Time Nick Message 23:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search 23:44 wajasu i'm attempting to test bug 8211 and perform test as described in comment #1. i need a bilio/librarian to guide me in how to create an authority record with 551 links. 16:39 * cait waves 16:02 * mtompset waves. 16:02 wajasu later 16:02 wajasu i was running koha on perl 5.12, and when it went to 5.14 in the OS, koha broke. i had changed the rewrie script to change to #!/usr/bin/env and things were fine 16:01 mtompset Well, it's nearing midnight. I need to get to bed, or I'll turn into a pumpkin. ;) 16:00 mtompset Changes the DEFAULT perl? 15:59 wajasu so thats why i experimented with perlbrew, perl local:lib and then went to a VM. 15:57 wajasu the problem with archlinux was it updated so frequently, its not what you want for a server, because if an update changes the perl version, your koha is broken. 15:56 wajasu it was to distribution agnostic, and let folks run koha in a debian VM. so know i would deploy the koha appliance to archlinux, ubuntu, etc. 15:56 mtompset I'm running Ubuntu, so no need for that. :) 15:55 wajasu i have a nice bash script that runs using a debian preseed file and builds a koha VM(using libvirt/qemu and includes the koha-common packages, pulling from the k-c.org repo. 15:55 mtompset Unless I packaged them, and then installed from the packages I generated. 15:54 mtompset And that seems yucky. 15:54 mtompset The problem is I would have to pull things from CPAN. 15:54 mtompset Actually... I was tinkering with a script for a yum-based install (CentOS) 15:53 wajasu i see. 15:53 wajasu but cpan depenedcies have more deps, etc. which gets big. so koha is really debian dependent on having packages available. 15:52 mtompset debian use .deb files, not .rpm's. 15:51 * mtompset bows to the hard-core awesomeness of wajasu. ;) 15:51 wajasu archlinux has its own package manager called pacman (not rpm), and i wrote a script to build the packages from cpan which worked. 15:50 mtompset But since archlinux (from what I have briefly read in the last 5 minute) is build what you want... why not just use the debian repos? 15:48 wajasu and maybe we could use perlbrew. 15:47 wajasu for external deps. 15:46 wajasu there is an external perl build/packaging tool called carton, which if we used it, we could gather all the parl dependencies, and make a perl lib directory separate from the host distributions version. 15:44 mtompset perl local:lib? 15:44 wajasu i deployed my koha 3 years ago on archlinux. i think koha needs to package its dependencies in a perl local:lib in the future, because the distributions upgrade perl, but the koha code is not ready. 15:38 mtompset the manual build part. 15:37 mtompset I'm at section 3 now. 15:37 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 15:36 mtompset I just finished editing through all the preliminary set up steps. 15:36 mtompset Right now, I'm trying to clean up the documentation for Ubuntu. 15:35 mtompset It's like I've got a novel in the INSTALL file. 15:35 wajasu koha needs to get more user/dev/freindly. its sorely needed. 15:35 mtompset I'm almost 55% of the way done. 15:34 mtompset *whew* ... Editing documentation is such a slow process! 15:33 wajasu yes. that whole perspective McArthur was ausome. 15:32 mtompset Also helped that McArthur kept his promise to return. :) 15:31 mtompset Yes, too much fighting and cross-fire, but the Filipino people are resilient because of it. :) 15:30 wajasu yes. the world is always fighting. it seems the Philipines has been in the middle of many wars and paid dearly. 15:29 mtompset the part about how freedom from Spain because of a fight over Cuba? 15:28 wajasu yes. 15:28 mtompset did you learn the parts of history that overlapped with US history? 15:28 mtompset My wife is Filipino though. :) 15:27 mtompset I'm Canadian, but being called a Filipino is okay. They are so hospitable. :) 15:25 wajasu most everyone know english. i went to the rock, and that vocano for fun. i learned a lot about your history. You have alot of people living in those islands. 15:23 wajasu i tried once, but it doesn't work well over irc. 15:22 mtompset (That's ugly tagalog for do you speak in Tagalog) 15:22 mtompset Magsalita sa Tagalog po ba kayo? ;) 15:21 mtompset But I'm in Laguna. 15:21 mtompset That's sort of close to where I am. 15:20 wajasu i was there August 2011, in Batangas province 15:20 mtompset But I'm not crazy enough to expect you to know everyone in Texas. ;) 15:20 mtompset I have a friend who is marrying a girl from Texas. -- Yes, I'm in the Philippines 11:17PM 15:20 wajasu where are you? Philipines? 15:19 wajasu i'm in Texas, it 10:15 am 15:19 mtompset What timezone are you in? 15:19 mtompset wajasu: You're awake? 15:12 * wajasu door creaking 15:09 mtompset It's gotten rather quiet now. 13:45 mtj ok, now *really* off to bed :) ciao 13:44 mtj sorry, i thought you meant, in general... 13:43 mtj specifc to an ubuntu install, then yeah… tarball is a no-no 13:41 mtompset actually earlier, but 3.4 in production. 13:40 mtompset But come on... packages have been around since 3.4 13:40 mtj yeah, too harsh :p 13:39 mtompset "If you are still persisting to do a tarball install, this file is the only support you are likely to get in the future" -- Is that too harsh? 13:31 mtj ok, off to bed now… :) 13:29 mtj thats the best way forward, as i see it... 13:29 mtj so, there might be install pages on the wiki, (but they will be compiled and read-only) 13:27 mtj 9/ and probably autobuild some wikipages from the install docs, after a commit happens 13:25 mtompset I'm at 30% now. Need to keep going. 13:25 mtompset I'll get around to that too. 13:24 mtompset But I agree. 13:24 mtj 8/ remove all the old, incorrect, outdated install pages from the wiki 13:24 mtompset 7) hasn't happened yet. 13:24 mtj the last ones v. important 13:23 mtj 7/ keep the documentation unders source-control, appoint a doc-manager/QA-team... 13:22 mtj thats prolly about it… :) 13:22 mtj . 13:21 mtj 6/ dont add incorrect information 13:21 mtj 5/ dont add unnecessary information 13:20 mtj 4/ keep the language simple, so its easy to machine-translate - and for non-english people to understand 13:19 mtj 3/ keep the documentation concise and correct and simple 13:17 mtj (and, remove duplicated info too) 13:17 mtj 2/ put the the install steps that are generally relevant, in a single document 13:15 mtj 1/ remove references to obselete versions of stuff 13:15 mtj its all pretty simple obvious advice really.... 13:13 mtompset while checking to see if aptitude is installed. ;) 13:12 mtompset I personally like my subtle hint "aptitude search koha-common" 13:12 mtompset But actually, if you have an order in mind, I wouldn't mind hearing it, so we can co-ordinate that. 13:11 mtompset There might be some tweaks to be made in reordering on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 13:03 mtj …so we might be duplicating a whole lot of work, between us 13:02 mtj i have a restructure plan for the install docs too :) 13:01 mtj so, whats your restructure plan? 12:59 mtj the install process, or a doc describing the install process 12:58 mtj sorry, i dont know want yr refering to 12:57 mtompset "If you are still persisting to do a tarball install, this file is the only support you are likely to get in the future: " 12:56 mtompset They should be in the same section! 12:56 mtompset And frankly, I am annoyed by the Appendix A answers for the install process. 12:55 mtompset something that is currently lacking. 12:54 mtompset I will however, provide a mapping between the "standard" "site" and "dev" installs. 12:54 mtj yep, now you're getting the hang of it... :) 12:54 mtompset Because I want point 2.7.2 to be the same point in the Wiki and INSTALL.OS file. 12:53 mtompset into the docs now. 12:53 mtompset I've gotten several: You should be using packages. 12:53 mtompset true. 12:53 mtompset Quite tur. 12:52 mtj after all, the web-install steps are identical for all Koha install methods, on every OS 12:52 mtompset I'm 25% of the way through a restructure of the INSTALL.OS and Wiki pages. 12:51 mtj mtompset, you also get bonus points for moving the web-install steps, into a new general doc 11:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #165: FIXED in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/165/ 11:39 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 10:38 mtompset I'm working on trying to synchronize the Wiki and INSTALL.{OS} with that in mind. 10:38 * rangi goes to bed 10:38 rangi thats right cos you dont need it 10:38 rangi yep, but it should start with, are you sure you should be doing this, just install the packages 10:38 mtompset If it is a package install, they won't have that file. 10:37 mtompset The INSTALL.{OS} file is only going to be read in the case of a tarball or git install, right? 10:37 mtompset Because obviously it is important. :) 10:37 jenkins_koha Starting build #165 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #163 2 days 1 hr ago) 10:37 jenkins_koha rangi: job Koha_3.8.x build scheduled now 10:37 rangi !jenkins build Koha_3.8.x now 10:36 mtompset Oh... I was thinking about documentation. 10:34 rangi :) 10:34 mtompset It's like patching a plural with (s), because you are too lazy to check the 0/1/>1 cases. ;) 10:33 rangi yep 10:33 mtompset But if that was the message for the $0.00 case, wouldn't that be okay? 10:33 mtompset Ah. 10:32 rangi which can be set in system preferences, so changing it to jsut say you have outstanding is a change in behaviour, it used to say you owed more than the threshold 10:31 rangi its that the have outstanding charges, over a certain threshold 10:31 rangi the reason they are blocked from renewals is not they have outstanding fines 10:31 rangi that again is not right 10:31 mtompset Why didn't they just make the message something like "You have outstanding fines, contact a librarian."? 10:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8678 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , XSLT stylesheets output XML, but HTML is needed 10:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8204 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless 10:29 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8678: XSLT stylesheets output XML, but HTML is needed 10:29 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8204 follow-up: don't display OpacNav on auth details 10:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #164: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/164/ 10:26 mtompset And what if the bot was so happy it misses it? 10:23 mtompset Greetings, matts 10:23 mtompset kia ora, rangi 10:05 matts hi ! 10:05 rangi hi matts 09:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8408 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Odd OPAC message when OPAC Renewals are disabled and OPACFineNoRenewals is set to blank 09:53 rangi hmm bug 8408 is not going in 3.8.x 09:38 rangi changing an array to a scalar by accident sure can 09:38 cait some things have big consequences 09:37 rangi simple fix for a massive error 09:37 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=12077 09:33 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 09:33 rangi @later tell paul_p bug 8089 breaks most of Koha (cant modify anything that uses SQLHelper) there is a patch attached that fixes it 09:31 rangi yep 09:31 cait but jenkins sould be a happy bot that never gets bothered 09:31 cait yeah 09:31 rangi so our backstop caught it 09:30 rangi but at least jenkins caught it 09:30 cait they at least should run the tests 09:30 cait when qa doesn#t test 09:30 cait that is the really worrysome bit about it :( 09:30 cait yeah 09:28 rangi that has to stop 09:28 rangi yep, but i must have not run the tests, or this would have happened, and neither did kyle, or marcel, or paul 09:27 cait happens often 09:27 rangi since i only tested an add 09:27 rangi i missed it in my first test 09:26 cait rangi++ 09:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #164 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:25 rangi ill attach a patch 09:25 rangi but now its a scalar 09:25 rangi returns an array 09:25 rangi that was the original line 09:25 rangi return grep { $hash_columns->{$_}->{'Key'} =~/PRI/i} keys %$hash_columns; 09:24 rangi that should be @result 09:24 rangi is not 09:24 rangi $result = grep { $hash_columns->{$_}->{'Key'} =~/PRI/i} keys %$hash_columns; 09:24 rangi this 09:24 rangi that is ok 09:23 rangi + $result = $cache->get_from_cache("sqlhelper:GetPrimaryKeys:$tablename"); 09:22 cait don't tell me :) 09:22 rangi nope the tests are very very very rarely wrong 09:21 cait or the usual... the tests must be wrong 09:21 rangi tests must just simply not have been run 09:21 cait jared will be devastated 09:21 rangi im not sure how it ever got pushed 09:21 cait oh 09:21 cait ah, so something else is in the patch? 09:21 rangi its a bit jared changed to make it cache that is wrong 09:21 rangi the cache bit is fine 09:20 rangi no 09:20 rangi tests prove how useful they are 09:20 cait how did it happen? the caching effecting the editing? 09:20 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ 09:20 rangi since that was pushed 09:20 rangi in master 09:20 wahanui anything is possible with enough development work :) 09:20 rangi or anything 09:20 cait that's a big big bug 09:20 cait oh wow 09:20 cait can you explain? 09:20 rangi so you cant modify borrowers 09:20 cait hm? 09:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use Koha::Cache everywhere 09:19 wahanui with is what I think I meant 09:19 cait with? 09:19 rangi bug 8089 09:19 rangi you cant modify anyhing with it 09:19 rangi and its a real one too 09:19 rangi the 8 failing tests 09:19 cait evening rangi 09:19 cait which problem? 09:19 rangi finally tracked down the problem 08:48 mtompset Considering that the intent of them is so easily broken, sometimes I wonder if we'll ever master the basics. 08:48 cait but I agree the 10 commandments are not a bad start 08:47 mtompset Sadly, you're right. :( 08:47 cait I tihnk so 08:47 mtompset Bah. It's call covered in Exodus 20. ;) No need for any other laws. Do we really need more than the 10 commandments? ;) 08:46 cait back to it law... 08:45 mtompset Back to documentation. 08:45 mtompset Rehydrating now. 08:44 cait half of the temperature here 08:44 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.2°C (10:40 AM CEST on September 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 08:44 cait @wunder Konstanz 08:44 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 31.0°C (4:00 PM PHT on September 08, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). 08:44 mtompset @wunder MNL 08:44 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 2.5 hours outside without a fan is not my idea of fun. Oh well. 06:19 mtompset Bye. 06:18 mtompset Well edit'ing and testing of INSTALL/Wiki instruction to resume later. 06:15 bag wajasu: I really think that is a dup 06:00 mtompset Don't we all, cait? 05:56 cait sorry for being confusing - I need some time in the mornings :) 05:55 wajasu ok. added comments and leaving for others. I'm done for today. 05:53 cait I would mark the bug report that has no patches as the duplicate maybe 05:53 cait I think melia noted it as duplicate too in comment 11 05:53 cait hm 05:52 wajasu jacamins an i fixed the Default Linker which messed up the biblio for subject headings (use case i had was 630). i think 100 and others had the same behavior in 8552, since they were using AutoAddauthorities too. 05:52 cait wajasu: I just got up 05:51 mtompset Greetings, cait. 05:51 cait both for bibliogrpahic 05:51 cait sorry 05:51 cait ah no 05:50 cait the code might be similar for both 05:50 cait and it seems one is for bibligraphic and one is for authorities? 05:50 wajasu ok. 05:50 cait I haven't looked into them 05:50 cait hm I am not sure wajasu 05:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8552 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , BiblioAddsAuthorities set to Allow causes Software Error on Z3950 import 05:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8447 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , can't save new records / indicator error 05:50 cait hi wajasu 05:50 wajasu cait: i had just signed off bug 8447 and i suspect that bug 8552 is a dupe. maybe you can confirm my suspicion. 05:48 wajasu hi 05:48 cait good morning #koha 05:42 wajasu but i've seeen folks encourage its use beyond testing. 05:42 wajasu i know. i thought it was just for testers. 05:41 mtompset HA! As I suspected. None of the INSTALL.{OS} files mention koha-common! 05:40 huginn wajasu: The operation succeeded. 05:40 wajasu @later tell rangi - 8447 got fixed with jacamins and i suspect 8552 to be a dupe, so I'll leave it to you to decide. 05:11 huginn wajasu: The operation succeeded. 05:11 wajasu @later tell jcamins 8447 worked, and signed off. its got the original fields, plus the line field(9) and the extra ones. i attached a PNG, nice work. 05:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8447 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , can't save new records / indicator error 05:03 wajasu ok got bug 8447 signed sealed and ... 03:59 mtompset Greetings, wajasu. 03:49 wajasu yo 03:42 mtompset Greetings, #koha.