Time Nick Message 00:04 jcamins Excellent! 00:04 jcamins Skinning almonds: even worse than writing unit tests 00:23 wajasu Whew! done. 00:23 wajasu jcamins++ 00:32 wajasu jcamins_away: 8209 is passwd QA, so i expect its on master, so i can try 8726 now 00:33 wajasu i'm taking a break first. 00:34 wajasu i notice if i do a search "1000" in OPAC, that "1,000 Things to love in America" doesn't give results. Not that it should, but if you have a comma '1,000' it does find it. Just sayin. 00:58 mtj hi #koha 00:59 rangi try switching fuzzy searching on wajasu 00:59 mtj i was curious about the perl/ipv6 topic before... 01:00 mtj this looks promising -> http://www.perl.org/about/whitepapers/perl-ipv6.html 01:00 mtj … so, fixed(ish) on perl-5.14? 01:01 rangi its bogus 01:01 mtj 'Perl 5.14 ships with a complete set of IPv6-related functions in the Socket module.' 01:01 rangi its supported it for years in bunches of modules 01:01 rangi now its core 01:02 mtj aaah, ok - thats good to know :) 01:02 rangi i wouldnt worry about it it was a hastitly thought up excuse to explain an already decided behaviour 01:02 rangi don't feed the trolls :) 01:02 mtj amen to that... 01:02 mtj and, also…. -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/d.html 01:04 mtj and nicole's koha manual too -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/index.html 01:04 rangi ohh so pretty! 01:04 rangi nice :) 01:04 rangi just missing the chapters? 01:05 rangi very nice tho 01:05 mtj hmm, the TOC is built into the 'pages' dropdown... 01:06 rangi ahhh 01:06 mtj not sure about the chapters stuff… (i did it laaate last nite) 01:06 mtj … and didnt check anything 01:09 jcamins_away wajasu: you may need to resolve conflicts in sysprefs.sql and updatedatabase, but they should be pretty easy. 01:11 mtj they great news about my 'koha-docs' stuff, is that its all automated/scripted 01:13 rangi yay! 01:13 mtj so, from that -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian ... 01:13 mtj … to this -> http://pub.kohaaloha.com/kohadocs-sphinx/d.html 01:13 mtj all automagicical 02:12 wajasu i tried barb, to, love, amer and 1st 6 numbers of isbn and it found the book ...1000 things to love about America. Is that the fuzzy serach? 02:14 mtj sounds fuzzy to me :) 02:15 rangi wajasu: check the sysprefs 02:15 rangi it will tell you if its on or not 02:16 wajasu sysprefs have QueryFuzzy = Try! 02:17 wajasu i'm going to try to test 8726 now 02:26 wajasu jcamins_away: it tried to apply 8276 but => fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (Koha/SuggestionEngine.pm 02:27 rangi check what it depends on 02:27 rangi you probably need to apply that/them first 02:28 wajasu 8209 is passed QA so its on master, correct? 02:29 rangi nope 02:29 rangi its passed qa 02:29 wajasu ok. then 02:29 wajasu i'll try it. 02:30 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 02:33 wajasu reconciling updatabase and sysprefs sql 02:33 wajasu for 8209 03:11 wajasu after all the dependsOn: fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (installer/data/mysql/sysprefs.sql 03:12 wajasu the patch file mentions jquery ui datepicker version upgrades 03:14 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "after applying all dependOn is get" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/164 03:16 wajasu maybe i need 8143 03:19 wajasu no its in my git log already 03:26 rangi well if you ahve tried all the depends, then its a patch does not apply 03:39 wajasu jcamins was rebasing and reposting patches for me all afternoon for 8211 so its probably the same deal. tommorrow then. 03:39 wajasu thx 03:41 wajasu i'll probably get 8726 done in my morning. do you have any specific patches i should persue tomorrow? 04:36 Oak Guten morgen miss cait 04:38 cait Salaam Oak 04:54 Oak :) 05:14 Oak magnuse 05:14 Oak kia ora #koha 05:47 rangi Mtj I think you meant passed qa not pushed for qa? 05:48 mtj oops, fixed :) 06:04 cait mtj++ 06:05 cait pretty manual and installation documentation :) 06:10 magnuse Oak 06:13 cait hi magnuse 06:14 magnuse hiya cait 06:14 magnuse yeah, mtj++ 06:41 cait work time bbl 06:44 alex_a bonjour #koha 06:47 reiveune hello 06:50 matts hi ! 07:06 gaetan_B hello 07:24 drojf good morning #koha 07:38 magnuse hiya drojf et al 07:38 drojf hei magnuse 07:39 magnuse :-) 07:42 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 07:58 jcamins_away wajasu: rebased bug 8209 and bug 8726. 07:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities 07:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms 08:00 mtompset jcamins_away?! What timezone are you? I wouldn't have expected you for another couple hours. 08:01 jcamins mtompset: EST. 08:01 jcamins It's 4am. 08:01 jcamins My wife had a 6:15 calltime two hours away. 08:02 jcamins I spent the last two hours telling myself that I was going to fall back asleep, but eventually I had to just give up. 08:02 mtompset Ah, okay. 08:02 mtompset Might as well be productive, right? 08:03 jcamins Exactly. 08:03 jcamins Rebase all the things! 08:08 * mtompset chants, "Rebase! Rebase! Rebased!" 08:09 mtompset jcamins? 08:09 wahanui jcamins is, like, A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins or a very naughty wahanui teacher 08:09 * mtompset laughs, "Nice addition." 08:09 kf lol 08:09 kf how did that happen? 08:10 mtompset Wasn't me, thankfully. 08:10 jcamins lol 08:11 mtompset Hi, kf. 08:12 kf hi mtompset, wahanui and jcamins 08:14 mtompset mtj is the Mason James that wanted to be "Installation Documentation Manager" on the list, right? 08:15 jcamins Speaking of mtj... mtj, wouldn't you like to QA 8649? :) 08:19 mtompset bug 8649? 08:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8649 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , C4::Search needs a unit test 08:24 mtompset What do you think of bug 8742, jcamins? :) 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8742 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL 08:26 jcamins We should probably change the example to not be list a hardcoded perl version. 08:36 jcamins kf: fixed the tree opening. 08:41 kf jcamins++ 08:44 rangi paul_p: did you try the tests? they fail before the patch and pass after, and that error you are getting is not the one that was being caused 08:45 mtompset I put a patch to try to find a reasonable perl version. 08:45 jcamins paul_p: that sounds like a different error, possibly not related to bug 8089. 08:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Use Koha::Cache everywhere 08:46 jcamins Jinx! 08:46 rangi heh 08:51 rangi i just tested on master 08:52 rangi before the patch, i cant edit a borrower 08:52 * jcamins did too. 08:52 rangi after the patch i can 08:52 jcamins Ditto. 08:52 rangi so im not sure where that other error is coming from 08:54 mtompset Oh the joys of bug hunting. :) 08:54 * mtompset cheers rangi and jcamins on. :) 08:55 rangi we're done, can't recreate, sounds like a local issue 10:02 mtompset Hmmm... I just had a weird thought. 10:02 mtompset What if someone creates two repository lists to the same repository? 10:03 mtompset Should work still, right? 10:04 jcamins Of course. 10:04 jcamins That's how I have my RMaint repo set up. 10:05 jcamins One for pushing, one for fetching. 10:07 kf rangi, jcamins: why not comment on the bug? 10:08 jcamins kf: rangi did. 10:08 kf ahcool 10:35 jcamins Wow. Bug 8300 was a challenge. 10:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha should have mechanized testing suite 12:11 nengard morning #koha 12:11 nengard you're all featured on opensource.com today :) http://opensource.com/life/12/9/should-we-develop-open-source-openly 12:11 kf hi nengard 12:13 nengard hiya 12:14 mtompset Greetings, nengard. 12:20 drojf ctrl+f "freedom" on http://opensource.org/osd.html … "not found" … 12:22 nengard agreed 12:22 nengard but that's my point 12:22 nengard it's not about the letter of the law (or license) it's about what we believe, feel, etc 12:27 kf magnuse: around? 12:27 magnuse um, yup 12:27 kf could you create a wiki page for the gbsd this friday? 12:27 kf I can edit it, but I am stupid when it comes to adding new pages with mediawiki 12:28 magnuse hehe, will do 12:30 drojf nengard: that may work on a "per project" basis. we as the koha community do things in a certain way and some of us call it "open source". personally my associations with the term "open source" are very much in the direction of the roy-tennant-quote and there is nobody preventing companies from labelling their projects "open source" that have this kind of philosophy. "free software" in the fsf/gpl meaning seems more explicit to me. 12:30 magnuse kf: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:30 magnuse next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:30 magnuse next gbsd? 12:30 wahanui next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:31 magnuse wahanui: forget next gbsd 12:31 wahanui magnuse: I forgot next gbsd 12:31 magnuse next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:31 magnuse next gbsd? 12:31 wahanui next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-09-14_Global_bug_squashing_day 12:31 magnuse yay 12:31 kf thx :) 12:31 kf it's on my list for today to send that mail :) 12:31 magnuse yay! 12:31 * magnuse had forgotten... 12:31 kf h 12:31 kf m 12:31 kf I was thinkign aobut adding a link to paul's list of patches in the newsletter 12:32 kf and mention the deadlines 12:32 kf thatok for you? 12:32 nengard drojf and I understand that and so do those here in this room - but the average librarian or average computer user doesn't understand why there are different definitions - as an educator I want people to understand that choosing Koha means choosing community, means choosing freedom, means all that free software is defined as, even though we call it the 'open source' ils 12:32 magnuse excellent, kf! 12:32 kf magnuse: wait until it's done 12:32 kf have to update some documentation first 12:32 magnuse kf: that's why i didn't ++ you yet ;-) 12:33 kf wise :) 12:35 kf grr. outlook forgot my settings, for like the thenth time 12:35 kf tnis is not funny 12:35 magnuse :-( 12:38 samuel hi everybody 12:40 samuel could someone tell me what is the best way to insert items in kohar? All my recors have been added but i 've ton insert and link records with items. I've a text file with all my items but i've some problems ton convert it in marc file. 12:40 kf hi samuel 12:40 drojf nengard: according to search engines, we call it "free and open source software", while the fork calls it "open source". 12:41 kf the easiest way is to add it using the import scripts in 952 fields. 12:41 kf I think you could also fill the items table directly, but the hard part is to get the right biblionumbers for your records. And you will have to do a full reindex. Or you can write a perl script using the API for adding items. 12:42 samuel with bulkmarcimport? In france, it's in 995 fields 12:43 kf oh sorry, that's right 12:43 kf for UNIMARC it's 995 12:43 kf yes, you can use staged or bulkmarcimport - but you need marc for that 12:44 samuel yes and that's where i have some problems with marcedit to do a marc file. 12:48 kf samuel: not sure how to help you here :( 12:48 oleonard Hi #koha 12:48 samuel dont' worry, i'm looking for.Our ils make me crazy :-) 12:49 kf what are you currently using? 12:50 nengard drojf this is a longer conversation then one I can have by typing it all out :) and it's monday morning and my brain isn't working - suffice it to say that librarians and most general computers users don't make the distinction between free and open source - they lump it together (right or wrong - that's what they do) 12:50 samuel kf:marcedit 12:51 kf ah, I meant as an ILS :) 12:52 drojf nengard: i agree we should not discuss this in detail now, i have a paper to work on :) 12:52 oleonard nengard: As more and more "open source" projects appear on the radar of those librarians, I think it behooves us to start educating about the distinction. Just as we had to educate about the difference between "free" and "open source" 12:53 kf oleonard++ 12:53 samuel KF:Our ILS is an old french ILS. In fact, it's not really an ILS, at the beginning, its 's an ECM. It's very very very old and , no good solutions to export 12:53 kf yes, I think we should use the correct terms 12:53 nengard oleonard, what distinction are you talking about? - i do educate people about what free software is versus open source software 12:53 kf still have to learn a lot myself - trying to get it right 12:55 oleonard nengard: I mean exactly the distinction you talk about in your blog post and article: The difference between open in name only and open in spirit. 12:55 nengard :) oh! 12:55 nengard see - it's monday morning and my brain isn't working right yet 12:55 nengard hence the reason i can't have a deep discussion :) 12:55 oleonard I believe that's what drojf is getting at about adding the "freedom" to the "open source" 12:58 nengard oh! 12:59 nengard got it! 12:59 nengard now - a question - what tutorial videos do we need?? :) 12:59 nengard I'm out of ideas 13:00 nengard is there an easy way to find a vendor using their ID number? 13:01 nengard one library wanted a video on how to find out the vendor name using the ID number that's being put in the item record during acquisitions 13:01 kf hm 13:01 kf I think you can't do that easily right now 13:01 jcamins nengard: I think you have to enter it into the URL, but I could be mistaken. 13:01 kf amybe a custom report 13:01 kf yeah or manipulate the url 13:01 nengard that's what i was worried about 13:02 nengard not sure i want to do a video on how to change the URL 13:02 kf I think you could probably use jQuery to create a link... 13:02 kf on the page 13:02 nengard and a report in a video isn't copy-able 13:02 nengard kf ? ooooooo 13:02 nengard i like that idea 13:02 nengard i did report bug 8676 13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8676 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , show vendor name in source of acquisition 13:02 kf I mean it should be possible to get the number shown and place a link somewhere near to it - but have no time to work that out right now :( 13:03 kf nengard: I think the problem with that is, that a pull down will not work 13:03 nengard that's okay 13:03 kf We have a special library with several hundreds of vendors 13:03 nengard yeah, 13:03 nengard and so do a lot of libraries 13:03 kf what we would need is show the name - read only maybe 13:03 oleonard nengard: Did you see my request for a screenshot on that bug? 13:03 kf or a new feature 13:03 nengard but jquery might be the way to go 13:03 kf like make the field use a autocomplete thingy 13:03 nengard oleonard, i did not, adding one now 13:04 kf or a search button to search for the vendor like we do in serials 13:06 nengard OOOOO -I got it 13:06 nengard I know how to show people to do this 13:06 mtompset Does anyone know how to DELETE a wiki page? 13:06 nengard I'll be back with a link for you all 13:06 nengard i think that's a special permission 13:07 mtompset Even if I created the page? 13:08 oleonard mtompset: Don't you simply empty the contents of the page? 13:08 * oleonard vaguely recalls? 13:08 mtompset I tried that. 13:08 mtompset The page still exists. 13:09 oleonard Exists as an empty page? 13:09 mtompset yes. 13:09 oleonard Try the help. 13:09 mtompset where is that? 13:09 wahanui i heard that was pulled from the fields 13:10 mtompset wahanui forget that 13:10 wahanui mtompset: I forgot that 13:10 oleonard mtompset: Left-hand sidebar? 13:10 mtompset Ah, normal users can't do it. 13:11 mtompset Well, I figure our fearless "Installation Documentation Manager" (mtj) will fix it whenever. :) 13:13 mtompset mtj++ # for verbalizing and volunteering regarding such a position. :) 13:19 nengard kf, jcamins: http://blip.tv/bywater-solutions-tv/finding-source-of-acquisition-for-items-in-koha-3-8-6345112 13:19 nengard and oleonard 13:19 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 13:19 nengard hehe 13:20 wajasu jcamins_away: will try 8209 and 8726 13:20 saa i have been getting no results in OPAC even cron job is set in 3.8.3 koha zebrasrv gives error as "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 124." 13:20 gmcharlt @quote random 13:20 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009) 13:20 saa can someone help 13:21 saa i am preparing livecd for koha with new version of koha 13:23 mtompset Sorry, saa, but a livecd is not recommended. 13:23 mtompset By the time you finish burning it, and passing it around, the next version will already be released. 13:23 saa we knw but still it is useful 13:24 saa for workshops on koha 13:25 saa and where people are nt aware about installation or cannot handle installation 13:25 mtompset Yes, but then those people will take the livecd with them, and cascade the problem. 13:25 kf mtompset: there are places where people can't download so much data easily 13:26 mtompset I know, kf. But outside of the workshop, a support nightmare has been created. 13:28 mtompset (assuming they take the LiveCD with them) 13:28 oleonard mtompset: You can ask that this disadvantage be pointed out, but you can't stop people from wanting to create LiveCDs 13:29 saa we burn these iso on CDROM and distribute during workshop 13:29 saa which is very helpful and handy for participants 13:30 saa can someone help to solve the above error 13:30 kf magnuse: why is it so hard to find a mail from you about gbsd? I wanted to steal shamelessly :) 13:30 mtompset What error? 13:31 oleonard posted above mtompset 13:31 saa koha zebrasrv gives error as "DBD::mysql:t execute failed: Table 'koha.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 124 13:31 oleonard saa: That means your Koha database wasn't created properly 13:31 mtompset Did you do the web installer steps? 13:32 magnuse kf: cause i go out of my way to hide them? ;-) 13:33 mtompset If you did the web installer steps, it should create all the tables necessary. And if it didn't then there is something wrong with your koha database. 13:34 saa but it didnt give any error while web installer is ran 13:34 magnuse kf try googling for: koha-devel Global Bug Squashing Day 13:34 mtompset Then your koha database's tables are messed up. 13:35 saa i just ran web installer step by step 13:35 saa what could go wrong 13:35 mtompset Did you have tables in your koha database before you ran the web installer? 13:35 saa no 13:35 mtompset Is your koha database called koha? 13:35 saa just blank koha database is created with providing permissions 13:36 saa yes koha database kohaadmin user 13:36 kf hm 13:36 mtompset All the defaults... 13:36 kf when I write friday that's wrong - right 13:36 kf ? 13:36 kf because it's not friday everywhere? 13:36 mtompset friday 13:36 kf or is it? 13:36 kf oh it is 13:36 mtompset Friday? 13:36 wahanui Friday is probably It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday 13:36 kf i hate timezones 13:36 saa yes 13:37 saa DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_hashref failed: fetch() without execute() at /home/koha/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl line 125. 13:38 oleonard kf: For reference, magnuse did state a day of the week in previous announcements even if it isn't entirely accurate for everyone 13:38 saa last line of zebraqueue log 13:38 magnuse kf, oleonard: it is friday, wherever you happen to be, that's why it is effectively 48 hours, not 24 13:39 vfernandes hi guys 13:39 oleonard There you go kf. Thanks magnuse of course you're right 13:39 mtompset blank db... ran webinstaller... no errors... zebraqueue error? 13:39 vfernandes i'm having a little problem with one of mine Koha installation 13:39 magnuse kf, oleonard: "The 24 hours of Friday September 14th 2012, in whatever time zone you are in." :-) 13:40 mtompset "The 48 hours of Friday September 14th, 2012, of whatever time zone you wish." ;) 13:40 vfernandes the overdue notices are not being sent to the user/patron... instead of that is being build a multipart on the database and are sent to root@localhost 13:41 mtompset Sorry, saa... I can't see how that logically could happen. 13:42 saa ok 13:42 kf [off] http://paste.koha-community.org/165 < ok? 13:43 magnuse kf: more than ok! :-) 13:43 oleonard kf++ 13:43 kf oleonard: I take your ++ that I didn't make any embarassing typos? :) 13:44 oleonard Looks good to me kf 13:45 kf koha and koha-devel? 13:45 mtompset The end time needs 5 more minutes. ;) 13:46 mtompset Well... 4:59.999999 ;) 13:46 mtompset But that's the wiki. 13:48 magnuse kf: that's what i have usually done 13:48 kf it's done 13:48 vfernandes no one can help me? 13:48 magnuse kf++ 13:49 kf yay 13:49 kf now I got the karma :) 13:49 kf @karma kf 13:49 huginn kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 202 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 202. 13:49 oleonard vfernandes: Do you have the AutoEmailPrimaryAddress system preference set to something other than "first valid?" 13:50 mtompset @karma mtompset 13:50 huginn mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 20 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 19. 13:50 kf eek 13:50 mtompset Wow, I suck. 13:50 magnuse @karma cait 13:50 huginn magnuse: Karma for "cait" has been increased 318 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 317. 13:50 kf almost edited the template 13:51 mtompset @karma mbalmer 13:51 huginn mtompset: Karma for "mbalmer" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9. 13:51 wajasu vfernandes: i believe that when a patron does not have an email configured, the overdue notices are batched up and sent tot he syspref KohaAdminEmailAddress. root@localhost is the default KohaAdminEmailAddress. See if that patron has an email address configured. 13:51 mtompset mbalmer++ # for making me feel better. 13:51 kf mtompset: I have been around for a while 13:51 wizzyrea actually that address is configured in the sysprefs 13:51 magnuse kf: the template is there to be edited, so we can improve it from one gbsd to the next :-) 13:51 wizzyrea er sorry library definitions 13:51 wizzyrea admin -> library and branches 13:51 Oak kf++ 13:52 kf magnuse: I wanted to add a not about the bugs and dates in the rlelease newsletter 13:52 kf and I seem to not beig able to do it 13:52 kf help? 13:52 wahanui help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. 13:52 kf hm thx wahanui 13:52 wahanui yw 13:52 magnuse hm, click the edit tab on top of the page, not the links "inside" the page? 13:52 kf oooh 13:52 kf ok 13:52 wizzyrea what are you trying to do 13:52 magnuse first question? 13:52 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 13:53 kf wizzyrea: I am trying to add '''Deadlines for the 3.10 release and an (incomplete) list of bugs and patches that will be affected by that can be found in the [http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-10-2012-08/ monthly RM newsletter]!''' 13:53 kf as an additional note under the headline What 13:53 * mtompset has a musical flashback, "Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help!" ;) 13:53 * kf gives up 13:54 wizzyrea kf are you logged in? 13:54 Oak take a deep breath kf ans try again 13:54 oleonard Whoa: http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl 13:54 kf I edited the template - magnuse will repair it maybe... :) 13:54 magnuse kf: yeah, you can't put things inside the template text without changing the template. just put it above the template? 13:54 wizzyrea wtf are you guys doing lol. 13:54 kf editing the wiki :) 13:55 wizzyrea lol ok 13:55 magnuse oleonard: yeah, there is some squashing to be done! 13:55 oleonard magnuse: I'm surprised. It was as low as 62 last week I thought 13:56 mtompset Wednesday Thursday Friday, wizzyrea? ;) 13:56 * Oak will tell someone wizzyrea used the f word... :) 13:57 vfernandes wajasu 13:57 vfernandes thats correct 13:57 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 13:57 Oak hello mtompset :) 13:57 vfernandes i thought that koha look for the valid email (work or home) bu always tries to sent to the home email 14:04 wajasu vfernandes: well, maybe a note in the documentation might be in order if it doesn't say so already. there are many other notices, and supporting secondary or tertiary email addresses might be a lot to test. 14:06 wajasu vfernandes: i only know about this because i worked on bug 8378 and hope it goes out for our future release 14:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 14:08 * magnuse wanders off 14:09 kf hi paul_p 14:09 Oak wb paul_p 14:10 kf hi sophie_m :) 14:11 paul_p (was not afk, it's just my SDSL that's still crazy...) 14:11 paul_p (at a meeting) 14:27 oleonard The "suspension in days" feature is what sets a date in the debarred field, correct? 14:29 kf hm I think you can also set it manually 14:29 kf but it should be that 14:30 jcamins oleonard: I thought suspension in days was supposed to do that but didn't. 14:35 sophie_m hi kf : we are regularly disconnected here :/ 14:40 kf sophie_m: :( 14:53 tcohen hi #koha, a question on 110$t 14:53 tcohen is there a rule for when that the ocurrence of $t is valid?= 14:54 tcohen indicators, presence of other subfield than $a, etc? 14:54 Barrc another silly git question......is it the norm to clone the repo to a new working dir for each patch? That is, suppose I clone the repo - work on a small patch then want to move to another patch? 14:54 jcamins No. Not at all. 14:55 jcamins tcohen: $t should not be used on 1xx fields in MARC21. 14:55 jcamins It can only be used in 6xx and 7xx. 14:55 oleonard Barrc: Do you mean clone a new repo or create a new branch? 14:55 jcamins Barrc: you create a new *branch* for each bug you want to test. 14:55 jcamins git? 14:55 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 14:56 jcamins ^^ that page explains branch creation, I think. 14:56 Barrc oleonard: That's my query I suppose (I have looked at the wiki). Support I create a branch, then do some work. The files here are modified...... 14:57 jcamins Barrc: you commit your changed files to your branch. Then you have the commit saved, and can switch to a new branch to do something else. 14:57 tcohen jcamins: found an example of its usage here http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd110.html 14:57 Barrc So, when I switch to another branch, the modified files get reverted to the original ones? 14:57 oleonard Barrc: If you type "git branch" does it list only "master" ? 14:57 jcamins Barrc: no, you can't switch branches unless you commit your changes. 14:58 Barrc oleonard: No, I have master and the branch I made to work on 14:58 jcamins tcohen: that's odd. I was always told that $t couldn't be used in 1xx. 14:58 Barrc I am finished with that now and would like to move on to something else! 14:58 oleonard Barrc: That's good. You shouldn't commit your changes to your master branch 14:58 Barrc I think I have! 14:58 Barrc git log seems to show it 14:58 oleonard Barrc: So commit your changes to your custom branch and create a new one based on master 14:58 oleonard Oh, commits in master. 14:59 jcamins This is why I don't have a master branch. 14:59 jcamins It's impossible to inadvertantly commit to it. 15:00 oleonard Barrc: Check out master, then create a new branch without specifying what it's based on. 15:00 oleonard The new branch should have the changes you made to master. 15:00 oleonard Then you can check out master again and "git reset --hard origin" 15:01 Barrc ah - cool. So, the reset will get me back to the original files. Then in future, do you recommend not committing to master, is that the preferred method? 15:01 oleonard Right, do not commit when you're in the master branch 15:01 oleonard If you want to have a master branch you should keep it clean 15:02 oleonard ...just like they told you in 6th grade. Zing! 15:03 Barrc oleonard: thanks! 15:05 reiveune bye 15:11 Barrc One more question! If you don't commit to master how can you see the change on the dev install of Koha? If you know what I mean!? 15:12 oleonard Barrc: Whatever branch is checked out is the branch your Koha installation is running off of 15:13 jcamins Barrc: you check out the branch you want to use. 15:13 mtompset Greetings, oleonard, jcamins, and tcohen. 15:13 tcohen hi mtompset 15:24 bag good morning 15:29 Barrc So, sorry for the struggle here....but - I preform a git clone. I now have a clone directory of the repository. Do I run a dev install off this? 15:29 mtompset YES. 15:29 Barrc or do I create a working branch first? 15:29 mtompset well, branch first. 15:29 mtompset Hmm... either? 15:29 wahanui either is, like, fine 15:29 mtompset Some one else? 15:30 wizzyrea I don't think there's a "best practice" for that 15:30 wizzyrea certainly if you are writing code, it's better to be on a branch. 15:30 wizzyrea but if you just want to run koha off of a git clone 15:30 wizzyrea I don't think you need a branch 15:31 * mtompset nods. 15:31 mtompset I'd go with that. :) 15:31 jcamins Barrc: here's how I do it: git clone. Run through the install. Decide to develop things. Check out a new branch based on origin/master, and delete my master branch. 15:31 wizzyrea ^^ I was about to type this exact thing 15:31 wizzyrea though I usually leave my master alone. 15:31 mtompset that way you don't get confused over "master". :) 15:31 jcamins Right. 15:32 mtompset Actually, for 3.6.x and 3.8.x, I did what jcamins said. 15:32 Barrc jcamins: Excellent. So, say I do just that, and have a branch called "Bar". 15:32 jcamins And I have a git shortcut for checking out current master: git com = git checkout origin/master 15:32 mtompset Just so that I knew which one it was. ;) 15:32 wizzyrea ^^ I do this too 15:40 drojf kf: i would assume that those who are really interested in koha have specific questions for us later and the rest will just listen to that 15:40 drojf no idea how many people will really be interested in koha though 15:40 wajasu i set suggest on in admin, and i can type whatever, and always get no results. though my arizona results are findable. i'm grabbing lunch, will check in later to see if you have time. 15:40 kf if there are a few really interested peopel that's ok :) 15:41 drojf yup. and if nobody cares we are close to the food :D 15:42 jcamins wajasu: I won't have any time today, but if you put a note of what queries you're trying, and what authority records they should match, I'll see what I can see. 15:42 kf lol 15:43 jcamins wajasu: oh, wait, you mean suggestions in the staff client? They weren't added yet. 15:43 wajasu jcamins: i just searched for "bacon" and i really only have the geonames in the db from testing 8211, so i got no results with no visible suggestions. IN OPAC 15:43 jcamins Ah, of course. 15:44 jcamins You'll only get suggestions if you search for Arizona, Phoenix, United, or States. 15:44 * jcamins should have specified "you should have multiple authority records" in the test plan. 15:45 jcamins What I'd do is turn on "BiblioAddsAuthorities" and AutoCreateAuthorities, and catalog a bunch of things. 15:45 oleonard wajasu++ # for testing 15:45 wajasu searching for Arizona gave me all the results from the 8211 geoname heirarchy. do i need to add more authority records with Arizona subject heading that aren't part of that heirarchy? 15:46 wajasu ok. ill try adding some 15:46 oleonard I think anyone who is tired of waiting for a signoff should lead a testing walkthrough on GBSD. Maybe even set up a schedule. 15:46 jcamins oleonard: intriguing idea. 15:46 jcamins wajasu: I tend to forget that most people don't have 40k+ authorities sitting around for testing purposes. 15:47 oleonard Who has two thumbs and doesn't have 40k+ authorities sitting around for testing purposes? 15:47 oleonard This guy. 15:47 mtompset 40k+ AUTHORITIES?! 15:47 wajasu can i borrows your 40k+ for a moment? :) 15:48 wajasu i don't have time to key them in. 15:48 jcamins wajasu: Sure, but uploading might take a bit. 15:48 jcamins wajasu: how about I give you 10k? 15:48 mtompset Suddenly 428 authorities looks like piddly squat. 15:48 jcamins Faster to upload. 15:49 jcamins Actually, here's a smaller set. 15:49 jcamins 3500. 15:49 wajasu nice. 15:50 jcamins I don't know quite where I got this set from, but that's okay. 15:50 mtompset Okay. Dumb library question... what is an authority? and how does that relate to a bibliographic record? Be easy. I'm not a librarian. 15:51 jcamins I thought I had only 3500? 15:51 wizzyrea dumb question? 15:51 wahanui there are no dumb questions. 15:51 mtompset Well, I'm showing my library ignorance. 15:51 mtompset So I feel dumb. 15:51 wizzyrea feeling dumb is different from being dumb. ;) 15:51 mtompset thankfully! 15:51 jcamins Wait. Way to misread. 15:52 jcamins That's 350k 15:52 drojf kf: as you are an IT law expert… wouldn't it be appropriate for my university library to tell me in the imprint that they are loading things from amazon, and maybe also what these things are? not to speak of the implication that if would be logged in to amazon they'd probably know all my searches too? 15:52 wizzyrea feeling dumb? 15:52 wahanui feeling dumb is different from being dumb. ;) 15:52 wizzyrea yesssssss 15:54 wizzyrea oo http://www.bowker.com/en-US/aboutus/press_room/2012/pr_09102012.shtml 15:55 * wizzyrea likes these librarything people. 15:55 jcamins Nifty. 15:55 kf drojf: yes 15:56 kf drojf: they would have to tell you and it should be opt in 15:56 kf or they would have to tell you before it's too late 15:56 kf that is what I was told... but it's not easy to do :( 15:56 jcamins [off] wajasu: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3365544/10kauthorities.zip 15:56 drojf kf: i have just seen it now, i don't know what it does. they tell me about "addthis" in the imprint, but not about amazon, bibtip and google 15:56 wajasu got em 15:56 kf drojf: and I may be wrong too, because I am not really an expert, but we have been discussing that here 15:57 drojf maybe it's really new. i think i'll try to write them a friendly email about it. when i feel friendlier about it ;) 15:58 jcamins wajasu: I don't really know what authorities are in that, so you'll want to take a peek at your authority list to figure out what you might get suggestions on. 15:58 jcamins (and note that none of the authorities will be linked, so following the suggestions won't return any results) 16:00 kf time to leave here :) bye all :) 16:01 jcamins Also note that there are no crazy GND or otherwise German authorities in there. 16:01 kf :P 16:01 wajasu for my understanding. what triggers suggestions? what would i need to add to get suggestions to popup. just an authority with a subject heading with Arizona? (but not linked) 16:01 wajasu search comes back with Konstanz over and over. 16:01 jcamins wajasu: it depends which suggestion plugin you activated. 16:01 wajasu just kidding :) 16:01 drojf lol 16:02 * jcamins wasn't amused. 16:02 * jcamins was horrified. :P 16:02 kf lol 16:02 jcamins (for those who don't know, I was battling a Konstanz authority record for four hours yesterday) 16:02 kf and it led to improvement :P 16:02 jcamins It did. 16:03 drojf so more konstanz, more improvement 16:03 drojf ;) 16:03 kf yay 16:03 wajasu which suggestion plugin. must if active a specific one? 16:03 jcamins wajasu: you have to choose which one you're interested in using. 16:04 jcamins In the "Did you mean?" configuration screen. 16:05 wajasu does that popup? or is it an patron profileish thing? 16:05 jcamins What do you mean? 16:05 jcamins Go to the administration section. 16:05 wajasu where is the did you mean config screen? 16:05 jcamins At the end there's a "Did you mean?" configuration thing. 16:05 wajasu i only det admin syspref. 16:06 jcamins Oh, in that case the patch isn't applied. 16:06 jcamins It sounds like you have 8209, but not 8723. 16:07 wajasu 8726 16:07 jcamins Sorry. 16:07 * jcamins was working on 8523 yesterday. 16:07 kf now really gone :) 16:07 wajasu my git log shows 8726 applied. 16:08 jcamins And you don't see Did you mean? at the end? 16:08 * jcamins will post a screenshot. 16:08 jcamins (that's fast) 16:08 wajasu i found it 16:09 wajasu i thought you only ment the syspref 16:09 wajasu i can't spell today. 16:10 wajasu its showing up now. 16:10 jcamins Ah. No, sorry. 16:10 wajasu its works YAY!!!! 16:10 jcamins That config screen is the best part! :D 16:14 wajasu I like it. when i do related terms search my search text field has su-rl=Arizona instead of su-rl:Arizona Are they equivalent? 16:14 jcamins Yes. = is actually preferable to : with our current query parser. 16:21 jcamins wajasu: with a new QueryParser we'll switch to : instead of =, but in my opinion it's better to have the most-functional behavior *now*, and it's easy to change later. 16:22 gaetan_B bye 16:25 wajasu can you describe what needs to be added to get a result from an authority file plugin (w/o 10Kauths) ? 16:25 wajasu i like the drag and drop plugin order :) 16:26 jcamins wajasu: yeah, it's easy. Just link an authority to a bib record. :) 16:27 jcamins (then do a search for a term that appears in the authority, and it'll say 'Did you mean "Smith, John"' and when you click on Smith, John you'll get a list of books by/about him. 16:28 jcamins For example, if you have an authority record for Puff Daddy, you could search for one of his other names, and follow a suggestion to get to his biography. 16:28 jcamins (note: I don't know what his actual name is, just that it changed a lot) 16:28 jcamins (I also don't know if anyone has written a biography of him) 16:29 jcamins (also, I'm not 100% sure that I'm gendering Puff Daddy correctly, but it seems to me that "Daddy" implies masculine gender) 16:29 jcamins (P.S. I think s/he's an a musician or actor) 16:30 wizzyrea you got it right. :) 16:32 wajasu i thought if I searched for "Arizona" and click the authority file link, i might be able to get some other biblio linked. but i wondered if i link with some topical term, the general keyword search will it pick up. 16:34 jcamins wajasu: this is most useful for names, really. 16:34 jcamins Puff Daddy used to be P. Diddy. If you searched for "P Diddy" in the catalog, you probably wouldn't find his biography, because he's now "Puff Daddy." 16:34 jcamins However, the suggestion plugin would suggest "Puff Daddy" from a search for "P Diddy." 16:35 wajasu does he have a holographic manifestation available yet? 16:35 wizzyrea that's tupac :P 16:35 wizzyrea I think. 16:35 wajasu right. 16:35 wizzyrea didn't p diddy just change his name again? 16:35 jcamins Hehe. I know that Tupac is a rapper. 16:36 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't know. Probably is an unpronounceable symbol. 16:36 * wizzyrea giggles 16:36 jcamins That seems to be the way people are going these days. 16:36 wizzyrea no… who was it that just changed their name to become a reggae artist…. 16:37 wizzyrea it was a rapper... 16:37 wizzyrea OH 16:37 wizzyrea i 16:37 wizzyrea it was Snoop Dogg 16:37 wizzyrea he is now Snoop Lion 16:37 wizzyrea no, i'm totally not kidding 16:37 wizzyrea an 16:37 wizzyrea d I don't even follow this stuff really. 16:37 jcamins Seriously? 16:37 wizzyrea seriously 16:37 jcamins I'm glad I wasn't taking a drink, because that did in fact make me laugh. 16:37 wizzyrea :D 16:38 oleonard Snoop should upgrade to Mountain Lion. 16:38 * wizzyrea giggles 16:38 wizzyrea all I googled was "changed name reggae" 16:39 wizzyrea you would think there would be more than one of these, but every hit was "snoop dogg changes name to snoop lion" 16:39 jcamins wizzyrea: probably because it's just so absurd. 16:39 wizzyrea yes, it's utterly absurd. 16:39 tcohen is it possible that Koha has problems retreiving CHRON_TERM authorities? 16:40 oleonard Sorry tcohen we're only talking about rappers now 16:40 oleonard ;) 16:40 jcamins tcohen: probable, in fact. 16:40 wizzyrea and Reggae artists :P 16:41 tcohen You didn't read my question well, I actually asked if you have heard Cunninlynguists? 16:42 jcamins lol 16:44 tcohen If I was listening some old beastie boys tapes, and wanted to ask zebra for some CHRON_TERM using yaz, how would I do it? 16:44 jcamins tcohen++ # awesome! 16:45 jcamins @attr 1=Chronological-term "term" 16:45 huginn jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes 16:46 jcamins Alternatively, @and @attr 1=authtype "CHRON_TERM" @attr 1=Heading-Main "term" 16:47 jcamins drojf: in a German library catalog, what would "[3] Bl." mean? 16:47 wajasu i'm signing off on this 8726. after lunch. superb work jcamins!!! I'm going to bea able to create some nice heirarchies. 16:47 jcamins Thanks! 16:47 wajasu maybe the tag cloud stuff can use the subject heirarchies 16:48 jcamins wajasu: oooh. That'd be very cool. 16:48 * jcamins had never thought of that. 16:48 jcamins wajasu++ 16:48 drojf jcamins: do you have a full example? 16:49 wajasu i'd put it onthe front page. it would describe our library. 16:49 jcamins drojf: http://gso.gbv.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=647749068 16:50 drojf wajasu: the tag cloud uses only one subfield at the moment AFAIR so that would need some tuning 16:50 jcamins drojf: the tag cloud uses tags, so a script could easily be written to extract authority things. 16:51 drojf jcamins: that might mean "Blatt" (sheets of paper) 16:51 wajasu i also thought it might be cool that as you were cataloging a biblio, on the right side margin, possibly related authority records could appear using ajax. 16:52 jcamins drojf: thanks! 16:52 drojf jcamins: it seems to be some kind of advertisement 16:52 jcamins wajasu: yeah, the cataloging module desperately needs an overhaul. 16:52 jcamins drojf: yup. It's a prospectus. Pretty cool. 16:53 jcamins If you're the type of person who likes prospecti. 16:53 * wajasu lunch, then signoff 17:17 ala Hello #koha 17:18 ala_3vo Hello #Koha 17:18 drojf hello ala_3vo 17:19 ala_3vo Hi there drojf 17:21 ala_3vo I have just attended a Koha workshop conducted by USP and SPC yesterday. Good for a start in the Pacific 17:26 drojf yeah for koha world domination ;) 17:27 * drojf goes home to his 17000k light 17:27 cait oh, what did I miss? 17:27 jcamins 17000k light? 17:27 cait don't tell me you plotted out world domination witout me? 17:27 drojf cait: (19:17:47) ala_3vo: I have just attended a Koha workshop conducted by USP and SPC yesterday. Good for a start in the Pacific 17:28 drojf jcamins: lots of blue, makes me awake. getting dark here 17:28 cait yeah here too... 17:28 * cait tries to find something for dinner 17:28 jcamins drojf: I thought blue was to put you to sleep? 17:28 drojf maybe i should hide one of the lamps in the library 17:29 drojf jcamins: not really :) 17:34 Shane-S Anyone know of an easy way to group patrons and do a barcode/name page of them. We are a school and would to group kids easily by primary teacher name. Right now I have to manually add them all into a batch per teacher 17:34 Shane-S and I can't name the batch so I have to keep it written down like batch 4 is for Jane Doe's homeroom 17:35 jcamins Shane-S: I might. 17:36 jcamins I don't know how to do it using the barcode tool, but I've used reports to print out barcode sheets. 17:36 jcamins Save it as a CSV, then change the font for the barcode column. 17:37 jcamins That may or may not be in any way useful to you. 17:40 tcohen jcamins, how do I connect to a local zebra server trough a socket? (it IS listening in a socket, right? which is it as default?) 17:41 jcamins tcohen: it is listening through a socket, but yaz's documentation is wrong. 17:41 jcamins Let me find it. 17:41 tcohen authoritysocket 17:41 tcohen /var/run/koha/zebradb 17:41 jcamins yaz-client unix:///home/jcamins/koha-dev/var/run/zebradb/authoritysocket -c ~/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/ccl.properties 17:42 tcohen thanks! 17:42 jcamins (replacing the paths with ones appropriate for your installation, of course) 17:43 tcohen hmmmmmmmmm 17:44 tcohen Number of hits: 0 17:45 jcamins Hm. 17:46 jcamins Try the second search I suggested. 17:46 * jcamins doesn't use CHRON_TERM (full disclosure) 17:46 tcohen they're not being indexed I guess, or wrong index 17:47 jcamins That was the reason for the secord search. :) 17:50 tcohen both return 0 hits 17:51 jcamins Okay, take out the @and @attr 1=authtype 17:52 tcohen find @attr 1=Heading-Main "Na" 17:52 tcohen Number of hits: 1 17:52 tcohen find @and @attr 1=authtype "CHRON_TERM" @attr 1=Heading-Main "Na" 17:53 tcohen Number of hits: 0 17:53 wajasu rangi: i had to retest/SIGNOFF 8209 though it passed QA. i can't change status to SIGNED-OFF from PASSED-QA. 17:55 jcamins wajasu: right, it already passed QA. 17:55 jcamins No need to sign off. 17:56 Shane-S jcamins: alright, now I just need to get a barcode font on my librarian's system :P 17:57 tcohen jcamins, what do I need to add to a query to get the actual results? 17:59 jcamins tcohen: Let me check. 18:00 tcohen show 18:00 jcamins Yes. :) 18:01 tcohen oops 18:01 tcohen no 148 on record.abs 18:02 jcamins Oh. 18:02 jcamins That explains it. 18:02 jcamins But you should be using DOM. 18:02 jcamins koha-authority-indexdefs.xml 18:02 tcohen i didn't because I was getting some weird error 18:02 tcohen when indexing 18:02 tcohen guess I'll have to give it a try 18:02 tcohen (again) 18:02 jcamins Ah. You're going to run into all sorts of trouble with authorities. 18:02 jcamins (not using DOM) 18:03 jcamins The error was with bibliographic records, yes? 18:03 mbalmer dpavlin_ , ayt? 18:03 jcamins The 148 probably isn't indexed with DOM either. 18:03 tcohen we weren't able to search for chronological terms 18:03 jcamins tcohen: yes, that's because you just determined it isn't indexed. 18:03 jcamins I meant the weird error was with bibs indexed as DOM. 18:04 tcohen yeah, I meant that this was the only problem we've got yet 18:04 tcohen ohhh 18:04 tcohen is there a path for migrating from GRS-1 to DOM? 18:05 jcamins Run Makefile.PL with the --prev-install-log option. 18:06 tcohen that will set everything to point koha to use dom 18:06 jcamins tcohen: no, you'll have to choose DOM. 18:07 tcohen i remember changing in koha-conf.xml some entries to point to -dom files 18:07 jcamins Oh, you could do that too. 18:08 tcohen i'll follow your advise on a test install and try to reindex 18:08 tcohen i remember an error on smth about Bib-1 not defined... 18:09 mtompset Question... does libchi-perl not return a version number? 18:09 mtompset How do I manually check? 18:10 mtompset dpkg -l says I have it installed, but ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u says I have version 0* 18:13 mbalmer PostgreSQL 9.2 was released today. 18:14 tcohen is it worth a patch? (the addition of chronological terms indexing) 18:16 oleonard This concludes the Postgres non-sequitor portion of our broadcast 18:19 tcohen jcamins, it worked! (grs-1 chronological terms indexing 18:20 oleonard Okay, relevant to Bug 7067: Is there any good reason the process_message_queue cron can't be run every minute? 18:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , allow patron self registration via the opac 18:27 jcamins tcohen: yes, definitely worth a patch. 18:28 tcohen 148 appears to be indexed in DOM (according to authority-koha-indexdefs.xml) 18:28 gmcharlt oleonard: I'd want a lockfile to make sure that multiple runs don't occur simultaneously, but other than that, no reason not to run it as frequently as once a minute 18:28 jcamins tcohen: excellent! 18:29 oleonard gmcharlt: Is the lockfile something that needs to be added by the patch? 18:30 gmcharlt oleonard: yeah, I'd say so 18:30 gmcharlt I'll add a comment to the bug 18:32 jcamins cait: does "wie" in German mean something closer to "while," "because," or "how"? 18:37 tcohen jcamins, done. Bug 8750 18:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Chronological terms authorities not correctly indexed 18:37 jcamins tcohen++ 18:42 * mtompset dislikes libchi-perl. 18:43 jcamins mtompset: you don't have to use it. It's optional. 18:43 mtompset I determined I had to install Log::Any and Moose to get CHI to return a version number. 18:43 jcamins mtompset: ew, and now you're going to have it loading Moose. 18:44 * jcamins uses Moose-less CHI. 18:44 mtompset Well, it wouldn't tell me a version number otherwise. 18:45 * jcamins can think of worse things. 18:45 cait hi YoungPublicLibrarian 18:45 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone! 18:45 jcamins Such as loading Moose when it's not necessary. ;) 18:45 mtompset Yes, but if it doesn't tell me a version number, what else may break? 18:46 jcamins mtompset: nothing. 18:46 jcamins It's optional, and I developed it without installing Moose. 18:46 mtompset You wrote CHI? 18:46 jcamins No. 18:46 jcamins I wrote Koha's drivers for it. 18:46 mtompset Ah. 18:48 mtompset I also had to install 4 other libraries after convincing CHI to return a version number to convince CHI::Driver::Memcached to return a version number. 18:50 * jcamins refers to his above statement regarding Moose. 18:51 jcamins Of course, if you're using Plack it's worth setting up Moose. 18:51 cait YoungPublicLibrarian: still around? 18:51 mtompset Hash::MoreUtils, Carp::Assert, Data::UUID, Time::Duration::Parse 18:51 cait mtompset, jcamins: I think you scare people away :) 18:51 YoungPublicLibrarian Current problem: I am trying to create a report that will return results showing all of one particular libraries patrons who have fines with a total over a certain amount. I need the report to show each fine as well as the sum of the patron's fines. Anyone have any ideas? 18:52 mtompset Sorry, cait. Sorry, YoungPublicLibrarian. :) 18:52 YoungPublicLibrarian No worries 18:52 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: I have good news and bad news. The good news: you have a very good question. The bad news: I don't have an easy answer. 18:52 cait hmm 18:52 tcohen jcamins, leaving now, thanks for your advise 18:52 cait I have done something similar for one of our libraries 18:52 cait give me a second to see if I can access the report 18:52 mtompset Bye, tcohen 18:52 tcohen (happy librarians @ UNC) 18:53 jcamins Yay! 18:54 YoungPublicLibrarian I have a report already created, but for some reason it only shows some of each patron's fines, instead of all of the fines. I've been tryign to figure out why this would be, but have come to no conclusions yet... 18:55 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/166 18:55 cait that#s my report - maybe you can modify it 18:55 cait you could change the amount for example 18:55 wajasu jcamins: 8743 sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm) 18:56 jcamins bug 8743 18:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8743 critical, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , ZOOM error when merging authority change to biblios 18:56 jcamins Oy. 18:56 jcamins Lemme rebase. 18:56 wajasu ok 18:56 jcamins wtf did I do to my repo, though? 18:56 jcamins wajasu: but wait, were you able to reproduce the bug? 18:57 jcamins Rebased. 18:57 YoungPublicLibrarian cait: the problem with that report is that it gives each accounts total instead of the total and each fine for the accounts. I'm working on modifying the report to fit my needs, unfortunately my knowledge of SQL is pretty basic... 18:57 cait hm not sure I get what you want to do 18:58 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: I'm not sure it's possible to do what you want, unfortunately. 18:58 wizzyrea YoungPublicLibrarian: that sounds like two different reports 18:58 cait I agree with wizzyrea 18:58 cait I think 18:58 jcamins That's how I did a similar thing. 18:58 cait if I understand it correctly :) 18:58 wizzyrea you want to show each patron's outstanding fines, and the total fine for each patron 18:58 jcamins You might be able to do a subquery, but it wouldn't be nice. 18:58 wajasu i looked for the error you mentioned. nothing in UI. i saw "[warn] Missing attribute 'type' in attribute info" on stdout when i ran rebuild-zebra though. i also checked my biblio and the linked authority field had not changed. 18:59 wizzyrea you can do both of those things, but not in the same report (at least not as I'm currently conceiving of it) 18:59 jcamins wajasu: in that case you can't test the patch. It appears only for a very limited number of people. 18:59 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay. I can understand that. Then what I would like is a report that shows each patron's fines when the patron is from a particular library. Let me post the report I'm using 18:59 jcamins wajasu: and it's pretty spectacular when it shows up. 18:59 wajasu it a UI error? 19:00 jcamins wajasu: you get a 500, an error in the log, and in certain circumstances your authority data is screwed up. 19:01 jcamins It happens 100% of the time or 0% of the time on any given installation, and I can't see any commonalities. 19:01 wajasu my biblio data wasn't updated. i guess thats not enough. 19:01 pastebot "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Fines and Fees by Branchcode" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/167 19:01 jcamins No, it's a much more dramatic error. 19:01 jcamins :/ 19:02 wajasu ok. i'll drop that one. 19:02 cait mbalmer: am Donnerstag 19:02 YoungPublicLibrarian That's the report I'm using now. But like I said, it only shows maybe 3 out of 5 individual fines for a patron, instead of all 5 fines and I can't figure out why... 19:03 mbalmer cait, leckerli essen.. ? ;) 19:03 cait möglich 19:03 mbalmer haha.... 19:03 wahanui haha is there already a branch for 3.6? 19:03 cait YoungPublicLibrarian: hm. 19:04 mbalmer moeglich. das will ich dann mal sehen... 19:04 cait I see that I worked with subqueries in sums in my report, but I am not sure why right now :) 19:04 cait do you want to have a sum, or repeated lines for each fine? 19:05 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm putting the results into an Access database to format into a letter I can send to the patron about their fines. So I want each fine they have to print out on a seperate line. 19:06 cait hm 19:06 cait I think there could be several reasons 19:06 cait deleted record 19:06 YoungPublicLibrarian In the report however, I would like to be able to limit the results to only patrons who have a total of fines over a certain amount. If possible... 19:06 cait deleted item 19:06 cait or something else... right now I am not sue 19:06 cait you are pulling a lot of information together in that report 19:07 * mtompset waves, "Okay, bye, #koha." 19:08 YoungPublicLibrarian Yeah, which is probably why its giving me problems... 19:08 cait I think to try and get to the error 19:08 cait i would go back and simplyfy it 19:08 cait like try to get the acounts bit right with the borrowernumber and other information 19:08 cait and then go step by step 19:08 cait form there 19:11 YoungPublicLibrarian Hm...I'm not actually sure what you mean. Like I said my knowledge of SQL, and programming in general, is pretty limited...If it wasn't for the reports library I wouldn't even have gotten this far... 19:12 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: you'll be an expert before long. :) 19:13 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, yeah I've learned more about SQL and programing since we adopted Koha than I ever did in my college course I took on the subject! 19:13 cait :) 19:13 cait when you have use for the knowledge, that happens 19:13 cait :) 19:16 cait well.. I like stuff like that, might not be the same for everyone 19:17 cait the problem with helping you is that I don#t have a test base with good data I can access from here 19:17 cait and without checking what I do it's quite hard 19:20 tcohen jcamins: bug 8209, searches in 4xx fields? 19:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities 19:20 jcamins tcohen: yes. 19:20 jcamins So does bug 7417. 19:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches 19:20 jcamins Both have passed QA. 19:22 tcohen i've just marked bug 5705 as duplicate of 8209 19:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5705 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, search 4XX fields in authorities and link to 1XX 19:24 YoungPublicLibrarian Sorry guys...I stepped away from the computer and someone closed my screen... 19:26 cait oh 19:26 cait I said that it's hard for me to help because I have no access to proper test data from home 19:26 cait so can't test 19:27 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah, I see. I can understand that. And its hard for me to test because the libraries in our consortium don't have the permissions to write, edit, and test reports... 19:31 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, well I'm heading to lunch now. But I will be back later today to ask some more specific questions about the report and what each part of it mean 19:33 cait enjoy your lunch 19:34 rangi Morning 19:34 rangi And why not let them write reports? 19:35 YoungPublicLibrarian Consortium politics...only the "real" IT personnel get permissions to write reports...which is a pain! 19:35 mbalmer haha 19:35 YoungPublicLibrarian ok...I'm gone. Back soon! Thanks everyone! 19:36 cait good morning rangi ) 19:41 rangi Politics .... Is there anything they can't ruin? 19:42 gmcharlt or a legitimate fear of 5-way Cartesian joins? 19:42 jcamins lol 19:42 rangi They'll only do that once 19:43 libsysguy mmm cross products are the best gmcharlt 19:43 libsysguy *disclaimer* best =~ best way to halt your database 19:44 gmcharlt heh 19:44 rangi I bet we could run explain first 19:45 libsysguy I read an interesting article yesterday http://kev.inburke.com/kevin/reddits-database-has-two-tables/ 19:45 gmcharlt rangi: that would be better than nothing, though couldn't be definitive 19:45 rangi And say this is going to try to return millions of rows 19:45 rangi Yep 19:46 rangi Personally in my experience I trust IT ppl less than librarians 19:46 rangi I'd reverse the permissions :-) 19:49 wizzyrea hah 19:51 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:51 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). 19:51 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:51 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:45 PM CEST on September 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 19:51 rangi I see no clouds but it is crisp 19:52 cait today was nice - sunny and warm 19:52 cait seems the weather here has finally forgiven robin for leaving 19:52 rangi Hehe 19:52 rambutan It's interesting to watch the QGIS people going through the same process, setting up tests, that Koha is at the same time. Strange correspondence 19:52 rangi He's in den haag now 19:53 cait ah 19:53 cait I was wondering 19:53 jcamins rambutan: I like QGIS. 19:53 jcamins My computer does not. 19:53 cait so on vacation now? 19:53 rambutan So jcamins, why does your computer not like QGIS? 19:54 jcamins rambutan: I think something to do with the amount of data contained in a map of Saint Petersburg. 19:54 rangi Semi vacation 19:55 jcamins It goes urrrrrrrrkkkkkkk and the cursor starts jumping. 19:55 jcamins :) 19:55 rambutan ah. ic. yea, that's a problem. 19:58 cait jcamins: tell me to continue testing :) 19:58 jcamins cait: continue testing. 19:58 jcamins You're close to done on bug 8523. 19:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC 19:59 cait you have to work on your serious face 20:04 rangi Bbiab 20:13 kathryn morning all :) 20:14 cait morning kathryn 20:14 kathryn hiya cait! 20:17 cait :) 20:23 rangi back 20:44 rangi oh bug squash day on friday 20:48 cait yep 20:48 cait and I have a long train ride on friday in a nice train with power supply 20:49 rangi excellent 20:54 rambutan cait: are you going to the QGIS conference in Kassel? http://qgis.org/en/user-meetings/kassel-092012.html 21:16 bag oh nice bug squashing day coming :) 22:07 wajasu i can't believe i finally got bug 8215 tested 22:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add Course Reserves 22:07 bag nice wajasu 22:07 wajasu khall: congrats!!! 22:07 wajasu @later tell khall Congrats!!! on 8215 22:07 huginn wajasu: The operation succeeded. 22:09 wajasu bag: let me know if you have any specific bugs you really need tested and i'll try to work it. 22:10 bag ah I'm currently helping melia try and test some bugs from the needs_signoff 22:10 bag so nothing at the moment :) 22:10 wajasu ok. 22:11 * wajasu on break 22:21 jcamins_away OCLC's numbering scheme has once again proven to be too short-sighted. 22:22 rangi run out of digits? 22:22 jcamins_away Yup. 22:22 jcamins_away Again. 22:22 rangi eggs 22:22 jcamins_away After, what, two years? 22:22 wajasu 13 not enough 22:23 jcamins_away wajasu: 9. 22:23 jcamins_away 9 wasn't enough. 22:23 wajasu we should use ipv6 addresses 22:23 jcamins Now they finally realized that they can't keep on zero-padding their numbers. 22:24 rangi heh 22:25 * jcamins is now entirely vindicated in his argument that GRS-1 needs to be gone in a year. 22:26 jcamins Matching on OCLC numbers will break again. 22:28 rangi right 22:37 jcamins [off] The newest service to hit the big apple: http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-zipcarp-service-offers-shortterm-carp-rentals,29494/ 22:38 rangi heh 22:39 wajasu wow! that was quick. got mine already. 22:39 jcamins lol 22:41 rangi now you can waste some money on a .kiwi.nz domain 22:42 jcamins .kiwi.nz? 22:42 jcamins Someone's selling subdomains and making money? 22:42 rangi no thats a 2ld 22:42 rangi just came into being 22:43 rangi http://dnc.org.nz/ 22:43 rangi check the drop down, those are the domains you can get in .nz 22:43 * jcamins scratches his head. 22:43 jcamins Why? 22:43 jcamins I don't expect you to know the answer, of course. 22:44 jcamins Just... why? 22:44 jcamins Doesn't .nz pretty much communicate "kiwi"? :P 22:44 ibeardslee yeah .. the cynic in me agrees with that 22:44 ibeardslee it's pretty much going .nz.nz 22:44 rangi yep 22:44 rangi its money 22:44 rangi why do businesses do anything :) 22:45 * jcamins suggests banana.kiwi.nz as a good domain name. 22:45 jcamins Then you can name your servers after fruits. 22:45 ibeardslee chocolate.kiwi.nz 22:45 jcamins strawberry.banana.kiwi.nz. 22:45 rangi heh 22:45 jcamins It's for a New Zealand-themed smoothie company. :) 23:00 rangi melia++ #sign offs 23:00 melia aaww thanks :) bag helped me 23:00 bag ;) 23:02 jcamins rangi: do I recall that Catalyst was going to be doing some work on call slip functionality? 23:03 jcamins Let me rephrase that. 23:03 jcamins Do I remember *correctly* that Catalyst is going to be doing some work on call slips? 23:03 rangi i dont think so 23:04 rangi at least i don't recall 23:04 jcamins Oh well. 23:04 jcamins You should. :) 23:06 rangi hehe 23:06 idreambooks hi guys...idreambooks guy here. i submitted a bug report as you guys suggested: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8733 23:06 huginn 04Bug 8733: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Adding critic reviews to book pages 23:06 rangi yep saw that thanks 23:06 idreambooks we have a way to retrieve the readometer based on ISBN numbers now! 23:07 rangi excellent 23:07 idreambooks i was thinking we could dedicate resources for this implementation but would need help from you guys 23:08 idreambooks how long would it take for the changes to get approved after the patch has been sent? 23:09 rangi there is no set time 23:10 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/08/14/how-does-a-patch-marked-enhancement-take-to-get-into-master/ 23:11 rangi hmm i bet i can do something with that api right now 23:11 rangi 2 secs 23:11 idreambooks "The average is 32.6686." is this days...33 days 23:11 rangi yep 23:11 rangi but averages are misleading 23:12 rangi median is the important number 23:12 idreambooks ah 23:12 rangi does it work with 10 digit isbn, or just 13 ones? 23:12 jcamins Also, something to keep in mind: that includes bugs and enhancements that may be used by only one library in the world, and therefore very hard to check. 23:12 jcamins And you have two factors in your favor: 23:13 jcamins 1) idreambooks.com is very shiny, and shiny things are always a favorite for testing 23:13 jcamins 2) many of the people who do testing will test patches by new developers before testing other patches 23:16 idreambooks it is 13 ones i think... 23:16 rangi cool 23:16 idreambooks u need 10 ones too? 23:17 bag alright all - catch you later tonight - dinner date is calling 23:17 rangi naw, we can convert them 23:17 idreambooks jcamins: graeat! good to hear 23:17 idreambooks one thing i wanted to ask you guys....http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/NorthAmerica 23:17 idreambooks according to that there are 40 odd libararies that have websites that use koha 23:18 idreambooks once the patch is pushed to master, do these library systems get updated too? 23:21 rangi when they decide to upgrade yes 23:22 idreambooks oh i c....any idea how often they upgdare typically? 23:23 rangi nope no idea at all (40 odd is way less than actuality, there are at least 600 in the US alone) 23:25 idreambooks oh really...i went off the number in wikipedia that had web based systems. do all these 600 have web based systems? 23:26 rangi koha is web based 23:26 rangi you cant really run it any other way 23:26 rangi do you mean that have public facing sites? 23:27 idreambooks yeah...thats what i meant 23:27 idreambooks 'cos some of the ones listed dont have websites i can see 23:27 idreambooks also some library catalogues are not up to date :| 23:28 jcamins idreambooks: yes, libraries can update as frequently or infrequently as they want. 23:28 jcamins And there's no way of knowing how many libraries make their Koha OPAC public. 23:31 jcamins Hundreds in the US, certainly. 23:31 jcamins melia: do you know off the top of your head how many hundred libraries ByWater supports in the US? 23:33 jcamins idreambooks: suffice it to say, it's a large number. Well upward of 100 libraries in the US. Probably in excess of 200. I don't know if it's closer to 200, 300, or 400 though. 23:33 melia hhhmm. I'd say about 125 different libraries, but some of those are consortiums that have 40+ libraries each... 23:34 idreambooks jcamins: ic...over a 100 libraries are public facing....probably more than 200 23:34 jcamins idreambooks: right. 23:35 idreambooks the "Amazon Reviews" section seem to be blank in most public facing libraries. not sure if it is because amazon is not sending reviews back or a bug 23:36 jcamins idreambooks: Amazon provides reviews for a very small percentage of books. 23:36 jcamins idreambooks: I just counted the number of libraries in one consortium that I happen to know is using Koha. They have 78. 23:37 idreambooks jcamins: cool. you guys are massive. are you the largest in the world or something? 23:37 jcamins Not me. 23:37 jcamins I don't work for ByWater. 23:37 jcamins melia does. 23:38 jcamins Only one of the collecions I work with has a public catalog. 23:38 rangi hmm you do understand Koha is an open source project eh? So a big community of developers and libraries and companies 23:38 idreambooks oh i meant koha being the larget ILS 23:38 rangi no 23:38 rangi far from it 23:39 rangi but its growing all the time 23:40 ibeardslee it is the most awesome though 23:40 idreambooks yup...koha is open source maintained by core contributors like yourselves. i figured you guys were all volunteers (that like to contribute) or work for a library system... 23:42 jcamins idreambooks: we don't really have a "core contributor" concept quite the same as, say, the Linux kernel does. 23:43 melia sorry, I'm only half listening. there are several hundred libraries in the US using Koha, some of which are supported by ByWater (a support company). there are many other libraries throughout the world using Koha, some of which use different support companies. the Koha community is made up of a bunch of developers who might work for one of the many different support companies, or might just volunteer to work on Koha out of the goodness 23:43 melia their generous hearts. 23:43 jcamins There is an elected release team, but other than that developers come and go as they find the need to fix bugs/add features/kill time/whatever. 23:45 jcamins (so once your patch adding support for the idreambooks.com API to Koha, you'll be a Koha developer too:) 23:45 idreambooks ah ic...yeah i am just curious how it all works :) 23:45 idreambooks that's awesome! 23:45 jcamins Incidentally, libwebcats (http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/index.pl) says there are more than 24k libraries in the US, and it is by no means comprehensive. 23:47 idreambooks wow...that's a lot of libraries. they all probably have electronic records too 23:48 jcamins That's all sorts of libraries, of course. Not just public libraries. 23:53 idreambooks i am somewhat technical (i can code but not a pro). another member of our team is super technical and im trying to get him to show koha some love