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21:04 * wajasu nice day out. off to try to run around White Rock Lake.
21:01 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.8.5 Released http://t.co/vvDNU0Py"
20:50 ExtraordinaryBen Hopefully the cron job will actually do it's job now. ;)
20:49 ExtraordinaryBen Silly me, I just read that the other day. Ugh, Koha is still so new to me. Thanks for helping with this. It's working great now. :D
20:48 ExtraordinaryBen righto
20:47 jcamins ExtraordinaryBen: rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r
20:47 ExtraordinaryBen jcamins: I've executed "rebuild_zebra.pl" manually, is there something else I'm suppose to do?
20:46 jcamins ExtraordinaryBen: you have to rebuild since you used zebraqueue.
20:45 ExtraordinaryBen jcamins: Hmm, still getting that error... This is what my cron job looks like in /etc/cron.d/koha: */5 * * * * koha /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z &> /dev/null
20:43 drojf these are the numbers with plack of course, it is much slower without
20:41 drojf it was faster with master when i did it in july. should be more or less the same data now
20:40 pastebot "drojf" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Raspberry Pi with Wheezy Raspian @ 1000MHz running Koha 3.8.4" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/194
20:39 ExtraordinaryBen jcamins: alrighty, will do. ;)
20:38 wajasu how many bibs/sec?
20:38 drojf worked fine with plack though. but now i miss the last number to throw into gnuplot :(
20:37 jcamins drojf: shocker! :P
20:37 drojf oh. the staff client benchmark script sent the raspberry pi into a coma
20:36 jcamins ExtraordinaryBen: you should set up the cron job running as your own user, and use `sudo chown -R myuser:myuser /var/lib/koha`
20:35 wajasu libsysguy: i found a way to squelch the validation warning. in C4/Context.pm i put the use Koha::Schema back, and just before that line I put: $ENV{'DBIC_DONT_VALIDATE_RELS'} = 1; # once the DBIx schema has its schema adjusted we should remove this
20:35 ExtraordinaryBen Yeah, I've gotten that setup right. (to start up.) It's just the cron job for indexing that doesn't want to seem to work.
20:34 jcamins And setting up the cron job is easier.
20:34 jcamins (to start Zebra)
20:33 jcamins You want to use the koha-zebra-ctl.sh init script.
20:33 jcamins Interestingly, there was also a bug that caused this sort of problem in 3.8.2.
20:33 drojf that's our zebra!
20:33 ExtraordinaryBen lol, zebra has been nothing but trouble for me. :P Right then, I'll undo that then. ;)
20:32 jcamins You need to use either the cron jobs or the new background indexer.
20:32 jcamins You have set up something which has been deprecated for over three years.
20:32 drojf ExtraordinaryBen: for the record, the debian packages work with ubuntu 12.04 and make installation and maintenance nice and easy. now that you already have a running installation you would probably not want to switch though
20:32 jcamins You haven't encountered a bug.
20:32 jcamins ExtraordinaryBen: oh, zebraqueue daemon is your problem.
20:31 ExtraordinaryBen Yeah, I only recently got Zebra indexing working right. (I think. :P) I had been following the "Koha on Ubuntu" guide on the Wiki. I ended up finding "koha-zebraqueue-daemon" on my own, which the guide only mentioned how to remove, not setup. :P
20:27 ExtraordinaryBen I'm running Ubuntu 12.04.
20:27 jcamins If you're lucky, it could actually just be an indexing error, in which case you wouldn't *have* to reindex.
20:26 jcamins ExtraordinaryBen: also, reindex Zebra.
20:26 jcamins I'm pretty sure this is an error that we were seeing for a while.
20:26 drojf ExtraordinaryBen: out of curiosity, what operating system are you using?
20:25 ExtraordinaryBen Thanks, will do. ;)
20:25 jcamins Okay, so your best bet is to get the latest (3.8.5 was released this morning) and upgrade.
20:24 ExtraordinaryBen Hmm, it's possible. I had downloaded the "koha-lastest.tar.gz" back in July I think. We've had the system running for a month or two now
20:23 * jcamins crosses his fingers hopefully- packages are excellent.
20:23 jcamins ExtraordinaryBen: in that case, you downloaded 3.8.2 instead of 3.8.3 by accident. How did you install?
20:23 jcamins Anyway, this bug was fixed.
20:23 ExtraordinaryBen Upgrade? this is a brand new installation
20:22 jcamins Actually, I think you ran into issues with your upgrade, because you're on 3.8.2.
20:22 ExtraordinaryBen yup. ;)
20:22 jcamins I was close.
20:22 jcamins 3.8.3.
20:21 ExtraordinaryBen Forgot to mention. we're running 3.8.3
20:21 wahanui rumour has it 3.6.6 is rather more mature and stable. 3.8.2 has a lot of cool new features
20:21 jcamins Or 3.6.6?
20:21 jcamins ExtraordinaryBen: you're running... 3.8.2?
20:20 ExtraordinaryBen Any help on the matter would be appreciated. ;)
20:20 ExtraordinaryBen here's a link: http://74.85.46.58/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=exile&sort_by=title_az&biblionumber=40&biblionumber=50&biblionumber=51&biblionumber=115&biblionumber=116&biblionumber=141&loggedinuser=
20:20 ExtraordinaryBen Hello, I've got Koha setup for my library, it's working great and we're already getting books added to the catalog. One weird thing I noticed though is when I do a search and then try to list the results by title, author a-z, etc. I get and error message.
20:10 drojf rangi++
19:44 jcamins wajasu: that would break functionality.
19:43 wajasu libsysguy: i changed the cardnumber to be not nullable and ran prove t/Context.t no warning now and all tests pass. you might try that route.
19:43 libsysguy well perhaps that too :p
19:43 jcamins scamins is my mother. :P
19:43 libsysguy oops
19:42 jcamins sperkins, actually.
19:41 * libsysguy is probably sounding like scamins :p
19:41 libsysguy geez jcamins don't you ever clean house :p
19:41 jcamins Oh, never mind. Apparently I have a lot of extra modules that can be automatically uninstalled.
19:40 jcamins Apparently I'm missing a lot of Perl modules.
19:40 jcamins Whoah.
19:39 libsysguy most of them looking like "wtf man"
19:39 libsysguy heh
19:39 jcamins That's why rebasing the last patch in a series of five results in a half dozen new comments.
19:38 libsysguy well that seems...non-trivial
19:37 libsysguy ah
19:37 jcamins libsysguy: you have to obsolete the follow-up and re-upload it after the first.
19:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping version number for release
19:36 jenkins_koha * f.demians: 3.8.5 Translation Update
19:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #184: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/184/
19:36 libsysguy im not sure how to fix that on the bug
19:36 jcamins I can apply them in reverse.
19:36 jcamins Okay.
19:36 libsysguy i guess bz thought khall's should be first?
19:36 libsysguy indeed they are
19:35 jcamins libsysguy: patches are in the wrong order?
19:35 jcamins Ummm... huh?
19:35 jcamins git_aliases++
19:28 wajasu whoever can regen the schemaspy, it might be helpful for reference after the 3.10 so the DBIx tweaks for has_many and such can go quicker.
19:25 rangi yeah ill fix that in the webpage
19:24 jcamins wajasu: not sure. It's some weird double-encoding thing, because it shows up properly when I just open up the release notes.
19:22 wajasu how come we can't get Frederic's name to show wihtout mojibake? The release notes in utf8? cut-n-paste? wiki ?
19:18 wajasu pretty
19:18 jcamins :D
19:17 rangi beat that proprietary vendors
19:17 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "#kohails 3.8.5 released http://t.co/sN3VU4eH now off to man a stand at #lianza2012 come say hi, i'll give you a free ILS"
19:13 * wajasu applause
19:12 rangi and released
19:10 huginn cait-m: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on September 22, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
19:10 cait-m @wunder konstanz
19:05 wajasu the only reason, that my suggesttion might not be feasibly is i did the work using grails against koha. and i know what needs to be done.
19:05 libsysguy heh geez cait-m you're going to have to pick up the typing :p
19:04 cait-m too slow on the phone
19:04 cait-m i was going to say that - kaizen
19:04 wajasu ok. lets go your route. and if anyone steps up to do the work that I suggested, that can be a fallback strategy.
19:03 cait-m i
19:03 cait-m small changes
19:03 jcamins Kaizen.
19:03 jcamins It looks exactly like the old one because rewriting a data access layer is not a reasonable short-term project.
19:03 jcamins Indeed, we have that new data access layer now.
19:03 libsysguy and no action
19:03 libsysguy there was a lot of talk if I recall
19:03 jcamins wajasu: we tried that.
19:02 libsysguy that sounds like paul_p
19:02 cait-m :-)
19:01 wajasu it might be better, to gen the schema, tweak it as necessary, write tests for all the DB access, then push a new data access layer. its going to take months to do the patch-test-qa workflow we have here.
18:59 libsysguy small_patches++
18:59 libsysguy and then slowly push patches as necessary
18:59 libsysguy my position on this is I would like to get the foundation in
18:59 libsysguy im sure there will be several
18:59 wajasu libsysguy: i suspect, that after you fix/tweak the might_have/has_one releationship for the is_nullable, another error will pop up.
18:59 libsysguy nu uh
18:58 cait-m you never ever had leeks?
18:58 libsysguy he made shallow-fried Afghan vegetarian dumplings.
18:58 cait-m what did you make?
18:57 libsysguy uh oh
18:57 * libsysguy has never had deeks
18:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #184 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: FIXED)
18:57 * cait-m waves
18:57 jcamins Yeah, this used up the leeks and a potato.
18:57 libsysguy well that makes sense based on your facebook pics with the weekly vegetables
18:56 libsysguy hmm
18:56 jcamins Technically I steam my stirfries, in fact.
18:56 jcamins libsysguy: but I generally have a "no frying" policy.
18:55 libsysguy sweet rangi++ jcamins++
18:55 wajasu rangi++
18:55 jcamins libsysguy: they are *so* good.
18:55 libsysguy that doesn't sound appetizing
18:55 rangi 3.8.5 is tagged now too
18:55 libsysguy created a monster?
18:55 * jcamins just shallow-fried Afghan vegetarian dumplings.
18:55 jcamins What have I done?!?
18:54 libsysguy all it runs is use_ok
18:54 libsysguy yeah it complains
18:53 libsysguy let me check
18:53 libsysguy it should
18:51 wajasu when you do: prove t/Context.t do you see it sqwuak?
18:47 wajasu jcamins++
18:47 libsysguy you can thank jcamins for that
18:47 * wajasu git pull.. oh a new tag! v3.06.09 :)
18:46 libsysguy back
18:39 libsysguy just got done working in the yard, going to take a shower...bbiab
18:37 libsysguy kk
18:37 wajasu ok testing now. give me 5 minutes.
18:37 libsysguy ok the change should be pushed
18:34 wajasu i know. i want it in too.
18:34 libsysguy this is kind of a big deal :p
18:34 libsysguy probably an umbrella to encompass all DBIx::Class rollouts
18:33 wajasu then we can write tests, and put classes into service as needed. you might need an omnibus bug to track rollout of new classes.
18:32 wajasu great.
18:31 libsysguy then we can deal with the hosed database later
18:31 libsysguy that will kill the warnings when Koha::Schema isn't in use
18:31 libsysguy how about this, as a compromise I will change use Koha::Schema to require Koha::Schema
18:30 wajasu you will either have to change the DB to conform to the DBIx constraints, or edit the code. The schema gen can really only be a one time thing, and it can't deal with the lack of referential integrity contraints.
18:28 libsysguy mostly because it will get overwritten next time the rebuild script runs
18:27 libsysguy that is what the documentation says anyway
18:27 libsysguy *technically* you're not supposed to edit the class files with the table definitions
18:26 wajasu maybe if you comment out the unique constraint on cardnumber, and add a FIXME comment, the warning will go away.
18:23 wajasu then i can write tests to excercise the classes to work with the current schema.
18:22 jcamins Right.
18:22 wajasu sure. block it, or address it, and add a bug to deal with it in the future, so we know about it.
18:21 jcamins That said, even better would be blocking the warning.
18:21 wajasu its not really in this case, because once you check in the patch, the code gets executed everywhere, even "perl Makefile.PL" has that spitting out.
18:21 libsysguy wajasu, that is pretty much how it works. There is nothing that those classes can hurt
18:20 jcamins libsysguy: I would rather there be an annoying warning than that we modify the database schema.
18:20 libsysguy i think the warning is fine
18:20 wajasu if the allowed strategy is to let you checkin over 100 classes that MAY work (untested), then YES you al least need to tweak the cardnumber to get the "complaint" to go away.
18:19 jcamins libsysguy: the warning is acceptable.
18:18 libsysguy so only the one class file with the card number
18:16 wajasu i think you have to only checkin classes that work with the current schema. to pass QA that is.
18:15 libsysguy would you prefer for me to leave it, address the db issue in this patch, or adjust the class file to shut off the warning
18:14 libsysguy what you and jcamins_away are suggesting
18:13 wajasu about?
18:12 libsysguy im confused
18:11 libsysguy sorry, stepped away
18:03 jcamins_away Eventually we should, yes.
18:02 wajasu also, do you know if it is a preference for us to use DataTime everywhere? then some investigation into using that DataTime component is warranted.
18:01 jcamins_away Yes. A patch which reworks the database as a side effect is not really viable.
18:00 wajasu i think if we check in a few hundred files, they need to be operational, and match the quirks of the schema. then write bugs to address anomalies as they are found.
17:58 wajasu i see, you don't want to set things in stone yet.
17:57 libsysguy then we can update the class files with the re-gen script
17:57 libsysguy so that needs to be addressed on the db end first
17:57 libsysguy yeah
17:57 wajasu its because the cardnumber is a key and cardnumber is nullable.
17:56 libsysguy and I don't want to make changes to the class file and mess up a relationship
17:56 libsysguy no I didn't because it is an issue with the schema
17:55 wajasu i'm getting it with those latest patches.
17:55 wajasu its success, but didn't you fix that cardnumber error in one of your patches?
17:54 libsysguy the one about you having some kind of success
17:54 wajasu libsysguy: so i'm sure you saw my last comment on 8798
17:47 wajasu http://blog.2ndquadrant.com/the_rise_and_fall_of_centos/
17:45 wajasu ok
17:45 jcamins_away wajasu: no, the problem is getting Zebra working on CentOS.
17:40 wajasu santy: if you don't have a package, you can just grab the zebra source. untar/ungzip, then read the INSTALL, and using make, build/compile it. if you are restricted by .gov selections.
17:20 jcamins_away santy: without Zebra, there is no searching *at all*.
16:36 mtompset I was hoping this would just work. It isn't.
16:36 * mtompset grumbles, "I hate indexing."
16:14 santy thanks a lot to all, I'll let you know how it went, bye
16:14 santy ok, I will have than in mind as an argument
16:12 drojf i don't know what "modern version of zebra" means, but zebra is not only doing z39.50, zebra is doing all indexing (making your data searchable), so if it does not work at all, koha does not work
16:09 santy I must say I'm sorry, this thing has been clear for me since the beginning but my client is asking me for a justification because they are already paying for redhat support
15:59 santy ok, so, no Z39.50 server, at least without lots of problems
15:58 jcamins_away santy: I don't know. I just know that I haven't heard anyone say that they had it working, and a lot of people say that they were unable to get it working.
15:57 jcamins_away One or two people have managed with Fedora Core, but I think not CentOS.
15:57 santy so, Zebra does not work on any version of centos?
15:57 jcamins_away santy: I haven't had reports of anyone getting Koha working with a modern version of Zebra on CentOS.
15:54 drojf i don't think so. i suppose you either get everything to work ot nothing at all
15:53 santy what I am really needing right now are compelling arguments against installing koha on redhat, besides mantainability issues... is there any feature that does not work on redhat?
15:51 santy well if my client insists on redhat i'll write the howto, of course
15:51 drojf i don't know but in general centos is not the preferred platform for koha
15:49 santy and on 32bit?
15:48 drojf feel free to write a howto for the wiki if you do ;)
15:47 drojf my guess is no
15:45 santy hi allbody! has anyone tried to install 3.8 on centos 6.3 64bit with success?
15:23 mtompset Bye, #koha.
15:23 mtompset Well, long day tomorrow. I better sleep. Have a good day, cait. :)
15:09 cait hi mtompset
15:08 mtompset Belated greetings, cait.
14:42 cait hi #koha
14:27 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "Ah! :) RT @kohails: #kohails Koha 3.6.9 released http://t.co/cwci02Oq"
14:15 mtompset Poor logs reduced to meaningless drivel.
14:15 * mtompset wonders if there has ever been a free-for-all here. ;)
14:14 * wajasu takes a swipe at third parties
14:14 mtompset You're just jealous, because he didn't blame you. :P
14:13 drojf get a room you two
14:13 * wajasu nudges back
14:13 * mtompset pokes wajasu really hard.
14:13 mtompset It wouldn't ruin a set of tests like that.
14:12 mtompset Hey Hey!
14:11 wajasu jcamins_away++
14:11 drojf jcamins_away++
14:07 wajasu they probably tested mtompsets uninstall script ;)
14:05 mtompset Maybe someone messed the DB up?
14:03 wajasu hmm
13:51 jcamins_away But I thought 3.6.x had a separate DB.
13:51 jcamins_away Nope.
13:50 mtompset I don't think that's in 3.6.9, is it?
13:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT
13:50 mtompset how about we blame bug 5335? ;)
13:49 mtompset db_dependent_Acquisition test.
13:29 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
13:29 jcamins_away @later tell rangi Any idea why 3.6.x just went unstable? I ran all the tests before pushing, and they passed.
13:28 wahanui unstable is sid
13:28 jcamins_away UNSTABLE?!?
13:27 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Incrementing version number for 3.6.9 release
13:27 jenkins_koha * f.demians: 3.6.9 Translation Update
13:27 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Add release notes for Koha 3.6.9
13:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #59: UNSTABLE in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/59/
13:22 mtompset It's about half way through the force a reindex of records.
13:22 mtompset Wow... It's amazing to run on a real machine.
13:17 magnuse time to take the dogs for walkies - have fun #koha!
13:07 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.6.9 released http://t.co/Xp3NJ0CT"
12:59 mtompset Yes, congratulations on the release.
12:58 magnuse jcamins++
12:58 jcamins_away mtompset: probably, yes.
12:58 mtompset home page for Koha documentation is ...
12:57 mtompset As of Koha 3.2, the Koha manual is now maintained in DocBook. The
12:57 mtompset I was just wondering... we're at 3.8 now... do we need to reference 3.2 anymore?
12:55 jcamins_away Updated the website, sent the e-mail, tagged the repo, uploaded the tarball...
12:55 jcamins_away Did I miss anything?
12:53 jcamins_away If you spot any typos in the release notes, don't tell me.
12:53 jcamins_away Okay, 3.6.9 is released.
12:52 magnuse heh
12:52 jcamins_away I never announced 3.6.8.
12:52 jcamins_away magnuse: there might not be a globe.
12:51 magnuse brick?
12:51 magnuse hm, cant seem to find that?
12:50 jcamins_away magnuse: globe?
12:49 * magnuse wonders if any of the famfamfam silk icons will work for "thre dimantional objects"
12:43 jcamins_away And Zebra requires a daemon written in C.
12:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #59 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:42 jcamins_away Right.
12:41 mtompset Ah... it can't be fixed because of permission issues of installation?
12:41 jcamins_away (and still have a working installation)
12:41 jcamins_away But you know how many dependencies Koha has- how could you avoid installing them?
12:40 mtompset Should it be removed? Or should it be fixed?
12:40 jcamins_away No one has removed it.
12:40 mtompset Then why is it an option listed?
12:39 jcamins_away That doesn't actually work.
12:39 mtompset And there is the "site" install case that I'd need to test too.
12:39 jcamins_away If you are installing in dev mode, you can delete koha-dev manually.
12:38 jcamins_away Not with a script.
12:38 mtompset Wouldn't you want to below away you koha-dev dir?
12:36 jcamins_away You're right. One can do a standard install using git.
12:36 jcamins_away Not dev mode installs.
12:36 jcamins_away Excuse me. _Standard_ installs.
12:36 mtompset and git.
12:36 jcamins_away The uninstall script is needed for tarball installs (only).
12:35 jcamins_away Preparing a backup prior to removing is probably a good idea.
12:34 mtompset |Not to mention... koha-remove doesn't do a db dump.
12:34 jcamins_away That's not getting in either.
12:34 mtompset I don't end-run around. I check, and call it for a single instance case.
12:34 jcamins_away You use koha-remove to remove instances, and you uninstall the package.
12:33 jcamins_away mtompset: there is absolutely no way a script that does an end-run around the Debian package management system is getting in.
12:33 mtompset koha-remove doesn't do the apt-get remove call. ;)
12:32 jcamins_away There is already a way to uninstall Koha when it's installed via packages.
12:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script
12:32 mtompset bug 459
12:32 jcamins_away mtompset: what are you doing?
12:25 jcamins_away For real. :)
12:25 jcamins_away Yay for cake!
12:24 jcamins_away Hehe.
12:24 * magnuse wanders off briefly to eat some cake
12:24 magnuse not
12:24 magnuse woohoo for normarc!
12:23 jcamins_away Running make test for NORMARC.
12:23 jcamins_away There was no announcement.
12:23 jcamins_away mtompset: no idea.
12:22 mtompset Is 3.8.5 out now?
12:22 mtompset And 3.8.5 isn't listed.
12:22 mtompset Yes, but the dashboard still says 3.8.4
12:20 jcamins_away Installing UNIMARC now.
12:17 magnuse tsk tsk ;-)
12:14 jcamins_away magnuse: recently he's been forgetting to do announcements.
11:52 magnuse hm, only 9 minutes left of the 22nd in nz and no mail about 3.8.5? release notes in git, though http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_8_5.txt;h=e6d8631d19e3e4f015d4337248d1dabccf11e289;hb=057d899bdcc8a57b2af8a5ef25a7b056e6078e23
11:50 magnuse cool
11:48 jcamins_away magnuse: eythian does packages, rangi does the tarball.
11:47 magnuse who builds 3.8.x? eythian or rangi?
11:47 magnuse w00t!
11:45 * jcamins_away builds 3.6.9.
10:38 magnuse yay for lunch!
10:31 cait-m lunch :-)
10:30 cait-m with irc...
10:29 cait-m made me smile
10:28 cait-m to measurd it
10:28 cait-m there is a test abbreviated sifh irc...
10:28 cait-m presentation about intercultural compstence now
10:27 magnuse anything fun happening in dortmund?
10:25 huginn cait-m: The current temperature in Dortmund, Germany is 13.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on September 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
10:25 cait-m @wunder dortmund
10:24 huginn cait-m: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on September 22, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
10:24 cait-m @wunder konstanz
10:22 cait-m hmm user error
10:21 cait-m_ at least i have it back :-)
10:19 magnuse gah
10:19 cait-m_ now have to reconfigure
10:18 cait-m_ i had to sent my old one in for repair and it got replaced
10:18 cait-m_ yeah
10:17 wahanui mtompset: I forgot perhaps
10:17 mtompset wahanui: forget perhaps
10:17 wahanui perhaps is a configuration problem
10:17 mtompset perhaps.
10:17 magnuse ohnoes
10:17 cait-m_ mobile running out if battery maybe
10:17 cait-m_ sitting in a room
10:17 cait-m_ hm no
10:16 mtompset train internet flakey?
10:16 mtompset cait-m_?
10:12 * mtompset grins.
10:12 wahanui i think cait-m is on a train :-)
10:12 mtompset cait-m?
10:12 mtompset This humidity kills me.
10:11 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Loyola Heights, Quezon City, Philippines is 28.2°C (5:56 PM PHT on September 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
10:11 mtompset @wunder MNL
10:11 huginn mtompset: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
10:11 mtompset @wonder MNL
10:10 cait-m :-) thx
10:10 mtompset Yes, cheers for cait-m!
10:10 * mtompset nods.
10:10 cait-m but yay
10:10 magnuse well, you do have a full job and contribute a lot to koha!
10:09 cait-m took a while...
10:09 magnuse 1/3 of the way - awesome!
10:09 magnuse w00t!
10:08 cait-m only 24 more to be done
10:08 cait-m also got my certificate for 12 finished modules today
10:08 cait-m it does
10:07 magnuse i bet that feels good!
10:07 magnuse yay!
10:06 cait-m fair and got everything done on time
10:06 magnuse cait-m: woohoo!!1!
10:06 cait-m was ok
10:06 cait-m :-)
10:06 mtompset How did they go, cait-m?
10:06 mtompset But the script only works for ONE instance, so taking back ups is really their problem if they have more than one.
10:06 cait-m nope all done
10:05 magnuse mtompset: good plan!
10:05 mtompset So they don't lose their data at worst.
10:05 magnuse cait-m: cheating with your mobile during exams? :-)
10:05 mtompset mysqldump ....
10:05 mtompset I dump the MySQL DB.
10:04 magnuse hiya cait-m
09:52 drojf for packages i guess it would make more sense to have the uninstallation process ask me if i would like to keep the instances or remove them
09:44 mtompset Similarly, if you have multiple git repos in your home directory, the script won't work.
09:37 mtompset then it works smoothly. :)
09:37 mtompset if you have multiple instances, it will tell you do koha-remove all but 1 first. ;)
09:37 mtompset so if you had a koha-uninstall which was koha-remove aware...
09:36 drojf i have actually managed to forget that myself before ;)
09:36 drojf i see
09:35 mtompset So you'll still have pieces of koha lying around.
09:34 mtompset most people will forget that.
09:34 mtompset before you uninstall koha-common.
09:34 mtompset And actually, you need to use koha-remove.
09:34 mtompset It should, but I need the script to be packages, git, and tarball friendly.
09:32 drojf why would you need that for package installs? should removing the package not take care of that?
09:31 mtompset I think I almost have it tested for package installs.
09:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mjr, NEW , No uninstall script
09:28 wahanui i think mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. Bug 459. Old school, baby!
09:28 mtompset mtompset?
09:27 mtompset Oh, I should expand that.
09:27 drojf heh
09:27 wahanui rumour has it mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. ;)
09:27 drojf mtompset?
09:27 mtompset Try again now. ;)
09:26 mtompset No, just 1 months.
09:26 drojf i think wahanui keeps telling that for three months already :)
09:26 wahanui i think mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months!
09:26 drojf hey mtompset
09:26 mtompset greetings, drojf.
09:24 drojf good morning #koha
09:24 drojf sun, at least
09:24 drojf summer again :)
09:24 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 15.3°C (11:13 AM CEST on September 22, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
09:24 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:19 * magnuse wonders if misc/cronjobs/batch_anonymise.pl needs an update after the hourly loans changes
09:17 magnuse rangi decides, though :-)
09:17 magnuse looks like its already after 9 pm there, so it should be close
09:17 magnuse september 22, nz time
09:11 wahanui mtompset: I forgot so, when
09:11 mtompset wahanui: forget so, when
09:10 wahanui it has been said that so, when is 3.8.5 coming out? Later today? Monday?
09:10 mtompset so, when?
09:10 wahanui mtompset: I forgot sunday
09:10 mtompset wahanui: forget sunday
09:10 mtompset wahauni forget Sunday
09:10 wahanui hmmm... Sunday is going to break records
09:10 mtompset Sunday?
09:10 mtompset So, when is 3.8.5 coming out? Later today? Monday?
09:08 magnuse yeah, think so :-)
09:07 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on September 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
09:07 magnuse @wunder boo
09:07 magnuse you could say that, i guess
08:58 mtompset It's the end of summer?
08:46 magnuse and happy equinox too, btw!
08:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL â–¸ Top stories today via @NewWorldLibrary @kohails"
08:36 magnuse not sure exactly when, but it is today, at least
08:36 * mtompset joins magnuse in crossing his fingers, but adds a few prayers too. :)
08:35 mtompset When is it? now?
08:30 * magnuse keeps his fingers crossed for cait's exam
08:20 magnuse kia ora #koha!
08:13 mtompset Oh... wait...
08:08 mtompset I think I have it. One last test.
07:24 mtompset Bye, wajasu.
07:02 wajasu got my stuff done and time to crash.
06:51 mtompset Ooo... had thought about KOHA_CONF, etc. More code being added.
06:45 mtompset Okay... rebooted. Restarting VM...
06:31 wajasu i finally got the DBIx stuff working on squeeze, using a fresh VM. libsysguy will be relieved.
06:31 mtompset Going to reboot.
06:31 mtompset I like &> /dev/null it's shorter, and works equally well.
06:29 * wajasu finishing up some testing before I croak.
06:28 wajasu you can do that in crontab lines so that if there is no output, no mail gets sent. :)
06:27 wajasu the order matters too.
06:26 mtompset Yes, the > /dev/null 2>&1 actually redirects STDERR to STDOUT, and STDOUT has been redirected to /dev/null
06:25 mtompset I'm testing this on my packages clone first.
06:25 mtompset just finished the reclone...
06:24 wajasu oh.
06:24 wajasu your &> /dev/null may be ok, but i am used to an old way.
06:24 mtompset paste
06:24 mtompset Strange, the past introduced those bizarre Aborting with spaces.
06:23 wajasu the stuff in parenthesis gets run and its output feeds the read statements in the while loop.
06:22 wajasu the done line looks fishy. maybe you need <<(ls instead of < <(ls
06:21 wajasu if thats the usage problem
06:20 wajasu the sudo lines after 272. (koha-zebra-daemon area) i believe you want to eat allthe output and send it to /dev/null. try >/dev/null 2>&1 instead ( that redirects stderr to stdout and then stdout to /dev/null
06:18 wajasu it will be plain to see
06:17 mtompset Opening with a different editor...
06:16 mtompset I'm looking at in Windoze... give me more context?
06:16 wajasu you cant do that in bash
06:16 wajasu 230 has files. with a couple of newlines then Aborting!"
06:15 wajasu 242 you pipe to grep at end, but what are you grepping for?
06:12 mtompset I'm getting an error around 232, 242, and some bizarre usage message around the koha-zebra-daemon.
06:12 wajasu i wrote a bash script which backed up the local system, and tar and piped it through ssh to another server. it required building up paths from lots of variable configured at the beginning.
06:12 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "lastest version of uninstall.sh" (321 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/193
06:10 wajasu i could scan it and let yo know if i see anything. alot of code.
06:10 mtompset Uninstall programs are intense. You have to make sure you get all the tiny pieces.
06:10 mtompset There are three errors now in my current version, which I would like to track down.
06:09 mtompset I'm still trying to figure out a couple others.
06:09 mtompset But testing helped clean those up.
06:09 mtompset Well, there were mistakes...
06:08 wajasu no mistakes.
06:08 wajasu nice. i read yor patch earlier. kinda intense
06:08 mtompset Okay... first testing run partly completed. reclone, and retesting...
06:07 mtompset Greetings again, wajasu
04:36 * wajasu over and out
04:24 mtompset Oops... ran out of disk space, let's try again.
04:02 * mtompset is cloning his packages VM.
03:23 mtompset And test it.
03:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mjr, NEW , No uninstall script
03:21 mtompset bug 459
03:21 mtompset Now to patchify my uninstall script
03:18 mtompset No, not as bad.
03:09 wajasu DBIc has some Moo in it. I guess its not as bad as an entire Moose
03:05 wajasu mtompset: read 8798 comment #23
03:04 wajasu he ages gracefully
03:03 mtompset Greetings, #koha. Is it still Nate's birthday? Happy Birthday again, Nate. ;)
03:01 wajasu you are probably right.
02:57 jcamins_away wajasu: no, we are not refactoring all the database tables just to make the names more pleasant. That way lies regression.
02:55 wajasu maybe its because i'm used to OO / ORM stuff and just reference objects not caring about the PK.
02:55 libsysguy gnight
02:54 libsysguy ill pester for a sign off on monday ;)
02:54 libsysguy you guys have a good night
02:54 libsysguy actually im out too
02:53 wajasu i am wondering if i can use PPI to parse and refactor
02:53 jcamins And I prefer table_id
02:53 jcamins Screw that. I just wish we *had* PKs.
02:53 libsysguy or at least columnnameid
02:53 libsysguy ME TOO
02:53 wajasu i wish all the PKs were called id.
02:52 wajasu i had generated the dbicdump for the 147 tables. the schema had so many places with no ref constraints. probably for a reason.
02:51 * libsysguy thinks jcamins is the man for the job
02:51 libsysguy man I should have applied and been voted out :p
02:51 libsysguy oh a server comes with the job
02:51 jcamins My RM repo is only 819MB.
02:51 libsysguy why didn't i think of that initially
02:50 jcamins And that's why I'm getting a server with a large hard drive.
02:50 libsysguy of course
02:50 jcamins libsysguy: I use my RM repo.
02:50 libsysguy how are you going to handle that when you're the next RM
02:50 libsysguy geez jcamins
02:49 jcamins I added a couple.
02:49 jcamins I'm at 100.
02:49 jcamins Wait, no, just kidding.
02:49 jcamins :)
02:49 jcamins I'm down below 100 now.
02:49 jcamins I deleted 200 branches the other day.
02:48 * libsysguy 's tree needs pruning
02:48 * libsysguy should at least clean up some old branches
02:48 jcamins (so it will be 1.25GB)
02:47 jcamins I should probably prune my repo.
02:47 libsysguy anywho, I just thought I'd drop in and complain for a moment :p
02:47 wajasu yup
02:46 libsysguy yeah…big
02:46 jcamins My repo is 1.3GB.
02:46 jcamins ~200MB?
02:46 wajasu years of history
02:46 libsysguy pretty big I think
02:46 libsysguy I forget how big the koha git repo is now
02:45 libsysguy there are a ton of Koha deps
02:45 libsysguy I mean I like catalyst, but their releases are poop
02:45 wajasu the cpan pull for all of the koha deps is 100MB
02:44 wajasu you guys have the history in this environment, so i trust you know better.
02:44 jcamins (imitating Catalyst, that is)
02:44 jcamins Dreadful plan.
02:44 jcamins I have to agree with libsysguy on this.
02:44 libsysguy hint: shitty
02:43 jcamins lol
02:43 libsysguy ask Catalyst (not the company) how well that is working out
02:43 libsysguy I can't say I really recommend that course of action
02:43 libsysguy it seems like the only oddity between our installs was the plurality of the action logs table
02:42 wajasu makes me want to just create local::lib for all of koha's app.
02:42 libsysguy well that is why I was asking colin what version he was using
02:42 wajasu its an interesting problem. if we can't use that deb pkg in the currently deploy squeeze servers.
02:41 libsysguy fun with dbix apparently :p
02:40 wajasu fun.
02:40 libsysguy work or fun?
02:40 libsysguy heh
02:40 wajasu not today.
02:39 libsysguy wajasu do you ever sleep?
02:27 jcamins You are quite welcome.
02:26 lodac-h Thanks a bunch! fyi, our discussion the other day about support, I have two of three people okay'd, now we are working on budget creation. good stuff. Thanks!
02:22 lodac-h ah. yes. I am also correcting utf8 stuff
02:22 jcamins koha-rebuild-zebra --full instance
02:22 jcamins lodac-h: you have to reindex.
02:11 lodac-h after the upgrade from 3.6 all the settings pull, however nothing is in the catalog.
02:09 lodac-h in 3.6 all items are stored in mysql correct?
01:55 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Updated the release notes
01:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #183: FIXED in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/183/
01:55 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
01:42 lodac-h okay. perfect.
01:41 jcamins If there is data, you'll have to figure out what you want to do with it.
01:41 jcamins If there's no data in it, just replace the contents with the contents of the 3.6.4 database.
01:40 jcamins No need to remove anything.
01:40 lodac-h if I already created the instance I wanted on the 3.8.4 machine, could i remove and start over... or would I be able to export the database from the mock conversiona nd import it into the desired 3.8.4 instance?
01:38 jcamins You might want to get a drink while that's running- I think it'll take a while.
01:38 lodac-h beautiful...
01:37 jcamins Run koha-upgrade-schema instance
01:37 jcamins Load it into the database on the 3.8.4 machine.
01:37 jcamins mysqldump the database from the 3.6.4 machine.
01:37 jcamins Call it something sensible.
01:37 jcamins Create a new instance on the 3.8.4 machine.
01:36 jcamins lodac-h: very simple.
01:36 lodac-h moving from tarball install 3.6.4 to a package install 3.8.4... simple way to export and import? or am I looking at some fun :)
01:36 * jcamins waves
01:34 lodac-h hello
01:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #183 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #180 2 days 21 hr ago)
01:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , table of contents not printing right if entered right
01:16 jenkins_koha tomascohen: Bug 6617 - Wrong first indicator value in test
01:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #182: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/182/
01:03 wajasu hope its not on a sheeva plug
00:43 drojf good night #koha
00:43 drojf [off] if anyone wants to try it, opac http://78.52.96.182:5000/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl | staff http://78.52.96.182:5001/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl user/pass: test
00:43 jcamins drojf: awesome!
00:42 drojf and overclocked to 1000mhz
00:41 drojf but i have a fresh raspberry pi with 3.8 and plack :)
00:40 drojf uh it got late
00:38 rangi ok, off again
00:38 rangi other things, don't notice
00:38 rangi its a good way to spot stuff that is actually tested well, Acquisitions.t failed exactly as it should
00:38 rangi :)
00:37 * jcamins likes to pretend.
00:37 jcamins Oh yeah.
00:37 rangi they arent actually tested properly
00:37 jcamins Also the import_* tables.
00:32 rangi which means they both cant test using the same test data anymore
00:32 rangi and removed
00:32 rangi but with latest set of patches the acquisitions tables changed (columns renamed)
00:31 rangi since the structure hasnt changed
00:31 rangi hasnt needed one
00:31 jcamins Oh, 3.8.x doesn't have a separate DB?
00:31 rangi i want a fresh 3.8.x one, master has diverged enough that it needs its own
00:31 jcamins rangi: I know. Just being silly.
00:30 rangi root password
00:30 jcamins Why do you need a new DB?
00:30 jcamins rangi: katikoan? :)
00:26 wajasu :)
00:26 wajasu koha
00:24 rangi hmm i need a fresh db made on the jenkins server but ive forgotten the mysql password, so that will have to wait for biblibre
00:12 jenkins_koha Starting build #182 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #180 2 days 20 hr ago)
00:10 rangi heh
00:07 martian523 thanks!
00:07 martian523 i don't really understand right now, will sign on next week again, need to leave now
00:07 jcamins (circulation and fine rules)
00:06 jcamins Look in your circ rules configuration screen.
00:06 jcamins martian523: probably because there is no "Renewals" box relating to creating item types.
00:06 wajasu when they read it, they will know.
00:06 jcamins Probably Colin also has a newer version.
00:06 martian523 o...
00:06 jcamins wajasu: I think your analysis is a good one.
00:06 wajasu not related to yours.
00:05 martian523 is that bug referring to my question? or answering some other question?
00:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , Add the use of DBIx::Class
00:03 wajasu if anyone might have a suggestion about bug 8798, comment #23, feel free to chime in with suggestions.