Time Nick Message 23:57 wajasu thx. 23:57 wajasu drop this. the day is over for me. 23:55 wajasu the webinstaller/login page comes up. 23:54 wajasu it stared unpacking the old (possibly uninstalling the original one), then had an error, missing libtext-unaccent-perl, so i apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl, and after that installs it automatically retries the new koha-common. 23:53 wajasu this VM already has koha-common installed and everything ready at boot. i just usually hit the webinstaller and init the db. but what i did was cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil and then dkpg -i koha-common 23:51 jcamins If you do, the patch doesn'twroork. 23:51 jcamins Or, you shouldn't. 23:51 jcamins No. 23:51 jcamins 8lbs apples. :) 23:51 jcamins Here we go. 23:50 wajasu do i have to have KOHA_CONF set up 23:49 jcamins I'm thinking massive volumes of apple crisp. 23:48 jcamins *ignore 23:48 jcamins Blargh. 23:47 jcamins You can giignore those errors. 23:47 jcamins That's all. 23:47 wajasu no. i'll try. 23:47 jcamins wajasu: oh, you didn't go through the web installer. 23:46 wajasu apple sauce 23:46 wajasu apple pie 23:46 wajasu i ran koha_perl_deps and had none missing that were required. 23:46 jcamins Does anyone have any ideas what to do with 1.5 pecks of apples, if you're not someone who is terribly fond of eating raw apples (and if you are getting another peck of apples in two days)? 23:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 23:45 wajasu it finishes that quick and starts the koha-common (see bug 8773 " initial test...." attachment 23:44 wajasu ok 23:43 jcamins Or maybe it's `apt-get -f install` 23:43 jcamins (`apt-get install`) 23:42 jcamins If you run apt-get install it will install the missing dependencies that it is able. 23:41 wajasu ok 23:41 wajasu do you think it uninstalled all original koha-common, and then had missing deps? 23:41 jcamins wajasu: you're going to run into lots of errors because Master\'s dependencies can't be installed on Squeeze. 23:40 wajasu jcamins: i ran tcohen's koha-common but got an error for about every line of code it hit. 1st i had a libtext-unaccent-perl that it needed. 23:39 talljoy i just filled her in. 23:39 jcamins_away khall or talljoy might be able to tell you approximately how many people were at the last KohaCon. 23:38 melia ah well. thanks jacmins_away :) 23:38 jcamins_away melia: they should be, but I think they are not. 23:36 melia are the attendance numbers for past KohaCons anywhere? I looked on the wiki but maybe not in the right place... 22:45 * wajasu off phone now. i'm downloading your new one. 22:32 tcohen bye #koah 22:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 22:32 * tcohen waves happily as he's got bug 8773 ready for testing 22:23 tcohen wajasu, please download the new koha-common package first 22:15 tcohen i can't belive i had just one typo :-D 22:15 tcohen I had a typo 22:15 tcohen wajasu: WAIT 22:14 * wajasu on phone with client so stalled. 22:13 * wajasu vm created. booting, then will transfer deb into VM with ssh, then dpkg -i it... 22:04 * wajasu the VM build is taking longer because i put the deps for pbuilder in. its installing perl modules... 92% done 21:57 * wajasu 90% done creating VM and installing base software... 21:53 tcohen wajasu, did u make it work? 21:43 * wajasu debian net install in VM running...base...core... 21:39 jcamins Definitely better to keep the Tamil indexer in a separate package. 21:37 wajasu give me 20 min 21:37 wajasu i'll cpan it 21:37 wajasu ok lets get through this one. 21:37 wajasu if its separate, later if we want to use plack as a server, that talks to zebra, it might be easier if its a separate package. 21:36 tcohen that's another bug this depends on 21:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon 21:35 tcohen bug 8774 21:35 wajasu i thought you were going to build a Koha::Contrib::Tamil .deb for putting into the kc.org repo 21:35 tcohen i was not sure what was the best 21:35 tcohen it can be done (including tamils code into koha) 21:33 wajasu oh. you are just getting the init script into koha common 21:33 wajasu whats in your koha-common? i thought it was the Tamil stuff? 21:32 tcohen !! 21:32 tcohen and u need to cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil too 21:32 wajasu my vm build script applies the kc koha-common. so after the first boot, i will transfer your deb into the VM and try to apply it. 21:30 tcohen hmm, dependecies, try installing koha-common from the debian.koha-communty.org repo first so it pulls all the deps 21:29 wajasu i'm creating a new VM. give me a few minutes 21:28 tcohen don't try it on your production server hehe 21:28 jcamins wajasu: it will replace the current version of koha-common. 21:28 * jcamins was actually typing "Just koha-common" when tcohen said it, but thought that repeating him was silly. 21:28 wajasu can i do it on a VM that already has koha-common installed, or a fresh VM? 21:28 tcohen (i'm not a packages expert at all) 21:28 jcamins Yup. 21:28 tcohen right jcamins? 21:27 tcohen just koha-common 21:27 wajasu .deb 21:27 wajasu so i assume you want me to install the koha-common and the koha ones. 21:24 tcohen http://es.koha-community.org/kc_files/ 21:22 wajasu let me know 21:22 jcamins wajasu: use dpkg -i ${file} 21:22 wajasu ok 21:22 tcohen dpkg -i <file> 21:22 wajasu tcohen: sure. i just haven't installed debs directly. can i use agt-get or such? 21:19 wajasu i guess i can just try master and send diacritics, then mark them resolved. ok then. 21:19 jcamins If they are, mark them as resolved. 21:18 jcamins They may well be obsolete. 21:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 21:18 wajasu the reason i am looking at these is because when if fixed bug 8378 i think i addressed NFC coding and display of email subject/header fields and also the attachment filenames, so one can have unicode diacritics in them too. 21:16 jcamins That means the patch predates the creation of the "Needs signoff" etc. statuses. 21:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4420 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , umlauts or diacritics in subject of notices are deleted 21:16 wajasu i wonder if bug 4420 is a dup. 21:16 tcohen (once I get it created) 21:16 tcohen wajasu, can I provide u with a koha-common*.deb file for you to test? 21:16 jcamins Oh, on an existing bug? 21:16 jcamins wajasu: it means do not use that status. 21:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6130 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, henridamien, Pushed to Master , Letters: Fixing Subject encoding 21:14 wajasu what does "PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE)" mean. Though it says pushed to master. bug 6130 20:58 jcamins Hehe. Agreed. 20:57 bag sekjal should be required to sign in here more :) 20:57 jcamins Hi! 20:56 * sekjal waves 20:56 sekjal anyway, I've got to get to my bus. just wanted to pop in and wave "hi" 20:56 sekjal thankfully, I've got a pretty good immune system 20:55 * sekjal still gets devoured 20:54 jcamins Yeah, though I'm growing out of it as I age. :P 20:53 bag so I guess that means you're sweet too (heh) ;) 20:53 bag she's sweet ;) 20:53 bag Sonja is one too 20:53 bag oh sorry 20:53 jcamins That I knew. I am a mosquito magnet. 20:52 bag Basically always be careful of misquitos biting you - if you're going into a mosquito area - wear some bug repellant :) 20:51 bag we studied mosquitos - near bird nests in maryland… 20:50 jcamins Huh. You learn something new every day. 20:50 bag I used to study birds - pre koha - and a west nile study was one that I was invovled in 20:50 bag oh west nile - most of the mosquitos on the east coast have got it (well most = high percentage) 20:49 jcamins I have to tell you, those two things were not issues that I had previously considered. 20:49 bag now EEE that's a different issue 20:48 bag us being middle aged decently healthly people 20:48 bag it's like the flu for us 20:48 bag enh west nile is not that big a deal to us - but to younglings and oldlings - it is 20:47 jcamins Reasons 1 and 2 to not move to Massachusetts: West Nile virus and East Equine Encephalitis. 20:47 bag wow 20:47 sekjal hopefully we'll get our first hard frost soon 20:46 jcamins Yikes! 20:46 sekjal 4 cases of EEE so far 20:46 jcamins That's different. 20:46 jcamins Wow. 20:46 wahanui Of course! 20:46 jcamins Uhhhh... really? 20:46 sekjal and speaking of swarms, all evening activities are cancelled due to West Nile and East Equine Encephalitis risk 20:45 sekjal jcamins: bumpin'. all the students have swarmed back 20:45 jcamins Hi there, sekjal. How's UMass? :) 20:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories 20:41 jcamins Bug 8623. 20:41 sekjal hi, bag 20:41 bag wb sekjal 20:40 jcamins Hehe. I'll get the bug number for you. 20:39 tcohen he 20:39 tcohen i'm at home and wanted to get that .debs built 20:39 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI 20:39 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5024 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Debian packages don't include YUI plugins 20:39 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI 20:39 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8290 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace Greybox library with jQueryUI Dialog 20:39 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin 20:39 jcamins @query yui 20:38 huginn tcohen: There were no matching configuration variables. 20:38 tcohen @search yui 20:06 wajasu ok 20:06 tcohen we'll figure it out 20:06 wajasu i don't have a local one. 20:06 wajasu i will need a repo to pull them from 20:06 tcohen bye #koha! 20:06 tcohen wajasu, i'll bring you the packages tomorrow 20:05 wajasu time to write tests 20:05 wajasu i'm off the hook then 20:05 tcohen maybe tomorrow 20:05 tcohen hehe 20:05 tcohen so, my hands are empty and gotto leave! 20:05 jcamins Oh. Oops. :/ 20:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 20:05 tcohen so, I didn't get MY debs (for bug 8773) but just master ones 20:05 jcamins tcohen: that's good. :) 20:04 tcohen process 20:04 tcohen i was testing the ,deb building oricess 20:04 tcohen damn 20:04 jcamins tcohen++ 20:03 oleonard Bye #koha 20:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories 20:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 20:03 tcohen two fixes for bug 8233 and bug 8623 to get them 20:02 wajasu so i looks like tcohen got debs. 20:01 jcamins Right. 20:01 wajasu its probably not on master yet 20:00 jcamins wajasu: I think you signed off on it, too. :) 20:00 wajasu ok 20:00 jcamins wajasu: yes. 20:00 wajasu jcamins: just for the record. when i was testing the famfam patch, i noticed the suggestion HASH() showing. did you already address that in another bug? 19:58 jcamins Have a safe trip. 19:58 rangi Ok my stop gotta get the rental 19:58 rangi Could maybe use 19:57 rangi Opensuse have a build farm 19:57 rangi Yep 19:56 jcamins rangi: yeah, I've thought about that. It's one of those things that is permanently on my to-do list but never at the top. 19:55 rangi Build then shut it down 19:55 rangi For building could fire up a beastly ec2 19:54 rangi There are searchable archives linked from that page too 19:53 jcamins koyauni: it's very simple. You send an e-mail to the list, everyone who subscribes receives the e-mail, and anyone who wants to can respond. 19:52 koyauni I got that, already member, but got lost already :( 19:52 jcamins rangi: they tell me that current desktops are superior to 2yo laptops. ;) 19:51 jcamins koyauni: ^^ look there. 19:51 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 19:51 jcamins mailing lists? 19:51 koyauni so people can share experiences 19:51 jcamins koyauni: we already have mailing lists. 19:51 rangi Hmm 20 mins on my desktop 19:51 drojf for anything 19:51 drojf no google please 19:50 koyauni is nit better to create a google group forum for Koha, https://groups.google.com/forum/ 19:50 rangi Maybe after we finish dealing with lawyers over spurious trademarks we can revisit joining spi, then have a way to handle donations and set up a build farm :-) 19:50 jcamins tcohen: I have my laptop e-mail me when the build finishes, it takes so long. 19:49 tcohen wow, I got the .debs finally 19:48 tcohen we bought some 128GB servers last month, if they're not full of VM right now i'll ask for some RAM for testing 19:47 wajasu on tmpfs. 19:47 wajasu i tried it with a 6GB VM (why because i had 12GB RAM). but can't recall what i ran into. 19:46 jcamins I'd like to set it up building on tmpfs when I get my new server... at least until I need the spare RAM for other things. :) 19:46 jcamins tcohen: I am not sure, no. 19:46 tcohen maybe i'll try with a tmpfs 19:46 tcohen do u know how many GB does the pbuilder stuff need for building Koha? 19:45 jcamins tcohen: hehe. It does take a while. 19:44 * tcohen needs an ssd on his workstation to test .deb building without freaking out 19:44 jcamins But understand you may not get an immediate response. All the people in the Koha community who help out are doing it for free. 19:44 koyauni ok I try 19:43 jcamins koyauni: you should send a message to the mailing list. Perhaps someone else will have done it recently. 19:43 jcamins oleonard: looks like JS for YUI is ~212kb, and CSS is ~89k. 19:42 rangi Testing hardware 19:42 koyauni jcamins do you think there will be an answer to my issue or this room is the best I get on koha 19:42 rangi Te takere opens soon 19:42 * rangi is off to get a rental car then to Levin 19:41 jcamins koyauni: there is a mailing list. 19:41 oleonard The mailing list is that koyauni 19:41 koyauni <jcamins> there is not community base forum for koha then 19:40 rangi Yep 19:40 jcamins rangi: only with GPL3/3+. 19:40 rangi Cool that's compatible 19:40 jcamins No, it's a website. 19:40 jcamins *questions on the website 19:40 koyauni but it does not have that option do it, I mean it is not a forum I guess 19:40 cait good morning rangi :) 19:40 jcamins Use the mailing list. 19:40 jcamins koyauni: answers on the website are not answered. 19:40 jcamins rangi: Apache 2.0. 19:40 rangi What's the license on bootstrap? 19:40 jcamins oleonard: looks like bootstrap is a lot smaller than YUI. 19:40 koyauni http://koha-community.org/wp-admin/user/ 19:40 koyauni no I want to just post a question see if anyone can help 19:39 rangi Eythian's joke 19:39 oleonard rangi: ? 19:38 oleonard And the CSS can be slimmed down because we don't need all of it 19:38 oleonard cait: Bootstrap js: 25KB, bootstrap CSS: 96KB 19:37 tcohen hi rangi 19:37 rangi Hehe that joke fell flat 19:37 rangi Morning 19:35 cait 120k of assets? 19:34 jcamins Yay! 19:34 oleonard Definitely worth another 120K of assets, especially if we're dropping YUI for it 19:34 cait yay :) 19:34 cait :) 19:33 oleonard Wow, Bootstrap widgets are REALLY easy to use. 19:27 jcamins Why are you trying to edit the website? 19:26 jcamins koyauni: what? 19:26 koyauni this Koha community page is not active is it? I have created membership, and when I log in, all I can see is WorkPress member area, 19:26 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up, fix HTML4 coding guideline 19:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in 19:26 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 6151 - Followup - Change 'itemnumber' to 'barcode' 19:26 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 6151 - Followup - Display message for failed returns on circulation.pl when returning via issues table. 19:25 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 6151 follow-up DBREv & removing useless ` 19:25 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6151: Add AllowReturnToBranch system preference 19:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #837: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/837/ 19:20 jcamins The one time I tried building packages on master, it failed before it started because the Solr dependencies can't be installed. 19:19 jcamins No, I never even got that far in the build process to get that error. 19:18 tcohen is there a bug for that? 19:17 tcohen ok, i'll do it 19:17 jcamins tcohen: here's a thought for a temporary solution: just delete those files in debian/rules 19:16 tcohen anyone from biblibre? 19:15 jcamins It's not that the changes are inherently hard, but they do have to be done correctly, and it would be very easy to mess up other things. 19:15 jcamins koyauni: no, it will not. 19:14 koyauni then it will not be easy 19:14 jcamins tcohen: maybe add those files to debian/rules and stick them in /etc/koha/[whatever their path is in the repo]? 19:13 jcamins wajasu: right. :) 19:13 wajasu jcamins: ok i turned on the XSLT with "default" and see the BK.png in my details in opac and staff client. goning to just add a comment (no signoff needed) right? 19:13 jcamins koyauni: I do not know, and I am not going to encourage you to do something that might break your system. 19:12 koyauni http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/page/31484686/zebra%20configuration%20for%20regional%20language%20searching 19:12 tcohen but don't know if they need to be installed in koha/sites/<site> 19:12 koyauni jaxmins: can this one be the solution please 19:12 tcohen they look like might be installed in /etc/koha 19:12 jcamins tcohen: I don't know. I have been wondering that ever since they were pushed. 19:11 tcohen jcamins, what should be done with those solr files that break the build process?? 19:10 jcamins oleonard: as I recall, the only substantial objection was SIPServer's license, and and that has been relicensed to 2+. 19:10 drojf +1 for punish :P 19:09 oleonard punish them 19:09 cait stick it to liblime? 19:09 oleonard (though doing that would be a bonus) 19:09 oleonard Actually it should be simpler now if we don't include "stick it to Liblime" as one of the main goals 19:09 jcamins Hopefully we'll be able to agree. 19:08 cait and then return to it a year later and repeat? 19:08 jcamins oleonard seems to understand the procedure. 19:08 jcamins lol 19:08 oleonard Bicker about it for several months, do nothing. 19:08 cait do we have to get all developers to agree or can we update gpl a bit easier? 19:07 cait what is the procedure for updating? 19:07 cait one more reason to revisit the discussion soon 19:07 cait ah 19:07 jcamins cait: Apache 2.0 and GPL 2 are incompatible. 19:07 jcamins But there is nothing in the way of us upgrading to GPLv3+, now that SIPServer has been relicensed. 19:06 cait oh? 19:06 jcamins Exactly. 19:06 oleonard Right because right now we couldn't use Bootstrap because of the license? 19:06 jcamins Then we could potentially switch from YUI to bootstrap. :) 19:05 cait jcamins: sounds good to me 19:05 cait yay :) 19:05 jcamins After the 3.12 elections are over, we should pick up the discussion about GPL3+ again. 19:05 oleonard It has lots of stuff. 19:04 oleonard http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/components.html#buttonDropdowns 19:04 cait oleonard: bootstrap has menus? :) 19:03 jcamins Especially ditching YUI. 19:03 jcamins Sounds good to me. 19:03 * oleonard hates to add yet another different library but we should use what works 19:02 oleonard At least Bootstrap is being actively developed, unlike YUI, and has working menus, unlike jQueryUI 19:01 oleonard Right now we've got jqueryUI and YUI, we might do jqueryUI + Bootstrap 19:01 oleonard jcamins: Only if we decided to dump jQueryUI in favor of all Bootstrap 19:00 jcamins oleonard: does that mean I'd lose my sortable? :( 19:00 oleonard For the OPAC I think. 19:00 jcamins oleonard: mtj was doing a proof of concept with bootstrap. 18:59 oleonard Bootstrap's UI widgets offer a compelling alternative to YUI buttons and menus (not to mention jQueryUI's) 18:57 jcamins Yes please. 18:57 jcamins tcohen: make sure you include instructions for building packages for master (how you skipped the tests, and any other gotchas you encountered). 18:57 tcohen both previous patches are pushed, and should i obsolete them? 18:57 jcamins tcohen: yes please. 18:57 jcamins And I'm not going to suggest you try instructions that I don't know for sure are good, because you'd end up in a much worse situation. 18:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories 18:57 tcohen jcamins, should I send a folowup for bug 8623 to fix that debian/rules file? 18:56 jcamins Probably, but I don't know of any off the top of my head. 18:55 koyauni :( is there any instruction around I can follow please 18:55 jcamins koyauni: it is not enabled by default. As I said, configuring it is rather involved. 18:54 koyauni there is setting in Home › Administration › System preferences › Searching preferences for ICU, but it says that ICU should be enabled, do you think a installation by koha-common would have the this enabled 18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian Thank you jcamins! 18:52 wajasu ok 18:50 tcohen as building the packages for testing that patch is currently broken 18:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 18:50 tcohen if you're talking about bug 8773 hold on 18:50 wajasu creating the .deb packages 18:49 tcohen you mean my patch? or creating .deb packages for Koha::Contrib::Tamil? 18:49 wajasu tcohen: after i look at this famfamfam patch, do you still want me to try the pbuilder for Koha::Contrib::Tamil? 18:48 wajasu yeah. thats sufficient. 18:47 tcohen wajasu, just use my patches you signed, and change the interval to 10''? 18:46 jcamins wajasu: but that would mean maintaining an additional set of search routines, which is not something we want to do. ;) 18:45 wajasu jcamins: you know that idea i mentioned about the composable search plugin. what really fueled it was, when cataloging, a search for a bib is not immediately available(against zebra). so if we find no results, we could have a secondary search query directly against some of the database fields. 18:40 tcohen (fixed debian/rules for opac at least, trying again) 18:40 jcamins Possibly this is not the issue after all, then. 18:39 jcamins tcohen: really? I didn't actually check whether the patch I was thinking of had been pushed or not. 18:39 tcohen mmm, koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/yui is not on master yet 18:39 koyauni if I find instruction I might be able to do it 18:38 koyauni http://library.koyauniversity.org/ 18:38 jcamins koyauni: you have to configure it by editing the configuration manually. Unfortunately, it is a bit involved. 18:38 koyauni I thought Koha is UTF8 enabled and language would not matter 18:37 wahanui ICU is needed, if you want to search non-Roman characters with Zebra 18:37 koyauni where do I find this ICU 18:37 jcamins tcohen: koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/lib/yui and koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/yui 18:36 wahanui i heard path was set in C4/Templates.pm 18:36 tcohen path? 18:36 wahanui icu is needed, if you want to search non-Roman characters with Zebra 18:36 jcamins icu? 18:36 jcamins koyauni: you need to activate ICU. I am not sure if there are instructions you could easily follow. 18:36 tcohen link to the new yui libs? 18:36 jcamins Plus, the Solr dependencies can't be built on Squeeze, so I wouldn't be able to test anyway. 18:35 koyauni when you search in Arabic it always shows the same records, any idea how this can be fixed please 18:35 jcamins I can't test that now. 18:35 jcamins If you change the yui lines to refer to the new yui location, that might fix it. 18:35 koyauni We are new user of Koha for our university Library, it has multi lingual records, but the search is giving accurate result in English only, 18:34 jcamins tcohen: well, debian/rules is failing. It's not a test. That's the actual build process. 18:33 koyauni hello koha! 18:33 * tcohen finds disturbing that he can't build deb packages even when using DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck 18:31 jcamins (looking at the way we install YUI using packages) 18:30 jcamins Wow... that's... different. 18:29 jcamins Also, bug 5024 should probably be fixed. 18:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories 18:29 jcamins No, this would be a follow-up to bug 8623. 18:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5024 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Debian packages don't include YUI plugins 18:28 oleonard Bug 5024? 18:28 huginn jcamins: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. 18:28 jcamins @more 18:28 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI 18:28 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5024 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Debian packages don't include YUI plugins 18:28 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI 18:28 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8290 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace Greybox library with jQueryUI Dialog 18:28 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8278 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Replace YUI autocomplete in UNIMARC 210c plugin 18:28 jcamins @query yui 18:28 jcamins Never saw that issue before. 18:28 jcamins No. 18:28 wahanui i guess bug # is there 18:28 tcohen bug #? 18:28 jcamins I didn't realize that debian/rules had a special set of instructions for installing YUI. 18:28 tcohen are there patches for that? 18:27 jcamins I guess we need a follow-up for that. 18:27 tcohen i don't have enough scroll lines 18:27 jcamins Hmm. 18:27 tcohen $(TMP)/usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui 18:27 tcohen rm -r \ 18:26 tcohen install -m 0644 koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui/skin.css I think 18:26 jcamins tcohen: really? What files? 18:26 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: the report you were looking at was written by khall. He may be able to help you refine it to do what you want, since he has access to your system. 18:26 tcohen no, missing files on cp or rm -r 18:25 jcamins I keep on trying to fix that. 18:25 jcamins tcohen: spaces instead of tabs? 18:24 tcohen debian/rules failed in several lines 18:24 jcamins tcohen: no, I don't think we do. 18:24 YoungPublicLibrarian The only problem with that link, drojf, is that some of the reports there don't work the way they are described to work... 18:24 bag good morning :) 18:24 tcohen do we have nightly master .deb packages? I mean, is anyone able to build .deb packages from master? 18:24 drojf i guess my wireless cable fell out 18:23 drojf hm 18:22 drojf jcamins: ocs looks fancy 18:21 cait hm it still might be ;) 18:21 drojf so they did not poison us :D 18:21 cait waiting for a baking pumpkin :) 18:21 cait also better 18:21 drojf better. how are you? 18:20 cait how is your head? 18:20 cait lol 18:20 jcamins lol 18:20 drojf i thought i saw cait waving, but then this huge, loud jenkins-huginn-train drove by 18:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #837 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago) 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8765 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Add series title to intranet search results 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8713 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Warning message triggered by clicking keyword to marc mapping. 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8727 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Correct help text in rebuild_zebra_sliced.sh 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7690 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , hidelostitems not working in Normal Display 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8714 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Poorly ordered and triggers warning in marctagstructure.pl 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8705 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Software error on help of main page 18:19 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8765 follow-up replace tabs by spaces 18:18 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 8765 - Add series title to intranet search results 18:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4491 trivial, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Cleaning some weird code in *search.pl 18:18 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8713 - Warning message triggered by clicking Keywords to MARC mapping 18:18 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8727 Minor stylistic change to help text 18:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7991 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display in a holding summary tab informations about serial record 18:18 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 7690: hidelostitems not working in Normal Display 18:18 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8714 - Poorly ordered and triggers warning in marctagstructure.pl 18:18 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8705: Software error on help of main page 18:18 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 4491: FIX buildQuery if called with an empty limit 18:18 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 4491: fix weird code in search scripts 18:18 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7991: Add itemcallnumber into the serial collection tab 18:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #836: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/836/ 18:18 cait sounds like an interesting find 18:18 * cait waves 18:18 cait :) 18:16 jcamins I mean, I'm not sure that's what's going on here, but it seems possible. 18:16 jcamins drojf: exactly right. 18:16 drojf old church slavonic? (or how that is said in english) 18:16 jcamins Maybe it's the OCS alphabet! 18:14 drojf YoungPublicLibrarian: i heard the wiki is kind of an expert http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 18:12 jcamins SJeffery: I didn't say I understood Greek, just that it wasn't unusual. 18:11 SJeffery Well good, you can handle all of our Greek stuff from now on:) 18:09 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone! I'm looking for a total expert on creating reports in Koha. 18:09 jcamins Or something that looks remarkably like the Imperial seal. 18:09 jcamins SJeffery: Greek is not unusual. What's unusual is that it's using the Cyrillic alphabet and is around the Imperial seal of Russia. 18:08 SJeffery Welcome to my world:) 18:08 jcamins It is Greek. 18:06 cait that's what I meant ... ;)I 18:05 jcamins Perplexing is what it is! 18:04 cait sounds nice :) 18:04 jcamins With the Russian Imperial seal. 18:03 jcamins Ooh. A bookplate in a language that might or might not be Greek. 17:58 libsysguy its fancy 17:58 libsysguy uses jquery-ui mobile for his drupal site 17:57 datadoctor And I am ++++ for jquery mobile - I think it is very cool! 17:56 datadoctor I mean teasing... 17:56 datadoctor I'm testing oleonard, I use jquery on all my websites. Nonetheless I think the YUI tools are pretty cool. 17:56 * libsysguy can deal 17:55 jcamins But changing the API between versions is really, *really* annoying. 17:55 libsysguy jQuery +1 from me 17:54 jcamins For the record, I really like jQuery. 17:54 oleonard datadoctor: And jquery hasn't "insinuated itself" into anything. It has become popular. 17:54 datadoctor Yes! YUI is the coolest. I vote for YUI! 17:53 libsysguy or yui 17:53 oleonard datadoctor: http://yuilibrary.com/ ? 17:53 jcamins Maybe. 17:53 libsysguy if they don't use jquery they use mootools or scriptilous 17:53 datadoctor just like we became dependent on java, until Oracle ate it! 17:53 jcamins datadoctor: ... ones with blink tags? ;) 17:52 datadoctor jquery has insinuated itself into everything - is there a website that doesn't use it? 17:52 libsysguy hey now, you're hitting a little close to home there jcamins :p 17:52 jcamins But an awesome one, of course. 17:52 jcamins ;) 17:52 jcamins jQuery is just a nuisance. 17:51 jcamins The XSLT results are where you can find a famfamfam icon. 17:51 datadoctor got it! 17:51 jcamins datadoctor: those are two different conversations. 17:51 datadoctor am thinking it was a relative path problem - maybe the css was conistent between jquery mobile versions - what do you see as the problem with the xslt results? 17:50 libsysguy so now we have to upgrade 17:50 libsysguy but the add has to be attached to the cursor, so you're forced to click on it. I'm pretty sure thats only a feature in jquery 1.8 17:49 libsysguy ^^ 17:49 datadoctor now I 17:49 jcamins SJeffery: with a banner going across the top of the page saying "You win!" 17:49 libsysguy SJeffery please do, I really want some flashing banner adds on the intranet side 17:49 jcamins (on the OPAC) 17:49 jcamins All those little icons. 17:49 jcamins Oh. XSLT results page. 17:48 libsysguy -_- 17:48 libsysguy jquery 17:48 libsysguy guess where the conflicts are 17:48 SJeffery Wait a minute, we can have bouncing effects? Can we also use the blink tag? I will submit an enhancement request! 17:48 libsysguy so I just went to rebase my working branch 17:48 jcamins wajasu: they're all over. Let me think. 17:47 wajasu jcamins: I am sitting here with 8624 applied as a standard install. with the SIGNED off patch. any place/page i can go to confirm a fam icon? 17:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6151 follow-up, fix HTML4 coding guideline <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9acabe44a40dbd8aa6ce2662fea174a9ca51f8ae> / Bug 6151 - Followup - Change 'itemnumber' to 'barcode' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf61215e9e257fe7a388e44b4f2fcd47cf4a7a51> / Bug 6151 - Followup - Display message for failed returns on circulation.pl when retur... <http://git.koha-c 17:47 jcamins lol 17:46 libsysguy but how else am I supposed to engage the patrons by having their results use the quad-bounce-flash effect as they come in through my ajax queries 17:46 wajasu tcohen: saw the email. thx :) 17:46 jcamins libsysguy: if you use bouncing effects in the OPAC, you are dead to me. :P 17:45 datadoctor We just updated our jquery mobile and it broke a lot of our css. 17:45 libsysguy all those bouncing effects 17:45 libsysguy think of all the features we are missing out on :p 17:45 jcamins And jQuery is already up to 1.8 something. 17:44 libsysguy code* 17:44 libsysguy we need a bot to pull in the latest stable releases for our releases that include other cod 17:44 jcamins Huge scope for regressions. 17:44 libsysguy sweet baby jesus 17:44 libsysguy we were on 1.3.2 o_0 17:43 jcamins But he doesn't. 17:43 * jcamins will allow that he is not rangi, so rangi might have a different opinion. 17:43 jcamins And the scope for regressions with a jQuery upgrade from 1.3.2 to 1.7.1 is *massive*. 17:42 jcamins Mostly. 17:42 libsysguy ^^ honest question 17:42 libsysguy is it just because only bug fixes get pushed and not enhancements? 17:42 * libsysguy just saw that email from oleonard 17:42 jcamins libsysguy: that is, I know the answer. It will not be. 17:41 jcamins libsysguy: no. 17:41 libsysguy jcamins, rangi, paul_p 17:41 libsysguy anybody know if the latest version of jquery will be pushed to the stable branches 17:41 SJeffery If I search for an OCLC number and have it search two servers, and both return one results, the results are not in the same order each time. 17:40 jcamins Unless you're only searching one server, in which case I am utterly perplexed. 17:40 SJeffery Hmm. I suppose that makes sense. 17:39 jcamins SJeffery: I didn't know that Koha did, but I'll speculate that it depends on which server responds first. 17:38 SJeffery Does anyone know why Koha changes the order that Z39.50 results are displayed in depending on the results? 17:36 jcamins_away Wow, nice! 17:33 wahanui i guess jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it! 17:33 tcohen oh, jcamins_away 17:32 tcohen jcamins,wajasu: did u get my email? 17:23 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Setting Circ & Fine Rules in Koha 3.4 http://t.co/xY4zvLsb" 17:23 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Easier to find Koha tutorial videos http://t.co/wTv5BIDJ" 17:23 chris_n broken_stable-- 17:22 chris_n but I'm not entirely focused on ils foo right now, so have not had time to shake it out yet 17:22 jcamins ... or maybe it did break entirely 17:22 * chris_n has been having some issues with od notices on 3.8.3 17:22 jcamins chris_n: but I use 3.6.x exclusively, and my libraries don't circulate. 17:21 jcamins chris_n: I think it did not. 17:21 chris_n so sending overdue notices did not break? 17:13 jcamins chris_n: sending baskets entirely stopped working for a while, and I think a change to overdue notices broke some of the placeholders. 17:12 chris_n jcamins: what sort of problems 17:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #836 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 15 days ago) 17:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8765 follow-up replace tabs by spaces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cbca4e8b0e2143fe5ec1bb221ace0e51597ac308> / Bug 8765 - Add series title to intranet search results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=308654bad48d096299d3e7fbd37e9eab1317a4bc> / Bug 8713 - Warning message triggered by clicking Keywords to MARC mapping <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ 17:05 * jcamins waves to datadoctor, whispers about Koha's theme functionality. 17:03 wajasu ok. i'll do a standard install. 17:02 mbalmer yes, don't backport bugs, indeed. 17:01 jcamins mbalmer: it's working now, and has had problems in 3.8.x and master. Why risk importing those problems to 3.6.x? 17:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , famfamfam should be outside theme directory 17:01 jcamins Could someone respond to bug 8624 saying that A) I tested it with a standard install initially, but a lot has been pushed since then, B) it's only famfamfam because small changes are better than big ones. 17:00 mbalmer ??? 17:00 jcamins I mean I won't accept patches that touch Koha's e-mail generating code. 17:00 jcamins No. 17:00 wajasu what does that mean. you only pull from bugzilla? 16:59 jcamins And I am refusing all e-mail-related patches at this time, since they only seem to cause more problems than they solve. :( 16:59 jcamins At least, they seem to be. 16:59 wajasu ok 16:58 jcamins (in 3.6.x) 16:58 jcamins wajasu: overdue notices are working. 16:58 wajasu maybe its not broken in 3.6, so i will forget about that. 16:57 wajasu are there alot of 3.6.x folks deployed. i wonder if i should attach a 3.6.x patch to the bug as well. so they can get their overdues notices running again. 16:47 jcamins Someone from BibLibre: you should ask him. Inquiring minds want to know. :) 16:47 wajasu tcohen: are you working on the pbuilder for the Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexDaemon? should i try now? 16:46 * jcamins wonders if Christophe is related to Andre Croullebois, bookseller at the end of the eighteenth century. 16:40 jcamins lol 16:39 chris_n jumping into the melodrama that is :-) 16:39 * chris_n just could not resist 16:34 jcamins Woohoo! 16:34 tcohen liw, jcamins, it worked 16:25 huginn wajasu: downloading the Perl source 16:25 wahanui i think eliza is the one you're thinking of 16:25 wajasu huginn: do you know eliza? 16:24 huginn wajasu: downloading the Perl source 16:24 wajasu huginn: when will RDA be ready? 16:24 tcohen i think is a git bug anyway 16:24 huginn jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 16:24 jcamins huginn: do you warn people you are a bot? 16:23 wajasu tcohen: i found the day i had the same discussion with jcamins. http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-08-30 no git version mentioned though. 16:20 tcohen if it doesnt work I'll empty t/ :-P 16:20 liw no worries 16:19 tcohen yes jcamins, thanks liw 16:19 jcamins tcohen: that seems promising. 16:19 jcamins liw++ 16:17 cait liw++ :) 16:17 liw jcamins, in that case, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules-options specifies the env var to set (DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck), but I don't recall how to get pbuilder to set it (maybe: sudo DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck pbuilder ....) 16:16 * cait waves :) 16:16 jcamins liw: right. 16:16 liw jcamins, do you mean how to tell pbuilder to tell the package to not run its build-time tests? 16:15 jcamins (when using build-git-snapshot) 16:15 jcamins liw: I don't suppose you know how to make pbuilder skip tests? 16:14 * mveron says hello to cait 16:14 jcamins eythian would know, but he's not here. 16:12 tcohen wajasu, jcamins, ok 16:11 jcamins tcohen: unfortunately, I can't figure out which environment variable that would be. 16:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Easier to find Koha tutorial videos http://t.co/7cj7igUt #kohails" 16:10 wajasu git version 16:10 wajasu i'm on version 1.7.12, but if you search the irc logs you will se i had this conversation about this in june or august and i might have mentioned the git version this was fixed. 16:10 tcohen ok 16:09 wajasu tcohen: just put a note: that on recent git versions (, one doesn't need the format headers = content-type line. 16:08 jcamins I think you can skip tests using an environment variable. 16:08 tcohen # Failed test 'use C4::HoldsQueue;' 16:08 jcamins Oh dear. 16:08 jcamins tcohen: they fail? 16:08 tcohen jcamins, they fail right now, and need to test that patch 16:07 tcohen wajasu, I can login to wiki 16:07 jcamins tcohen: I do not, no. I've always wanted them to run. 16:07 jcamins Or you can delegate to someone else who is here who can log in to the wiki at present (not me). 16:07 tcohen jcamins, do u know how to disable tests for building ,debs? 16:07 jcamins Yes it does. 16:06 wajasu that means i need to get a login. 16:06 wajasu it seems to have been needed in the past, but if you are in a newer git vesion you get dups. 16:06 jcamins :) 16:06 jcamins You should update the wiki to note that isn't required on recent versions of git. 16:06 jcamins Cool! 16:06 wajasu yes 16:06 wajasu i took headers = "content-Type: ... line out. so no dups when patches are applied. 16:05 jcamins wajasu: removing that line fixes the problem, and doesn't garble UTF-8 commits? 16:05 wajasu jcamins: was it that .gitconfig [format] things that everyone did. then i found that in newer git versions thats not needed. 16:02 jcamins Ooh! Maybe this was one of Cristophe's ancestors! A bookseller in Paris ca. 1789! 16:01 jcamins I don't know why. 16:01 jcamins No, git does it. 16:01 tcohen (nevermind, used git-bz, no gmail) 16:01 tcohen (maybe gmail...) 16:01 tcohen do u know if it is a bug in git bz? or my own setup? 16:00 jcamins tcohen: if you open up the patch in a text editor, you can remove the second Content-Type line, and it will start working again. 15:59 tcohen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 15:59 tcohen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 15:59 tcohen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 15:59 tcohen it is strange that the patch says: 15:59 tcohen fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8 15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 15:59 tcohen i get an error message when applying patch fr Bug 8773 (on friday It didn't cause this trouble) 15:54 jcamins Good enough for me. :) 15:52 * oleonard learned the song in roundabout way, from a Stan Freberg album on which he does a version 15:49 jcamins oleonard++ # for getting the reference 15:48 oleonard It takes judgement, brains, and maturity 15:48 wajasu and a horse with no name 15:47 jcamins And a cool head and a keen eye. 15:47 jcamins tcohen: and horse sense. 15:46 tcohen everything a RM needs :-P 15:45 tcohen :) 15:45 jcamins :) 15:45 * jcamins uses git log and a steady hand. 15:45 tcohen i tried gitg 15:44 jcamins Well, there may be a GUI tool, but I don't use it. 15:44 jcamins tcohen: command-line. 15:44 tcohen jcamins, is there a GUI tool for cherry-picking or is it done in command-line? 15:42 wajasu ahh 15:31 oleonard Nice to hear eythian is located somewhere. 15:27 wahanui i guess eythian is a good influence or located somewhere. 15:27 jcamins eythian. 15:27 tcohen do u know whos responsible of creating perl packages for debian.k-c.org? 15:26 tcohen perfect 15:26 jcamins So far as I understand, yes. 15:25 tcohen the result would be an overwrite of base.tgz? 15:25 jcamins (plus whatever arguments you want to pass it) 15:25 jcamins It's just sudo pbuilder create 15:25 jcamins Wait, without the -- before create 15:25 jcamins That should work. 15:24 tcohen ? 15:24 tcohen $ sudo pbuilder --create --distribution precise --architecture amd64 15:24 tcohen thanks jcamins 15:23 jcamins tcohen: sudo pbuilder create 15:20 tcohen anyone, how can I completely reset my pbuild base system? 15:07 reiveune1 bye 15:02 tcohen wajasu: no problem 14:59 wajasu i have to do a patch for 3.8 first, so i'll try later today. 14:57 tcohen bye eythian 14:56 * eythian has to go, bye all 14:56 eythian enough for a minimal debian install 14:56 eythian yeah, you should have a fair bit of space 14:55 wajasu i remember now. i am running debian in a VM. and to build a deb pacakge pbuilder needs to bootstrap another debian (or chroot) within i think, and i hadn't allocated enought VM disk space, so i bailed. let me see if i can. 14:54 tcohen wajasu, it's the same use of koha-index-daemon, adjusted to .deb per instance setup 14:53 wajasu i originally tested that bug. i might take a shot at trying to build a deb package. i can try. 14:53 tcohen do u know who can help on getting Koha::Contrib::tamil to be packaged?¿ 14:51 tcohen but I'd like to test it anyway 14:51 tcohen yes, i've added the dependecy on that bug 14:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8774 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , make a deb package of Koha::Contrib::Tamil::IndexerDaemon 14:50 eythian bug 8774 14:49 eythian tcohen: there was another bug along those lines too 14:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup 14:46 * tcohen is looking for a good soul with .deb-generating skills to provide packages to test Bug 8773 14:46 slef Plack Handbook http://bit.ly/PqZnJU 14:45 eythian I was ignoring that as it was strange 14:45 * oleonard can't understand why an $author '' should be converted to $author ' ' 14:44 eythian heh 14:44 * oleonard wonders if there was supposed to be more to that commit message 14:44 eythian ) 14:43 eythian (the precedence differs though 14:43 eythian it's a common shorthand, though I think I prefer using && as it looks a bit more distinctive. 14:43 oleonard Commit message for that change: "circulation.pl cleaned up. I think you'll like the difference. Less" 14:41 libsysguy or at least not the most obvious way 14:41 libsysguy that seems like a weird way to do it 14:41 oleonard Okay, thanks 14:40 eythian same as $boolean && do_something() 14:40 eythian if author is '', then make it be ' ' 14:40 eythian no it's not 14:40 eythian oh 14:40 eythian that's weird 14:40 eythian oleonard: erm 14:39 oleonard ($it->{'author'} eq '') and $it->{'author'} = ' '; 14:39 oleonard Can someone please explain this syntax to me? 14:37 libsysguy actually jcamins++ for generally always having a test plan 14:36 * libsysguy sympathizes with oleonard 14:34 oleonard Although khall++ for adding one when asked directly 14:34 * oleonard grumbles that no one added a test plan as a result of his plea for test plans 14:20 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 14:20 eythian @later tell druthb does your migration toolkit stuff handle symphony unicorn? 14:19 wajasu i can do that. 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 14:19 wajasu i see my bug 8378 got pushed to master. yay? chris said i need to create patch for 3.8. 14:15 oleonard eythian++ 14:15 eythian heh 14:15 tcohen eythian, i'm amazed of your response to that weird paul 14:07 * mtompset waves. 14:06 mtompset melted brains != stupid... smart overloaded. :) 14:05 oleonard Exactly. People who like things we don't like are stupid. 14:05 mtompset Good day (24 hour period), #koha. 14:05 mtompset Anyways. I'm still recovering from this sore throat and ear ache mess. Better get some regular hours of sleep. 14:03 mtompset I thought php was a language written by people with melted brains. ;) 14:01 huginn mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 20 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 19. 14:01 mtompset @karma mtompset 14:01 huginn mtompset: mtompset\ has neutral karma. 14:01 mtompset @karma mtompset\ 14:01 mtompset OOO.... nasty karma counts. 13:55 Waylon hmm? indexes for advanced search? 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=777 minor, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, permissions for librarians 13:55 Waylon bug 777 13:54 * jcamins_away really leaves, now. 13:54 jcamins_away Nice! 13:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Allow the librarians to specify the search indexes for advanced search 13:54 jcamins_away bug 5773 # happy new year 13:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=666 major, P2, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Unnecessary use of non-core perl module 13:54 Waylon bug 666 13:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1 major, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Missing uploadedmarc table definition 13:54 Waylon bug 1 13:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=0 was not found. 13:54 eythian bug 0 13:54 eythian aww 13:54 eythian bug -1 13:54 Waylon hmm.. how... uninteresting. 13:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=42 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, installer.pl could prompt user to send testing results in 13:53 Waylon bug 42 13:53 * Waylon idly curious. 13:53 Waylon ah 13:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac 13:52 Waylon bug 7067 13:52 Waylon gnight all. 13:52 Waylon okay, im done for night. 13:51 Waylon php is a language that melts brains. 13:49 gmcharlt C++ # gives us speedy and useful things like Yaz and Zebra 13:49 oleonard :P 13:49 oleonard php++ 13:49 oleonard khall: Follow-up submitted for 7067 13:49 Waylon php-- 13:49 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010) 13:49 gmcharlt @quote random 13:49 huginn Waylon: PHP has neutral karma. 13:49 Waylon @karma PHP 13:49 huginn Waylon: php has neutral karma. 13:49 Waylon @karma php 13:49 eythian no, huginn does that here 13:49 Waylon ah.. wahanui isn't tracking karma? 13:49 wajasu but, there are lots of auths with duplicates and maybe buggy dups I need to research. 13:49 huginn eythian: Karma for "C" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16. 13:49 eythian @karma C 13:48 huginn eythian: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 13 times for a total karma of -13. 13:48 eythian @karma liblime 13:48 wahanui i haven't a clue, waylon 13:48 Waylon wahanui, karma for liblime? 13:48 wajasu no holdings, no circ, no budgets, just bibs, 13:48 eythian that's the one 13:48 wahanui Since Wed Aug 29 09:23:54 2012, there have been 896 modifications and 255 questions. I have been awake for 19 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, 39 seconds this session, and currently reference 21198 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. 13:48 eythian wahanui: status 13:48 wahanui eythian: excuse me? 13:48 eythian wahanui: info 13:48 Waylon wahanui, help? 13:47 wahanui waylon: no idea 13:47 Waylon wahanui, version? 13:47 Waylon ah... not as bad as mine then, wajasu 13:47 wajasu Waylon: removing biblioitems script. 13:46 wajasu Waylon: custom XSLT, patron images, some javascript for custom cart/list buttons 13:46 Waylon ah.. not 25.. 16 or so 13:46 eythian wajasu: you'll also find it in the 'help' menu of emacs 13:46 wajasu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA wow my memory is in wikipedia 13:45 wahanui wish i knew, waylon 13:45 Waylon wahanui, are you a bot? 13:45 Waylon i have something like 25 mods. 13:45 Waylon wajasu, how much modding do you need to port to koha master? 13:44 wajasu this bot reminds me of a program i downloaded off a BBS in 1979 called eliza. it was a psychologist that prompted conversation. 13:43 wahanui echo in here 13:43 Waylon Is there an echo in here? 13:43 wahanui OK, Waylon. 13:43 Waylon wahanui: \is there an echo in here? is <reply> echo in here 13:43 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, waylon 13:43 Waylon wahanui: \is there an echo in here? is <reply> echo in here\? 13:43 Waylon hahaha 13:43 wahanui waylon: bugger all, i dunno 13:43 Waylon wahanui: \is there an echo in here? is <reply> echo in here? 13:43 wahanui Waylon: I forgot is there an echo in here 13:43 Waylon wahanui, forget is there an echo in here 13:43 Waylon ahf.. 13:43 wahanui OK, Waylon. 13:43 Waylon wahanui: \is there an echo in here is <reply> echo in her 13:42 wahanui Waylon: I forgot is there an echo in here 13:42 Waylon wahanui, forget is there an echo in here 13:42 * jcamins packs up and heads into the city. 13:42 jcamins Sorry, Waylon, I tried. 13:42 wahanui I didn't have anything matching '\is there an echo in here', jcamins 13:42 jcamins wahanui: \is there an echo in here =~ s/#/?/ 13:41 wahanui That doesn't contain '#', jcamins 13:41 jcamins wahanui: echo =~ s/#/?/ 13:41 wahanui echo in here# 13:41 jcamins is there an echo in here? 13:41 Waylon cool. but what mods you got to deal with? 13:41 wahanui OK, jcamins. 13:41 jcamins wahanui: \is there an echo in here is <reply> echo in here# 13:41 wajasu Waylon: i am thinking of doing my migration form 3.0 to master this week, now that I see your struggles. I'll keep notes. 13:40 Waylon okay.. i fail. 13:40 Waylon Is there an echo in here? 13:40 Waylon wahanui, Is there an echo in here? =~ s/#/echo in here/ 13:40 mib_yqrzg1 I see. Thanks for explaining it to me. 13:40 Waylon hmmm. 13:40 Waylon Is there an echo in here? 13:39 jcamins Staff client, not so much. 13:39 jcamins mib_yqrzg1: the OPAC is mostly translated for 3.8.x. 13:39 mib_yqrzg1 Thank you for your help! 13:39 wajasu i see carton and cpanfile in wheezy. 13:39 eythian mib_yqrzg1: you'd have to have a look, it might well be the OPAC is well translated but the staff client isn't so much 13:39 khall it's a great tool. I've been using it for catalyst framework based applications. 13:38 eythian wajasu: nope. I just make .deb files and put them in the repo 13:38 mib_yqrzg1 Thank you. So, if I am understanding it correctly, the Polish version of Koha (to take one example) is in progress but not yet ready to be used? 13:38 jcamins khall: I don't know enough about cpan minus to comment. 13:38 wahanui echo? 13:38 eythian echo? 13:38 wahanui OK, eythian 13:38 eythian wahanui: echo =~ s/#/?/ 13:38 wahanui OK, eythian. 13:38 eythian wahanui: echo is <reply>echo# 13:38 wajasu ethian. have you thought about using carton and cpanfile to build a local::lib of koha modules? i can use -L to "contain" everything without using the OS distribution. 13:38 khall Echo? 13:38 jcamins lol 13:37 eythian Echo? 13:37 jcamins Is there an echo in here? 13:37 khall is there any reason we shouldn't just use cpan minus and put all Koha it's own perl land separate from the OS's? We could then put the deps in the git repo and simplify installation. 13:37 eythian mib_yqrzg1: that URL is the answer 13:37 jcamins mib_yqrzg1: you can look at that page to see the status of the various translations. 13:37 eythian heh 13:37 jcamins Oops. 13:37 wahanui i already had it that way, jcamins. 13:37 jcamins no, wahanui, translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/ 13:36 eythian no wahanui, translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/ 13:36 jcamins translate? 13:36 eythian hmm 13:36 wahanui translations are always committed on the stable branches 13:36 eythian translations? 13:36 mib_yqrzg1 Hello, where can I find which languages the Koha software is available in? 13:36 jcamins No, I roll my own packages if I need something on in Squeeze. 13:36 eythian I build them myself if I must 13:35 eythian no 13:35 wajasu do you guys use that debian unstable repo for things like latter cpan modules? 13:34 eythian this is a bug about testing 13:34 mtompset I thought bugs were supposed to be short, tiny, testable pieces? 13:34 mveron Hi #koha 13:34 eythian that's often how we structure things internally 13:34 jcamins (241 comments much!) 13:34 jcamins It gets to be a bit much. 13:33 jcamins khall: no, I think I'm in agreement with you. 13:33 khall it would be better to use it as a parent bug with many blocks, but I think that's me wanting to normalize it like a database. 13:33 wajasu i'm glad your are persuing this mtompset. :) 13:32 eythian I think that 5327 is cheating however, as it's a rolling bug 13:32 mtompset Well, email sent off to Colin regarding DateTime::TimeZone. 13:32 eythian star ratings only made it up to 91 :( 13:31 jcamins Maybe time to open a new bug for that. 13:31 jcamins Sure is. 13:31 khall wow, 241. That's impressive. 13:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, bart.tj, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules 13:31 oleonard Bug 5327 holds the record 13:30 khall heh, do you know which bug is the current record holder? 13:30 oleonard khall: 7067 doesn't hold the record, I checked :) 13:30 * khall wonder what the record is for most comments on a bug. 7067 has 93 at the moment. 13:29 khall also good news! Let me know when you post your patch, and I'll give it a test. 13:28 khall excellent! It should be pretty easy to test. 13:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac 13:28 * oleonard is finishing his follow-up for Bug 7067 13:28 oleonard Thanks khall I will test it today 13:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8559 normal, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , conflicting item statuses 13:28 khall just finished a new solution for bug 8559, this one should satisfy oleonard. It forces a librarian to either cancel the waiting hold, or revert it to a non-waiting hold when issuing a currently waiting item to a different patron. 13:26 * eythian pokes through some java code I haven't looked at since 2009 13:26 eythian I think the SDK one is a bit simpler, but if you need fancier stuff later, you can just drop in sfl4j and it'll become the manager for the internal stuff. or something like that. 13:25 jcamins wajasu: yeah, that makes sense to me as the *first* approach would try, not the last. :) 13:24 wajasu most everyone uses slf4j.org API, and its pluggable. 13:24 eythian which makes a bit of sense I guess 13:23 eythian oh, actually, apparently I use Java's inbuilt logging system 13:23 jcamins wajasu: I like strongly-typed languages, but it wouldn't even occur to me to write my own logger from scratch. 13:22 wajasu strong typed dev, with a team vs dynamic typing annd lots of bugs later and work pushed to QA and tests needed even more. 13:22 * eythian wrote one, and then later changed it to all be log4j or whatever it is 13:21 jcamins Hehe. 13:21 eythian It's usually the defining line between someone with experience and someone without, whether they go and do that. 13:20 * jcamins thinks the Java world must be a very strange place. 13:20 eythian before they discover lig4j or commons-logging or whatever 13:20 jcamins wtf? 13:20 wajasu slf4j 13:20 eythian yeah 13:20 jcamins eythian: where everyone writes their own loggers? 13:19 eythian it was a very common thing there 13:19 eythian I used to live in the java world 13:19 eythian ah right 13:19 jcamins eythian: Recommended against writing a logger from scratch. 13:19 eythian also there are non-specific security issues. 13:19 jcamins wajasu: /usr/bin/perl is required by Debian. 13:19 eythian what'd I do now? 13:19 jcamins eythian++ 13:18 wajasu the other thing. when i was building archlinux, i did a grep search/replace script to use #!/usr/bin/env perl and things ran fine. I think i recal finding some rogue perl being called and required a manulal edit though. 13:16 jcamins I don't think he's on IRC much anymore. 13:16 jcamins Or send an e-mail? 13:16 jcamins Post a note on the bug? 13:16 mtompset Sorry, but the name is just a name to me. Ask how? 13:15 jcamins mtompset: there's no point in speculating. Ask Colin. 13:15 eythian wajasu: it can take a fair bit of disk sometimes. 13:15 eythian mtompset: probably because they revised the dependencies 13:15 wajasu i started to build packages in my debian VM, but i think i needed too much disk space in it, or something. then someone shoed me the kc repo 13:14 liw eythian, you have no escape, you're an expert now :) 13:14 mtompset But if DateTime 0.58 requires 1.26, then why does 0.61 only require 1.20? 13:14 eythian aww man 13:14 * liw points at eythian and says "expert" 13:13 oleonard I'm sticking with expert. 13:13 eythian it's designed not to be too much of an ivory tower process :) 13:13 jcamins eythian: since liw left the Debian packaging to you. 13:13 wajasu good to know. 13:13 eythian I'm sure others have too 13:13 eythian jcamins and magnuse have both built packages. 13:12 wajasu who else builds packages? 13:12 eythian since when did I become an expert? 13:12 jcamins Yes. 13:12 wajasu now i remember. eythian is robin :) the pbuilder expert? 13:09 jcamins Though I could've told you which bug without checking, actually. ;) 13:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans 13:09 jcamins wajasu: yes, that's how I got bug 5549 13:08 tcohen morning #koha 13:07 mtj poss. as a dep of DateTime-0.58 ? 13:07 wajasu i guess, with those hashes on the left, one could find/associate what commit and bug#? 13:07 mtj ask him why he decided on 1.26 ? 13:06 mtj so, colin added those deps... 13:06 mtj c82d114f (Colin Campbell 13:06 mtj $ git blame -L 204 ./C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm 13:03 mtompset Yes, jcamins you grok git good. How search? 13:03 wajasu is something like that available in gitweb? 13:03 wajasu how do you guys do a historical git search where somethings like DateTime::TimeZone or "1.26" in C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm would have shown up? 12:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans 12:58 wahanui rumour has it bug 5549 is libsysguy's white whale 12:58 jcamins bug 5549 12:57 mtompset DateUtils.t uses it as well. 12:57 mtj curious - when was the 1.26 requirement added? 12:57 mtompset C4::Context uses it. 12:57 wajasu I'll run my VM create script and create a fresh environment without it, and see what complains 12:56 jcamins But we may not be `use`ing it directly. 12:55 wajasu i'll make a patch today. i grepped, I don't see it in master find . -name "*.*" -exec grep -Hn "DateTime::Timezone" {} \; 12:55 jcamins Which is, unfortunately, much harder than it sounds. 12:55 jcamins mtompset: only if you can prove that it's definitely not required. 12:52 mtompset Then the problem doesn't exist. 12:52 mtompset Actually, if I don't find it in use at all in the code, it could be removed as a dependency. 12:51 wajasu yes. i 've been running like that since June 12:51 jcamins We know the change you made works, right? 12:51 jcamins File a bug and submit a patch. 12:51 wajasu i tried to suggest makeing this a bug and fixing it in git in a subsequent release. maybe they should in 3.10 12:50 wajasu someone here told me to reduce the version. some months back. its the best option. 12:49 mtompset And the datetime::timezone that doesn't have a candidate number in the repos has too many other dependencies to try to sort out. 12:49 jcamins The solution is to change the minimum version, not introduce subtle new bugs, I think. 12:48 mtompset So trying to do a git installation or a tarball install won't work. 12:48 mtompset I'll forgive you, wajasu. :) 12:47 mtompset It only has 1.20 12:47 wajasu i just woke up. 12:47 mtompset Debian doesn't have 1.26 by default. 12:47 jcamins Ah. 12:47 wajasu yes that the one 12:47 mtompset wajasu didn't type the full name. 12:47 mtompset No, DateTime::Timezone. 12:46 jcamins mtompset: DateTime is a very core requirement at this point. Removing it is not an option. 12:45 mtompset Perhaps there is a way to replace the dependency with something we already have, and thus simplify. 12:45 mtompset Though, I should grep the code to see what actually uses it. 12:44 mtompset So perhaps it is as eythian though, and the minimum should be reduced. 12:44 wajasu mtompset: i always edit koha_perl_deps to have DateTime as 1.20 and have been running like that since june. no 1.26 in squeeze. 12:39 magnuse koha gets a mention: http://szabgab.com/perl-based-open-source-products.html 12:32 magnuse kia ora oleonard 12:32 oleonard Hi #koha 12:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8689 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , disable login via Koha's $database account 12:28 magnuse Bug 8689 12:27 * magnuse wasn't expecting miracles ;-) 12:26 jcamins magnuse: someone was, but that hasn't happened yet. 12:26 magnuse is there a bug for it? i thought someone was talking about limiting the db user to creating libraries and users? 12:12 jcamins I don't see it. 12:12 jcamins You're right. 12:12 slef http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 12:12 jcamins slef: I thought we added it to the FAQ. 12:11 slef hi. Is the "don't use the system superlibrarian (kohaadmin as was)" tip on the websites somewhere? Not in the FAQ AFAICS 11:55 nengard hmmm 11:55 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 11:55 nengard morning! 11:54 mtompset Greetings, nengard. 11:53 mtompset [off] I just had to join in the off fun. ;) 11:49 kf hm #koha 11:49 kf bye äkoha 11:40 Waylon [off] must say though, he did not say 'so you can finish it in a month' he said 'full time, every day, as a full time job, for a month' 11:39 drojf [off] Waylon i think your boss might need a careful rebase to reality 11:37 drojf good morning jcamins 11:35 magnuse kia ora jcamins 11:29 kf good morning jcamins 11:29 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 11:26 jcamins_away [off] Definitely not, sorry. 11:24 Waylon [off] wow. Boss wants me to make my part-time job, fulltime, full steam for a month on upgrading our koha 3.0 mods to koha 3.10. given the task list, think one month isn't enough... fun. 11:02 vfernandes ok thanks jcamins :) 11:01 jcamins_away vfernandes: there is a syspref you can use to set it to search all subfields. 10:54 vfernandes ok eythian... thank you so much for the help 10:53 eythian keep in mind that this is still 3.6, so it may not work well with 3.8, but you can probably pull out the bits you want 10:52 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt;h=d1e82f032bcd02085417f0831ac35f8a000b345a;hb=refs/heads/mykoha-3.6.x <-- vfernandes 10:51 eythian We have a good design team who do our OPACs 10:51 eythian and yeah, it was just an example I grabbed without looking too closely. 10:50 eythian looking for the file, I'm not sure how it differs from the current one. 10:50 vfernandes PS: like the clean look of your OPAC :) 10:48 vfernandes can you send me the XSLT file? 10:48 vfernandes but the url seems to be well built :D 10:47 vfernandes that's exactly what I want, besides that being a "bad" example because the subject searches redirects to the same record and not gives the impression that being working fine 10:45 eythian which seems to work fine 10:45 eythian vfernandes: one of our clients has this: https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha//opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=43440 10:44 vfernandes maybe someone had already done this modification to the XSLT 10:44 eythian I see your issue 10:44 vfernandes yes.. my bad :) 10:43 eythian oh right, so no the search but the search string 10:43 vfernandes eythian... the problem is that the a href is built on the XSLT 10:43 eythian vfernandes: I don't think the XSLT and the search are related 10:42 vfernandes anyone has this modification on the XSLT? 10:41 vfernandes http://catalogo.ubi.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=84469 10:41 vfernandes hi guys... one request: anyone uses XSLT and MARC21? i'm having a problem with subject search because it only searches the subfield $a.... for example if the subject is Medicine -- Periodicals, I want to search all the subfields and not only "Medicine" 10:33 eythian ah right :) 10:33 kf funny email 10:33 eythian what'd I do? 10:33 kf eythian++ 10:17 drojf ah, ok. i would have found the electricity option more fascinating ;) 10:13 mtompset fallen... Whatever. 10:13 mtompset That explains why I found the dsl router falled and my cable disconnected yesterday. 10:12 mtompset My son kicked out the wired connection. 10:12 mtompset My netbook has wireless and wired. 10:12 mtompset No. Internet cable. 10:11 drojf mtompset: you just figuered out that you have been working without electricity all day? 10:00 mtompset Now I know what happened yesterday.. my son kicked out the cable! 09:49 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 09:48 eythian @later tell dpavlin http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687427 09:48 mtj yeah, either/or, i think it goes on the too-hard pile… 09:46 eythian mtj: this doesn't mean we couldn't have a debian-specific patch for it if was generally thought to be more agreeable. 09:45 mtj aaah, ok - its all news to me 09:45 eythian It was in my email, there was a discussion about it on debian-perl recently :) 09:43 mtj eythian, impressive quoting :p 09:43 eythian > "All packaged perl programs must start with `#!/usr/bin/perl' and may append such flags as are required." 09:43 eythian > Perl policy §5.1 states: 09:42 eythian mtj: it's in violation of debian policy 09:42 mtj #!/usr/bin/env perl ? 09:41 mtj hmm, this might be a good patch for koha -> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/finding-bash-perl-python-portably-using-env.html 09:41 eythian I suppose voorburg isn't so far from here 09:40 eythian seriously 09:40 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.5°C (11:35 AM CEST on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 09:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Teresina Aeroporto, Brazil is 24.0°C (6:00 AM BRT on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 09:40 kf @wunder Konstanz 09:40 eythian @wunder the hauge 09:40 eythian ... 09:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in VOORBURG, Netherlands is 18.2°C (11:37 AM CEST on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 09:40 eythian @wunder the hague 09:40 eythian ... 09:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Green Valley Ranch Golf Club, Denver, Colorado is 8.4°C (3:37 AM MDT on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 09:40 eythian @wunder den haag 09:39 mtompset ACTIVE bugs. 09:39 mtompset I went to CPAN... no bug reports for 1.20 ;) 09:38 eythian I've not noticed any issues with the packaged version, but I haven't looked either 09:37 mtompset I see what you mean, and it would make my life easier. :) 09:36 eythian hiya kf 09:36 kf hey eythian 09:35 eythian But if it would work fine, then the minimum should be reduced. 09:35 eythian If <1.26 wouldn't do the job, fair enough 09:35 eythian yes, but is it the real minimum, or is it just what was tested? 09:35 mtompset If I'm doing a git install, I still have to run that. 09:35 mtompset It's part of the koha_perl_deps.pl script. 09:35 eythian I could build higher versions, but it would be better that the versions were real minimums for everybody. 09:34 eythian mtompset: I wonder if the minimum of 1.26 was actually checked for 09:21 mtj if people do goofy things with it, thats not really Kyle's fault 09:20 mtj … so they can learn to configure there very own git koha 09:20 schnydszch thanks for the help guys.. it is now okay.. 09:19 mtj i think Kyle's git VM is to show people how a git koha works 09:05 * mtompset grumbles, "Debian. BAH! Just as bad as Ubuntu for installing non-packages." 09:04 * mtompset grumbles, "Good thing I put this section in here about checking the repos for unmarked versions." 09:02 * drojf goes out to get some sun while it's out there 08:54 mtompset And I decided to go look at debian repos for items without candidate numbers, and there is a 1.46, but it seems strange to have to go to the repos like this for DEBIAN. 08:53 mtompset Any ideas on how to get DateTime::Timezone 1.26 considering the default repos, including debian.koha-community.org only have 1.20? 08:52 mtompset Well, yes, that is true too, Rangi. 08:51 mtompset I don't know how they got 1.26 08:51 rangi not as easy as the packages, and you can mess up a git installation a lot easier and make it harder to recover than packages 08:50 mtompset datetime-timezone is only 1.20, but the minimum is 1.26 08:50 mtompset Actually, that bug above, reminds me of a bug I want to post. 08:48 mtompset And less bandwidth consuming than downloading a whole new image. 08:47 mtompset The advantage of a git system is updating it becomes very easy. 08:45 drojf mtompset: it appears to be a git installation. i'm not really sure as to why you would want to give that out ready-made, which to me kind of implies you can use it without knowledge of the system 08:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Missing dependencies for Debian package 08:45 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 7409 : Missing dependency on DBD::Mock 08:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #177: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/177/ 08:44 mtompset Oh well... I was probably on the right track. 08:43 mtompset Does that file I said exist, schnydszch? 08:42 mtompset drojf, I think this virtual machine is a DEV machine. 08:40 mtompset ~/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml? 08:39 drojf i don't think i like ready-built virtual machines much more than live-cds 08:39 mtompset WRONG config file. 08:39 mtompset Oh... 08:36 magnuse no idea ;-) 08:33 schnydszch i think it is the rebuild zebra is already running i'm just waiting for it to finish, how could that happen when /home/koha/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml was working? 08:30 magnuse /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml is the one to use, then 08:30 schnydszch in three directories 08:30 schnydszch ah okay there is.. /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml /home/koha/kohaclone/blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml /home/koha/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml 08:29 eythian 'locate koha-conf.xml'? 08:28 magnuse well, if there is no /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml it will not work 08:28 schnydszch but there is no koha-conf.xml there.. will try anyway 08:28 magnuse /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml 08:27 magnuse yup 08:27 schnydszch should i point it there? 08:27 schnydszch yes 08:26 magnuse is there a dir called /home/koha/koha-dev ? 08:26 schnydszch where should or could it be? 08:26 drojf from the error it seems like it is 08:26 magnuse no wait, KOHA_CONF might be wrong 08:26 schnydszch those were predefined I think but now I got the problem 08:25 schnydszch Environment variable PERL5LIB = /home/koha/kohaclone 08:25 magnuse hm, that should be ok i think 08:25 schnydszch Environment variable KOHA_CONF = /home/koha/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml 08:25 schnydszch in command line /home/koha/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra 08:24 schnydszch in webmin: $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null 08:24 magnuse which dir are you in when you run it? 08:24 magnuse how do you run rebuild_zebra? 08:22 schnydszch errors 08:22 schnydszch hours ago, my koha virtual machine hanged when i was editing biblio records, so i stopped the virtual machine, when I run rebuild_zebra -b -a -z I got the errots 08:20 schnydszch no /usr/share/koha directory 08:20 mtompset None of us do, and unfortunately khall is idle. 08:20 drojf oh it's a git installation? 08:20 schnydszch i've checked 08:20 drojf i'm sorry i don't know anything about that virtual machine 08:19 schnydszch i think it's in /home/koha/kohaclone something like that, i'm no linux expert yet.. 08:19 mtompset you checked? 08:19 schnydszch no, since kyle hall's different 08:19 mtompset is there a /usr/share/koha directory? 08:18 mtompset (prior to installation) 08:18 schnydszch the mysql server 08:18 mtompset those values scream of blib. 08:18 schnydszch at least in webmin 08:18 mtompset drojf: I think he is running the script from the wrong directory, or something. 08:18 schnydszch it's running 08:17 drojf schnydszch: have you checked that mysql-server is running? 08:17 schnydszch is there a new one? 08:17 wahanui drojf: I forgot previous one 08:17 drojf wahanui: forget the previous one 08:16 schnydszch that was working ok last week 08:16 wahanui the previous one is probably now closed as a duplicate - stick to 6481 08:16 schnydszch oh the previous one 08:16 mtompset I thought he had a newer one which is 3.8.4 08:15 schnydszch kyle hall's virtual machine 08:13 mtompset Where did you get the virtual machine? 08:10 schnydszch I didn't do anything with my database 08:09 schnydszch I tried running the rebuild zebra script in webmin and in command line but I get that error message, what could be the problem? 08:09 schnydszch it's a virtual machine actually, i've installed webmin 08:08 schnydszch koha 3.8.1 on debian 08:07 mtompset What are you using? 08:04 schnydszch how do i fix the problem? 08:04 schnydszch i'm having problem running a perl script specifically rebuild_zebra, i'm getting this error messsage: DBI connect('dbname=__DB_NAME__;host=__DB_HOST__;port=__DB_PORT__','__DB_USER__',...) failed: Unknown MySQL server host '__DB_HOST__' (1) at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/Context.pm line 758 Unknown MySQL server host '__DB_HOST__' (1) at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/C 07:57 kf hi mtompset 07:57 mtompset Greetings, kf. 07:56 kf good morning #koha 07:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #177 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 07:41 mtompset Hmmm? 07:30 mtompset This makes for more commands to do a simple git install (which is something people who wish to develop should be doing) 07:29 mtompset Turns out there are several dependencies missing in the debian.packages file under install_misc 07:29 mtompset Well, the interesting this is I get to use my check_deps.sh script (which I haven't in a while). 07:28 * mtompset grins. 07:19 drojf mtompset: "debian" sounded right, the rest not so much :P 07:09 * mtompset is following Ubuntu tarball instructions on Debian, "How much more wrong can I get?" 07:07 * mtompset cackles with gleeful madness. 07:07 mtompset Yes, there are files to update. :) 07:01 gaetan_B hello 06:47 wahanui hello, julian_m 06:47 julian_m hello 06:44 * mtompset notes that this will help with a git install too, so it isn't as evil as it sounds. 06:44 * mtompset proceeds into the madness of doing a tarball install on Debian. ;) 06:43 mtompset Greetings, all who came in and I didn't get around to acknowledging. :) 06:41 wahanui niihau, reiveune 06:41 reiveune hello 06:39 magnuse bonjour alex_a 06:37 drojf hi alex_a 06:35 wahanui bonjour, alex_a 06:35 alex_a bonjour 06:06 cait hmpf 06:06 magnuse nice pics though 06:00 cait wrong window 06:00 cait ups 06:00 magnuse hiya drojf and cait 05:59 cait hi magnuse 05:59 drojf hei magnuse 05:58 magnuse kia ora #koha! 05:58 cait :) 05:58 drojf heh 05:58 drojf wouldn't it be better by plane actually? 05:58 cait next time maybe take the plane... 05:58 cait :) 05:58 drojf so much for coming here more often 05:57 cait it was a long day 05:57 drojf :( 05:57 drojf omg 05:57 cait somewhere in the black forrest 05:56 cait suicide/accident 05:56 drojf uh 05:56 drojf did you have a good trip home? 05:56 cait make it 11 05:56 drojf spent even 05:55 drojf no, because i spend a lot of time relaxing yesterday while you had to ride the train for 10 hours 05:54 cait hm as tired as I am? 05:53 cait are you as tired as me today? 05:53 cait good morning drojf :) 05:53 drojf good morning cait :) 05:50 cait good morning #koha 05:25 * drojf is off to the shower 05:23 drojf to do stuff for all your 777-fields 05:23 drojf and then <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield[@tag=777]"> 05:23 drojf to see if you have that field 05:22 drojf like <xsl:if test="marc:datafield[@tag=777]"> 05:22 drojf you can check whether a field is available, check indicators, check subfields and then do stuff with that 05:20 Waylon ah? so koha does infact expose all fields to the XSLT system, and the file picks the ones it needs? 05:19 drojf what i would do is open the xslt file you would like to edit and have a look there how it is done for fields that are present 05:19 Waylon okay, how do i give fields to XSLT? 05:18 drojf not all fields are in xslt by default, you can add what you like 05:17 drojf but you can also specify visibility options for subfields in your MARC frameworks 05:17 Waylon ? 05:17 Waylon or does one have to actually declare what fields make it to XSLT 05:17 Waylon right, so all results get delivered, in full, to XSLT? 05:17 drojf Waylon: if you have xslt turned on (i think four sysprefs, results and detail for each staff client and opac) then yes 05:16 wahanui somebody said xslt was a maze of twisty turny passages, all alike. or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSLT and the pages at http://cs.au.dk/~amoeller/XML/transformation/ may be useful for learning the basics. 05:16 Waylon xslt? 05:14 Waylon to alter what information gets displayed in search results, and where/how it looks, i edit xslt? 05:05 mtompset Okay... fresh debian install... let's see what happens. 05:03 mtompset Woo hoo! Kudos go out to my friends in the Computer Science Club at the University of Waterloo in Canada. I can sudo apt-get update! 05:03 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 14.0°C (6:42 AM CEST on September 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 05:03 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 05:03 Waylon anyone know why the subject list in Normal view, becomes one long link? 04:58 drojf hi mtompset 04:58 mtompset Greetings, drojf and sorry for the massive delay in acknowledgement: Waylon. :) 04:55 drojf hi Waylon 04:55 Waylon good morning drojf 04:55 drojf good morning #koha 04:40 Waylon hmm.. odd.. subject(s) line, the subjects arn't split into a list, but instead, is one link, with lotsa and queries. 04:38 Waylon had to diff it to find it.] 04:38 Waylon yes. 04:38 rangi 14:00 < mtj> bad user/password caused by a bad file path? pointing to a bad zebra db?, etc... 04:36 Waylon thankyou diff -r. 04:36 Waylon .......... -facepalms- bad password due to bad path. 04:31 Waylon does the more attributes in bib1.att, equal more time to index the db? 04:29 Waylon hmmmmmmm... old zebra setup has alot of missing attributes from bib1.att.... curious. yet in koha 3.0 it worked fine.. 04:22 Waylon hmm... comp crashed. 04:00 wajasu yes. 03:59 mtompset KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB environment variables depend on your build. 03:55 Waylon right. 03:54 rangi s/not/know/ 03:54 rangi but you should not what you are doing 03:54 rangi nginx is fine 03:54 Waylon same answer for nginx? 03:54 rangi thats why its scripts for developers 03:54 rangi not even close 03:53 Waylon plack not ready for production? 03:53 wajasu ok followup. suggestion patch. 03:52 wajasu i can install via cpanm, but does won't need to get plack and other modules as "optional" dependencies? 03:51 mtj send a follow-up patch? 03:50 wajasu i looked at it. i wish it would use whatever my KOHA_CONF environment is out of the box/git. 03:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , plack scripts for developers 03:49 wajasu whats the deal with bug 7844 03:47 wajasu gotcha 03:47 rangi git send-email does it for you 03:47 wajasu you mean i can push? 03:46 rangi you dont even need to do a format-patch 03:46 rangi in newer git 03:46 rangi you'd be glad they were in the mailing list archives 03:46 rangi also, if i go mad one day and rm -rf the server that runs bugzilla 03:46 wajasu now i can spend more time on test plan and writing tests. 03:46 rangi no need, its still nice practice for new ones, don't bother sending signed off ones 03:45 * wajasu reading koha-devel. no need to send patches to koha-patches list? 03:34 wajasu its just because the accessid was in the preferences, and it cause us to go get one. we didn't need it. 03:33 wajasu i don't mind. 03:33 rangi never made it because they kept changing their API, and more importantly their T&C 03:33 wajasu not that a labrary would want revenue. if its available. 03:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove usage of Amazon API 03:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4460 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Amazon's AssociateID tag not used in links so referred revenue lost 03:32 wajasu i noticed bug 4460 never made it (i posted that in 2010). and now bug 8679 is in there. 03:30 mtj … and the words 'hidden' throughtout it 03:30 rangi there quick answer 03:27 mtompset Though I think the "great wall of install" may have discouraged you from reading it. ;) 03:27 mtompset It's one screen on my computer (19" monitor) 03:27 rangi too long; didnt read 03:27 mtompset tl;dr? 03:26 * rangi has limited hours before a big conference nexxt week 03:26 rangi its not a tl;dr mail is it? 03:26 rangi maybe 03:25 mtompset rangi: Do you know the answers to my 5 questions on koha-devel? 03:25 wajasu plus i never could bring myself to run make upgrade. 03:24 wajasu the wiki is golden now 03:24 wajasu without the IRC, all one had was INSTALL. 03:23 wajasu there aren't too many out there these days. 03:22 mtj so in every situation… first ask the advice of people wiser than you 03:22 wajasu i found the debian packages by accident. i likes the debian packages as well. my dev VM uses them. gathering the cpan modules is the beast. 03:21 mtj … and now i run from the deb packages… my experience has been smooth and painless 03:20 * mtompset nods. 03:20 Waylon instead of trying to use this old config. 03:20 Waylon im thinking, might be best to examine all the zebra marc setup of old zebra, and make sure the setup is the same in the new zebra config. 03:20 mtj me... i just stuck with what the developers recommended, debian 03:20 mtompset I can see an INSTALL.archlinux "Why are you even thinking of this?! Are you crazy?" 03:19 mtj ….from git, too 03:19 wajasu for 3 years. 03:18 mtj wajasu, well, congrats on being the 1st person to ever run a production Koha on archlinux 03:17 wajasu which i will after 3.10, i hope. 03:17 wajasu i hoped to get them moved to a vendor. 03:17 wajasu i had to figure out how to create marc records, write a dump from legacy, import staged, etc. that took all my time. i let the user play with the product and never investigated it until it was in production. 03:15 wajasu the other thing i did after std install was the make test. i never really got throught them at that point. 03:14 wajasu i just wanted the source to prove the code worked. 03:14 wajasu i would go with either. 03:14 wajasu never spoke with them, but the net had links everywhere then, and I didn't know for sure which was koha. 03:14 mtompset LL... Okay, clued in. 03:13 rangi they might have told him to, sounds like something they would say 03:13 mtj wajasu, what does LL have to do with running a prod koha from git, on archlinux ? 03:13 wajasu lime. 03:12 wajasu who, what is koha 03:12 wajasu rangi knows. 03:11 mtompset LL? 03:11 wajasu oh. you have to remember, that LL stuff was going on, and it confused everything. 03:10 mtompset (preventitive of tarball installs) 03:10 mtompset If a "Requirements" link to http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ was added to the http://download.koha-community.org/ page this would provide a preventive step under debian-based OSes. :) 03:10 mtj wajasu, if you asked/followed peoples advice , you would have had a painless install expereince too 03:10 wajasu anyway. arch changes too often to be a server. it better for desktop devel. 03:09 wajasu that was the problem. arch only had like 3 of the deps. i used a script for the other 50-80+. later when the dist added packages, they collided. 03:09 rangi there are people running various ranges, even BSD 03:09 mtj wajasu, i asked people what distro i should use, people recommended debian - ive had a painless install experience ever since... 03:09 rangi same as if you had installed them from their tarballs, or because they are opensource, cloned each one and installed from there 03:08 rangi if you have used cpan, you need to upgrade them yourself 03:08 rangi upgrading perl, would upgrade those modules too 03:08 rangi thats why using cpan, if you can use packaged versions of modules, is discouraged .. so on .deb based or even rpm based ones (later centos anyway) 03:08 wajasu i did. 03:07 mtj wajasu, if you choose an advanced/expert install on uncommon distros, expect unique problems 03:07 wajasu the real problem i found with running perl, groovy, or scripting stuff, is if the OS breaks the perl libs (archlinux was new with perl) and hardly had perl stuff. 03:07 rangi koha itself wont have broken just modules it depends on will no longer by compiled for the right version of perl, and/or installed in a findable path 03:07 mtompset Actually, I was wondering if a "Requirements" link to http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ could be added to the http://download.koha-community.org/ page. 03:06 rangi i have an old 2.2.9 running under perl 5.16 03:06 wajasu each year, waiting for a version working as well as 3.0.145 to migrate to. 03:05 rangi or you could have just cpanned the modules into 14 03:05 wajasu had to rollback crippled. at 3.0.145 03:05 wajasu bam. koha broke. 03:05 wajasu archlinux update (pacman (rpm/apt-get)) installed perl 14, now its per 5.16.1 03:04 wajasu but then i got burned after it ran for a year. 03:04 wajasu because the install did not say "debian" is ..., i assume any linux/unix would suffice, becuase its perl., so archlinux. 03:03 mtompset Okay, good the koha-community.org pages link to the old packages install info under Lucid. 03:03 schnydszch if i delete the data in import_records and import_items table, could there be a problem? like it would delete bibliographic records and item records? or any other problems? 03:03 wajasu plus using VMs was newer then. 03:02 wajasu then folks said, its a go. and there was know time to install over and over with all those cpan deps. 03:02 wajasu pull source. see install. spend weeks pulling deps. almost bailm and say, this is junk. but persisted. ran zebrasrv under root, though i wanted to run it as koha user. started migrating old lib db to koha "test environment" 03:00 wajasu lets write what you said in the install "It is suggested to..." because what i did 3 years ago was: 02:59 rangi the and VM should run from packages 02:59 rangi yes that's why its a bad idea 02:59 rangi doesnt mean we should encourage that 02:59 mtompset That percentage will increase as khall's VM images become more popular. :) 02:59 rangi i know they do 02:59 wajasu i know folks do that. 02:59 rangi i mean running a non released version in production ... 02:59 wajasu its the root of everything. (though not its distributed :) 02:58 rangi ppl who are running from git are the .00001% anyway 02:58 wajasu well then we are cool then :) 02:58 rangi yes 02:58 wajasu are the release notes in the git kohaclone directory? 02:57 rangi yep, which is why the release notes tell people to use the packages, and when they are in debian proper, ppl will install from there rather than going to either 02:56 mtompset For a debian-based OS, that's an initial mis-step. 02:56 rangi yeah you dont have many years on me :) so you cant pull the old gen card on me 02:56 mtompset Okay... but if they go to download.koha-community.org they are going to get a tarball. 02:56 wajasu 45 02:56 rangi thats ridiculous 02:56 wajasu because its opensource :) 02:56 rangi how old are you wajasu? 02:55 rangi and why you would install from git not a released version .... 02:55 wajasu git, sv, cvs, zmodem, bbs, whatever 02:55 rangi git hasnt existed 02:55 rangi heh 02:55 wajasu maybe for new gen. for old gen guys like me, its been what i wrote since the 1980s. 02:54 rangi they go to download.koha-community.org or koha-community.org 02:54 rangi no one does either of those 02:54 mtompset Look for Install 02:54 mtompset Look for OS 02:54 mtompset Go to wiki 02:54 mtompset Actually, I would assume: 02:53 wajasu just as a techie, with open source, etc I would assume a tech, 1) grabs code from git. 2) reads README, and INSTALL, and INSTALL wiith distribution suffix. If nothing mentions packages, he won't go there, and it might take months to discover their existence. 02:53 mtompset Well, archlinux is not a debian-based OS, so you can probably continue to get away with tarball installs. 02:52 mtompset You'll notice that my very first question was about the recommended upgrade path from pre-3.4 to current. 02:51 mtompset Sadly, no one has replied with answers yet. 02:50 mtompset wajasu: That's why I was asking my questions on the koha-devel list. 02:50 wajasu so i go to git. pull code. read INSTALL. and have no clue about wiki or koha-common. i just think that is there is a new way, ie packages, we need to mention it in the INSTALL. 02:49 wajasu there is no wiki in my setup world. why? we don't refer to it in the gt INSTALLS. if something changed in 3.4 i wouldn't know. i'm someone updateing from 3.0 -> 3.10 (i hope). 02:48 mtompset I think a standard install from git is possible, but it seems bizarre to mix development with what would normally be in production. 02:47 mtompset Because that is what everything runs as after the installation and everything is set up. 02:47 wajasu the standard install is what i use. thats all i would know about from the git. 02:47 mtompset You need the koha account. 02:47 mtompset you answer standard. 02:47 mtompset When building tarball (the old way of doing install prior to Koha 3.4)... 02:47 wajasu right. 02:46 wajasu packages is new to me. this third way needs to be mentioned in INSTALL as an option. If its production ready. 02:46 mtompset It's a development system. 02:46 mtompset It all runs as you. 02:46 mtompset There's no need for a koha user. 02:46 mtompset This means it goes into your home directory. 02:46 mtompset When building git, you normally answer dev. 02:45 mtompset Both git and tarball need to be built. 02:45 mtompset and tarball (standard) 02:45 mtompset git (dev) 02:45 mtompset packages (koha-common) 02:45 mtompset No, because there are three kinds of installs: 02:44 wajasu koha-common isn't even something that I consider in production yet. its not mentioned in the git INSTALLs. 02:44 mtompset but that is tarball install focused. 02:44 mtompset I have put out INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04 02:43 mtompset I am currently editing http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 02:42 wajasu oh 02:42 mtompset That's not the file I am editing. 02:42 wajasu kohaclone/INSTALL 02:42 mtompset Link or filename, please. 02:41 wajasu the ones you are editing/writing. I am only looking at INSTALL right now. 02:41 mtompset Because perhaps that's a point I need to clarify. 02:41 mtompset Which instructions? 02:41 wajasu 3 years ago i used git. pulled things as koha. 02:41 wajasu are these instructions for koha-common at all. If so, I think koha-common creates the koha account in a pre/post install script. 02:41 mtompset And, from what I can tell, it is only necessary for a "standard" install, which is typically a tarball install. 02:40 mtompset The koha account creation is AFTER. 02:39 mtompset When a person makes a system, they don't usually create the koha account first. They create their own first. 02:39 wajasu so the the commands in INSTALL that have sudo before them infer what? koha has sudo abilites for those commands, OR one should be root . Maybe we should say "As root:" 02:38 rangi anyway, i have work to do, ill leave you to your madness 02:38 mtompset The point is to limit access for the koha account, not create another hackable point. 02:37 mtompset I have to agree that koha ALL=(ALL) ALL is bad. 02:37 rangi thats immaterial 02:37 wahanui hmmm... and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ? 02:37 rangi and? 02:37 wajasu i usually do make install as root. 02:36 rangi thats the entire point 02:36 rangi the koha user is who should own the files after install (or some user that does most definitely not have root privileges) 02:35 rangi you dont install with the koha user 02:35 wajasu why do we have sudo in INSTALL? 02:35 rangi why would the koha user need to run anything as root? 02:34 wajasu but maybe you can specificy what koha may run as root. 02:33 wajasu its a dev VM. 02:33 wajasu i know. 02:33 wajasu i put that in my preseed.cfg because i had issues as well i guess. I had top chmod +rw the file, edit it, and chmod 0440 afterward. i believe the file must be secured with the correct permissions before sudoers will work. 02:32 mtj wajasu, thats a bad bad thing…. 02:29 wajasu i have: koha ALL=(ALL) ALL in my /etc/sudoers 02:27 wajasu # use sudo)." though i do set the root password to koha. 02:27 wajasu in my preseed.cfg there is a place for account setup that mentions: "Skip creation of a root account (normal user account will be able to 02:22 wajasu let me look at my VM script. 02:22 mtompset But that was a post-install problem, not an install problem. :) 02:22 mtompset Though, I do recall having to grant cron or at access. Can't recall which. 02:21 mtompset not that I know of. 02:21 mtompset No. 02:20 wajasu do you have to grant sudo to koha? 02:20 mtompset And as I have no idea what to fix, I'm just doing a fresh install today in hopes that it works now. 02:20 wajasu if you refer to my script, which, you can see which apt-get and repos I set. i don't know if the preferred whay to install is to use koha-common now. 02:19 mtompset Yes, the day after I set up my debian... the sudo apt-get update broke, because something decided to not exist. 02:16 wajasu nevermind. 02:15 mtompset Yes, I know. A ridiculed platform. 02:15 mtompset I'm running Windows 7 and virtualbox. 02:15 wajasu if you have libvirt running under debian, you could probably run my script and watch it all go by. 02:14 mtompset Right. Okay... not disabled it is. Let's try that way. 02:14 wajasu the one i pasted the other day. 02:13 wajasu in that auto install script, i set a root user/password (koha/koha) 02:13 mtompset Should I just cave and set a root password? 02:12 mtompset Because last install, I had to go through a hassle to get sudo to work, because I didn't set a root password, so the root account is disabled by default. 02:12 wajasu I run archlinux. i run debian in a VM to develop. 02:11 mtompset Okay, wajasu... Do you use Debian? 02:10 wajasu jcamins told me i should instal/runl zebrasrv as root. but i told him the INSTALL infers root. sudo used before the commands. but i think if we can run it as koha, we should document it. 02:09 mtompset Yes, yes I am. These instructions are going to be da bomb. 02:08 wajasu docmaster testing his instructions? 02:08 mtompset I couldn't get my last one to do something as simple as "sudo apt-get update" without an error. 02:08 wajasu hi 02:08 mtompset Attempting a fresh netinstall of Debian. 02:07 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:02 mtj bad user/password caused by a bad file path? pointing to a bad zebra db?, etc... 02:01 mtj … saves my stupid ass every day :p 02:00 mtj aaah, the many real-world uses of git... 02:00 wajasu error 1011 bad username/password 01:59 mtj thats a pretty useful bit of info, there... 01:58 mtj … you also see to see the diff of whats changed between them 01:58 mtj and if you 'switch' your configs using git, rather than using cp... 01:54 mtj and you cant intergrate your changes…. if you dont know what they are in the 1st place 01:52 mtj ie: you currently have no idea what zebra changes you've made ( i assume) 01:52 mtj (something you dont have currently) 01:51 mtj that way, you now have a commit that contains your mod, at least.... 01:51 mtj switch to your master branch, attempt to cherry-pick your modded commit 01:50 mtj copy your zebra mods to it, then save the commit 01:50 mtj reset your branch to relevant v3.0.x tag 01:49 mtj make a git branch 01:49 mtj heres what i would do then.... 01:48 Waylon switched back to old zebra config files.. reindexed... error 1011 01:47 Waylon had the master zebra config files working 01:47 Waylon nope 01:47 mtj last nite you had your old zebra configs working, just fine? 01:46 mtj in your confg files 01:45 mtj Waylon, most likely a typo 01:06 Waylon anyone have any idea whats going on? 01:03 Waylon okay, using the old zebra config of mandumah gives 1011 error, bad user or password. the master zebra config works fine. ive checked the passwd file for both, and they are exactly the same. 01:02 Waylon hiya all