Time  Nick                 Message
00:04 jcamins              Excellent!
00:04 jcamins              Skinning almonds: even worse than writing unit tests
00:23 wajasu               Whew! done.
00:23 wajasu               jcamins++
00:32 wajasu               jcamins_away: 8209 is passwd QA, so i expect its on master, so i can try 8726 now
00:33 wajasu               i'm taking a break first.
00:34 wajasu               i notice if i do a search "1000"    in OPAC,  that  "1,000 Things to love in America" doesn't give results.  Not that it should, but if you have a comma '1,000' it does find it.  Just sayin.
00:58 mtj                  hi #koha
00:59 rangi                try switching fuzzy searching on wajasu
00:59 mtj                  i was curious about the perl/ipv6 topic before...
01:00 mtj                  this looks promising -> http://www.perl.org/about/whitepapers/perl-ipv6.html
01:00 mtj                  … so, fixed(ish) on perl-5.14?
01:01 rangi                its bogus
01:01 mtj                  'Perl 5.14 ships with a complete set of IPv6-related functions in the Socket module.'
01:01 rangi                its supported it for years in bunches of modules
01:01 rangi                now its core
01:02 mtj                  aaah, ok - thats good to know :)
01:02 rangi                i wouldnt worry about it it was a hastitly thought up excuse to explain an already decided behaviour
01:02 rangi                don't feed the trolls :)
01:02 mtj                  amen to that...
01:02 mtj                  and, also…. -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/d.html
01:04 mtj                  and nicole's koha manual too -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/index.html
01:04 rangi                ohh so pretty!
01:04 rangi                nice :)
01:04 rangi                just missing the chapters?
01:05 rangi                very nice tho
01:05 mtj                  hmm, the TOC is built into the 'pages' dropdown...
01:06 rangi                ahhh
01:06 mtj                  not sure about the chapters stuff… (i did it laaate last nite)
01:06 mtj                  … and didnt check anything
01:09 jcamins_away         wajasu: you may need to resolve conflicts in sysprefs.sql and updatedatabase, but they should be pretty easy.
01:11 mtj                  they great news about my 'koha-docs' stuff, is that its all automated/scripted
01:13 rangi                yay!
01:13 mtj                  so, from that -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian  ...
01:13 mtj                  … to this -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/d.html
01:13 mtj                  all automagicical
02:12 wajasu               i tried barb, to, love, amer and 1st 6 numbers of isbn and it found the book ...1000 things to love about America.   Is that the fuzzy serach?
02:14 mtj                  sounds fuzzy to me :)
02:15 rangi                wajasu: check the sysprefs
02:15 rangi                it will tell you if its on or not
02:16 wajasu               sysprefs have QueryFuzzy = Try!
02:17 wajasu               i'm going to try to test 8726 now
02:26 wajasu               jcamins_away: it tried to apply 8276 but => fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (Koha/SuggestionEngine.pm
02:27 rangi                check what it depends on
02:27 rangi                you probably need to apply that/them first
02:28 wajasu               8209 is passed QA so its on master, correct?
02:29 rangi                nope
02:29 rangi                its passed qa
02:29 wajasu               ok. then
02:29 wajasu               i'll try it.
02:30 rangi                http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
02:33 wajasu               reconciling updatabase and sysprefs sql
02:33 wajasu               for 8209
03:11 wajasu               after all the dependsOn:     fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (installer/data/mysql/sysprefs.sql
03:12 wajasu               the patch file mentions jquery ui datepicker  version upgrades
03:14 pastebot             "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "after applying all dependOn is get" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/164
03:16 wajasu               maybe i need 8143
03:19 wajasu               no its in my git log already
03:26 rangi                well if you ahve tried all the depends, then its a patch does not apply
03:39 wajasu               jcamins was rebasing and  reposting patches for me all afternoon for 8211  so its probably the same deal. tommorrow then.
03:39 wajasu               thx
03:41 wajasu               i'll probably get 8726 done in my morning.  do you have any specific patches i should persue tomorrow?
04:36 Oak                  Guten morgen miss cait
04:38 cait                 Salaam Oak
04:54 Oak                  :)
05:14 Oak                  magnuse
05:14 Oak                  kia ora #koha
05:47 rangi                Mtj I think you meant passed qa not pushed for qa?
05:48 mtj                  oops, fixed :)
06:04 cait                 mtj++
06:05 cait                 pretty manual and installation documentation :)
06:10 magnuse              Oak
06:13 cait                 hi magnuse
06:14 magnuse              hiya cait
06:14 magnuse              yeah, mtj++
06:41 cait                 work time bbl
06:44 alex_a               bonjour #koha
06:47 reiveune             hello
06:50 matts                hi !
07:06 gaetan_B             hello
07:24 drojf                good morning #koha
07:38 magnuse              hiya drojf et al
07:38 drojf                hei magnuse
07:39 magnuse              :-)
07:42 mtompset             Greetings, #koha.
07:58 jcamins_away         wajasu: rebased bug 8209 and bug 8726.
07:58 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
07:58 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms
08:00 mtompset             jcamins_away?! What timezone are you? I wouldn't have expected you for another couple hours.
08:01 jcamins              mtompset: EST.
08:01 jcamins              It's 4am.
08:01 jcamins              My wife had a 6:15 calltime two hours away.
08:02 jcamins              I spent the last two hours telling myself that I was going to fall back asleep, but eventually I had to just give up.
08:02 mtompset             Ah, okay.
08:02 mtompset             Might as well be productive, right?
08:03 jcamins              Exactly.
08:03 jcamins              Rebase all the things!
08:08 * mtompset           chants, "Rebase! Rebase! Rebased!"
08:09 mtompset             jcamins?
08:09 wahanui              jcamins is, like, A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins or a very naughty wahanui teacher
08:09 * mtompset           laughs, "Nice addition."
08:09 kf                   lol
08:09 kf                   how did that happen?
08:10 mtompset             Wasn't me, thankfully.
08:10 jcamins              lol
08:11 mtompset             Hi, kf.
08:12 kf                   hi mtompset, wahanui and jcamins
08:14 mtompset             mtj is the Mason James that wanted to be "Installation Documentation Manager" on the list, right?
08:15 jcamins              Speaking of mtj... mtj, wouldn't you like to QA 8649? :)
08:19 mtompset             bug 8649?
08:19 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8649 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , C4::Search needs a unit test
08:24 mtompset             What do you think of bug 8742, jcamins? :)
08:24 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8742 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL
08:26 jcamins              We should probably change the example to not be list a hardcoded perl version.
08:36 jcamins              kf: fixed the tree opening.
08:41 kf                   jcamins++
08:44 rangi                paul_p: did you try the tests? they fail before the patch and pass after, and that error you are getting is not the one that was being caused
08:45 mtompset             I put a patch to try to find a reasonable perl version.
08:45 jcamins              paul_p: that sounds like a different error, possibly not related to bug 8089.
08:45 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Use Koha::Cache everywhere
08:46 jcamins              Jinx!
08:46 rangi                heh
08:51 rangi                i just tested on master
08:52 rangi                before the patch, i cant edit a borrower
08:52 * jcamins            did too.
08:52 rangi                after the patch i can
08:52 jcamins              Ditto.
08:52 rangi                so im not sure where that other error is coming from
08:54 mtompset             Oh the joys of bug hunting. :)
08:54 * mtompset           cheers rangi and jcamins on. :)
08:55 rangi                we're done, can't recreate, sounds like a local issue
10:02 mtompset             Hmmm... I just had a weird thought.
10:02 mtompset             What if someone creates two repository lists to the same repository?
10:03 mtompset             Should work still, right?
10:04 jcamins              Of course.
10:04 jcamins              That's how I have my RMaint repo set up.
10:05 jcamins              One for pushing, one for fetching.
10:07 kf                   rangi, jcamins: why not comment on the bug?
10:08 jcamins              kf: rangi did.
10:08 kf                   ahcool
10:35 jcamins              Wow. Bug 8300 was a challenge.
10:35 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha should have mechanized testing suite
12:11 nengard              morning #koha
12:11 nengard              you're all featured on opensource.com today :)  http://opensource.com/life/12/9/should-we-develop-open-source-openly
12:11 kf                   hi nengard
12:13 nengard              hiya
12:14 mtompset             Greetings, nengard.
12:20 drojf                ctrl+f "freedom" on http://opensource.org/osd.html … "not found" …
12:22 nengard              agreed
12:22 nengard              but that's my point
12:22 nengard              it's not about the letter of the law (or license) it's about what we believe, feel, etc
12:27 kf                   magnuse: around?
12:27 magnuse              um, yup
12:27 kf                   could you create a wiki page for the gbsd this friday?
12:27 kf                   I can edit it, but I am stupid when it comes to adding new pages with mediawiki
12:28 magnuse              hehe, will do
12:30 drojf                nengard: that may work on a "per project" basis. we as the koha community do things in a certain way and some of us call it "open source". personally my associations with the term "open source" are very much in the direction of the roy-tennant-quote and there is nobody preventing companies from labelling their projects "open source" that have this kind of philosophy. "free software" in the fsf/gpl meaning seems more explicit to me.
12:30 magnuse              kf: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day
12:30 magnuse              next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day
12:30 magnuse              next gbsd?
12:30 wahanui              next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
12:31 magnuse              wahanui: forget next gbsd
12:31 wahanui              magnuse: I forgot next gbsd
12:31 magnuse              next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day
12:31 magnuse              next gbsd?
12:31 wahanui              next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day
12:31 magnuse              yay
12:31 kf                   thx :)
12:31 kf                   it's on my list for today to send that mail :)
12:31 magnuse              yay!
12:31 * magnuse            had forgotten...
12:31 kf                   h
12:31 kf                   m
12:31 kf                   I was thinkign aobut adding a link to paul's list of patches in the newsletter
12:32 kf                   and mention the deadlines
12:32 kf                   thatok for you?
12:32 nengard              drojf and I understand that and so do those here in this room - but the average librarian or average computer user doesn't understand why there are different definitions - as an educator I want people to understand that choosing Koha means choosing community, means choosing freedom, means all that free software is defined as, even though we call it the 'open source' ils
12:32 magnuse              excellent, kf!
12:32 kf                   magnuse: wait until it's done
12:32 kf                   have to update some documentation first
12:32 magnuse              kf: that's why i didn't ++ you yet ;-)
12:33 kf                   wise :)
12:35 kf                   grr. outlook forgot my settings, for like the thenth time
12:35 kf                   tnis is not funny
12:35 magnuse              :-(
12:38 samuel               hi everybody
12:40 samuel               could someone tell me what is the best way to insert items in kohar?  All my recors have been added but i 've ton insert and link records with items. I've a text file with all my items but i've some problems ton convert it in marc file.
12:40 kf                   hi samuel
12:40 drojf                nengard: according to search engines, we call it "free and open source software", while the fork calls it "open source".
12:41 kf                   the easiest way is to add it using the import scripts in 952 fields.
12:41 kf                   I think you could also fill the items table directly, but the hard part is to get the right biblionumbers for your records. And you will have to do a full reindex. Or you can write a perl script using the API for adding items.
12:42 samuel               with bulkmarcimport? In france, it's in 995 fields
12:43 kf                   oh sorry, that's right
12:43 kf                   for UNIMARC it's 995
12:43 kf                   yes, you can use staged or bulkmarcimport - but you need marc for that
12:44 samuel               yes and that's where i have some problems with marcedit to do a marc file.
12:48 kf                   samuel: not sure how to help you here :(
12:48 oleonard             Hi #koha
12:48 samuel               dont' worry, i'm looking for.Our ils make me crazy :-)
12:49 kf                   what are you currently using?
12:50 nengard              drojf this is a longer conversation then one I can have by typing it all out :) and it's monday morning and my brain isn't working - suffice it to say that librarians and most general computers users don't make the distinction between free and open source - they lump it together  (right or wrong - that's what they do)
12:50 samuel               kf:marcedit
12:51 kf                   ah, I meant as an ILS :)
12:52 drojf                nengard: i agree we should not discuss this in detail now, i have a paper to work on :)
12:52 oleonard             nengard: As more and more "open source" projects appear on the radar of those librarians, I think it behooves us to start educating about the distinction. Just as we had to educate about the difference between "free" and "open source"
12:53 kf                   oleonard++
12:53 samuel               KF:Our ILS is an old french ILS. In fact, it's not really an ILS, at the beginning, its 's an ECM. It's very very very old and , no good solutions to export
12:53 kf                   yes, I think we should use the correct terms
12:53 nengard              oleonard, what distinction are you talking about? - i do educate people about what free software is versus open source software
12:53 kf                   still have to learn a lot myself - trying to get it right
12:55 oleonard             nengard: I mean exactly the distinction you talk about in your blog post and article: The difference between open in name only and open in spirit.
12:55 nengard              :) oh!
12:55 nengard              see - it's monday morning and my brain isn't working right yet
12:55 nengard              hence the reason i can't have a deep discussion :)
12:55 oleonard             I believe that's what drojf is getting at about adding the "freedom" to the "open source"
12:58 nengard              oh!
12:59 nengard              got it!
12:59 nengard              now - a question - what tutorial videos do we need?? :)
12:59 nengard              I'm out of ideas
13:00 nengard              is there an easy way to find a vendor using their ID number?
13:01 nengard              one library wanted a video on how to find out the vendor name using the ID number that's being put in the item record during acquisitions
13:01 kf                   hm
13:01 kf                   I think you can't do that easily right now
13:01 jcamins              nengard: I think you have to enter it into the URL, but I could be mistaken.
13:01 kf                   amybe a custom report
13:01 kf                   yeah or manipulate the url
13:01 nengard              that's what i was worried about
13:02 nengard              not sure i want to do a video on how to change the URL
13:02 kf                   I think you could probably use jQuery to create a link...
13:02 kf                   on the page
13:02 nengard              and a report in a video isn't copy-able
13:02 nengard              kf ? ooooooo
13:02 nengard              i like that idea
13:02 nengard              i did report bug 8676
13:02 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8676 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , show vendor name in source of acquisition
13:02 kf                   I mean it should be possible to get the number shown and place a link somewhere near to it - but have no time to work that out right now :(
13:03 kf                   nengard: I think the problem with that is, that a pull down will not work
13:03 nengard              that's okay
13:03 kf                   We have a special library with several hundreds of vendors
13:03 nengard              yeah,
13:03 nengard              and so do a lot of libraries
13:03 kf                   what we would need is show the name - read only maybe
13:03 oleonard             nengard: Did you see my request for a screenshot on that bug?
13:03 kf                   or a new feature
13:03 nengard              but jquery might be the way to go
13:03 kf                   like make the field use a autocomplete thingy
13:03 nengard              oleonard, i did not, adding one now
13:04 kf                   or a search button to search for the vendor like we do in serials
13:06 nengard              OOOOO  -I got it
13:06 nengard              I know how to show people to do this
13:06 mtompset             Does anyone know how to DELETE a wiki page?
13:06 nengard              I'll be back with a link for you all
13:06 nengard              i think that's a special permission
13:07 mtompset             Even if I created the page?
13:08 oleonard             mtompset: Don't you simply empty the contents of the page?
13:08 * oleonard           vaguely recalls?
13:08 mtompset             I tried that.
13:08 mtompset             The page still exists.
13:09 oleonard             Exists as an empty page?
13:09 mtompset             yes.
13:09 oleonard             Try the help.
13:09 mtompset             where is that?
13:09 wahanui              i heard that was pulled from the fields
13:10 mtompset             wahanui forget that
13:10 wahanui              mtompset: I forgot that
13:10 oleonard             mtompset: Left-hand sidebar?
13:10 mtompset             Ah, normal users can't do it.
13:11 mtompset             Well, I figure our fearless "Installation Documentation Manager" (mtj) will fix it whenever. :)
13:13 mtompset             mtj++ # for verbalizing and volunteering regarding such a position. :)
13:19 nengard              kf, jcamins: http://blip.tv/bywater-solutions-tv/finding-source-of-acquisition-for-items-in-koha-3-8-6345112
13:19 nengard              and oleonard
13:19 wahanui              oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
13:19 nengard              hehe
13:20 wajasu               jcamins_away: will try 8209 and 8726
13:20 saa                  i have been getting no results in OPAC even cron job is set in 3.8.3 koha zebrasrv gives error as "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 124."
13:20 gmcharlt             @quote random
13:20 huginn               gmcharlt: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009)
13:20 saa                  can someone help
13:21 saa                  i am preparing livecd for koha with new version of koha
13:23 mtompset             Sorry, saa, but a livecd is not recommended.
13:23 mtompset             By the time you finish burning it, and passing it around, the next version will already be released.
13:23 saa                  we knw but still it is useful
13:24 saa                  for workshops on koha
13:25 saa                  and where people are nt aware about installation or cannot handle installation
13:25 mtompset             Yes, but then those people will take the livecd with them, and cascade the problem.
13:25 kf                   mtompset: there are places where people can't download so much data easily
13:26 mtompset             I know, kf. But outside of the workshop, a support nightmare has been created.
13:28 mtompset             (assuming they take the LiveCD with them)
13:28 oleonard             mtompset: You can ask that this disadvantage be pointed out, but you can't stop people from wanting to create LiveCDs
13:29 saa                  we burn these iso on CDROM and distribute during workshop
13:29 saa                  which is very helpful and handy for participants
13:30 saa                  can someone help to solve the above error
13:30 kf                   magnuse: why is it so hard to find a mail from you about gbsd? I wanted to steal shamelessly :)
13:30 mtompset             What error?
13:31 oleonard             posted above mtompset
13:31 saa                  koha zebrasrv gives error as "DBD::mysql:t execute failed: Table 'koha.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 124
13:31 oleonard             saa: That means your Koha database wasn't created properly
13:31 mtompset             Did you do the web installer steps?
13:32 magnuse              kf: cause i go out of my way to hide them? ;-)
13:33 mtompset             If you did the web installer steps, it should create all the tables necessary. And if it didn't then there is something wrong with your koha database.
13:34 saa                  but it didnt give any error while web installer is ran
13:34 magnuse              kf try googling for: koha-devel Global Bug Squashing Day
13:34 mtompset             Then your koha database's tables are messed up.
13:35 saa                  i just ran web installer step by step
13:35 saa                  what could go wrong
13:35 mtompset             Did you have tables in your koha database before you ran the web installer?
13:35 saa                  no
13:35 mtompset             Is your koha database called koha?
13:35 saa                  just blank koha database is created with providing permissions
13:36 saa                  yes koha database kohaadmin user
13:36 kf                   hm
13:36 mtompset             All the defaults...
13:36 kf                   when I write friday that's wrong - right
13:36 kf                   ?
13:36 kf                   because it's not friday everywhere?
13:36 mtompset             friday
13:36 kf                   or is it?
13:36 kf                   oh it is
13:36 mtompset             Friday?
13:36 wahanui              Friday is probably It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
13:36 kf                   i hate timezones
13:36 saa                  yes
13:37 saa                  DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_hashref failed: fetch() without execute() at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 125.
13:38 oleonard             kf: For reference, magnuse did state a day of the week in previous announcements even if it isn't entirely accurate for everyone
13:38 saa                  last line of zebraqueue log
13:38 magnuse              kf, oleonard: it is friday, wherever you happen to be, that's why it is effectively 48 hours, not 24
13:39 vfernandes           hi guys
13:39 oleonard             There you go kf. Thanks magnuse of course you're right
13:39 mtompset             blank db... ran webinstaller... no errors... zebraqueue error?
13:39 vfernandes           i'm having a little problem with one of mine Koha installation
13:39 magnuse              kf, oleonard: "The 24 hours of Friday September 14th 2012, in whatever time zone you are in." :-)
13:40 mtompset             "The 48 hours of Friday September 14th, 2012, of whatever time zone you wish." ;)
13:40 vfernandes           the overdue notices are not being sent to the user/patron... instead of that is being build a multipart on the database and are sent to root@localhost
13:41 mtompset             Sorry, saa... I can't see how that logically could happen.
13:42 saa                  ok
13:42 kf                   [off] http://paste.koha-community.org/165 < ok?
13:43 magnuse              kf: more than ok! :-)
13:43 oleonard             kf++
13:43 kf                   oleonard: I take your ++ that I didn't make any embarassing typos? :)
13:44 oleonard             Looks good to me kf
13:45 kf                   koha and koha-devel?
13:45 mtompset             The end time needs 5 more minutes. ;)
13:46 mtompset             Well... 4:59.999999 ;)
13:46 mtompset             But that's the wiki.
13:48 magnuse              kf: that's what i have usually done
13:48 kf                   it's done
13:48 vfernandes           no one can help me?
13:48 magnuse              kf++
13:49 kf                   yay
13:49 kf                   now I got the karma :)
13:49 kf                   @karma kf
13:49 huginn               kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 202 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 202.
13:49 oleonard             vfernandes: Do you have the  AutoEmailPrimaryAddress system preference set to something other than "first valid?"
13:50 mtompset             @karma mtompset
13:50 huginn               mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 20 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 19.
13:50 kf                   eek
13:50 mtompset             Wow, I suck.
13:50 magnuse              @karma cait
13:50 huginn               magnuse: Karma for "cait" has been increased 318 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 317.
13:50 kf                   almost edited the template
13:51 mtompset             @karma mbalmer
13:51 huginn               mtompset: Karma for "mbalmer" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9.
13:51 wajasu               vfernandes: i believe that when a patron does not have an email configured, the overdue notices are batched up and sent tot he syspref KohaAdminEmailAddress.  root@localhost is the default KohaAdminEmailAddress.  See if that patron has an email address configured.
13:51 mtompset             mbalmer++ # for making me feel better.
13:51 kf                   mtompset: I have been around for a while
13:51 wizzyrea             actually that address is configured in the sysprefs
13:51 magnuse              kf: the template is there to be edited, so we can improve it from one gbsd to the next :-)
13:51 wizzyrea             er sorry library definitions
13:51 wizzyrea             admin -> library and branches
13:51 Oak                  kf++
13:52 kf                   magnuse: I wanted to add a not about the bugs and dates in the rlelease newsletter
13:52 kf                   and I seem to not beig able to do it
13:52 kf                   help?
13:52 wahanui              help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help.
13:52 kf                   hm thx wahanui
13:52 wahanui              yw
13:52 magnuse              hm, click the edit tab on top of the page, not the links "inside" the page?
13:52 kf                   oooh
13:52 kf                   ok
13:52 wizzyrea             what are you trying to do
13:52 magnuse              first question?
13:52 wahanui              "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
13:53 kf                   wizzyrea: I am trying to add '''Deadlines for the 3.10 release and an (incomplete) list of bugs and patches that will be affected by that can be found in the [http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-10-2012-08/ monthly RM newsletter]!'''
13:53 kf                   as an additional note under the headline What
13:53 * mtompset           has a musical flashback, "Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help!" ;)
13:53 * kf                 gives up
13:54 wizzyrea             kf are you logged in?
13:54 Oak                  take a deep breath kf ans try again
13:54 oleonard             Whoa: http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl
13:54 kf                   I edited the template - magnuse will repair it maybe... :)
13:54 magnuse              kf: yeah, you can't put things inside the template text without changing the template. just put it above the template?
13:54 wizzyrea             wtf are you guys doing lol.
13:54 kf                   editing the wiki :)
13:55 wizzyrea             lol ok
13:55 magnuse              oleonard: yeah, there is some squashing to be done!
13:55 oleonard             magnuse: I'm surprised. It was as low as 62 last week I thought
13:56 mtompset             Wednesday Thursday Friday, wizzyrea? ;)
13:56 * Oak                will tell someone wizzyrea used the f word... :)
13:57 vfernandes           wajasu
13:57 vfernandes           thats correct
13:57 mtompset             Greetings, Oak.
13:57 Oak                  hello mtompset :)
13:57 vfernandes           i thought that koha look for the valid email (work or home) bu always tries to sent to the home email
14:04 wajasu               vfernandes: well, maybe a note in the documentation might be in order if it doesn't say so already.  there are many other notices, and supporting secondary or tertiary email addresses might be a lot to test.
14:06 wajasu               vfernandes: i only know about this because i worked on bug 8378 and hope it goes out for our future release
14:06 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
14:08 * magnuse            wanders off
14:09 kf                   hi paul_p
14:09 Oak                  wb paul_p
14:10 kf                   hi sophie_m :)
14:11 paul_p               (was not afk, it's just my SDSL that's still crazy...)
14:11 paul_p               (at a meeting)
14:27 oleonard             The "suspension in days" feature is what sets a date in the debarred field, correct?
14:29 kf                   hm I think you can also set it manually
14:29 kf                   but it should be that
14:30 jcamins              oleonard: I thought suspension in days was supposed to do that but didn't.
14:35 sophie_m             hi kf : we are regularly disconnected here :/
14:40 kf                   sophie_m: :(
14:53 tcohen               hi #koha, a question on 110$t
14:53 tcohen               is there a rule for when that the ocurrence of $t is valid?=
14:54 tcohen               indicators, presence of other subfield than $a, etc?
14:54 Barrc                another silly git question......is it the norm to clone the repo to a new working dir for each patch? That is, suppose I clone the repo - work on a small patch then want to move to another patch?
14:54 jcamins              No. Not at all.
14:55 jcamins              tcohen: $t should not be used on 1xx fields in MARC21.
14:55 jcamins              It can only be used in 6xx and 7xx.
14:55 oleonard             Barrc: Do you mean clone a new repo or create a new branch?
14:55 jcamins              Barrc: you create a new *branch* for each bug you want to test.
14:55 jcamins              git?
14:55 wahanui              git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
14:56 jcamins              ^^ that page explains branch creation, I think.
14:56 Barrc                oleonard: That's my query I suppose (I have looked at the wiki). Support I create a branch, then do some work. The files here are modified......
14:57 jcamins              Barrc: you commit your changed files to your branch. Then you have the commit saved, and can switch to a new branch to do something else.
14:57 tcohen               jcamins: found an example of its usage here http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd110.html
14:57 Barrc                So, when I switch to another branch, the modified files get reverted to the original ones?
14:57 oleonard             Barrc: If you type "git branch" does it list only "master" ?
14:57 jcamins              Barrc: no, you can't switch branches unless you commit your changes.
14:58 Barrc                oleonard: No, I have master and the branch I made to work on
14:58 jcamins              tcohen: that's odd. I was always told that $t couldn't be used in 1xx.
14:58 Barrc                I am finished with that now and would like to move on to something else!
14:58 oleonard             Barrc: That's good. You shouldn't commit your changes to your master branch
14:58 Barrc                I think I have!
14:58 Barrc                git log seems to show it
14:58 oleonard             Barrc: So commit your changes to your custom branch and create a new one based on master
14:58 oleonard             Oh, commits in master.
14:59 jcamins              This is why I don't have a master branch.
14:59 jcamins              It's impossible to inadvertantly commit to it.
15:00 oleonard             Barrc: Check out master, then create a new branch without specifying what it's based on.
15:00 oleonard             The new branch should have the changes you made to master.
15:00 oleonard             Then you can check out master again and "git reset --hard origin"
15:01 Barrc                ah - cool. So, the reset will get me back to the original files. Then in future, do you recommend not committing to master, is that the preferred method?
15:01 oleonard             Right, do not commit when you're in the master branch
15:01 oleonard             If you want to have a master branch you should keep it clean
15:02 oleonard             ...just like they told you in 6th grade. Zing!
15:03 Barrc                oleonard: thanks!
15:05 reiveune             bye
15:11 Barrc                One more question! If you don't commit to master how can you see the change on the dev install of Koha? If you know what I mean!?
15:12 oleonard             Barrc: Whatever branch is checked out is the branch your Koha installation is running off of
15:13 jcamins              Barrc: you check out the branch you want to use.
15:13 mtompset             Greetings, oleonard, jcamins, and tcohen.
15:13 tcohen               hi mtompset
15:24 bag                  good morning
15:29 Barrc                So, sorry for the struggle here....but - I preform a git clone. I now have a clone directory of the repository. Do I run a dev install off this?
15:29 mtompset             YES.
15:29 Barrc                or do I create a working branch first?
15:29 mtompset             well, branch first.
15:29 mtompset             Hmm... either?
15:29 wahanui              either is, like, fine
15:29 mtompset             Some one else?
15:30 wizzyrea             I don't think there's a "best practice" for that
15:30 wizzyrea             certainly if you are writing code, it's better to be on a branch.
15:30 wizzyrea             but if you just want to run koha off of a git clone
15:30 wizzyrea             I don't think you need a branch
15:31 * mtompset           nods.
15:31 mtompset             I'd go with that. :)
15:31 jcamins              Barrc: here's how I do it: git clone. Run through the install. Decide to develop things. Check out a new branch based on origin/master, and delete my master branch.
15:31 wizzyrea             ^^ I was about to type this exact thing
15:31 wizzyrea             though I usually leave my master alone.
15:31 mtompset             that way you don't get confused over "master". :)
15:31 jcamins              Right.
15:32 mtompset             Actually, for 3.6.x and 3.8.x, I did what jcamins said.
15:32 Barrc                jcamins: Excellent. So, say I do just that, and have a branch called "Bar".
15:32 jcamins              And I have a git shortcut for checking out current master: git com = git checkout origin/master
15:32 mtompset             Just so that I knew which one it was. ;)
15:32 wizzyrea             ^^ I do this too
15:40 drojf                kf: i would assume that those who are really interested in koha have specific questions for us later and the rest will just listen to that
15:40 drojf                no idea how many people will really be interested in koha though
15:40 wajasu               i set suggest on in admin, and i can type whatever, and always get no results.  though my arizona results are findable.  i'm grabbing lunch, will check in later to see if you have time.
15:40 kf                   if there are a few really interested peopel that's ok :)
15:41 drojf                yup. and if nobody cares we are close to the food :D
15:42 jcamins              wajasu: I won't have any time today, but if you put a note of what queries you're trying, and what authority records they should match, I'll see what I can see.
15:42 kf                   lol
15:43 jcamins              wajasu: oh, wait, you mean suggestions in the staff client? They weren't added yet.
15:43 wajasu               jcamins:  i just searched for "bacon" and i really only have the geonames in the db from testing 8211, so i got no results with no visible suggestions.  IN OPAC
15:43 jcamins              Ah, of course.
15:44 jcamins              You'll only get suggestions if you search for Arizona, Phoenix, United, or States.
15:44 * jcamins            should have specified "you should have multiple authority records" in the test plan.
15:45 jcamins              What I'd do is turn on "BiblioAddsAuthorities" and AutoCreateAuthorities, and catalog a bunch of things.
15:45 oleonard             wajasu++ # for testing
15:45 wajasu               searching for Arizona gave me all the results from the 8211 geoname heirarchy.   do i need to add more authority records with Arizona subject heading that aren't part of that heirarchy?
15:46 wajasu               ok. ill try adding some
15:46 oleonard             I think anyone who is tired of waiting for a signoff should lead a testing walkthrough on GBSD. Maybe even set up a schedule.
15:46 jcamins              oleonard: intriguing idea.
15:46 jcamins              wajasu: I tend to forget that most people don't have 40k+ authorities sitting around for testing purposes.
15:47 oleonard             Who has two thumbs and doesn't have 40k+ authorities sitting around for testing purposes?
15:47 oleonard             This guy.
15:47 mtompset             40k+ AUTHORITIES?!
15:47 wajasu               can i borrows your 40k+ for a moment? :)
15:48 wajasu               i don't have time to key them in.
15:48 jcamins              wajasu: Sure, but uploading might take a bit.
15:48 jcamins              wajasu: how about I give you 10k?
15:48 mtompset             Suddenly 428 authorities looks like piddly squat.
15:48 jcamins              Faster to upload.
15:49 jcamins              Actually, here's a smaller set.
15:49 jcamins              3500.
15:49 wajasu               nice.
15:50 jcamins              I don't know quite where I got this set from, but that's okay.
15:50 mtompset             Okay. Dumb library question... what is an authority? and how does that relate to a bibliographic record? Be easy. I'm not a librarian.
15:51 jcamins              I thought I had only 3500?
15:51 wizzyrea             dumb question?
15:51 wahanui              there are no dumb questions.
15:51 mtompset             Well, I'm showing my library ignorance.
15:51 mtompset             So I feel dumb.
15:51 wizzyrea             feeling dumb is different from being dumb. ;)
15:51 mtompset             thankfully!
15:51 jcamins              Wait. Way to misread.
15:52 jcamins              That's 350k
15:52 drojf                kf: as you are an IT law expert… wouldn't it be appropriate for my university library to tell me in the imprint that they are loading things from amazon, and maybe also what these things are? not to speak of the implication that if would be logged in to amazon they'd probably know all my searches too?
15:52 wizzyrea             feeling dumb?
15:52 wahanui              feeling dumb is different from being dumb. ;)
15:52 wizzyrea             yesssssss
15:54 wizzyrea             oo http://www.bowker.com/en-US/aboutus/press_room/2012/pr_09102012.shtml
15:55 * wizzyrea           likes these librarything people.
15:55 jcamins              Nifty.
15:55 kf                   drojf: yes
15:56 kf                   drojf: they would have to tell you and it should be opt in
15:56 kf                   or they would have to tell you before it's too late
15:56 kf                   that is what I was told... but it's not easy to do :(
15:56 jcamins              [off] wajasu: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3365544/10kauthorities.zip
15:56 drojf                kf: i have just seen it now, i don't know what it does. they tell me about "addthis" in the imprint, but not about amazon, bibtip and google
15:56 wajasu               got em
15:56 kf                   drojf: and I may be wrong too, because I am not really an expert, but we have been discussing that here
15:57 drojf                maybe it's really new. i think i'll try to write them a friendly email about it. when i feel friendlier about it ;)
15:58 jcamins              wajasu: I don't really know what authorities are in that, so you'll want to take a peek at your authority list to figure out what you might get suggestions on.
15:58 jcamins              (and note that none of the authorities will be linked, so following the suggestions won't return any results)
16:00 kf                   time to leave here :) bye all :)
16:01 jcamins              Also note that there are no crazy GND or otherwise German authorities in there.
16:01 kf                   :P
16:01 wajasu               for my understanding.  what triggers suggestions?  what would i need to add to get suggestions to popup.  just an authority with a subject heading with Arizona? (but not linked)
16:01 wajasu               search comes back with Konstanz over and over.
16:01 jcamins              wajasu: it depends which suggestion plugin you activated.
16:01 wajasu               just kidding :)
16:01 drojf                lol
16:02 * jcamins            wasn't amused.
16:02 * jcamins            was horrified. :P
16:02 kf                   lol
16:02 jcamins              (for those who don't know, I was battling a Konstanz authority record for four hours yesterday)
16:02 kf                   and it led to improvement :P
16:02 jcamins              It did.
16:03 drojf                so more konstanz, more improvement
16:03 drojf                ;)
16:03 kf                   yay
16:03 wajasu               which suggestion plugin. must if active a specific one?
16:03 jcamins              wajasu: you have to choose which one you're interested in using.
16:04 jcamins              In the "Did you mean?" configuration screen.
16:05 wajasu               does that popup? or is it an patron profileish thing?
16:05 jcamins              What do you mean?
16:05 jcamins              Go to the administration section.
16:05 wajasu               where is the did you mean config screen?
16:05 jcamins              At the end there's a "Did you mean?" configuration thing.
16:05 wajasu               i only det admin syspref.
16:06 jcamins              Oh, in that case the patch isn't applied.
16:06 jcamins              It sounds like you have 8209, but not 8723.
16:07 wajasu               8726
16:07 jcamins              Sorry.
16:07 * jcamins            was working on 8523 yesterday.
16:07 kf                   now really gone :)
16:07 wajasu               my git log shows 8726 applied.
16:08 jcamins              And you don't see Did you mean? at the end?
16:08 * jcamins            will post a screenshot.
16:08 jcamins              (that's fast)
16:08 wajasu               i found it
16:09 wajasu               i thought you only ment the syspref
16:09 wajasu               i can't spell today.
16:10 wajasu               its showing up now.
16:10 jcamins              Ah. No, sorry.
16:10 wajasu               its works YAY!!!!
16:10 jcamins              That config screen is the best part! :D
16:14 wajasu               I like it.  when i do related terms search my search text field has   su-rl=Arizona  instead of su-rl:Arizona    Are they equivalent?
16:14 jcamins              Yes. = is actually preferable to : with our current query parser.
16:21 jcamins              wajasu: with a new QueryParser we'll switch to : instead of =, but in my opinion it's better to have the most-functional behavior *now*, and it's easy to change later.
16:22 gaetan_B             bye
16:25 wajasu               can you describe what needs to be added to get a result from an authority file plugin (w/o 10Kauths) ?
16:25 wajasu               i like the drag and drop plugin order :)
16:26 jcamins              wajasu: yeah, it's easy. Just link an authority to a bib record. :)
16:27 jcamins              (then do a search for a term that appears in the authority, and it'll say 'Did you mean "Smith, John"' and when you click on Smith, John you'll get a list of books by/about him.
16:28 jcamins              For example, if you have an authority record for Puff Daddy, you could search for one of his other names, and follow a suggestion to get to his biography.
16:28 jcamins              (note: I don't know what his actual name is, just that it changed a lot)
16:28 jcamins              (I also don't know if anyone has written a biography of him)
16:29 jcamins              (also, I'm not 100% sure that I'm gendering Puff Daddy correctly, but it seems to me that "Daddy" implies masculine gender)
16:29 jcamins              (P.S. I think s/he's an a musician or actor)
16:30 wizzyrea             you got it right.  :)
16:32 wajasu               i thought if I searched for  "Arizona"   and click the authority file link, i might be able to get some other biblio linked. but i wondered if i link with some topical term, the general keyword search will it pick up.
16:34 jcamins              wajasu: this is most useful for names, really.
16:34 jcamins              Puff Daddy used to be P. Diddy. If you searched for "P Diddy" in the catalog, you probably wouldn't find his biography, because he's now "Puff Daddy."
16:34 jcamins              However, the suggestion plugin would suggest "Puff Daddy" from a search for "P Diddy."
16:35 wajasu               does he have a holographic manifestation available yet?
16:35 wizzyrea             that's tupac :P
16:35 wizzyrea             I think.
16:35 wajasu               right.
16:35 wizzyrea             didn't p diddy just change his name again?
16:35 jcamins              Hehe. I know that Tupac is a rapper.
16:36 jcamins              wizzyrea: I don't know. Probably is an unpronounceable symbol.
16:36 * wizzyrea           giggles
16:36 jcamins              That seems to be the way people are going these days.
16:36 wizzyrea             no… who was it that just changed their name to become a reggae artist….
16:37 wizzyrea             it was a rapper...
16:37 wizzyrea             OH
16:37 wizzyrea             i
16:37 wizzyrea             it was Snoop Dogg
16:37 wizzyrea             he is now Snoop Lion
16:37 wizzyrea             no, i'm totally not kidding
16:37 wizzyrea             an
16:37 wizzyrea             d I don't even follow this stuff really.
16:37 jcamins              Seriously?
16:37 wizzyrea             seriously
16:37 jcamins              I'm glad I wasn't taking a drink, because that did in fact make me laugh.
16:37 wizzyrea             :D
16:38 oleonard             Snoop should upgrade to Mountain Lion.
16:38 * wizzyrea           giggles
16:38 wizzyrea             all I googled was "changed name reggae"
16:39 wizzyrea             you would think there would be more than one of these, but every hit was "snoop dogg changes name to snoop lion"
16:39 jcamins              wizzyrea: probably because it's just so absurd.
16:39 wizzyrea             yes, it's utterly absurd.
16:39 tcohen               is it possible that Koha has problems retreiving CHRON_TERM authorities?
16:40 oleonard             Sorry tcohen we're only talking about rappers now
16:40 oleonard             ;)
16:40 jcamins              tcohen: probable, in fact.
16:40 wizzyrea             and Reggae artists :P
16:41 tcohen               You didn't read my question well, I actually asked if you have heard Cunninlynguists?
16:42 jcamins              lol
16:44 tcohen               If I was listening some old beastie boys tapes, and wanted to ask zebra for some CHRON_TERM using yaz, how would I do it?
16:44 jcamins              tcohen++ # awesome!
16:45 jcamins              @attr 1=Chronological-term "term"
16:45 huginn               jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes
16:46 jcamins              Alternatively, @and @attr 1=authtype "CHRON_TERM" @attr 1=Heading-Main "term"
16:47 jcamins              drojf: in a German library catalog, what would "[3] Bl." mean?
16:47 wajasu               i'm signing off on this 8726. after lunch.  superb work jcamins!!!   I'm going to bea able to create some nice heirarchies.
16:47 jcamins              Thanks!
16:47 wajasu               maybe the tag cloud stuff can use the subject heirarchies
16:48 jcamins              wajasu: oooh. That'd be very cool.
16:48 * jcamins            had never thought of that.
16:48 jcamins              wajasu++
16:48 drojf                jcamins: do you have a full example?
16:49 wajasu               i'd put it onthe front page.  it would describe our library.
16:49 jcamins              drojf: http://gso.gbv.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=647749068
16:50 drojf                wajasu: the tag cloud uses only one subfield at the moment AFAIR so that would need some tuning
16:50 jcamins              drojf: the tag cloud uses tags, so a script could easily be written to extract authority things.
16:51 drojf                jcamins: that might mean "Blatt" (sheets of paper)
16:51 wajasu               i also thought it might be cool that as you were cataloging a biblio, on the right side margin, possibly related authority records could appear using ajax.
16:52 jcamins              drojf: thanks!
16:52 drojf                jcamins: it seems to be some kind of advertisement
16:52 jcamins              wajasu: yeah, the cataloging module desperately needs an overhaul.
16:52 jcamins              drojf: yup. It's a prospectus. Pretty cool.
16:53 jcamins              If you're the type of person who likes prospecti.
16:53 * wajasu             lunch, then signoff
17:17 ala                  Hello #koha
17:18 ala_3vo              Hello #Koha
17:18 drojf                hello ala_3vo
17:19 ala_3vo              Hi there drojf
17:21 ala_3vo              I have just attended a Koha workshop conducted by USP and SPC yesterday. Good for a start in the Pacific
17:26 drojf                yeah for koha world domination ;)
17:27 * drojf              goes home to his 17000k light
17:27 cait                 oh, what did I miss?
17:27 jcamins              17000k light?
17:27 cait                 don't tell me you plotted out world domination witout me?
17:27 drojf                cait: (19:17:47) ala_3vo: I have just attended a Koha workshop conducted by USP and SPC yesterday. Good for a start in the Pacific
17:28 drojf                jcamins: lots of blue, makes me awake. getting dark here
17:28 cait                 yeah here too...
17:28 * cait               tries to find something for dinner
17:28 jcamins              drojf: I thought blue was to put you to sleep?
17:28 drojf                maybe i should hide one of the lamps in the library
17:29 drojf                jcamins: not really :)
17:34 Shane-S              Anyone know of an easy way to group patrons and do a barcode/name page of them. We are a school and would to group kids easily by primary teacher name. Right now I have to manually add them all into a batch per teacher
17:34 Shane-S              and I can't name the batch so I have to keep it written down like batch 4 is for Jane Doe's homeroom
17:35 jcamins              Shane-S: I might.
17:36 jcamins              I don't know how to do it using the barcode tool, but I've used reports to print out barcode sheets.
17:36 jcamins              Save it as a CSV, then change the font for the barcode column.
17:37 jcamins              That may or may not be in any way useful to you.
17:40 tcohen               jcamins, how do I connect to a local zebra server trough a socket? (it IS listening in a socket, right? which is it as default?)
17:41 jcamins              tcohen: it is listening through a socket, but yaz's documentation is wrong.
17:41 jcamins              Let me find it.
17:41 tcohen               authoritysocket
17:41 tcohen               /var/run/koha/zebradb
17:41 jcamins              yaz-client unix:///home/jcamins/koha-dev/var/run/zebradb/authoritysocket -c ~/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/ccl.properties
17:42 tcohen               thanks!
17:42 jcamins              (replacing the paths with ones appropriate for your installation, of course)
17:43 tcohen               hmmmmmmmmm
17:44 tcohen               Number of hits: 0
17:45 jcamins              Hm.
17:46 jcamins              Try the second search I suggested.
17:46 * jcamins            doesn't use CHRON_TERM (full disclosure)
17:46 tcohen               they're not being indexed I guess, or wrong index
17:47 jcamins              That was the reason for the secord search. :)
17:50 tcohen               both return 0 hits
17:51 jcamins              Okay, take out the @and @attr 1=authtype
17:52 tcohen               find @attr 1=Heading-Main "Na"
17:52 tcohen               Number of hits: 1
17:52 tcohen               find @and @attr 1=authtype "CHRON_TERM" @attr 1=Heading-Main "Na"
17:53 tcohen               Number of hits: 0
17:53 wajasu               rangi: i had to retest/SIGNOFF 8209 though it passed QA.  i can't change status to SIGNED-OFF from PASSED-QA.
17:55 jcamins              wajasu: right, it already passed QA.
17:55 jcamins              No need to sign off.
17:56 Shane-S              jcamins: alright, now I just need to get a barcode font on my librarian's system :P
17:57 tcohen               jcamins, what do I need to add to a query to get the actual results?
17:59 jcamins              tcohen: Let me check.
18:00 tcohen               show
18:00 jcamins              Yes. :)
18:01 tcohen               oops
18:01 tcohen               no 148 on record.abs
18:02 jcamins              Oh.
18:02 jcamins              That explains it.
18:02 jcamins              But you should be using DOM.
18:02 jcamins              koha-authority-indexdefs.xml
18:02 tcohen               i didn't because I was getting some weird error
18:02 tcohen               when indexing
18:02 tcohen               guess I'll have to give it a try
18:02 tcohen               (again)
18:02 jcamins              Ah. You're going to run into all sorts of trouble with authorities.
18:02 jcamins              (not using DOM)
18:03 jcamins              The error was with bibliographic records, yes?
18:03 mbalmer              dpavlin_ , ayt?
18:03 jcamins              The 148 probably isn't indexed with DOM either.
18:03 tcohen               we weren't able to search for chronological terms
18:03 jcamins              tcohen: yes, that's because you just determined it isn't indexed.
18:03 jcamins              I meant the weird error was with bibs indexed as DOM.
18:04 tcohen               yeah, I meant that this was the only problem we've got yet
18:04 tcohen               ohhh
18:04 tcohen               is there a path for migrating from GRS-1 to DOM?
18:05 jcamins              Run Makefile.PL with the --prev-install-log option.
18:06 tcohen               that will set everything to point koha to use dom
18:06 jcamins              tcohen: no,  you'll have to choose DOM.
18:07 tcohen               i remember changing in koha-conf.xml some entries to point to -dom files
18:07 jcamins              Oh, you could do that too.
18:08 tcohen               i'll follow your advise on a test install and try to reindex
18:08 tcohen               i remember an error on smth about Bib-1 not defined...
18:09 mtompset             Question... does libchi-perl not return a version number?
18:09 mtompset             How do I manually check?
18:10 mtompset             dpkg -l says I have it installed, but ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u says I have version 0*
18:13 mbalmer              PostgreSQL 9.2 was released today.
18:14 tcohen               is it worth a patch? (the addition of chronological terms indexing)
18:16 oleonard             This concludes the Postgres non-sequitor portion of our broadcast
18:19 tcohen               jcamins, it worked! (grs-1 chronological terms indexing
18:20 oleonard             Okay, relevant to Bug 7067: Is there any good reason the process_message_queue cron can't be run every minute?
18:20 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , allow patron self registration via the opac
18:27 jcamins              tcohen: yes, definitely worth a patch.
18:28 tcohen               148 appears to be indexed in DOM (according to authority-koha-indexdefs.xml)
18:28 gmcharlt             oleonard: I'd want a lockfile to make sure that multiple runs don't occur simultaneously, but other than that, no reason not to run it as frequently as once a minute
18:28 jcamins              tcohen: excellent!
18:29 oleonard             gmcharlt: Is the lockfile something that needs to be added by the patch?
18:30 gmcharlt             oleonard: yeah, I'd say so
18:30 gmcharlt             I'll add a comment to the bug
18:32 jcamins              cait: does "wie" in German mean something closer to "while," "because," or "how"?
18:37 tcohen               jcamins, done. Bug 8750
18:37 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Chronological terms authorities not correctly indexed
18:37 jcamins              tcohen++
18:42 * mtompset           dislikes libchi-perl.
18:43 jcamins              mtompset: you don't have to use it. It's optional.
18:43 mtompset             I determined I had to install Log::Any and Moose to get CHI to return a version number.
18:43 jcamins              mtompset: ew, and now you're going to have it loading Moose.
18:44 * jcamins            uses Moose-less CHI.
18:44 mtompset             Well, it wouldn't tell me a version number otherwise.
18:45 * jcamins            can think of worse things.
18:45 cait                 hi YoungPublicLibrarian
18:45 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone!
18:45 jcamins              Such as loading Moose when it's not necessary. ;)
18:45 mtompset             Yes, but if it doesn't tell me a version number, what else may break?
18:46 jcamins              mtompset: nothing.
18:46 jcamins              It's optional, and I developed it without installing Moose.
18:46 mtompset             You wrote CHI?
18:46 jcamins              No.
18:46 jcamins              I wrote Koha's drivers for it.
18:46 mtompset             Ah.
18:48 mtompset             I also had to install 4 other libraries after convincing CHI to return a version number to convince CHI::Driver::Memcached to return a version number.
18:50 * jcamins            refers to his above statement regarding Moose.
18:51 jcamins              Of course, if you're using Plack it's worth setting up Moose.
18:51 cait                 YoungPublicLibrarian: still around?
18:51 mtompset             Hash::MoreUtils, Carp::Assert, Data::UUID, Time::Duration::Parse
18:51 cait                 mtompset, jcamins: I think you scare people away :)
18:51 YoungPublicLibrarian Current problem: I am trying to create a report that will return results showing all of one particular libraries patrons who have fines with a total over a certain amount. I need the report to show each fine as well as the sum of the patron's fines. Anyone have any ideas?
18:52 mtompset             Sorry, cait. Sorry, YoungPublicLibrarian. :)
18:52 YoungPublicLibrarian No worries
18:52 jcamins              YoungPublicLibrarian: I have good news and bad news. The good news: you have a very good question. The bad news: I don't have an easy answer.
18:52 cait                 hmm
18:52 tcohen               jcamins, leaving now, thanks for your advise
18:52 cait                 I have done something similar for one of our libraries
18:52 cait                 give me a second to see if I can access the report
18:52 mtompset             Bye, tcohen
18:52 tcohen               (happy librarians @ UNC)
18:53 jcamins              Yay!
18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian I have a report already created, but for some reason it only shows some of each patron's fines, instead of all of the fines. I've been tryign to figure out why this would be, but have come to no conclusions yet...
18:55 cait                 http://paste.koha-community.org/166
18:55 cait                 that#s my report - maybe you can modify it
18:55 cait                 you could change the amount for example
18:55 wajasu               jcamins: 8743 sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm)
18:56 jcamins              bug 8743
18:56 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8743 critical, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , ZOOM error when merging authority change to biblios
18:56 jcamins              Oy.
18:56 jcamins              Lemme rebase.
18:56 wajasu               ok
18:56 jcamins              wtf did I do to my repo, though?
18:56 jcamins              wajasu: but wait, were you able to reproduce the bug?
18:57 jcamins              Rebased.
18:57 YoungPublicLibrarian cait: the problem with that report is that it gives each accounts total instead of the total and each fine for the accounts. I'm working on modifying the report to fit my needs, unfortunately my knowledge of SQL is pretty basic...
18:57 cait                 hm not sure I get what you want to do
18:58 jcamins              YoungPublicLibrarian: I'm not sure it's possible to do what you want, unfortunately.
18:58 wizzyrea             YoungPublicLibrarian: that sounds like two different reports
18:58 cait                 I agree with wizzyrea
18:58 cait                 I think
18:58 jcamins              That's how I did a similar thing.
18:58 cait                 if I understand it correctly :)
18:58 wizzyrea             you want to show each patron's outstanding fines, and the total fine for each patron
18:58 jcamins              You might be able to do a subquery, but it wouldn't be nice.
18:58 wajasu               i looked for the error you mentioned.  nothing in UI.  i saw "[warn] Missing attribute 'type' in attribute info" on stdout when i ran rebuild-zebra though. i also checked my biblio and the linked authority field had not changed.
18:59 wizzyrea             you can do both of those things, but not in the same report (at least not as I'm currently conceiving of it)
18:59 jcamins              wajasu: in that case you can't test the patch. It appears only for a very limited number of people.
18:59 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay. I can understand that. Then what I would like is a report that shows each patron's fines when the patron is from a particular library. Let me post the report I'm using
18:59 jcamins              wajasu: and it's pretty spectacular when it shows up.
18:59 wajasu               it a UI error?
19:00 jcamins              wajasu: you get a 500, an error in the log, and in certain circumstances your authority data is screwed up.
19:01 jcamins              It happens 100% of the time or 0% of the time on any given installation, and I can't see any commonalities.
19:01 wajasu               my biblio data wasn't updated.  i guess thats not enough.
19:01 pastebot             "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Fines and Fees by Branchcode" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/167
19:01 jcamins              No, it's a much more dramatic error.
19:01 jcamins              :/
19:02 wajasu               ok. i'll drop that one.
19:02 cait                 mbalmer: am Donnerstag
19:02 YoungPublicLibrarian That's the report I'm using now. But like I said, it only shows maybe 3 out of 5 individual fines for a patron, instead of all 5 fines and I can't figure out why...
19:03 mbalmer              cait, leckerli essen.. ? ;)
19:03 cait                 möglich
19:03 mbalmer              haha....
19:03 wahanui              haha is there already a branch for 3.6?
19:03 cait                 YoungPublicLibrarian: hm.
19:04 mbalmer              moeglich. das will ich dann mal sehen...
19:04 cait                 I see that I worked with subqueries in sums in my report, but I am not sure why right now :)
19:04 cait                 do you want to have a sum, or repeated lines for each fine?
19:05 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm putting the results into an Access database to format into a letter I can send to the patron about their fines. So I want each fine they have to print out on a seperate line.
19:06 cait                 hm
19:06 cait                 I think there could be several reasons
19:06 cait                 deleted record
19:06 YoungPublicLibrarian In the report however, I would like to be able to limit the results to only patrons who have a total of fines over a certain amount. If possible...
19:06 cait                 deleted item
19:06 cait                 or something else... right now I am not sue
19:06 cait                 you are pulling a lot of information together in that report
19:07 * mtompset           waves, "Okay, bye, #koha."
19:08 YoungPublicLibrarian Yeah, which is probably why its giving me problems...
19:08 cait                 I think to try and get to the error
19:08 cait                 i would go back and simplyfy it
19:08 cait                 like try to get the acounts bit right with the borrowernumber and other information
19:08 cait                 and then go step by step
19:08 cait                 form there
19:11 YoungPublicLibrarian Hm...I'm not actually sure what you mean. Like I said my knowledge of SQL, and programming in general, is pretty limited...If it wasn't for the reports library I wouldn't even have gotten this far...
19:12 jcamins              YoungPublicLibrarian: you'll be an expert before long. :)
19:13 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, yeah I've learned more about SQL and programing since we adopted Koha than I ever did in my college course I took on the subject!
19:13 cait                 :)
19:13 cait                 when you have use for the knowledge, that happens
19:13 cait                 :)
19:16 cait                 well.. I like stuff like that, might not be the same for everyone
19:17 cait                 the problem with helping you is that I don#t have a test base with good data I can access from here
19:17 cait                 and without checking what I do it's quite hard
19:20 tcohen               jcamins: bug 8209, searches in 4xx fields?
19:20 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
19:20 jcamins              tcohen: yes.
19:20 jcamins              So does bug 7417.
19:20 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
19:20 jcamins              Both have passed QA.
19:22 tcohen               i've just marked bug 5705 as duplicate of 8209
19:22 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5705 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, search 4XX fields in authorities and link to 1XX
19:24 YoungPublicLibrarian Sorry guys...I stepped away from the computer and someone closed my screen...
19:26 cait                 oh
19:26 cait                 I said that it's hard for me to help because I have no access to proper test data from home
19:26 cait                 so can't test
19:27 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah, I see. I can understand that. And its hard for me to test because the libraries in our consortium don't have the permissions to write, edit, and test reports...
19:31 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, well I'm heading to lunch now. But I will be back later today to ask some more specific questions about the report and what each part of it mean
19:33 cait                 enjoy your lunch
19:34 rangi                Morning
19:34 rangi                And why not let them write reports?
19:35 YoungPublicLibrarian Consortium politics...only the "real" IT personnel get permissions to write reports...which is a pain!
19:35 mbalmer              haha
19:35 YoungPublicLibrarian ok...I'm gone. Back soon! Thanks everyone!
19:36 cait                 good morning rangi )
19:41 rangi                Politics .... Is there anything they can't ruin?
19:42 gmcharlt             or a legitimate fear of 5-way Cartesian joins?
19:42 jcamins              lol
19:42 rangi                They'll only do that once
19:43 libsysguy            mmm cross products are the best gmcharlt
19:43 libsysguy            *disclaimer* best =~ best way to halt your database
19:44 gmcharlt             heh
19:44 rangi                I bet we could run explain first
19:45 libsysguy            I read an interesting article yesterday http://kev.inburke.com/kevin/reddits-database-has-two-tables/
19:45 gmcharlt             rangi: that would be better than nothing, though couldn't be definitive
19:45 rangi                And say this is going to try to return millions of rows
19:45 rangi                Yep
19:46 rangi                Personally in my experience I trust IT ppl less than librarians
19:46 rangi                I'd reverse the permissions :-)
19:49 wizzyrea             hah
19:51 rangi                @wunder nzwn
19:51 huginn               rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
19:51 cait                 @wunder Konstanz
19:51 huginn               cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:45 PM CEST on September 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
19:51 rangi                I see no clouds but it is crisp
19:52 cait                 today was nice - sunny and warm
19:52 cait                 seems the weather here has finally forgiven robin for leaving
19:52 rangi                Hehe
19:52 rambutan             It's interesting to watch the QGIS people going through the same process, setting up tests, that Koha is at the same time. Strange correspondence
19:52 rangi                He's in den haag now
19:53 cait                 ah
19:53 cait                 I was wondering
19:53 jcamins              rambutan: I like QGIS.
19:53 jcamins              My computer does not.
19:53 cait                 so on vacation now?
19:53 rambutan             So jcamins, why does your computer not like QGIS?
19:54 jcamins              rambutan: I think something to do with the amount of data contained in a map of Saint Petersburg.
19:54 rangi                Semi vacation
19:55 jcamins              It goes urrrrrrrrkkkkkkk and the cursor starts jumping.
19:55 jcamins              :)
19:55 rambutan             ah. ic. yea, that's a problem.
19:58 cait                 jcamins: tell me to continue testing :)
19:58 jcamins              cait: continue testing.
19:58 jcamins              You're close to done on bug 8523.
19:58 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
19:59 cait                 you have to work on your serious face
20:04 rangi                Bbiab
20:13 kathryn              morning all :)
20:14 cait                 morning kathryn
20:14 kathryn              hiya cait!
20:17 cait                 :)
20:23 rangi                back
20:44 rangi                oh bug squash day on friday
20:48 cait                 yep
20:48 cait                 and I have a long train ride on friday in a nice train with power supply
20:49 rangi                excellent
20:54 rambutan             cait: are you going to the QGIS conference in Kassel? http://qgis.org/en/user-meetings/kassel-092012.html
21:16 bag                  oh nice bug squashing day coming :)
22:07 wajasu               i can't believe i finally got bug 8215 tested
22:07 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add Course Reserves
22:07 bag                  nice wajasu
22:07 wajasu               khall: congrats!!!
22:07 wajasu               @later tell khall Congrats!!! on 8215
22:07 huginn               wajasu: The operation succeeded.
22:09 wajasu               bag: let me know if you have any specific bugs you really need tested and i'll try to work it.
22:10 bag                  ah I'm currently helping melia try and test some bugs from the needs_signoff
22:10 bag                  so nothing at the moment :)
22:10 wajasu               ok.
22:11 * wajasu             on break
22:21 jcamins_away         OCLC's numbering scheme has once again proven to be too short-sighted.
22:22 rangi                run out of digits?
22:22 jcamins_away         Yup.
22:22 jcamins_away         Again.
22:22 rangi                eggs
22:22 jcamins_away         After, what, two years?
22:22 wajasu               13 not enough
22:23 jcamins_away         wajasu: 9.
22:23 jcamins_away         9 wasn't enough.
22:23 wajasu               we should use ipv6 addresses
22:23 jcamins              Now they finally realized that they can't keep on zero-padding their numbers.
22:24 rangi                heh
22:25 * jcamins            is now entirely vindicated in his argument that GRS-1 needs to be gone in a year.
22:26 jcamins              Matching on OCLC numbers will break again.
22:28 rangi                right
22:37 jcamins              [off] The newest service to hit the big apple: http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-zipcarp-service-offers-shortterm-carp-rentals,29494/
22:38 rangi                heh
22:39 wajasu               wow! that was quick. got mine already.
22:39 jcamins              lol
22:41 rangi                now you can waste some money on a .kiwi.nz domain
22:42 jcamins              .kiwi.nz?
22:42 jcamins              Someone's selling subdomains and making money?
22:42 rangi                no thats a 2ld
22:42 rangi                just came into being
22:43 rangi                http://dnc.org.nz/
22:43 rangi                check the drop down, those are the domains you can get in .nz
22:43 * jcamins            scratches his head.
22:43 jcamins              Why?
22:43 jcamins              I don't expect you to know the answer, of course.
22:44 jcamins              Just... why?
22:44 jcamins              Doesn't .nz pretty much communicate "kiwi"? :P
22:44 ibeardslee           yeah .. the cynic in me agrees with that
22:44 ibeardslee           it's pretty much going .nz.nz
22:44 rangi                yep
22:44 rangi                its money
22:44 rangi                why do businesses do anything :)
22:45 * jcamins            suggests banana.kiwi.nz as a good domain name.
22:45 jcamins              Then you can name your servers after fruits.
22:45 ibeardslee           chocolate.kiwi.nz
22:45 jcamins              strawberry.banana.kiwi.nz.
22:45 rangi                heh
22:45 jcamins              It's for a New Zealand-themed smoothie company. :)
23:00 rangi                melia++ #sign offs
23:00 melia                aaww thanks :) bag helped me
23:00 bag                  ;)
23:02 jcamins              rangi: do I recall that Catalyst was going to be doing some work on call slip functionality?
23:03 jcamins              Let me rephrase that.
23:03 jcamins              Do I remember *correctly* that Catalyst is going to be doing some work on call slips?
23:03 rangi                i dont think so
23:04 rangi                at least i don't recall
23:04 jcamins              Oh well.
23:04 jcamins              You should. :)
23:06 rangi                hehe
23:06 idreambooks          hi guys...idreambooks guy here. i submitted a bug report as you guys suggested: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8733
23:06 huginn               04Bug 8733: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Adding critic reviews to book pages
23:06 rangi                yep saw that thanks
23:06 idreambooks          we have a way to retrieve the readometer based on ISBN numbers now!
23:07 rangi                excellent
23:07 idreambooks          i was thinking we could dedicate resources for this implementation but would need help from you guys
23:08 idreambooks          how long would it take for the changes to get approved after the patch has been sent?
23:09 rangi                there is no set time
23:10 rangi                http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/08/14/how-does-a-patch-marked-enhancement-take-to-get-into-master/
23:11 rangi                hmm i bet i can do something with that api right now
23:11 rangi                2 secs
23:11 idreambooks          "The average is 32.6686." is this days...33 days
23:11 rangi                yep
23:11 rangi                but averages are misleading
23:12 rangi                median is the important number
23:12 idreambooks          ah
23:12 rangi                does it work with 10 digit isbn, or just 13 ones?
23:12 jcamins              Also, something to keep in mind: that includes bugs and enhancements that may be used by only one library in the world, and therefore very hard to check.
23:12 jcamins              And you have two factors in your favor:
23:13 jcamins              1) idreambooks.com is very shiny, and shiny things are always a favorite for testing
23:13 jcamins              2) many of the people who do testing will test patches by new developers before testing other patches
23:16 idreambooks          it is 13 ones i think...
23:16 rangi                cool
23:16 idreambooks          u need 10 ones too?
23:17 bag                  alright all - catch you later tonight - dinner date is calling
23:17 rangi                naw, we can convert them
23:17 idreambooks          jcamins: graeat! good to hear
23:17 idreambooks          one thing i wanted to ask you guys....http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/NorthAmerica
23:17 idreambooks          according to that there are 40 odd libararies that have websites that use koha
23:18 idreambooks          once the patch is pushed to master, do these library systems get updated too?
23:21 rangi                when they decide to upgrade yes
23:22 idreambooks          oh i c....any idea how often they upgdare typically?
23:23 rangi                nope no idea at all (40 odd is way less than actuality, there are at least 600 in the US alone)
23:25 idreambooks          oh really...i went off the number in wikipedia that had web based systems. do all these 600 have web based systems?
23:26 rangi                koha is web based
23:26 rangi                you cant really run it any other way
23:26 rangi                do you mean that have public facing sites?
23:27 idreambooks          yeah...thats what i meant
23:27 idreambooks          'cos some of the ones listed dont have websites i can see
23:27 idreambooks          also some library catalogues are not up to date :|
23:28 jcamins              idreambooks: yes, libraries can update as frequently or infrequently as they want.
23:28 jcamins              And there's no way of knowing how many libraries make their Koha OPAC public.
23:31 jcamins              Hundreds in the US, certainly.
23:31 jcamins              melia: do you know off the top of your head how many hundred libraries ByWater supports in the US?
23:33 jcamins              idreambooks: suffice it to say, it's a large number. Well upward of 100 libraries in the US. Probably in excess of 200. I don't know if it's closer to 200, 300, or 400 though.
23:33 melia                hhhmm. I'd say about 125 different libraries, but some of those are consortiums that have 40+ libraries each...
23:34 idreambooks          jcamins: ic...over a 100 libraries are public facing....probably more than 200
23:34 jcamins              idreambooks: right.
23:35 idreambooks          the "Amazon Reviews" section seem to be blank in most public facing libraries. not sure if it is because amazon is not sending reviews back or a bug
23:36 jcamins              idreambooks: Amazon provides reviews for a very small percentage of books.
23:36 jcamins              idreambooks: I just counted the number of libraries in one consortium that I happen to know is using Koha. They have 78.
23:37 idreambooks          jcamins: cool. you guys are massive. are you the largest in the world or something?
23:37 jcamins              Not me.
23:37 jcamins              I don't work for ByWater.
23:37 jcamins              melia does.
23:38 jcamins              Only one of the collecions I work with has a public catalog.
23:38 rangi                hmm you do understand Koha is an open source project eh? So a big community of developers and libraries and companies
23:38 idreambooks          oh i meant koha being the larget ILS
23:38 rangi                no
23:38 rangi                far from it
23:39 rangi                but its growing all the time
23:40 ibeardslee           it is the most awesome though
23:40 idreambooks          yup...koha is open source maintained by core contributors like yourselves. i figured you guys were all volunteers (that like to contribute) or work for a library system...
23:42 jcamins              idreambooks: we don't really have a "core contributor" concept quite the same as, say, the Linux kernel does.
23:43 melia                sorry, I'm only half listening. there are several hundred libraries in the US using Koha, some of which are supported by ByWater (a support company).  there are many other libraries throughout the world using Koha, some of which use different support companies. the Koha community is made up of a bunch of developers who might work for one of the many different support companies, or might just volunteer to work on Koha out of the goodness
23:43 melia                their generous hearts.
23:43 jcamins              There is an elected release team, but other than that developers come and go as they find the need to fix bugs/add features/kill time/whatever.
23:45 jcamins              (so once your patch adding support for the idreambooks.com API to Koha, you'll be a Koha developer too:)
23:45 idreambooks          ah ic...yeah i am just curious how it all works :)
23:45 idreambooks          that's awesome!
23:45 jcamins              Incidentally, libwebcats (http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/index.pl) says there are more than 24k libraries in the US, and it is by no means comprehensive.
23:47 idreambooks          wow...that's a lot of libraries. they all probably have electronic records too
23:48 jcamins              That's all sorts of libraries, of course. Not just public libraries.
23:53 idreambooks          i am somewhat technical (i can code but not a pro). another member of our team is super technical and im trying to get him to show koha some love