Time Nick Message
00:00 eythian Waylon_AFK: they'll be around the whole day I'd think
00:03 mtompset @wunder MNL
00:03 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 27.0°C (7:00 AM PHT on September 24, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
01:21 Waylon-android woot, at Lianz exhibitors halk, met Chris
01:22 Waylon-android mibbit not refreshing cant see anyone talking...
01:24 Waylon now can... different browser
03:56 Waylon_AFK back
03:56 Waylon Ah, got asked to leave. about 2... took this long to get back.
03:57 eythian oh, you need to be registered to be in the exhibition area?
03:57 Waylon yes eythian ... i think i need to get a bike sooner than later.
03:57 eythian :)
03:58 Waylon ah... Im thinking yes.. though this was after the signal for the next series of talks.
03:58 Waylon so... it was much easier to spot the non-conferencees.
03:58 eythian yeah, it would be
03:58 Waylon which was .. probably just me... though i did spot a palmerston north library person.. and i don't think they had a delegate card either.
03:59 Waylon she left sorta about hte same time I did.
03:59 Waylon she... drove past me.
04:00 * Waylon knows annoyance, hobbling along using a umbrella as walking stick, when people just drive on by, from same venue.. ah well.
04:01 eythian probably assume that if you're walking it's because you're not going far.
04:03 Waylon heh. guess so. so yea... koha.. with 3 catalyst, but many koha library people, hmm... however, there was two or three booths of siridynix based people. Palmerston north, national library, and siridynix booths.
04:04 Waylon This is funny, the thomsonreuters booth person, he helped his brother install koha for a library. hehe. fantastic.
04:08 Waylon i understand the conference organizers position though. costs delegates $800 nzd (i think chris told me) for all 3 days... so to have someone just walk in and view the exhibition hall... something that isn't done.
04:10 eythian yeah, it's really expensive
04:11 eythian well, the booths are about advertising chances for sponsors, so the more people that see it, the more exposure it gets. So I would have thought they'd be OK with people seeing that part of it.
04:12 Waylon had to get home anyway, the person did me a favor basically... took me ages to get back. Not something id do again with my workload.
04:14 Waylon woot.. got 2 flashdrives from a booth... 128 mb.... Wonder if i could get a bootable koha system on it.
04:14 Waylon Text based bootable koha...
04:14 eythian probably
04:15 Waylon maybe even a mini-Xorg prehaps.
04:15 eythian it'd be tight
04:16 Waylon yeah... im thinking, alot of the koha stuff can be squashfs'ed rather well.
04:16 Waylon being all text ... perl libs etc.
04:19 * Waylon idly wonders if koha would work on a rasberry pi.
04:19 * ibeardslee recalls something mentioned about someone trying that
04:19 Waylon $60 koha appliances for small libraries / demo box.
04:19 ibeardslee http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_a_Raspberry_Pi
04:19 Waylon oh wow cool.
04:22 eythian oh yeah, Mirko was doing that
04:29 Waylon jcamins_away, chris brought up the idea, of linked list of branches. Branches having children/parents. Say, a local branch could be part of a library, which in turn could be part of a bigger library, which in turn could be part of a consortium. of libraries. And each level being searchable across that level.
04:46 eythian the SirsiD HOLDS table has a field call "NO_HOLDS_BARRED"
04:47 cjh heh
04:54 Waylon haha.. brilliant.
04:54 Waylon Them fighting words..
05:11 Waylon trying to think of an appropiate koha response.
05:13 * eythian starts to make packages
05:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#kohails Good marketing: Advertise your hosted Koha OPAC @ yourlibrary.your domain name URL not the hosting vendor's domain name."
05:32 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#kohails 3.8.5 released http://t.co/eSDVvXLM OPAC & s/interface available in these languages:Chinese(95%)Danish(99%)French(99%)German(100%)"
05:40 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#kohails 3.8.5 OPAC & s/interface available in these languages:Greek(94%) Italian(100%) Norwegian(62%) Portuguese/Brazil(99%) Spanish (100%)"
05:57 eythian oh bother. I don't have a copy of my non-expired secret key with which to sign the packages.
05:57 eythian It'll have to wait until I can get it from home.
06:01 eythian curious that enigmail has been happily letting me sign things.
06:01 eythian evolution rather
06:04 cait evening eythian
06:04 eythian hiya
06:04 cait shouldn't you be home? :)
06:04 eythian it's only 6pm :)
06:07 mtompset You aren't home at 6pm?
06:07 eythian not usually, no
06:08 mtompset Sounds like you keep flex hours. ;)
06:08 eythian @later tell rangi beware editing the debian changelogs, the version numbers have to be exact, and it's prone to causing conflicts
06:08 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
06:08 eythian mtompset: yeah, I do. It's handy
06:10 mtompset you aren't set up at home to remotely access the information you need? ;)
06:11 eythian I can, but I'm not a fan of working from home.
06:11 eythian I prefer to keep the spaces separate where I can.
06:11 mtompset No, I mean access your home information from work.
06:12 mtompset I understand wanting to keep spaces separate.
06:12 eythian oh, no. It's not something I really need to be able to do.
06:12 eythian (in most cases)
06:12 eythian so I turn my home computer off when I leave.
06:13 mtompset Hmm... where did I see someone mentioning pending suggestions showing, but clicking it brings up nothing?
06:14 eythian filter by branch
06:15 eythian there's a bug for it somewhere
06:15 Waylon eepp
06:15 Waylon thats kinda one thing i really need.
06:15 Waylon ohhh
06:15 Waylon pending suggestions.. not catalog.
06:15 Waylon nevermind.
06:15 eythian it works, it's just a bit broken
06:16 eythian Bug 7300 <-- exhibit A
06:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , display suggestions from librarian library only by default
06:16 eythian Bug 8274 <-- Exhibit B
06:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8274 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , count of suggestions on main page wrong
06:21 Waylon eythian, what do you think of chris's linked list branches idea?
06:22 eythian I dunno, there is/was a branch groups feature. Can a list give us things that we couldn't get by using this?
06:22 eythian but, I haven't thought about it really
06:24 Waylon well.. branch groups would only give one level of branch grouping?
06:24 Waylon or did it support nested groups?
06:25 eythian I doubt it had nesting
06:25 eythian but what are the use cases for wanting multiple levels
06:26 eythian it sounds nice, but I can't see a use for it.
06:29 Waylon library consortiums
06:29 Waylon all using the same koha server install.
06:29 Waylon a for instance...
06:30 Waylon palmerston north public library now belongs to a consortium, with national library.
06:30 Waylon and othes.
06:30 Waylon palmerston north library has local branches.
06:30 eythian hmm, I see
06:30 eythian possibly a good case, yeah
06:30 Waylon so thats central branch of the palmerston north library, of the national library consortium.
06:30 eythian it'd be hard to do without overcomplicating an already complicated UI
06:31 Waylon ah.. bad example thou.. they using dynix.
06:31 Waylon no holds barred...
06:31 Waylon hmm... really must find a response.
06:34 mtompset Okay, those bug reports are a little helpful.
06:34 mtompset But I have two records in the suggestions table, and I know what they are, but I don't know why they aren't showing.
06:35 marcelr morning #koha
06:35 cait morning marcelr
06:35 marcelr :)
06:35 mtompset Greetings, marcelr
06:35 marcelr hi
06:35 wahanui salut, marcelr
06:35 cait :)
06:35 mtompset Greetings, cait. :)
06:35 drojf good morning #koha
06:36 cait ok, have to get ready for work - will be back in a bit :)
06:36 mtompset greetings, drojf
06:36 marcelr hi drojf
06:36 cait morning drojf :)
06:36 drojf hiya mtompset, marcelr and cait
06:36 eythian mtompset: I've only seen it as the result of the filtering
06:37 mtompset It says filter by clear.
06:37 mtompset Going to see if there are error log entries.
06:38 alex_a hello world !
06:38 drojf hi alex_a
06:38 mtompset bonjour tout le monde? ;)
06:38 mtompset (sorry if I mangled the french)
06:38 alex_a bonjour tout seul mtompset
06:38 mtompset Greetings, alex_a
06:39 alex_a mtompset: perfect !
06:43 reiveune hello
06:43 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
06:43 marcelr hi reiveune
06:43 reiveune salut marcelr :)
06:44 eythian I really need to add some kind of cache to debian/update-control...it's soooo slow
06:56 francharb good morning #koha
06:56 matts hi !
06:57 julian_m hello
06:59 mveron Good morning #koha
07:00 * eythian finally starts 3.8.5 building
07:01 eythian some bad people out there who add dependencies without adding them to the appropriate file.
07:06 gaetan_B hello
07:11 mtompset okay this is weird... I added a suggestion, all three suggestions list. I delete my suggestion that I added. All suggestions disappear.
07:11 mbalmer hello
07:14 eythian mtompset: that is weird
07:16 mveron Hi mbalmer and hi everybody
07:21 mtompset Okay, weirder... I go to home, click on the pending suggestions, and even my added one isn't listed anymore.
07:21 eythian ah right, I could see that happening
07:21 eythian OK, packages built, but no non-expired key to sign them with. So tomorrow I'll deploy them.
07:22 mtompset can you give a rough etd?
07:22 eythian mtompset: tomorrow
07:22 wahanui i guess tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today.
07:22 Waylon tuesday?
07:22 wahanui tuesday is good too
07:22 Waylon hehe
07:22 eythian probably before noon tomorrow.
07:22 eythian NZST that is
07:23 eythian mtompset: if you want to help, bug 8806 ;)
07:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates
07:25 mtompset Okay, so that before 8am Manila time. ;)
07:25 eythian most likely :)
07:28 drojf eythian: how would one test that? apply patch, build package and try to install?
07:29 eythian drojf: yeah
07:29 eythian realistically, only the build should be able to fail
07:29 eythian anyway, time for me to go
07:30 mtompset By the way, I'm pretty sure a patched install_misc/debian.packages file should have the same lib contents as the control file, right? So perhaps you may wish to look at bug 8784 which I posted.
07:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8784 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Missing files in debian.packages list
07:30 eythian mtompset: have a look at debian/update-control (or debian/list-deps)
07:30 eythian I think you are likely to be right
07:30 eythian also debian/control.in
07:31 * eythian makes like a tree and gets out of hair
07:31 drojf seems like the sd card of my development pi is really broken, so much for testing anything :(
07:32 mtompset broken? how?
07:33 mtompset BTW, debian/list-deps is a perl pre-cursor to my check_deps.sh script which is in the release-tools repository, eythian .
07:33 drojf i wanted to try building the 3.8.5 package yesterday and at some point it only said "segmentation fault". it does not boot anymore, i am able to open it in a card reader and copy stuff though so i don't really know what is going on
07:33 mtompset Oh that sucks big time.
07:33 drojf at least i got the git stuff copied
07:34 * mtompset nods.
07:34 mtompset Saves an hour or three there. :)
07:36 drojf yes. but i somehow hoped it would just repair itself over night ;)
07:39 mtompset I think there is some magically awesome bits that are required to boot, before grub. Perhaps those got toasted.
07:39 mtompset did you try another SD card yet?
07:40 drojf yes the pi is fine. glad i made a new card with fresh debian and koha stable before so i can still play with it ;)
07:40 drojf changing the boot stuff is the first thing i will try
07:41 mtj hi #koha
07:41 drojf hi mtj
07:42 mtj halcyonCorsair, i spotted this recently -> http://www.slideshare.net/dagolden/cooking-perlwithchefpresentationfinal
07:43 mtj … all very relevant to koha
07:53 Waylon drojf, what about using squashfs on the pi?
07:54 * Waylon has a few 128 mb flash sticks... wondering if i can fit a working bootable koha on it.
07:54 Waylon for pc's
07:54 Waylon ah...
07:54 Waylon nevermind/
07:54 Waylon ...
07:55 Waylon welcome back drojf ?
08:12 kf hi #koha
08:42 mtompset Greetings, kf_afk. ;)
08:42 mtompset 128MB?! Are you mad?!
08:54 mtj Waylon, 128 is too small for Koha
09:17 jcamins 4:40 is much to early to get up.
09:22 Waylon even squashfs'ed mtj, mtompset ?
09:22 mtompset I did it this morning, then after a couple hours of productivity, I went back to sleep. :)
09:23 mtompset Oh, this is disk space, not memory... never mind, Waylon.
09:24 mtompset a du -h on /usr/share/koha for 3.8.4 package install is 377M.
09:24 mtompset I don't think you can get it to work on 128M, unless you have compression on the fly.
09:25 mtj … which is what squashfs is, afaik
09:26 Waylon yes.
09:26 Waylon its what openwrt uses
09:26 mtompset I don't think on the fly compression is going to be that good.
09:26 Waylon And i run openwrt on my asteriskbox/router.
09:27 mtompset Because you'll also need the linux installed too.
09:27 Waylon right.
09:27 Waylon well.. sounds like a challenge.
09:27 ibeardslee but if you mount parts of the tree on other systems then you can probably do it
09:28 Waylon eh, I do have TWO 128mb flashdrives.
09:28 mtj Waylon, if you are looking for a decent pet project for Koha… -> Carton support
09:28 Waylon Carton support?
09:28 ibeardslee .. network shares .. on other servers/PCs/workstations etc
09:28 mtj bug 8807
09:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8807 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add Carton support to Koha
09:29 mtompset ibeardslee: I was thinking he was going to get everything contained on 128MB, OS and Koha and Data.
09:29 Waylon yea. I am thinking that.
09:30 Waylon but i do have two 128 sticks, so will try that before pruning the default perl install.
09:30 ibeardslee that'd be interesting project
09:30 mtj …why not a simple beowulf cluster of 128mb unionfs openwrt boxes, in the cloud?
09:31 Waylon hahah
09:31 mtompset If you find that you can fit the /usr/share/koha tree on 128MB, and the OS on 128, then it may be possible, if you mount your data elsewhere.
09:31 Waylon .. why would koha need 128mb by itself?
09:31 mtompset I told you that I did a du -h on /usr/share/koha.
09:31 mtompset I got 377M.
09:32 Waylon this including git?
09:32 mtompset no.
09:32 Waylon hmm..
09:32 mtompset If you can fit that tree on 128MB squashfs, then it may be possible over two sticks plus a data source.
09:35 Waylon wow.... alot of javascript source.
09:35 Waylon prog/en/js .. 3.7M of javascript
09:36 mtompset oh right... I forgot languages.
09:37 Waylon ccsr costs 1.5M
09:37 Waylon opac-tmpl/lib costs 5M
09:38 Waylon installer alone plus mysql datafiles... 69 M
09:38 mtompset Okay... my mistake make that roughly 300MB without a second language.
09:41 Waylon exclude t, exclude migration_tools/22_to_30
09:42 Waylon exclude misc/translator/
09:43 kf_afk you wan exclude the po files
09:43 mtj include a zebra database
09:43 kf_afk but if you want more languages you will have to readd them I think
09:43 mtompset You can probably exclude the lib/yui files, but make sure your setting is to use it externally.
09:44 kf_afk hmnot sure that's recommended it might cause problems
09:44 Waylon ...... all the excludes end up with 41M left of usage
09:45 mtj include 103mb of perl modules
09:45 mtompset A 256 squashfs might be able to do it. ;)
09:45 mtompset But that's for only the installed koha parts.
09:45 Waylon yeah.
09:46 Waylon maybe even a 128 mb. its pushing it though. no room for graphical interface or anything. server on a stick.
09:46 Waylon Sounds like a fun project though.
09:46 mtompset I think this is where you'd want to try DSL.
09:46 * Waylon nods.
09:46 jcamins Waylon: it seems to me there are more useful projects you could find.
09:47 mtompset http://damnsmalllinux.org/
09:48 mtj jcamins++
09:49 Waylon yes jcamins, I know. Like my current port koha 3.0 mods to koha master, then backport... which.. ah.. isn't so fun.
09:50 Waylon oh btw, todays summary of karma.
09:50 Waylon catalystit++
09:51 Waylon rangi++
09:51 Waylon siridynix?
09:51 Waylon hrm.
09:51 Waylon ah
09:51 Waylon sirsidynix?
09:51 Waylon hmm.. how to describe..
09:53 Waylon haha.. brilliant... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SirsiDynix "SirsiDynix claims to be a global leader in providing "technology solutions" to libraries" someone put "claims" in there.
09:55 mtj aah, so thats where LL pinched their 'global leader' blurb from
09:55 Waylon huh?
09:56 Waylon LL sabotaged sirsidynix wiki entry?
09:58 mtj no, LL had a similar 'global leader in bla bla…' blurb on their website
09:58 Waylon ahh
09:59 Waylon oooo
09:59 Waylon a user named "Mean as custard" changed IS to Claims to be.
09:59 Waylon haha
10:00 Waylon calling it a "clarification"
10:00 Waylon hmm.
10:00 Waylon http://wikileaks.org/wiki/SirsiDynix_Corp_restricted_lobby_paper_against_Open_Source_technologies%2C_Sep_2009
10:03 mtj but seriously.. is Graphics::Magick.pm currently impossible to install ?
10:03 Waylon hrm? think i installed the deb..
10:04 mtompset Under what OS?
10:04 mtj its always been difficult, but now its no longer on CPAN?!
10:04 jcamins mtj: It has serious issues, yes.
10:04 Waylon debian squeeze
10:04 wahanui debian squeeze is recommended for koha?
10:04 mtj under *any* OS
10:04 Waylon libgraphics-magick-perl
10:04 Waylon is installed
10:04 mtompset Actually, it's the reason we need to use the gd-xpm version. ;)
10:05 mtj ah ok, i missed the package on debian
10:06 mtompset bug 8784
10:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8784 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Missing files in debian.packages list
10:07 jcamins mtompset: why on earth would we want to use the xpm version?
10:07 mtj so, perlmagick.pm is now the offical way to access GM -> http://www.graphicsmagick.org/perl.html
10:08 mtj … not graphicsmagick.pm ?
10:08 mtompset There's something about graphics-magick that triggered a swap from the noxpm version.
10:08 mtompset at least last time I looked at it.
10:08 mtompset under ubuntu.
10:08 jcamins mtompset: yes, you had installed X.
10:09 jcamins Changing the dependency is not a good idea, though.
10:09 jcamins Most of us don't want to install X on our servers.
10:09 mtompset I know that.
10:09 mtompset Just saying that pieces of it happen.
10:10 mtj … if you install it on a box with X
10:21 kf_afk chef-koha? :)
10:21 kf_afk oh... i hoped it was about recipes
10:22 jcamins Hehe.
10:22 jcamins It is, just not food recipes.
10:22 kf_afk hmm
10:22 kf_afk can you explain?
10:23 jcamins Chef uses "recipes" for configuring software automatically.
10:23 jcamins :)
10:24 kf_afk hm
10:24 mtompset http://www.slideshare.net/dagolden/cooking-perlwithchefpresentationfinal (mtj posted this earlier)
10:25 mtj … now there is a worthy koha installation project, folks
10:27 mtompset yes, but it requires familiarity with each of the pieces talked about.
10:28 mtj mtompset, does not everything?
10:28 mtompset sadly, yes.
10:37 jcamins mtompset: BTW, regarding the Ubuntu installation document on the wiki, it instructs people to install the packages, and then pick up again at running Makefile.PL, which is a little confusing.
10:38 mtompset Yes, I've gotten distracted.
10:38 mtompset I'll be cleaning that up... actually splitting it.
10:52 drojf how would i move my git stuff to a different computer? just copy over the koha folder including the .git folder?
10:54 Barrc morning all - does there exist a command line borrower import utility? I see plenty of request for one and RFCs but I can't seem to locate one!
10:59 Waylon jcamins, regards to my multibranch system, does the syspref: multibranch disable/enable assigning multiple branches to a patron.: make sense?
11:00 mtj Barrc, ask the catalyst-nz people - they have one, i am sure
11:01 jcamins Waylon: that's not a good name for the syspref, but I can't think of a good one at the moment.
11:01 mtj eythian, or rangi may know the url ^^
11:01 Barrc mtj: Thanks - will do.
11:02 Waylon think i also need to include a syspref "Completely independant libraries" - Different branches are completely seperate, a user cannot search outside assigned branches.
11:02 Waylon makes sense?
11:02 kf_afk Waylon: that multibranch thing sounds like a lot of trouble
11:03 kf_afk Waylon: there are system preferences to make koha choose circ and return and reserve rules by patron home library
11:03 mtj http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=import;hb=refs/heads/import_branch
11:04 mtj http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=import/csv/rbnz/rbnz_borrowers.pl;h=b993da31f9e420ed645615dd5892873a64ca5f8e;hb=refs/heads/import_branch
11:04 mtj Barrc, import borrowers from csv file ^^
11:04 Waylon Yes, but it does not limit branches access to search results, its what the company i work for, uses.
11:05 Waylon turning branches into libraries basically. and if one has the branches, the ability to search across libraries.
11:05 Barrc mtj: Excellent, thanks for that. I may need to modify it slightly as it doesn't seem to match/ignore existing users! Thanks!
11:06 kf_afk Waylon: if the functionality is limited to searches, maybe have that reflected in the preference name
11:06 mtj Barrc, … and rememeber ask on the lists and irc - and save yourself a bunch of xtra effort
11:07 Barrc yeah, I was already spec'ing up the job to write from scratch - saves me a lot of time!
11:08 mtj catalyst prolly have a better version of that old script by now, at least
11:08 jcamins migration toolkit?
11:08 jcamins migration toolbox?
11:09 jcamins migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
11:09 jcamins migration toolkit is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
11:09 jcamins That might be of use.
11:09 mtj aah, there you go :)
11:09 Waylon kf_afk, hmm.... think it only affects searches. what other systems does a opac user use, across branches?
11:10 kf_afk circulation?
11:10 wahanui well, circulation is really much faster with that... But also display of biblios with many items......
11:10 kf_afk suggestion management maybe
11:10 Waylon hmm.. we personally don't use circ, nor suggestions system.
11:10 kf_afk yeah
11:11 kf_afk I was worried that your development will have unwanted side effects from the description
11:11 kf_afk if you add the ability to have more than one home library for a patron - this will surely explode
11:11 kf_afk if you add a different table, it could work
11:11 jcamins kf_afk: it couldn't be a home library.
11:11 Waylon ah, I use BorrowerExtendedAttributes
11:11 jcamins It would have to be something like "affiliated library."
11:11 kf_afk but I think it it's for search, mabe it shoudl not be branches but search properties defined in branchreleations and then a new field in the patron record for those.
11:12 kf_afk jcamins: yep :)
11:12 Barrc jcamins: That's great - thanks. Seems to be all I need!
11:14 Waylon kf_afk, whoa.. thats getting way complicated .. ah.... hmm. ill do syspref "Limit searches by available branches" - "Opac users can only search those branches that are available to them. This only affects searches."
11:15 kf_afk Waylon: sorry :)
11:15 Waylon sound okay?
11:15 kf_afk only pointing out there is already a way to group libraries for search :)
11:15 kf_afk so thought it could maybe work with this
11:15 Waylon ah? is there?
11:16 kf_afk yes, youcan group branches into search properties
11:16 kf_afk those will show up in the opac too
11:16 Waylon ah.. group branches.. but hmm...
11:17 Waylon what if the staff member creating the patron, wants to abitarily choose branches to limit them to?
11:17 kf_afk hm sounds like better do without the search group sthen
11:18 Waylon yeah. and i think i got the language right in the new syspref description?
11:18 kf_afk I think available branches would make me a bit confused
11:18 kf_afk what about
11:19 kf_afk limist/Don't limit searches to libraries (we avoid branches) configured in the patron record.
11:19 Waylon Well... available.. as in, if the entire koha install had branches A B C and D, but you were only given access to A and B, your available branches, are A and B
11:19 Waylon ahh.
11:19 kf_afk and maybe add OPAC in thee
11:20 kf_afk and ignore the typos of course...
11:20 kf_afk Limit/Don't limit OPAC searches of a logged in patron...
11:20 kf_afk what does happen if the user is not logged in?
11:21 Waylon hmm.. this syspref would most likely be used by a logged-in only opac.
11:21 Waylon if not a secure opac.. hmm.... maybe a default patron record?
11:22 Waylon like "guest" or somesuch.
11:22 kf_afk hm
11:22 * Waylon shrugs. "Did not think about that."
11:23 kf_afk you could limit the functionality to private opacs maybe
11:23 kf_afk just make all searchable if the opac is not hidden?
11:23 Waylon yes, it wouldn't make sense otherwise.
11:23 kf_afk would be easier than using an anonymous patron maybe
11:24 Waylon Limit/Don't limit OPAC searches of a logged in patron to libraries configured in the patron record, provided that the opac is configured for secure.
11:25 Waylon "the opac is configured for secure" sounds abit wrong? needs rewording?
11:28 jcamins "... if OpacPublic is disabled."
11:29 Waylon yeah! hmm.. now for a short name.
11:29 Waylon for code purposes... eeek.
11:30 Waylon branchsearchlimit?
11:31 jcamins Just make sure you are cooperating with SearchMyLibraryFirst.
11:31 Waylon hmm?
11:31 Waylon which does?
11:32 jcamins I'm saying your code needs to.
11:32 Waylon I mean, what does SearchMyLibraryFirst do?
11:34 Waylon branchlimitsearch (hmm?) doesn't change the order of results, just limits them .. like a "limit by"
11:35 jcamins It doesn't have anything to do with sorting results.
11:35 jcamins It limits searches to the logged-in user's library by default.
11:36 * kf_afk nods
11:37 kf_afk Waylon: sorry - we are not trying to make this hard for you - but it has to integrate into existing featuers to make its way in
11:37 Waylon right.
11:39 Waylon limits searches to the home library by default, but allows for the selection of other libraries if needed?
11:40 jcamins I believe so.
11:40 jcamins I don't entirely recall at this point.
11:42 Waylon hmm.. as one of the features of mandumah is a library selection page (via checkboxes) at login, which i probably won't submit to koha community (who would want that feature?), id probably not touch that mechanic anyway.
11:43 jcamins Waylon: I am certain you will be touching the code involved.
11:43 Waylon id just commit the syspref changes, the borrowerextendedattribute changes and the search code changes... the interface changes... most likely all mandumah specific.
11:44 jcamins Waylon: the "search changes" will involve the exact same part of code that SearchMyLibraryFirst is involved in.
11:47 Waylon wait... the language used in the syspref, it sounds like its exactly what I want?
11:48 Waylon Limit/Don't limit patrons' searches to the library they are registered at.
11:48 jcamins Waylon: except you're doing something with multiple branches.
11:48 Waylon Yes.
11:48 jcamins That's why I'm saying you want to make sure that your changes don't conflict with that.
11:49 Waylon if SearchMyLibraryFirst is on, ignore multibranch?
11:49 Waylon since it takes security precidence?
11:49 jcamins Or make SearchMyLibraryFirst understand multibranch.
11:50 Waylon hmm.. its used in only Auth and opac-user
11:54 Waylon wooo massive netburp
11:55 Waylon hmm.. its used in only Auth and opac-user, and inserts the branch limit into masthead.inc's opac search...
11:55 kf_afk oleonard++
11:55 Waylon did i miss something?
11:56 kf_afk that woudl make sense
11:56 kf_afk it changed the default setting of the masthead's opac search
11:57 Waylon it doesn't actually sanitise it, seems like one could add additional branches by adding limit_cgi themselves.
11:57 jcamins I have *got* to stop doing that.
11:57 Waylon doing what?
11:57 jcamins I keep on going "oh no, where's my new feature?!?!?!?" and getting very frustrated.
11:58 jcamins Then I remember that I forgot to disable it.
11:58 Waylon hmm?
11:58 jcamins *EN*able it
11:58 kf_afk lol
11:58 jcamins Fourth time today.
11:58 * kf_afk hands jcamins a cookie and reassures him all his nice features are fine and alive
11:58 * Waylon is keeping a bugzilla on his dev machine, for devel planning / notes.]
12:00 Waylon so yeah, seems like the limit isn't actually enforced in opac-search.pl
12:02 Waylon one could add multiple branches into multiple &limit's, and get more than their home branch.
12:02 jcamins Waylon: hence "first" ;)
12:05 Waylon unless OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown is turned on, in which case, other branches wouldn't appear... [% IF ( mylibraryfirst ) %] (in [% mylibraryfirst %] only)[% END %] is enacted.... but not actually enforced.
12:06 jcamins Right, it's available only through the advanced search due to the way Apache handles environment variables.
12:06 * jcamins gets ready to head into the city.
12:07 Waylon hmm?
12:10 Waylon okay, time to stop work, relax then bed.
12:13 kf_afk sleep well
12:26 jcamins_away mtj: 36k lines? Surely there's a better way to do that?
12:27 mtj hopefully.. yes!
12:27 jcamins_away Maybe a "generate carton" script?
12:28 mtj jcamins_away++ yeah, a very nice idea
12:28 jcamins_away Updating that by hand looks not reasonable.
12:28 jcamins_away (and as RM presumptive for 3.12, I'd be the one doing it :P)
12:29 mtj im hoping to get some discussion about the tool, so i send an initial patch… for discussion :)
12:29 jcamins_away wajasu likes it.
12:30 mtj but yeah… that .lock file could be autogened, from a script, at install time
12:31 jcamins_away That's the ticket!
12:32 jcamins_away Surely you didn't just write all that by hand. Just copy your history into a script, and attach that too. :)
12:36 mtj no, not written by hand - and yes, i'll attach the build steps too
13:08 mtj jcamins_away, install steps added to bug, ftw
13:22 jcamins mtj++
13:27 mtompset number?
13:27 wahanui number is right
13:27 mtompset wahanui: forget number
13:27 wahanui mtompset: I forgot number
13:28 * mtompset waves bye.
13:31 * Guest8029 waves
13:32 * jcamins waves back.
13:32 jcamins I came across a recipe that I thought "ooh, wizzyrea would love this," but now I can't remember what it was.
13:32 wizzyrea :)
13:32 wizzyrea it will come to you
13:33 * druthb waves to wizzyrea.
13:33 wizzyrea sup peeps
13:34 oleonard Hi wizz and jc
13:34 * jcamins waves to oleonard.
13:35 nengard I'm trying to document bug 7993 but I'm not sure how to add a subgroup .. I put some in the authorized value but they don't show when adding a report ? can someone who tested this (or who understands this) point me in the right direction?
13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies
13:36 nengard speaking of recipes ? I'm gonna try this later this week (once the ingredients arrive): http://www.skinnytaste.com/2012/09/skinny-pumpkin-overnight-oats-in-jar.html
13:36 nengard YUM!
13:37 mveron oleonard++ (For signing off Bug 8810 tha fast! )
13:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
13:38 * oleonard likes an easy signoff to distract him from other work
13:39 nengard :)
13:43 nengard figured bug 7993 out .. now to figure out how to make that clear to people reading the manual
13:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies
13:44 * oleonard looks forward to learning how that works
13:55 samuel hi to all
13:55 samuel could someone explain to me this message "ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/*mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) "
13:56 jcamins samuel: it means MySQL is not running, most likely.
13:57 jcamins Or you have the path wrong.
13:57 jcamins Probably the wrong path.
13:57 jcamins I don't know what that "*" would be doing there.
14:04 drojf in what path would i find the actual mysql data used by my koha installation?
14:05 jcamins drojf: uh-oh
14:05 gmcharlt drojf: /var/lib/mysql (most commonly)
14:06 jcamins /var/lib/mysql/[database]/* + /var/lib/mysql/ibdata*
14:06 jcamins First has table definitions, second has data, I think.
14:06 drojf ah yes there we are. thanks a lot gmcharlt and jcamins
14:07 * drojf is putting together bits and pieces of his development pi
14:07 jcamins Easiest is to restore *all* MySQL databases at once when recovering from ibdata, I think.
14:07 gmcharlt jcamins: (depends - if you have innodb_file_per_table set, /var/lib/mysql/database/* also has the data)
14:08 jcamins gmcharlt: ah, true.
14:08 drojf i'll try to just copy the whole /var folder over from the broken installation to the backup i restored i guess.
14:10 drojf either it will explode or not ;)
14:10 mveron oleonard: If you like to get the score point on the dshboard you should switch status Bug 8810 to signed off :-)
14:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
14:11 * oleonard forgets when git-bz is doing everything else for him
14:11 mveron :-)
14:11 jcamins oleonard: that's why I hacked git-bz to do it for me.
14:11 jcamins jcamins' git-bz?
14:11 * drojf considers stealing the point just for the fun of it :P
14:11 mveron drojf: As I did wit one of your points a couple of weeks ago...
14:11 jcamins jcamins' git-bz is https://github.com/jcamins/git-bz
14:12 oleonard How does it work jcamins?
14:12 * mveron should put his glasses...
14:12 drojf mveron: exactly ;)
14:13 jcamins oleonard: exactly the same as the regular one, except you uncomment the new status you want to set.
14:13 mveron ddrojf: But I gave you the chance to get an other point back :-)
14:13 jcamins The only problem is that if you uncomment an illegal status, it gets very grouchy and you have to repeat the command.
14:14 oleonard "illegal?"
14:14 drojf mveron: yes, also we did not know then that you would get the point for that :)
14:14 jcamins oleonard: if you try to move from "Needs Signoff" to "Passed QA" or "Pushed to Master" to "Needs Signoff."
14:14 jcamins That sort of thing.
14:14 oleonard Clever.
14:15 nengard uh oh! my favorite reports feature doesn't work anymore
14:15 nengard bug 8811
14:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8811 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't run report after saving
14:17 drojf i guess i will have to limp to the library to renew my books before restoring my koha git. damn short loan period
14:19 jcamins nengard: are you sure the link ever got into Koha?
14:19 jcamins I remember testing it, but never actually saw it outside my test branch.
14:19 nengard it's there in 3.8.4
14:20 jcamins Oh.
14:20 jcamins Huh.
14:20 jcamins Guess this would be because I rarely create new reports.
14:20 nengard added an image from 3.8.4
14:21 nengard all I do is create reports :)
14:27 kf_afk nengard: do you have permission to run the reports?
14:27 nengard i'm superlibrarian
14:27 kf_afk I think creating and running are different
14:27 kf_afk maybe try adding the perm for a test?
14:28 * oleonard agrees that nengard is
14:30 oleonard I don't even remember seeing that button before
14:32 wajasu libsysguy: did you see my comment about using $ENV{'DBIC_DONT_VALIDATE_RELS'} = 1; to squelch the the DBIx validation warning?
14:32 oleonard nengard: The link doesn't appear because [% id %] is not present in the template, and the button doesn't work because [% id %] isn't present in the template
14:33 oleonard the edit button won't work either for the same reason
14:33 nengard so it's a template bug?
14:33 nengard can you fix it? if so I'll sign off immediately :)
14:33 nengard both button and link used to work
14:33 nengard and have been there for a while :)
14:33 * oleonard is checking
14:35 oleonard nengard: Are you in master?
14:35 nengard ues
14:35 nengard or
14:35 nengard yes
14:37 * oleonard blames Bug 7993
14:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies
14:38 nengard oleonard yes, that's what I'm documenting
14:38 nengard that's where i found the problem
14:39 nengard figured if it was a small template fix though it just needed a new bug report instead of messing with the bigger dev/feature
14:40 oleonard No, not a template bug as far as I can tell. Something changed which used to pass the report ID to the template after saving a new report (work with editing a report)
14:41 kf_afk uhoh.
14:41 oleonard Oh wait, maybe I spoke too soon
14:45 nengard about which?
14:49 oleonard Figured it out
14:49 oleonard The part of the script which passes the report name and id was summarily dropped.
14:49 oleonard Was it considered superfluous? I don't know.
14:51 oleonard No, it's bug introduced by changes to the script
14:51 nengard meh
14:51 * oleonard fixes
14:51 nengard oooo :)(
14:51 nengard that was :)
14:51 nengard can't type today
14:56 libsysguy wajasu: sorry I was AFK
14:56 oleonard patch sent
14:56 oleonard jcamins++ # for the git-bz tweak
14:56 libsysguy yeah I saw it, I was trying to decide how to proceed
14:58 libsysguy wajasu: if that went in would it merit a sign-off?
14:58 libsysguy ;)
14:58 jcamins oleonard: I suppose I should also add a "take this bug" option to git-bz.
14:59 oleonard Yes, and have it give my coffee a warm-up too
15:02 nengard oleonard++
15:04 libsysguy anybody seen bug 8798 yet?
15:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , Add the use of DBIx::Class
15:04 libsysguy it needs a sign-offer from a good friend :p
15:05 * jcamins has played with it.
15:05 libsysguy didn't you have some issues jcamins?
15:05 libsysguy i mean other than the normal ones :p
15:05 jcamins libsysguy: I did, yes.
15:06 libsysguy did you get them worked out? or are they still pending
15:06 * jcamins hasn't decided yet what the proper response is.
15:06 * libsysguy is concerned you're waiting to pounce with a fail flag :p
15:06 jcamins lol
15:07 reiveune bye
15:07 libsysguy he always does that
15:08 jcamins I think we need to have some kind of buffer against CPANed DBIx::Class screwing things up, since that's not going to be an uncommon issue for anyone who decided to try using Solr.
15:08 kf_afk jcamins: so are you pro or contra dbx:class is probably the question ;)
15:08 kf_afk oh
15:08 jcamins kf_afk: pro DBIx::Class.
15:08 jcamins Very strongly.
15:08 kf_afk is it only on cpan?
15:09 jcamins kf_afk: no, it's in packages.
15:09 jcamins The version in packages works great.
15:09 jcamins The last version from CPAN works great.
15:09 jcamins The version that was in CPAN when the Solr code was added to Koha does not work.
15:10 libsysguy so basically it works as long as you're not tinkering with solr
15:10 libsysguy if you are, you're going to have to fix your packages
15:11 jcamins libsysguy: it works as long as you *weren't* tinkering with Solr.
15:11 kf_afk ah
15:11 libsysguy right
15:11 kf_afk so in solr the version is hardcoded soewhere?
15:11 jcamins You can play with it all you want now.
15:11 jcamins Nope.
15:11 kf_afk or it won't work with the newer?
15:11 libsysguy thats what I meant, I just didn't say it well
15:11 wajasu libsysguy: yes. i'd signoff
15:11 kf_afk or what I am missing here?
15:11 jcamins kf_afk: the problem is that developers who tried Solr right when it was added to Koha will encounter an error that won't be encountered by anyone else.
15:11 libsysguy ok i think i have completed my bribe of wajasu :p
15:11 libsysguy jk wajasyu
15:12 libsysguy wajasu**
15:12 jcamins kf_afk: so I'd like to find some way of warning people who may have installed DBIx::Class from CPAN while it was unstable that they need to just switch to packages.
15:13 jcamins Actually, no, it wasn't even DBIx::Class that was the problem.
15:13 jcamins It was Scalar::Utils.
15:13 jcamins I think.
15:13 kf_afk ok, still confused
15:13 wahanui somebody said confused was "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
15:13 kf_afk but I am sure you know what you are talking about :)
15:16 kf_afk bye all :)
15:17 libsysguy ok wajasu its updated
15:17 wajasu ok. testing...
15:17 wahanui i think testing is fun! or easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:21 oleonard Nice try anyway wahanui
15:22 libsysguy wahanui sounds like rangi's puppet :p
15:22 wahanui libsysguy: huh?
15:39 nengard you asked for an example in comment 2 but i'm not seeing one in a reply ? unless i'm missing it
15:40 jcamins nengard: I did get the example, because I wasn't able to figure it out initially.
15:40 jcamins Probably via IRC.
15:40 nengard right
15:40 nengard that's what I think
15:40 jcamins Let me see if I have that syspref still set.
15:41 jcamins I do not.
15:41 nengard hmmm
15:42 nengard okay
15:42 nengard I'll reply on the bug
15:42 jcamins I think it was 100a, etc.
15:42 jcamins But, not at all sure.
15:43 libsysguy jcamins, wajasu I just tested updating column definitions with the update script while preserving edited relationships and it works like a charm
15:43 wajasu sweet.
15:51 wajasu libsysguy: looking at what has been and may ever be installed on squeeze: https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/libdbix-class-schema-loader-perl/+publishinghistory
15:54 wajasu the fact that you probably did a cpan install, will that burn us later 7000-1( squeeze) vs 7025-1(wheezy), vs 7003(cpan) with a catch-22?
15:55 wajasu if folks develop by pulling from cpan, will that never get packaged for squeeze?
15:56 jcamins libsysguy: oh, you're not using the version from Debian?
15:56 libsysguy when I did this install I had to go fetch from packages
15:57 libsysguy this box *should* be free of all cpam
15:57 wajasu i suspect folks will be on squeeze for some time. OR would there be a wheezy requirement by the time this stuff rolls out?
15:57 * jcamins had it work absolutely fine on the Debian version.
15:57 libsysguy in fact I know I haven't run any cpan installs on this box, all my cpan work is on my catalyst box
15:59 wajasu my test environment is official squeeze debian package pull (7000). that link above only shows 7000-1 for squeeze. how do you have 7033?
16:00 wajasu the test passes on my new fresh VM (with koha-perl-deps.pl reporting installed version (0.07000) and reqd version (0.07033)
16:01 libsysguy oh I know what happened
16:01 libsysguy instead of doing an apt-cache search I did a cpan search online
16:02 libsysguy apt-cache show libdbix-class-schema-loader-perl — Version: 0.07000-1
16:03 wajasu so what is the correct solution? you dropping the version reqd?
16:03 libsysguy yeah
16:03 wajasu ok. i'll wait for the patch update.
16:04 libsysguy done
16:04 wajasu ok
16:08 wajasu libsysguy: did you mean to obsolete the prior Added... ?
16:09 libsysguy shoot, yes I did
16:09 libsysguy I can do that in the ticket
16:10 wajasu or i can obsolete it when i upload the signoff patch.
16:10 libsysguy its ok, I got it
16:10 libsysguy sorry about that
16:10 libsysguy sometimes its easy to miss that commented out bit
16:11 santy hi all! I'm trying to install koha-latest on centos 6.3 i386. I am following centos 6.2 i386 guide available on koha's wiki. Right now I'm stuck. I get Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC error when trying to perl Makefile.PL. Have searched, there seem to be various possible reasons or related dependencies (yaz, libyaz, libyaz-devel , and others) but none of them have worked yet.
16:11 jcamins santy: you probably need to install the Perl libraries for Net::Z3950.
16:13 santy jcamins: do you mean this: yum -y install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl?
16:13 jcamins santy: that sounds reasonable.
16:14 santy i get No package libnet-z3950-zoom-perl available
16:14 jcamins santy: I haven't used CentOS and don't plan on trying it. So I can't comment on what packages you need.
16:15 jcamins What you need are the Perl modules for Net::Z3950::*
16:15 jcamins You could probably try CPANing them.
16:15 gaetan_B bye
16:15 jcamins cpan Net::Z3950::ZOOM
16:15 jcamins (that will pull all the required ones in)
16:16 jcamins (well, it would on Debian, provided you installed the C dependencies)
16:25 martian523 Good morning!
16:26 martian523 I have a question from last week
16:27 rambutan @seen jcamins
16:27 huginn rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 10 minutes and 18 seconds ago: <jcamins> (well, it would on Debian, provided you installed the C dependencies)
16:27 rambutan ping jcamins
16:27 oleonard rambutan: Why don't you just ask him the question rambutan?
16:28 rambutan might could
16:28 * jcamins waves
16:31 martian523 I'm using 3.8.3, when trying to add an "Item Type" in Basic Parameters, according to the manual, there should be a field for renewable. However, this "Renewable" field is not there when i'm trying to add item.
16:32 martian523 and again, i should mention that i'm not IT
16:32 oleonard martian523: According to which manual?
16:33 martian523 the koha manual
16:33 martian523 http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/basicparams.html#itemtypeadmin
16:33 oleonard Which Koha manual? What's the link?
16:34 oleonard I believe that is an error martian523
16:34 martian523 what is the error?
16:34 oleonard You can set the number of renewals for an item type in Circulation and Fine rules
16:35 martian523 ok...now my next question
16:35 oleonard That line, "Enter the total number of renewals allowed for the item type in the 'Renewals' box" should be removed from the manual (attn: nengard )
16:35 martian523 i did the circulation and fine rules for all my other item types
16:35 nengard k
16:36 martian523 but last week, we came across an item that does not allow any renewals, i set that up, and it seems like it can still let me renew
16:37 oleonard martian523: Could it be getting overridden by a more-specific rule somewhere? Library-specific or patron-specific or something like that?
16:38 martian523 well, my original settings is patron specific, all types, renewal allowed 1 time
16:38 martian523 so that all types override that specific type?
16:38 oleonard Do you have a default rule set up?
16:39 oleonard all patrons/all types/all libraries?
16:41 halcyonCorsair mtj: I'll check it out
16:41 martian523 patron specific/all types/library specific. ie. Alumni, all items, my library, renewals allowed (1)
16:43 martian523 so when I tried to set, all patrons/new book type/renewals allowed (0), it gets override?
16:43 oleonard martian523: I don't know if it's related to your issue, but it is recommended that you start with a default rule set up for all patrons/all types/all libraries.
16:46 halcyonCorsair mtj: that might make life a fair bit easier
16:56 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I need some git help - how do I push my changes - what is this trying to say?" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/195
16:58 jcamins nengard: you amended a commit to the manual, most likely.
16:59 nengard I did not type --amend in any commands ? so how did I do that without knowing?
16:59 nengard and how do I undo it?
16:59 jcamins Either that or you need to merge your new changes.
16:59 jcamins Or you're on the wrong branch.
16:59 jcamins That last just occurred to me.
17:00 jcamins I have no idea how you got a non-fastforward change, but I think probably you could merge the remote branch in, resolve any conflict, and continue on your merry way.
17:08 nengard jcamins what's the command to merge?
17:09 jcamins nengard: git merge. You'll have to experiment -- I'd recommend doing it in a new branch -- to figure out how exactly to resolve the problem.
17:26 jcamins Goodness. A married illustrator duo: Lois and Louis.
17:27 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "c'est quoi cet updatedatabase de la mort ?? #kohails #3.09.00.056"
17:38 jcamins Is jsicot saying that AuthHierarchy doesn't work for him anymore, or that it's like a zombie risen from the grave?
17:39 wizzyrea the updatedatabase of death?
17:39 jcamins wizzyrea: that's what I got from it, too.
17:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "@jsicot C'est aussi/surtout parce qu'il apporte le support des mobiles. rapetisser fenêtre pour voir le resultat sur grand écran #kohails"
17:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "tiens le thème de la communauté Koha-CCSR (http://t.co/tlo0lMhX) a été poussé dans la communautaire #kohails"
18:05 santy hi, have been trying to cpan and compile Net::Z3950::ZOOM v 1.28,1.26,1.25, using both yaz 3.0.49-1.el6, and 4.2.33-2.el6, but keep getting t/15-scan.t and t/25-scan.t errors when making test. And there aren't any package with z3950 as part of their name for centos. Can anyone give me a hint?
18:06 jcamins santy: it will have something to do with yaz, most likely.
18:07 santy why?
18:07 jcamins Because Net::Z3950::ZOOM uses yaz libraries.
18:07 jcamins And if it were missing something core, surely you'd have more errors.
18:08 jcamins (i.e. dependency must exist, just not be working right)
18:09 jcamins You could try skipping the tests, but I would like to point out again that I have no direct experience using CentOS. I am merely telling you what I *do* know, because you're going to have enough trouble without my sharing my non-CentOS knowledge.
18:10 jcamins *not sharing
18:10 santy ok, you mean just make installing and praying?
18:10 jcamins Right.
18:11 jcamins I'm not saying it's a good idea.
18:11 jcamins I'm saying, maybe later on you'll encounter something that explains the error so you can go back and fix it.
18:11 santy so shall it be then
18:12 santy centos comes with yaz 3.0.49-1 package... should I go for it or use yaz 4.2 from fedora? wht would you do?
18:13 nengard_lunch someone hacked the wiki homepage - i fixed it and blocked them - but it looks like we're getting spammed with people signing up again: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
18:16 jcamins santy: I have yaz 4.0.11.
18:17 oleonard nengard: I had a friend ask me for help with a sudden deluge of comment spam. I wonder if there's a new bot on the market that defeats CAPTCHAs which were previously useful?
18:17 jcamins santy: https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=77861 <-- looks like someone else had this problem.
18:18 jcamins santy: it looks like Andi Sugandi eventually got Koha installed on CentOS 6.2.
18:19 jcamins Based on my e-mail archives, I think he had trouble with almost every single step.
18:19 jcamins santy: e-mail says 4.2 and do a force install.
18:20 santy lol... thanks for the link... well, I tried version 1.28,1.26,1.25,1.24, they all yielded a lot of errors
18:20 santy ok, will keep yaz 4.2 and force the install
18:31 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "bon, par contre, le format de date du jquery calendar est tjs à l'américaine… #kohails"
18:32 * jcamins tried tweeting at him to ask if he had encountered a problem with AuthDisplayHierarchies.
18:33 jcamins I'm not sure it worked, and not sure that I understood what he said anyway.
18:33 wizzyrea that guy seems irritated.
18:33 wizzyrea maybe it's a cultural thing.
18:36 jcamins Or a language thing.
18:37 oleonard I met him in Marseille, he's not a troll.
18:40 * oleonard denies the allegation that the jquery calendar is always in US format
18:40 oleonard ...but if there's an exception I'd like to know about it.
18:40 nengard can somoene tell me how to checkout the manual3.8.x branch?
18:41 nengard I deleted mine cause it was borked
18:41 nengard but don't have notes on how to pull it down again apparently
18:41 jcamins git checkout -b manual3.8.x origin/manual3.8.x?
18:41 jcamins Substituting the appropriate names in the appropriate places.
18:41 jcamins It's no different from checkout out a branch when working on Koha.
18:42 nengard jcamins I've never done that :)
18:42 nengard but thanks now I can do it on manual and Koha :)
18:42 jcamins nengard: you must, otherwise you wouldn't be able to test things. You probably just call it something else.
18:43 nengard I create branches, but don't pull branches down
18:43 nengard I create a new branch and then apply the patch to that branch
18:43 nengard not quite the same as what I'm doing here
18:44 jcamins Uhh, yes it is.
18:44 jcamins A branch is a branch is a branch.
18:45 santy jcamins: how essential is this... perl translate install zh-Hans-TW
18:45 jcamins santy: uhhh... do you want Chinese?
18:45 jcamins If not, entirely unnecessary.
18:45 santy can I brute force install it, too?
18:45 santy ah ok
18:45 santy great
18:45 jcamins You don't need to do that at all.
18:46 santy it's just on the howto with no explanation, so I figured it could be something important
18:47 jcamins Nope. Apparently CentOS is popular in Chinese-speaking areas. :)
19:04 mtj nengard, theres a synced backup on github too, fyi -> https://github.com/Koha-Community/KohaDocs
19:17 halcyonCorsair mtj: i'm keen on any feedback you have on the chef-koha stuff in terms of specific use cases, etc
19:19 mtj halcyonCorsair, yep - will do
19:27 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Editing Frameworks in Koha 3.4 http://t.co/fIDXMQks"
19:32 rangi On shitty WiFi can someone fix the wiki front page
19:32 jcamins rangi: nengard said she did.
19:32 * rangi is gone again
19:32 rangi Ta
19:33 nengard is it broken again?
19:34 jcamins nengard: doesn't look like it, no.
19:34 nengard whew
19:34 jcamins Though I might be looking at a cached copy, I guess.
19:43 mtj i wonder if newer versions of mediawiki have better anti-spam systems
20:32 * oleonard whispers "Goodbye" to all the sleeping #kohaers
20:32 * jcamins isn't sleeping.
20:32 * jcamins is battling a serial.
20:33 * jcamins is losing.
20:33 * mveron just 'fixed' Bug 8796
20:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8796 major, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , patron cards not starting on designated card
20:33 * mbalmer is listening to new zztop :P
20:56 * libsysguy whistles while integrating DBIx::Class::InflateColumn
20:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #855 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #853 3 days 10 hr ago)
20:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5356 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ccb53477aea06ae1e8865cf81be962578437c16> / Bug 5356: Followup: remove useless code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d323a60e20880590c3cb0a96eb3c07a67f0cdf7> / Bug 5356: Followup: Add basket billing and delivery place on export pdf (layout3pages) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
21:12 martian523 Hi, as I was entering a barcode for my item, the barcode number became a skype number for some reason. is there a way to fix that?
21:13 jcamins martian523: no, that's a problem with your browser.
21:13 martian523 o really?
21:13 martian523 but just that particular number, all the others are fine
21:14 rangi yes, its your browser doing autocomplete
21:14 rangi koha has utterly no idea what your skype numbers are:)
21:15 rangi in fact Koha hates skype for the proprietary annoying thing that it is
21:15 rangi (well it would if it was a human)
21:16 libsysguy anybody on used DBIx::Class?
21:16 libsysguy I can't for the life of me figure out how to do an or instead of an and
21:17 libsysguy in a where clause*
21:21 wajasu you get to be the first :) keep notes for the wiki for other folks later if you can.
21:22 * wajasu have to head out to get brake light switch so car will move out of park
21:34 libsysguy ah ha! i figured it out
21:36 * jcamins decides to call it a day, since appparently his wife got home about six hours earlier than expected.
21:36 jcamins Good night, #koha.
21:44 pastebot "libsysguy" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Where with OR" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/196
21:44 libsysguy there is how to do an or statement with DBIx::Class
22:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #855: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/855/
22:03 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5356: delivery place and billing place centralised in basket management
22:03 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5356: Followup: Add basket billing and delivery place on export pdf (layout3pages)
22:03 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5356: Followup: remove useless code
22:03 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5356 follow-up DBRev number
22:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5356 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Shipping billing address improvements
22:07 mveron Good night #koha
22:08 mveron quit
22:12 wajasu libsysguy: that was just what i was thinking ;)
22:13 eythian hi
22:13 wajasu hi
22:13 wahanui hey, wajasu
22:15 wajasu ut oh
22:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
22:16 wajasu mtompset: remember the koha_perl_deps.pl enhancement to generate a cpanfile?
22:16 mtompset vaguely.
22:17 wajasu did you have any outstanding opinion. i wonder if i should submit that as an enhancement? or did you see anything wrong with it.
22:19 wajasu maybe i'll just submit it and see what the fallout/ideas come about.
22:19 mtompset Well, if I recall, the only thing I thought was strange was the way you handled the flag.
22:19 wajasu because i was dependent on the other flags?
22:19 mtompset -m -u -a -i ... those are the core flags.
22:20 mtompset your tweak added -g? as a core flag, but it behaved otherwise.
22:20 mtompset It's a good idea. I just didn't like the implementation.
22:21 wajasu i get you now. it should be an ooptional. ok. will revise.
22:22 mtompset right... so -m -g and -i -g and -u -g and -a -g would all make sense but produce different output.
22:22 mtompset and I think -g doesn't make sense in combination with a -b, does it?
22:23 wajasu thats what i intended. i was trying to see if there is value in allowing those combos. instead of just (-a -g)
22:23 wajasu you are right -b -g is not useful.
22:24 mtompset So you might need to add some sanity check on the flags.
22:24 wajasu ok. i'll do that then.
22:24 mtj wajasu, i can think of some nice other uses for your tweak too
22:25 wajasu as it is or do you want me to add more logic?
22:25 mtj … generating a cpanfile based on your installed modules, not the required modules
22:26 wajasu that's new functionality right? that would pretty much cover all bases.
22:26 mtj ie: generate both on a deb-stable box, and diff the errors, etc
22:27 wajasu gotcha.
22:27 mtj afaik, the feature doesnt exist... yet
22:29 wajasu i have been having succes with cpanm -L local . and then i do du -s -h local to see how many megabytes of usage.
22:29 mtj ^^ its the nicest way yet, to spot those errors
22:30 wajasu carton has and issue with matching ExtUtils::MakeMaker version, and i like the carton show and carton tree commands, but with the "issue" carton check seems to bail.
22:31 wajasu but just with cpanm its all worht it.
22:31 mtj yeah, i spotted some cartons glitches too, ( i didnt know if it was just me, or not)
22:32 mtj cpanm and carton play pretty nice together (same author)
22:34 mtj wajasu, hmm, i was going to QA a bug for you some days ago… what was it?
22:35 wajasu somethin i signed off on for someone?
22:37 wajasu maybe 8702 for fridolyn
22:41 wajasu or libsysguy's 8798 (i just signed off on that). or 8780 (thats easy, mtopset's)
22:42 wajasu my main bug that i worked on was 8378, but that is pushed to master
22:42 * wajasu i've got to go help a friend replace a brake light switch. fun fun fun.
22:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #185 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:09 * mtompset sings, "Hi ho! Hi ho! Let's split the big, great wall."
23:17 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone! Just popping on to ask a really hard question
23:19 YoungPublicLibrarian Question is: How would one create a report that displayed the itype BOOK separated into Fiction and Non-Fiction?
23:20 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: do you have that data in the record somewhere?
23:20 jcamins_away (note: I'm really not here)
23:20 jcamins_away (you can tell by the way I'm not responding:P)
23:21 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, okay. Well, I'm not actually sure....is there a way I could look?
23:21 jcamins_away I have no idea. You'd have to ask your catalogers if there is any indication.
23:21 jcamins_away There's a chance you have literary form set for fiction.
23:22 jcamins_away But then again you might not.
23:22 jcamins_away Depends on how strict your cataloging policies have been over the last fifty years.
23:22 YoungPublicLibrarian Hm...the call number differs for NF and F, but I don't know if that has anything to do with what I'm wanting to do...
23:24 jcamins_away If that works for you, there's a report on the wiki that should do it.
23:25 jcamins_away Anyone around who could test something for me?
23:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Which report would that be? I looked, but I have been looking at the screen all day...may have missed it. lol
23:26 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: something about items in a call number range.
23:26 mtj jcamins_away, me perhaps?
23:26 jcamins_away mtj: does the CCSR theme load YUI properly?
23:26 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah, yes...no I remember. I tried that one but it gave so many results that my director went cross eyed...
23:27 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: of course it did.
23:27 jcamins_away You're going to have scads.
23:27 * jcamins_away leaves again to eat dinner.
23:27 jcamins_away mtj: could you highlight me with your answer so I see it later?
23:28 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, yeah...so now I'm working on finding something simpler...thanks for the help though.
23:28 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: you're going to have a ton of results.
23:28 mtj jcamins_away, yep - it does :)
23:29 jcamins_away mtj: it does load YUI properly? Good.
23:29 mtj [off] http://head.kohaaloha.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=the
23:30 jcamins_away Hrm.
23:30 jcamins_away Thanks.
23:30 YoungPublicLibrarian Thanks Jcamins, I'll keep working on it.
23:30 * jcamins_away really leaves.
23:32 mtj left side facets are wonky tho
23:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #185: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/185/
23:36 jenkins_koha nengard: Bug 8721: Fixes minor typo in AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout
23:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8721 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , typo in AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout
23:38 jcamins_away mtj: yeah, YUI isn't loading.
23:38 jcamins_away I could swear I patched that, too.
23:41 jcamins_away Oh well. I'll repatch it.
23:45 * eythian uploads 3.6 and 3.8 packages
23:46 eythian mtompset: packages update with 17 minutes to spare :)
23:46 eythian *updated
23:47 mtompset Hmmm... I see it.
23:47 mtompset But the package is kept back?
23:47 eythian yes
23:48 eythian it has new dependencies, so won't upgrade as part of a normal upgrade
23:48 eythian you have to explicitly upgrade it, or do a dist-upgrade
23:48 eythian I will be emailing to that effect soon.
23:55 * mtompset begins to upgrade his Q/A area.