Time  Nick           Message
00:10 jcamins_mib    wajasu: the route to my VPS went down in flames, so I'll respond once I check the logs and know if you figured out your problem.
00:10 jcamins_mib    Okay, yeah, you can just go through the webinstaller as usual. No problems yet.
00:11 jcamins_mib    But you are done for the day, so you can do that tomorrow. :)
00:24 wajasu         can he run updatedatabase.pl  in the koha-common ?  maybe he is doing a post-installl step.
00:24 jcamins        No, that's always done.
00:24 jcamins        It has nothing to do with the patch.
00:25 jcamins        It's something that should probably be changed, but in practice it's pretty uncommon to run koha-create, *then* an update, without ever using the instance.
00:28 wajasu         i see.
00:28 wajasu         thx
00:29 wajasu         he has me cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil.   its got alot of stuff. (Moose and friends)
00:47 jcamins        It sure does.
02:05 wajasu         i think its my VM builder script.  i haven't build one since early august, and maybe i am pulling a newer one from  sqeeze main  I'm trying squeeze-dev  main  now.
03:12 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
03:13 mtompset       wajasu: You there?
03:23 phlunk         hey, I am just wanting to make some small changes to the koha rss output, can anyone tell me the name of the format the .tt template files are made in? trying to find out if I can add some logic in there so I don't need to adjust anything but the templates.
03:40 mtj            phlunk -> http://template-toolkit.org/
03:53 phlunk         thanks mtj
03:54 mtj            sweet azz bruv ;)
04:13 mtompset       Greetings, mtj cait etc. :)
04:13 cait           hi mtompset
04:53 * mtompset     grumbles about a netbook with only 2GB of ram trying to operate like a workstation.
04:53 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
04:54 mtompset       mtj, I got a reply from Colin and have just posted a bug 780. :)
04:54 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=780 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, problems with koha upgrade script
04:54 mtompset       Oops... bug 8780
04:54 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8780 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
04:54 mtompset       Now back to testing doc on Debian git.
05:02 phlunk         tx again mtj and also, 5pm!! ;) cyas
05:38 * magnuse      waves
05:39 mtompset       Greetings, magnuse. How are you?
05:39 mtompset       I'm about to test a patch to lower DateTime::TimeZone version number to 1.20
05:40 cait           morning magnuse :)
05:43 magnuse        fine thanks, mtompset
05:43 magnuse        kia ora cait!
05:53 cait           :)
05:58 mtompset       slides?
05:58 wahanui        kf should be writing slides
05:58 mtompset       Is this still accurate?
06:06 magnuse        hiya mbalmer
06:08 cait           mtompset: yeah...
06:08 cait           again.
06:08 cait           but not today.
06:08 mtompset       Greetings, mbalmer.
06:11 mbalmer        good morning!
06:11 cait           morning mbalmer
06:17 alex_a         bonjour tout le monde !
06:18 alex_a         cait, mbalmer, mtompset \o
06:18 mbalmer        cpan on my machine says Data::Paginator is up to date (0.05), yet in the Koha about page, the Perl modules listing, it is listed in red as Not Installed.
06:18 cait           hi alex_a :)
06:18 mbalmer        bonjour alex_a
06:18 mbalmer        same for a few other modules.
06:18 mtompset       mblamer... there are sub-dependencies which cause this to be the case.
06:19 mtompset       I don't know why you would need these optional sub-dependencies, but seemingly you do to get a version number out of it.
06:19 mtompset       I can't remember how I tracked them down, but I remember doing so recently.
06:19 mbalmer        well, perl Makefile.PL shows no missing modules.  So I have no idea what is missing here.
06:20 cait           mbalmer: you can ignore it unless you want to use solr I think
06:20 mtompset       Exactly.
06:20 mtompset       Data::Paginator is for Solr stuff.
06:20 mtompset       And as far as I know, it is OPTIONAL.
06:20 mtompset       bonjour, alex_a
06:23 mtj            … still sounds like a bug, to me
06:24 mtj            if ive got D::P installed, and koha says its not… its a bug, surely?
06:25 mbalmer        yes, it is a bug.
06:25 mbalmer        but then, there are many bugs in Koha ;)
06:26 cait           there are many bugs in every software...
06:26 cait           and we can fix all the bugz :)
06:29 mtompset       It's not a bug in Koha. It's a bug in the installed dependencies which prevent it from properly reporting the version number.
06:29 mtj            mbalmer, whats your point?
06:29 * mtompset     mumbles something about "Moose" under his breath.
06:31 mtompset       I suspect if you install "Log::Any" "Moose" "Hash::MoreUtils" "Carp::Assert" "Data::UUID" and "Time::Duration::Parse" (things I had to install to get the CHI and CHI::Driver::Memcached to display a version number correctly) it may fix your problem... but unless you are going to use Solar... DON'T INSTALL MOOSE!
06:32 mtompset       Let me see if I can recall the "perl -e" command line to trigger a version number, and the errors which led me down this path.
06:34 mbalmer        mtj, my point is that it is annoying to see these red bars when Koha is actually lying to us about missing modules.  It triggers an "alert" in every conscious sysadmins brain….
06:35 mtj            mbalmer, no, the statement *after* that statement… whats your point?
06:36 mbalmer        mtj, the one about bugs?
06:36 mtompset       perl -e "use {module}; print {module}->VERSION,\"\n\";"
06:37 mtompset       That should trigger the error on the missing dependency.
06:37 mtompset       But it really isn't "missing".
06:38 mtj            mbalmer, yeah that one… why say something that makes everyone feel bad?
06:39 mtompset       Only if they read the IRC logs or are intentionally lurking, mtj. ;)
06:39 mbalmer        haha, well, because it is very true, as it is for most software systems of a certain complexity.  just look at the bug database, there for sure are many bugs around.  no one should feel bad about that.  it's just an obvious fact.
06:41 julian_m       hello
06:41 mtompset       greetings, julian_m
06:42 * mtompset     dislikes got cloning a fresh copy.
06:42 mtompset       ^got^git^
06:42 julian_m       hello mtompset
06:44 reiveune       hello
06:47 mtompset       So, mbalmer, if you wish to figure out what dependencies are missing, you can use: perl -e "use {module}; print {module}->VERSION,\"\n\";"
06:47 mbalmer        ah, ok, thanks!
06:47 mtompset       Then install them as they become apparent.
06:47 mtompset       But you don't need to.
06:47 mtompset       And if you end up installing Moose... so help you.
07:04 * magnuse      concludes that mtompset is not a fan of moose
07:04 mtompset       Well, I haven't formed an opinion based on experience, just on what I have read.
07:05 mtompset       The load times for Moose are... bad.
07:05 magnuse        yeah, you would not want that without plack or something like it
07:05 magnuse        or so i gather
07:05 mtompset       I can't recall, but someone posted a few benchmarks.
07:11 magnuse        yeah, there's no doubt that (a) moose is a big beast :-)
07:13 mtompset       Which is why we were also discussing Mouse and Moo.
07:13 magnuse        ah yes
07:14 mtompset       All of them have a forward compatible with Moose syntax capability, and so I'm pretty sure the consensus in the discussion was that we should stick with Moose-like syntax.
07:14 mtompset       this means we do go forward with plak and moose, we've got code that will transport well.
07:14 magnuse        good plan
07:15 mtompset       If we want to rework solr to be moo-based instead, we can do that, and still have compatibility.
07:15 mtompset       (that was not really an option)
07:19 rangi          evening
07:22 mtompset       Evening, rangi.
07:25 magnuse        kia ora rangi
07:25 mtompset       Greetings, kf. :)
07:25 kf             hi magnuse
07:25 kf             hi rangi
07:25 rangi          hi mtompset, magnuse and kf
07:39 drojf          good morning #koha
07:40 samuel         hi everybody
07:40 mtompset       Greetings, drojf and samuel
07:41 samuel         question: we have problems to import items and link them with bibliographics records.
07:42 kf             how are you trying to do it?
07:43 samuel         so, we have first made an import of our bibliographic records....
07:44 samuel         now, as our items are in another table, we want now import them but something is not clear for me....
07:44 mtompset       Should not the items be in the same MARC file that is staged initially?
07:44 mtompset       You split them, which seems strange to me.
07:45 samuel         when i am in stage marc records for import, the item "record matching rule" is fixed on "do not looking for matching records". I can't choose another solution. That would may be the reason i can't link bib and items records? I've not tested with bulkmarcimport for the moment.
07:45 samuel         i have not choice, our old ils separate bibliographic and items
07:45 samuel         it would be logic to have both in one file
07:46 * mtompset     steps aside for some expert to answer, because I don't know a simple solution.
07:49 mtompset       Have you used MarcEdit before? I haven't tried the Join tool, but it may be what you need.
07:49 kf             samuel: hm
07:50 kf             samuel: how are you trying to match them? in which format is the file you are trying to import?
07:50 kf             samuel: and which version of Koha are you looking at?
07:50 samuel         mtompset: join tool, why not, i'll try it :-)
07:50 samuel         kf: i use 3.8
07:50 mtompset       Take backup copies. :)
07:51 kf             I wonder why you can't change the setting - you shoudl be able to - but only after selecting a mjatch point
07:51 kf             so you need a field in both the bilbiographic imported records and the same field in the items that match
07:51 kf             so the system knows what to link
07:51 samuel         kf: my files are in marc
07:52 mtompset       so basically, you have a working koha, but if you search for a biblio, it has no items.
07:52 mtompset       because the items were in a separate file.
07:52 samuel         mtompset: yes, that's the situation
07:53 kf             samuel: yes, but what are you matching on?
07:53 kf             you need to deifne a matching rule for what you are trying to do
07:53 kf             if you have not set up one, that' sprobably why you can't select the option to match
07:59 samuel         i have 995 field in my bibliographic records and 995 field in my items records
08:02 kf             hm, I don't think that will work
08:02 kf             you need to pick a field that is indexed
08:02 kf             and it needs to have the same value in both bibliographic and item records
08:03 mtompset       995? UNIMARC?
08:03 kf             sorry, I have to go to a meeting
08:03 samuel         mtompset: yes
08:04 mtompset       Sorry, I have no experience with UNIMARC at all.
08:05 mtompset       I couldn't help, even if I wanted to. :(
08:07 samuel         i understand, don't worry
08:46 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL â–¸ Top stories today via @kohails @OverDriveLibs"
09:01 mtompset       If only samuel was here now, you might have been able to help him, paul_p. :)
09:01 mtompset       Bonjour. :)
09:01 paul_p         hello
09:01 paul_p         (forgot to launch xchat this morning...)
09:14 kf             hi paul_p
09:37 jcamins        Good morning, #koha.
09:41 magnuse        hiya jcamins - another early morning?
09:43 jcamins        magnuse: it started pouring and woke me up. Since our blinds are made of paper, I decided to get up and check that the rain wasn't blowing in through the windows.
09:43 jcamins        Then I was awake.
09:43 kf             good morning jcamins
09:43 kf             and go back to sleep ;)
09:45 magnuse        quarter to 6? yeah, go back to bed and count bugs or something :-)
09:45 jcamins        I went to bed early last night. I got a good 7 hours of sleep.
09:50 magnuse        ok, no reason to not hack koha, then!
09:51 magnuse        please proceed
09:51 magnuse        ;-)
09:53 kf             heh
09:53 kf             jcamins: yep, you have to upload 2 patches
09:54 jcamins        Hehe.
09:54 jcamins        I'm pruning my git repo.
09:54 jcamins        I'm down to 100 branches.
09:55 jcamins        99.
09:56 jenkins_koha   Starting build #178 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:00 magnuse        sounds dangerous, so early in the morning
10:01 jcamins        magnuse: most of the pruning was done last night. This morning I don't particularly feel like finishing the job.
10:02 magnuse        heh
10:07 mtompset       bug 8780
10:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8780 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone
10:07 mtompset       anyone? ;)
10:10 mtompset       BTW, jcamins, I was checking out debian.packages and it is lacking a few things. Looks like another bug report based on check_deps.sh output again. :)
10:11 jcamins        mtompset: there's already a bug.
10:12 jcamins        Myshkin does not want his nails trimmed.
10:12 kf             you should rethink that plan then
10:12 mtompset       which bug?
10:13 mtompset       7409?
10:13 jcamins        bug 7409
10:13 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Missing dependencies for Debian package
10:13 jcamins        That's one, at least.
10:15 kf             one nail?
10:15 jcamins        Yup.
10:15 kf             oh
10:16 jcamins        Two!
10:18 jcamins        Three.
10:18 mtompset       what is this debian/control thing of which I am reading?
10:18 jcamins        This is going to take all morning.
10:18 kf             if you keep using one hand for typing, probably
10:18 kf             :)
10:22 jcamins        I don't know how Shari does it.
10:22 kf             probably she is bribing him
10:23 jcamins        He just won't keep still.
10:23 kf             would you?
10:23 jcamins        lol
10:23 jcamins        Probably not.
10:23 kf             see
10:23 kf             maybe invest in a scratching post :)
10:23 kf             or however the correct translation for thos things is
10:23 kf             whatever? whatever.
10:24 drojf          don't you have some nice furniture that he could trim his nails on all by himself?
10:24 jcamins        We have a scratching post.
10:24 jcamins        Why do you think he has 20 daggers for evisceration?
10:24 drojf          lol
10:24 * kf           had to look that up first
10:27 * kf           is on Myshkin's sidein this
10:29 jcamins        One paw done!
10:29 drojf          heh
10:29 drojf          wow. don't cut the whole paw!
10:29 jcamins        lol
10:30 kf             drojf: want to bet on the scratches jcamins will get before paw 2 is done? :)
10:30 jcamins        No, Myshkin doesn't scratch.
10:30 jcamins        He's very good.
10:30 jcamins        It's just a lot of rolling around on the floor.
10:31 magnuse        jcamins: count yourself lucky it's not a puffindog - they have at least 6 toes on each foot :-)
10:31 jcamins        The problem is that he likes sitting on my lap, and his claws are so sharp that he draws blood just sitting there.
10:31 kf             oh
10:31 kf             ok
10:32 kf             maybe I am persuaded now that this is not a totally bad idea
10:32 drojf          magnuse: at least??
10:35 magnuse        drojf: sometimes they have 7
10:35 drojf          crazy norwegian dogs :)
10:35 magnuse        yup :-)
10:35 * magnuse      has three
10:36 jcamins        At least 72 toes!
10:36 drojf          lol
10:36 kf             three toes?
10:36 drojf          german wikipedia makes it sound like you can fold them together quite nicely
10:37 drojf          special neck, special ears, less teeth...
10:37 jcamins        Fold... dogs together?
10:37 jcamins        lol
10:37 drojf          Dogs of this breed are able to bend their head backwards along their own spine and turn their forelegs to the side at a 90-degree horizontal angle to their body, much like human arms. Their pricked, upright ears can be folded shut to form a near-tight seal by folding forward or backward.
10:38 jcamins        Perfect for traveling. :)
10:38 magnuse        yup, pretty perfect allround, in fact :-)
10:39 magnuse        jcamins: 73, one of them has 7 on one foot
10:39 jcamins        There's a cat asleep right where I would like to put my chair.
10:39 jcamins        Well, exercise ball.
10:43 drojf          cats are always one step ahead. they know where you would like to go before you know it. and love to sleep exactly there
10:43 kf             yep
10:51 mtompset       72 toes?!
10:51 magnuse        73. on 3 dogs
10:52 mtompset       Oh.
10:52 mtompset       3 dogs.
10:59 kf             magnuse: that is a bit weird.
10:59 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #178: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/178/
10:59 jenkins_koha   fridolyn.somers: Bug 8420: tool statisticfines.pl(bz 6858) and hourly loan(bz5549)
10:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8420 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , tool statisticfines.pl(bz 6858) and hourly loan(bz5549)
11:00 magnuse        kf: :-)
11:00 jenkins_koha   Starting build #179 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
11:00 jcamins        https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/564211_936299431519_656865637_n.jpg
11:00 jcamins        ^^ Myshkin
11:00 wahanui        i heard ^^ Myshkin was a cat genius.
11:00 drojf          aaaw
11:00 jcamins        lol
11:00 jcamins        You're right.
11:02 jcamins        I think he appreciates me getting up early.
11:12 mtompset       Hmmm... jcamins, did you know about debian/list-deps?
11:13 mtompset       It looks like it could be a perl precursor to check_deps.sh
11:14 jcamins        mtompset: No, I didn't do the Debian packaging.
11:18 mtompset       I only looked in the debian directory because of bug 8402.
11:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , replace 'install_misc/debian.packages' file with 'koha-debian-deps.pl' script
11:19 * mtompset     smirks, "It doesn't handle GD very well" ;)
11:27 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: 8627 Followup for removing tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=55d4fa2886e7f786327acc2b055c01a4bebd8ab5> / 8627 Fixing pipe values in controlfield 008 authorities <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b3ab13c3db25f583ac537ab234e825a8ad94e09> / Bug 8693 - Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=
11:27 jenkins_koha   Starting build #838 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago)
11:51 pastebot       "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Why you should read source code" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/185
11:52 kf             heh
11:52 jcamins        mtompset: yeah, I love that comment.
11:53 mtompset       I suspect it is from our friend eythian.
11:54 kf             git blame can tell you
11:54 mtompset       But I could be totally wrong.
11:54 mtompset       I don't know how to use git blame.
11:54 kf             git blame -L start,endline file
11:56 mtompset       Ah... Lars W.
11:56 mtompset       And Galen Charlton
11:57 kf             he was RM back then
11:59 mtj            its lars or robin, for sure
12:00 jcamins        That was back during the 3.2 release cycle. I don't think eythian was around yet.
12:00 mtompset       I did the git blame.
12:00 mtompset       It's Lars and Galen.
12:00 jcamins        mtompset: I know.
12:01 jcamins        I'm commenting to mtj that he could've figured it out based on when it was. ;)
12:10 liw            who what me? I deny everything
12:14 santy_         Hi everybody!... I have to install koha on centos 5.8 64bit and would also like to make a howto on that.  Does anyone know about a good guide (centos/redhat 5) to start with? I searched but could only find the fedora 7 guide in the wiki.
12:21 oleonard       Hi #koha
12:23 mtompset       santy_: Don't install on 5.8
12:23 mtompset       There is a wiki page for 6.2  which should work for 6.3 too
12:23 santy_         gush! why not? is there a specific reason?
12:24 mtompset       Koha 3.6 and higher requires perl 5.10
12:24 mtompset       5.8 only has 5.8.8
12:24 mtompset       6.3 has 5.10
12:24 mtompset       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386
12:24 mtompset       Also, CentOS is NOT a recommended or supported OS.
12:25 mtompset       So, your mileage may vary.
12:25 santy_         nor RedHat?
12:25 mtompset       No, Debian is the recommended OS.
12:26 santy_         ok, I will have to convince the gvmnt agency then... to use ubuntukoha, it'll be hard...
12:26 mtompset       santy_: I said DEBIAN.
12:27 santy_         ok, to use a debian system
12:27 mtompset       Ubuntu is a debian-based OS, but Debian is the recommended OS.
12:27 mtompset       Ubuntu will work (I use it).
12:27 mtompset       But it is not the official recommendation.
12:27 santy_         would you recommend ubuntukoha?
12:28 mtompset       If you want support, use Debian.
12:28 mtompset       More people here can support you with that.
12:28 santy_         ah ok, good to know
12:29 mtompset       If you use ubuntu, you will get support, but it won't be at the same level.
12:29 oleonard       It's not fair to say "If you want support, use Debian" That makes it sound like it's all or nothing.
12:29 mtompset       Yes, yes... I poorly worded that.
12:29 santy_         yea I understand
12:29 mtompset       More developers here use Debian.
12:30 santy_         ok... should my client insist on installing on centos 5.8, which koha version could possibly fully work?
12:31 mtompset       That being said, the install instructions http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze work with little variation under Ubuntu.
12:31 mtompset       If they insist on CentOS 5.8, you would have to upgrade the perl.
12:31 mtompset       I think perlbrew/homebrew or something might come into play.
12:32 mtompset       Then you have the headaches of getting the dependencies.
12:32 santy_         ok, I'll find out
12:32 mtompset       The CentOS page I linked you to has tackled some of those headaches.
12:32 mtompset       But that was for 6.2
12:33 santy_         ok thanks mtompset
12:33 mtompset       Sorry for the not so great news.
12:33 mtompset       You're welcome.
12:34 santy_         If I have to, then ill write a howto
12:34 samuel         hi, i come back with my items problem: i've created matching rules but the problem stay the same.
12:35 mtompset       paul_p, you around?
12:35 kf             samuel: can you give all your steps when uploading and staging?
12:35 paul_p         mtompset yep. Playing with bug 8597 ;-)
12:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Passed QA , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
12:35 kf             maybe a screenshot of how you staged the records?
12:36 samuel         kf: yes, a screenshot would be more easy
12:36 mtompset       Ah, okay. this was the person who had the UNIMARC import in two parts.
12:36 mtompset       Greetings, tcohen.
12:36 samuel         mtompset: yes, exotic situation
12:36 tcohen         hi mtompset
12:37 jcamins        khall: I'd suggest just setting UseICU to "don't" (re: bug 8783). Escaping parentheses tends to break oddly.
12:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8783 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Parentheses not escaped properly in queries when using XSLT
12:38 khall          I'll try that
12:39 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #179: SUCCESS in 1 hr 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/179/
12:39 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8705: Software error on help of main page
12:39 jenkins_koha   * mtompset: Bug 8714 - Poorly ordered and triggers warning in marctagstructure.pl
12:39 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8705 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error on help of main page
12:39 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8714 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Poorly ordered and triggers warning in marctagstructure.pl
12:40 khall          that works, what are the repurcussion of turning off icu?
12:41 jcamins        khall: you don't have ICU on, so, none.
12:41 khall          excellent, thanks!
12:41 jcamins        ICU breaks double quotes.
12:41 jcamins        Hence the braces.
12:42 jcamins        Zebra doesn't use curly braces without ICU enabled, though, so it has to be togglable.
12:42 * jcamins      switched the XSLTs to curly braces at a time when he was using ICU exclusively.
12:49 samuel         kf:http://pastebin.com/0Hjv352Z  --->it's  for my bibliographic records
12:57 kf             samuel: is that the stagingor managing screen?
12:57 kf             have you set up matching rules? did you select one of those from the pull down?
12:58 samuel         kf: it's the Stage MARC records for import
12:58 samuel         i've set up matching rules but i've not selected it
13:00 kf             h
13:00 kf             m
13:01 kf             I understood that you want to import bibliographic records and items in 2 batches
13:01 kf             if that is correct what I would do is:
13:01 kf             1. import bibliographic records into the catalog
13:01 kf             wait for everything to be reindexed
13:01 samuel         kf: i've not many choice with the data i have
13:02 kf             2. import the item records, don't overlay the bibliographic part but attach the items
13:03 samuel         ok
13:03 kf             what is important is that for 2. you need a key to match on
13:03 kf             what do you want to match the data on?
13:03 kf             do you have a record number in 001 or something like this to match them on?
13:04 samuel         kf:ok so... when i import item records, i choose the matching rule i've created
13:04 kf             yes
13:04 kf             but you have to be careful to choose a good field to match on
13:04 kf             that is indexed
13:04 kf             by zebra
13:05 kf             for example you could put the same number in the bibliographic record and the item record both in 001 field
13:05 kf             that would be indexed as Control-number
13:05 kf             and you could build a matching rule on htat
13:06 samuel         oups, i think i've not understood at the beginning. I thought i have to add 995 field in my bibliographic records and then, match on it.
13:08 samuel         kf: i will paste an extract of my files
13:11 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #838: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/838/
13:11 jenkins_koha   * colin.campbell: Bug 8336 Support Sip Renewal Transaction
13:11 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 8336 follow-up, tabs to space
13:11 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8275: xml parsing error when the webservice GetPatronInfo/show_loans is called
13:11 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3782: Remove broken z39.50 targets from sample files
13:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8336 major, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP Server does not process renewal transaction correctly
13:11 jenkins_koha   * dcook: Bug 8717 - Wrong subscription notes are showing in catalogue detail view of serials in staff client
13:11 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8709: Subfield 0 does not show in MARC detail in intranet
13:11 jenkins_koha   * jonathan.druart: Bug 4321: clean C4::Biblio::GetBiblio and uses
13:11 jenkins_koha   * adrien.saurat: Bug 8757: longer descriptions for authorised values
13:11 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: bug 8757 follow-up DBRev number
13:11 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 8693 - Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name
13:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8275 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , xml parsing error when the webservice GetPatronInfo/show_loans is called
13:11 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: 8627 Fixing pipe values in controlfield 008 authorities
13:11 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: 8627 Followup for removing tabs
13:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3782 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , delivered z39.50 targets wrong for NY Public Library and NY University Library
13:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8717 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Wrong subscription notes are showing in catalogue detail view of serials in staff client
13:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8709 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Subfield 0 does not show in MARC detail in intranet
13:11 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Biblio::GetBiblio is badly coded
13:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Longer size text for authorised values "lib"
13:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8693 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort biblio checkout history by checkout date instead of patron name
13:11 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:11 samuel         kf:http://pastebin.com/acCXDMVb   --->example of my bibliographic records
13:11 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 oleonard       Cool it tweetbot`
13:12 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:12 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 samuel         kf:http://pastebin.com/SHkmJtZq  --->item records
13:13 jcamins        gmcharlt: please kick tweetbot`
13:13 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 jcamins        tweetbot`: shutdown
13:13 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 oleonard       ...or chris_n, or Guest6947
13:13 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 oleonard       Or even mtj
13:13 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 jcamins        mtj: if you're around, please kill tweetbot.
13:13 jcamins        Wait, you must be around.
13:13 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:13 wajasu         ban tweetbot
13:14 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:14 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Urban School of San Francisco’s Herbst Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/eDB0L3CE #kohails"
13:14 jcamins        Thanks.
13:14 mtj            oops, full disk
13:14 kf             samuel: those will not work :(
13:15 mtj            DBD::SQLite::st execute failed: database or disk is full at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Bot/BasicBot/Pluggable/Store/DBI.pm line 81.
13:15 kf             samuel: you need all the item information in one 995 per item
13:16 kf             samuel: I don't know the item format for UNIMARC records very well, but I think you will also need home and holing library fields with the branch code in Koha
13:16 mtj            … that was a pretty awesome disk-full fail :/
13:16 samuel         kf: so, not subfield , all in one field
13:16 jcamins        samuel: you need some way to associate those items with bibliographic records.
13:16 kf             and the barcode and the itemtype
13:16 kf             is 995$r the title you want to use to match the records on?
13:16 santy_         hi again mtompset... the other alternative my client has to offer is to install koha on a windows 2003 R'' Enterprise x64 sp2 server, how about that vs centos 5.8?
13:16 kf             it should be in 200$a I think (not quite sure about UNIMARC here)
13:17 jcamins        santy_: you could run a VM under Windows, but that's about it.
13:17 mtompset       Yes, a VM... not the greatest solution, but that would let you do a debian install in the VM on the Windows OS of their chosing.
13:18 jcamins        santy_: if I were you, I'd run KVM on the CentOS machine, and run Debian on it.
13:18 samuel         kf:ok
13:18 santy_         so, installing directly on windows is not recommended?
13:18 jcamins        santy_: indeed, it cannot be done.
13:18 mtompset       No, it isn't recommended.
13:19 mtompset       jcamins: given enough time and energy I'm sure it could be.
13:19 mtompset       But no one has attempted it in recent years.
13:19 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6151' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=401d9e447930e229d72eae0b6874bb3cd93d0e73> / Bug 6151 follow-up fix POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7eadd8b6297a7696cedfe73a73862694231e776> / Bug 8597 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71c8676a4d3fbcfd2d713ccfc946d07c5b
13:19 santy_         do you know about a specific koha/zebra feature that would not work?
13:20 mtompset       The problem is the perl library dependencies tend not to get ported quickly enough to perl versions that run natively under windows.
13:20 jcamins        Right, given enough time and effort. chris_n spent years trying to get it work, and eventually managed.
13:20 jcamins        But his conclusion was "just use a VM."
13:20 santy_         ok, thanks for your KVM suggestion
13:20 santy_         sounds cool
13:21 jcamins        Or, you know, your preferred virtualization platform.
13:21 jcamins        But I know that CentOS 5.8 is often used as a KVM host.
13:21 santy_         ok I'll find out and suggest that... one other question...
13:21 magnuse        so, what's our preferred incantation for invoking perlcritic? just "perlcritic myfile.pl" or some extra magic?
13:21 mtompset       Actually, its funny, because one of our offsite backups is a CentOS box, but the VM I have set up is Ubuntu. :)
13:22 jcamins        magnuse: I think that's it.
13:22 santy_         I have talked here about centos 5.8... but what they really have is redhat el5
13:22 mtompset       Why haven't they moved to 6?
13:22 santy_         only I can't test on redhat
13:22 jcamins        In that case, I would insist on the VM.
13:23 santy_         don't know... its a gvrnmt agency, thay may have other apps already working...
13:23 magnuse        thanks jcamins, i'll run with that
13:23 mtompset       The nice thing about a VM is... they update the host OS, as long as you get the virtualization environement running again, the setup will continue to work.
13:23 santy_         good point
13:23 jcamins        Even if you get it working on your test environment, you'll have to repeat the troubleshooting process to move to production.
13:24 mtj            magnuse, try cd koha ; perlcriticrc --profile ./t/perlcriticrc YourModule.pm
13:24 santy_         hey thanks a lot for your suggestions
13:24 mtompset       We do try to be helpful. :)
13:25 jcamins        santy_: I know several people have tried installing Koha on RedHat, and had really bad experiences.
13:25 santy_         they are great, I hope my client has a sufficiently open mind
13:25 jcamins        None of those people frequent the channel, though.
13:25 libsysguy      I tired Koha on Centos once
13:25 libsysguy      never again
13:25 mtompset       I tried to install on CentOS 5.8 and got frustrated. ;)
13:25 magnuse        ah, thanks mtj
13:26 jcamins        libsysguy: oh yeah, I forgot you tried it.
13:26 mtompset       I didn't get a chance to try 6.3 yet.
13:26 mtj            magnuse, yeah the './t/perlcriticrc' file has some tweaks for Modern::Perl
13:26 libsysguy      I tried on 5.5 so you have me beat
13:27 mtompset       Like I said, the biggest problem was the wrong version of perl.
13:27 mtompset       I didn't want the hassle of trying to upgrade it.
13:27 jenkins_koha   Starting build #839 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago)
13:27 santy_         and the upgrade... would it have been very hard?
13:29 mtompset       upgrading perl?
13:29 santy_         yes, perl
13:29 mtompset       I've never used homebrew/perlbrew.
13:29 santy_         con centos 5.8
13:29 jcamins        wizzyrea!
13:29 wahanui        I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA
13:30 mtompset       So it would have been a major learning curve for me.
13:30 wizzyrea       hi :)
13:30 mtompset       You can get it running on CentOS 6.3, but you may have to do the evil CPAN thing.
13:31 santy_         ok, i'll learn about kvm on redhat/centos... do you know any other easy to setup vm on those oses?
13:31 mtompset       Unless you are familiar with packaging. ;)
13:31 wizzyrea       jcamins++
13:31 mtompset       Sorry, I virtualize on a 2GB netbook under Windows, not exactly good enough for a production environment. :)
13:31 jcamins        santy_: I suspect there is no "easy" VM system suitable for servers, but I don't think that any should be that hard for someone familiar with the OS.
13:32 magnuse        oh why on earth would perlcritic refer to *pages* in the perl best practices book?
13:33 jcamins        magnuse: hehe. I've wondered about that.
13:33 santy_         hmmm their redhat is already virtualized... and they don't want no more virtual machines... will have to convince them somehow
13:33 mtj            magnuse, coz the author of perlcritic was inspired, after reading PBP
13:33 mtompset       Their redhat is virtualized on what?
13:33 jcamins        santy_: then have them spin up a Debian VM? :)
13:34 santy_         they don't want no more vms..  ill have to change their mind
13:34 mtompset       Don't run a VM in a VM.
13:34 santy_         I dont know which vm they are using
13:34 magnuse        mtj: yeah, sure. and i have the book, but not a printed version, so page numbers are not the most useful...
13:34 drojf          yo dawg, i heard you like VMs...
13:35 santy_         hehe debian inside centos inside another vm would be akward
13:35 mtompset       Oh, I bet they are using some virtualization product that charges per VM.
13:36 santy_         ill find out
13:36 kf             magnuse: hm you could download the pdf from oreilly
13:36 drojf          but the vm in centos may be an option for the guys we visited for the conference last weekend, turns out they run koha on centos :/
13:36 kf             magnuse: so you get the page numbers - but it's still weird :)
13:37 magnuse        kf: yup :-)
13:38 santy_         if they have a vmed redhat, do not want more vms on that server, and have another win2003server it might probably best to install vbox on the windows machine then and debian inside
13:40 * magnuse      wanders off
13:55 * mtompset     nods, "Sadly, santy_."
14:15 * mtompset     waves bye.
14:17 gmcharlt       jcamins_away: are you still accepting cherry-picks for 3.6.9; if so, I nominate 3a10cbda9ac4 for bug 8293
14:17 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8293 critical, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when clicking on first or last result of each page on OPAC
14:26 jcamins_away   gmcharlt: are we seeing that on 3.6.x? I had tried replicating it and did not see it.
14:27 gmcharlt       jcamins_away: yes, a customer of ours ran into it, but it was strangely intermittent
14:27 gmcharlt       appear to affected only the first hit on the second page of search results
14:28 gmcharlt       what's  weird is that the call to searchResults in opac-detail.pl was so broken prior to that fix that it shouldn't have worked at all
14:28 jcamins_away   gmcharlt: on 3.6.8? I pushed a patch for that to 3.6.6...
14:29 gmcharlt       jcamins_away: the customer was running 3.6.6 when they encountered it
14:30 jcamins_away   gmcharlt: I thought it went into 3.6.6. I'll check.
14:32 gmcharlt       jcamins_away: ok, I've checked as well - the fix for 7894 didn't make it into 3.6.x until 3.6.7
14:33 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #839: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/839/
14:33 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Improve template markup to prepare for mobile
14:33 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Create new CCSR theme
14:33 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Add mobile functionality to ccsr theme
14:33 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8597: fix hardcoded references to prog in ccsr
14:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
14:33 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8597: Add CSS, JS, and images to ccsr theme
14:33 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Bug 8597: Add system preferences to configure the mobile view.
14:33 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 8597 follow-up DBRev number
14:33 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up fix POD
14:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in
14:33 jcamins_away   bug 7894
14:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
14:33 jcamins_away   That's the one I was thinking of.
14:34 jcamins_away   oleonard: the last patch for bug 8597 was not pushed.
14:34 gmcharlt       jcamins_away: so looking at this more, I withdrawn my request, or at least lessen it
14:35 gmcharlt       8253 *does* fix a problem where the call to searchResults simply has the wrong number of parameters
14:36 gmcharlt       but is arguably one without visible effect
14:36 gmcharlt       that said, it still gives me a twitch to have a supported branch with such an errant call :)
14:36 jcamins_away   Heh.
14:37 jcamins_away   oleonard: the last patch for bug 8597...
14:37 jcamins_away   oh, I already said that.
14:38 oleonard       Okay. I thought that since it was there it was ready.
14:39 jcamins_away   oleonard: it should've been.
14:39 jcamins_away   I'm not sure why it wasn't.
14:39 jcamins_away   The patch is on the bug.
14:45 * wajasu       having good progress with tcohen's koha-common now
14:48 wajasu         tcohen: i had success installing koha-common. i want to give it one more run through.  outside of cpan Koha:Contrib::Tamil, i needed libtest-strict-perl and libdevel-cover-perl besides the typical deb pkgs.
14:49 wajasu         tcohen: it brought down my running koha-common services, and brought up the new ones automatically (plus indexer).
15:07 reiveune       bye
16:17 jcamins_away   paul_p: did you see my note on bug 8597?
16:17 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
16:17 paul_p         jcamins_away yep, will deal with it later. Strange, but possible, there were a lot of encoding issues (doubled UTF8) when I applied the patches. What's strange is that I made many tests and saw nothing...
16:19 jcamins_away   paul_p: oleonard said it actually came out looking mostly okay, which speaks well of our templates.
16:19 paul_p         (in fact, this explain a tiny strange thing I saw in the display: tabs are not looking like tabs)
16:19 oleonard       These small things are important! :)
16:20 paul_p         oleonard = right ;)
16:24 jcamins_away   paul_p: you're almost done with my authority patches. :)
16:24 jcamins_away   I think bug 2060 and bug 8523 are the last ones.
16:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client
16:24 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
16:24 paul_p         jcamins_away fine ;-)
16:25 jcamins_away   Oh, and...
16:25 jcamins_away   @query did you mean
16:25 huginn         jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
16:25 huginn         jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
16:25 huginn         jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms
16:25 jcamins_away   Bug 8726, which I'm having some trouble fixing.
16:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms
16:25 jcamins_away   But I'll get it. :)
16:35 jcamins_away   oleonard: ooh, I like the idea of non-javascript-based modifications.
16:35 jcamins_away   It'd be easy to do with...
16:35 jcamins_away   sortable!
16:35 jcamins_away   :D
16:36 oleonard       Right, an interface in the staff client where you can check a box next to the choices you want to offer and--sure--sort them too
16:36 jcamins_away   :)
16:36 oleonard       And why not do the same for the advanced search page?
16:36 * jcamins_away just likes excuses to mention how cool sortable is.
16:36 jcamins_away   +inf
16:36 jcamins_away   Well- translation.
16:37 jcamins_away   If you add an entirely custom field, it's not translatable.
16:37 jcamins_away   But I guess that's no different from the way it is now.
16:38 oleonard       What do you mean, add an entirely custom field?
16:38 oleonard       I was thinking the choices would be hard-coded (and thus translatable), but numerous
16:38 jcamins_away   Like the way the ANS added "journal title."
16:39 oleonard       ...and then when someone came up with a new one we could accept a patch adding the option without rehashing this again
16:39 jcamins_away   But if that's not translatable, it's no different than the situation with javascript now.
16:40 jcamins_away   (and the standard, non-wtf-y options could be translatable easily enough)
16:43 tcohen         wajasu, that'sgood news!
16:43 tcohen         i managed to get it working out-of-the-box on a fresh install / koha-create instance setup
16:44 tcohen         i filled a bug for that problem of try-to-upgrade-not-complete-installed-instan e
16:49 jcamins_away   oleonard: BTW, I am pro-"minimum number of options"
16:55 * chris_n      hands jcamins_away a swiss army knife
16:56 mbalmer        better hand him a basler laeckerli...
16:57 jcamins_away   chris_n: I didn't say that *I* was adding the new sortable configuration.
16:57 chris_n        mbalmer: as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basler_L%C3%A4ckerli
16:58 mbalmer        exaclty ;)
16:58 mbalmer        the ones we (mveron and I) bring to every Koha meeting
16:58 chris_n        looks good
16:58 * jcamins_away is still disappointed mveron doesn't make them in the dishwasher.
16:58 mbalmer        HAHAHA ;)
16:59 jcamins_away   His creativity with cooking things in the dishwasher impressed me.
16:59 chris_n        lol
17:29 bornie21       Hey everyone I am trying to host multiple websites on a machine with Koha but upon setting the name based virtual hosts I can access the sites on the physical machine but when I try it on the LAN it resolves to the KOHA Opac page.
17:36 gmcharlt       bornie21: does the machine have two network interfaces?
17:36 gmcharlt       one possibility is that your vhost definitions are listening on the external interface but not the internal one
17:36 bornie21       No it has one interface
17:36 gmcharlt       and if Koha is the default, that would account for the behavior
17:37 bornie21       How do I change it from being the default then
17:39 mveron         Hi #koha
17:41 jcamins_away   bornie21: if you change the default, you'll just have a different site showing up. The problem is somewhere in the NameVirtualHost configuration.
17:42 jcamins_away   apache2ctl -S may help.
17:43 * jcamins_away would theorize that some of your hosts are not listening on all addresses.
17:43 bornie21       Ok let me run that and see
17:46 jcamins_away   magnuse: I'm cataloging a book in Norwegian. :)
17:51 bornie21       192.168.0.4:80         is a NameVirtualHost          default server HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6)          port 80 namevhost HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6) 192.168.0.4:8080       HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:100) 127.0.1.1:80           HPlibraryserver (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha:6) 127.0.1.1:
17:51 cait           has nengard been hacked?
17:51 jcamins_away   Please use paste.koha-communit.org in the future.
17:51 cait           oh and hi #koha :)
17:51 jcamins_away   But I think you want to set everything to listen on *.
17:52 bornie21       the above is the result of apachectl -S. Sorry for pasting directly
17:52 jcamins_away   Wait, there's only the one site enabled.
17:52 jcamins_away   You should enable the other sites, then run apachectl -S.
17:52 bornie21       ok had disabled the for test purposes
18:56 bornie21       <jcamins_away>:I don't knw if this is a recommended  but i have placed my new site inside the Koha Opac htdocs and accessing it over the LAN. Can it b hosted thusly
19:15 oleonard       Bootstrap toolbar buttons and menus using default icons and styles: http://www.screencast.com/t/MRdXxc4nGKN
19:16 cait           can we update the license tomorrow? :)
19:17 oleonard       Speaking of which, who is going to raise the issue on the list again? mtj?
19:17 cait           mj or mtj I think
19:17 cait           or chris_n?
19:17 wahanui        release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5
19:17 rangi          Not for a while I hope
19:18 oleonard       Not til after 3.12 roles are chosen rangi ?
19:18 rangi          After the release at least, hopefully tm is all sorted by then too
19:18 oleonard       Ah right the tm. :(
19:18 * oleonard     grumbles
19:18 rangi          Or it will just derail
19:19 rangi          However the gpl 2+
19:19 rangi          Allows you to upgrade your copy
19:20 rangi          And include bootstrap
19:20 rangi          So don't need to wait for testing etc
19:20 oleonard       Upgrade your copy?
19:20 tcohen         wajasu, r u there?
19:21 rangi          You can say this version with bootstrap is gpl3+
19:22 rangi          And can distribute for ppl to test
19:23 rangi          Just don't release it
19:23 rangi          Or call it it version 64644
19:23 rangi          Or something
19:23 rangi          :-)
19:24 wizzyrea       that's awfully pretty oleonard
19:24 wajasu         tcohen: yes
19:24 oleonard       In other words rangi, I don't have to board up my windows and ready my shotgun while I tinker with Bootstrap
19:25 oleonard       I can't take any credit wizzyrea, it's all Bootstrap-pretty.
19:25 wizzyrea       yes but you put it there :P
19:25 wizzyrea       own your awesome, oleonard. :)
19:26 magnuse        jcamins_away: which book?
19:28 rangi          Yes you can distribute it
19:29 rangi          You could always play with it, cos of the +
19:29 tcohen         hi wajasu, i've been out on a meeting
19:29 tcohen         did you succeed?
19:30 wajasu         tcohen:i'm just did a fresh debina install, then cpan, then now Koha::Contrib::Tamil   , then doing webinstaller.
19:30 wajasu         i am trying again, because of an issue.
19:30 wajasu         the indexer keeps respawning
19:31 rangi          But if you note you are distributing under 3 you can share it too
19:31 tcohen         what does koha-indexer-output.log say about it?
19:32 * rangi        hopes early morning rangi is making sense
19:32 wajasu         i'm about to run dpkg. 1 minute
19:33 oleonard       rangi I'm pretty slow with license stuff, so I'm sure I'll have to ask again
19:33 tcohen         what the question is?
19:33 wahanui        i guess the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
19:33 mbalmer        42
19:33 tcohen         wahanui: 42
19:33 wahanui        tcohen: i'm not following you...
19:33 mbalmer        42, and, PostgreSQL
19:34 mbalmer        and going to sleep ;)
19:34 tcohen         we are having two FOSS licence specialists to speak at UNC next friday
19:34 tcohen         if it helps...
19:37 wajasu         tcohen: dpkg installs and restart the zebra and adds the indexer.  the koha-indexer-output.log is empty, and the koha-indexer-error.log  kicks out: client (pid 15476) exited with 1 status  (so its the daemon that logs and it tries every 30 seconds.
19:38 tcohen         so, it is not working for u?
19:38 tcohen         i've had it running on my dev workstation since our last chat
19:38 wajasu         right.  i can't figure it out.  i don't have any superflous KOHA_CONF or PERL5LIB configured.
19:39 tcohen         are the tables created¿
19:39 wajasu         remind me the name
19:40 tcohen         zebraqueue?
19:40 wahanui        it has been said that zebraqueue is cleared when zebra reindexes (I expect), so you'll miss changes.
19:41 wajasu         yes it their and empty.
19:41 wajasu         thre
19:41 wajasu         there
19:43 tcohen         my koha-indexer-error.log is empty
19:43 wajasu         now when i install Koha::Contrib::Tamil, i ran it twice so some deps were available from the first run and it succeeded.  i did not have the KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB configured during the Koha::Config::Tamil module this time, thought i tried that in a prior effort.
19:44 wajasu         it must have to do with the Tamil module.  let me see.
19:44 tcohen         yes, you need to have Koha::Contrib::Tamil before running the daemon (which is triggered when you create an instance)
19:46 * wajasu       trying to reinstall the Koha::Contrib::Tamil    its GPL3 you know :)
19:47 wajasu         do I need Koha::Contrib::Indexer as well?  maybe thats it
19:47 rangi          Yep can't include with Koha for distribution
19:48 wajasu         Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
19:48 rangi          But you can get it from clan
19:48 rangi          Cpan
19:48 tcohen         If you cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil it installs the IndexDaemon stuff
19:48 wajasu         got it from cpan
19:49 wajasu         ok just checking
19:49 tcohen         I hope eythian packages it as a .deb in koha's repo
19:49 tcohen         bug 8774
19:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon
19:50 rangi          Probably cant
19:50 tcohen         wajasu, you're using the latest koha-common*.deb from http://es.koha-community.org/kc_files/, right?
19:50 wajasu         yes.  i saw your update.  even downloaded today.
19:50 rangi          Maybe a Sep repo to make it clear its not part of kohs
19:51 rangi          Koha
19:51 tcohen         oh, that's the thing about that libs...
19:53 tcohen         if i had known..
19:54 chris_n        yoyo internet... gotta love it
19:56 rangi          Hehe
19:57 wajasu         rangi:  i started think we could just implement the smae thing with plack.  i have another idea too: when we write zebraqueue, we touch a file in a directory, and have lib notify call a zebraindex script.
19:57 rangi          There's a zillion ways to do it.bigger fish to fry at the moment
19:58 wajasu         yup
19:58 rangi          Once the search rewrite is done
19:58 rangi          Could be worth revisiting
19:59 cait           .. which is agood moment to point out it still needs funding maybe
19:59 cait           *hint* :)
19:59 * wizzyrea     provides nudging
20:00 rangi          I wonder if we can get an update in the newsletter
20:00 cait           about the current status of fnding?
20:00 rangi          Yeah
20:01 * cait         summons jcamins to tell him he should do that
20:04 wajasu         rangi: is the search rewrite the solr work?
20:04 rangi          No
20:04 wajasu         jcamins work?
20:04 rangi          My stop someone paste the link bbiab
20:04 cait           wajasu: not for solr, but woudl be a good foundation for better solr integration I tihnk
20:04 cait           search rewrite?
20:04 wahanui        search rewrite is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
20:05 wajasu         ahh
20:08 * wajasu       wonders if apache lucy is being used, or just webservice calls.
20:13 cait           wajasu: ?
20:13 wajasu         yes
20:13 cait           good morning kathryn
20:13 cait           :)
20:14 kathryn        oh hello cait! :) I've been quiet, running....
20:14 cait           running? :)
20:14 kathryn        neh, not the actual excercise kinda ;)
20:15 kathryn        -a
20:20 oleonard       See y'all later
20:32 cait           kathryn: ah :)
20:48 rangi          back
20:49 wajasu         cait: thanks for finding that <fine> issue. i'm assuming 8378 is going to make it to 3.10 if its in master
20:49 cait           hm?
20:49 * cait         fails 7572
20:49 cait           wajasu: I don't think it was me really finding it :(
20:49 cait           I didn't even get to test it
20:50 wajasu         you were the one that told me about the dollar amount not showing, right?
20:51 cait           oh
20:51 cait           maybe
20:51 cait           and I am really glad if it gets fixed
20:51 cait           because this would make our libraries really really unhappy
20:52 wajasu         mine won't upgrade from 3.0 until its fixed. so i'll be happy.
20:53 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5357: Follow-up - layout and EAN search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8defeb2bd0449fb57945e54a487249283d64f191> / Bug 5357: Adds a new page for searching subscriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=214fd0fbd1fb00e9d20efb22c80c9662820fb347> / Bug 7751: Decrease Loans for Items in Demand for Holds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm
20:54 wajasu         rangi: were you serious about not being able to take gpl3 code?  or is anything in cpan OK even if it says it gpl3?  i am wondering if i should continue debugging Koha::Contrib::Tamil with tcohen
20:56 wajasu         i am realizeing feature freeze is just 4 days away.
20:56 rangi          wajasu: that's not part of koha, its a sep thing, so debugging is fine
20:57 jenkins_koha   Starting build #840 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 16 days ago)
20:57 rangi          we can't bundle it with, and distribute the whole thing as gpl2 tho
20:57 wajasu         i think thats what he was expecting.
20:57 rangi          so it needs to stay separate unless we want to distribute as gpl3
20:57 rangi          which isnt a decision we can make now
20:59 wajasu         if its separate i don't see it being worth testing time, since he can run it inhouse without being part of koha.
20:59 wajasu         plus, it got Moose and firends, which is a hefty.
20:59 tcohen         wajasu, what is worth testing is the patch for bug 8773 i think
20:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
20:59 rangi          you can run inhouse
21:00 rangi          you can't distribute
21:00 rangi          there is a difference
21:00 rangi          the gpl2+ clause
21:00 rangi          lets him have his own version being 3, he can even then distribute it as 3 if he wants
21:00 rangi          it says
21:01 rangi          # Koha is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the
21:01 rangi          # terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software
21:01 rangi          # Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later
21:01 rangi          # version.
21:01 rangi          what we can't do, is bundle it in our release and try to distribute the release as gpl2+
21:01 rangi          quite different things
21:01 rangi          but its entirely legal for me to get koha
21:01 rangi          then get the indexer
21:01 rangi          and run them both
21:02 tcohen         rangi, could we provide (as gpl3) a .deb package for koah::contrib::tamil and use it from that scripts of bug 8773
21:02 tcohen         ?
21:02 rangi          yep
21:02 rangi          however its not going to make it for 3.10
21:02 wajasu         does he really need to integrate with koha-common?
21:03 rangi          so best to wait, then discuss licensing after the release and aim for koha being gpl3+ for 3.12
21:03 rangi          imho
21:03 rangi          of course its free software, anyone can do whatever they want within the license conditions :)
21:04 wajasu         would he ever replace koha-common?  or should he just make it more of a bolt-on?
21:05 tcohen         bolt-on?
21:05 wajasu         a separate daemon, with its own lifecyle that reads from zebraqueue
21:06 tcohen         all this non-existent zebraqueue daemon is non-sense IMHO
21:06 wajasu         if you embed you script in koha-common, who is to say, your deb won't have all that robin's has.
21:08 tcohen         the daemon scripts need to be release-dependent, and hence not a separate thing
21:11 wajasu         i agree.
21:11 santy_         hello again everyone! I was able to convince my client to set up another vm on which to install koha, so now it's up to me to decide which OS to use.  I have been told to use debian.  If the goal is to set up a production server with about 500000 biblios and the need for the zebra z39.50 server, which combination of debian/koha versions would you recommend?
21:12 tcohen         i did that. and abandoned those patches when i was told of the existence of fredericd's scripts
21:13 tcohen         this is just another iteration of the same story, now trying to make it easy to include those scripts in koha
21:15 wajasu         so tcohen. if its not going into 3.10, there is time. i guess i need to shift to other efforts.  i totally understand what you are saying.
21:16 tcohen         wajasu, i'm fine with that. i know i did my part :-D
21:16 wajasu         you surely did.  i love the feature, its sped up my testing.
21:16 libsysguy      santy_: I would suggest debian squeeze with koha 3.6
21:17 cait           hi libsysguy :)
21:17 libsysguy      we have had quite a bit of trouble with 3.8.x branches
21:17 libsysguy      hey cait
21:17 libsysguy      whatcha up to
21:17 rangi          otoh i have clients running 3.8.4
21:17 rangi          with no issues
21:17 libsysguy      the issue that I am aware of with 3.8.4 is with hourly loans
21:17 wajasu         i did just provide a patch for the overdue_notices for 3.8.x
21:18 tcohen         we had to apply some of colin's patches for dates/calendars to get 3.8.x work flawlessly
21:18 libsysguy      so santy_ if you're not worried about that then go with 3.8
21:18 rangi          tcohen: they are all in 3.8.x now the last of them just added so will all be in 3.8.5 most were in 3.8.4
21:18 tcohen         nice rangi
21:19 tcohen         so, i'd say Ubuntu 12.04 (:-P) with 3.8.5 as soon as they land
21:20 rangi          id strongly advise debian squeeze over ubuntu
21:20 rangi          ubuntu 12.04 ships with mysql anonymous logins
21:21 rangi          ymmv
21:21 santy_         why debian squeeze over ubuntu 12.04?
21:21 rangi          read above
21:21 tcohen         rangi, i haven't noticed that
21:22 rangi          ahh well you should look, it does, it broke packaging we had to add a patch to get round it
21:22 tcohen         ah, you mean that dpkg has access to mysql?
21:23 rangi          no
21:23 rangi          http://www.sitepoint.com/ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin-introducing-mysql-server/
21:24 rangi          By default, a MySQL installation has an anonymous user, allowing anyone
21:24 rangi          to log into MySQL without having to have a user account created for
21:24 rangi          them.  This is intended only for testing, and to make the installation
21:24 rangi          go a bit smoother.  You should remove them before moving into a
21:24 rangi          production environment.
21:24 rangi          no one reads tht bit
21:24 rangi          :)
21:25 magnuse        gah! found the culprit that was eating my swap space: zebra
21:25 magnuse        stopped and started all my zebras and swap usage fell dramatically
21:26 santy_         ok in terms of security ubuntu 1204 (w/o anonymous logins) and debian squeeze are both ok
21:26 tcohen         rangi, read it, but cannot figure how to test to see if its true
21:27 * magnuse      calls it a day
21:27 rangi          its true
21:28 rangi          http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/2.18/html/security-mysql.html
21:29 santy_         what about support?... mtompset says there is a greater chance to get things solved on pure debian
21:29 santy_         as far as I understood
21:29 tcohen         ubuntu is a debian derivative, backed by Canonical
21:30 tcohen         ubuntu relies on debian's development
21:30 tcohen         we use ubuntu in our datacenter, because Canonical is focused
21:30 cait           magnuse: good night!
21:30 tcohen         on providing smooth integration with cloud-oriented tools
21:30 cait           and good night #koha :)
21:32 tcohen         santy_, what you mean by support?
21:33 santy_         by support I mean the speed knowledge is gained by the supporters... is koha being improved, tested and fixed on debian first?
21:36 tcohen         debian
21:36 rangi          sorry triying to diagnose hardware via phone
21:37 tcohen         if that's the parameter that makes your choice, then go for debian
21:37 santy_         ok, so it is more likely that a patch will be available on debian quicker
21:37 tcohen         not sure
21:38 tcohen         there is no ubuntu-specific package or something
21:38 tcohen         squeeze and precise are almost binary identical...
21:38 tcohen         in fact, you will use the same packages on both
21:40 tcohen         (the same repos, etc)
21:40 santy_         I am considering the following factors: security, performance, support, stability, documentation, setup
21:40 tcohen         i think its a matter of taste
21:41 tcohen         i'd say ubuntu has official docs, and commercial support if you want it
21:41 tcohen         i love debian
21:41 tcohen         and work on a ubuntu environment, and feel comfortable
21:44 santy_         well the proof of concept i did setup was on ubuntu natty.  Things worked out pretty smoothly (koha 3.8).  I have not tried the zebra z39.50 server yet though, or checked out the hourly loans
21:44 tcohen         for a server, stick to LTS releases
21:44 tcohen         (5 year support)
21:45 tcohen         it makes you have enough time to design you OS upgrade steps
21:45 tcohen         18 months its less than you belive
21:46 santy_         how about the debian koha packages? are they more up-to-date than ubuntus?
21:46 tcohen         the only koha packages are those from debian.koha-community.org
21:46 tcohen         you use them for both OS's
21:46 tcohen         (distros)
21:47 tcohen         they ARE the same
21:47 santy_         ok
21:49 tcohen         here https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/index.html you can get instructions for most common things
21:50 tcohen         i recommend you see the ufw (firewall) instructions if going production
21:50 tcohen         it works on debian too
21:52 santy_         I think I'll go for ubuntu 12.04+koha 3.8.5
21:53 santy_         just because i'm more familiar with ubuntu and your suggestions about upgrading
21:54 tcohen         no no, don't do it
21:54 tcohen         debianers on this IRC will hate me :-D
21:54 santy_         lol
21:55 santy_         I understand debian or ubuntu are both feasible alternatives for a koha production server with full functionality
21:56 tcohen         in my university, we are pleased to use them both
21:56 tcohen         we also use CentOS, OpenSuSE and Debian
21:56 tcohen         but are moving towards Ubuntu in the mid-term
21:57 santy_         I was strongly suggested not to install koha on centos 5.8 today
21:59 tcohen         santy_ don't
21:59 tcohen         on 6.3 we can speak
21:59 santy_         ok 6.3... there is even a howto
21:59 tcohen         i was just listing what we have in our infrastructure
22:00 tcohen         we have koha on Ubuntu
22:00 tcohen         (both the apache front-ends and separate mysl cluster)
22:02 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #840: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/840/
22:02 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8211: Add exploded search options
22:02 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8210: add links to authorities to headings in OPAC
22:02 jenkins_koha   * julian.maurice: Bug 8210: add links to authorities in normal mode headings
22:02 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search
22:02 jenkins_koha   * srdjan: Bug 7993: Save reports with Group/Subgroup hierarchy
22:02 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 7993 follow-up DBRev number
22:02 jenkins_koha   * colin.campbell: Bug 7751: Decrease Loans for Items in Demand for Holds
22:02 jenkins_koha   * jonathan.druart: Bug 5357: Adds a new page for searching subscriptions
22:02 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5357: Follow-up - layout and EAN search
22:02 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Headings in OPAC bib details should link to authority record
22:02 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies
22:02 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7751 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , Decrease loan period on items with a high number of holds
22:02 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Subscription search and displays
22:03 wajasu         sweet
22:05 santy_         Do you know a good guide to estimate disk space and ram requirements for koha? I have searched but did not find
22:05 santy_         it in the koha docs nor the wiki (might be mistaken)
22:08 tcohen         it depends on the amount of records you have
22:08 santy_         there will be about 500000
22:08 tcohen         and the mysql server will be on the same hardware?
22:08 santy_         yes... one virtualized server for everything
22:10 tcohen         you should consider that your DB will be 1.5GB or 2GB (raw disk space)
22:10 bag            freeze?
22:10 tcohen         and you'd want to have it in RAM
22:11 bag            heh just checking to see if wahanui had a definition
22:11 tcohen         (tuned mysql)
22:11 tcohen         so, I'd say 4GB RAM and 3 or more cores
22:12 tcohen         zebra indexes might take 40GB
22:12 tcohen         so 120GB HD?
22:12 santy_         40 GB?
22:13 tcohen         a 50K registers DB takes 2GB (checking right now)
22:14 santy_         hmm I don't know... but I recall having set up the zebra indexes tables to run on myisam instead of innodb to avoid transactional data to pile up, those 40GB are taking that into account?
22:14 tcohen         nope
22:14 tcohen         zebra is a separate full-text indexing DB
22:15 tcohen         you're mixing with zebraqueue table
22:15 santy_         oh ok
22:15 tcohen         which is always busy but its content disposable
22:15 santy_         understand
22:16 santy_         of course indexing every word occurrence in a separate dbms, right?
22:16 tcohen         that's what zebra does
22:16 tcohen         zebra's indexes are fat
22:17 tcohen         those are the ones I say might eat 40GB easily
22:17 rangi          disk is cheap
22:17 rangi          get lots
22:18 rangi          Ive never heard someone say, 'oh damn, I got too much disk"
22:18 santy_         ok.. as for the zebraqueue tables... has that issue been resolved for 3.8.5?
22:18 tcohen         hehe
22:18 santy_         :)
22:18 santy_         (your right... gonna recommend 250 gb disk)
22:19 tcohen         that's not what our sysadmins told me when I got a LUN on the storage server with 30TB of free space for
22:19 tcohen         some scans :-D
22:19 rangi          *sigh*
22:19 rangi          http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
22:19 tcohen         10GB average each book
22:20 * rangi        fixes some
22:20 santy_         10GB thats a lot
22:21 jcamins_away   rangi: does jenkins not automatically run updatedatabase?
22:22 rangi          oh those ones im not worried about
22:22 rangi          it was the pod tets
22:22 rangi          test
22:22 jcamins_away   Yeah, I know which one is worrying. :)
22:22 jcamins        I just can't figure out why those are showing up.
22:22 rangi          and the one that has been there for 3 months
22:22 tcohen         yes santy_, they are master copies of jesuitic material
22:24 santy_         yea too valuable to let time damage it further
22:25 jcamins        santy_: run the cron job that truncates zebraqueue every day.
22:25 santy_         tcohen, do you know about that zebraqueue tables getting big problem? ist it fixed?
22:25 santy_         ok cron job
22:25 wahanui        i think cron job is only needed for *new* records.
22:26 santy_         just cron job truncating or also changing table engine to myisam?
22:26 jcamins        santy_: I thought it defaulted to MyISAM, but just truncating daily should be fine.
22:27 santy_         cool tip
22:27 santy_         thanks a lot to every one!
22:27 tcohen         take a look at the script
22:27 tcohen         bin/cronjobs/cleanup_database.pl
22:27 jcamins        Also, use memcached for sessions.
22:28 tcohen         and the example usage in bin/cronjobs/crontab.example
22:28 tcohen         (both distributed with koha)
22:29 santy_         I will, I promise you, I will
22:35 rangi          sheesh i hate hardware
22:35 jcamins        rangi: I guess you've run into some problems with the hardware at Te Tekare?
22:36 rangi          nothing insoluble
22:36 rangi          just annoying
22:41 rangi          when you scan your card koha sends a message
22:41 rangi          that includes how much you owe
22:41 rangi          say $2
22:41 rangi          the selfcheck machine sees this as fines
22:41 rangi          then if i issue a rental item that costs $2
22:42 rangi          in the checkout message we send BV2.00
22:42 rangi          the self check goes oh, this cost $2
22:42 rangi          all good so far right
22:42 jcamins        Yup.
22:42 rangi          except, you finish and print a slip
22:42 rangi          you get 2 lines
22:42 rangi          Total fines $2
22:42 rangi          Total fees $2
22:42 rangi          ppl go wtf
22:43 martian523     hi, i have run across some problems when searching through the catalog
22:43 rangi          do i owe $2 or $4
22:43 rangi          whats the diff
22:43 rangi          etc
22:43 rangi          so im gonna try to get it saying $total owing $4
22:43 rangi          with less $
22:44 jcamins        Makes sense.
22:45 martian523     i have chinese books in my catalog with chinese title and the transliteration title.  when i click on the chinese title, it shows error 404 came up, but when i clicked on the the transliterated title, it's ok
22:45 martian523     what is this error 404?
22:46 rangi          is the url the same for both?
22:46 martian523     An error has occurred! Error 404 This error means that the link was broken and that the page doesn't exist To report this error, you can email the Koha administrator. Use top menu bar to navigate to another part of Koha.
22:47 martian523     one is opac, and one is catalogue, i guess there's a difference?
22:49 rangi          yes, what are the biblionumbers?
22:49 martian523     biblionumbers are the same
22:50 rangi          one must be a bad url then, what are the actual urls?
22:51 rangi          where are you from martian523 ?
22:53 martian523     me? from CA
22:53 rangi          cool, just being nosey
22:54 santy_         oh, one question... when will the date/calendar fix be available (version 3.8.5)?
22:54 martian523     the link that has error 404 is http://192.168.1.127:8080/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=22259
22:55 martian523     the link that works is http://192.168.1.127:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=22259
22:55 rangi          no idea then im afraid
22:56 martian523     i just see one difference
22:56 martian523     opac-detail.pl and catalogue/detail.pl
22:56 martian523     - vs /
22:58 jcamins        Try turning off XSLT for the search results.
22:58 jcamins        In the staff client only.
22:58 jcamins        And what version are you using?
22:59 martian523     3.8.3
23:00 jcamins        Yes, turning off the XSLT will fix your problem.
23:01 martian523     what is xslt again?
23:02 jcamins        Among other things, it's controlled by a syspref.
23:02 jcamins        XSLTResultsDisplay, I think, is what it's called.
23:05 martian523     ok...fix that
23:05 martian523     now i think i'm going back to a problem that i've asked before
23:05 martian523     i have entered the transliterated title in 245, and the chinese title in 880
23:06 santy_         I have to install koha by next week, should I wait for the 3.8.5 release or just go with 3.8.4?
23:06 jcamins        santy_: 3.8.4 it is, since 3.8.5 isn't coming out until the end of the week. :P
23:06 martian523     when i searched the catalog, only the transliterated title shows up, and not the chinese title
23:06 rangi          you aren't going into production next week are u?
23:06 jcamins        santy_: however, the upgrade is easy.
23:07 jcamins        rangi: oh my. What an awful thought.
23:07 santy_         ok great
23:07 martian523     what i prefer is to have the chinese title show up instead of the transliterated title
23:07 martian523     is there a way to fix that?
23:07 jcamins        martian523: not without development work, no.
23:08 santy_         I was comparing the instalation guides of debian squeeze and ubuntu LTS... why is ubuntuses guide so much longer?
23:08 rangi          santy_: you should only install from the packages for production/testing .. and git for development
23:09 jcamins        santy_: because the person who wrote the Ubuntu guide liked detail.
23:09 martian523     so if i want the chinese title to show up, i would be better off putting the chinese title in the 245 field?
23:09 rangi          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian <-- follow that
23:09 rangi          it works for ubuntu too
23:09 jcamins        ^^ that's the one to follow
23:09 santy_         ok ok got it
23:09 santy_         great
23:09 santy_         thx
23:19 santy_         do you know about any issues for koha running on an operating system (ubuntu) that has a language different than english?
23:20 jcamins        santy_: you'll have to translate any error messages you want to ask about.
23:20 santy_         lol good point
23:21 jcamins        That said, if you follow the instructions that rangi pointed to, you won't run into any errors that matter.
23:21 jcamins        (and probably none at all)
23:21 jcamins        Just make sure you use a UTF-8 locale.
23:22 santy_         ok jcamins
23:43 santy_         thanks a lot everyone for your help and time, good bye hope we meet again soon