Time Nick Message 23:53 idreambooks i am somewhat technical (i can code but not a pro). another member of our team is super technical and im trying to get him to show koha some love 23:48 jcamins That's all sorts of libraries, of course. Not just public libraries. 23:47 idreambooks wow...that's a lot of libraries. they all probably have electronic records too 23:45 jcamins Incidentally, libwebcats (http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/index.pl) says there are more than 24k libraries in the US, and it is by no means comprehensive. 23:45 idreambooks that's awesome! 23:45 idreambooks ah ic...yeah i am just curious how it all works :) 23:45 jcamins (so once your patch adding support for the idreambooks.com API to Koha, you'll be a Koha developer too:) 23:43 jcamins There is an elected release team, but other than that developers come and go as they find the need to fix bugs/add features/kill time/whatever. 23:43 melia their generous hearts. 23:43 melia sorry, I'm only half listening. there are several hundred libraries in the US using Koha, some of which are supported by ByWater (a support company). there are many other libraries throughout the world using Koha, some of which use different support companies. the Koha community is made up of a bunch of developers who might work for one of the many different support companies, or might just volunteer to work on Koha out of the goodness 23:42 jcamins idreambooks: we don't really have a "core contributor" concept quite the same as, say, the Linux kernel does. 23:40 idreambooks yup...koha is open source maintained by core contributors like yourselves. i figured you guys were all volunteers (that like to contribute) or work for a library system... 23:40 ibeardslee it is the most awesome though 23:39 rangi but its growing all the time 23:38 rangi far from it 23:38 rangi no 23:38 idreambooks oh i meant koha being the larget ILS 23:38 rangi hmm you do understand Koha is an open source project eh? So a big community of developers and libraries and companies 23:38 jcamins Only one of the collecions I work with has a public catalog. 23:37 jcamins melia does. 23:37 jcamins I don't work for ByWater. 23:37 jcamins Not me. 23:37 idreambooks jcamins: cool. you guys are massive. are you the largest in the world or something? 23:36 jcamins idreambooks: I just counted the number of libraries in one consortium that I happen to know is using Koha. They have 78. 23:36 jcamins idreambooks: Amazon provides reviews for a very small percentage of books. 23:35 idreambooks the "Amazon Reviews" section seem to be blank in most public facing libraries. not sure if it is because amazon is not sending reviews back or a bug 23:34 jcamins idreambooks: right. 23:34 idreambooks jcamins: ic...over a 100 libraries are public facing....probably more than 200 23:33 melia hhhmm. I'd say about 125 different libraries, but some of those are consortiums that have 40+ libraries each... 23:33 jcamins idreambooks: suffice it to say, it's a large number. Well upward of 100 libraries in the US. Probably in excess of 200. I don't know if it's closer to 200, 300, or 400 though. 23:31 jcamins melia: do you know off the top of your head how many hundred libraries ByWater supports in the US? 23:31 jcamins Hundreds in the US, certainly. 23:28 jcamins And there's no way of knowing how many libraries make their Koha OPAC public. 23:28 jcamins idreambooks: yes, libraries can update as frequently or infrequently as they want. 23:27 idreambooks also some library catalogues are not up to date :| 23:27 idreambooks 'cos some of the ones listed dont have websites i can see 23:27 idreambooks yeah...thats what i meant 23:26 rangi do you mean that have public facing sites? 23:26 rangi you cant really run it any other way 23:26 rangi koha is web based 23:25 idreambooks oh really...i went off the number in wikipedia that had web based systems. do all these 600 have web based systems? 23:23 rangi nope no idea at all (40 odd is way less than actuality, there are at least 600 in the US alone) 23:22 idreambooks oh i c....any idea how often they upgdare typically? 23:21 rangi when they decide to upgrade yes 23:18 idreambooks once the patch is pushed to master, do these library systems get updated too? 23:17 idreambooks according to that there are 40 odd libararies that have websites that use koha 23:17 idreambooks one thing i wanted to ask you guys....http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/NorthAmerica 23:17 idreambooks jcamins: graeat! good to hear 23:17 rangi naw, we can convert them 23:17 bag alright all - catch you later tonight - dinner date is calling 23:16 idreambooks u need 10 ones too? 23:16 rangi cool 23:16 idreambooks it is 13 ones i think... 23:13 jcamins 2) many of the people who do testing will test patches by new developers before testing other patches 23:13 jcamins 1) idreambooks.com is very shiny, and shiny things are always a favorite for testing 23:12 jcamins And you have two factors in your favor: 23:12 jcamins Also, something to keep in mind: that includes bugs and enhancements that may be used by only one library in the world, and therefore very hard to check. 23:12 rangi does it work with 10 digit isbn, or just 13 ones? 23:12 idreambooks ah 23:12 rangi median is the important number 23:11 rangi but averages are misleading 23:11 rangi yep 23:11 idreambooks "The average is 32.6686." is this days...33 days 23:11 rangi 2 secs 23:11 rangi hmm i bet i can do something with that api right now 23:10 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/08/14/how-does-a-patch-marked-enhancement-take-to-get-into-master/ 23:09 rangi there is no set time 23:08 idreambooks how long would it take for the changes to get approved after the patch has been sent? 23:07 idreambooks i was thinking we could dedicate resources for this implementation but would need help from you guys 23:07 rangi excellent 23:06 idreambooks we have a way to retrieve the readometer based on ISBN numbers now! 23:06 rangi yep saw that thanks 23:06 huginn 04Bug 8733: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Adding critic reviews to book pages 23:06 idreambooks hi guys...idreambooks guy here. i submitted a bug report as you guys suggested: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8733 23:06 rangi hehe 23:04 jcamins You should. :) 23:04 jcamins Oh well. 23:04 rangi at least i don't recall 23:03 rangi i dont think so 23:03 jcamins Do I remember *correctly* that Catalyst is going to be doing some work on call slips? 23:03 jcamins Let me rephrase that. 23:02 jcamins rangi: do I recall that Catalyst was going to be doing some work on call slip functionality? 23:00 bag ;) 23:00 melia aaww thanks :) bag helped me 23:00 rangi melia++ #sign offs 22:45 jcamins It's for a New Zealand-themed smoothie company. :) 22:45 rangi heh 22:45 jcamins strawberry.banana.kiwi.nz. 22:45 ibeardslee chocolate.kiwi.nz 22:45 jcamins Then you can name your servers after fruits. 22:45 * jcamins suggests banana.kiwi.nz as a good domain name. 22:44 rangi why do businesses do anything :) 22:44 rangi its money 22:44 rangi yep 22:44 ibeardslee it's pretty much going .nz.nz 22:44 ibeardslee yeah .. the cynic in me agrees with that 22:44 jcamins Doesn't .nz pretty much communicate "kiwi"? :P 22:44 jcamins Just... why? 22:43 jcamins I don't expect you to know the answer, of course. 22:43 jcamins Why? 22:43 * jcamins scratches his head. 22:43 rangi check the drop down, those are the domains you can get in .nz 22:43 rangi http://dnc.org.nz/ 22:42 rangi just came into being 22:42 rangi no thats a 2ld 22:42 jcamins Someone's selling subdomains and making money? 22:42 jcamins .kiwi.nz? 22:41 rangi now you can waste some money on a .kiwi.nz domain 22:39 jcamins lol 22:39 wajasu wow! that was quick. got mine already. 22:38 rangi heh 22:37 jcamins [off] The newest service to hit the big apple: http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-zipcarp-service-offers-shortterm-carp-rentals,29494/ 22:28 rangi right 22:26 jcamins Matching on OCLC numbers will break again. 22:25 * jcamins is now entirely vindicated in his argument that GRS-1 needs to be gone in a year. 22:24 rangi heh 22:23 jcamins Now they finally realized that they can't keep on zero-padding their numbers. 22:23 wajasu we should use ipv6 addresses 22:23 jcamins_away 9 wasn't enough. 22:23 jcamins_away wajasu: 9. 22:22 wajasu 13 not enough 22:22 jcamins_away After, what, two years? 22:22 rangi eggs 22:22 jcamins_away Again. 22:22 jcamins_away Yup. 22:22 rangi run out of digits? 22:21 jcamins_away OCLC's numbering scheme has once again proven to be too short-sighted. 22:11 * wajasu on break 22:10 wajasu ok. 22:10 bag so nothing at the moment :) 22:10 bag ah I'm currently helping melia try and test some bugs from the needs_signoff 22:09 wajasu bag: let me know if you have any specific bugs you really need tested and i'll try to work it. 22:07 huginn wajasu: The operation succeeded. 22:07 wajasu @later tell khall Congrats!!! on 8215 22:07 wajasu khall: congrats!!! 22:07 bag nice wajasu 22:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add Course Reserves 22:07 wajasu i can't believe i finally got bug 8215 tested 21:16 bag oh nice bug squashing day coming :) 20:54 rambutan cait: are you going to the QGIS conference in Kassel? http://qgis.org/en/user-meetings/kassel-092012.html 20:49 rangi excellent 20:48 cait and I have a long train ride on friday in a nice train with power supply 20:48 cait yep 20:44 rangi oh bug squash day on friday 20:23 rangi back 20:17 cait :) 20:14 kathryn hiya cait! 20:14 cait morning kathryn 20:13 kathryn morning all :) 20:04 rangi Bbiab 19:59 cait you have to work on your serious face 19:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC 19:58 jcamins You're close to done on bug 8523. 19:58 jcamins cait: continue testing. 19:58 cait jcamins: tell me to continue testing :) 19:55 rambutan ah. ic. yea, that's a problem. 19:55 jcamins :) 19:55 jcamins It goes urrrrrrrrkkkkkkk and the cursor starts jumping. 19:54 rangi Semi vacation 19:54 jcamins rambutan: I think something to do with the amount of data contained in a map of Saint Petersburg. 19:53 rambutan So jcamins, why does your computer not like QGIS? 19:53 cait so on vacation now? 19:53 jcamins My computer does not. 19:53 jcamins rambutan: I like QGIS. 19:53 cait I was wondering 19:53 cait ah 19:52 rangi He's in den haag now 19:52 rambutan It's interesting to watch the QGIS people going through the same process, setting up tests, that Koha is at the same time. Strange correspondence 19:52 rangi Hehe 19:52 cait seems the weather here has finally forgiven robin for leaving 19:52 cait today was nice - sunny and warm 19:51 rangi I see no clouds but it is crisp 19:51 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:45 PM CEST on September 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 19:51 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:51 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 19:51 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:49 wizzyrea hah 19:46 rangi I'd reverse the permissions :-) 19:46 rangi Personally in my experience I trust IT ppl less than librarians 19:45 rangi Yep 19:45 rangi And say this is going to try to return millions of rows 19:45 gmcharlt rangi: that would be better than nothing, though couldn't be definitive 19:45 libsysguy I read an interesting article yesterday http://kev.inburke.com/kevin/reddits-database-has-two-tables/ 19:44 rangi I bet we could run explain first 19:44 gmcharlt heh 19:43 libsysguy *disclaimer* best =~ best way to halt your database 19:43 libsysguy mmm cross products are the best gmcharlt 19:42 rangi They'll only do that once 19:42 jcamins lol 19:42 gmcharlt or a legitimate fear of 5-way Cartesian joins? 19:41 rangi Politics .... Is there anything they can't ruin? 19:36 cait good morning rangi ) 19:35 YoungPublicLibrarian ok...I'm gone. Back soon! Thanks everyone! 19:35 mbalmer haha 19:35 YoungPublicLibrarian Consortium politics...only the "real" IT personnel get permissions to write reports...which is a pain! 19:34 rangi And why not let them write reports? 19:34 rangi Morning 19:33 cait enjoy your lunch 19:31 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, well I'm heading to lunch now. But I will be back later today to ask some more specific questions about the report and what each part of it mean 19:27 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah, I see. I can understand that. And its hard for me to test because the libraries in our consortium don't have the permissions to write, edit, and test reports... 19:26 cait so can't test 19:26 cait I said that it's hard for me to help because I have no access to proper test data from home 19:26 cait oh 19:24 YoungPublicLibrarian Sorry guys...I stepped away from the computer and someone closed my screen... 19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5705 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, search 4XX fields in authorities and link to 1XX 19:22 tcohen i've just marked bug 5705 as duplicate of 8209 19:20 jcamins Both have passed QA. 19:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches 19:20 jcamins So does bug 7417. 19:20 jcamins tcohen: yes. 19:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities 19:20 tcohen jcamins: bug 8209, searches in 4xx fields? 19:17 cait and without checking what I do it's quite hard 19:17 cait the problem with helping you is that I don#t have a test base with good data I can access from here 19:16 cait well.. I like stuff like that, might not be the same for everyone 19:13 cait :) 19:13 cait when you have use for the knowledge, that happens 19:13 cait :) 19:13 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, yeah I've learned more about SQL and programing since we adopted Koha than I ever did in my college course I took on the subject! 19:12 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: you'll be an expert before long. :) 19:11 YoungPublicLibrarian Hm...I'm not actually sure what you mean. Like I said my knowledge of SQL, and programming in general, is pretty limited...If it wasn't for the reports library I wouldn't even have gotten this far... 19:08 cait form there 19:08 cait and then go step by step 19:08 cait like try to get the acounts bit right with the borrowernumber and other information 19:08 cait i would go back and simplyfy it 19:08 cait I think to try and get to the error 19:08 YoungPublicLibrarian Yeah, which is probably why its giving me problems... 19:07 * mtompset waves, "Okay, bye, #koha." 19:06 cait you are pulling a lot of information together in that report 19:06 cait or something else... right now I am not sue 19:06 cait deleted item 19:06 YoungPublicLibrarian In the report however, I would like to be able to limit the results to only patrons who have a total of fines over a certain amount. If possible... 19:06 cait deleted record 19:06 cait I think there could be several reasons 19:06 cait hm 19:05 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm putting the results into an Access database to format into a letter I can send to the patron about their fines. So I want each fine they have to print out on a seperate line. 19:04 cait do you want to have a sum, or repeated lines for each fine? 19:04 cait I see that I worked with subqueries in sums in my report, but I am not sure why right now :) 19:04 mbalmer moeglich. das will ich dann mal sehen... 19:03 cait YoungPublicLibrarian: hm. 19:03 wahanui haha is there already a branch for 3.6? 19:03 mbalmer haha.... 19:03 cait möglich 19:03 mbalmer cait, leckerli essen.. ? ;) 19:02 YoungPublicLibrarian That's the report I'm using now. But like I said, it only shows maybe 3 out of 5 individual fines for a patron, instead of all 5 fines and I can't figure out why... 19:02 cait mbalmer: am Donnerstag 19:02 wajasu ok. i'll drop that one. 19:01 jcamins :/ 19:01 jcamins No, it's a much more dramatic error. 19:01 pastebot "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Fines and Fees by Branchcode" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/167 19:01 wajasu my biblio data wasn't updated. i guess thats not enough. 19:01 jcamins It happens 100% of the time or 0% of the time on any given installation, and I can't see any commonalities. 19:00 jcamins wajasu: you get a 500, an error in the log, and in certain circumstances your authority data is screwed up. 18:59 wajasu it a UI error? 18:59 jcamins wajasu: and it's pretty spectacular when it shows up. 18:59 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay. I can understand that. Then what I would like is a report that shows each patron's fines when the patron is from a particular library. Let me post the report I'm using 18:59 jcamins wajasu: in that case you can't test the patch. It appears only for a very limited number of people. 18:59 wizzyrea you can do both of those things, but not in the same report (at least not as I'm currently conceiving of it) 18:58 wajasu i looked for the error you mentioned. nothing in UI. i saw "[warn] Missing attribute 'type' in attribute info" on stdout when i ran rebuild-zebra though. i also checked my biblio and the linked authority field had not changed. 18:58 jcamins You might be able to do a subquery, but it wouldn't be nice. 18:58 wizzyrea you want to show each patron's outstanding fines, and the total fine for each patron 18:58 cait if I understand it correctly :) 18:58 jcamins That's how I did a similar thing. 18:58 cait I think 18:58 cait I agree with wizzyrea 18:58 wizzyrea YoungPublicLibrarian: that sounds like two different reports 18:58 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: I'm not sure it's possible to do what you want, unfortunately. 18:57 cait hm not sure I get what you want to do 18:57 YoungPublicLibrarian cait: the problem with that report is that it gives each accounts total instead of the total and each fine for the accounts. I'm working on modifying the report to fit my needs, unfortunately my knowledge of SQL is pretty basic... 18:57 jcamins Rebased. 18:56 jcamins wajasu: but wait, were you able to reproduce the bug? 18:56 jcamins wtf did I do to my repo, though? 18:56 wajasu ok 18:56 jcamins Lemme rebase. 18:56 jcamins Oy. 18:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8743 critical, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , ZOOM error when merging authority change to biblios 18:56 jcamins bug 8743 18:55 wajasu jcamins: 8743 sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm) 18:55 cait you could change the amount for example 18:55 cait that#s my report - maybe you can modify it 18:55 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/166 18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian I have a report already created, but for some reason it only shows some of each patron's fines, instead of all of the fines. I've been tryign to figure out why this would be, but have come to no conclusions yet... 18:53 jcamins Yay! 18:52 tcohen (happy librarians @ UNC) 18:52 mtompset Bye, tcohen 18:52 cait give me a second to see if I can access the report 18:52 cait I have done something similar for one of our libraries 18:52 tcohen jcamins, leaving now, thanks for your advise 18:52 cait hmm 18:52 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: I have good news and bad news. The good news: you have a very good question. The bad news: I don't have an easy answer. 18:52 YoungPublicLibrarian No worries 18:52 mtompset Sorry, cait. Sorry, YoungPublicLibrarian. :) 18:51 YoungPublicLibrarian Current problem: I am trying to create a report that will return results showing all of one particular libraries patrons who have fines with a total over a certain amount. I need the report to show each fine as well as the sum of the patron's fines. Anyone have any ideas? 18:51 cait mtompset, jcamins: I think you scare people away :) 18:51 mtompset Hash::MoreUtils, Carp::Assert, Data::UUID, Time::Duration::Parse 18:51 cait YoungPublicLibrarian: still around? 18:51 jcamins Of course, if you're using Plack it's worth setting up Moose. 18:50 * jcamins refers to his above statement regarding Moose. 18:48 mtompset I also had to install 4 other libraries after convincing CHI to return a version number to convince CHI::Driver::Memcached to return a version number. 18:46 mtompset Ah. 18:46 jcamins I wrote Koha's drivers for it. 18:46 jcamins No. 18:46 mtompset You wrote CHI? 18:46 jcamins It's optional, and I developed it without installing Moose. 18:46 jcamins mtompset: nothing. 18:45 mtompset Yes, but if it doesn't tell me a version number, what else may break? 18:45 jcamins Such as loading Moose when it's not necessary. ;) 18:45 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone! 18:45 cait hi YoungPublicLibrarian 18:45 * jcamins can think of worse things. 18:44 mtompset Well, it wouldn't tell me a version number otherwise. 18:44 * jcamins uses Moose-less CHI. 18:43 jcamins mtompset: ew, and now you're going to have it loading Moose. 18:43 mtompset I determined I had to install Log::Any and Moose to get CHI to return a version number. 18:43 jcamins mtompset: you don't have to use it. It's optional. 18:42 * mtompset dislikes libchi-perl. 18:37 jcamins tcohen++ 18:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Chronological terms authorities not correctly indexed 18:37 tcohen jcamins, done. Bug 8750 18:32 jcamins cait: does "wie" in German mean something closer to "while," "because," or "how"? 18:30 gmcharlt I'll add a comment to the bug 18:30 gmcharlt oleonard: yeah, I'd say so 18:29 oleonard gmcharlt: Is the lockfile something that needs to be added by the patch? 18:28 jcamins tcohen: excellent! 18:28 gmcharlt oleonard: I'd want a lockfile to make sure that multiple runs don't occur simultaneously, but other than that, no reason not to run it as frequently as once a minute 18:28 tcohen 148 appears to be indexed in DOM (according to authority-koha-indexdefs.xml) 18:27 jcamins tcohen: yes, definitely worth a patch. 18:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , allow patron self registration via the opac 18:20 oleonard Okay, relevant to Bug 7067: Is there any good reason the process_message_queue cron can't be run every minute? 18:19 tcohen jcamins, it worked! (grs-1 chronological terms indexing 18:16 oleonard This concludes the Postgres non-sequitor portion of our broadcast 18:14 tcohen is it worth a patch? (the addition of chronological terms indexing) 18:13 mbalmer PostgreSQL 9.2 was released today. 18:10 mtompset dpkg -l says I have it installed, but ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u says I have version 0* 18:09 mtompset How do I manually check? 18:09 mtompset Question... does libchi-perl not return a version number? 18:08 tcohen i remember an error on smth about Bib-1 not defined... 18:08 tcohen i'll follow your advise on a test install and try to reindex 18:07 jcamins Oh, you could do that too. 18:07 tcohen i remember changing in koha-conf.xml some entries to point to -dom files 18:06 jcamins tcohen: no, you'll have to choose DOM. 18:06 tcohen that will set everything to point koha to use dom 18:05 jcamins Run Makefile.PL with the --prev-install-log option. 18:04 tcohen is there a path for migrating from GRS-1 to DOM? 18:04 tcohen ohhh 18:04 tcohen yeah, I meant that this was the only problem we've got yet 18:03 jcamins I meant the weird error was with bibs indexed as DOM. 18:03 jcamins tcohen: yes, that's because you just determined it isn't indexed. 18:03 tcohen we weren't able to search for chronological terms 18:03 jcamins The 148 probably isn't indexed with DOM either. 18:03 mbalmer dpavlin_ , ayt? 18:03 jcamins The error was with bibliographic records, yes? 18:02 jcamins (not using DOM) 18:02 jcamins Ah. You're going to run into all sorts of trouble with authorities. 18:02 tcohen (again) 18:02 tcohen guess I'll have to give it a try 18:02 tcohen when indexing 18:02 tcohen i didn't because I was getting some weird error 18:02 jcamins koha-authority-indexdefs.xml 18:02 jcamins But you should be using DOM. 18:02 jcamins That explains it. 18:02 jcamins Oh. 18:01 tcohen no 148 on record.abs 18:01 tcohen oops 18:00 jcamins Yes. :) 18:00 tcohen show 17:59 jcamins tcohen: Let me check. 17:57 tcohen jcamins, what do I need to add to a query to get the actual results? 17:56 Shane-S jcamins: alright, now I just need to get a barcode font on my librarian's system :P 17:55 jcamins No need to sign off. 17:55 jcamins wajasu: right, it already passed QA. 17:53 wajasu rangi: i had to retest/SIGNOFF 8209 though it passed QA. i can't change status to SIGNED-OFF from PASSED-QA. 17:53 tcohen Number of hits: 0 17:52 tcohen find @and @attr 1=authtype "CHRON_TERM" @attr 1=Heading-Main "Na" 17:52 tcohen Number of hits: 1 17:52 tcohen find @attr 1=Heading-Main "Na" 17:51 jcamins Okay, take out the @and @attr 1=authtype 17:50 tcohen both return 0 hits 17:47 jcamins That was the reason for the secord search. :) 17:46 tcohen they're not being indexed I guess, or wrong index 17:46 * jcamins doesn't use CHRON_TERM (full disclosure) 17:46 jcamins Try the second search I suggested. 17:45 jcamins Hm. 17:44 tcohen Number of hits: 0 17:43 tcohen hmmmmmmmmm 17:42 jcamins (replacing the paths with ones appropriate for your installation, of course) 17:42 tcohen thanks! 17:41 jcamins yaz-client unix:///home/jcamins/koha-dev/var/run/zebradb/authoritysocket -c ~/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/ccl.properties 17:41 tcohen /var/run/koha/zebradb 17:41 tcohen authoritysocket 17:41 jcamins Let me find it. 17:41 jcamins tcohen: it is listening through a socket, but yaz's documentation is wrong. 17:40 tcohen jcamins, how do I connect to a local zebra server trough a socket? (it IS listening in a socket, right? which is it as default?) 17:37 jcamins That may or may not be in any way useful to you. 17:36 jcamins Save it as a CSV, then change the font for the barcode column. 17:36 jcamins I don't know how to do it using the barcode tool, but I've used reports to print out barcode sheets. 17:35 jcamins Shane-S: I might. 17:34 Shane-S and I can't name the batch so I have to keep it written down like batch 4 is for Jane Doe's homeroom 17:34 Shane-S Anyone know of an easy way to group patrons and do a barcode/name page of them. We are a school and would to group kids easily by primary teacher name. Right now I have to manually add them all into a batch per teacher 17:29 drojf jcamins: not really :) 17:28 drojf maybe i should hide one of the lamps in the library 17:28 jcamins drojf: I thought blue was to put you to sleep? 17:28 * cait tries to find something for dinner 17:28 cait yeah here too... 17:28 drojf jcamins: lots of blue, makes me awake. getting dark here 17:27 drojf cait: (19:17:47) ala_3vo: I have just attended a Koha workshop conducted by USP and SPC yesterday. Good for a start in the Pacific 17:27 cait don't tell me you plotted out world domination witout me? 17:27 jcamins 17000k light? 17:27 cait oh, what did I miss? 17:27 * drojf goes home to his 17000k light 17:26 drojf yeah for koha world domination ;) 17:21 ala_3vo I have just attended a Koha workshop conducted by USP and SPC yesterday. Good for a start in the Pacific 17:19 ala_3vo Hi there drojf 17:18 drojf hello ala_3vo 17:18 ala_3vo Hello #Koha 17:17 ala Hello #koha 16:53 * wajasu lunch, then signoff 16:53 jcamins If you're the type of person who likes prospecti. 16:52 jcamins drojf: yup. It's a prospectus. Pretty cool. 16:52 jcamins wajasu: yeah, the cataloging module desperately needs an overhaul. 16:52 drojf jcamins: it seems to be some kind of advertisement 16:52 jcamins drojf: thanks! 16:51 wajasu i also thought it might be cool that as you were cataloging a biblio, on the right side margin, possibly related authority records could appear using ajax. 16:51 drojf jcamins: that might mean "Blatt" (sheets of paper) 16:50 jcamins drojf: the tag cloud uses tags, so a script could easily be written to extract authority things. 16:50 drojf wajasu: the tag cloud uses only one subfield at the moment AFAIR so that would need some tuning 16:49 jcamins drojf: http://gso.gbv.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=647749068 16:49 wajasu i'd put it onthe front page. it would describe our library. 16:48 drojf jcamins: do you have a full example? 16:48 jcamins wajasu++ 16:48 * jcamins had never thought of that. 16:48 jcamins wajasu: oooh. That'd be very cool. 16:47 wajasu maybe the tag cloud stuff can use the subject heirarchies 16:47 jcamins Thanks! 16:47 wajasu i'm signing off on this 8726. after lunch. superb work jcamins!!! I'm going to bea able to create some nice heirarchies. 16:47 jcamins drojf: in a German library catalog, what would "[3] Bl." mean? 16:46 jcamins Alternatively, @and @attr 1=authtype "CHRON_TERM" @attr 1=Heading-Main "term" 16:45 huginn jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes 16:45 jcamins @attr 1=Chronological-term "term" 16:44 jcamins tcohen++ # awesome! 16:44 tcohen If I was listening some old beastie boys tapes, and wanted to ask zebra for some CHRON_TERM using yaz, how would I do it? 16:42 jcamins lol 16:41 tcohen You didn't read my question well, I actually asked if you have heard Cunninlynguists? 16:40 wizzyrea and Reggae artists :P 16:40 jcamins tcohen: probable, in fact. 16:40 oleonard ;) 16:40 oleonard Sorry tcohen we're only talking about rappers now 16:39 tcohen is it possible that Koha has problems retreiving CHRON_TERM authorities? 16:39 wizzyrea yes, it's utterly absurd. 16:39 jcamins wizzyrea: probably because it's just so absurd. 16:39 wizzyrea you would think there would be more than one of these, but every hit was "snoop dogg changes name to snoop lion" 16:38 wizzyrea all I googled was "changed name reggae" 16:38 * wizzyrea giggles 16:38 oleonard Snoop should upgrade to Mountain Lion. 16:37 wizzyrea :D 16:37 jcamins I'm glad I wasn't taking a drink, because that did in fact make me laugh. 16:37 wizzyrea seriously 16:37 jcamins Seriously? 16:37 wizzyrea d I don't even follow this stuff really. 16:37 wizzyrea an 16:37 wizzyrea no, i'm totally not kidding 16:37 wizzyrea he is now Snoop Lion 16:37 wizzyrea it was Snoop Dogg 16:37 wizzyrea i 16:37 wizzyrea OH 16:37 wizzyrea it was a rapper... 16:36 wizzyrea no… who was it that just changed their name to become a reggae artist…. 16:36 jcamins That seems to be the way people are going these days. 16:36 * wizzyrea giggles 16:36 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't know. Probably is an unpronounceable symbol. 16:35 jcamins Hehe. I know that Tupac is a rapper. 16:35 wizzyrea didn't p diddy just change his name again? 16:35 wajasu right. 16:35 wizzyrea I think. 16:35 wizzyrea that's tupac :P 16:35 wajasu does he have a holographic manifestation available yet? 16:34 jcamins However, the suggestion plugin would suggest "Puff Daddy" from a search for "P Diddy." 16:34 jcamins Puff Daddy used to be P. Diddy. If you searched for "P Diddy" in the catalog, you probably wouldn't find his biography, because he's now "Puff Daddy." 16:34 jcamins wajasu: this is most useful for names, really. 16:32 wajasu i thought if I searched for "Arizona" and click the authority file link, i might be able to get some other biblio linked. but i wondered if i link with some topical term, the general keyword search will it pick up. 16:30 wizzyrea you got it right. :) 16:29 jcamins (P.S. I think s/he's an a musician or actor) 16:29 jcamins (also, I'm not 100% sure that I'm gendering Puff Daddy correctly, but it seems to me that "Daddy" implies masculine gender) 16:28 jcamins (I also don't know if anyone has written a biography of him) 16:28 jcamins (note: I don't know what his actual name is, just that it changed a lot) 16:28 jcamins For example, if you have an authority record for Puff Daddy, you could search for one of his other names, and follow a suggestion to get to his biography. 16:27 jcamins (then do a search for a term that appears in the authority, and it'll say 'Did you mean "Smith, John"' and when you click on Smith, John you'll get a list of books by/about him. 16:26 jcamins wajasu: yeah, it's easy. Just link an authority to a bib record. :) 16:25 wajasu i like the drag and drop plugin order :) 16:25 wajasu can you describe what needs to be added to get a result from an authority file plugin (w/o 10Kauths) ? 16:22 gaetan_B bye 16:21 jcamins wajasu: with a new QueryParser we'll switch to : instead of =, but in my opinion it's better to have the most-functional behavior *now*, and it's easy to change later. 16:14 jcamins Yes. = is actually preferable to : with our current query parser. 16:14 wajasu I like it. when i do related terms search my search text field has su-rl=Arizona instead of su-rl:Arizona Are they equivalent? 16:10 jcamins That config screen is the best part! :D 16:10 wajasu its works YAY!!!! 16:10 jcamins Ah. No, sorry. 16:10 wajasu its showing up now. 16:09 wajasu i can't spell today. 16:09 wajasu i thought you only ment the syspref 16:08 wajasu i found it 16:08 jcamins (that's fast) 16:08 * jcamins will post a screenshot. 16:08 jcamins And you don't see Did you mean? at the end? 16:07 wajasu my git log shows 8726 applied. 16:07 kf now really gone :) 16:07 * jcamins was working on 8523 yesterday. 16:07 jcamins Sorry. 16:07 wajasu 8726 16:06 jcamins It sounds like you have 8209, but not 8723. 16:06 jcamins Oh, in that case the patch isn't applied. 16:05 wajasu i only det admin syspref. 16:05 jcamins At the end there's a "Did you mean?" configuration thing. 16:05 wajasu where is the did you mean config screen? 16:05 jcamins Go to the administration section. 16:05 jcamins What do you mean? 16:05 wajasu does that popup? or is it an patron profileish thing? 16:04 jcamins In the "Did you mean?" configuration screen. 16:03 jcamins wajasu: you have to choose which one you're interested in using. 16:03 wajasu which suggestion plugin. must if active a specific one? 16:03 kf yay 16:03 drojf ;) 16:03 drojf so more konstanz, more improvement 16:02 jcamins It did. 16:02 kf and it led to improvement :P 16:02 jcamins (for those who don't know, I was battling a Konstanz authority record for four hours yesterday) 16:02 kf lol 16:02 * jcamins was horrified. :P 16:02 * jcamins wasn't amused. 16:01 drojf lol 16:01 wajasu just kidding :) 16:01 jcamins wajasu: it depends which suggestion plugin you activated. 16:01 wajasu search comes back with Konstanz over and over. 16:01 wajasu for my understanding. what triggers suggestions? what would i need to add to get suggestions to popup. just an authority with a subject heading with Arizona? (but not linked) 16:01 kf :P 16:01 jcamins Also note that there are no crazy GND or otherwise German authorities in there. 16:00 kf time to leave here :) bye all :) 15:58 jcamins (and note that none of the authorities will be linked, so following the suggestions won't return any results) 15:58 jcamins wajasu: I don't really know what authorities are in that, so you'll want to take a peek at your authority list to figure out what you might get suggestions on. 15:57 drojf maybe it's really new. i think i'll try to write them a friendly email about it. when i feel friendlier about it ;) 15:56 kf drojf: and I may be wrong too, because I am not really an expert, but we have been discussing that here 15:56 wajasu got em 15:56 drojf kf: i have just seen it now, i don't know what it does. they tell me about "addthis" in the imprint, but not about amazon, bibtip and google 15:56 jcamins [off] wajasu: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3365544/10kauthorities.zip 15:56 kf that is what I was told... but it's not easy to do :( 15:56 kf or they would have to tell you before it's too late 15:56 kf drojf: they would have to tell you and it should be opt in 15:55 kf drojf: yes 15:55 jcamins Nifty. 15:55 * wizzyrea likes these librarything people. 15:54 wizzyrea oo http://www.bowker.com/en-US/aboutus/press_room/2012/pr_09102012.shtml 15:52 wizzyrea yesssssss 15:52 wahanui feeling dumb is different from being dumb. ;) 15:52 wizzyrea feeling dumb? 15:52 drojf kf: as you are an IT law expert… wouldn't it be appropriate for my university library to tell me in the imprint that they are loading things from amazon, and maybe also what these things are? not to speak of the implication that if would be logged in to amazon they'd probably know all my searches too? 15:52 jcamins That's 350k 15:51 jcamins Wait. Way to misread. 15:51 mtompset thankfully! 15:51 wizzyrea feeling dumb is different from being dumb. ;) 15:51 mtompset So I feel dumb. 15:51 mtompset Well, I'm showing my library ignorance. 15:51 wahanui there are no dumb questions. 15:51 wizzyrea dumb question? 15:51 jcamins I thought I had only 3500? 15:50 mtompset Okay. Dumb library question... what is an authority? and how does that relate to a bibliographic record? Be easy. I'm not a librarian. 15:50 jcamins I don't know quite where I got this set from, but that's okay. 15:49 wajasu nice. 15:49 jcamins 3500. 15:49 jcamins Actually, here's a smaller set. 15:48 jcamins Faster to upload. 15:48 mtompset Suddenly 428 authorities looks like piddly squat. 15:48 jcamins wajasu: how about I give you 10k? 15:48 jcamins wajasu: Sure, but uploading might take a bit. 15:48 wajasu i don't have time to key them in. 15:47 wajasu can i borrows your 40k+ for a moment? :) 15:47 mtompset 40k+ AUTHORITIES?! 15:47 oleonard This guy. 15:47 oleonard Who has two thumbs and doesn't have 40k+ authorities sitting around for testing purposes? 15:46 jcamins wajasu: I tend to forget that most people don't have 40k+ authorities sitting around for testing purposes. 15:46 jcamins oleonard: intriguing idea. 15:46 oleonard I think anyone who is tired of waiting for a signoff should lead a testing walkthrough on GBSD. Maybe even set up a schedule. 15:46 wajasu ok. ill try adding some 15:45 wajasu searching for Arizona gave me all the results from the 8211 geoname heirarchy. do i need to add more authority records with Arizona subject heading that aren't part of that heirarchy? 15:45 oleonard wajasu++ # for testing 15:45 jcamins What I'd do is turn on "BiblioAddsAuthorities" and AutoCreateAuthorities, and catalog a bunch of things. 15:44 * jcamins should have specified "you should have multiple authority records" in the test plan. 15:44 jcamins You'll only get suggestions if you search for Arizona, Phoenix, United, or States. 15:43 jcamins Ah, of course. 15:43 wajasu jcamins: i just searched for "bacon" and i really only have the geonames in the db from testing 8211, so i got no results with no visible suggestions. IN OPAC 15:43 jcamins wajasu: oh, wait, you mean suggestions in the staff client? They weren't added yet. 15:42 kf lol 15:42 jcamins wajasu: I won't have any time today, but if you put a note of what queries you're trying, and what authority records they should match, I'll see what I can see. 15:41 drojf yup. and if nobody cares we are close to the food :D 15:40 kf if there are a few really interested peopel that's ok :) 15:40 wajasu i set suggest on in admin, and i can type whatever, and always get no results. though my arizona results are findable. i'm grabbing lunch, will check in later to see if you have time. 15:40 drojf no idea how many people will really be interested in koha though 15:40 drojf kf: i would assume that those who are really interested in koha have specific questions for us later and the rest will just listen to that 15:32 wizzyrea ^^ I do this too 15:32 mtompset Just so that I knew which one it was. ;) 15:32 jcamins And I have a git shortcut for checking out current master: git com = git checkout origin/master 15:32 Barrc jcamins: Excellent. So, say I do just that, and have a branch called "Bar". 15:32 mtompset Actually, for 3.6.x and 3.8.x, I did what jcamins said. 15:31 jcamins Right. 15:31 mtompset that way you don't get confused over "master". :) 15:31 wizzyrea though I usually leave my master alone. 15:31 wizzyrea ^^ I was about to type this exact thing 15:31 jcamins Barrc: here's how I do it: git clone. Run through the install. Decide to develop things. Check out a new branch based on origin/master, and delete my master branch. 15:31 mtompset I'd go with that. :) 15:31 * mtompset nods. 15:30 wizzyrea I don't think you need a branch 15:30 wizzyrea but if you just want to run koha off of a git clone 15:30 wizzyrea certainly if you are writing code, it's better to be on a branch. 15:30 wizzyrea I don't think there's a "best practice" for that 15:29 mtompset Some one else? 15:29 wahanui either is, like, fine 15:29 mtompset Hmm... either? 15:29 mtompset well, branch first. 15:29 Barrc or do I create a working branch first? 15:29 mtompset YES. 15:29 Barrc So, sorry for the struggle here....but - I preform a git clone. I now have a clone directory of the repository. Do I run a dev install off this? 15:24 bag good morning 15:13 tcohen hi mtompset 15:13 mtompset Greetings, oleonard, jcamins, and tcohen. 15:13 jcamins Barrc: you check out the branch you want to use. 15:12 oleonard Barrc: Whatever branch is checked out is the branch your Koha installation is running off of 15:11 Barrc One more question! If you don't commit to master how can you see the change on the dev install of Koha? If you know what I mean!? 15:05 reiveune bye 15:03 Barrc oleonard: thanks! 15:02 oleonard ...just like they told you in 6th grade. Zing! 15:01 oleonard If you want to have a master branch you should keep it clean 15:01 oleonard Right, do not commit when you're in the master branch 15:01 Barrc ah - cool. So, the reset will get me back to the original files. Then in future, do you recommend not committing to master, is that the preferred method? 15:00 oleonard Then you can check out master again and "git reset --hard origin" 15:00 oleonard The new branch should have the changes you made to master. 15:00 oleonard Barrc: Check out master, then create a new branch without specifying what it's based on. 14:59 jcamins It's impossible to inadvertantly commit to it. 14:59 jcamins This is why I don't have a master branch. 14:58 oleonard Oh, commits in master. 14:58 oleonard Barrc: So commit your changes to your custom branch and create a new one based on master 14:58 Barrc git log seems to show it 14:58 Barrc I think I have! 14:58 oleonard Barrc: That's good. You shouldn't commit your changes to your master branch 14:58 Barrc I am finished with that now and would like to move on to something else! 14:58 jcamins tcohen: that's odd. I was always told that $t couldn't be used in 1xx. 14:58 Barrc oleonard: No, I have master and the branch I made to work on 14:57 jcamins Barrc: no, you can't switch branches unless you commit your changes. 14:57 oleonard Barrc: If you type "git branch" does it list only "master" ? 14:57 Barrc So, when I switch to another branch, the modified files get reverted to the original ones? 14:57 tcohen jcamins: found an example of its usage here http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd110.html 14:57 jcamins Barrc: you commit your changed files to your branch. Then you have the commit saved, and can switch to a new branch to do something else. 14:56 Barrc oleonard: That's my query I suppose (I have looked at the wiki). Support I create a branch, then do some work. The files here are modified...... 14:56 jcamins ^^ that page explains branch creation, I think. 14:55 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 14:55 jcamins git? 14:55 jcamins Barrc: you create a new *branch* for each bug you want to test. 14:55 oleonard Barrc: Do you mean clone a new repo or create a new branch? 14:55 jcamins It can only be used in 6xx and 7xx. 14:55 jcamins tcohen: $t should not be used on 1xx fields in MARC21. 14:54 jcamins No. Not at all. 14:54 Barrc another silly git question......is it the norm to clone the repo to a new working dir for each patch? That is, suppose I clone the repo - work on a small patch then want to move to another patch? 14:54 tcohen indicators, presence of other subfield than $a, etc? 14:53 tcohen is there a rule for when that the ocurrence of $t is valid?= 14:53 tcohen hi #koha, a question on 110$t 14:40 kf sophie_m: :( 14:35 sophie_m hi kf : we are regularly disconnected here :/ 14:30 jcamins oleonard: I thought suspension in days was supposed to do that but didn't. 14:29 kf but it should be that 14:29 kf hm I think you can also set it manually 14:27 oleonard The "suspension in days" feature is what sets a date in the debarred field, correct? 14:11 paul_p (at a meeting) 14:11 paul_p (was not afk, it's just my SDSL that's still crazy...) 14:10 kf hi sophie_m :) 14:09 Oak wb paul_p 14:09 kf hi paul_p 14:08 * magnuse wanders off 14:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 14:06 wajasu vfernandes: i only know about this because i worked on bug 8378 and hope it goes out for our future release 14:04 wajasu vfernandes: well, maybe a note in the documentation might be in order if it doesn't say so already. there are many other notices, and supporting secondary or tertiary email addresses might be a lot to test. 13:57 vfernandes i thought that koha look for the valid email (work or home) bu always tries to sent to the home email 13:57 Oak hello mtompset :) 13:57 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 13:57 vfernandes thats correct 13:57 vfernandes wajasu 13:56 * Oak will tell someone wizzyrea used the f word... :) 13:56 mtompset Wednesday Thursday Friday, wizzyrea? ;) 13:55 oleonard magnuse: I'm surprised. It was as low as 62 last week I thought 13:55 magnuse oleonard: yeah, there is some squashing to be done! 13:55 wizzyrea lol ok 13:54 kf editing the wiki :) 13:54 wizzyrea wtf are you guys doing lol. 13:54 magnuse kf: yeah, you can't put things inside the template text without changing the template. just put it above the template? 13:54 kf I edited the template - magnuse will repair it maybe... :) 13:54 oleonard Whoa: http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 13:54 Oak take a deep breath kf ans try again 13:54 wizzyrea kf are you logged in? 13:53 * kf gives up 13:53 * mtompset has a musical flashback, "Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help!" ;) 13:53 kf as an additional note under the headline What 13:53 kf wizzyrea: I am trying to add '''Deadlines for the 3.10 release and an (incomplete) list of bugs and patches that will be affected by that can be found in the [http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-10-2012-08/ monthly RM newsletter]!''' 13:52 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 13:52 magnuse first question? 13:52 wizzyrea what are you trying to do 13:52 kf ok 13:52 kf oooh 13:52 magnuse hm, click the edit tab on top of the page, not the links "inside" the page? 13:52 wahanui yw 13:52 kf hm thx wahanui 13:52 wahanui help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. 13:52 kf help? 13:52 kf and I seem to not beig able to do it 13:52 kf magnuse: I wanted to add a not about the bugs and dates in the rlelease newsletter 13:51 Oak kf++ 13:51 wizzyrea admin -> library and branches 13:51 wizzyrea er sorry library definitions 13:51 magnuse kf: the template is there to be edited, so we can improve it from one gbsd to the next :-) 13:51 wizzyrea actually that address is configured in the sysprefs 13:51 kf mtompset: I have been around for a while 13:51 mtompset mbalmer++ # for making me feel better. 13:51 wajasu vfernandes: i believe that when a patron does not have an email configured, the overdue notices are batched up and sent tot he syspref KohaAdminEmailAddress. root@localhost is the default KohaAdminEmailAddress. See if that patron has an email address configured. 13:51 huginn mtompset: Karma for "mbalmer" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9. 13:51 mtompset @karma mbalmer 13:50 kf almost edited the template 13:50 huginn magnuse: Karma for "cait" has been increased 318 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 317. 13:50 magnuse @karma cait 13:50 mtompset Wow, I suck. 13:50 kf eek 13:50 huginn mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 20 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 19. 13:50 mtompset @karma mtompset 13:49 oleonard vfernandes: Do you have the AutoEmailPrimaryAddress system preference set to something other than "first valid?" 13:49 huginn kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 202 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 202. 13:49 kf @karma kf 13:49 kf now I got the karma :) 13:49 kf yay 13:48 magnuse kf++ 13:48 vfernandes no one can help me? 13:48 kf it's done 13:48 magnuse kf: that's what i have usually done 13:46 mtompset But that's the wiki. 13:46 mtompset Well... 4:59.999999 ;) 13:45 mtompset The end time needs 5 more minutes. ;) 13:45 kf koha and koha-devel? 13:44 oleonard Looks good to me kf 13:43 kf oleonard: I take your ++ that I didn't make any embarassing typos? :) 13:43 oleonard kf++ 13:43 magnuse kf: more than ok! :-) 13:42 kf [off] http://paste.koha-community.org/165 < ok? 13:42 saa ok 13:41 mtompset Sorry, saa... I can't see how that logically could happen. 13:40 vfernandes the overdue notices are not being sent to the user/patron... instead of that is being build a multipart on the database and are sent to root@localhost 13:40 mtompset "The 48 hours of Friday September 14th, 2012, of whatever time zone you wish." ;) 13:39 magnuse kf, oleonard: "The 24 hours of Friday September 14th 2012, in whatever time zone you are in." :-) 13:39 vfernandes i'm having a little problem with one of mine Koha installation 13:39 mtompset blank db... ran webinstaller... no errors... zebraqueue error? 13:39 oleonard There you go kf. Thanks magnuse of course you're right 13:39 vfernandes hi guys 13:38 magnuse kf, oleonard: it is friday, wherever you happen to be, that's why it is effectively 48 hours, not 24 13:38 saa last line of zebraqueue log 13:38 oleonard kf: For reference, magnuse did state a day of the week in previous announcements even if it isn't entirely accurate for everyone 13:37 saa DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_hashref failed: fetch() without execute() at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 125. 13:36 saa yes 13:36 kf i hate timezones 13:36 wahanui Friday is probably It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday 13:36 mtompset Friday? 13:36 kf oh it is 13:36 kf or is it? 13:36 mtompset friday 13:36 kf because it's not friday everywhere? 13:36 kf ? 13:36 kf when I write friday that's wrong - right 13:36 mtompset All the defaults... 13:36 kf hm 13:36 saa yes koha database kohaadmin user 13:35 saa just blank koha database is created with providing permissions 13:35 mtompset Is your koha database called koha? 13:35 saa no 13:35 mtompset Did you have tables in your koha database before you ran the web installer? 13:35 saa what could go wrong 13:35 saa i just ran web installer step by step 13:34 mtompset Then your koha database's tables are messed up. 13:34 magnuse kf try googling for: koha-devel Global Bug Squashing Day 13:34 saa but it didnt give any error while web installer is ran 13:33 mtompset If you did the web installer steps, it should create all the tables necessary. And if it didn't then there is something wrong with your koha database. 13:32 magnuse kf: cause i go out of my way to hide them? ;-) 13:31 mtompset Did you do the web installer steps? 13:31 oleonard saa: That means your Koha database wasn't created properly 13:31 saa koha zebrasrv gives error as "DBD::mysql:t execute failed: Table 'koha.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 124 13:31 oleonard posted above mtompset 13:30 mtompset What error? 13:30 kf magnuse: why is it so hard to find a mail from you about gbsd? I wanted to steal shamelessly :) 13:30 saa can someone help to solve the above error 13:29 saa which is very helpful and handy for participants 13:29 saa we burn these iso on CDROM and distribute during workshop 13:28 oleonard mtompset: You can ask that this disadvantage be pointed out, but you can't stop people from wanting to create LiveCDs 13:28 mtompset (assuming they take the LiveCD with them) 13:26 mtompset I know, kf. But outside of the workshop, a support nightmare has been created. 13:25 kf mtompset: there are places where people can't download so much data easily 13:25 mtompset Yes, but then those people will take the livecd with them, and cascade the problem. 13:25 saa and where people are nt aware about installation or cannot handle installation 13:24 saa for workshops on koha 13:23 saa we knw but still it is useful 13:23 mtompset By the time you finish burning it, and passing it around, the next version will already be released. 13:23 mtompset Sorry, saa, but a livecd is not recommended. 13:21 saa i am preparing livecd for koha with new version of koha 13:20 saa can someone help 13:20 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009) 13:20 gmcharlt @quote random 13:20 saa i have been getting no results in OPAC even cron job is set in 3.8.3 koha zebrasrv gives error as "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 124." 13:20 wajasu jcamins_away: will try 8209 and 8726 13:19 nengard hehe 13:19 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 13:19 nengard and oleonard 13:19 nengard kf, jcamins: http://blip.tv/bywater-solutions-tv/finding-source-of-acquisition-for-items-in-koha-3-8-6345112 13:13 mtompset mtj++ # for verbalizing and volunteering regarding such a position. :) 13:11 mtompset Well, I figure our fearless "Installation Documentation Manager" (mtj) will fix it whenever. :) 13:10 mtompset Ah, normal users can't do it. 13:10 oleonard mtompset: Left-hand sidebar? 13:10 wahanui mtompset: I forgot that 13:10 mtompset wahanui forget that 13:09 wahanui i heard that was pulled from the fields 13:09 mtompset where is that? 13:09 oleonard Try the help. 13:09 mtompset yes. 13:09 oleonard Exists as an empty page? 13:08 mtompset The page still exists. 13:08 mtompset I tried that. 13:08 * oleonard vaguely recalls? 13:08 oleonard mtompset: Don't you simply empty the contents of the page? 13:07 mtompset Even if I created the page? 13:06 nengard i think that's a special permission 13:06 nengard I'll be back with a link for you all 13:06 mtompset Does anyone know how to DELETE a wiki page? 13:06 nengard I know how to show people to do this 13:06 nengard OOOOO -I got it 13:04 kf or a search button to search for the vendor like we do in serials 13:03 nengard oleonard, i did not, adding one now 13:03 kf like make the field use a autocomplete thingy 13:03 nengard but jquery might be the way to go 13:03 kf or a new feature 13:03 oleonard nengard: Did you see my request for a screenshot on that bug? 13:03 kf what we would need is show the name - read only maybe 13:03 nengard and so do a lot of libraries 13:03 nengard yeah, 13:03 kf We have a special library with several hundreds of vendors 13:03 nengard that's okay 13:03 kf nengard: I think the problem with that is, that a pull down will not work 13:02 kf I mean it should be possible to get the number shown and place a link somewhere near to it - but have no time to work that out right now :( 13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8676 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , show vendor name in source of acquisition 13:02 nengard i did report bug 8676 13:02 nengard i like that idea 13:02 nengard kf ? ooooooo 13:02 nengard and a report in a video isn't copy-able 13:02 kf on the page 13:02 kf I think you could probably use jQuery to create a link... 13:02 nengard not sure i want to do a video on how to change the URL 13:01 nengard that's what i was worried about 13:01 kf yeah or manipulate the url 13:01 kf amybe a custom report 13:01 jcamins nengard: I think you have to enter it into the URL, but I could be mistaken. 13:01 kf I think you can't do that easily right now 13:01 kf hm 13:01 nengard one library wanted a video on how to find out the vendor name using the ID number that's being put in the item record during acquisitions 13:00 nengard is there an easy way to find a vendor using their ID number? 12:59 nengard I'm out of ideas 12:59 nengard now - a question - what tutorial videos do we need?? :) 12:59 nengard got it! 12:58 nengard oh! 12:55 oleonard I believe that's what drojf is getting at about adding the "freedom" to the "open source" 12:55 nengard hence the reason i can't have a deep discussion :) 12:55 nengard see - it's monday morning and my brain isn't working right yet 12:55 nengard :) oh! 12:55 oleonard nengard: I mean exactly the distinction you talk about in your blog post and article: The difference between open in name only and open in spirit. 12:53 kf still have to learn a lot myself - trying to get it right 12:53 nengard oleonard, what distinction are you talking about? - i do educate people about what free software is versus open source software 12:53 kf yes, I think we should use the correct terms 12:53 samuel KF:Our ILS is an old french ILS. In fact, it's not really an ILS, at the beginning, its 's an ECM. It's very very very old and , no good solutions to export 12:53 kf oleonard++ 12:52 oleonard nengard: As more and more "open source" projects appear on the radar of those librarians, I think it behooves us to start educating about the distinction. Just as we had to educate about the difference between "free" and "open source" 12:52 drojf nengard: i agree we should not discuss this in detail now, i have a paper to work on :) 12:51 kf ah, I meant as an ILS :) 12:50 samuel kf:marcedit 12:50 nengard drojf this is a longer conversation then one I can have by typing it all out :) and it's monday morning and my brain isn't working - suffice it to say that librarians and most general computers users don't make the distinction between free and open source - they lump it together (right or wrong - that's what they do) 12:49 kf what are you currently using? 12:48 samuel dont' worry, i'm looking for.Our ils make me crazy :-) 12:48 oleonard Hi #koha 12:48 kf samuel: not sure how to help you here :( 12:44 samuel yes and that's where i have some problems with marcedit to do a marc file. 12:43 kf yes, you can use staged or bulkmarcimport - but you need marc for that 12:43 kf for UNIMARC it's 995 12:43 kf oh sorry, that's right 12:42 samuel with bulkmarcimport? In france, it's in 995 fields 12:41 kf I think you could also fill the items table directly, but the hard part is to get the right biblionumbers for your records. And you will have to do a full reindex. Or you can write a perl script using the API for adding items. 12:41 kf the easiest way is to add it using the import scripts in 952 fields. 12:40 drojf nengard: according to search engines, we call it "free and open source software", while the fork calls it "open source". 12:40 kf hi samuel 12:40 samuel could someone tell me what is the best way to insert items in kohar? All my recors have been added but i 've ton insert and link records with items. I've a text file with all my items but i've some problems ton convert it in marc file. 12:38 samuel hi everybody 12:35 magnuse :-( 12:35 kf tnis is not funny 12:35 kf grr. outlook forgot my settings, for like the thenth time 12:33 kf wise :) 12:32 magnuse kf: that's why i didn't ++ you yet ;-) 12:32 kf have to update some documentation first 12:32 kf magnuse: wait until it's done 12:32 magnuse excellent, kf! 12:32 nengard drojf and I understand that and so do those here in this room - but the average librarian or average computer user doesn't understand why there are different definitions - as an educator I want people to understand that choosing Koha means choosing community, means choosing freedom, means all that free software is defined as, even though we call it the 'open source' ils 12:32 kf thatok for you? 12:32 kf and mention the deadlines 12:31 kf I was thinkign aobut adding a link to paul's list of patches in the newsletter 12:31 kf m 12:31 kf h 12:31 * magnuse had forgotten... 12:31 magnuse yay! 12:31 kf it's on my list for today to send that mail :) 12:31 kf thx :) 12:31 magnuse yay 12:31 wahanui next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:31 magnuse next gbsd? 12:31 magnuse next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:31 wahanui magnuse: I forgot next gbsd 12:31 magnuse wahanui: forget next gbsd 12:30 wahanui next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:30 magnuse next gbsd? 12:30 magnuse next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:30 magnuse kf: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:30 drojf nengard: that may work on a "per project" basis. we as the koha community do things in a certain way and some of us call it "open source". personally my associations with the term "open source" are very much in the direction of the roy-tennant-quote and there is nobody preventing companies from labelling their projects "open source" that have this kind of philosophy. "free software" in the fsf/gpl meaning seems more explicit to me. 12:28 magnuse hehe, will do 12:27 kf I can edit it, but I am stupid when it comes to adding new pages with mediawiki 12:27 kf could you create a wiki page for the gbsd this friday? 12:27 magnuse um, yup 12:27 kf magnuse: around? 12:22 nengard it's not about the letter of the law (or license) it's about what we believe, feel, etc 12:22 nengard but that's my point 12:22 nengard agreed 12:20 drojf ctrl+f "freedom" on http://opensource.org/osd.html … "not found" … 12:14 mtompset Greetings, nengard. 12:13 nengard hiya 12:11 kf hi nengard 12:11 nengard you're all featured on opensource.com today :) http://opensource.com/life/12/9/should-we-develop-open-source-openly 12:11 nengard morning #koha 10:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha should have mechanized testing suite 10:35 jcamins Wow. Bug 8300 was a challenge. 10:08 kf ahcool 10:08 jcamins kf: rangi did. 10:07 kf rangi, jcamins: why not comment on the bug? 10:05 jcamins One for pushing, one for fetching. 10:04 jcamins That's how I have my RMaint repo set up. 10:04 jcamins Of course. 10:03 mtompset Should work still, right? 10:02 mtompset What if someone creates two repository lists to the same repository? 10:02 mtompset Hmmm... I just had a weird thought. 08:55 rangi we're done, can't recreate, sounds like a local issue 08:54 * mtompset cheers rangi and jcamins on. :) 08:54 mtompset Oh the joys of bug hunting. :) 08:52 rangi so im not sure where that other error is coming from 08:52 jcamins Ditto. 08:52 rangi after the patch i can 08:52 * jcamins did too. 08:52 rangi before the patch, i cant edit a borrower 08:51 rangi i just tested on master 08:46 rangi heh 08:46 jcamins Jinx! 08:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Use Koha::Cache everywhere 08:45 jcamins paul_p: that sounds like a different error, possibly not related to bug 8089. 08:45 mtompset I put a patch to try to find a reasonable perl version. 08:44 rangi paul_p: did you try the tests? they fail before the patch and pass after, and that error you are getting is not the one that was being caused 08:41 kf jcamins++ 08:36 jcamins kf: fixed the tree opening. 08:26 jcamins We should probably change the example to not be list a hardcoded perl version. 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8742 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL 08:24 mtompset What do you think of bug 8742, jcamins? :) 08:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8649 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , C4::Search needs a unit test 08:19 mtompset bug 8649? 08:15 jcamins Speaking of mtj... mtj, wouldn't you like to QA 8649? :) 08:14 mtompset mtj is the Mason James that wanted to be "Installation Documentation Manager" on the list, right? 08:12 kf hi mtompset, wahanui and jcamins 08:11 mtompset Hi, kf. 08:10 jcamins lol 08:10 mtompset Wasn't me, thankfully. 08:09 kf how did that happen? 08:09 kf lol 08:09 * mtompset laughs, "Nice addition." 08:09 wahanui jcamins is, like, A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins or a very naughty wahanui teacher 08:09 mtompset jcamins? 08:08 * mtompset chants, "Rebase! Rebase! Rebased!" 08:03 jcamins Rebase all the things! 08:03 jcamins Exactly. 08:02 mtompset Might as well be productive, right? 08:02 mtompset Ah, okay. 08:02 jcamins I spent the last two hours telling myself that I was going to fall back asleep, but eventually I had to just give up. 08:01 jcamins My wife had a 6:15 calltime two hours away. 08:01 jcamins It's 4am. 08:01 jcamins mtompset: EST. 08:00 mtompset jcamins_away?! What timezone are you? I wouldn't have expected you for another couple hours. 07:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms 07:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities 07:58 jcamins_away wajasu: rebased bug 8209 and bug 8726. 07:42 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 07:39 magnuse :-) 07:38 drojf hei magnuse 07:38 magnuse hiya drojf et al 07:24 drojf good morning #koha 07:06 gaetan_B hello 06:50 matts hi ! 06:47 reiveune hello 06:44 alex_a bonjour #koha 06:41 cait work time bbl 06:14 magnuse yeah, mtj++ 06:14 magnuse hiya cait 06:13 cait hi magnuse 06:10 magnuse Oak 06:05 cait pretty manual and installation documentation :) 06:04 cait mtj++ 05:48 mtj oops, fixed :) 05:47 rangi Mtj I think you meant passed qa not pushed for qa? 05:14 Oak kia ora #koha 05:14 Oak magnuse 04:54 Oak :) 04:38 cait Salaam Oak 04:36 Oak Guten morgen miss cait 03:41 wajasu i'll probably get 8726 done in my morning. do you have any specific patches i should persue tomorrow? 03:39 wajasu thx 03:39 wajasu jcamins was rebasing and reposting patches for me all afternoon for 8211 so its probably the same deal. tommorrow then. 03:26 rangi well if you ahve tried all the depends, then its a patch does not apply 03:19 wajasu no its in my git log already 03:16 wajasu maybe i need 8143 03:14 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "after applying all dependOn is get" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/164 03:12 wajasu the patch file mentions jquery ui datepicker version upgrades 03:11 wajasu after all the dependsOn: fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (installer/data/mysql/sysprefs.sql 02:33 wajasu for 8209 02:33 wajasu reconciling updatabase and sysprefs sql 02:30 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 02:29 wajasu i'll try it. 02:29 wajasu ok. then 02:29 rangi its passed qa 02:29 rangi nope 02:28 wajasu 8209 is passed QA so its on master, correct? 02:27 rangi you probably need to apply that/them first 02:27 rangi check what it depends on 02:26 wajasu jcamins_away: it tried to apply 8276 but => fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (Koha/SuggestionEngine.pm 02:17 wajasu i'm going to try to test 8726 now 02:16 wajasu sysprefs have QueryFuzzy = Try! 02:15 rangi it will tell you if its on or not 02:15 rangi wajasu: check the sysprefs 02:14 mtj sounds fuzzy to me :) 02:12 wajasu i tried barb, to, love, amer and 1st 6 numbers of isbn and it found the book ...1000 things to love about America. Is that the fuzzy serach? 01:13 mtj all automagicical 01:13 mtj … to this -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/d.html 01:13 mtj so, from that -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian ... 01:13 rangi yay! 01:11 mtj they great news about my 'koha-docs' stuff, is that its all automated/scripted 01:09 jcamins_away wajasu: you may need to resolve conflicts in sysprefs.sql and updatedatabase, but they should be pretty easy. 01:06 mtj … and didnt check anything 01:06 mtj not sure about the chapters stuff… (i did it laaate last nite) 01:06 rangi ahhh 01:05 mtj hmm, the TOC is built into the 'pages' dropdown... 01:05 rangi very nice tho 01:04 rangi just missing the chapters? 01:04 rangi nice :) 01:04 rangi ohh so pretty! 01:04 mtj and nicole's koha manual too -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/index.html 01:02 mtj and, also…. -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/d.html 01:02 mtj amen to that... 01:02 rangi don't feed the trolls :) 01:02 rangi i wouldnt worry about it it was a hastitly thought up excuse to explain an already decided behaviour 01:02 mtj aaah, ok - thats good to know :) 01:01 rangi now its core 01:01 rangi its supported it for years in bunches of modules 01:01 mtj 'Perl 5.14 ships with a complete set of IPv6-related functions in the Socket module.' 01:01 rangi its bogus 01:00 mtj … so, fixed(ish) on perl-5.14? 01:00 mtj this looks promising -> http://www.perl.org/about/whitepapers/perl-ipv6.html 00:59 mtj i was curious about the perl/ipv6 topic before... 00:59 rangi try switching fuzzy searching on wajasu 00:58 mtj hi #koha 00:34 wajasu i notice if i do a search "1000" in OPAC, that "1,000 Things to love in America" doesn't give results. Not that it should, but if you have a comma '1,000' it does find it. Just sayin. 00:33 wajasu i'm taking a break first. 00:32 wajasu jcamins_away: 8209 is passwd QA, so i expect its on master, so i can try 8726 now 00:23 wajasu jcamins++ 00:23 wajasu Whew! done. 00:04 jcamins Skinning almonds: even worse than writing unit tests 00:04 jcamins Excellent!