Time  Nick            Message
00:50 drojfx          wow. that ubuntu packages install article is slightly longer than the one for debian
00:56 * drojfx        watches the tumbleweed
01:13 wajasu          drojfx: i need to build a small box to deploy in a remote place in ethiopia to run some software to manage doctor patient records, so that the doctor doesn't waste his time looking for paper records, and can see patients.
01:13 wajasu          got any suggestions for hardware?
01:16 drojfx          what os does the software need?
01:17 wajasu          i was going to use linux.
01:17 wajasu          i also found this https://www.google.com/search?q=gauntlet+wireless+usb&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
01:18 wajasu          to maybe rsync backups of the patient records.
01:19 wajasu          in case the little server and probably laptops for clients get stolen, etc.
01:20 wajasu          i am researching what kind of power they have, but just started looking into this.
01:21 eythian         we've recommended laptops for servers in that kind of environment, just because they have a built in UPS
01:22 wajasu          your are probably right.
01:22 wajasu          i might put koha on it when i deploy it :)
01:22 drojfx          depending on power supply i would agree with that
01:22 drojfx          you should ;)
01:22 * Waylon        stands westernstyle, fingers above a ping command, chewing code, he nods to drojf.. "You feeling lucky?"
01:23 drojfx          lol
01:23 * Waylon        watches the tumbleweed go past.
01:24 wajasu          thx
01:24 drojfx          wajasu: i have not played enough with solar panels but that would probably only be an option if power supply is  very bad
01:25 drojfx          needs too much extra stuff too
01:25 Waylon          raspberry pi?
01:25 wahanui         Raspberry Pi embedded computers run Koha just fine. :) See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_a_Raspberry_Pi
01:25 drojfx          and a tiny computer
01:26 drojfx          like that one :D but the requirement of a tv does not help i suppose
01:27 Waylon          requirement? it supports VGA doesn't it?
01:27 drojfx          no
01:27 Waylon          huh?
01:27 drojfx          hdmi or composite
01:27 Waylon          wow.
01:28 Waylon          no lowpower lcd's for hdmi?
01:28 drojfx          i'd like to use it with some e-ink display, like a kindle
01:29 Waylon          hmmm.
01:29 Waylon          kindle wifi?
01:30 wajasu          thats sounds doable.
01:30 drojfx          i have not really looked into this. i think dpavlin_ is a kindle hacker he will figure it out ;)
01:30 Waylon          so.. kindle wifi's for clients, raspberry pi centreal server?
01:31 drojfx          Waylon: yay. i have my raspi provide wifi via a usb dongle
01:32 Waylon          sounds like it could work then.
01:32 drojfx          so you really only need some wifi client.
01:32 Waylon          would rasberry pi survive on solar?
01:33 drojfx          with the koha mobile css, a cheap smartphone
01:33 drojfx          sure, depends on the size of the panel and battery
01:34 Waylon          hmm... cheap smartphones cost more (unless on contract) than a wifi only android.
01:34 drojfx          my charge controller does not provide enough mA unfortunately, i've been trying to get it solarized
01:34 Waylon          at least in nz.
01:35 drojfx          yes that may be. dx.com might have something cheap
01:37 Waylon          of course, what about constructing your own wifi client? only needs to be text based? Contact Hackaday.com.. see if anyone has any ideas.
01:37 wajasu          i am wondering if this is ready: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJInXp0ijNw
01:37 Waylon          you might find some genius with time on their hands.
01:41 drojfx          or it could beep morse code instead of a display
01:42 wajasu          dit -dot -dit -dot -dot   =>  thats part of my marc leader header
01:42 drojfx          lol
01:43 Waylon          haha
01:44 Waylon          no, it would have to be alphanumeric display. 80x25?
01:45 Waylon          what about the photosized lcd's?
01:45 Waylon          those battery powered photoframes
01:45 Waylon          Very hackable, apparently one even runs linux.
01:45 drojfx          seems like i might be doing a koha installation night at a workshop. open end, sleep at the location. that would be cool, i hope there are people interested and brave enough
01:46 Waylon          sounds like fun, drojf... ah pity its not in nz.
01:47 drojfx          i have such a dpf (photo frame), have not gotten it to work really. too much things to play, too little time
01:47 wajasu          i think i
01:48 Waylon          right
01:52 Cybermon        hi all.
01:54 wajasu          maybe we can run koha on this interface.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ1RVvV_WMs&feature=related
01:55 Cybermon        I could not printout barcode on 3.8.2 version. what is problem ?
01:56 drojfx          lol wajasu that would be awesome
01:56 Waylon          scarryy..
01:56 wajasu          It would reply with jcamins,  Did you mean ...?
01:56 Waylon          and sounds like its using a compressor for movement?
01:59 drojfx          meh 4am. i'l try that sleep thing again
02:15 Waylon          hmm... new preference design : Search patron branch(es) security: All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) /  Only patrons' home library and other assigned libraries (if any) can be searched (Other assigned libraries only accessable by logged-in users. Home library set via virtualhost branch option)
02:15 Waylon          that good?
02:16 Waylon          oops
02:16 Waylon          add on at end (... option, if not logged in)
02:17 Waylon          this is basically an extension of the SearchMyLibraryFirst concept.
02:49 eythian         @later tell druthb got any advice for getting circ info out of unicorn? (perhaps similar to symphony)
02:49 huginn`         eythian: The operation succeeded.
03:50 Waylon          ... oh god.... do i have to edit the .po files.. all of them.. when i change SearchMyLibraryFirst to SearchableBranches?
03:51 Waylon          and ccsr templates?
03:51 Waylon          and prog/en templates?
03:51 eythian         I'm not sure what your change is
03:54 Waylon          new preference design, for allowing a completely secure homebranch only/multiple -explicitly assigned branches- only search : Search patron branch(es) security: All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) /  Only patrons' home library and other assigned libraries (if any) can be searched (Other assigned libraries only accessable by logged-in users. Home library set via virtualhost branch option)
03:54 Waylon          add on at end, if not logged in.
03:55 eythian         typically you just change the .tt files that will have to look different.
04:35 Waylon          new preference design, for allowing a completely secure homebranch only/multiple -explicitly assigned branches- only search : Search patron branch(es) security: All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) /  Only patrons' home library and other assigned libraries (if any) can be searched (Other assigned libraries only accessable by logged-in users. Home library set via virtualhost branch option, if not logged-in)
04:36 Waylon          the middle option, Just ..or better named Prefer home library, is equivilent to SearchMyLibraryFirst
04:38 Waylon          since this requires changes to templates, will i need to edit both ccsr and prog/en? or just let other people manage the change on ccsr?
04:38 Waylon          also, do i need to do any po changes?
04:40 eythian         I don't know about ccsr, but if you need to make changes to the UI, then you need to make changes to prog.
04:40 eythian         Not the .po files however.
04:42 Waylon          right
04:42 Waylon          so pretty easy for a developer then. cool.
04:47 eythian         yeah
04:50 Waylon          who is ccsr anyway?
04:50 Waylon          why are they in the template set?
04:52 eythian         dunno
04:52 eythian         I wonder if it's the mobile theme
05:51 cait            morning
05:51 * magnuse       waves
05:51 eythian         hiya
05:52 magnuse         hiya eythian
05:52 * magnuse       will do dist-upgrade in ~12 hours
05:53 eythian         cool
05:56 magnuse         hm, zebra is definitely what has been eating up my swap space
05:56 magnuse         restart all the zebras and swap is freed up
05:57 eythian         I tend to use top to see what's doing that
05:57 eythian         run top, then press 'M' to sort by memory
05:58 magnuse         yeah, i tried that but it didn't really tell me much
05:59 magnuse         maybe because there are lots of small zebras?
06:00 eythian         I guess it could be.
06:00 eythian         There are things that will tell you more, but it's at that point I usually consult a real sysadmin.
06:00 eythian         And go do what I'm supposed to be doing
06:01 magnuse         hehe
06:01 magnuse         that's probably what i ought to do too, but i don't have a real sysadmin on hand...
06:09 magnuse         kia ora libsysguy
06:14 cait            hi eythian too :)
06:14 eythian         hello cait
06:24 alex_a          bonjour
06:34 eythian         http://goo.gl/maps/FJCwD
06:37 magnuse         eythian: site of a future kohacon? :-)
06:38 cait            :)
06:41 reiveune        hello
06:49 julian_m        hello
06:49 wahanui         privet, julian_m
07:04 francharb       hello
07:04 wahanui         hello, francharb
07:04 gaetan_B        hello
07:26 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
07:38 mtompset        Greetings, libsysguy and julian_m.
07:52 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @saschel: "@lukask @jtdeboer @GrrlScientist Nope, there *are* several SaaS solutions available re KOHA #kohails http://t.co/2ye10RW5"
07:54 WaqarAzeem      hello! can anyone point me to some artical that how can i introduce my new keyboard (sindhi language) layout in koha (might be using css)
07:55 mtompset        Are you thinking of doing a translation?
07:57 mtompset        Your keyboard layout is usually a function of your operating system, not an application.
07:59 mtj             WaqarAzeem, ask the question on the koha mailing-list - some people have done this already
08:00 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @saschel: "@lukask @jtdeboer @GrrlScientist Indeed it is ;-) #kohails If it's only pdf's you want 2 share why not use Zotero?"
08:00 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @saschel: "@jtdeboer @lukask Liblime uses a forked (& more closed) version of Koha in a SaaS deployment. There are other open set-ups as well #kohails"
08:04 kf              hi #koha
08:10 mtj             WaqarAzeem, aaah no sindhi, but hindi  :/ ->  https://developers.google.com/virtual-keyboard/v1/reference
08:10 WaqarAzeem      thanks!
08:11 mtj             no probs :)
08:37 mtompset        After trying to get 3.8.x onto Ubuntu 10.04... I figure I may just change the Ubuntu page to say the latest LTS or later is supported. Seem reasonable, mtj?
08:39 mtompset        Greetings, #kf. Sorry for the delayed greeting. :)
08:39 mtj             mtompset -> K.I.S.S
08:39 mtompset        Less is more. ;)
08:40 mtj             yep, and that one too ;)
08:42 mtompset        Do you have a working plak setup?
08:43 kf              hi mtompset, hi mtj
08:44 mtompset        The reason I ask is the bug I just entered: bug 8826
08:44 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries.
08:45 mtompset        should put the patch up anyways, even if I didn't test for a plakified system?
08:46 * mtompset      is glad to know about git blame/git show. "It really helps track down related bug reports."
08:48 mtj             mtompset, hmm, no working plack koha at the mo
08:48 mtj             … and hi #koha
08:50 slef            mtompset: I doubt it was intentional to drop support for lucid BICBW.
08:51 slef            mtompset: certainly, when I suggested that we should only document, rather than make sure we include last two debian stable and last two ubuntu LTS, it felt like I was outnumbered.
08:52 slef            mtompset: the DateTime thing is a bit irritating, as it's fairly simple to cast back to a string when needed.
08:57 mtompset        Actually, there are three missing.
08:57 mtompset        (not the right numbers)
08:57 slef            mtj: did you mean Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:54:32 +1200 Message-id: <1348646072-20608-1-git-send-email-mtj@kohaaloha.com> ?  It looks odd
08:57 slef
09:00 mtj             hmm, more info? slef
09:02 mtompset        DateTime, DateTime::TimeZone, and Template.
09:02 mtompset        jcamins_away said that he was using the downgraded Template without issues.
09:02 mtj             slef, did you want mtj ,  or mtompset  ?
09:03 mtompset        I'm thinking you, mtj.
09:04 mtj             ah yep, sorry -  just spotted that...
09:05 mtj             slef, hmm the email looks…… ok-ish to me? :/
09:05 mtj             http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2012-September/017403.html
09:06 mtj             … what am i missing here?
09:08 slef            mtj: probably I am missing something. What does adding "xxxxxxxxxxx" achieve?
09:08 mtj             well, apart from patch contents being gibbersh
09:08 slef            right... that's what had me confused
09:08 mtj             as the title says …'git bz test'
09:09 slef            and I couldn't see how that patch tested git bz at all... it doesn't even make a file in t/ !
09:09 slef            ;-)
09:09 slef            time for more coffee
09:10 slef            mtompset: any idea where DateTime::TimeZone bites?
09:10 mtompset        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8780
09:10 huginn`         04Bug 8780: major, P1 - high, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
09:11 mtompset        Reading the change logs anything lower may be problem?
09:11 mtompset        change logs for the library, that is.
09:11 wahanui         mtompset: that doesn't look right
09:12 mtompset        that
09:12 mtompset        that is
09:12 mtompset        that i.
09:12 mtompset        that is.
09:12 slef            that?
09:12 mtompset        Okay, whatever.
09:12 wahanui         whatever is most appropriate for the situation.
09:12 mtompset        wahanui: forget whatever
09:12 wahanui         mtompset: I forgot whatever
09:13 mtompset        hey
09:13 slef            wahanui: the NO?
09:13 wahanui         i don't know, slef
09:13 mtompset        anyways... I think the lowered DateTime::TimeZone will solve that problem.
09:13 slef            wahanui: the reason?
09:13 wahanui         i guess the reason is i want to relearn about koha 3.2
09:13 * mtompset      laughs.
09:13 mtompset        3.2?
09:13 wahanui         3.2 is a stable version and is not supposed to have entering a lot of new syspref
09:13 slef            wahanui: the reason mtompset asks?
09:13 wahanui         no idea, slef
09:14 slef            wahanui: the script?
09:14 wahanui         rumour has it the script is pretty non-OS specific
09:14 mtompset        bots are crazy
09:14 mtompset        bots?
09:14 wahanui         bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
09:14 slef            wahanui: clyiie's koha?
09:14 wahanui         slef: no idea
09:15 slef            wahanui: google's dns resolver?
09:15 wahanui         i guess google's dns resolver is for example
09:15 mtompset        Who is clyiie?
09:15 slef            clyiie was (ca01a890@ircip2.mibbit.com)
09:15 mtompset        is that the same person ask maxine2012?
09:16 mtompset        (or whoever that was yesterday)
09:17 slef            maxie2012
09:17 slef            no idea
09:17 mtj             slef, re: git-bz testing -> http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2012-September/038099.html
09:17 slef            ca2adb72@ircip2.mibbit
09:17 slef            so no, different hash
09:18 slef            mtj: read that. Still didn't connect the dots...
09:19 slef            mtj: could you get mlist from the repo config or the command-line, rather than hardcoding a koha-specific?
09:21 mtj             yes, and there is a bunch of extra feature-creep around the patch
09:22 mtj             i thought i'd start with something basic and functional - and add features if people were positive toward the patch
09:24 mtj             patches welcome, etc...
09:43 drojf           @later tell wajasu http://www.cstick.com/content.php?118-Fxi-launches-cotton-candy-developer-site-takes-pre-orders
09:43 huginn`         drojf: The operation succeeded.
09:56 magnuse         huh, norway?
09:56 wahanui         i heard norway was beautiful
09:56 magnuse         yay!
10:18 mtompset        but the cotton candy sticks are more expensive that the raspberry pi's.
10:22 magnuse         you bet, if there is a norwegian company behind them ;-)
10:23 mtompset        I was reading this article in PC Buyer's Guide here in the Philippines about linux on a stick kind of machines.
10:23 mtompset        http://pcbuyersguide.com.ph/articles.php?page=26&id=80
10:25 mtompset        I thought the Rikomagic MK802 looked interesting.
10:57 magnuse         yay, all the bachelor students at the library education in oslo now have their own personal koha installations that they use during their training (based on the packages, of couse :-)
11:01 drojf           koha_studies++ :)
11:04 drojf           mtompset: the price is ridiculous, i had not seen it
11:05 drojf           you could have a cluster of 5 raspberry pi for that money :D
11:05 drojf           or 6 even
11:05 mtompset        Yes, $199 is crazy... That's why the mk802 looks better. ;)
11:17 slef            2012-09-26 11:49:38 1TGRrd-0006gs-DV daddy-mx.katipo.co.nz [] Connection refused
11:17 slef            anyone else able to email koha@lists.katipo at the mo?
11:18 slef            that's been happening since 2012-09-25 10:55:39 1TGRrd-0006gs-DV daddy-mx.katipo.co.nz [] Connection refused
11:18 slef            so more than a day now
11:21 drojf           last email i see on the main list is almost 2 days old so i suppose it's not working for anybody
11:22 drojf           slef: i could send one of these "test" emails that everybody loves if you like
11:23 mtompset        Okay... I was wondering if I could get some debugging help.
11:23 mtompset        This error message makes no sense.
11:23 mtompset        [Wed Sep 26 14:03:50 2012] [error] [client] [Wed Sep 26 14:03:50 2012] renewscript.pl: Use of uninitialized value in lc at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 529.
11:24 mtompset        Obviously something in renewscript is calling a function in Context.pm, right?
11:24 mtompset        C4::Context->preference("ReturnToShelvingCart")
11:24 mtompset        Is that the correct way to call it?
11:25 drojf           seems like my network does not like me
11:25 slef            drojf: or it's detecting you sending test emails? ;-)
11:25 slef            drojf: could you try to telnet daddy-mx.katipo.co.nz 25 # and see if it connects?
11:26 slef            mtompset: is that the call in renewscript.pl?
11:26 mtompset        Yes.
11:27 mtompset        it's part of an if check.
11:27 mtompset        is it supposed to be -> and not ::?
11:28 mtompset        duh... nevermind that was a dumb question.
11:28 mtompset        Yes it is supposed to be -> since otherwise it would think it is a library.
11:28 slef            mtompset: are you sure that's the line? It's like you've called it without a parameter.
11:28 mtompset        if ( C4::Context->preference("ReturnToShelvingCart") ) {
11:29 mtompset        That is just one line with the call,.
11:29 drojf           slef: connection refused
11:29 mtompset        if ( C4::Context->preference("InProcessingToShelvingCart") ) {
11:29 mtompset        That's the other... both have a string defined.
11:29 slef            drojf: yikes.
11:29 mtompset        I get connection timeout./
11:29 slef            mtj: are you still up?
11:29 mtompset        I tried from a VM in Sinapore, and my VM on my local machine.
11:30 slef            Anyone got a contact at katipo?
11:30 mtompset        NZ is at 11:27PM.
11:30 mtompset        isn't it?
11:30 mtompset        Not likely anyone is there.
11:30 slef            katipo.co.nz mail is handled by 10 mx1.katipo.co.nz
11:30 drojf           we could just move to that nice new webforum :P
11:31 slef            drojf: lists.koha-community.org is still up
11:31 * mtompset      gives drojf the evil eye.
11:31 slef            mtompset: yeah something like that, which is why personal contact would be better, if we can guess who might be awake
11:32 mtompset        If they are awake, don't they love us enough to be here? ;)
11:32 slef            irc.katipo.co.nz doesn't exist
11:32 slef            not everyone is as lovely as the co-op and y'all ;-)
11:33 drojf           i wonder if this is supposed to be a joke
11:33 drojf           i mean my wifi
11:34 * slef          picks a random off of http://katipo.co.nz/contact.html
11:34 slef            ah
11:34 slef            sijobl: could you fix lists.katipo.co.nz please?
11:34 slef            @later tell sijobl could you fix lists.katipo.co.nz please?
11:34 huginn`         slef: The operation succeeded.
11:35 slef            idle since 12 sep, but hey ho
11:40 drojf           %&§/(/& wifi
11:40 drojf           back with a cable now
11:41 drojf           why thank you, guy living in the appartment over mine, hammering noises are exactly what i was pondering regarding my headache.
11:41 * drojf         hates this day
11:42 jcamins_away    mtj: could you please merge in my changes to git-bz?
11:43 mtompset        Does blah::blah->new() get called if blah::blah->foo() is called?
11:44 jcamins_away    Of course not.
11:44 mtompset        just checking...
11:45 mtompset        I'm trying to figure out why lc(shift) is generating an error log entry if a string is passed.
11:46 mtompset        I'm assuming C4::Context->preference("blah") would pass a self reference as a the first parameter.
11:46 jcamins_away    Yes.
11:47 jcamins_away    In that case, it's a string, I think.
11:47 mtompset        This error just makes no sense then.
11:48 mtompset        Perhaps I should look at the referer page for ideas?
11:49 jcamins_away    Maybe.
11:52 drojf           mtompset: there are a number of checks in the koha on ubuntu / packages wikipage. is it safe to assume that if i have a fresh installation of ubuntu 12.04 (and koha with packages on top), i don't have to check for these things? (like locale, sax parser, mysql encoding etc)
11:53 jcamins_away    drojf: it is, yes.
11:54 jcamins_away    packages?
11:54 wahanui         i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:54 jcamins_away    ^^ those are the instructions you should follow
11:54 drojf           if that is enough it's perfect. i might do an installation session and i was wondering whether to restrict it to debian or allow ubuntu too
11:55 jcamins_away    Yes. mtompset will be revising the Ubuntu instructions to make it clear that they are only for installing from the tarball.
11:56 drojf           jcamins_away: there is a (longish) version for koha with packages already
11:56 mtompset        I left them in for safety.
11:57 drojf           jcamins_away: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
11:57 mtompset        The default packages installation doesn't have all that stuff set the way the tarball instructions did.
11:57 drojf           it's like 3x the text of the debian one. if the debian instructions are enough it's perfect
11:57 mtompset        Yes, I've split the great wall of text.
11:58 jcamins_away    I'll remove the parts that are unnecessary.
11:58 mtompset        It has more example output.
11:58 jcamins_away    And instructs you to do lots of things that aren't necessary.
11:59 mtompset        The question which no one has the answer to is... why are those things not done in the packages?
11:59 mtompset        They must have had a historical reason.
11:59 mtompset        Why don't they apply now?
12:00 jcamins_away    mtompset: the packages handle everything automatically.
12:00 drojf           i assume because a) with a fresh installation it is alright b) it does not dare to screw up things that you set up for something else
12:01 mtompset        Fine... I will trim out sections which are likely extra.
12:01 drojf           oh look i have a ubuntu virtual machine for some reason. seems like trying it is not as far away as i thought
12:02 drojf           mtompset: can mediawiki have hidden text with an expand button or something. these test might be useful for someone installing on a machine that is used for other things already, but it's a lot of unneccessary text for everybody just doing a clean installation
12:03 drojf           that was supposed to be a question… can mediawiki have hidden text with an expand button or something?
12:03 kf              maybe have an extra page and link to it?
12:03 kf              troubleshooting
12:03 kf              do this... if you run into problems... look here
12:03 jcamins_away    That makes sense.
12:03 mtompset        There... sections cut out.
12:04 mtompset        And yes, it is still longer, because I actually attempt to try to explain the pre-web install/web install step better.
12:04 mtompset        Oh, and I have nicer upgrade and uninstall instructions. :P
12:05 jcamins_away    Longer is fine.
12:11 mtompset        The biggest problem with the instructions is the networking portion involved, because people can't handle lynx.
12:11 mtompset        I still use lynx, but tried to explain edit'ing /etc/hosts.
12:12 mtompset        The debian instructions don't even try.
12:13 mtompset        And I can understand why, but it's rather bothersome that we need a web interface to finish the last step.
12:13 mtompset        I was bouncing the idea of a readline front end to a Test::WWW::Mechanize based script off tcohen yesterday.
12:19 jcamins_away    If you are installing a server-based application for use over a network, I think it's safe to assume that there is a client somewhere.
12:21 drojf           i agree with jcamins_away, how would you not have a browser ready to test a entirely browser-based software? sounds strange to me
12:26 mtompset        drojf, because some librarian gets a static ip handed to him by his network admin, and doesn't have the names that he intended to work.
12:27 mtompset        but the site is available via ip address.
12:27 mtompset        and then you try to explain how to edit a windows hosts file.
12:27 mtompset        and they can't do it.
12:28 jcamins_away    mtompset: then they need to talk to IT.
12:28 mtompset        because they just don't understand.
12:28 mtompset        That's what I told them to do.
12:29 jcamins_away    Just like that bug I closed is not appropriate to bring to the Koha community, even though we might be able to solve it.
12:29 drojf           i would think that if you have a network admin to hand you an ip address, you have someone to set up a hostfile on your windows machine too
12:30 mtompset        not when the person is accessing the server via an VPN.
12:30 gaetan_B        bye !
12:30 mtompset        Bye, gaetan_B
12:30 mtompset        bug closed?
12:30 oleonard        Bug 8824
12:30 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED INVALID, use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x
12:30 jcamins_away    mtompset: and I say in that situation I don't care because any help I try to give them is goin to make them *more* confused.
12:31 drojf           there may always be some crazy scenario where one person not really capable of something has to do exactly that, but should we cover all that in instructions? then i would vote for one straight version without all that and a verbose one for those in need. having 8 pages of instructions when you only need half of it can really scare people away
12:31 mtompset        Would it be possible that the packages have both 8080 and namedvirtualhosts working?
12:32 jcamins_away    mtompset: if you wanted to set it up that way you could.
12:32 jcamins_away    mtompset: you discuss that in your instructions.
12:32 mtompset        If someone is doing a tarball, they likely have more computer expertise.
12:33 mtompset        Not with packages.
12:33 jcamins_away    Yes you do. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Initial_Configuration
12:34 mtompset        I suppose it is koha-create that generates the apache files?
12:35 jcamins_away    Yes.
12:36 mtompset        if you tried to go to library-admin.site.com without the 8080 for an intraport, will it default to the OPAC or use the 8080 virtualhost anyways?
12:36 jcamins_away    What?
12:36 jcamins_away    You can only access those hosts you configure. Apache isn't magical.
12:37 mtompset        Actually, apache is slightly magical.
12:37 mtompset        If you access via IP it defaults to the 80 port.
12:38 jcamins_away    That's because the web browser uses port 80. Nothing to do with Apache.
12:39 mtompset        so, if you have 80 OPAC and 8080 Intranet, named according... if you use just the name, will it do OPAC (which doesn't match the name), or will it use Intranet (which doesn't match the port), or will you get 404'd?
12:39 jcamins_away    It will fall through to the OPAC.
12:39 jcamins_away    *or* whatever the first-configured site on the same port is.
12:39 mtompset        Right... first configured site on the same port.
12:41 mtompset        So, if I wanted both namedvirtualhosts and 8080 setup. I'd either have to explain to the users how to tweak their apache file.
12:42 mtompset        OR...
12:42 mtompset        modify koha-create to generate a 8080 port regardless.
12:42 mtompset        (which probably wouldn't make it live)
12:45 jcamins_away    mtompset: yes, that is correct. But this would be a prime example of something that is not needed in the instructions.
12:45 tcohen          @later tell paul_p to take a look at bug 8800 for 3.10 as it is a big problem
12:45 huginn`         tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:46 jcamins_away    bug 8800
12:46 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
12:46 jcamins_away    Ah.
12:48 tcohen          thanks slef for the data
12:49 oleonard        Bug 8827
12:49 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8827 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , YUI CSS files no longer found on Yahoo servers
13:05 tcohen          so, dh-make-perl --build --cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil does it
13:21 tcohen          oleonard, that's almost instant bug fixing
13:23 * oleonard      loves a good bug in the morning
13:23 kf              oleonard++ #being awesome
13:27 magnuse         yeah oleonard++
13:29 oleonard        Thanks guys
13:29 Barrc           hey all - should DOM and grs-1 filters result in the same index set? That is, suppose I build an index using DOM and a clone using grs-1 - should then results screens be identical in Koha?
13:29 tcohen          frget about obama or romney, oleonard for president
13:30 oleonard        Ugh, talk about a job I would not take!
13:30 oleonard        I hear presidents don't have time to write patches for Koha
13:30 tcohen          hehe
13:31 drojf           oleonard: i hear none of them has tried yet :P
13:31 mtompset        If one of them did... would you vote for them? ;)
13:31 tcohen          what's the difference of cherry-picking and applying a patch?
13:32 mtompset        I think the latter requires an extra step (creating the patch)
13:32 oleonard        [off] I can't tell who needs an intervention more--Paul on the mailing list or us for continuing to help
13:32 kf              [off] lol
13:32 oleonard        cherry-picking allows you to pull a commit from the middle of another branch without having a patch
13:32 mtompset        [off] I was tempted to email Mason about that.
13:33 tcohen          could cleanly apply my patch for 8800 in 3.8.x but cherry picking worked
13:33 tcohen          s/could/couldn't/
13:34 tcohen          [off] Oh, THAT Paul
13:34 drojf           [off] sir president oleonard, sir, with all due respect, i think with some silence from our side we could win a lot.
13:35 mtompset        [off] I've been tempted to email Paul saying stop being an askhole, but that wouldn't be nice, even if it is true.
13:35 oleonard        [off] oleonard moves his hand off the "send to Guantanamo" button in respect to drojf's advice
13:36 tcohen          [off] mtompset, I did. And it didn't work
13:36 tcohen          [off] "As I said in my previous email, I noticed a syntax problem with the
13:36 tcohen          example contrab file. Also said I'll try to provide a patch to fix
13:36 tcohen          that. I'm not in denial of what you say.
13:36 tcohen          I belive you take our comments about the problem you encountered too
13:36 tcohen          personal. We've just read your emails, and used what we've seen before
13:36 tcohen          to give you some advise. I cannot speak for the rest of the devs, but
13:36 tcohen          I feel that problems the users have challenge my knowledge and I spend
13:36 tcohen          a lot of time trying to solve them and making Koha better for the
13:37 tcohen          non-tech user. It has nothing to do with you or trying to refute your
13:37 tcohen          comments specifically."
13:37 mtompset        Oops... ;)
13:37 drojf           tcohen++ # for trying
13:37 tcohen          [off] i don't know, i think i need that intervention hehehe
13:38 mtompset        [off] But you didn't say ASK-hole. Because that really is the word for him. I'm sad to say I know 2 now. :(
13:39 nengard         can somoene help me understand how to document bug 7621  ? I don't understand what FSK and PEGI are in the examples - are they item types? Collections? Something else completely?
13:39 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
13:39 mtompset        [off] asks for advice, and then does the opposite. -- just so a definition is out there.
13:41 tcohen          oleonard,mtompset: should I provide a patch for 3.8 of bug 8800? Or just let rangi cherry pick it then?
13:42 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
13:42 drojf           nengard: FSK is a rating  (from germany), like MPAA rating for movies
13:42 mtompset        I'd say if it doesn't apply cleanly, make a patch up.
13:42 mtompset        Better to err on the side of caution.
13:42 oleonard        rangi will usually try to apply the patch for master and will ask for a new one if it doesn't apply
13:43 nengard         drojf, so I'm entering the rating in the 521a
13:43 oleonard        ...bit if you know it doesn't apply...
13:43 nengard         but then what, this confuses me FSK|PEGI|Age|
13:43 nengard         so if my 521$a  =  PG 13  what do I set the preference to?
13:44 tcohen          the patch doesn't apply, but cherry-picking does
13:44 drojf           nengard: have to read the actual bug shortly
13:44 nengard         :)
13:44 tcohen          ok, I'll provide that patch as well
13:44 mtompset        nengard: there's a wiki for it.
13:44 mtompset        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Age_restriction
13:45 nengard         mtompset sorry that still doesn't help me
13:45 nengard         It does not say if 521 = X then the preference should = Y
13:45 nengard         I don't understand the link between the two
13:45 kf              FSK is an abbreviation for some sort of age limit here - I guess you would have to add one for PG?
13:45 nengard         and if I don't then those reading the manual won't if I just copy that page to the manual
13:46 nengard         kf - add it where?
13:47 nengard         What I need is someone to break it down for me as if I had never used Koha or cataloged anything before
13:47 mtompset        PEGI is a game rating system, sort of like E, M, T.
13:47 mtompset        Can't help with that, sorry. :(
13:48 nengard         Right, I don't need to worry too much about the rating systems, I care about how to use the preference and how to document it for the new Koha users
13:50 kf              hm mveron is not here right now
13:50 drojf           nengard: i think it's more of a hard age limit based on the actual age of a borrower, matched to 521$1. what i am not sure about is the "AgeRestrictionMarker", is that matched to someting like 521$2 (which i think would mark what system is used)? only using the wiki atm
13:52 kf              hm, I think you have a | separated list of prefixes you want ti to look for
13:52 kf              in the column you mapped the agerestriction field to
13:52 kf              and then catalog  it with prefix <age> in that field
13:53 kf              to trigger the warning in circ
14:02 mtompset        Is there a way to show the barcode in the OPAC search results?
14:02 tcohen          edit your XSLT's
14:04 tcohen          the thing is you wil have more than one barcode right?
14:04 tcohen          (you 'might')
14:05 jcamins         Barrc: no.
14:05 tcohen          oleonard, i've seen recently that some files where 'moved' in the sense that git is aware fo that move thing
14:06 nengard         kf, that's what it looks like, but I'm not sure I know what to put in the preference ?
14:06 drojf           nengard: FSK uses just the age (as a number) for rating, like "FSK 12" means it is suitable for people of 12 or more years of age. PEGI does the same. i think the label (fsk, pegi) ist deleted from 521$a and then the rest (the numbers) are used to match to the borrowers age. after checking with LOC, its is 521$b that should have the source (like FSK) but i guss that is not in the scope of your question
14:06 tcohen          do u know how can one tell git to generate patches that 'move' things around instead of deleting/creating?
14:06 mtompset        one barcode per item.
14:07 jcamins         tcohen: git mv. Unfortunately, there's no way I know of to put that in a patch without removing and creating.
14:07 nengard         drojf, I think I understand how to use the 521 part of this .. just not sure what the preference should look like if the 521 has something like FSK 12
14:08 tcohen          but, with the last move of you (or was jquery?) when I git pull it told me some files where moved
14:08 nengard         Is it maybe all of the prefixes and then the age limit
14:08 tcohen          s/you/yui/
14:08 jcamins         tcohen: yes, it recognizes that.
14:08 nengard         and how do you put multiple limits
14:09 tcohen          so, would it be possible to re-organize the koha source tree in a same way without loosing the history of each line?
14:09 jcamins         tcohen: why would we want to do that?
14:09 tcohen          sorry, my typing is really bad (at least) today
14:10 tcohen          s/same/sane/
14:10 jcamins         Ohhh.
14:10 jcamins         Hm.
14:10 jcamins         I'm not sure what directory structure would be sane.
14:11 tcohen          src/intranet
14:11 tcohen          /opac
14:11 tcohen          /lib
14:11 tcohen          templates/intranet-tmpl
14:11 tcohen          /opac-tmpl
14:11 tcohen          and so on?
14:11 jcamins         Ah.
14:11 jcamins         Hm.
14:11 jcamins         Not sure it would be worth it.
14:11 tcohen          not sure if its perfect, but at least it makes sense
14:12 jcamins         It does make more sense.
14:12 drojf           nengard: i think for using the function of the patch, you would enable it and if  521 matches one of the abbreviations specified in the syspref, the origin (like "FSK" or "PEGI") would be ignored, the bumber part used to check the age limit. in the case of these restrictions, it is not possibe to have more than one. "FSK 12" means from 12 on, "FSK 16" means from 16 on. if it is "FSK 12" it is implied to be "FSK 16" too, there is only one rating in that
14:13 libsysguy       tcohen perhaps you could do a git mv?
14:13 libsysguy       so you still retain the history of the file
14:13 libsysguy       and the move itself
14:14 libsysguy       but i'm not sure what is hardcoded as far as paths go
14:14 nengard         So let's say I have a movie with FSK 12 and another with FSK 16 ? I set  the prefernece to FSK|16 does that mean that the 12 year olds can take out the FSK 16?
14:14 libsysguy       and you'd probably have to do a rebuild
14:14 tcohen          i was thinking about Paul's email, and how complicated are the install scripts in taking *some* files from *some* dirs and putting them together in another dir...
14:14 nengard         am I making this harder than it has to be? Or do you see my confusion?
14:15 tcohen          libsysguy, yes that's what I was thinking of addressing
14:15 tcohen          I'm not sure if it is worth the trouble
14:15 tcohen          but will give it a try
14:15 libsysguy       we'll you'd certainly piss a lot of users off that use git
14:15 libsysguy       and im not sure how jenkins would behave
14:16 tcohen          hmm, git users that have a -dev setup?
14:16 tcohen          didn't think about htat
14:16 kf              nengard: I think it checks for older than
14:16 jcamins         tcohen: it's not that complicated if you don't do dumb things like editing the files after they've been installed.
14:17 kf              nengard: it does not have to be the exact age, only the age it is allowed to or older
14:17 jcamins         If you do things that are a bad idea, *of course* you're going to run into problems.
14:17 tcohen          jcamins, i'll try and let you know
14:17 libsysguy       but users have already been advised against that
14:17 jcamins         [off] And that thread started with "I know this is a terrible idea but I don't care."
14:17 drojf           nengard: you have one 521 per biblio. when a patron wants to check out an item, it has a 521 (from the biblio) which is checked against the age of that certain patron that wants to borrow the item. at least that is what i think it does
14:18 kf              drojfI think you are right
14:18 nengard         Right, that part I get, but if I have two bibs with different levels ?.
14:18 kf              all the items get checked against one 521
14:18 kf              nengard: sorry, I don't understand the problem :(
14:18 nengard         In my example I meant if Bib record A has FSK 12 and bib record B has FSK 16
14:19 nengard         what do I put in the preference as my age restriction?
14:19 kf              if you have an item for a bib with FSK 12 - the user has to be 12 or older, if you check out another item from another big with FSK 16 - the user has to be 16 or older
14:19 kf              FSK
14:19 nengard         If I put 16 in there then the 12 year olds can get the item
14:19 kf              you only give the prefix as I read the example
14:19 kf              in the pref
14:19 nengard         But the preference example says FSK|PEGI|Age
14:19 nengard         what is 'Age'
14:20 kf              I think it means that yu could probably only put in 16 thee
14:20 kf              and it would still work
14:20 kf              I can't test as I don#t have master accessible right now - but it should be quick to determine
14:20 nengard         would it? do we know if it's using the age in the 521 or the age in the preference?  :)
14:20 kf              it's using the age in the record
14:20 kf              it would make no sense to have it in the pref :)
14:21 kf              not even in switzerland (sorry mveron mbalmer, couldn't resist)
14:21 drojf           nengard: yes, it throws away "FSK" or "PEGI" from 521$a and used the age (number) that stays
14:21 nengard         okay
14:21 nengard         I'll give this a shot and see if I can document this
14:22 nengard         thanks for all the back and forth kf and drojf - sometimes I need to talk through things
14:22 drojf           nengard: try to summon mveron for more information
14:22 drojf           if needed
14:22 drojf           (i hope we got his feature right ;) )
14:23 jcamins         mveron. mveron. mveron.
14:23 jcamins         (in case he's like Beetlejuice)
14:23 nengard         @later tell mveron I might need some help figuring out how to document the feature introduced in bug 7621, I'm not sure I know what the relationship between the preference and the marc record are or what to put in the preference for 'Age' I'm going to do some testing, but if you have more thorogh documentation I'd love to see it
14:23 huginn`         nengard: The operation succeeded.
14:23 nengard         jcamins I have one for you too :)
14:24 nengard         AuthDisplayHierarchy
14:24 nengard         my authorities might just be crap, but I'm not see anything but one level of hierarchy when I turn this on
14:24 nengard         can you give me a sample authority to use?
14:24 kf              nengard: I have a catalouging example and a screenshot on the bug for yu :)
14:25 nengard         well jcamins didn't include a bug number in his database update line :) so I didn't go look at the bug yet :)
14:25 jcamins         nengard: bug 8211
14:25 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search
14:25 jcamins         No.
14:25 jcamins         Bug 8523?
14:25 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
14:25 jcamins         I cannot. The authorities have to be linked by authid.
14:25 nengard         oo boy ? mine does not look like that at all
14:25 nengard         in fact mine isn't even linked
14:26 jcamins         nengard: right, they generally won't be.
14:26 kf              nengard: I created the sample records myself
14:26 kf              it was easy
14:26 kf              with the new plugin
14:26 jcamins         This was a UNIMARC-only feature for five years.
14:26 nengard         so the Marc21 part isn't as robust yet?
14:26 kf              it's the same, but if you reimport records they get new authids
14:27 jcamins         nengard: no, it's just as robust now.
14:27 kf              or even more robust than before I think? the display it's much nicer
14:27 kf              is much nicer
14:27 jcamins         However, no one is going to have data for it because for five years there was no option.
14:27 jcamins         Use the see also (5xx) plugin to add links.
14:27 kf              you can use my screenshot if you want
14:28 jcamins         Or use kf's screenshot. That makes sense, too.
14:28 kf              but it's a german example :(
14:28 jcamins         More sense, actually, as it saves you work.
14:28 kf              basically I did a geographical one
14:28 kf              germany - state baden-württemberg - city Konstanz - quarter Fürstenberg
14:29 * jcamins       doesn't really know why someone would use it other than geographic authorities.
14:29 jcamins         Oooh.
14:29 jcamins         We should add a link using bug 8211 to the authority details screen
14:29 kf              jcamins: genealogy?
14:29 kf              father / daughter / family trees!
14:29 jcamins         kf: genealogy?
14:30 jcamins         Broader/narrower? :P
14:30 kf              well, not with that terms, but it would work :)
14:30 jcamins         Okay, yeah
14:31 kf              or
14:31 kf              well
14:31 kf              topical could work well too
14:31 kf              like
14:31 kf              biology
14:31 jcamins         zoology, spiderology?
14:31 jcamins         Good point. :)
14:31 kf              and have narrower genetics, ... and others I can't translate right now
14:31 kf              yep those
14:31 * jcamins       made up spiderology.
14:32 kf              I was tempted to do animalogy
14:40 mtompset        spiderology is cooler. ;)
14:40 mtompset        jcamins++ # plus points for the creativity. ;)
14:44 mtompset        Is it possible for a library to have no barcodes?
14:44 jcamins         Of course.
14:44 jcamins         Most of mine do.
14:44 jcamins         Do not.
14:45 mtompset        Okay, so a patch to display barcodes in the OPAC search results would really only need to display barcodes if there were barcodes.
14:45 jcamins         And wouldn't be accepted, right.
14:45 jcamins         See the last three times people tried to change the OPAC to show the barcode.
14:46 mtompset        Why wasn't it accepted?
14:46 jcamins         Because most people don't want barcode displayed.
14:47 SJeffery        Even if it is a configurable option that is off by default?
14:47 jcamins         SJeffery: that would be acceptable. The last three attempts were all "always on"-type modifications.
14:48 nengard         jcamins, i'm testing the authority import in master and it's frozen
14:48 nengard         and the list of processes on my server doesn't show it running anymore
14:48 nengard         it did work the first time I tested it ? last week I think
14:48 jcamins         nengard: your javascript was out of date. Go to the manage MARC import screen.
14:48 nengard         it's not there
14:49 jcamins         And it's not running?
14:49 jcamins         Weird.
14:49 nengard         but the one I did on the 20th is there
14:49 nengard         It is stuck at processing
14:49 nengard         on the browser
14:49 nengard         and the process is not running anymore on the server
14:49 nengard         what has changed for me since the 20th is that I upgraded to mountain lion ? but don't think that's it
14:49 jcamins         When I imported authorities yesterday it worked.
14:50 nengard         hmmm
14:50 jcamins         Actually, it was two days ago.
14:50 jcamins         Monday.
14:50 * jcamins       can eventually figure out what the calendar says.
14:50 nengard         heh
14:51 nengard         well i did pull down new updates to master yesterday
14:51 nengard         so maybe something broke it yesterday
14:51 jcamins         Right, but I didn't think there was anything new since Monday.
14:51 nengard         here's what happens ?
14:51 nengard         1. browse for file
14:52 nengard         2. change type to authority
14:52 nengard         3. don't look for matches
14:52 nengard         4. click button
14:52 nengard         server says :  www-data  1915  0.0  3.3 109904 24300 ?        R    10:43   0:00 /usr/bin/perl /home/nengard/kohaclone/tools/background-job-progress.pl
14:52 nengard         1 minute later that line is gone from the processes, but the browser still says it's processing
14:53 nengard         same process with a bib record finishes in no time
14:53 jcamins         Hmmm... mtj didn't tidy that file for perlcritic, did he?
14:53 nengard         iono
14:54 jcamins         He did.
14:54 jcamins         Okay... file a new bug, and link the one you reported yesterday to it with see also.
14:54 jcamins         That will allow me to quickly identify what the problem is when I get a chance to fix it tonight.
14:55 jcamins         Probably I hadn't updated master on Monday.
14:55 nengard         okey dokey
14:57 nengard         done
14:58 jcamins         Thanks.
15:00 jcamins         I hate debugging background-job-progress.pl.
15:02 jcamins         I wish we did *real* AJAX for that.
15:04 slef            all AJAX is hell
15:04 slef            whether real or fake
15:04 slef            KISS
15:05 oleonard        AJAX, used properly, helps us keep things simple for the user
15:05 jcamins         slef: yes, but the way we do it is worse.
15:06 slef            oleonard: rarely simpler in use, often harder to debug.
15:06 * oleonard      eagerly awaits jcamins' implementation of http://jqueryui.com/demos/progressbar/
15:06 jcamins         The "fork and throw out all debug information to /dev/null" option is rarely superior.
15:07 jcamins         Alas, that's the option we went with for import. :(
15:07 slef            yeah, forking's best avoided with web too :-/
15:08 slef            and if you must fork, redirecting debug into to /dev/null instead of the logs is almost certainly wrong
15:08 slef            fun fun fun
15:08 slef            stuff like that is why I want to chew people's legs off sometimes
15:08 kf              eew
15:09 slef            maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:09 slef            kitten kebabs!
15:09 slef            if I wasn't so busy, I'd get GIMP to make a graphic of that
15:09 kf              I am not sure I want dinner today now
15:10 slef            Sorry
15:10 slef            I'm writing election addresses
15:10 slef            I think it is best to be positive in them
15:10 slef            but that means that the vitriol has to go somewhere else.
15:11 slef            After all, isn't part of the reason anyone stands for election to try to fix what they think is broken?
15:12 slef            If you thought everything was going brilliant, you'd probably not stand for election and just let those who are doing it get on with it.
15:12 slef            *shrug*
15:12 jcamins         slef: well, that and a belief that there are opportunities for bribery and graft.
15:12 slef            jcamins: arf!
15:13 kf              slef: you stand of for election?
15:13 chris_n         politicians motivated by money?!! perish the thought! they're all pure and innocent aren't they?
15:13 slef            jcamins: you can try to bribe me if you like. Let's call it a campaign contribution.  Then I'll probably forget and do what I was going to do anyway, then what you gonna do?
15:13 kf              for what?
15:13 kf              and sorry for my english today, my brain is not working
15:14 slef            kf: One of 50 ordinary consumer-members to attend http://www.co-operative.coop/ national meetings. Pretty low-power.
15:15 kf              :)
15:15 * druthb        would never describe slef as "ordinary"
15:15 kf              nope
15:15 slef            kf: but: it gets me to the national meetings, which can be useful for various reasons; and it gets me visible to the local meetings if I want to stand for election to a higher-power local post next summer.
15:15 kf              well definitely not after the previous kitten comment
15:15 slef            bwahaha
15:16 slef            druthb: yeah well sometimes they call it "ordinary" and sometimes "active" but what they really mean is "not elected to anything else"
15:16 jcamins         drojf: also, "probably not worth bribing." :)
15:16 druthb          @later tell eythian Unicorn is nothing more or less than an earlier version of Symphony.  The same API will work for extracting circ data, or use the "List Charges" report with XML output if you don't have shell access.
15:16 huginn`         druthb: The operation succeeded.
15:16 jcamins         *druthb
15:19 slef            jcamins: damn you ;)
15:20 jcamins         slef: just calling it like I see it. :P
15:20 slef            jcamins: what, you don't want to bribe one of the biggest shareholders of the UK's fifth largest food retailer?
15:21 jwagner         @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:21 huginn`         jwagner: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:21 slef            (no-one owns more shares in it than I do)
15:21 jcamins         slef: n shares per member?
15:22 jwagner         @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:22 huginn`         jwagner: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:22 jwagner         Grump.
15:22 slef            jcamins: 1 member 1 share AFAIK
15:26 wajasu          oooh cloning from git timed out.
15:29 mtompset        @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:29 huginn`         mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:29 mtompset        Registered with huggin`, I guess.
15:30 * SJeffery      just got back from a trip to the Library of Congress and is feeling all librarian-ish today.
15:32 mtompset        @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?
15:32 huginn`         mtompset: The operation succeeded.  Quote #217 added.
15:32 mtompset        There we go, jwagner. :)
15:32 oleonard        On acqui/orderreceive.pl, why does it say "Quantity received: 0" when I have previously added 3 items?
15:32 jwagner         I keep identifying and huginn never remembers me. I think it doesn't like me....
15:33 oleonard        I see the items on the record, so I know they're there.
15:33 jcamins         oleonard: I think it only tells you how many have been received that session?
15:34 oleonard        Hm, I guess that makes sense in the context that the "Quantity to receive" field shows the number of items I need to receive, *having already received X number of items*
15:40 jcamins         oleonard: do we already have the progressbar in our jQueryUI file?
15:41 oleonard        I can't remember if the patch I submitted which included it was pushed yet
15:41 jcamins         oleonard: incidentally, did I tell you the API change in jQuery I was cursing turned out to be a workaround for a misconfigured server?
15:42 oleonard        No, nor do I remember you cursing anything
15:42 jcamins         Well, I was tearing my hair over a change in the jQuery AJAX API for cross-site requests.
15:43 jcamins         The code worked on the latest jQuery but not older versions.
15:43 jcamins         It turns out the code was correct for all versions, but the newer version included a workaround for if the remote server was misconfigured.
15:44 oleonard        That's very... specific.
15:44 jcamins         Yes. And unexpected.
15:44 jcamins         Generally my feeling is that it is not the client's responsibility to deal with a server that hasn't been set up right.
15:45 jcamins         Apparently a jQuery developer disagrees.
15:45 oleonard        Oh, I submitted a follow-up patch to Bug 7067 which includes Progressbar, but that's not likely to go in soon.
15:45 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
15:45 oleonard        biab
15:46 nengard         jcamins what is the command line way to import authorities?
15:46 nengard         bulkmarcimport.pl -a file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v
15:46 nengard         isn't working
15:46 jcamins         Really?
15:46 nengard         $ bulkmarcimport.pl -a file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v
15:46 nengard         bash: bulkmarcimport.pl: command not found
15:46 jcamins         Oh.
15:46 jcamins         Yes, you have to run the script.
15:47 jcamins         misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl
15:47 jcamins         Also, -file not file
15:47 nengard         ~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools$ bulkmarcimport.pl -a -file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v
15:47 nengard         bash: bulkmarcimport.pl: command not found
15:49 jcamins         You need to run the script. Use ./ if you're in the directory, or just run it using perl.
15:49 nengard         perl bulkmarcimport.pl -a -file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v
15:49 nengard         worked
15:49 tcohen          can anyone tell me how to add some ,deb in a debian repo created following http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages ?
15:50 jcamins         tcohen: you mean you want to add the deb *to* a repo?
15:50 jcamins         Or *from* a repo?
15:51 tcohen          I want to add *some* missing perl libs to a repo I created with *some* patches applied
15:51 jcamins         Okay, so you don't have the repo yet, and you want it.
15:51 jcamins         Well, darn. The guide I like is no longer online.
15:51 tcohen          I almost have the repo, using that wiki as reference
15:52 jcamins         https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools/blob/master/release-tool.pl#L1168
15:52 tcohen          just need to add some extra .deb files I created using dh-make-perl
15:53 jcamins         dput *.changes
15:53 jcamins         dput {reponame} *.changes
15:53 jcamins         Sorry.
15:53 jcamins         Always forget that.
15:54 tcohen          thanks
15:57 tcohen          jcamins, it wont add perl dependencies but only push the koha-common deb right?
15:58 jcamins         tcohen: it will only add koha and koha-common if you specify the koha-whatever.changes file.
15:58 jcamins         You should be running dput {reponame} changesfile.changes for each package you want to add.
15:58 tcohen          ok, understood
16:03 wajasu          what repo software do you use to build/host your debian repo?  i was thinking of building a local one.
16:03 jcamins         reprepro.
16:03 jcamins         Only way to go.
16:03 wajasu          thx
16:04 jcamins         (I mean, there are other options, but don't take them, they're not as pleasant)
16:04 jcamins         There should be a git repo for the deb repo configuration.
16:04 jcamins         Also, I should merge my changes into mtj's git-bz.
16:05 wajasu          saves me the pain.  i'll revist later when i get around to it.  maybe you will have it merged by then.
16:08 jcamins         Merged.
16:10 jcamins         https://github.com/jcamins/git-bz <-- if anyone cares
16:10 jcamins         @later tell mtj https://github.com/jcamins/git-bz has your changes merged in
16:10 huginn`         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
16:12 reiveune        bye
16:14 oleonard        jcamins++
16:14 oleonard        So do you do "git bz -e -m" ?
16:15 harit           Can i customize koha online catalog webpage
16:15 jcamins         oleonard: --mail I think.
16:16 wajasu          jcamins++
16:26 oleonard        Does the sample data now include an ACQ framework?
16:29 oleonard        Looks like it doesn't. Should it?
16:30 jcamins         oleonard: I would think so.
16:30 * oleonard      commands that it be so
16:31 * oleonard      checks
16:31 oleonard        Shoot, that never works.
16:40 nengard         acquisitions question - why is the tax rate a pull down now? how do I enter a tax rate in that field?
16:41 mtj             jcamins, oleonard  either  --mail or -m
16:41 jcamins         mtj: do you ever sleep?
16:42 mtj             parser.add_option("-m", "--mail", action="store_true", help="send email")
16:43 mtj             yeah, i sometimes get up in the wee hours and pfaff
16:45 cait            hi again #koha
16:45 mtj             oh wow, my git-bz was missing paul's git-am -3 patch (i pulled mine from slefs repo)
16:48 mtj             jcamins, nice!  i'll pull yr gitbz changes later
16:48 jcamins         mtj: thanks.
16:48 jcamins         At some point I also want to add "taking" the bug.
16:57 oleonard        Oh, were we looking for examples of AJAX badly handled? I think if your AJAX function includes a "success" function but no "fail" function that counts.
16:58 jcamins         oleonard: if a failure can safely be ignored, I don't see a problem with that.
16:58 oleonard        *if*
16:59 oleonard        The grey area is where failure seems so unlikely.
16:59 jcamins         Where does failure matter but not get checked?
16:59 oleonard        I'm looking at orderreceive.pl which uses AJAX to load a copy of the additem form
17:00 oleonard        It seems very unlikely that it would not succeed, but what happens if it doesn't? The user gets no entry form and no clue
17:02 cait            oleonard: I agree with you :)
17:02 cait            it's evil
17:02 cait            ;)
17:05 oleonard        cait: On the other hand, all we can do is say "Sorry, couldn't load the form. Go do something else for a while"
17:06 SJeffery        That is better than nothing.
17:07 cait            oleonard: well... yes
17:11 jcamins         Wow.
17:13 cait            jcamins: hm?
17:13 cait            you can't just say wow and then stop
17:13 jcamins         cait: give it a minute.
17:13 cait            bug 8824
17:13 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x
17:15 jcamins         cait: do you have a better word for it?
17:15 cait            not really
17:15 cait            maybe.. argh?
17:15 oleonard        Oh no, not Network World!
17:16 jcamins         ^^ good call. *That* is what you say to it.
17:25 mtj             troll-of-teh-week++
17:27 cait            mtj: you should sleep sometimes, you know that, right? :)
17:27 mtj             i have been asleep, i just got up
17:28 slef            mtj: can you nudge katipo to fix lists.katipo please?
17:28 mtj             [off] $god help masscat, if that guy is their tech-support :/
17:29 slef            they'll love it at this time of the morning :)
17:30 mtj             yep, will do this morning
17:31 jcamins         What's wrong with lists.katipo.co.nz?
17:31 slef            jcamins: refusing connections
17:31 jcamins         slef: ooh, that's a problem.
17:32 maximep         wow, 8824 made my day
17:32 slef            that's been happening since 2012-09-25 10:55:39 1TGRrd-0006gs-DV daddy-mx.katipo.co.nz [] Connection refused
17:32 slef            bug 8824
17:32 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x
17:33 jcamins         You know what I dislike? The way we use hyphens instead of en dashes for dates in authorities.
17:45 * oleonard      asks jcamins to back down on the inflammatory nature of his strong words re:hyphens
17:45 jcamins         oleonard: are you telling me it isn't just *jarring*?
17:47 oleonard        I don't actually have an opinion :)
17:47 jcamins         oleonard: go look at a heading with dates. I'll wait.
17:47 jcamins         Don't you now feel jarred?
17:47 * oleonard      climbs back into his chair
17:48 jcamins         Exactly!
17:53 tcohen          jcamins, do your release-tool.pl script send mails or something if run without other parameters than the version?
18:00 bornie21        hie I wanted to ask whether it is possible to import patron data directly into mysql database.
18:01 jcamins         koha migration toolbox?
18:01 wahanui         koha migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
18:01 jcamins         bornie21: yes, and there's a script for it in there ^^
18:01 jcamins         There's also a patron import tool, I think.
18:02 bornie21        Ok thanx but i also wanted to ask about passwords for the patrons. Do I leave them blank or create dummies
18:02 jcamins         Either way.
18:02 wahanui         either way is workable though imho
18:03 bornie21        Great thanx
18:10 tcohen          jcamins, your script passes the branch as distribution?
18:11 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Cataloging with Authorities in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/kwbbd49e #kohails"
18:12 oleonard        http://screencast.com/t/sCXl6t2693
18:17 jcamins_away    tcohen, by default. The e-mail is only sent if explicitly requested.
18:18 tcohen          so --branch precise is expected for precise ?
18:18 jcamins_away    If you want it srt up like that.
18:19 jcamins_away    I prefer meaningful diat names.
18:19 tcohen          its just that I undesrstood that -D= or --distribution is what is passed to pbuilder as the debian distribution
18:19 jcamins_away    Will push reprepro config in an hour.
18:20 jcamins_away    Yes, exactly right.
18:20 jcamins_away    train is here.
18:20 tcohen          bye!
18:33 wajasu          libsysguy:  i wanted to write a test for Koha::Schema of  bug 8728.  I went to apply the patches and the third one 'Updated-to-remove-tabs.patch'  failed to apply.  Maybe we should get khall to regen one.
18:33 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve
18:33 wajasu          i mean bug 8798
18:33 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class
18:33 libsysguy       maybe wajasu
18:34 khall           I may have managed to screw it up somehow. Try deprecating my so'ed one and reinstate his original.
18:36 wajasu          ok. i'll try his original.
18:37 wajasu          if it works, i'll sign it off.
18:53 wajasu          ok. applied the signed off.  no to my attempt to write a test.
19:14 oleonard        Hi gary_
19:16 gary_           hi there oleonard
19:17 gary_           any chance someone could help me with a problem related to bug 8497?
19:17 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8497 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Strange behavior when modifying the 'timeout' system preference.
19:17 oleonard        I can advise you not to use the "days" option
19:18 gary_           um... to late :(
19:18 cait            gary_: did you lock yourself out?
19:18 gary_           more or less
19:18 oleonard        gary_: Do you have access to MySQL?
19:18 cait            do you have access to the database by chance?
19:18 cait            hehe
19:18 cait            oleonard++
19:18 oleonard        cait++
19:18 gary_           I do but I'm not savvy with mysql so I don't know how to edit it manually
19:19 gary_           i'm just a librarian and a sunny day computer geek
19:19 cait            it's not really hard
19:19 cait            how can you access myswl? command line or using a tool?
19:19 gary_           hehe, says you cait
19:20 gary_           command line
19:20 cait            ok
19:20 cait            so lock into mysql and do... (1 sec)
19:22 cait            select * from systempreferences where variable like "timeout";
19:23 gary_           cait: putting this in a text file to take to work tomorrow.. system is not online yet
19:23 cait            oh
19:24 cait            ok
19:24 cait            that should just give you the line
19:24 cait            the next thing you would want is to update the value
19:24 gary_           ok, i'm with you so far
19:24 gary_           makes sense
19:25 cait            hm
19:25 cait            wait a sec
19:26 cait            yeah but I made amistake
19:26 cait            :) let me get it right
19:26 gary_           ok, i'm patient
19:28 cait            oook :)
19:28 cait            select * from systempreferences where variable = "timeout"
19:28 cait            ;
19:29 cait            not like, but = - that just outputs
19:29 cait            now to update
19:29 gary_           k, got it
19:30 cait            update systempreferences set value = 12000001 where variable = "timeout";
19:30 cait            the original value in my database from installing koha was 12000000
19:30 cait            I updated it by one, checking I tell you the right thing
19:31 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Cataloging with Authorities in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/wHf1iBf6"
19:31 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Koha Newsletter: Volume 3, Issue 9: September 2012 http://t.co/J1smRFzq"
19:31 cait            but if you are supported by a vendor - maybe worth asking them to do it for you
19:32 oleonard        Great minds think alike... I also have a timeout of 12000001 now :)
19:32 gary_           nope, no vendor, it's all commando
19:33 gary_           cait, so after update, that's the trick and it should be back to default +1?
19:33 cait            you can reset it to 12000001 too
19:33 cait            it probably has some numer with d at the end now
19:34 cait            which is the problem as this doesn't work so well
19:34 gary_           correct
19:34 gary_           it's like it ignores the d and logs me out every 2 seconds
19:34 cait            it may do that - I think there is a bug somewhere :(
19:35 jcamins         @later tell tcohen https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools/tree/master/reprepro
19:35 huginn`         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
19:35 gary_           thank you all so much. I'll give it a go tomorrow and hopefully be able to get to work
19:36 jcamins         Why don't we just remove the canned reports? They don't work.
19:37 oleonard        No argument from me jcamins, but since people are actively submitting patches to change them someone must be using them
19:37 cait            jcamins: I agree too... but I think we should better fix them
19:37 jcamins         Fair enough.
19:37 cait            they do offer some functionality we don't have in the other reports *sigh*
19:38 jcamins         cait: yeah, fixing would be better, but someone would need to do that.
19:38 cait            I fixed some in the past...
19:38 cait            well a bit
19:38 mbalmer         I will slowly start to collect a list of figures that are interested to run Koha on PostgreSQL.  Send folks my way.
19:38 drojf           [off] regarding the troll of the week, i thought that guy was a troll when he said "norton firewall". which, if it is as great as it used to be, may well be the reason for his problems. i did edonkey support for fun back in the days and "deinstall norton" was one of the first things we told everybody, because it worked for most problems. that "software" did not care about its settings at all. but as a professional, he will know that…
19:39 drojf           [off] also, why are you people so arrogant on that webforum that is our bug tracker? :P
19:40 jcamins         [off] I'm just gifted like that. :)
19:40 drojf           :)
19:47 mbalmer         hmm.
19:48 mbalmer         maybe sth I should rather ask on the mailing lists than here.
19:49 oleonard        What will you do with your list mbalmer?
19:50 mbalmer         A change to PostgreSQL will only hapen if enough people want it.  And that has to be found out first.
19:50 oleonard        You mean if enough people fund it?
19:51 mbalmer         Maybe even if enough people want it.
19:53 oleonard        I would think there are incremental improvements that can be done towards db-agnosticism
19:53 mbalmer         but fighting windmillls makes no sense.
19:53 rambutan        I think PostgreSQL support is a good thing: (1) backup to MySQL if a truck hits it (2) many people _claim_ it's more secure, reliable and scalable (3) work to support PostgreSQL may work to promote database agnosticism
19:53 mbalmer         and db-agnosticism makes no sense either.
19:53 oleonard        No sense?!
19:53 mbalmer         no.
19:54 cait            mbalmer: I tihnk than you are talking about a fork
19:54 cait            we need a way to continue support for mysql
19:54 cait            even if more and more people switch over to something else over time
19:54 oleonard        mbalmer the only way you'll get support for adding Postgres is if you support db-agnosticism
19:54 mbalmer         for any real application you have to choose the DB.  else you can not take advantage of the specific offerings.
19:55 * oleonard      builds his windmill opposite mbalmer's
19:55 mbalmer         oleonard, that is not my goal.  If at all, I want to use advanced features of PostgreSQL.  Or, as an option, leave that and stay with MySQL.
19:56 * jcamins       ignores windmills, considers having a cookie.
19:56 cait            mmh cookies
19:57 oleonard        I agree with cait, it sounds like you're talking about a fork mbalmer
19:57 mbalmer         certainly not.
19:58 mbalmer         a fork of koha would not be fruitful.
19:58 oleonard        Then it sounds like you're going to push Postgres as the only option until everyone agrees with you.
19:58 mbalmer         staying with MySQL isn't either ;) (my personal opinion, ymmv)
19:59 mbalmer         oleonard, I push nothing.
19:59 mbalmer         I use Koha as is.
19:59 * mtj           looking forward to DBIx being pushed...
19:59 mbalmer         I return to development of Koha once it has changed the DB.
20:00 jcamins         mtj: me too!
20:00 oleonard        mbalmer: We'll call you when it happens.
20:00 mbalmer         until that day I will happily run and support it as is.
20:00 mtj             postgres and DBIx, that would be great!
20:01 rambutan        Firebird!
20:01 wahanui         firebird is a really great database because they have the prettiest web site of any db.
20:01 jcamins         mtj: SQLite + DBIx!
20:01 mbalmer         oleonard, you are a hypocrite… ;)
20:02 jcamins         mbalmer: no, I think he was being serious. You'll be the first (outside of the people involved) to know when a decision is made to jettison support for existing Koha libraries.
20:03 drojf           popcorn. get your popcorn here. mypopcorn and postgrespopcorn, your choice
20:03 * drojf         hides
20:03 jcamins         rambutan: the only thing I know about Firebird is that they had already claimed the name that Firefox wanted.
20:03 jcamins         drojf: which has caramel?
20:03 oleonard        jcamins: And since then, nothing
20:03 drojf           jcamins: you need caramelpopcorn then. it's not popcorn agnostic
20:04 jcamins         drojf: awww.
20:04 jcamins         Kettle corn?
20:04 drojf           jcamins: but it has nice extra features! :)
20:05 rambutan        Firebird used to have a really cool green-themed website. It's not as cool now, but still good. wahanui was right for once.
20:06 rambutan        Firebird is, of course, the now much more developed and open sourced Borland Pro database from many years ago.
20:07 chris_n         [off] I wonder if paul has considered that there are people who know exactly how to fix his problems for hire?
20:07 chris_n         [off] he seems to be among those who think free is without cost
20:07 drojf           [off] where would be the fun in that?
20:08 chris_n         [off] he does not exactly seem to be having fun at this point in the game :-)
20:09 jcamins         mtj: did you PBP-friendify C4::Auth?
20:10 mbalmer         jcamins, I hope one day the switch to PostgreSQL will happen. I am serious about this. ;)
20:10 jcamins         mbalmer: and I hope one day that we will be able to support multiple databases.
20:11 oleonard        mbalmer: Step 1: Make Koha db-agnostic. Step 2: Wait for everyone to realize how great Postgres is. Step 3: Gloat.
20:14 mbalmer         I see it a bit different, obviously.
20:16 jcamins         I have an authority for "Smith" -- no first name.
20:17 jcamins         Apparently "Smith" is male, and has been active for sixty-some years.
20:17 cait            mr smith from the matrix maybe?
20:18 jcamins         cait: hehe.
20:22 mtj             the obvious point to me is, koha can only switch to postgres *after* it becomes db-agnostic
20:22 jcamins         mtj: did you enable warnings in C4::Auth?
20:24 mtj             hmm, cant remember :/
20:25 mtj             yeah, i did
20:26 jcamins         If you log in as the database user, your logs get absolutely massacred.
20:27 jcamins         Problematic, if your goal is to spot legitimate errors.
20:27 oleonard        Bug 6679
20:27 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P1 - high, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
20:28 jcamins         Yeah, that's why I blamed mtj immediately.
20:29 mtj             a simple a follow-up patch would fix that tho
20:30 mtj             'use warning' introduces 2 new warns?
20:30 mtj             tools-home.pl: Use of uninitialized value $sessiontype in string eq at /home/mason/git/head/C4/Auth.pm line 705.,
20:30 mtj             tools-home.pl: Argument "kohaadmin" isn't numeric in bitwise and (&) at /home/mason/git/head/C4/Auth.pm line 1500.,
20:31 jcamins         Yup.
20:31 mtj             or are there more warns?
20:31 jcamins         I fixed 'em both.
20:31 jcamins         Those two.
20:31 mtj             kaizen++
20:31 jcamins         They were necessary in order to solve bug 8818
20:31 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8818 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Authority linker error on Z cataloging
20:31 jcamins         No.
20:31 jcamins         Bug 88somethingelse
20:31 huginn`         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=88 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Can't log out if using basic authentication
20:32 jcamins         Hehe.
20:32 * gmcharlt      kicks huginn
20:32 mtj             new bootstrapped koha-dash -> http://dash.kohaaloha.com
20:33 oleonard        mtj++
20:33 gmcharlt        @quote random
20:33 huginn          gmcharlt: Quote #136: "<sekjal> MARC. Must. Die!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:18 PM, May 26, 2011)
20:33 * oleonard      waves goodbye
20:34 the_zombie_MARC I'm still kicking!
20:34 rambutan        a changeling is among us
20:35 druthb          @quote random
20:35 huginn          druthb: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009)
20:35 druthb          *snrk*
20:36 druthb          @quote random
20:36 huginn          druthb: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009)
20:36 jcamins         Bug 8829
20:36 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't import authorities
20:50 bag             @seen sekjal
20:50 huginn          bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 53 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: * sekjal waves
20:55 jcamins         talljoy: confirmed that bug 8829 is 3.8.x-only.
20:55 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , can't import authorities
20:56 talljoy         ok
20:56 jcamins         No, not that one.
20:56 jcamins         Bug 8823
20:56 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record  ($9 RLIN)
20:56 jcamins         That one.
20:57 jcamins         Oddly, there are no changes in the relevant code.
20:58 jcamins         Oooh. Wait. I think I see the problem.
21:18 wajasu          libsysguy: I'm pasting a beginning effort to validate some of the DBIx schema.
21:18 pastebot        "wajasu" at pasted "in order to enable DBIx schema testing, I took a stab at Test::DBIx::Schema (need to findout why #3 fails)" (194 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/199
21:18 libsysguy       looking wajasu
21:19 libsysguy       what was the tag test?
21:20 libsysguy       test 3
21:20 wajasu          hold on
21:22 pastebot        "wajasu" at pasted "line 75 of test #3" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/200
21:23 wajasu          self->{moniker}   probably resolves to   Tag
21:23 libsysguy       yeah
21:23 libsysguy       so it looks like since this was generated with Schema
21:23 libsysguy       you need something that includes Result
21:25 wajasu          they are trying to test if the ResultSet::Tag   isa   Schema::Tag    let me see if i  need something more.  i have an idea
21:31 wajasu          no, its not something in my $schematests->methods  that i need    ( ithough i needed resultsets)   but its something else having to do with the matching
21:33 wajasu          They are probably just testing that  Koha::Schema::Result::Tag   isa  Koha::Schema::Tag
21:34 libsysguy       yeah but I don't think they are the same are they?
21:35 wajasu          i'd have to look into what  "like" does i guess.
21:42 jcamins         talljoy: I posted a patch, and fixed a related bug that you would've run into after the this one.
21:43 talljoy         ok
21:43 jcamins         Well- might have run into.
21:47 jcamins         Oh my.
21:47 jcamins         Our next door neighbors are planning a playdate with someone passing by on the street.
21:48 jcamins         "So what, you say"?
21:48 jcamins         We're on the fourth floor.
21:49 drojf           jcamins: so they talk silently on their phones to coordinate it? :)
21:49 jcamins         drojf: at 3 and 5, I don't think they're allowed to have phones.
21:51 drojf           jcamins: really? how do they use facebook then?
21:51 jcamins         lol
21:52 jcamins         I'm not sure. I didn't ask.
22:19 eythian         @later tell tcohen that's what the dput command does
22:19 huginn          eythian: The operation succeeded.
22:33 mtj             jcamins?
22:33 wahanui         rumour has it jcamins is either blind sided with arrogance for me even to bring up this inquiry as if he has seen this before or he can not be bothered, and an embarrasement to my software comunity
22:34 jcamins         lol
22:34 mtj             i couldnt resist
22:35 mtj             … and soo true!
22:37 jcamins         mtj?
22:37 wahanui         somebody said mtj was a danger to bots everywhere.
22:37 jcamins         That was remarkably difficult to teach wahanui. He kept on getting confused.
23:25 bag             mtj?
23:25 wahanui         well, mtj is a danger to bots everywhere.
23:25 bag             oh no!!!  that's lousy…  I love the crazy nuts one… booo to whomever changed that one
23:29 eythian         what was the nuts one?
23:36 eythian         wahanui: literal mtj
23:36 wahanui         eythian: mtj =is= a danger to bots everywhere.
23:36 eythian         no wahanui, mtj is a danger to bots everywhere.|DeM KraZy NutZ!!
23:36 wahanui         okay, eythian.
23:36 eythian         bag: there you go
23:36 bag             mtj?
23:36 wahanui         mtj is DeM KraZy NutZ!!
23:37 bag             YAY!!!!
23:38 * eythian       needs to fix the 'also' command one day
23:38 bag             :)
23:46 eythian         hello papa
23:47 eythian         bye wahanui
23:47 eythian         hello wahanui
23:47 papa            hello. You've gone international
23:47 eythian         papa: in which sense, specifically?
23:48 eythian         wahanui: papa is <reply>'r' is a vowel
23:48 wahanui         ...but papa is who you wnat to talk to about it...
23:48 papa            well, you said hallo on an international channel
23:48 eythian         no, wahanui, papa is <reply>'r' is a vowel
23:48 wahanui         okay, eythian.
23:48 eythian         wahanui: papa is also <reply> ifs are bad
23:48 wahanui         okay, eythian.
23:48 eythian         wahanui: literal papa
23:48 wahanui         eythian: papa =is= <reply>'r' is a vowel|<reply> ifs are bad
23:48 eythian         there we go, been meaning to make that fix for ages
23:49 cjh             papa?
23:49 wahanui         'r' is a vowel
23:49 papa            maybe you should try talking to humans more?
23:49 eythian         papa: why start now?
23:49 papa            umm, maybe you'll like it?
23:50 papa            so what is wahanui supposed to do?
23:51 eythian         wahanui: wahanui
23:51 wahanui         it has been said that i am a bot
23:51 papa            seriously?
23:52 eythian         would a computer lie to you?
23:52 papa            nope
23:52 eythian         wahanui: status
23:52 wahanui         Since Wed Sep 26 23:44:47 2012, there have been 2 modifications and 3 questions.  I have been awake for 5 minutes, 3 seconds this session, and currently reference 21873 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
23:53 papa            like kc bug tracking?
23:54 eythian         I think huginn does that
23:59 eythian         wahanui: slashdot
23:59 wahanui         Slashdot - Updated 2012-09-26 23:48:00 | Torvalds Uses Profanity To Lambaste Romney Remarks | GNOME 3.6 Released | DNC Salute to Vets Featured Backdrop Of Russian Warships | Google Brazil Exec "Detained" For Refusing YouTube Takedown Order