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23:43 santy_ thanks a lot everyone for your help and time, good bye hope we meet again soon
23:22 santy_ ok jcamins
23:21 jcamins Just make sure you use a UTF-8 locale.
23:21 jcamins (and probably none at all)
23:21 jcamins That said, if you follow the instructions that rangi pointed to, you won't run into any errors that matter.
23:20 santy_ lol good point
23:20 jcamins santy_: you'll have to translate any error messages you want to ask about.
23:19 santy_ do you know about any issues for koha running on an operating system (ubuntu) that has a language different than english?
23:09 santy_ thx
23:09 santy_ great
23:09 santy_ ok ok got it
23:09 jcamins ^^ that's the one to follow
23:09 rangi it works for ubuntu too
23:09 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian <-- follow that
23:09 martian523 so if i want the chinese title to show up, i would be better off putting the chinese title in the 245 field?
23:09 jcamins santy_: because the person who wrote the Ubuntu guide liked detail.
23:08 rangi santy_: you should only install from the packages for production/testing .. and git for development
23:08 santy_ I was comparing the instalation guides of debian squeeze and ubuntu LTS... why is ubuntuses guide so much longer?
23:07 jcamins martian523: not without development work, no.
23:07 martian523 is there a way to fix that?
23:07 martian523 what i prefer is to have the chinese title show up instead of the transliterated title
23:07 santy_ ok great
23:07 jcamins rangi: oh my. What an awful thought.
23:06 jcamins santy_: however, the upgrade is easy.
23:06 rangi you aren't going into production next week are u?
23:06 martian523 when i searched the catalog, only the transliterated title shows up, and not the chinese title
23:06 jcamins santy_: 3.8.4 it is, since 3.8.5 isn't coming out until the end of the week. :P
23:06 santy_ I have to install koha by next week, should I wait for the 3.8.5 release or just go with 3.8.4?
23:05 martian523 i have entered the transliterated title in 245, and the chinese title in 880
23:05 martian523 now i think i'm going back to a problem that i've asked before
23:05 martian523 ok...fix that
23:02 jcamins XSLTResultsDisplay, I think, is what it's called.
23:02 jcamins Among other things, it's controlled by a syspref.
23:01 martian523 what is xslt again?
23:00 jcamins Yes, turning off the XSLT will fix your problem.
22:59 martian523 3.8.3
22:58 jcamins And what version are you using?
22:58 jcamins In the staff client only.
22:58 jcamins Try turning off XSLT for the search results.
22:56 martian523 - vs /
22:56 martian523 opac-detail.pl and catalogue/detail.pl
22:56 martian523 i just see one difference
22:55 rangi no idea then im afraid
22:55 martian523 the link that works is http://192.168.1.127:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=22259
22:54 martian523 the link that has error 404 is http://192.168.1.127:8080/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=22259
22:54 santy_ oh, one question... when will the date/calendar fix be available (version 3.8.5)?
22:53 rangi cool, just being nosey
22:53 martian523 me? from CA
22:51 rangi where are you from martian523 ?
22:50 rangi one must be a bad url then, what are the actual urls?
22:49 martian523 biblionumbers are the same
22:49 rangi yes, what are the biblionumbers?
22:47 martian523 one is opac, and one is catalogue, i guess there's a difference?
22:46 martian523 An error has occurred! Error 404 This error means that the link was broken and that the page doesn't exist To report this error, you can email the Koha administrator. Use top menu bar to navigate to another part of Koha.
22:46 rangi is the url the same for both?
22:45 martian523 what is this error 404?
22:45 martian523 i have chinese books in my catalog with chinese title and the transliteration title. when i click on the chinese title, it shows error 404 came up, but when i clicked on the the transliterated title, it's ok
22:44 jcamins Makes sense.
22:43 rangi with less $
22:43 rangi so im gonna try to get it saying $total owing $4
22:43 rangi etc
22:43 rangi whats the diff
22:43 rangi do i owe $2 or $4
22:43 martian523 hi, i have run across some problems when searching through the catalog
22:42 rangi ppl go wtf
22:42 rangi Total fees $2
22:42 rangi Total fines $2
22:42 rangi you get 2 lines
22:42 rangi except, you finish and print a slip
22:42 jcamins Yup.
22:42 rangi all good so far right
22:42 rangi the self check goes oh, this cost $2
22:42 rangi in the checkout message we send BV2.00
22:41 rangi then if i issue a rental item that costs $2
22:41 rangi the selfcheck machine sees this as fines
22:41 rangi say $2
22:41 rangi that includes how much you owe
22:41 rangi when you scan your card koha sends a message
22:36 rangi just annoying
22:36 rangi nothing insoluble
22:35 jcamins rangi: I guess you've run into some problems with the hardware at Te Tekare?
22:35 rangi sheesh i hate hardware
22:29 santy_ I will, I promise you, I will
22:28 tcohen (both distributed with koha)
22:28 tcohen and the example usage in bin/cronjobs/crontab.example
22:27 jcamins Also, use memcached for sessions.
22:27 tcohen bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl
22:27 tcohen take a look at the script
22:27 santy_ thanks a lot to every one!
22:27 santy_ cool tip
22:26 jcamins santy_: I thought it defaulted to MyISAM, but just truncating daily should be fine.
22:26 santy_ just cron job truncating or also changing table engine to myisam?
22:25 wahanui i think cron job is only needed for *new* records.
22:25 santy_ ok cron job
22:25 santy_ tcohen, do you know about that zebraqueue tables getting big problem? ist it fixed?
22:25 jcamins santy_: run the cron job that truncates zebraqueue every day.
22:24 santy_ yea too valuable to let time damage it further
22:22 tcohen yes santy_, they are master copies of jesuitic material
22:22 rangi and the one that has been there for 3 months
22:22 jcamins I just can't figure out why those are showing up.
22:22 jcamins_away Yeah, I know which one is worrying. :)
22:22 rangi test
22:22 rangi it was the pod tets
22:22 rangi oh those ones im not worried about
22:21 jcamins_away rangi: does jenkins not automatically run updatedatabase?
22:20 santy_ 10GB thats a lot
22:20 * rangi fixes some
22:19 tcohen 10GB average each book
22:19 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
22:19 rangi *sigh*
22:19 tcohen some scans :-D
22:19 tcohen that's not what our sysadmins told me when I got a LUN on the storage server with 30TB of free space for
22:18 santy_ (your right... gonna recommend 250 gb disk)
22:18 santy_ :)
22:18 tcohen hehe
22:18 santy_ ok.. as for the zebraqueue tables... has that issue been resolved for 3.8.5?
22:18 rangi Ive never heard someone say, 'oh damn, I got too much disk"
22:17 rangi get lots
22:17 rangi disk is cheap
22:17 tcohen those are the ones I say might eat 40GB easily
22:16 tcohen zebra's indexes are fat
22:16 tcohen that's what zebra does
22:16 santy_ of course indexing every word occurrence in a separate dbms, right?
22:15 santy_ understand
22:15 tcohen which is always busy but its content disposable
22:15 santy_ oh ok
22:15 tcohen you're mixing with zebraqueue table
22:14 tcohen zebra is a separate full-text indexing DB
22:14 tcohen nope
22:14 santy_ hmm I don't know... but I recall having set up the zebra indexes tables to run on myisam instead of innodb to avoid transactional data to pile up, those 40GB are taking that into account?
22:13 tcohen a 50K registers DB takes 2GB (checking right now)
22:12 santy_ 40 GB?
22:12 tcohen so 120GB HD?
22:12 tcohen zebra indexes might take 40GB
22:11 tcohen so, I'd say 4GB RAM and 3 or more cores
22:11 tcohen (tuned mysql)
22:11 bag heh just checking to see if wahanui had a definition
22:10 tcohen and you'd want to have it in RAM
22:10 bag freeze?
22:10 tcohen you should consider that your DB will be 1.5GB or 2GB (raw disk space)
22:08 santy_ yes... one virtualized server for everything
22:08 tcohen and the mysql server will be on the same hardware?
22:08 santy_ there will be about 500000
22:08 tcohen it depends on the amount of records you have
22:05 santy_ it in the koha docs nor the wiki (might be mistaken)
22:05 santy_ Do you know a good guide to estimate disk space and ram requirements for koha? I have searched but did not find
22:03 wajasu sweet
22:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Subscription search and displays
22:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7751 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , Decrease loan period on items with a high number of holds
22:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies
22:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Headings in OPAC bib details should link to authority record
22:02 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5357: Follow-up - layout and EAN search
22:02 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5357: Adds a new page for searching subscriptions
22:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 7751: Decrease Loans for Items in Demand for Holds
22:02 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 7993 follow-up DBRev number
22:02 jenkins_koha * srdjan: Bug 7993: Save reports with Group/Subgroup hierarchy
22:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search
22:02 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8210: add links to authorities in normal mode headings
22:02 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8210: add links to authorities to headings in OPAC
22:02 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8211: Add exploded search options
22:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #840: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/840/
22:00 tcohen (both the apache front-ends and separate mysl cluster)
22:00 tcohen we have koha on Ubuntu
21:59 tcohen i was just listing what we have in our infrastructure
21:59 santy_ ok 6.3... there is even a howto
21:59 tcohen on 6.3 we can speak
21:59 tcohen santy_ don't
21:57 santy_ I was strongly suggested not to install koha on centos 5.8 today
21:56 tcohen but are moving towards Ubuntu in the mid-term
21:56 tcohen we also use CentOS, OpenSuSE and Debian
21:56 tcohen in my university, we are pleased to use them both
21:55 santy_ I understand debian or ubuntu are both feasible alternatives for a koha production server with full functionality
21:54 santy_ lol
21:54 tcohen debianers on this IRC will hate me :-D
21:54 tcohen no no, don't do it
21:53 santy_ just because i'm more familiar with ubuntu and your suggestions about upgrading
21:52 santy_ I think I'll go for ubuntu 12.04+koha 3.8.5
21:50 tcohen it works on debian too
21:50 tcohen i recommend you see the ufw (firewall) instructions if going production
21:49 tcohen here https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/index.html you can get instructions for most common things
21:47 santy_ ok
21:47 tcohen they ARE the same
21:46 tcohen (distros)
21:46 tcohen you use them for both OS's
21:46 tcohen the only koha packages are those from debian.koha-community.org
21:46 santy_ how about the debian koha packages? are they more up-to-date than ubuntus?
21:45 tcohen 18 months its less than you belive
21:45 tcohen it makes you have enough time to design you OS upgrade steps
21:44 tcohen (5 year support)
21:44 tcohen for a server, stick to LTS releases
21:44 santy_ well the proof of concept i did setup was on ubuntu natty. Things worked out pretty smoothly (koha 3.8). I have not tried the zebra z39.50 server yet though, or checked out the hourly loans
21:41 tcohen and work on a ubuntu environment, and feel comfortable
21:41 tcohen i love debian
21:41 tcohen i'd say ubuntu has official docs, and commercial support if you want it
21:40 tcohen i think its a matter of taste
21:40 santy_ I am considering the following factors: security, performance, support, stability, documentation, setup
21:40 tcohen (the same repos, etc)
21:38 tcohen in fact, you will use the same packages on both
21:38 tcohen squeeze and precise are almost binary identical...
21:38 tcohen there is no ubuntu-specific package or something
21:37 tcohen not sure
21:37 santy_ ok, so it is more likely that a patch will be available on debian quicker
21:37 tcohen if that's the parameter that makes your choice, then go for debian
21:36 rangi sorry triying to diagnose hardware via phone
21:36 tcohen debian
21:33 santy_ by support I mean the speed knowledge is gained by the supporters... is koha being improved, tested and fixed on debian first?
21:32 tcohen santy_, what you mean by support?
21:30 cait and good night #koha :)
21:30 tcohen on providing smooth integration with cloud-oriented tools
21:30 cait magnuse: good night!
21:30 tcohen we use ubuntu in our datacenter, because Canonical is focused
21:30 tcohen ubuntu relies on debian's development
21:29 tcohen ubuntu is a debian derivative, backed by Canonical
21:29 santy_ as far as I understood
21:29 santy_ what about support?... mtompset says there is a greater chance to get things solved on pure debian
21:28 rangi http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/2.18/html/security-mysql.html
21:27 rangi its true
21:27 * magnuse calls it a day
21:26 tcohen rangi, read it, but cannot figure how to test to see if its true
21:26 santy_ ok in terms of security ubuntu 1204 (w/o anonymous logins) and debian squeeze are both ok
21:25 magnuse stopped and started all my zebras and swap usage fell dramatically
21:25 magnuse gah! found the culprit that was eating my swap space: zebra
21:24 rangi :)
21:24 rangi no one reads tht bit
21:24 rangi production environment.
21:24 rangi go a bit smoother. You should remove them before moving into a
21:24 rangi them. This is intended only for testing, and to make the installation
21:24 rangi to log into MySQL without having to have a user account created for
21:24 rangi By default, a MySQL installation has an anonymous user, allowing anyone
21:23 rangi http://www.sitepoint.com/ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-introducing-mysql-server/
21:23 rangi no
21:22 tcohen ah, you mean that dpkg has access to mysql?
21:22 rangi ahh well you should look, it does, it broke packaging we had to add a patch to get round it
21:21 tcohen rangi, i haven't noticed that
21:21 rangi read above
21:21 santy_ why debian squeeze over ubuntu 12.04?
21:21 rangi ymmv
21:20 rangi ubuntu 12.04 ships with mysql anonymous logins
21:20 rangi id strongly advise debian squeeze over ubuntu
21:19 tcohen so, i'd say Ubuntu 12.04 (:-P) with 3.8.5 as soon as they land
21:18 tcohen nice rangi
21:18 rangi tcohen: they are all in 3.8.x now the last of them just added so will all be in 3.8.5 most were in 3.8.4
21:18 libsysguy so santy_ if you're not worried about that then go with 3.8
21:18 tcohen we had to apply some of colin's patches for dates/calendars to get 3.8.x work flawlessly
21:17 wajasu i did just provide a patch for the overdue_notices for 3.8.x
21:17 libsysguy the issue that I am aware of with 3.8.4 is with hourly loans
21:17 rangi with no issues
21:17 rangi otoh i have clients running 3.8.4
21:17 libsysguy whatcha up to
21:17 libsysguy hey cait
21:17 libsysguy we have had quite a bit of trouble with 3.8.x branches
21:17 cait hi libsysguy :)
21:16 libsysguy santy_: I would suggest debian squeeze with koha 3.6
21:16 wajasu you surely did. i love the feature, its sped up my testing.
21:16 tcohen wajasu, i'm fine with that. i know i did my part :-D
21:15 wajasu so tcohen. if its not going into 3.10, there is time. i guess i need to shift to other efforts. i totally understand what you are saying.
21:13 tcohen this is just another iteration of the same story, now trying to make it easy to include those scripts in koha
21:12 tcohen i did that. and abandoned those patches when i was told of the existence of fredericd's scripts
21:11 santy_ hello again everyone! I was able to convince my client to set up another vm on which to install koha, so now it's up to me to decide which OS to use. I have been told to use debian. If the goal is to set up a production server with about 500000 biblios and the need for the zebra z39.50 server, which combination of debian/koha versions would you recommend?
21:11 wajasu i agree.
21:08 tcohen the daemon scripts need to be release-dependent, and hence not a separate thing
21:06 wajasu if you embed you script in koha-common, who is to say, your deb won't have all that robin's has.
21:06 tcohen all this non-existent zebraqueue daemon is non-sense IMHO
21:05 wajasu a separate daemon, with its own lifecyle that reads from zebraqueue
21:05 tcohen bolt-on?
21:04 wajasu would he ever replace koha-common? or should he just make it more of a bolt-on?
21:03 rangi of course its free software, anyone can do whatever they want within the license conditions :)
21:03 rangi imho
21:03 rangi so best to wait, then discuss licensing after the release and aim for koha being gpl3+ for 3.12
21:02 wajasu does he really need to integrate with koha-common?
21:02 rangi however its not going to make it for 3.10
21:02 rangi yep
21:02 tcohen ?
21:02 tcohen rangi, could we provide (as gpl3) a .deb package for koah::contrib::tamil and use it from that scripts of bug 8773
21:01 rangi and run them both
21:01 rangi then get the indexer
21:01 rangi but its entirely legal for me to get koha
21:01 rangi quite different things
21:01 rangi what we can't do, is bundle it in our release and try to distribute the release as gpl2+
21:01 rangi # version.
21:01 rangi # Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later
21:01 rangi # terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software
21:01 rangi # Koha is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the
21:00 rangi it says
21:00 rangi lets him have his own version being 3, he can even then distribute it as 3 if he wants
21:00 rangi the gpl2+ clause
21:00 rangi there is a difference
21:00 rangi you can't distribute
20:59 rangi you can run inhouse
20:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
20:59 tcohen wajasu, what is worth testing is the patch for bug 8773 i think
20:59 wajasu plus, it got Moose and firends, which is a hefty.
20:59 wajasu if its separate i don't see it being worth testing time, since he can run it inhouse without being part of koha.
20:57 rangi which isnt a decision we can make now
20:57 rangi so it needs to stay separate unless we want to distribute as gpl3
20:57 wajasu i think thats what he was expecting.
20:57 rangi we can't bundle it with, and distribute the whole thing as gpl2 tho
20:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #840 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 16 days ago)
20:56 rangi wajasu: that's not part of koha, its a sep thing, so debugging is fine
20:56 wajasu i am realizeing feature freeze is just 4 days away.
20:54 wajasu rangi: were you serious about not being able to take gpl3 code? or is anything in cpan OK even if it says it gpl3? i am wondering if i should continue debugging Koha::Contrib::Tamil with tcohen
20:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5357: Follow-up - layout and EAN search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8defeb2bd0449fb57945e54a487249283d64f191> / Bug 5357: Adds a new page for searching subscriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=214fd0fbd1fb00e9d20efb22c80c9662820fb347> / Bug 7751: Decrease Loans for Items in Demand for Holds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm
20:52 wajasu mine won't upgrade from 3.0 until its fixed. so i'll be happy.
20:51 cait because this would make our libraries really really unhappy
20:51 cait and I am really glad if it gets fixed
20:51 cait maybe
20:51 cait oh
20:50 wajasu you were the one that told me about the dollar amount not showing, right?
20:49 cait I didn't even get to test it
20:49 cait wajasu: I don't think it was me really finding it :(
20:49 * cait fails 7572
20:49 cait hm?
20:49 wajasu cait: thanks for finding that <fine> issue. i'm assuming 8378 is going to make it to 3.10 if its in master
20:48 rangi back
20:32 cait kathryn: ah :)
20:20 oleonard See y'all later
20:15 kathryn -a
20:14 kathryn neh, not the actual excercise kinda ;)
20:14 cait running? :)
20:14 kathryn oh hello cait! :) I've been quiet, running....
20:13 cait :)
20:13 cait good morning kathryn
20:13 wajasu yes
20:13 cait wajasu: ?
20:08 * wajasu wonders if apache lucy is being used, or just webservice calls.
20:05 wajasu ahh
20:04 wahanui search rewrite is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
20:04 cait search rewrite?
20:04 cait wajasu: not for solr, but woudl be a good foundation for better solr integration I tihnk
20:04 rangi My stop someone paste the link bbiab
20:04 wajasu jcamins work?
20:04 rangi No
20:04 wajasu rangi: is the search rewrite the solr work?
20:01 * cait summons jcamins to tell him he should do that
20:00 rangi Yeah
20:00 cait about the current status of fnding?
20:00 rangi I wonder if we can get an update in the newsletter
19:59 * wizzyrea provides nudging
19:59 cait *hint* :)
19:59 cait .. which is agood moment to point out it still needs funding maybe
19:58 rangi Could be worth revisiting
19:58 rangi Once the search rewrite is done
19:58 wajasu yup
19:57 rangi There's a zillion ways to do it.bigger fish to fry at the moment
19:57 wajasu rangi: i started think we could just implement the smae thing with plack. i have another idea too: when we write zebraqueue, we touch a file in a directory, and have lib notify call a zebraindex script.
19:56 rangi Hehe
19:54 chris_n yoyo internet... gotta love it
19:53 tcohen if i had known..
19:51 tcohen oh, that's the thing about that libs...
19:51 rangi Koha
19:50 rangi Maybe a Sep repo to make it clear its not part of kohs
19:50 wajasu yes. i saw your update. even downloaded today.
19:50 tcohen wajasu, you're using the latest koha-common*.deb from http://es.koha-community.org/kc_files/, right?
19:50 rangi Probably cant
19:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
19:49 tcohen bug 8774
19:49 tcohen I hope eythian packages it as a .deb in koha's repo
19:49 wajasu ok just checking
19:48 wajasu got it from cpan
19:48 tcohen If you cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil it installs the IndexDaemon stuff
19:48 rangi Cpan
19:48 rangi But you can get it from clan
19:48 wajasu Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
19:47 rangi Yep can't include with Koha for distribution
19:47 wajasu do I need Koha::Contrib::Indexer as well? maybe thats it
19:46 * wajasu trying to reinstall the Koha::Contrib::Tamil its GPL3 you know :)
19:44 tcohen yes, you need to have Koha::Contrib::Tamil before running the daemon (which is triggered when you create an instance)
19:44 wajasu it must have to do with the Tamil module. let me see.
19:43 wajasu now when i install Koha::Contrib::Tamil, i ran it twice so some deps were available from the first run and it succeeded. i did not have the KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB configured during the Koha::Config::Tamil module this time, thought i tried that in a prior effort.
19:43 tcohen my koha-indexer-error.log is empty
19:41 wajasu there
19:41 wajasu thre
19:41 wajasu yes it their and empty.
19:40 wahanui it has been said that zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes.
19:40 tcohen zebraqueue?
19:39 wajasu remind me the name
19:39 tcohen are the tables created¿
19:38 wajasu right. i can't figure it out. i don't have any superflous KOHA_CONF or PERL5LIB configured.
19:38 tcohen i've had it running on my dev workstation since our last chat
19:38 tcohen so, it is not working for u?
19:37 wajasu tcohen: dpkg installs and restart the zebra and adds the indexer. the koha-indexer-output.log is empty, and the koha-indexer-error.log kicks out: client (pid 15476) exited with 1 status (so its the daemon that logs and it tries every 30 seconds.
19:34 tcohen if it helps...
19:34 tcohen we are having two FOSS licence specialists to speak at UNC next friday
19:34 mbalmer and going to sleep ;)
19:33 mbalmer 42, and, PostgreSQL
19:33 wahanui tcohen: i'm not following you...
19:33 tcohen wahanui: 42
19:33 mbalmer 42
19:33 wahanui i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
19:33 tcohen what the question is?
19:33 oleonard rangi I'm pretty slow with license stuff, so I'm sure I'll have to ask again
19:32 wajasu i'm about to run dpkg. 1 minute
19:32 * rangi hopes early morning rangi is making sense
19:31 tcohen what does koha-indexer-output.log say about it?
19:31 rangi But if you note you are distributing under 3 you can share it too
19:30 wajasu the indexer keeps respawning
19:30 wajasu i am trying again, because of an issue.
19:30 wajasu tcohen:i'm just did a fresh debina install, then cpan, then now Koha::Contrib::Tamil , then doing webinstaller.
19:29 tcohen did you succeed?
19:29 tcohen hi wajasu, i've been out on a meeting
19:29 rangi You could always play with it, cos of the +
19:28 rangi Yes you can distribute it
19:26 magnuse jcamins_away: which book?
19:25 wizzyrea own your awesome, oleonard. :)
19:25 wizzyrea yes but you put it there :P
19:25 oleonard I can't take any credit wizzyrea, it's all Bootstrap-pretty.
19:24 oleonard In other words rangi, I don't have to board up my windows and ready my shotgun while I tinker with Bootstrap
19:24 wajasu tcohen: yes
19:24 wizzyrea that's awfully pretty oleonard
19:23 rangi :-)
19:23 rangi Or something
19:23 rangi Or call it it version 64644
19:23 rangi Just don't release it
19:22 rangi And can distribute for ppl to test
19:21 rangi You can say this version with bootstrap is gpl3+
19:20 tcohen wajasu, r u there?
19:20 oleonard Upgrade your copy?
19:20 rangi So don't need to wait for testing etc
19:20 rangi And include bootstrap
19:19 rangi Allows you to upgrade your copy
19:19 rangi However the gpl 2+
19:18 rangi Or it will just derail
19:18 * oleonard grumbles
19:18 oleonard Ah right the tm. :(
19:18 rangi After the release at least, hopefully tm is all sorted by then too
19:18 oleonard Not til after 3.12 roles are chosen rangi ?
19:17 rangi Not for a while I hope
19:17 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5
19:17 cait or chris_n?
19:17 cait mj or mtj I think
19:17 oleonard Speaking of which, who is going to raise the issue on the list again? mtj?
19:16 cait can we update the license tomorrow? :)
19:15 oleonard Bootstrap toolbar buttons and menus using default icons and styles: http://www.screencast.com/t/MRdXxc4nGKN
18:56 bornie21 <jcamins_away>:I don't knw if this is a recommended but i have placed my new site inside the Koha Opac htdocs and accessing it over the LAN. Can it b hosted thusly
17:52 bornie21 ok had disabled the for test purposes
17:52 jcamins_away You should enable the other sites, then run apachectl -S.
17:52 jcamins_away Wait, there's only the one site enabled.
17:52 bornie21 the above is the result of apachectl -S. Sorry for pasting directly
17:51 jcamins_away But I think you want to set everything to listen on *.
17:51 cait oh and hi #koha :)
17:51 jcamins_away Please use paste.koha-communit.org in the future.
17:51 cait has nengard been hacked?
17:51 bornie21 192.168.0.4:80 is a NameVirtualHost default server HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6) port 80 namevhost HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6) 192.168.0.4:8080 HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:100) 127.0.1.1:80 HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6) 127.0.1.1:
17:46 jcamins_away magnuse: I'm cataloging a book in Norwegian. :)
17:43 bornie21 Ok let me run that and see
17:43 * jcamins_away would theorize that some of your hosts are not listening on all addresses.
17:42 jcamins_away apache2ctl -S may help.
17:41 jcamins_away bornie21: if you change the default, you'll just have a different site showing up. The problem is somewhere in the NameVirtualHost configuration.
17:39 mveron Hi #koha
17:37 bornie21 How do I change it from being the default then
17:36 gmcharlt and if Koha is the default, that would account for the behavior
17:36 bornie21 No it has one interface
17:36 gmcharlt one possibility is that your vhost definitions are listening on the external interface but not the internal one
17:36 gmcharlt bornie21: does the machine have two network interfaces?
17:29 bornie21 Hey everyone I am trying to host multiple websites on a machine with Koha but upon setting the name based virtual hosts I can access the sites on the physical machine but when I try it on the LAN it resolves to the KOHA Opac page.
16:59 chris_n lol
16:59 jcamins_away His creativity with cooking things in the dishwasher impressed me.
16:58 mbalmer HAHAHA ;)
16:58 * jcamins_away is still disappointed mveron doesn't make them in the dishwasher.
16:58 chris_n looks good
16:58 mbalmer the ones we (mveron and I) bring to every Koha meeting
16:58 mbalmer exaclty ;)
16:57 chris_n mbalmer: as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basler_L%C3%A4ckerli
16:57 jcamins_away chris_n: I didn't say that *I* was adding the new sortable configuration.
16:56 mbalmer better hand him a basler laeckerli...
16:55 * chris_n hands jcamins_away a swiss army knife
16:49 jcamins_away oleonard: BTW, I am pro-"minimum number of options"
16:44 tcohen i filled a bug for that problem of try-to-upgrade-not-complete-installed-instan e
16:43 tcohen i managed to get it working out-of-the-box on a fresh install / koha-create instance setup
16:43 tcohen wajasu, that'sgood news!
16:40 jcamins_away (and the standard, non-wtf-y options could be translatable easily enough)
16:39 jcamins_away But if that's not translatable, it's no different than the situation with javascript now.
16:39 oleonard ...and then when someone came up with a new one we could accept a patch adding the option without rehashing this again
16:38 jcamins_away Like the way the ANS added "journal title."
16:38 oleonard I was thinking the choices would be hard-coded (and thus translatable), but numerous
16:38 oleonard What do you mean, add an entirely custom field?
16:37 jcamins_away But I guess that's no different from the way it is now.
16:37 jcamins_away If you add an entirely custom field, it's not translatable.
16:36 jcamins_away Well- translation.
16:36 jcamins_away +inf
16:36 * jcamins_away just likes excuses to mention how cool sortable is.
16:36 oleonard And why not do the same for the advanced search page?
16:36 jcamins_away :)
16:36 oleonard Right, an interface in the staff client where you can check a box next to the choices you want to offer and--sure--sort them too
16:35 jcamins_away :D
16:35 jcamins_away sortable!
16:35 jcamins_away It'd be easy to do with...
16:35 jcamins_away oleonard: ooh, I like the idea of non-javascript-based modifications.
16:25 jcamins_away But I'll get it. :)
16:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms
16:25 jcamins_away Bug 8726, which I'm having some trouble fixing.
16:25 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms
16:25 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
16:25 huginn jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
16:25 jcamins_away @query did you mean
16:25 jcamins_away Oh, and...
16:24 paul_p jcamins_away fine ;-)
16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client
16:24 jcamins_away I think bug 2060 and bug 8523 are the last ones.
16:24 jcamins_away paul_p: you're almost done with my authority patches. :)
16:20 paul_p oleonard = right ;)
16:19 oleonard These small things are important! :)
16:19 paul_p (in fact, this explain a tiny strange thing I saw in the display: tabs are not looking like tabs)
16:19 jcamins_away paul_p: oleonard said it actually came out looking mostly okay, which speaks well of our templates.
16:17 paul_p jcamins_away yep, will deal with it later. Strange, but possible, there were a lot of encoding issues (doubled UTF8) when I applied the patches. What's strange is that I made many tests and saw nothing...
16:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
16:17 jcamins_away paul_p: did you see my note on bug 8597?
15:07 reiveune bye
14:49 wajasu tcohen: it brought down my running koha-common services, and brought up the new ones automatically (plus indexer).
14:48 wajasu tcohen: i had success installing koha-common. i want to give it one more run through. outside of cpan Koha:Contrib::Tamil, i needed libtest-strict-perl and libdevel-cover-perl besides the typical deb pkgs.
14:45 * wajasu having good progress with tcohen's koha-common now
14:39 jcamins_away The patch is on the bug.
14:39 jcamins_away I'm not sure why it wasn't.
14:39 jcamins_away oleonard: it should've been.
14:38 oleonard Okay. I thought that since it was there it was ready.
14:37 jcamins_away oh, I already said that.
14:37 jcamins_away oleonard: the last patch for bug 8597...
14:36 jcamins_away Heh.
14:36 gmcharlt that said, it still gives me a twitch to have a supported branch with such an errant call :)
14:36 gmcharlt but is arguably one without visible effect
14:35 gmcharlt 8253 *does* fix a problem where the call to searchResults simply has the wrong number of parameters
14:34 gmcharlt jcamins_away: so looking at this more, I withdrawn my request, or at least lessen it
14:34 jcamins_away oleonard: the last patch for bug 8597 was not pushed.
14:33 jcamins_away That's the one I was thinking of.
14:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
14:33 jcamins_away bug 7894
14:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in
14:33 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up fix POD
14:33 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8597 follow-up DBRev number
14:33 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Add system preferences to configure the mobile view.
14:33 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8597: Add CSS, JS, and images to ccsr theme
14:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
14:33 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8597: fix hardcoded references to prog in ccsr
14:33 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Add mobile functionality to ccsr theme
14:33 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Create new CCSR theme
14:33 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Improve template markup to prepare for mobile
14:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #839: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/839/
14:32 gmcharlt jcamins_away: ok, I've checked as well - the fix for 7894 didn't make it into 3.6.x until 3.6.7
14:30 jcamins_away gmcharlt: I thought it went into 3.6.6. I'll check.
14:29 gmcharlt jcamins_away: the customer was running 3.6.6 when they encountered it
14:28 jcamins_away gmcharlt: on 3.6.8? I pushed a patch for that to 3.6.6...
14:28 gmcharlt what's weird is that the call to searchResults in opac-detail.pl was so broken prior to that fix that it shouldn't have worked at all
14:27 gmcharlt appear to affected only the first hit on the second page of search results
14:27 gmcharlt jcamins_away: yes, a customer of ours ran into it, but it was strangely intermittent
14:26 jcamins_away gmcharlt: are we seeing that on 3.6.x? I had tried replicating it and did not see it.
14:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8293 critical, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when clicking on first or last result of each page on OPAC
14:17 gmcharlt jcamins_away: are you still accepting cherry-picks for 3.6.9; if so, I nominate 3a10cbda9ac4 for bug 8293
14:15 * mtompset waves bye.
13:55 * mtompset nods, "Sadly, santy_."
13:40 * magnuse wanders off
13:38 santy_ if they have a vmed redhat, do not want more vms on that server, and have another win2003server it might probably best to install vbox on the windows machine then and debian inside
13:37 magnuse kf: yup :-)
13:36 kf magnuse: so you get the page numbers - but it's still weird :)
13:36 drojf but the vm in centos may be an option for the guys we visited for the conference last weekend, turns out they run koha on centos :/
13:36 kf magnuse: hm you could download the pdf from oreilly
13:36 santy_ ill find out
13:35 mtompset Oh, I bet they are using some virtualization product that charges per VM.
13:35 santy_ hehe debian inside centos inside another vm would be akward
13:34 drojf yo dawg, i heard you like VMs...
13:34 magnuse mtj: yeah, sure. and i have the book, but not a printed version, so page numbers are not the most useful...
13:34 santy_ I dont know which vm they are using
13:34 mtompset Don't run a VM in a VM.
13:34 santy_ they don't want no more vms.. ill have to change their mind
13:33 jcamins santy_: then have them spin up a Debian VM? :)
13:33 mtompset Their redhat is virtualized on what?
13:33 mtj magnuse, coz the author of perlcritic was inspired, after reading PBP
13:33 santy_ hmmm their redhat is already virtualized... and they don't want no more virtual machines... will have to convince them somehow
13:33 jcamins magnuse: hehe. I've wondered about that.
13:32 magnuse oh why on earth would perlcritic refer to *pages* in the perl best practices book?
13:31 jcamins santy_: I suspect there is no "easy" VM system suitable for servers, but I don't think that any should be that hard for someone familiar with the OS.
13:31 mtompset Sorry, I virtualize on a 2GB netbook under Windows, not exactly good enough for a production environment. :)
13:31 wizzyrea jcamins++
13:31 mtompset Unless you are familiar with packaging. ;)
13:31 santy_ ok, i'll learn about kvm on redhat/centos... do you know any other easy to setup vm on those oses?
13:30 mtompset You can get it running on CentOS 6.3, but you may have to do the evil CPAN thing.
13:30 wizzyrea hi :)
13:30 mtompset So it would have been a major learning curve for me.
13:29 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA
13:29 jcamins wizzyrea!
13:29 santy_ con centos 5.8
13:29 mtompset I've never used homebrew/perlbrew.
13:29 santy_ yes, perl
13:29 mtompset upgrading perl?
13:27 santy_ and the upgrade... would it have been very hard?
13:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #839 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago)
13:27 mtompset I didn't want the hassle of trying to upgrade it.
13:27 mtompset Like I said, the biggest problem was the wrong version of perl.
13:26 libsysguy I tried on 5.5 so you have me beat
13:26 mtj magnuse, yeah the './t/perlcriticrc' file has some tweaks for Modern::Perl
13:26 mtompset I didn't get a chance to try 6.3 yet.
13:26 jcamins libsysguy: oh yeah, I forgot you tried it.
13:25 magnuse ah, thanks mtj
13:25 mtompset I tried to install on CentOS 5.8 and got frustrated. ;)
13:25 libsysguy never again
13:25 libsysguy I tired Koha on Centos once
13:25 jcamins None of those people frequent the channel, though.
13:25 santy_ they are great, I hope my client has a sufficiently open mind
13:25 jcamins santy_: I know several people have tried installing Koha on RedHat, and had really bad experiences.
13:24 mtompset We do try to be helpful. :)
13:24 santy_ hey thanks a lot for your suggestions
13:24 mtj magnuse, try cd koha ; perlcriticrc --profile ./t/perlcriticrc YourModule.pm
13:23 jcamins Even if you get it working on your test environment, you'll have to repeat the troubleshooting process to move to production.
13:23 santy_ good point
13:23 mtompset The nice thing about a VM is... they update the host OS, as long as you get the virtualization environement running again, the setup will continue to work.
13:23 magnuse thanks jcamins, i'll run with that
13:23 santy_ don't know... its a gvrnmt agency, thay may have other apps already working...
13:22 jcamins In that case, I would insist on the VM.
13:22 santy_ only I can't test on redhat
13:22 mtompset Why haven't they moved to 6?
13:22 santy_ I have talked here about centos 5.8... but what they really have is redhat el5
13:22 jcamins magnuse: I think that's it.
13:21 mtompset Actually, its funny, because one of our offsite backups is a CentOS box, but the VM I have set up is Ubuntu. :)
13:21 magnuse so, what's our preferred incantation for invoking perlcritic? just "perlcritic myfile.pl" or some extra magic?
13:21 santy_ ok I'll find out and suggest that... one other question...
13:21 jcamins But I know that CentOS 5.8 is often used as a KVM host.
13:21 jcamins Or, you know, your preferred virtualization platform.
13:20 santy_ sounds cool
13:20 santy_ ok, thanks for your KVM suggestion
13:20 jcamins But his conclusion was "just use a VM."
13:20 jcamins Right, given enough time and effort. chris_n spent years trying to get it work, and eventually managed.
13:20 mtompset The problem is the perl library dependencies tend not to get ported quickly enough to perl versions that run natively under windows.
13:19 santy_ do you know about a specific koha/zebra feature that would not work?
13:19 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6151' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=401d9e447930e229d72eae0b6874bb3cd93d0e73> / Bug 6151 follow-up fix POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7eadd8b6297a7696cedfe73a73862694231e776> / Bug 8597 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71c8676a4d3fbcfd2d713ccfc946d07c5b
13:19 mtompset But no one has attempted it in recent years.
13:19 mtompset jcamins: given enough time and energy I'm sure it could be.
13:18 mtompset No, it isn't recommended.
13:18 jcamins santy_: indeed, it cannot be done.
13:18 santy_ so, installing directly on windows is not recommended?
13:18 samuel kf:ok
13:18 jcamins santy_: if I were you, I'd run KVM on the CentOS machine, and run Debian on it.
13:17 mtompset Yes, a VM... not the greatest solution, but that would let you do a debian install in the VM on the Windows OS of their chosing.
13:17 jcamins santy_: you could run a VM under Windows, but that's about it.
13:16 kf it should be in 200$a I think (not quite sure about UNIMARC here)
13:16 santy_ hi again mtompset... the other alternative my client has to offer is to install koha on a windows 2003 R'' Enterprise x64 sp2 server, how about that vs centos 5.8?
13:16 kf is 995$r the title you want to use to match the records on?
13:16 kf and the barcode and the itemtype
13:16 jcamins samuel: you need some way to associate those items with bibliographic records.
13:16 samuel kf: so, not subfield , all in one field
13:16 mtj … that was a pretty awesome disk-full fail :/
13:16 kf samuel: I don't know the item format for UNIMARC records very well, but I think you will also need home and holing library fields with the branch code in Koha
13:15 kf samuel: you need all the item information in one 995 per item
13:15 mtj DBD::SQLite::st execute failed: database or disk is full at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Bot/BasicBot/Pluggable/Store/DBI.pm line 81.
13:14 kf samuel: those will not work :(
13:14 mtj oops, full disk
13:14 jcamins Thanks.
13:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:14 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 wajasu ban tweetbot
13:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 jcamins Wait, you must be around.
13:13 jcamins mtj: if you're around, please kill tweetbot.
13:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 oleonard Or even mtj
13:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 oleonard ...or chris_n, or Guest6947
13:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 jcamins tweetbot`: shutdown
13:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 jcamins gmcharlt: please kick tweetbot`
13:13 samuel kf:http://pastebin.com/SHkmJtZq --->item records
13:13 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
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13:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 oleonard Cool it tweetbot`
13:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:11 samuel kf:http://pastebin.com/acCXDMVb --->example of my bibliographic records
13:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8693 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name
13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Longer size text for authorised values "lib"
13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Biblio::GetBiblio is badly coded
13:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8709 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Subfield 0 does not show in MARC detail in intranet
13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8717 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Wrong subscription notes are showing in catalogue detail view of serials in staff client
13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3782 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , delivered z39.50 targets wrong for NY Public Library and NY University Library
13:11 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 8627 Followup for removing tabs
13:11 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 8627 Fixing pipe values in controlfield 008 authorities
13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8275 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , xml parsing error when the webservice GetPatronInfo/show_loans is called
13:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8693 - Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name
13:11 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: bug 8757 follow-up DBRev number
13:11 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8757: longer descriptions for authorised values
13:11 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 4321: clean C4::Biblio::GetBiblio and uses
13:11 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8709: Subfield 0 does not show in MARC detail in intranet
13:11 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 8717 - Wrong subscription notes are showing in catalogue detail view of serials in staff client
13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8336 major, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP Server does not process renewal transaction correctly
13:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3782: Remove broken z39.50 targets from sample files
13:11 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8275: xml parsing error when the webservice GetPatronInfo/show_loans is called
13:11 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8336 follow-up, tabs to space
13:11 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8336 Support Sip Renewal Transaction
13:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #838: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/838/
13:08 samuel kf: i will paste an extract of my files
13:06 samuel oups, i think i've not understood at the beginning. I thought i have to add 995 field in my bibliographic records and then, match on it.
13:05 kf and you could build a matching rule on htat
13:05 kf that would be indexed as Control-number
13:05 kf for example you could put the same number in the bibliographic record and the item record both in 001 field
13:04 kf by zebra
13:04 kf that is indexed
13:04 kf but you have to be careful to choose a good field to match on
13:04 kf yes
13:04 samuel kf:ok so... when i import item records, i choose the matching rule i've created
13:03 kf do you have a record number in 001 or something like this to match them on?
13:03 kf what do you want to match the data on?
13:03 kf what is important is that for 2. you need a key to match on
13:03 samuel ok
13:02 kf 2. import the item records, don't overlay the bibliographic part but attach the items
13:01 samuel kf: i've not many choice with the data i have
13:01 kf wait for everything to be reindexed
13:01 kf 1. import bibliographic records into the catalog
13:01 kf if that is correct what I would do is:
13:01 kf I understood that you want to import bibliographic records and items in 2 batches
13:00 kf m
13:00 kf h
12:58 samuel i've set up matching rules but i've not selected it
12:58 samuel kf: it's the Stage MARC records for import
12:57 kf have you set up matching rules? did you select one of those from the pull down?
12:57 kf samuel: is that the stagingor managing screen?
12:49 samuel kf:http://pastebin.com/0Hjv352Z --->it's for my bibliographic records
12:42 * jcamins switched the XSLTs to curly braces at a time when he was using ICU exclusively.
12:42 jcamins Zebra doesn't use curly braces without ICU enabled, though, so it has to be togglable.
12:41 jcamins Hence the braces.
12:41 jcamins ICU breaks double quotes.
12:41 khall excellent, thanks!
12:41 jcamins khall: you don't have ICU on, so, none.
12:40 khall that works, what are the repurcussion of turning off icu?
12:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8714 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Poorly ordered and triggers warning in marctagstructure.pl
12:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8705 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error on help of main page
12:39 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8714 - Poorly ordered and triggers warning in marctagstructure.pl
12:39 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8705: Software error on help of main page
12:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #179: SUCCESS in 1 hr 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/179/
12:38 khall I'll try that
12:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8783 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Parentheses not escaped properly in queries when using XSLT
12:37 jcamins khall: I'd suggest just setting UseICU to "don't" (re: bug 8783). Escaping parentheses tends to break oddly.
12:36 tcohen hi mtompset
12:36 samuel mtompset: yes, exotic situation
12:36 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
12:36 mtompset Ah, okay. this was the person who had the UNIMARC import in two parts.
12:36 samuel kf: yes, a screenshot would be more easy
12:35 kf maybe a screenshot of how you staged the records?
12:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Passed QA , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
12:35 paul_p mtompset yep. Playing with bug 8597 ;-)
12:35 kf samuel: can you give all your steps when uploading and staging?
12:35 mtompset paul_p, you around?
12:34 samuel hi, i come back with my items problem: i've created matching rules but the problem stay the same.
12:34 santy_ If I have to, then ill write a howto
12:33 mtompset You're welcome.
12:33 mtompset Sorry for the not so great news.
12:33 santy_ ok thanks mtompset
12:32 mtompset But that was for 6.2
12:32 mtompset The CentOS page I linked you to has tackled some of those headaches.
12:32 santy_ ok, I'll find out
12:32 mtompset Then you have the headaches of getting the dependencies.
12:31 mtompset I think perlbrew/homebrew or something might come into play.
12:31 mtompset If they insist on CentOS 5.8, you would have to upgrade the perl.
12:31 mtompset That being said, the install instructions http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze work with little variation under Ubuntu.
12:30 santy_ ok... should my client insist on installing on centos 5.8, which koha version could possibly fully work?
12:29 mtompset More developers here use Debian.
12:29 santy_ yea I understand
12:29 mtompset Yes, yes... I poorly worded that.
12:29 oleonard It's not fair to say "If you want support, use Debian" That makes it sound like it's all or nothing.
12:29 mtompset If you use ubuntu, you will get support, but it won't be at the same level.
12:28 santy_ ah ok, good to know
12:28 mtompset More people here can support you with that.
12:28 mtompset If you want support, use Debian.
12:27 santy_ would you recommend ubuntukoha?
12:27 mtompset But it is not the official recommendation.
12:27 mtompset Ubuntu will work (I use it).
12:27 mtompset Ubuntu is a debian-based OS, but Debian is the recommended OS.
12:27 santy_ ok, to use a debian system
12:26 mtompset santy_: I said DEBIAN.
12:26 santy_ ok, I will have to convince the gvmnt agency then... to use ubuntukoha, it'll be hard...
12:25 mtompset No, Debian is the recommended OS.
12:25 santy_ nor RedHat?
12:25 mtompset So, your mileage may vary.
12:24 mtompset Also, CentOS is NOT a recommended or supported OS.
12:24 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386
12:24 mtompset 6.3 has 5.10
12:24 mtompset 5.8 only has 5.8.8
12:24 mtompset Koha 3.6 and higher requires perl 5.10
12:23 santy_ gush! why not? is there a specific reason?
12:23 mtompset There is a wiki page for 6.2 which should work for 6.3 too
12:23 mtompset santy_: Don't install on 5.8
12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
12:14 santy_ Hi everybody!... I have to install koha on centos 5.8 64bit and would also like to make a howto on that. Does anyone know about a good guide (centos/redhat 5) to start with? I searched but could only find the fedora 7 guide in the wiki.
12:10 liw who what me? I deny everything
12:01 jcamins I'm commenting to mtj that he could've figured it out based on when it was. ;)
12:00 jcamins mtompset: I know.
12:00 mtompset It's Lars and Galen.
12:00 mtompset I did the git blame.
12:00 jcamins That was back during the 3.2 release cycle. I don't think eythian was around yet.
11:59 mtj its lars or robin, for sure
11:57 kf he was RM back then
11:56 mtompset And Galen Charlton
11:56 mtompset Ah... Lars W.
11:54 kf git blame -L start,endline file
11:54 mtompset I don't know how to use git blame.
11:54 mtompset But I could be totally wrong.
11:54 kf git blame can tell you
11:53 mtompset I suspect it is from our friend eythian.
11:52 jcamins mtompset: yeah, I love that comment.
11:52 kf heh
11:51 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Why you should read source code" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/185
11:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #838 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago)
11:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 8627 Followup for removing tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=55d4fa2886e7f786327acc2b055c01a4bebd8ab5> / 8627 Fixing pipe values in controlfield 008 authorities <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b3ab13c3db25f583ac537ab234e825a8ad94e09> / Bug 8693 - Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=
11:19 * mtompset smirks, "It doesn't handle GD very well" ;)
11:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , replace 'install_misc/debian.packages' file with 'koha-debian-deps.pl' script
11:18 mtompset I only looked in the debian directory because of bug 8402.
11:14 jcamins mtompset: No, I didn't do the Debian packaging.
11:13 mtompset It looks like it could be a perl precursor to check_deps.sh
11:12 mtompset Hmmm... jcamins, did you know about debian/list-deps?
11:02 jcamins I think he appreciates me getting up early.
11:00 jcamins You're right.
11:00 jcamins lol
11:00 drojf aaaw
11:00 wahanui i heard ^^ Myshkin was a cat genius.
11:00 jcamins ^^ Myshkin
11:00 jcamins https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/564211_936299431519_656865637_n.jpg
11:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #179 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
11:00 magnuse kf: :-)
10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8420 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , tool statisticfines.pl(bz 6858) and hourly loan(bz5549)
10:59 jenkins_koha fridolyn.somers: Bug 8420: tool statisticfines.pl(bz 6858) and hourly loan(bz5549)
10:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #178: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/178/
10:59 kf magnuse: that is a bit weird.
10:52 mtompset 3 dogs.
10:52 mtompset Oh.
10:51 magnuse 73. on 3 dogs
10:51 mtompset 72 toes?!
10:43 kf yep
10:43 drojf cats are always one step ahead. they know where you would like to go before you know it. and love to sleep exactly there
10:39 jcamins Well, exercise ball.
10:39 jcamins There's a cat asleep right where I would like to put my chair.
10:39 magnuse jcamins: 73, one of them has 7 on one foot
10:38 magnuse yup, pretty perfect allround, in fact :-)
10:38 jcamins Perfect for traveling. :)
10:37 drojf Dogs of this breed are able to bend their head backwards along their own spine and turn their forelegs to the side at a 90-degree horizontal angle to their body, much like human arms. Their pricked, upright ears can be folded shut to form a near-tight seal by folding forward or backward.
10:37 jcamins lol
10:37 jcamins Fold... dogs together?
10:37 drojf special neck, special ears, less teeth...
10:36 drojf german wikipedia makes it sound like you can fold them together quite nicely
10:36 kf three toes?
10:36 drojf lol
10:36 jcamins At least 72 toes!
10:35 * magnuse has three
10:35 magnuse yup :-)
10:35 drojf crazy norwegian dogs :)
10:35 magnuse drojf: sometimes they have 7
10:32 drojf magnuse: at least??
10:32 kf maybe I am persuaded now that this is not a totally bad idea
10:31 kf ok
10:31 kf oh
10:31 jcamins The problem is that he likes sitting on my lap, and his claws are so sharp that he draws blood just sitting there.
10:31 magnuse jcamins: count yourself lucky it's not a puffindog - they have at least 6 toes on each foot :-)
10:30 jcamins It's just a lot of rolling around on the floor.
10:30 jcamins He's very good.
10:30 jcamins No, Myshkin doesn't scratch.
10:30 kf drojf: want to bet on the scratches jcamins will get before paw 2 is done? :)
10:29 jcamins lol
10:29 drojf wow. don't cut the whole paw!
10:29 drojf heh
10:29 jcamins One paw done!
10:27 * kf is on Myshkin's sidein this
10:24 * kf had to look that up first
10:24 drojf lol
10:24 jcamins Why do you think he has 20 daggers for evisceration?
10:24 jcamins We have a scratching post.
10:24 drojf don't you have some nice furniture that he could trim his nails on all by himself?
10:23 kf whatever? whatever.
10:23 kf or however the correct translation for thos things is
10:23 kf maybe invest in a scratching post :)
10:23 kf see
10:23 jcamins Probably not.
10:23 jcamins lol
10:23 kf would you?
10:23 jcamins He just won't keep still.
10:22 kf probably she is bribing him
10:22 jcamins I don't know how Shari does it.
10:18 kf :)
10:18 kf if you keep using one hand for typing, probably
10:18 jcamins This is going to take all morning.
10:18 mtompset what is this debian/control thing of which I am reading?
10:18 jcamins Three.
10:16 jcamins Two!
10:15 kf oh
10:15 jcamins Yup.
10:15 kf one nail?
10:13 jcamins That's one, at least.
10:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Missing dependencies for Debian package
10:13 jcamins bug 7409
10:13 mtompset 7409?
10:12 mtompset which bug?
10:12 kf you should rethink that plan then
10:12 jcamins Myshkin does not want his nails trimmed.
10:11 jcamins mtompset: there's already a bug.
10:10 mtompset BTW, jcamins, I was checking out debian.packages and it is lacking a few things. Looks like another bug report based on check_deps.sh output again. :)
10:07 mtompset anyone? ;)
10:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8780 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
10:07 mtompset bug 8780
10:02 magnuse heh
10:01 jcamins magnuse: most of the pruning was done last night. This morning I don't particularly feel like finishing the job.
10:00 magnuse sounds dangerous, so early in the morning
09:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #178 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:55 jcamins 99.
09:54 jcamins I'm down to 100 branches.
09:54 jcamins I'm pruning my git repo.
09:54 jcamins Hehe.
09:53 kf jcamins: yep, you have to upload 2 patches
09:53 kf heh
09:51 magnuse ;-)
09:51 magnuse please proceed
09:50 magnuse ok, no reason to not hack koha, then!
09:45 jcamins I went to bed early last night. I got a good 7 hours of sleep.
09:45 magnuse quarter to 6? yeah, go back to bed and count bugs or something :-)
09:43 kf and go back to sleep ;)
09:43 kf good morning jcamins
09:43 jcamins Then I was awake.
09:43 jcamins magnuse: it started pouring and woke me up. Since our blinds are made of paper, I decided to get up and check that the rain wasn't blowing in through the windows.
09:41 magnuse hiya jcamins - another early morning?
09:37 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
09:14 kf hi paul_p
09:01 paul_p (forgot to launch xchat this morning...)
09:01 paul_p hello
09:01 mtompset Bonjour. :)
09:01 mtompset If only samuel was here now, you might have been able to help him, paul_p. :)
08:46 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL â–¸ Top stories today via @kohails @OverDriveLibs"
08:07 samuel i understand, don't worry
08:05 mtompset I couldn't help, even if I wanted to. :(
08:04 mtompset Sorry, I have no experience with UNIMARC at all.
08:03 samuel mtompset: yes
08:03 kf sorry, I have to go to a meeting
08:03 mtompset 995? UNIMARC?
08:02 kf and it needs to have the same value in both bibliographic and item records
08:02 kf you need to pick a field that is indexed
08:02 kf hm, I don't think that will work
07:59 samuel i have 995 field in my bibliographic records and 995 field in my items records
07:53 kf if you have not set up one, that' sprobably why you can't select the option to match
07:53 kf you need to deifne a matching rule for what you are trying to do
07:53 kf samuel: yes, but what are you matching on?
07:52 samuel mtompset: yes, that's the situation
07:52 mtompset because the items were in a separate file.
07:52 mtompset so basically, you have a working koha, but if you search for a biblio, it has no items.
07:51 samuel kf: my files are in marc
07:51 kf so the system knows what to link
07:51 kf so you need a field in both the bilbiographic imported records and the same field in the items that match
07:51 kf I wonder why you can't change the setting - you shoudl be able to - but only after selecting a mjatch point
07:50 mtompset Take backup copies. :)
07:50 samuel kf: i use 3.8
07:50 samuel mtompset: join tool, why not, i'll try it :-)
07:50 kf samuel: and which version of Koha are you looking at?
07:50 kf samuel: how are you trying to match them? in which format is the file you are trying to import?
07:49 kf samuel: hm
07:49 mtompset Have you used MarcEdit before? I haven't tried the Join tool, but it may be what you need.
07:46 * mtompset steps aside for some expert to answer, because I don't know a simple solution.
07:45 samuel it would be logic to have both in one file
07:45 samuel i have not choice, our old ils separate bibliographic and items
07:45 samuel when i am in stage marc records for import, the item "record matching rule" is fixed on "do not looking for matching records". I can't choose another solution. That would may be the reason i can't link bib and items records? I've not tested with bulkmarcimport for the moment.
07:44 mtompset You split them, which seems strange to me.
07:44 mtompset Should not the items be in the same MARC file that is staged initially?
07:44 samuel now, as our items are in another table, we want now import them but something is not clear for me....
07:43 samuel so, we have first made an import of our bibliographic records....
07:42 kf how are you trying to do it?
07:41 samuel question: we have problems to import items and link them with bibliographics records.
07:40 mtompset Greetings, drojf and samuel
07:40 samuel hi everybody
07:39 drojf good morning #koha
07:25 rangi hi mtompset, magnuse and kf
07:25 kf hi rangi
07:25 kf hi magnuse
07:25 mtompset Greetings, kf. :)
07:25 magnuse kia ora rangi
07:22 mtompset Evening, rangi.
07:19 rangi evening
07:15 mtompset (that was not really an option)
07:15 mtompset If we want to rework solr to be moo-based instead, we can do that, and still have compatibility.
07:14 magnuse good plan
07:14 mtompset this means we do go forward with plak and moose, we've got code that will transport well.
07:14 mtompset All of them have a forward compatible with Moose syntax capability, and so I'm pretty sure the consensus in the discussion was that we should stick with Moose-like syntax.
07:13 magnuse ah yes
07:13 mtompset Which is why we were also discussing Mouse and Moo.
07:11 magnuse yeah, there's no doubt that (a) moose is a big beast :-)
07:05 mtompset I can't recall, but someone posted a few benchmarks.
07:05 magnuse or so i gather
07:05 magnuse yeah, you would not want that without plack or something like it
07:05 mtompset The load times for Moose are... bad.
07:04 mtompset Well, I haven't formed an opinion based on experience, just on what I have read.
07:04 * magnuse concludes that mtompset is not a fan of moose
06:47 mtompset And if you end up installing Moose... so help you.
06:47 mtompset But you don't need to.
06:47 mtompset Then install them as they become apparent.
06:47 mbalmer ah, ok, thanks!
06:47 mtompset So, mbalmer, if you wish to figure out what dependencies are missing, you can use: perl -e "use {module}; print {module}->VERSION,\"\n\";"
06:44 reiveune hello
06:42 julian_m hello mtompset
06:42 mtompset ^got^git^
06:42 * mtompset dislikes got cloning a fresh copy.
06:41 mtompset greetings, julian_m
06:41 julian_m hello
06:39 mbalmer haha, well, because it is very true, as it is for most software systems of a certain complexity. just look at the bug database, there for sure are many bugs around. no one should feel bad about that. it's just an obvious fact.
06:39 mtompset Only if they read the IRC logs or are intentionally lurking, mtj. ;)
06:38 mtj mbalmer, yeah that one… why say something that makes everyone feel bad?
06:37 mtompset But it really isn't "missing".
06:37 mtompset That should trigger the error on the missing dependency.
06:36 mtompset perl -e "use {module}; print {module}->VERSION,\"\n\";"
06:36 mbalmer mtj, the one about bugs?
06:35 mtj mbalmer, no, the statement *after* that statement… whats your point?
06:34 mbalmer mtj, my point is that it is annoying to see these red bars when Koha is actually lying to us about missing modules. It triggers an "alert" in every conscious sysadmins brain….
06:32 mtompset Let me see if I can recall the "perl -e" command line to trigger a version number, and the errors which led me down this path.
06:31 mtompset I suspect if you install "Log::Any" "Moose" "Hash::MoreUtils" "Carp::Assert" "Data::UUID" and "Time::Duration::Parse" (things I had to install to get the CHI and CHI::Driver::Memcached to display a version number correctly) it may fix your problem... but unless you are going to use Solar... DON'T INSTALL MOOSE!
06:29 * mtompset mumbles something about "Moose" under his breath.
06:29 mtj mbalmer, whats your point?
06:29 mtompset It's not a bug in Koha. It's a bug in the installed dependencies which prevent it from properly reporting the version number.
06:26 cait and we can fix all the bugz :)
06:26 cait there are many bugs in every software...
06:25 mbalmer but then, there are many bugs in Koha ;)
06:25 mbalmer yes, it is a bug.
06:24 mtj if ive got D::P installed, and koha says its not… its a bug, surely?
06:23 mtj … still sounds like a bug, to me
06:20 mtompset bonjour, alex_a
06:20 mtompset And as far as I know, it is OPTIONAL.
06:20 mtompset Data::Paginator is for Solr stuff.
06:20 mtompset Exactly.
06:20 cait mbalmer: you can ignore it unless you want to use solr I think
06:19 mbalmer well, perl Makefile.PL shows no missing modules. So I have no idea what is missing here.
06:19 mtompset I can't remember how I tracked them down, but I remember doing so recently.
06:19 mtompset I don't know why you would need these optional sub-dependencies, but seemingly you do to get a version number out of it.
06:18 mtompset mblamer... there are sub-dependencies which cause this to be the case.
06:18 mbalmer same for a few other modules.
06:18 mbalmer bonjour alex_a
06:18 cait hi alex_a :)
06:18 mbalmer cpan on my machine says Data::Paginator is up to date (0.05), yet in the Koha about page, the Perl modules listing, it is listed in red as Not Installed.
06:18 alex_a cait, mbalmer, mtompset \o
06:17 alex_a bonjour tout le monde !
06:11 cait morning mbalmer
06:11 mbalmer good morning!
06:08 mtompset Greetings, mbalmer.
06:08 cait but not today.
06:08 cait again.
06:08 cait mtompset: yeah...
06:06 magnuse hiya mbalmer
05:58 mtompset Is this still accurate?
05:58 wahanui kf should be writing slides
05:58 mtompset slides?
05:53 cait :)
05:43 magnuse kia ora cait!
05:43 magnuse fine thanks, mtompset
05:40 cait morning magnuse :)
05:39 mtompset I'm about to test a patch to lower DateTime::TimeZone version number to 1.20
05:39 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. How are you?
05:38 * magnuse waves
05:02 phlunk tx again mtj and also, 5pm!! ;) cyas
04:54 mtompset Now back to testing doc on Debian git.
04:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8780 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
04:54 mtompset Oops... bug 8780
04:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=780 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, problems with koha upgrade script
04:54 mtompset mtj, I got a reply from Colin and have just posted a bug 780. :)
04:53 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
04:53 * mtompset grumbles about a netbook with only 2GB of ram trying to operate like a workstation.
04:13 cait hi mtompset
04:13 mtompset Greetings, mtj cait etc. :)
03:54 mtj sweet azz bruv ;)
03:53 phlunk thanks mtj
03:40 mtj phlunk -> http://template-toolkit.org/
03:23 phlunk hey, I am just wanting to make some small changes to the koha rss output, can anyone tell me the name of the format the .tt template files are made in? trying to find out if I can add some logic in there so I don't need to adjust anything but the templates.
03:13 mtompset wajasu: You there?
03:12 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
02:05 wajasu i think its my VM builder script. i haven't build one since early august, and maybe i am pulling a newer one from sqeeze main I'm trying squeeze-dev main now.
00:47 jcamins It sure does.
00:29 wajasu he has me cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil. its got alot of stuff. (Moose and friends)
00:28 wajasu thx
00:28 wajasu i see.
00:25 jcamins It's something that should probably be changed, but in practice it's pretty uncommon to run koha-create, *then* an update, without ever using the instance.
00:24 jcamins It has nothing to do with the patch.
00:24 jcamins No, that's always done.
00:24 wajasu can he run updatedatabase.pl in the koha-common ? maybe he is doing a post-installl step.
00:11 jcamins_mib But you are done for the day, so you can do that tomorrow. :)
00:10 jcamins_mib Okay, yeah, you can just go through the webinstaller as usual. No problems yet.
00:10 jcamins_mib wajasu: the route to my VPS went down in flames, so I'll respond once I check the logs and know if you figured out your problem.