset That makes debian git installs possible again. ;) 10:51 magnuse \o/ 10:50 drojf yee-ha! 10:50 mtompset Sweet! my patch made it in. :) 10:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT 10:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8659 normal, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Master , Inactive funds in neworderempty not disabled in IE/Opera 10:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8702 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , System preferences search does not allow accented letters 10:50 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5335 follow-up fixing template 10:50 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5335 follow-up fix test 10:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8780 major, P1 - high, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone 10:50 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Bug 8659 Remove and readd the inactive funds in javascript to make it work in all browsers 10:50 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8702: System preferences search does not allow accented letters 10:50 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8780 - Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone 10:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #856: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/856/ 10:50 mtompset Though, if someone is using git.... 10:50 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 10:49 mtompset But if someone is going to install packages, the instructions tell them to use 12.04 10:49 drojf in that case it would probably be fair to thik about it ;) 10:49 mtompset 3 years for DESKTOP editions. 10:49 drojf yes i just read 10:49 mtompset It's 5 years for SERVER editions. 10:48 drojf -1 for supporting 10.04. i would rather concentrate on future LTS versions on top of 12.04. it is 3 years LTS, right? or 5? in that case i would reconsider 10:47 mtompset HTTP::OAI Locale::Currency::Format PDF::API2::Simple Text::CSV::Encoded DateTime DateTime::TimeZone Template 10:46 mtompset BTW, in order to support Ubuntu 10.04, we'd need 7 perl libraries. 10:46 drojf i guess they worked hard on their reputation 10:44 mtompset I guess talking about LL here is like politics and religion in a generic public conversation. 10:43 waylon ah... not important i guess. 10:43 waylon head devel liblime? 10:42 waylon whos the guy who signed all the liblime commits? 10:42 mtompset Yikes! 10:42 wahanui liblime is no brandcuffs 10:42 waylon wahanui, liblime? 10:42 drojf ouch 10:42 waylon wow. 10:41 waylon wahanui, ptfs? 10:40 mtompset I can feel the LL love. 10:40 drojf love it :D 10:39 kf drojf: what about bibliorange? 10:38 kf drojf: don't joke about things like this... serious business. 10:36 mtompset Now we just have to wait for Google to forever keep that on record. 10:35 mtompset Yes, Paul, I mean you. 10:35 mtompset I was thinking Paul might read it and try something stupid. 10:35 mtompset Bah... Forget this... I'm going to go on record with this. 10:34 mtompset [off] I was thinking Paul might read it and try something stupid. 10:32 mtompset As seen in our latest posting from a gentleman who was reading a CentOS thread regarding Zebra. 10:32 mtompset Yes, well, some people obviously try everything before they ask for help. 10:17 * slef chuckles as he spots an old mail from mtompset with "PLEASE DON'T JUST TRY THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. This is the WRONG solution." 09:52 mtompset At least your poor health hasn't drained your humour. :) 09:52 slef biblioubliette - releases a fork and then "throws it over the wall" as abandonware, claiming it's open source really. 09:51 drojf see, that are things i think about when i cannot sleep ;) 09:51 mtompset drojf: You're hilarious. 09:51 * mtompset laughs. 09:50 drojf kf: what about biblimette or bibliomette as a name for a future company? maybe with a nice german closed source fork ;) 09:49 mtompset slef++ # for being a paranoid security freak. :) 09:49 drojf heh that reminds me 09:46 slef I love being mailshotted with job adverts, too. 09:45 slef [off] "PTFS, a privately owned, Maryland-based company providing digital archiving and library solutions, as well as professional services including digitization, library staffing, and integration services" - yeah, they're really into FOSS aren't they? Emphasised it in that description, didn't they? 09:44 magnuse fingers crossed! 09:43 drojf go jenkins_koha 09:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #856 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #853 6 days 23 hr ago) 09:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5335 follow-up fixing template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e7df043013f161566c074e97f31b203f373c68d> / Bug 5335 follow-up fix test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bee6c8136ff9ec81a7cde1e497e01d527f259de5> / Bug 8659 Remove and readd the inactive funds in javascript to make it work in all... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdif 09:35 mtompset checking email now, slef. 09:34 slef some ideas for possible ways out near the end, though 09:34 * slef replies to mtompset with a pretty rant 09:33 * mtompset says a little prayer for jenkins' build. 09:30 paul_p keep finger crossed, jenkins should be happy with this push... 09:30 drojf i will go with haveing the ip and 80 for opac, 8080 for staff client to avoid any further networking stuff that would be special for each one. if there should really be sysadmins of libraries that work on their own servers, they will know what to do with a little explanation 09:28 mtompset The IT Department of the organization should be able to makes sense of the instructions and get it working for their library colleagues. 09:27 mtompset So sadly, the instructions are best aimed at someone with intermediate computer experience. 09:27 mtompset Trying to explain networking to someone with no networking experience is impossible to do. 09:26 mtompset The problem is... it will be called library.framisdooby.org 09:26 mtompset If you actually only do what are in the text boxes, you will get a working system. 09:26 drojf makes sense 09:26 mtompset I tried to make the Ubuntu instructions as simple as possible. 09:25 drojf out of the scope of what i plan to do, but would be good for those with zero linux knowledge 09:24 mtompset These would be identical for packages under Debian. 09:23 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Uninstall_Instructions 09:23 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "@samuel_v2 #kohails va bien (c'est le hashtag à utiliser). Et BibLibre aussi, on est "un peu" surbookés..." 09:23 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Upgrade_Instructions 09:23 mtompset That's really the only difference between an ubuntu and debian install. Though, I have details a few more pieces, which I thought were lacking in the Debian Guide. 09:22 drojf a yes this exactly *adds bookmark* thanks 09:21 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Ubuntu_MySQL_Security_Tweak 09:20 mtompset Yes, the security tweak section. 09:20 drojf i think there was some crazy mysql stuff that i should tell people though 09:19 drojf mtompset: i had to use the debian instructions actually because that is what i would be using at the workshop, also supporting ubuntu only if it works with them. i have seen that the ubuntu page got much smaller though, have not looked at it yet 09:19 mtompset or was this a based on your experience install, drojf? 09:18 * mtompset waves at Oak_ 09:18 Oak_ mtompset :) 09:18 magnuse Oak_ 09:18 Oak_ magnuse 09:18 Oak_ hello kf :) 09:18 mtompset when did you follow the instructions? 09:17 drojf installation with packages on ubuntu 12.04 worked nicely btw, not that it would surprise anyone, but i never tried it myself 09:16 mtompset more sleep is always good when you aren't on your top game. 09:16 mtompset Good idea. 09:16 drojf more sleep would probably be enough, somehow that does not work. i avoided coming back here around 3 or 4 am this time though ;) 09:15 mtompset I'm working on the tarball/git instructions for ubuntu right now. 09:15 mtompset sorry to hear that. Hope you feel better quickly. 09:14 drojf still feel flu_ish and weird, just got up (11am), not really functional 09:14 mtompset NAT = updates, host only = data entry. 09:14 mtompset Otherwise you can't do updates. 09:14 mtompset nat is fine, but you need to complement it with a host only. 09:14 drojf also i have not played with nat really 09:13 drojf mtompset: a lot of debians and an ubuntu. the koha git thing needs some work so i can finally use it again though 09:13 mtompset By the way, "Ah that spammer" nice way to leave the channel. ;) 09:12 mtompset base install... DOH. 09:12 drojf hi mtompset and kf :) 09:12 kf hi drojf 09:12 mtompset As I was working on my VM's. I was wondering if you had your base isntall of a Debian VM set up now. :) 09:11 mtompset drojf: i was just thinking about you. ;) 09:11 drojf good day #koha 09:08 mtompset on Windows. ;) 09:08 mtompset My poor netbook... straining at 90% physical memory use for two 512 Koha VMs. 09:06 kf Oak: Oak 09:03 mtompset Greetings again, Oak 09:03 kf hi magnuse 09:02 magnuse Oak 09:02 magnuse hiya kf 09:00 kf hi mtompset 09:00 kf hi mtom 09:00 mtompset Greetings, kf. 08:59 kf good morning #koha 08:59 mtompset_ Nope... this isn't it. ;) 08:58 mtompset mostly due to bad instructions on the internet, because people don't spend the effort to find the official channels. 08:58 mtompset any script we provide (/usr/sbin) could be mailicious replaced on a "mirror" site. 08:57 waylon man in the middle attack of koha? 08:35 mtompset slef: By the way, I do agree that we need to be worried about a man in the middle attack, but we already have the potential for that in our existing scripts. 08:33 mtompset Not me today. :) 08:32 slef mtompset: oh, I thought you were playing yoyos. 08:31 mtompset I quit and rejoined, just to see if it was me at irc.oftc.net 08:30 slef one 08:30 slef or maybe on server went down 08:30 slef over half an hour ago 08:30 slef yeah between synthon.oftc.net and graviton 08:29 mtompset I think there was a server split or something for irc. 08:29 paul_p hello #koha 08:29 mtompset Bonjour, paul_p. 07:47 mtompset Git and tarball still need cleaning up a bit. 07:47 mtompset Packages is good. 07:47 mtompset Working on cleaning up my split instructions. 07:46 mtompset That has been stalled. 07:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script 07:46 Oak :) 07:46 wahanui mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. Bug 459. Old school, baby! 07:46 Oak mtompset 07:46 Oak magnuse 07:45 mtompset Good enough. 07:45 wahanui ubuntu instructions are at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Ubuntu 07:45 mtompset ubuntu instructions? 07:45 wahanui ubuntu is a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions. 07:45 mtompset ubuntu? 07:42 mtompset ubuntu? 07:41 mtompset ubuntu has current instructions at: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Ubuntu 07:40 wahanui mtompset: I forgot ubuntu 07:40 mtompset wahanui forget ubuntu 07:40 wahanui ubuntu is, like, installed. or getting into integrating websites into the desktop, e.g. grooveshark showing up on the sound menu, and things like that. It's an interesting idea. I have the beta installed and it's still quirky, but a great idea 07:40 mtompset ubuntu? 07:40 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 07:28 mtompset Well, now to clean up the tarball/git instructions for Ubuntu, because the packages version isn't getting any tidier as far as I can tell. 07:15 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#kohails Libraries, schools... Great non-toxic waterproof mats for children’s reading spaces $90 (180x90x5) EcoViva AUS http://t.co/j0jsOG1j" 06:58 magnuse Oak 06:58 mtompset Oak! 06:58 * Oak waves 06:57 mtompset Hi, sophie_m. :) 06:57 sophie_m hi mtompset :-) 06:57 mtompset salut. :) 06:57 reiveune ? 06:56 mtompset reiveune++ 06:53 mtompset I suppose greetings to everyone at biblibre are in order. ;) 06:51 alex_a bonjour mtompset 06:48 mtompset Bonjour, alex_a. :) 06:48 alex_a bonjour 06:46 magnuse yeah, only the best is good enough :-) 06:46 waylon still koha.:) 06:45 waylon new websites not entirely done i see. 06:44 waylon http://www.tetakere.org.nz/ 06:41 * mtompset smiles, "Salut. I like that." 06:41 reiveune salut mtompset :) 06:41 mtompset Bonjour, reiveune. :) 06:36 reiveune hello 06:26 magnuse it's just the building that is called te takere, i think 06:26 magnuse yeah, havn't heard anything else 06:25 waylon ah, ill never remember the name. Still Levin public library right? still part ot the HLT network? 06:16 magnuse yay! http://tetakere.blogspot.no/2012/09/welcome-to-te-takeretanga-o-kura-hau-po.html 06:15 * mtompset can dream of a problemless world. 06:15 mtompset Or, people arent' having any problems. :0 06:14 mtompset NZ is off by 4 hours... That doesn't explain their afternoon. ;) 06:13 cait no but already friday evening in nz for example 06:13 mtompset Ah, must be a long weekend for people then, because there's no holiday here today. 06:08 cait yeah, few people have weekend already now 06:08 cait mtompset: 06:08 magnuse good thing you are here then :-) 06:08 cait morning mt 06:07 mtompset well, almost 4 hours. 06:07 mtompset It's been pretty quiet for 4 hours. 06:07 magnuse hiya mtompset 06:07 mtompset Greetings, magnuse and cait. 06:06 cait hiya :) 06:06 * magnuse waves 06:03 magnuse kia ora #koha! 02:28 libsysguy anyway I think I am going to rent a movie on Vudu and vege out for a bit 02:28 libsysguy date/time** 02:28 libsysguy right, or you know, push the due dat forward or backward 02:27 mtompset oh, so a library that closes for 2 hours, but you needed to return your item during those two closed hours? ;) 02:26 libsysguy not logical ones, but pragmatic ones 02:26 libsysguy if you don't assume 24 hours you run into all sorts of interesting problems of how to charge people 02:26 libsysguy :p 02:25 libsysguy mtompset, the other issue I have with it is the functionality I am adding for hourly closures 02:25 libsysguy that ian and I found when we first tried fixing hourly loans 02:25 libsysguy there is a problem with conversion on delta_hours 02:23 mtompset I think the 24 hour assumption is reasonable. Not perfect, but reasonable. 02:22 mtompset Actually, if you have something checked out on day x, and it needs to be returned in 5 hours, but the library closed just before you returned it and the library is closed on day x+1, do you charge hourly for the hours the library isn't open, even though the library is closed that day? 02:17 mtompset Why delta_ms? 02:15 mtompset Isn't there a delta_hours? 02:13 libsysguy and it assumes 24 hours 02:13 libsysguy yeah 02:12 mtompset And that hours_between function is UUUUUUUGLY. 02:11 mtompset So the days_between and hours_between are what you were talking about for 2 functions, right? 02:11 mtompset Yes, I scrolled down and was reading that. 02:09 libsysguy line 167 02:09 libsysguy http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=Koha/Calendar.pm;h=2a2e062e3e47e2415c619132e997624875925c13;hb=HEAD 02:09 libsysguy the way we do it now it poo 02:09 mtompset Yes, I understand. 02:09 libsysguy i have been looking for alternatives 02:08 libsysguy but for fear of introducing something like that 02:08 libsysguy I saw that 02:07 mtompset Hmmm... have you ever heard of Time::Business? 02:01 libsysguy now HW would definitely never show up here 02:01 mtompset developers! developers! developers! ;) 02:01 libsysguy [off] nobody say his name more than 3 times 02:00 * mtompset laughs harder. 02:00 waylon [off] Postwhat? 02:00 mtompset [off] Yes, yes, that is true. 01:59 * mtompset laughs. 01:59 mtompset Actually, what do you mean you can't convert between all the units? 01:59 libsysguy [off] but thanks to mbalmer none of us can forget about postgres 01:58 mtompset That happens. 01:58 libsysguy I have forgotten about yum 01:58 libsysguy I think i have been using debian based systems for so long 01:58 libsysguy its a draw-ish for me 01:58 libsysguy hmm 01:56 mtompset I still like things about yum more than apt-get. 01:55 libsysguy i used to be a centosian 01:55 libsysguy you nailed it mtompset 01:55 libsysguy :p 01:55 mtompset You vile Debianist you, libsysguy. :P 01:54 libsysguy I demand datetime 01:54 libsysguy yayyy... 01:54 libsysguy heh 01:52 mtompset which is already part of the reason only 12.04 ubuntu works. 01:51 mtompset Oh, and by the way... version 0.77 of date time requires a newer version of perl... 01:49 libsysguy how retarded is that 01:49 libsysguy notice you can't convert between all units 01:49 libsysguy http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.77/lib/DateTime/Duration.pm#$dur->in_units(_..._) 01:49 libsysguy ok so here is the real pinch 01:49 mtompset I'd write a third with the extra parameter, and then replace the 2 with calls to the new fangled function. 01:47 mtompset EEEEEW! 01:47 libsysguy my thoughts exactly 01:47 libsysguy yeah... 01:47 mtompset 2 functions?! 01:47 libsysguy so I was trying to add some set logic and combine them 01:47 libsysguy one for hours and one for days 01:47 libsysguy well the issue is there are 2 functions 01:47 mtompset So if it isn't called with the "return these units" parameter, it defaults. 01:46 mtompset I'd say... if there is a duration difference function already, then adding a third parameter which defaults to the current behaviour shouldn't be a problem. 01:45 libsysguy :p 01:45 libsysguy exactly…too long have patrons been getting away with that free 45 minutes 01:45 mtompset Ah.... true pro-rated granularity. 01:45 libsysguy (maybe) 01:44 libsysguy you are charged from 6:15 pm to 8 am when they open 01:44 libsysguy and you return the book the next day 01:44 libsysguy say a library closes at 6:15 01:44 libsysguy well I was actually thinking ahead for fines 01:44 libsysguy or just return the DT duration object 01:43 mtompset Some library only has on site reading in 15 minute intervals? ;) 01:43 libsysguy would it be best to take an option to my "duration" function to speify the units to return 01:43 libsysguy however I would like to extend that to all units 01:43 libsysguy as it currently stands when computing the difference between 2 dates you are limited to hours and days 01:42 libsysguy I have a general question about the calendar 01:41 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:30 libsysguy for the record, I think that datetime::duration objects are dumb 01:28 waylon wait.. pqf? 01:25 waylon .. oh of course! 01:24 jcamins_away waylon: if you don't sort at all, it may default to being in order by biblionumber. But the only way to be sure is pqf. 01:07 waylon to sort_by biblionumber, what do i put in the sort_by param? 01:05 waylon hiya all