Time  Nick           Message
23:50 mtj            gotcha, i couldnt rembz if it was, or not..
23:50 rangi          koha-disable instance
23:50 rangi          unless you did
23:50 mtj            ah, ok
23:49 rangi          its enabled by default
23:49 mtj            silly Q.. can anyone remember how to 'enable' zebra index cron, on koha+packages?
23:43 rangi          no need to change the url tho
23:43 rangi          its been bugzilla 4 for years
23:42 mtompset       but it is really bugzilla 4.2.3 under the hood?
23:42 rangi          yes it is
23:41 mtompset       So the URL isn't the same now?
23:40 rangi          upgraded, now running 4.2.3
23:38 mtompset       And the reindexes every 5 minutes picked up the missing pieces.
23:37 mtompset       Ran that script.
23:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , Checking if DB records are properly indexed
23:37 mtompset       bug 6566 solved my problems.
23:36 mtompset       woo hoo! They are solved.
23:36 rangi          just going to upgrade bugzilla
23:32 mtompset       I think my zebra problems are solved. Just about to test.
23:31 mtompset       Good morning, #koha
22:05 drojf          look, that is us in research
22:05 drojf          This is the IRC website for the Koha community. The channel is logged and searchable. Major topics include announcements, events, news, tips and tricks, and surveys.
22:04 drojf          heh
22:03 jcamins_away   [off] That's 'cause they're doing Official Research (TM)
22:03 drojf          company even
22:03 drojf          there sure are a lot of forky links on that website. i have not seen that comapany mentioned so often before.
21:54 rangi          halcyonCorsair: ~/git/koha/
21:53 rangi          [off] http://opensource-ils.cci.utk.edu/content/koha-vendors
21:53 halcyonCorsair rangi: yo, what's the layout of your dev machine like? where do you keep the code, etc?
21:53 jcamins_away   I was looking at the "other ILS" section.
21:53 rangi          yeah that page is special :)
21:53 jcamins_away   wtf?
21:52 rangi          being in the US?
21:52 drojf          i wonder how they chose the three "main vendors" over the rest
21:51 drojf          we should probably ask them, they are the researchers ;)
21:50 jcamins_away   [off] It's *research*. Too important for asking people like us.
21:49 rangi          hm true, they never seemed to get involved or ask any questions
21:49 rangi          yeah
21:49 drojf          but i doubt that somehow
21:49 drojf          i would if i'd think they would be interested at all
21:49 rangi          gotta keep it nice and polite, but yeah its a bit a of a mess
21:49 rangi          id encourage people to use the contact form to nicely point out the factual errors
21:47 drojf          so i am not the only one less than impressed by that ils "research" website
21:41 rangi          yep
21:41 rambutan       chris_n is bouncing all over the place
21:13 rangi          cool
21:12 wajasu         i've got to go running. will look at 8211 and 8726 later
21:09 rangi          yep thats why we use git
21:09 rangi          i only have to care about the 3.8.x branch
21:09 wajasu         not with git. but clearcase or pvcs, or others its a bear.
21:09 rangi          and thats why we have release maintainers
21:08 rangi          thats not many :)
21:08 wajasu         2 plus trunk/master.
21:07 wajasu         you guys are managing alot of branches
21:07 rangi          but that is a rare occurence
21:07 rangi          occassionally we have to do a seperate patch for the stable branches
21:06 rangi          then cherry-picked to 3.8.x or 3.6.x as required
21:06 wajasu         ah.
21:06 rangi          that's the pattern patches should take pushed to master
21:06 rangi          then to stable
21:06 rangi          you can see it went to master first
21:06 rangi          http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_activity.cgi?id=7818
21:05 rangi          if you click on the history link
21:04 wajasu         i'm seeing that 8211 depends on 7818.  7818 is pushed to stable. (is master stable?)
20:57 wajasu         i was starting to look at LDAP security stuff since i have that background and can work that stuff.
20:57 rangi          they have good test plans also :)
20:57 wajasu         ok
20:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Did you mean? plugin for broader/narrower/related terms
20:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search
20:56 rangi          bug 8211 and bug 8726 would be good ones to get signed off
20:47 rangi          yep, as long as you can replicate on master
20:47 rangi          cool nothing new to push
20:47 wajasu         i was playing with adding athorities in master, and there was a popup, which you could search and save, but the cancel button did nothing.  should i write up a bug?
20:46 wajasu         i see
20:46 rangi          its to do with authority merging/creating
20:45 rangi          talk to jcamins first
20:45 wajasu         i breifly did, but i wonder if there is some low level MARC violation that enforces indicators to be a certain way.  i'm going to look at it. i'll probably learn something.
20:44 cait           mveron++ for being awesome
20:44 rangi          not me
20:44 nengard        I hope so ? but not me :)
20:44 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8447 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't save new records / indicator error
20:43 wajasu         anyone looked int bug 8447
20:43 rangi          yep
20:43 wizzyrea       ;)
20:43 wizzyrea       it's cyclical.
20:42 wajasu         dejavu
20:42 wajasu         didn't you guys have this same conversaion a year ago?
20:41 cait           and something else
20:41 cait           there is also bibliotheq I think
20:41 nengard        already emailed them a brief email - but more from the rest of you would be awesome
20:41 cait           french
20:41 rangi          that one
20:41 cait           pmb
20:41 rangi          or is it french?
20:41 cait           that german one?
20:41 rangi          whats that german one?
20:41 cait           senayan maybe
20:41 cait           yeah
20:41 rangi          there's a few now
20:41 rangi          newgenlib
20:41 wizzyrea       what's the one you're thinking of
20:41 wizzyrea       openbiblio or...
20:40 rangi          foss4lib is a much better effort
20:40 rangi          its kinda stink it doesnt mention the other open source ils either
20:40 cait           no, but it makes me sad
20:39 rangi          its not like it's alone in that :)
20:39 rangi          just one more pile of misinformation on the net
20:39 rangi          ah well
20:39 rangi          nope
20:39 rangi          yeah its just a mess really
20:39 cait           doesn't seem like they got the difference
20:39 cait           hm and koha.org links at tech support :(
20:39 rangi          stupid captchas
20:39 rangi          then you can't
20:38 rangi          except if you are blind
20:38 rangi          http://opensource-ils.cci.utk.edu/content/contact-form
20:38 rangi          you should email them corrections :)
20:38 wizzyrea       you got your evergreen on my koha! No you got your koha on my evergreen~
20:38 wahanui        Of course!
20:38 wizzyrea       really.
20:38 cait           hm they got evergreen in the koha faq
20:38 wizzyrea       i'm teasing.
20:38 rangi          heh
20:37 wizzyrea       A for going and fetching all of those logos though.
20:37 rangi          yeah, you'd get a D for that research effort
20:36 wizzyrea       3 main vendors. jeez.
20:35 rangi          yeah frames
20:35 cait           I can't even give you the lin kit seems :(
20:35 cait           koha - koha vendors
20:35 wahanui        Of course!
20:35 cait           really???
20:35 rangi          that's a given really
20:35 cait           3 main vendors
20:35 rangi          well of course
20:35 cait           and only us centric
20:34 rangi          no the main list
20:34 wahanui        koha-devel is probably the best list
20:34 wajasu         koha-devel?
20:33 * rangi        does so
20:33 rangi          and ohh a spammer to bounce off the list
20:33 rangi          thats a pretty lacklustre research effort im afraid (the recent mail to the koha list)
20:32 wajasu         plus the test depended on prexisting biblio and items, which i added to the test.  when i pull a fresh master, i don;t have pre-existing data (just webinstaller ) and i would have to go add biblios to pass the test.
20:31 rangi          probably should fix the pod too
20:31 rangi          right
20:29 wajasu         but it still worked, but they weren't testing expdate and resdat.
20:29 wajasu         now it doesn't
20:28 wajasu         the metric date warning was showing though.
20:28 wajasu         someone added two args in the middle
20:28 wajasu         right, only rthe arguments were misaligned
20:28 rangi          thats why no one picked it up
20:28 rangi          i just got 4 oks
20:27 rangi          yeah but the test wasnt failing
20:27 wajasu         not the functionality, the test was broken.
20:27 rangi          but not failing
20:27 wajasu         thats been broke since 2009. from gitweb trace.
20:26 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve
20:26 wajasu         i got familiar with the test environent by working on bug 8728
20:26 rangi          *sigh*
20:25 rangi          yep
20:24 wajasu         so i see why we need more tests, more integration tests, to flush them out early.
20:23 rangi          git makes that easy
20:23 rangi          up until the freeze there was time to fix those, if they werent fixed by freeze, its best to yank them out
20:23 rangi          also, if i regression was caused, i would revert (paul does too) the feature that caused it
20:23 rangi          gives it about a month to shake out any issues, but yes sign offers should be ready to leap into action if a blocker appears
20:22 rangi          what i tried to do for 3.6 and 3.4 was a hard freeze, then only push bug fixes that are well tested
20:22 rangi          wajasu: ideally it gets less hectic :)
20:21 wajasu         i just wondered how hectic it gets before release time, and if stuff falls on the floor because of little bugs, then us signer offers need to be ready to retest/sign off again. etc.
20:21 magnuse        rangi++ for the stats
20:20 wajasu         ha
20:19 rangi          https://twitter.com/libriotech/statuses/243707897345896448
20:19 rangi          wajasu: thats what happens when you let a math major lose on your project info
20:19 wajasu         golden info. thanks
20:19 rangi          and i vote we follow magnuse suggestion
20:18 rangi          http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/08/14/how-does-a-patch-marked-enhancement-take-to-get-into-master/
20:18 rangi          http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/08/12/how-long-does-a-patch-take-to-make-it-into-master/
20:17 rangi          and the rest of your question can be answered with how long is a piece of string
20:17 rangi          so depends on if bug fixes or enhancements
20:17 rangi          well the feature freeze is before oct 22nd
20:17 wajasu         those helped
20:16 wajasu         will things move pretty quick, by oct 22nd? or nov for 3.10?   or will much of the signed off queue hang around until next year?
20:16 rangi          those might help explain
20:16 rangi          http://koha-community.org/about/release-schedule/
20:14 rangi          http://koha-community.org/roles-koha-3-10-0/
20:14 wahanui        somebody said the qa team was required
20:14 rangi          the qa team
20:13 wajasu         who takes things from signed off to passwd qa?
20:13 rangi          needs signoff everyone should watch
20:13 rangi          signed off is the queue the QA team should watch
20:13 rangi          passed qa is the queue paul should watch
20:12 rangi          back
20:12 wajasu         signed iff query at bottom of bug page: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Signed%20Off&sharer_id=1&list_id=40415
20:12 cait           not sure which queue you are looking at
20:12 cait           paul pushes the passed qa patches, sometimes he sets passed qa too, but we have other people qaing too, the qam and his qaa (assistants)
20:11 wajasu         so those 73 signed off patches are in his queue?
20:10 wajasu         ii was trying to understand what paul said about pushing things next week.
20:10 cait           I am not making sense today - i am starting to get used to it :)
20:10 wizzyrea       or maybe not.
20:10 wizzyrea       i think that's what he meant.
20:09 cait           often passed qa next - without pushing it to a branch
20:09 cait           not necessesarily pushed qa
20:09 wizzyrea       yep
20:08 wajasu         so after signoff comes "Pushed for QA", then another test cycle with a QA lead.  QAM is a tough role to have when eveyone wants their patch in.
20:08 oleonard       Maybe, I haven't really investigated well
20:07 cait           only sticking with yui for now?
20:07 cait           oleonard: what do you think, what options to we have?
20:07 cait           wajasu++
20:04 wajasu         testing is the best way to learn about the codebase,
20:01 rangi          Ok my stop bbiab
20:00 cait           boo.
19:59 oleonard       It seems to leave a lot of the heavy lifting up to the individual developer, lacking built-in handling for some essential features
19:59 rangi          wajasu++ #good testing
19:58 oleonard       The demo is minimal though: http://view.jqueryui.com/master/demos/menu/default.html
19:58 cait           and here is something about ARIA there
19:58 cait           doens't look too bad?
19:58 cait           http://wiki.jqueryui.com/w/page/12137997/Menu
19:57 * oleonard     has no idea why
19:57 oleonard       YUI3 doesn't even have a standalone menu widget anymore!
19:56 cait           and are theere maybe other plugins for jquery we could make use of?
19:56 cait           how did it look?
19:56 oleonard       cait: I confess I got so fed up the other day thinking about the jqueryui menu issue I even looked at YUI3
19:54 cait           else I might have to change all the pull down menus into links for the library
19:54 oleonard       Of course I don't really know, but it seems like the next release is coming soon
19:54 cait           I had hoped it might be better accessible than yui
19:54 cait           oh no :(
19:53 oleonard       cait: At this point it looks like it must be heading for a release with minimal documentation, minimal features. If that's true, it's as useless to us as if it weren't released.
19:53 rangi          Cool I'll write up what I learn
19:53 cait           I would so love to see that in 3.10 - but guess it's not going to happen
19:53 rangi          After watching the crap they have yo deal with to use websites it's the least I can do
19:53 oleonard       Cool. I confess I know nothing about it, but I'd like to learn.
19:53 cait           oleonard: is there news about jquery ui menu maybe?
19:52 cait           :)
19:52 rangi          Just learning how to do it best
19:52 rangi          Oh I'll do it
19:52 oleonard       Is that a wish list kind of thing or does that have some push behind it?
19:51 rangi          And yes oleonard hence that bug
19:51 rangi          But he is used to going to work so his sitter brings him in
19:50 rangi          The dog is someone's who is traveling to countries that aren't friendly to guide dogs
19:50 rangi          He just uses a cane
19:50 cait           cool
19:50 rangi          Nope not his dog
19:50 rangi          No every Friday he sets aside an hour for anyone to talk to him
19:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8712 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , We should use WAI-ARIA guidelines to help with accessibility -OMNIBUS bug
19:49 oleonard       Hence Bug 8712 rangi ?
19:49 cait           is it julius' guide dog?
19:49 rangi          Then visit the guide dog downstairs then beer o'clock
19:49 cait           cornering him at beer o clock?
19:49 cait           hm? :)
19:48 rangi          Which means I get an hour of Julius time to talk about aria tags
19:48 rangi          On the upside it's friday
19:44 rangi          43kmph gust to 80 apparently
19:43 huginn         bag: hankbank was last seen in #koha 1 day, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <hankbank> working on presentation to Future of Libraries conference in SF about Koha at LG needed to talk about IRC as cultural phenom
19:43 bag            @seen hankbank
19:40 rangi          That doesn't mention the nice spring 'breeze'
19:38 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on September 07, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
19:38 rangi          @wunder nzwn
19:33 rangi          Yep good idea
19:32 rangi          I think everyone should be forced to attend owasp day :-)
19:32 wajasu         perm checking might need to be something we double check in test scripts.
19:32 rangi          Never ever trust the browser
19:32 wahanui        what's up, wajasu
19:32 wajasu         hi
19:32 oleonard       Hi rangi
19:32 rangi          Morning btw
19:32 rangi          Ah yeah the perm checks should be done in the script
19:28 wajasu         khall: just FYI. even though permissions are used to hide links, etc (no delete reserve perm).   i was able to still delete a reserve by editing the url action at the top of the browser.
19:19 wajasu         are you hoping
19:19 wajasu         khall: are hoping for 3.10 version?
19:18 khall          excellent! thanks!
19:18 wajasu         ok.  thats all i think i found. :)   great work!
19:17 khall          wajasu, put a note in bugzilla and I'll see what I can do about it.
19:16 wajasu         khall: i can't add/delete reserves as a staff unless i have a manage_courses(add/edit/del) permission [can't navigate to courses.  i can see superlibrarian/admin creating the courses, and others just managing reserves.
19:00 wajasu         ahh  restricted menus :)
18:59 wajasu         thx
18:59 wajasu         yup needed catalogue
18:58 cait           but no guarentees :)
18:58 cait           trying again: catalogue I think
18:58 wajasu         circulate wasn't enough.  trying more.
18:57 cait           oleonard++
18:57 cait           sorry wajasu for misinformation
18:56 wajasu         ok any one will open the door i guess. here goes.
18:56 cait           should have looked at the interface :(
18:55 cait           the other is permissons for staff?
18:55 cait           oh right
18:55 oleonard       Usually for circ staff you'd add circulate, catalogue, borrowers, reserveforothers
18:55 wajasu         that seems to allow delegation of permission assignment
18:54 oleonard       The "staffaccess" one is not the one you want
18:54 wajasu         i see it
18:54 cait           there is one staff access I think
18:54 cait           read through them
18:53 wajasu         circulate?
18:53 wajasu         when i add a staff user, i can't login.  no permission for the staff clinet home page.  which permission do i need to enable?
18:48 mbalmer        more time for sip
18:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Course Reserves
18:37 eythian        bug 8215
18:37 khall          excellent!
18:37 wajasu         khall: almost done testing 8215. checking out permissions. looks promising :)
18:21 wizzyrea       my libraries have been pestering me for that ;)
18:21 wizzyrea       i knew there was a reason I wasn't all over that.
18:20 wizzyrea       er but I'd have to be using 3.8. So, yea no.
18:19 cait           didn't test it
18:19 cait           in theory yes
18:19 eythian        replacementprice rather
18:18 eythian        I should be able to use <<items.replacementcost>> in there
18:18 * wizzyrea     sighs
18:18 wizzyrea       speaking of which I need to put that into nexpress.
18:18 wizzyrea       http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/09/04/add-saved-amount-to-checkout-receipt/
18:18 * wizzyrea     looks for the link
18:17 wizzyrea       well bag did a thing to compute costs for receipts maybe a similar approach would work here?
18:17 cait           <item>... </item> I think, so only in that notice
18:16 eythian        that's what I thought
18:16 cait           you can get all item fields in there
18:16 eythian        cait: no, they really don't make sense
18:16 cait           should be possible
18:16 cait           we can try to explain th eothers to you too :P
18:16 eythian        next thing is to determine if I can get the item replacement cost into there.
18:15 wizzyrea       hehe
18:15 eythian        (which is surprising as the rest of their questions didn't)
18:15 wizzyrea       \o/
18:15 eythian        OK, now it makes sense.
18:15 eythian        yes, that's what it is
18:15 cait           yeah, so 3rd notice is: you didn't bring it back, we are going to make you pay for a replacement
18:15 wizzyrea       you could make it so that the final notice
18:15 wizzyrea       well
18:15 cait           aah
18:14 * cait         still feels like making not much sense today
18:14 eythian        I think they've put it into the overdue rules
18:14 eythian        ahh
18:14 cait           after you searched your shelves and they had some time to find it?
18:14 cait           I think maybe when an item is marked missing for x time, you would put it on lost after that and send them the invoice
18:14 wizzyrea       no, I don't think you can currently use it
18:14 eythian        They have created this, I'm attempting to see if they could use it from anywhere.
18:14 wizzyrea       lol
18:13 cait           like wizzyrea - it makes sense, but I am not sure koha can do something with it :)
18:13 eythian        I'm trying to work out what the client was thinking
18:13 wahanui        "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
18:13 wizzyrea       the first question?
18:13 wizzyrea       also you'd want to be able to (eventually) designate whether you wanted all lost items for that patron for all time, paid or not, or just the ones currently outstanding.
18:13 cait           whichmodule did they add it to?
18:13 cait           I haven't heard about it
18:13 cait           I am not sure it's an existing feature
18:13 eythian        how does that work?
18:12 wizzyrea       through fines
18:12 eythian        but how would you access it?
18:12 wizzyrea       I can certainly see the utility of that
18:12 eythian        It doesn't seem to be referenced in the code
18:11 eythian        is there somewhere that would allow you to use that.
18:11 eythian        can someone tell me if it would make sense at any time to create a custom notice called 'INV' that is an invoice for lost items?
18:11 cait           where we could put it
18:11 cait           but I am not sur eif I have a good idea
18:11 cait           yeah
18:11 wizzyrea       it could be more prominent ;)
18:11 cait           hm.
18:11 cait           ah right
18:11 wizzyrea       sorry "worldwide in libraries of all sizes"
18:10 wizzyrea       under about "in use by libraries worldwide"
18:10 wizzyrea       oh, actually it's already linked from there
18:10 wizzyrea       well we could do it under About
18:09 cait           was looking it up :)
18:09 cait           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide
18:09 wizzyrea       :)
18:09 wizzyrea       if not it's cool I'll look it up
18:09 wizzyrea       just thought you might have it handy
18:09 wizzyrea       do you have the link?
18:09 * wizzyrea     is impossibly lazy
18:09 cait           but from where? hm
18:09 wizzyrea       we could, sure
18:09 cait           maybe we could?
18:09 cait           hm
18:08 wizzyrea       oh, the wiki page. no, we don't
18:08 cait           ah
18:08 wizzyrea       clearly not, since I don't know what that is.
18:08 cait           people at the workshop didn't know about the page in the wiki
18:08 wizzyrea       users list.
18:08 cait           wizzyrea: do we link to the users list from the homepage somewhere?
18:08 wizzyrea       hehe
18:08 eythian        so really the point is now moot.
18:08 eythian        I realised however that their request made no sense
18:07 eythian        wizzyrea: yeah, I think that's it
18:07 cait           <big hugs back>
18:07 cait           aww
18:07 wizzyrea       hi cait <big hugs>
18:07 cait           hi wizzyrea :)
18:07 cait           I thought he was, but he doesn't tell :P
18:06 wizzyrea       is that what you are talking about?
18:06 wizzyrea       oh wait - do you have the syspref on for "email librarian when hold is placed"
18:06 wizzyrea       neither
18:06 cait           I am not sure about those, we don't use them
18:05 cait           hm you mean the holds that go to the library?
18:03 eythian        under what circumstance is a hold email generated? Is it just when the hold is placed via the OPAC, or also when through the staff interface?
17:24 gaetan_B       bye!
16:32 ago43          okay.  I saw that bug, but didn't make the connection so filed a new one.  Thanks!
16:32 eythian        marked the bug as a dup because it probably is.
16:30 jcamins        So you saved ago43 a romp through Bugzilla. :)
16:30 ago43          lemme check that.
16:30 eythian        ah right
16:29 jcamins        eythian: however, I didn't have the bug number, so "getting there" was actually going to involve me telling ago43 to look in Bugzilla to find a fix you did.
16:29 eythian        heh OK
16:29 jcamins        eythian: I was getting there.
16:28 jcamins        ago43: you can confirm this by removing the punctuation and space at the end of one of the searches.
16:28 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8646 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Certain search terms cause browser "script taking too long" error
16:28 eythian        jcamins: bug 8646
16:27 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8736 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Series searching causes script error
16:27 jcamins        ago43: bug 8736 is probably caused by the punctuation at the end of the series facets.
15:55 eythian        yeah, I just read it. Looks busy :)
15:52 oleonard       The patch is really shaping up thanks to khall's hard work
15:51 eythian        thanks, we've had a client sitting on considering that for quite some time
15:50 oleonard       It modifies the process for both operations
15:50 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
15:50 oleonard       Bug 7067
15:50 eythian        or was it just updating their own details?
15:50 eythian        did I see something about allowing borrowers to sign up from the OPAC?
15:48 eythian        goodness, looks like we have a 3.6 -> 3.8 upgrade happening in a day's worth of work, including a staging deploy for testing. That's nice and smooth.
15:47 eythian        how sordid.
15:46 drojf          lol
15:45 * oleonard     turns on Def Leppard and readies the sugar bowl
15:44 * drojf        needs sugar
15:38 eythian        they came crying back when no one was visiting them
15:37 drojf          yes and then all turned back to normal pretty soon :D
15:37 eythian        and google did kick them all out
15:37 drojf          i think belgium
15:37 eythian        there was somewhere else (france maybe?) that happened
15:37 drojf          i hope they get ignored everywhere. google should not list them AT ALL, kick them out of their whole services. i think they did that before
15:35 wizzyrea       poorly.
15:35 drojf          because they are really oldschool, missed new technical opportunities and fight everything that is happening
15:35 wizzyrea       that seems nuts, how are they going to enforce that.
15:35 wizzyrea       maybe they should write the first paragraph in such a way that I'll be inclined to click on it to read it :P
15:34 wizzyrea       well that is a legislative antifeature if I've ever seen one.
15:34 drojf          you can link. but if you are eg. google and have something like a snippet of the news and the link, it's too much already i think. german publiushers are idiots and think they deserve money for that
15:33 wizzyrea       so like you can't link to the NYtimes without paying them, for example?
15:33 drojf          i would assume google news kicking out all of them
15:32 drojf          it's really strange
15:32 drojf          i think it only applies to content industry that wants to be compensated somehow. they excluded bloggers in the end
15:32 wizzyrea       I suppose they should license their content appropriately in that case
15:32 drojf          jcamins: it's called "leistungsschutzrecht" and it's complete bullsh…craziness
15:32 wizzyrea       what if they don't want to be paid?
15:31 jcamins        drojf: seriously?
15:31 wizzyrea       O.o
15:31 drojf          interesting service. would probably be DOA in germany due to our great new law forbidding internet companies the "stealing" (quoting) of snippets (and linking to the original page) without paying the source
15:30 * mtompset     waves, "Off to dreamland. Hopefully waking up = mostly indexed."
15:29 wizzyrea       it's a pretty new service
15:28 wizzyrea       ^^ because no api when I was looking at it weeks and weeks ago
15:28 jcamins        drojf: wizzyrea was just using a link.
15:27 jcamins        No, the API already had ISBN.
15:27 wizzyrea       but I'm glad they built that in. And I suppose it's possible that they built that in since last night :)
15:27 drojf          jcamins: what do you mean by "only"? would that not be used for a implementation in koha?
15:27 wizzyrea       oh right, yea, I knew that part - the way I was doing it wasn't through the api though (because it didn't exist when I was last looking at it)
15:26 jcamins        drojf: that's API only.
15:26 wizzyrea       woot!
15:25 drojf          wizzyrea: the api page of idreambooks already has ISBN? "{keywords} in the above URI is the search query. It can be any of the following: Book Title and/or Author ISBN (10 or 13)"
15:25 libsysguy      its hard to keep up with lol
15:25 libsysguy      and I keep seeing if bracketing all over the place
15:24 libsysguy      I am just reading files for writing unit tests
15:24 libsysguy      right
15:24 eythian        (but, do it as a separate patch)
15:24 jcamins        If indentation is so screwed up it gets in the way of the development, fix whatever you have to, with the goal being as little as possible.
15:24 eythian        libsysguy: I tend to perltidy the function I'm working on, if it's bad.
15:24 jcamins        Perltidy one file at a time, in a patch that is nothing but perltidy.
15:24 libsysguy      i try to
15:23 oleonard       libsysguy: Fix indentation of lines you are otherwise changing
15:23 libsysguy      ugh
15:23 jcamins        Destroys history, limited value.
15:23 jcamins        No.
15:23 jcamins        libsysguy: already discussed.
15:23 libsysguy      can we make a script do it
15:23 libsysguy      has a vote for the next meeting, properly tabbing files
15:22 eythian        just bring a tin of paint
15:22 * wizzyrea     makes a note to stock up on sunscreen
15:20 oleonard       And they should make a handy spray to make it go away
15:20 eythian        it'll never catch on.
15:20 jcamins        It has a nice ring.
15:20 * jcamins      thinks we should call it an "ozone layer."
15:19 eythian        It's like there's some kind of invisible protective shield in the sky
15:19 eythian        I do like how I pretty much can't get sunburnt in this part of the world.
15:18 * wizzyrea     nods knowingly
15:18 wizzyrea       eythian++
15:18 wahanui        sunspots are what you get from staring at the sun for too long
15:18 wizzyrea       sunspots.
15:18 wahanui        OK, eythian.
15:18 eythian        wahanui: sunspots are \what you get from staring at the sun for too long
15:18 wahanui        eythian: wish i knew
15:18 eythian        wahanui: sunspots are what you get from staring at the sun for too long
15:18 jcamins        I'm going to have to go with static buildup.
15:18 trea           the earth's magnetic pull is pretty strong today
15:17 wizzyrea       sunspots.
15:17 wahanui        jcamins: Daemons did it
15:17 jcamins        excuse?
15:17 trea           oh yea, i hadn't considered that. :P
15:17 eythian        it could also be static buildup.
15:17 trea           ^^
15:17 wizzyrea       ^^ this
15:17 wahanui        eythian: static buildup
15:17 eythian        wahanui: excuse?
15:17 jcamins        Ooh, wait. It could also be a reverse proxy in front of the server.
15:17 wizzyrea       and/or similar internal networks
15:16 trea           right, makes sense
15:16 wizzyrea       and what I'm trying to get at - is "do they have the same firewall setup at each branch"
15:16 wizzyrea       all managed by the same IT department or multiple IT departments?
15:16 trea           all good suggestions however
15:15 trea           IP changes are definitely something i've witnessed before. this is happening to multiple branches connecting to the same server on different ISPs, so i doubt addressing is to blame
15:15 wizzyrea       ^^ is probably the issue.
15:15 wizzyrea       oo yea, dynamic addressing
15:14 jcamins        IP changes.
15:14 wizzyrea       time and date wrong on the computer
15:14 wizzyrea       not keeping cookies
15:13 trea           are there any other settings that would affect a session timeout besides the koha syspref?
15:13 eythian        ah right, that's what I've been seeing then
15:13 wizzyrea       eythian: http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-09-05#i_1068318
15:12 jcamins        Item type images on the search results page *kill* performance.
15:12 eythian        I've seen that going through our internal systems a bit lately
15:12 * jcamins      thinks that injecting the item type image URL directly into the record at indexing time would be a better option.
15:12 eythian        wizzyrea: what's that about 942 itype images?
15:11 * jcamins      considers.
15:11 * jcamins      thinks that making item type images *always* bib-level on the search page might meet the users' needs, without painful modifications to the XSLT.
15:10 * wizzyrea     bounces and squees
15:10 * wizzyrea     is so proud
15:10 wizzyrea       sounds like you guys had an epic and fruitful conversation with the idreambooks guy!
15:09 * wizzyrea     just read the logs
15:09 wizzyrea       oh and we've wanted that thing rangi was talking about re: 942 itype images for AGES.
15:09 kf             bye all :)
15:06 mtompset       Still prickly, rambutan? ;)
15:05 jcamins        Hehe.
15:05 wizzyrea       always too slow.
15:05 wizzyrea       bye!
15:05 reiveune       bye
15:05 wizzyrea       I like how the IRC stat generator picked out my single pithy quote of the day yesterday.
15:02 wizzyrea       I really ought to go read the logs eh
15:02 wizzyrea       woot!
15:02 jcamins        They'll be adding the ISBN access.
15:02 wizzyrea       love. that. idea.
15:02 wizzyrea       but I love the idea of real reviews from critics in the catalog.
15:01 wizzyrea       if it's one they have though, it's always #1
15:01 wizzyrea       best I was able to do in the short time I looked at it, was to get to the search results.
15:01 wizzyrea       idreambooks doesn't let you query by isbn, so it's hard to get the exact book
14:59 wizzyrea       sorry, it really had to be preserved for posterity
14:59 wizzyrea       Curse you, Monty Python!
14:59 wizzyrea       [09:56am] jcamins:
14:59 huginn         wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #216 added.
14:59 wizzyrea       @quote add <jcamins> I'm cataloging something by Horace Walpole, and I feel an *overwhelming* urge to A) have some cheese, and B) tell people that I am engaged in "Walpoling activities."
14:59 wizzyrea       http://screencast.com/t/zjS98Iv39Gx
14:59 jcamins        Curse you, Monty Python!
14:59 jcamins        I'm cataloging something by Horace Walpole, and I feel an *overwhelming* urge to A) have some cheese, and B) tell people that I am engaged in "Walpoling activities."
14:58 wizzyrea       what is terrible
14:58 wizzyrea       terrible?
14:58 jcamins        This is terrible.
14:57 jcamins        You'd have to screen scrape.
14:57 jcamins        Yeah, the readometer isn't available via API yet.
14:57 wizzyrea       not the readometer tho
14:57 wizzyrea       I think i did that
14:57 jcamins        Yeah, I suggested using jQuery for a mockup.
14:56 wizzyrea       lms if I can find it
14:56 wizzyrea       that added just a link to their reviews
14:56 jcamins        Also NYT reviews.
14:56 wizzyrea       actually, I did a simple thing
14:55 wizzyrea       that's what they told me too
14:55 jcamins        I'm more interested in seeing the NYRB reviews from a year ago.
14:55 wizzyrea       that's what I am hoping
14:55 jcamins        And s/he said they were adding in more content, so maybe we'll see the archives fleshed out more?
14:55 wizzyrea       and let's be honest here - do you really need a review of 1960 edition of hamlet?
14:54 wizzyrea       but. new books become old books in time.
14:54 jcamins        Yeah, definite downside.
14:54 wizzyrea       their reviews are mostly collected for new books, which is really the only downside
14:53 jcamins        I was pushing for them to include a link to the readometer in their API.
14:53 * jcamins      too.
14:53 wizzyrea       I really like the "readometer"
14:52 * oleonard     grumps
14:52 jcamins        Works for me.
14:52 wizzyrea       ohhhhhh THAT is pretty wicked, actually
14:52 wizzyrea       it opens in my libreoffice
14:52 wahanui        jcamins: what?
14:52 jcamins        wahanui: no surprise there!
14:51 wahanui        Powerpoint is dying on me :(
14:51 jcamins        Powerpoint?
14:51 * oleonard     can't open the Powerpoint file attached to the bug in LibreOffice
14:50 mtompset       Though, when I hear "development assistance" I sometimes think money. ;)
14:49 wizzyrea       pretty cool that they took me up on it
14:49 jcamins        wizzyrea: I know. I thought it was Greg, but s/he implicated you. :)
14:48 wizzyrea       yea that was my doing, I contacted them
14:48 oleonard       That's a good sign.
14:48 jcamins        oleonard: I didn't read the bug. S/he was asking how to go about submitting a patch to Koha.
14:47 oleonard       jcamins: "willing to provide development assistance" doesn't exactly sound like "We will submit a patch"
14:47 halfie         websense is crap and it can't dissect SSH traffic over port 443
14:46 * mtompset     laughs.
14:46 oleonard       Glad to hear that ban is working out halfie  ;)
14:46 mtompset       Geography really wasn't the intent of the question. ;)
14:46 halfie         IRC is banned at work , hence have to use another host for my IRC fix ;)
14:46 jcamins        S/he filed a bug and is hoping to integrate their review stuff into Koha.
14:45 oleonard       jcamins: I saw the bug report, that's pretty cool to get that kind of interest
14:45 wizzyrea       ohhh coool
14:44 eythian        mtompset: he's using an Amazon EC2 server as an IRC shell, and is based in the US I'd expect.
14:44 jcamins        wizzyrea: someone from idreambooks came around yesterday evening.
14:44 halfie         mtompset: i am using a amazon ec2 host :)
14:43 mtompset       eythian++ # on the quick reply and find. :)
14:42 eythian        use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_base64);
14:42 mtompset       amazonaws.com? Where are you coming from, halfie?
14:42 eythian        yeah, I think it uses base64_md5 or something along those lines
14:41 halfie         eythian: cool, I will verify if it is md5, the data seems to be base64
14:41 eythian        I have plans to replace it with salted bcrypt one day
14:40 eythian        halfie: not sure, I think it's simple md5 at the moment.
14:40 halfie         md5, how many rounds?
14:40 halfie         eythian: which hashing algorithm is being used currently?
14:40 kf             didn't knwo the word :)
14:40 kf             sorry,
14:40 kf             ah, crdentials
14:40 eythian        kf: not credentials it doesn't
14:39 eythian        and yes, hashed, albeit without salting which is something I want to fix
14:39 kf             and patron_attributes if you use that functionality
14:39 eythian        halfie: borrowers
14:38 halfie         hi, in which table does koha store user credentials? (hashed I hope).
14:36 mtompset       So, I may not have to leave instructions on how to skip 3.8.x ;)
14:36 mtompset       I might be able to track this indexing mess down.
14:35 mtompset       Yes, but you knew of it.
14:35 mtompset       wizzyrea++ # thanks for the marc definitions.
14:35 mtompset       jcamins++ # thanks for some bug report links.
14:35 eythian        not me, I didn't write it :)
14:35 mtompset       eythian++ # thanks for the script.
14:34 mtompset       Well, this has been quite helpful.
14:32 mtompset       It went down, but nothing below 150MB free.
14:32 mtompset       It didn't dip.
14:32 mtompset       I was watching it like a hawk.
14:32 wizzyrea       but it would usually tell you if that was the case
14:31 wizzyrea       out of memory maybe?
14:31 mtompset       so at least more blocks should be reindexed next run.
14:31 mtompset       Yes, this process will take more than the five minute trigger on the reindex call.
14:31 eythian        do that anyway :)
14:31 eythian        oh right.
14:30 eythian        <eythian> I have had weird things where records wouldn't index, and then later they did. I never figured out what was happening there.
14:30 eythian        that's why I said: <eythian> also, let that script go and reindex all it can, and then see what happens
14:30 mtompset       Nevermind... the counter confused me. :)
14:30 mtompset       That's weird... 19000 was indexed?!
14:29 eythian        no
14:29 mtompset       so does the koha-rebuild-zebra script use the sliced script?
14:28 wizzyrea       (as long as it's 40)
14:27 wizzyrea       so yes, should be ok :P
14:27 wizzyrea       . Character positions that are not defined contain a blank (#).
14:27 mtompset       I'm not going to count then. It probably is okay.
14:26 eythian        not too likely to upset zebra, anyway
14:26 jcamins        If that's exactly 40 characters, it's an okay gap.
14:26 wizzyrea       are spaces valid for that?
14:25 wizzyrea       right - the question is, is that an ok gap or a not ok gap?
14:25 eythian        at least, not too unexpected
14:25 eythian        40 characters wide means that a big gap is OK
14:25 jcamins        I'm not going to say it's "normal," but it's not surprising.
14:25 eythian        actually, it is helpful :)
14:24 wizzyrea       not helpful, huginn.
14:24 huginn         wizzyrea: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. []
14:24 wizzyrea       @marc 008
14:24 eythian        hmm, not sure. You'd have to look up the spec for that field
14:24 mtompset       large gap.
14:23 mtompset       <controlfield tag="008">050804s1957                  001 0 eng d</controlfield>
14:23 eythian        huh?
14:21 mtompset       Is a large gap normal?
14:21 mtompset       Hmmm.... where's the definition the 008?
14:20 eythian        I'd try the reindexing again
14:20 mtompset       Okay... no errors.
14:19 jcamins        Don't use --valid
14:18 mtompset       I don't see an option that is that clear.
14:17 mtompset       not sure how to skip it.
14:16 jcamins        You may want to do DTD checking eventually, but usually the problem is a lot more fundamental than that.
14:15 jcamins        Skip DTD checking.
14:15 mtompset       validation failed no DTD?
14:12 eythian        libxml2-utils
14:12 eythian        install it?
14:11 mtompset       can't find it.
14:11 mtompset       xmllint?
14:10 eythian        I have had weird things where records wouldn't index, and then later they did. I never figured out what was happening there.
14:10 eythian        also, let that script go and reindex all it can, and then see what happens
14:10 eythian        mtompset: also check the ones above and around it, just in case
14:10 mtompset       I'll check.
14:09 eythian        mtompset: does xmllint see anything wrong?
14:09 eythian        ...how?
14:09 rambutan       yea
14:09 eythian        my thesis?
14:09 mtompset       I don't see anything wrong.
14:09 mtompset       I did a "SELECT marcxml from biblioitems where biblionumber=#"
14:09 rambutan       I was just reading
14:09 eythian        I used them in my thesis
14:08 rambutan       Skekel's Foxholes.  I need to go back to school.
14:04 eythian        don't use any abstraction when doing this, or you'll get mislead.
14:04 eythian        that's what's being indexed, that's where the problem is likely to be
14:03 eythian        have a look at the marcxml
14:03 mtompset       I see 0,2,3,6 and 9.
14:03 mtompset       The only thing strange is the number of tabs in the MARC view.
14:02 eythian        yeah, it's usually something strange like a chopped-in-half record
14:02 jcamins        eythian: and so far rebuild_zebra is being run with -x.
14:01 jcamins        Usually you can *see* the problem, though.
14:01 eythian        there's also marclint, but it's very picky
14:01 mtompset       the marcxml field?
14:01 jcamins        You could run it through xmllint to start.
14:00 mtompset       So how do I tell what is bad about the record?
13:59 jcamins        The 952 is generated on the fly when indexing.
13:59 jcamins        Of course not.
13:59 mtompset       There's no 952.
13:59 eythian        in theory though, after a couple of runs of that script, you should end up with only the ones that are problematic not in the index
13:58 * mtompset     nods.
13:58 eythian        but check them both to be sure
13:57 eythian        probably 18369
13:57 mtompset       Does that mean there is an error on 18368 or 18369?
13:57 mtompset       not indexed.
13:57 mtompset       Okay... so here's the question: the first thing listed is 18369 as not listed.
13:56 eythian        which would cause you to have a lot not indexed.
13:56 eythian        after all, <eythian> mtompset: often things like that cause zebra to give up and not finish the reindex
13:56 eythian        oh right
13:56 mtompset       I suppose I should put that other option.
13:55 mtompset       I just used -c
13:55 eythian        and when it's settled down, run it again and see what got missed.
13:54 mtompset       oh there's the whack load not indexed.
13:53 mtompset       Running now.
13:53 mtompset       magnuse++
13:53 eythian        yarp
13:52 magnuse        if i'm not mistaken
13:51 magnuse        /etc/koha/sites/x/koha-conf.xml where x is the name of the instance
13:51 mtompset       what should KOHA_CONF be for packages?
13:51 magnuse        ooh, bilbonumber
13:51 mtompset       missing other variable.
13:50 mtompset       so I set it.
13:50 mtompset       my PERL5LIB was empty.
13:50 mtompset       I'm having difficulties running the script on 3.8.4
13:49 jcamins        Zee shell vee vant you to use?
13:49 eythian        I don't know what the z stands for
13:48 slef           eythian: zsh = zealot shell?
13:47 mtompset       source is good.
13:47 mtompset       if the source is bad.
13:47 jcamins        When rebuilding, I believe so.
13:47 mtompset       just checking data source.
13:47 jcamins        mtompset: if the problem is with the data in 3.8.4, wouldn't it make more sense to run the script there first?
13:47 mtompset       biblionumber order?
13:46 mtompset       Does zebra index in bilibonumber order?
13:46 mtompset       running the script on 3.6.3
13:44 jcamins        eythian: nor do I.
13:42 eythian        I don't know why that's written in ZSH, we have Perl...
13:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7286 enhancement, P2, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Stable , Introduce rebuild_zebra_sliced.zsh to recursively rebuild zebra & be error proof
13:41 eythian        jcamins: that's bug 7286
13:40 jcamins        6566 will also be useful.
13:40 jcamins        Oh, I thought you meant rebuild_zebra_sliced.somethingweird.
13:39 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , Checking if DB records are properly indexed
13:39 eythian        Bug 6566
13:39 jcamins        .somethingweird
13:39 mtompset       About half indexed now.
13:39 jcamins        rebuild_zebra_sliced.
13:39 eythian        I'm trying to find it
13:39 mtompset       what script are you talking about?
13:38 eythian        the biblibre script will help
13:38 mtompset       Methodology?
13:38 oleonard       It's not hard if you try
13:38 mtompset       I can believe we have a flakey record.
13:37 mtompset       That's the problem. Pinning it down.
13:37 eythian        although, if you have a flaky record, you'll still want to pin it down and fix it.
13:37 mtompset       Might as well give that a shot.
13:36 huginn         gmcharlt: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one does not bask in the Potomac River basin...you melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011)
13:36 gmcharlt       @quote random
13:36 eythian        mtompset: tried it with '-u'?
13:36 wahanui        jcamins: non-redundant fan failure
13:36 jcamins        excuse?
13:36 kf             :D
13:36 mtompset       Thanks. :)
13:36 wahanui        kf: Daemons loose in system.
13:36 kf             excuse?
13:36 kf             ah TM... translation manager
13:36 mtompset       What is TM?
13:36 * druthb       perks.
13:36 wahanui        i heard kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
13:36 jcamins        kf?
13:35 wahanui        rumour has it druthb is wanting to be the TM for 3.12.  Now we know she's crazy
13:35 kf             druthb?
13:35 jcamins        Okay, that looks correct.
13:35 mtompset       and yes, a sudo to.
13:35 mtompset       I also tried -b -a -f -v
13:34 mtompset       For the packages.
13:34 mtompset       koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v library
13:34 jcamins        How did you reindex the 3.8.4 installation?
13:34 jcamins        Yes, and not applicable to a package installation.
13:33 eythian        err, have you *done* a full reindex, I meant
13:33 mtompset       Ugly isn't it? :)
13:33 wahanui        that is pulled from the fields
13:33 jcamins        mtompset: what the heck is that?
13:33 mtompset       We started with 512MB... This was the only way to get it to work.
13:32 eythian        Also, have you don't a full reindex?
13:32 eythian        what on earth are you doing with that crontab?
13:32 mtompset       How would L2 Cache be the problem?
13:31 mtj            no… seriosuly!
13:31 pastebot       "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "3.6.3 reindex" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/155
13:31 eythian        heh
13:31 mtj            could this be a problem?
13:31 mtj            can i just interject... how about L2 cache here?
13:30 wahanui        paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
13:30 mtompset       paste?
13:29 mtompset       Let me grab the crontab script.
13:29 mtompset       Okay.
13:29 jcamins        Zebra works only with data out of biblioitems.marcxml and items.*
13:29 eythian        (exactly)
13:29 eythian        mtompset: what are you using to do a reindex?
13:29 jcamins        It has nothing to do with MySQL.
13:28 mtompset       That's why I was asking about 246$a and such... so I could query the MySQL directly to confirm.
13:28 eythian        Oh, it's definitely a microelectronic Riemannian curved-space fault in write-only file system
13:28 mtompset       But the results in 3.6.3 look correct.
13:27 eythian        http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ballard/bofh/bofhserver.pl <-- this'll explain why
13:27 eythian        oh, or sith lords.
13:26 eythian        cosmic rays
13:26 oleonard       mtompset: The influence of a Sith lord?
13:26 eythian        it happens
13:26 jcamins        I have no idea.
13:26 eythian        have you noticed that the ones the new version returns tend to be the lower biblio numbers?
13:26 mtompset       how could it be corrupted?!
13:26 jcamins        Like, *very* corrupted data.
13:26 jcamins        mtompset: sounds like you have corrupted data.
13:26 eythian        mtompset: often things like that cause zebra to give up and not finish the reindex
13:26 jcamins        oleonard: oooh. I don't think so.
13:25 mtompset       [warn] d1: 1: Malformed tag
13:25 oleonard       Like instead of explicitly listing choices in the .pref file, put <<borrower.category>> and have them automatically display
13:25 mtompset       [warn] Couldn't read whole MARC record
13:25 jcamins        oleonard: how do you mean?
13:24 wahanui        irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
13:24 mtompset       irc logs?
13:24 mtompset       Can't find in scroll back...
13:24 oleonard       Is there a method in place for automatically displaying option in system preferences like patron category? Like placeholders in guided reports?
13:23 jcamins        Which warnings?
13:23 mtompset       Well, "warnings".
13:23 mtompset       Another piece of information. While doing reindexing on the 3.8.4 I hit two types of errors.
13:23 mtompset       Yes.
13:23 jcamins        Kaizen: don't start over, start small.
13:23 libsysguy      but I agree there is a lot of other stuff that needs to be fixed in the working Koha first lol
13:22 libsysguy      i'll just end up starting over
13:22 libsysguy      I haven't worked on my catalyst stuff in a long time
13:22 jcamins        Do you find the records that aren't showing up in that search using other searches?
13:22 mtj            libsysguy, i wouldnt bother yet… its a distraction
13:21 mtompset       I chose "opposite" because it had such a small number of records in the 3.6.3
13:21 mtompset       for other specific "title:word" searches, yes. But vastly different.
13:20 jcamins        mtompset: odd. I can't really troubleshoot, being working on non-Koha things today, but are you seeing any results?
13:20 libsysguy      if that would be ok?
13:20 libsysguy      now that I have a better direction to work in
13:20 libsysguy      I thought about seeing if I could integrate this into my catalyst work
13:19 mtj            (but not ready for a github push yet)
13:19 mtompset       but title:opposite isn't giving the same results.
13:19 mtj            libsysguy, -> http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=dev1/.git;a=summary
13:18 mtompset       Both fully reindexed.
13:18 mtompset       same data.
13:18 libsysguy      we all do mtompset
13:18 mtompset       Transplanting 3.6.3 tarball to 3.8.4 packages.
13:18 mtompset       I'm having Zebra headaches.
13:18 libsysguy      mtj did you post the sauce?
13:18 jcamins        Nothing to do with the database.
13:18 jcamins        Ah.
13:17 jcamins        Koha would be a darn useless ILS if it didn't handle alternate access points.
13:17 mtompset       But 3.8.4 isn't grabbing it for some reason.
13:17 libsysguy      I didn't know if you were paying out the nose for bandwidth :p
13:17 mtj            (i haven't worked on it since..)
13:17 libsysguy      mtj I was afraid to ping it
13:17 jcamins        246 is alternate title.
13:17 jcamins        mtompset: of course it does.
13:17 mtompset       ^out^our^
13:17 mtompset       Because it seems like out 3.6.3 system searches 246$a
13:17 mtj            libsysguy, my bootstrap thing is still up -> http://dev1.kohaaloha.com
13:16 oleonard       and "Have you seen 'Keyword to MARC mapping yet?'
13:16 mtompset       title:opposite
13:16 mtompset       Explain why results showed up in my search.
13:15 wahanui        "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
13:15 jcamins        first question?
13:15 jcamins        I think you're asking the wrong question.
13:15 jcamins        245$b.
13:14 mtompset       What's the title continuation one?
13:14 jcamins        There's a patch relating to that.
13:14 jcamins        245$b, and not stored in the database.
13:13 mtompset       So, where are the subtitles?
13:13 jcamins        mtompset: and that is a good thing.
13:13 jcamins        mtompset: there is not.
13:13 libsysguy      yeah my poor head works like that too, only with less librarian :p
13:13 libsysguy      remember how sekjal used to get going on a topic and before you know it he was talking about RDA or something
13:13 mtompset       Can anyone tell me if there is a field in the koha db related to 246$a?
13:12 druthb         he does that a lot.  Youthful exuberance.
13:12 libsysguy      I just fell down the rabbit hole
13:12 libsysguy      oh there's not oleonard
13:12 mtompset       Greetings, tcohen, mveron, mtj, jcamins, and anyone that I missed. :)
13:12 * mveron       waves back :-)
13:11 * magnuse      waves to tcohen and mveron and mtj
13:11 jcamins        It pokes back, and refuses to work.
13:11 * jcamins      pokes his NIC.
13:11 jcamins        Speaking of pointy sticks...
13:11 mveron         hi #koha
13:11 tcohen         hi #koha
13:11 oleonard       libsysguy: I think Bootstrap is interesting too but I don't see the connection between "how do we handle js and css assets sensibly" and "a css framework would help"
13:11 mtj            im about... ;)
13:11 * druthb       gets out the pointy stick.
13:11 libsysguy      just like jcamins :p
13:11 libsysguy      slacker
13:10 magnuse        probably asleep
13:09 libsysguy      mtj you around?
13:08 libsysguy      I wonder how it is going
13:08 libsysguy      I had seen that
13:07 oleonard       mtj was working on a Bootstrap version of the OPAC
13:06 libsysguy      oleonard: it seems like it might be a viable one
13:03 magnuse        eythian: looks (very) good to me!
13:03 oleonard       Bootstrap seems to be trying to become an alternative to jqueryUI
13:02 libsysguy      or bootstrap ;)
13:02 libsysguy      it would probably help to use a css framework as well
13:02 oleonard       Rename to jquery-ui.css
13:02 oleonard       jcamins: Grab the jquery-ui-*.css file from /css/smoothness/
13:01 jcamins        What about the CSS?
13:01 oleonard       You're right it would really simplify handling assets like jqueryUI
13:01 libsysguy      great minds think alike oleonard
13:00 oleonard       As was I libsysguy, when I filed that bug in 2008 ;)
13:00 libsysguy      I was thinking about the way drupal handles mult http requests
13:00 libsysguy      heh
13:00 eythian        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Covers_from_multiple_sources_RFC#Work_To_Be_Done <-- magnuse, am I missing anything obvious?
12:59 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1918 enhancement, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Minify JavaScript and CSS
12:59 oleonard       libsysguy: We can't because no one has finished Bug 1918 :P
12:59 libsysguy      when I wanted to use dialog you have to move those over as well
12:59 libsysguy      another issue I has was the images
12:59 oleonard       Rename to jquery-ui.css
12:59 libsysguy      instead of mashing them all into one can't we do on the fly minification
12:59 oleonard       jcamins: And the jquery-ui-*.css file from /css/smoothness/
12:58 wahanui        i heard yeah that was fine as it is
12:58 libsysguy      yeah that
12:58 oleonard       Rename to jquery-ui.js
12:58 oleonard       jcamins: The jquery-ui-*.js file from /js/
12:58 jcamins        :)
12:58 * jcamins      has a *great* reason for sortable.
12:58 libsysguy      actually if you wanted to do it that way oleonard why not load them as seperate minified files
12:57 jcamins        (I mean, the files included)
12:57 oleonard       libsysguy: No sense trying to use them all without good reasons
12:57 jcamins        It looks completely different from what we have currently.
12:57 oleonard       jcamins: Oh sorry
12:57 libsysguy      well I think eventually it'd be nice to use them all
12:57 jcamins        oleonard: no, that's not what I meant. I generated a custom ZIP with just those components, but it has a gazillion files.
12:57 oleonard       No sense loading assets we don't use in Koha code.
12:57 oleonard       libsysguy: I hoped to keep it as trim as possible
12:57 libsysguy      heh
12:57 libsysguy      well thats what I wanted
12:57 libsysguy      oh
12:56 oleonard       jcamins: Although currently they're ALL in there. :| Not what I wanted.
12:56 libsysguy      why can't we just go ahead and load that whole jquery-ui.js file
12:56 oleonard       The wiki lists them jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Using_jQueryUI_widgets
12:56 libsysguy      serious question
12:55 jcamins        oleonard: which files are needed from the custom jQueryUI zip?
12:55 kf             magnuse: magic!
12:54 magnuse        see, if you wish hard anough and wait long enough, jcamins appears!
12:54 libsysguy      heh
12:54 jcamins        Were you here two hours ago? I think not!
12:54 jcamins        Hey, now.
12:54 magnuse        \o
12:54 libsysguy      about damn time jcamins
12:54 oleonard       Hi passel of ByWaterians. And jcamins too!
12:53 * jcamins      is here.
12:53 druthb         o/
12:49 pastebot       "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Clean up your database for re-testing Bug 7067" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/154
12:48 * oleonard     is re-testing now
12:48 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , allow patron self registration via the opac
12:48 magnuse        hooray for all the work on Bug 7067!
12:33 magnuse        heh
12:33 wahanui        somebody said jcamins_away was probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
12:33 magnuse        jcamins_away?
12:33 magnuse        hehe
12:32 kf             red shoes needed?
12:32 kf             hehe
12:32 magnuse        if you wish hard enough...
12:32 kf             don't trust his away messages
12:32 eythian        This'll also be the incentive I need to build CHI
12:32 kf             was trying to summon him
12:32 eythian        I would, but he's away :)
12:32 kf             eythian: maybe ask jcamins_away? :)
12:30 eythian        Perhaps Fastmmap would do it
12:30 eythian        ah well, I think it'll still be useful.
12:30 magnuse        oh
12:29 eythian        in a default, non-persistent/non-memcached setup, it would effectively do no caching I think
12:29 eythian        actually, koha::cache doesn't choose how to cache things for the most part
12:28 * eythian      grumps
12:28 eythian        still should be documented.
12:28 eythian        Oh, I see, it comes from the submodules
12:27 eythian        although the docs for that don't say what 'cache_type' should be, just that it needs to be provided :<
12:27 magnuse        ok
12:26 eythian        yes
12:26 magnuse        about caching: isn't using koha::cache (and letting that worry about where to cache) the way to go?
12:23 magnuse        nice
12:22 eythian        basically, a design for a "good enough" base that works and can be improved
12:22 magnuse        ok, that's what i thought
12:22 eythian        So I want to get a feel for exactly what needs to be done.
12:21 eythian        magnuse: just putting together an estimate
12:21 eythian        or send something through that CSS can recognise to render the "not found" text
12:21 magnuse        eythian: sorry, what did you say you had funding for? hacking on this, or just for putting together a price estimate?
12:21 eythian        but if we implement the iframe method, then we can do whatever we like
12:20 eythian        Well, I'm trying to avoid javascript as this is from the point of view of the opac (mostly, exactly the same logic will apply to the staff client)
12:19 oleonard       Javascript or CSS could both be solutions for providing an image instead of text if a library wants to customize.
12:19 eythian        oleonard: that's a future option I'll ignore for now
12:18 oleonard       That's why we currently use CSS-styled text
12:18 oleonard       Providing a default "not found" image if nothing can be found is problematic because of translations
12:18 magnuse        eythian: that looks excellent!
12:17 eythian        not for what needs to be done
12:17 eythian        well, my plan for how it will work
12:17 eythian        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Covers_from_multiple_sources_RFC#Proposed_Method <-- magnuse, my plan
12:16 oleonard       Amazon returns a 1x1 gif if no cover image is found
12:13 magnuse        yay!
12:13 eythian        It's possible I'll change that as new images stuff will probably end up in Koha::
12:12 eythian        hmm OK
12:12 oleonard       Hi #koha
12:12 magnuse        lots of dicussions and i think jcamins got tired of it and showd it into C4 ;-)
12:11 magnuse        yeah, there was a reason it didn't go in there
12:11 eythian        C4::Images uses nothing in C4 aside from Context, it should be in Koha::
12:11 magnuse        open library has a 1x1 transparent gif or png
12:10 magnuse        amazon has it's own kind of image for that
12:10 eythian        ah right
12:10 magnuse        there is no syspref or similar for that that i know of
12:10 eythian        (i.e. "no cover found" image)
12:10 magnuse        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Images.pm;hb=HEAD#l44
12:10 eythian        if no service can provide a cover, do we have the option to say what cover to show?
12:09 magnuse        not sure that is the kind of thing you are thinking about
12:09 eythian        oh well, I'll add that as a future feature
12:09 eythian        hmm
12:09 magnuse        jcamins_away does it in his local images scripts
12:07 eythian        I'm sorta sure I saw somewhere once where you could specify an image to show if none could be found, am I imagining things?
12:00 kf             eythian++
12:00 kf             :)
11:56 eythian        heh
11:55 magnuse        hm, not sure i can wait that long ;-)
11:55 eythian        I'm writing my ideas into the wiki now
11:55 eythian        next hour, hour-and-a-half
11:54 magnuse        eythian: any timeframe for you investigations?
11:50 magnuse        yeah, it should be solvable!
11:50 magnuse        yeah, that thought crossed my mind too, that's true
11:49 magnuse        which is not a big deal, i guess
11:49 eythian        you can do <iframe src="opac-cover.pl?type=html&biblionumber=x" /> in a template too
11:49 magnuse        if you are getting html from the "unified covers script" you need to use ajax, i think
11:49 magnuse        but as long as you only get an image back you can do <img src="opac-cover.pl?bibliotenumber=x"> in a template
11:48 magnuse        yeah, my thinking too
11:47 eythian        But, I think we can do that later.
11:47 eythian        We'll burn that bridge when we get to it, I think. It's solvable. For example, instead of returning an image, it could provide HTML that we insert.
11:46 magnuse        but then, i guess there are places where that is just not feasible
11:46 magnuse        well, as soon as the source wants a link from the image back to them or something similar, it breaks down
11:45 eythian        Why?
11:44 magnuse        trouble is, there aren't that many sources that go well with this kind of approach, i think
11:43 magnuse        hehe
11:43 magnuse        ah, i'll continue using my little crutch for a while then, and see what happens
11:43 eythian        (unless it turns out I can do it in an hour or so, which I doubt)
11:43 eythian        they will hopefully approve that
11:43 eythian        however, the time I have is really just to ascertain what will need to be done and get a time estimate for them.
11:42 magnuse        yay
11:41 eythian        That was the sort of approach I was thinking of
11:41 magnuse        feel free to use it or ignore it completely :-)
11:40 magnuse        eythian: i needed some kind of proof of concept of "unified covers" for my digital signs, so i came up with this: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/kohawork/blob/bug8628-digitalsigns/opac/opac-cover.pl
11:39 eythian        The library wants covers from the NZ Nat Lib, but to add another source like that will require the multiple images to be fixed
11:39 * jcamins_away shan't have time this week either.
11:39 magnuse        eythian: very cool!
11:38 * magnuse      will not have time for it this week
11:38 eythian        magnuse: so I think I'm going to spec up the easy way for now, and allowing ordering to be done can come later.
11:38 magnuse        jcamins_away: i'm sure eythian wouldn't mind you testing his work
11:38 jcamins_away   :D
11:38 * mtompset     smirks.
11:38 eythian        jcamins_away: I was working on those yesterday, got them rebased (untested) to current master
11:37 * jcamins_away wanders off.
11:37 jcamins_away   No.
11:37 jcamins_away   Oh.
11:37 * jcamins_away perks up his ears. Internationalized packages?
11:37 eythian        so, I've got a small amount of funding to look into the images things
11:37 magnuse        yup
11:35 eythian        magnuse: y'about?
11:34 mtompset       Software Freedom Day. Nice. :)
11:14 kf             drojf: cool :)
10:44 mtompset       going back to eating again.
10:44 mtompset       So you already ran that step.
10:41 Jorgen         says this: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Sep  6 20:00 /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon -> /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh
10:40 mtompset       ls -la /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon and confirm it is pointing to the right place.
10:39 Jorgen         and get this: ln: failed to create symbolic link `/etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon': File exists
10:38 Jorgen         I also just wanted to make sure that zebra is starting up at boot so from the install i did this: sudo ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon
10:38 * mtompset     is off to supper.
10:38 mtompset       If you want to keep the weirdness that is fine, but you need /usr/share/koha/lib in there.
10:38 mtompset       export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
10:38 mtompset       export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
10:37 magnuse        that still looks weird
10:36 Jorgen         this is the error: /home/kohatest/perl5/lib/perl5/i686-linux-gnu-thread-multi-64int:/home/kohatest/perl5/lib/perl5
10:36 Jorgen         te
10:36 Jorgen         did it pase
10:36 Jorgen         woops -
10:36 magnuse        Jorgen: and what does "echo $PERL5LIB" on the command line give you now?
10:36 magnuse        oops
10:34 magnuse        and what does "echo $PERL5LIB" on the command line give you now?
10:34 Jorgen         Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/kohatest/perl5/lib/perl5/i686-linux-gnu-thread-multi-64int /home/kohatest/perl5/lib/perl5/i686-linux-gnu-thread-multi-64int /home/kohatest/perl5/lib/perl5 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/
10:33 Jorgen         same error was this:
10:33 wahanui        mtompset: I forgot same error
10:33 mtompset       wahanui forget same error
10:33 wahanui        same error is face earlier also
10:33 mtompset       same error?
10:33 Jorgen         Hi - still not getting koha-index-daemon to work.
10:30 drojf          kf: the day we are in wildau is software freedom day :) http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
10:29 Jorgen         ok, that file is empty, just added the lines and will log in and out. will report back to see how it went.
10:28 mtompset       The bottom of your .bashrc, log out, log in... that should be good enough. :)
10:27 mtompset       Since you did a tarball install. :)
10:27 mtompset       export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
10:27 mtompset       export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
10:27 jcamins_away   Jorgen: either option is fine. You need to set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB.
10:27 mtompset       I'm not familiar with option 1. :)
10:26 mtompset       I would be able to help you with option 2. :)
10:26 Jorgen         Is option 2 better?
10:26 Jorgen         so i followed the link - that leads you to install a few cpan modules. Towards the end of that link they then use the koha-index stuff.
10:25 mtompset       Perhaps tcohen has. :)
10:25 mtompset       Right... I would like to say, I haven't tested option 1. :)
10:25 Jorgen         Do Either Option#1 [OPTION 1 is Highly RECOMMENDED for Koha version 3.06.02]or Option #2 DO NOT DO BOTH.  Option #1: Use the Zebra Index Daemon to manage indexing.  See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Background_indexing_with_Zebra
10:24 wahanui        koha-zebra-daemon is in init.d, linked to koha-zebra-ctl.sh in oleonard's koha bin directory
10:24 mtompset       koha-zebra-daemon
10:23 mtompset       There is no mention of koha-index-daemon in these instructions.
10:23 mtompset       koha-index-daemon?
10:22 Jorgen         I did the web installer - and that all seems fine - but this looks to me like I could have some issues..
10:21 Jorgen         the error starts off like: Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/Koha/Contrib/Tamil/RecordReader.pm line 16.
10:21 mtompset       that doesn't look right.
10:20 Jorgen         i did the echo - /home/kohatest/perl5/lib/perl5/i686-linux-gnu-thread-multi-64int:/home/kohatest/perl5/lib/perl5
10:20 mtompset       tarball is like snowball. :)
10:20 mtompset       tarball refers to how the file is comprised.
10:19 Jorgen         Sorry, what does tarball mean?
10:19 mtompset       echo $PERL5LIB and you will know.
10:19 Jorgen         I'm pretty sure I set it up - but will try again now.
10:19 mtompset       you haven't set the environment variables.
10:18 Jorgen         However, I followed its recommended Option 1 for the Zebra..and when I run koha-index-daemon i get an error that it couldnt find the C4 file.
10:18 rangi          ah annoying
10:18 mtompset       It does have a pointer at the top of the page suggesting the packages are easier.
10:18 rangi          thats what that page should tell you to do
10:18 mtompset       koha_on_ubuntu is a tarball instruction set.
10:18 mtompset       Though, you did do it the hard way, Jorgen.
10:18 rangi          so you installed using the packages?
10:17 * mtompset     cheers.
10:17 Jorgen         Hi all, I've just did an install of koha 3.8.4 on ubuntu 12.04 - and it seems successful. Used this guide: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
10:05 drojf          eythian: good idea. but i think something is seriously broken with instances not really disabled but removed and other weird things. plus maybe some borked path somewhere in a config file. i think i'll just start over with a fresh vm when i have more time. tried to rescue the one from edinburgh but don't have time to look at that now.
10:02 mib_1x1t28     what about the other marcxml data in there - 245, 690's etc -  where is that used?
09:58 eythian        However, I would not modify the XML directly, as then it gets out of sync with the ISO2709 MARC in the 'marc' field, and potentially any tables that track marc fields.
09:57 eythian        mib_1x1t28: there should be no 952 in the marcxml, and if there is it will be ignored. Item details come from the items table specifically.
09:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic
09:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8696 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , Tools menu says export bibs still
09:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8261 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab
09:56 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8550: restore ISSN field to Z39.50 search
09:56 jenkins_koha   * nengard: Bug 8696: Update Export bibs on Tool Menu
09:56 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8261: Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab
09:56 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #163: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/163/
09:55 mib_1x1t28     Hello - would someone help explain what the marcxml field is used for in biblioitems? It doesn't seem to matter if I change data there (example 952 p - barcode) it doesn't reflect in Koha, instead "barcode" from the items table does!?
09:47 eythian        drojf: in that case I run it in the foreground with verbose on to see what's making it die
09:43 * mtompset     nods.
09:43 drojf          i don't mind the occasional dead zebra, but of course search does not work that way.
09:42 drojf          apparently it starts and then immediately dies again. "exited with 1 status"
09:42 drojf          hm. i have a million dying zebras in my log
09:35 magnuse        currently it only affects how links from subjects to searches for those subjects are constructed
09:35 mtompset       That's what the comments say, so it was a long shot.
09:35 mtompset       Right.
09:35 magnuse        mtompset: UseICU does not affect how indexing is done, it just tells the rest of koha how indexing is being done
09:28 mtompset       Hmmm....
09:22 mtompset       toggling doesn't change 3.8.4 search results.
09:21 mtompset       ^tag^tab^
09:21 mtompset       Search tag settings identical except for new syspref, but it says it doesn't affect Zebra.
09:20 mtompset       Interesting... ICU has a "UseICU" syspref.
09:19 mtompset       Clicking searching tab.
09:18 mtompset       As does 3.6.3
09:17 mtompset       Okay. 3.8.4 has 3 results. All say show.
09:16 kf             search the prefs
09:16 kf             yes
09:16 mtompset       Status is Lost. Is there a preference that affects that?
09:15 mtompset       I typed "title: sex"
09:15 kf             did you do a title or a keyword search?
09:15 mtompset       "He's hot, she's hot : what to look for in the opposite sex." comes up in 3.6.3, but not 3.8.4
09:14 kf             like fuzzy
09:14 kf             or different settings for search
09:14 kf             it might be a field is indexed differently
09:14 kf             not necessarily
09:14 Joubu          rangi: ok thanks
09:13 mtompset       So something is not right with zebra.
09:13 mtompset       different results.
09:13 mtompset       I did "title: sex" search in catalogue under 3.6.3 and 3.8.4
09:13 mtompset       I'm still stumped.
09:06 kf             :)
09:04 rangi          you can never have too many tests
09:04 rangi          but if they could be made to work again, they would be
09:03 rangi          no they aren't
09:03 Joubu          Does someone know if unit tests in t/db_dependent/lib/KohaTest are still used ?
09:02 mtompset       Greetings, Joubu.
08:56 Joubu          hello
08:56 huginn         mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 32.0°C (4:00 PM PHT on September 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
08:56 mtompset       @wunder mnl
08:52 kf             ah, I know that phenomenon
08:51 drojf          it's getting really dark right now. because i want to leave the house ;)
08:51 huginn         drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 16.2°C (10:43 AM CEST on September 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
08:51 drojf          @wunder berlin, germany
08:50 kf             pretty much all the same bad weather all over
08:50 kf             hm
08:50 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on September 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
08:50 mtompset       I just want search for "old" in the new system and "old" in the old system to return the same number of results.
08:50 rangi          @wunder nzwn
08:49 eythian        not much better really...
08:49 huginn         eythian: The current temperature in MeteOosterhout, Oosterhout Nb, Netherlands is 15.9°C (10:47 AM CEST on September 06, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
08:49 eythian        @wunder oosterhout
08:49 mtompset       I even have 207 candidates for the problem.
08:49 huginn         kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.5°C (10:45 AM CEST on September 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
08:49 kf             @wunder Konstanz
08:49 kf             good mornign eythian
08:49 eythian        hello.
08:49 mtompset       Yes, I know I have bad data.
08:48 jenkins_koha   Starting build #163 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:48 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8706 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Private lists can be accessed by anyone
08:48 jenkins_koha   m.de.rooy: Bug 8706 - Private lists can be accessed by anyone
08:48 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #162: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/162/
08:48 kf             you got a bad record
08:48 * kf           agrees with rangi
08:47 rangi          i think you are off on a total wild goose chase
08:47 mtompset       Is there a syspref that is wrong?
08:47 mtompset       Are the packages set to use GRS?
08:46 mtompset       My hunt for the trigger has led me to zebra's mod-grs-marc.so file
08:46 mtompset       okay...
07:53 mtompset       kia ora, rangi.
07:52 magnuse        kia ora rangi and #koha
07:52 kf             evening rangi
07:52 rangi          evening
07:41 jenkins_koha   Starting build #162 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:37 mtompset       bonjour, paul_p
07:36 paul_p         'morning #koha
07:36 kf             morning paul_p
07:33 kf             only for serach
07:33 kf             yes, but that's not a problem for indexing
07:33 mtompset       We have non latin characters, I believe.
07:32 kf             but I am not sure it matters for your problem
07:32 kf             mtompset: chr
07:31 kf             hi drojf
07:30 drojf          hi kf
07:30 mtompset       MAybe my xml bug hunting code needs localization awareness?
07:29 mtompset       is the packages compiled up with chr or icu?
07:29 mtompset       Good morning, kf.
07:29 kf             good morning #koha
07:28 mtompset       is the packages compiled up with chr or icu?
07:28 mtompset       e's with diacritics.
07:28 mtompset       i think I found my bad "xml" problem.
07:27 mtompset       Greetings, gaetan_B
07:24 gaetan_B       hello
07:22 drojf          good morning #koha
07:10 mtompset       bonjour, francharb. Greetings, matts.
07:09 matts          hi !
07:06 francharb      good morning #koha
06:57 magnuse        hiya mtompset
06:57 alex_a         bonjour mtompset
06:55 mtompset       I think I found our bad xml... need to make my program not crash on the first bad case it finds.
06:54 reiveune       hi mtompset
06:54 mtompset       Greetings, magnuse.
06:54 mtompset       bonjour, reiveune, alex_a julian_m.
06:49 * magnuse      waves
06:45 wahanui        hello, julian_m
06:45 julian_m       hello
06:45 wahanui        bonjour, alex_a
06:45 alex_a         bonjour
06:39 wahanui        bonjour, reiveune
06:39 reiveune       hello
06:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8704 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml
06:33 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Stable , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib
06:33 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 8704 - Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml
06:33 jenkins_koha   * ruth: Bug 7613: OCLC Connexion web service and desktop client, followup patch
06:33 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #161: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/161/
06:25 mtompset       going to work on hunting for bad xml.
06:25 mtompset       I think I have a clean index now, but I don't see how.
06:25 mtompset       true enough.
06:16 cait           but the reindexing scripts won't help you with that
06:16 cait           hunting for the bad xml is probably a good idea
06:15 mtompset       I still think I'll hunt for the bad XML, which should show me the bad MARC.
06:15 mtompset       Ah, I see.
06:14 wahanui        mtompset: sorry...
06:14 mtompset       Close, wahanui. :)
06:14 cait           read the docs
06:14 wahanui        -u is an option that you use to give the mysql username you want to log in as
06:14 mtompset       -u?
06:14 cait           -u -f -v
06:14 cait           try -u
06:13 cait           using other options
06:13 cait           and because it indexes differently
06:13 cait           probably becuse of the error
06:08 mtompset       The problem is without the -b -a, I get "skipping biblios"
06:03 mtompset       so that's the marcxml field in biblioitems?
06:02 cait           I don't know
06:02 mtompset       Is there some sort of validate xml script?
06:01 cait           and the normal zebra rebuild uses the mrc
06:01 cait           because according to documentation the packages index the xml by default
06:01 cait           maybe something in the xml wrong
06:00 rangi          You'll just have to look for xml that is incomplete then
06:00 cait           I think it's a problematic record
06:00 mtompset       [warn] Couldn't read whole MARC record
06:00 mtompset       the second pass gives:
05:59 mtompset       [warn] d1: 1: Malformed tag
05:59 mtompset       true, but strangely... the first pass gives:
05:59 cait           so it's not a bug if it double indexes
05:59 rangi          Yeah
05:58 cait           if you look at the wiki page
05:58 cait           -a -b don#t seem to be options to be used with -f
05:58 mtompset       koha-rebuild-zebra -b -a -f -v library
05:58 rangi          You are using the koha-rebuild-zebra right?
05:58 mtompset       What is that? Where is that?
05:57 rangi          So it will be doing -x then
05:56 mtompset       Yes.
05:56 rangi          Are u using packages?
05:56 mtompset       Yes.
05:55 rangi          This is for indexing in zebra?
05:55 wahanui        Any ideas are welcome :)
05:55 mtompset       Any ideas?
05:55 mtompset       So, how do I track down the MARC record in question?
05:54 huginn         04Bug 8253: blocker, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fine doubling
05:54 Judit          http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253
05:54 mtompset       [warn] Couldn't read whole MARC record
05:54 mtompset       Oh, there it is.
05:53 mtompset       Actually, the funny thing is, I didn't get the marc record warning/error in the second run.
05:53 Judit          watch out for fines
05:52 mtompset       I'm just trying to take out 3.6.3 data put it into 3.8.4
05:52 cait           I am not sure, probably a bad marc recod
05:51 cait           that it's short
05:51 cait           well that doesn't have to be bad
05:51 mtompset       What does the Malformed tag message mean?
05:50 mtompset       very short output.
05:50 mtompset       I tried just that.
05:50 cait           so -f -v should work
05:49 mtompset       Yes, I think it does.
05:49 cait           because I woudl think -f translates to - a -b
05:49 mtompset       Yes.
05:49 cait           you tried?
05:49 mtompset       Then it doesn't index.
05:49 cait           maybe don't use -a -b?
05:48 cait           ah right
05:48 mtompset       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-rebuild-zebra
05:47 mtompset       full reindex.
05:47 mtompset       [warn] d1: 1: Malformed tag
05:47 cait           why are you using -f?
05:41 mtompset       reattempting with apache turned off (it is a qa system after all). :)
05:37 mtompset       I call it error, because I think it quit before the end.
05:36 mtompset       Hmmm... not good... got another error on a reattempt.
05:28 mtompset       It's like calling rebuild_zebra.pl with -b -b -a -a
05:28 mtompset       koha-rebuild-zebra is a script wrapper for rebuild_zebra.pl
05:26 mtompset       twice.
05:26 cait           it reindexes authorities and biblios
05:26 mtompset       koha-rebuild-zebra -b -a -f -v... does a double reindex.
05:26 jenkins_koha   Starting build #161 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: FIXED)
05:25 mtompset       Oh that's funny.
05:10 cait           eythian got away from here just in time
05:10 cait           only a little bit of sun late afternoon
05:10 cait           I think we had the first day with fog yesterday
05:10 cait           meh.
05:10 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (7:00 AM CEST on September 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
05:10 cait           @wunder Konstanz
05:09 rangi          hey cait
05:09 cait           evening rangi
05:06 rangi          cya wajasu
05:06 wajasu         gnight yall
05:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Course Reserves
05:05 wajasu         will have to sleep to test the cominations of perms.  iam close to signof on bug 8215
05:00 wajasu         ok
05:00 cait           it's staff permissions
05:00 cait           wajasu: in the patron record under more in the toolbar
04:58 mtompset       That would be my guess.
04:58 wajasu         probably new for solr/zebra
04:57 mtompset       Yes, I think that is two many colons... BUT the problem might be there is supposed to be something between the two set of ::.
04:56 wajasu         on master i saw Search Engine config and clicked it and got => Software Error  Koha::SearchEngine::::Config is not a module name  (Too Many colons?)
04:53 wajasu         a bug i'm testing for signing off said "Verify new permissions, top level coursereserves, with subpermissions add_reserves and delete_reserves."where are permisssions -> tools  or  admin?
04:51 wahanui        irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
04:51 mtompset       irc logs?
04:49 wajasu         whoa
04:48 mtompset       " [warn] Couldn't read whole MARC record" what does this mean?!
04:20 cait           hi mtompset
04:17 mtompset       Greetings, cait
04:01 mtompset       there it is. :) Reindexing my QA install of packages on Ubuntu. :)
03:55 * mtompset     laughs, "Perhaps I'll try to hunt the wiki."
03:55 wahanui        commands are the one that i posted above
03:55 mtompset       commands?
03:54 wajasu         rangi++ :)
03:54 mtj            the good news is, we now have a set of programs to handle the conversion of those different file formats.. when that happens
03:53 rangi          yes!
03:53 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #160: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/160/
03:53 jenkins_koha   Yippie, build fixed!
03:53 mtj            who, how, what , when that happens is yet to be discussed….
03:52 mtompset       True, and I know that tcohen and I would like to make sure the Ubuntu docs are shiny and new. :)
03:51 mtj            mtompset, but at some stage, *someone* is going to have to decide what bits of what docs, becomes the shiny new ubuntu install doc...
03:50 wajasu         then is find camel runs in OSGI container.  and a perl project called OSGIish to manage things via shell.
03:49 wajasu         i was playing with the idea of   embedding/integrating Apache-Camel using stomp protocol to send messages.  then we can configure routes to email,sms, EDI, file,webservices, search, ldap, message queues, etc without us writing that.
03:49 mtj            mtompset, no one is running any transformation 'right now'...
03:47 mtompset       And when I say cleanly, I mean without doing a CPAN install.
03:47 * mtompset     laughs, "An RPM package? -- You know how much work it would take to get all the dependencies cleanly in place first?"
03:46 wajasu         then maybe a  koha-perl-lib-x64-3.x.rpm package.
03:46 mtompset       Well, I meant that if someone ran the transformation right now, I'm worried information may or may not be lost.
03:45 wajasu         i wish we could pull off using carton, and use local::lib.
03:44 mtj            mtompset, identicalness is the ultimate goal, for this task
03:44 mtompset       eleventy-billion?! Come on... It's bad, but not that bad. ;)
03:44 halcyonCorsair heh, the git clone takes long enough on its own :P (even when i do only depth 5)
03:43 rangi          halcyonCorsair: yeah thats a good idea
03:43 wajasu         oooh
03:43 mtj            wajasu, the ll-koha repo has some carton code, ftw...
03:43 mtompset       I'd like to make sure the Ubuntu wiki/INSTALL file are identical in content so we don't lose information when this transformation occurs.
03:43 halcyonCorsair mtompset: mmm, traffic isn't *too* bad, at least for me, but the roads aren't that great and worse there are a lot of intersections
03:42 mtj            rangi, blame asciidoc for those /r's  :)
03:42 halcyonCorsair rangi: one thing you could do to speed things up re: a dev box, is make take the vanilla ubuntu/debian base box and create a 'koha' one with the elevnty-billion perl dependencies, etc installed
03:42 wajasu         halcyoncorsair; yup.  i was looking at using Carton to gather manage module deps too.  there is always somethings to mess with in kohaland
03:42 mtompset       halcyonCorsair: That sounds like Manila traffic.
03:41 rangi          halcyonCorsair: ahh that's less than optimal
03:41 mtj            using mwlib, pandoc and asciidoc
03:41 halcyonCorsair rangi: not super great, kinda takes about 40m ride/waiting in traffic to get out of the city
03:41 mtompset       So, does this look like what will happen with all the INSTALL.* files?
03:40 mtj            mtompset, exactly :)
03:39 mtompset       So you took wiki format and put it into various document formats?
03:39 rangi          mtj: looking good, just gotta kill those \r :)
03:39 mtj            mtompset -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
03:39 rangi          halcyonCorsair: wajasu: sounds like we might be able to put together a nice list of recipes
03:38 mtompset       What was the source document?
03:38 mtj            http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=install-docs/.git;a=blob_plain;f=1/debian.html;h=f4cd8648753393e5cf290319eddeeda1cfd9b760;hb=HEAD
03:38 wajasu         i have an automated debian preseed.cfg file and shell script that builds a VM with koha-common and mysql etc if you want to reference that.
03:38 * mtompset     listens in on mtj's comment about install-doco stuff.
03:38 mtj            http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=install-docs/.git;a=tree;f=1
03:37 rangi          halcyonCorsair: good riding near where you are?
03:37 rangi          nice
03:37 mtj            haay chris, ive made some pretty good progress on the install-doco stuff...
03:37 halcyonCorsair yeah will do tomorrow
03:37 halcyonCorsair rangi: https://gist.github.com/3644826
03:34 rangi          see what ideas we can shake out of the woodwork
03:34 rangi          then maybe fire off an email to koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
03:34 rangi          with links to your repo etc
03:34 rangi          whack a page up at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Main_Page
03:33 rangi          what might be a good thing to do is
03:33 rangi          *nod*
03:33 rangi          also being able to do a one touch dev instance would be fantastic
03:33 halcyonCorsair rangi: well, i've already got the one-touch vm there, although a bunch of currently hardcoded bits as mentioned
03:33 Amit_Gupta     heya bag
03:33 wahanui        Amit_Gupta is probably from Nucsoft Osslabs
03:33 bag            heya Amit_Gupta
03:33 halcyonCorsair ah yep
03:32 rangi          hi Amit_Gupta
03:32 rangi          those would also be great
03:32 Amit_Gupta     heya chris
03:32 halcyonCorsair rangi: eg. one-touch fire up an ec2 koha, or one-touch koha-dev vm with vagrant/virtualbox, or?
03:32 rangi          the obvious one would be a support company who had a bunch of koha servers they wanted to keep in sync
03:32 halcyonCorsair rangi: whats the most useful / common usecase for this chef stuff I'm playing around with?
03:27 mtompset       wajasu: Well, it does seem that way, but I did get 7+ hours of sleep.
03:26 wajasu         :)
03:26 * mtompset     laughs, "Wahanui."
03:26 wahanui        you are trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months!
03:26 mtompset       Who me?
03:21 wajasu         it seems like moments ago you went to sleep
02:53 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
02:46 jenkins_koha   Starting build #160 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #156 14 hr ago)
02:46 jenkins_koha   rangi: job koha_3.8.x build scheduled now
02:46 rangi          !jenkins build koha_3.8.x now
02:46 rangi          jenkins build koha_3.8.x now
02:41 druthb         o/
02:36 rangi          darn
02:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, bart.tj, Signed Off , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
02:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Update Ubuntu related files
02:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6886 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Single branch mode should disable showing the branch name in front of all callnumbers
02:36 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fixing a typo in the test that was causing a false fail
02:36 jenkins_koha   * mtompset: Bug 8478 - Update Ubuntu related files (3.8.x)
02:36 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 Follow up for NORMARC
02:36 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - Follow up for UNIMARC
02:36 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #159: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/159/
01:45 wahanui        DeM KraZy NutZ!!
01:45 bag            mtj?
01:28 rangi          fingers crossed this one fixes it
01:28 jenkins_koha   Starting build #159 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #156 12 hr ago)
01:28 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6886 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Single branch mode should disable showing the branch name in front of all callnumbers
01:28 jenkins_koha   Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - OPAC XSLT respecting single branch mode
01:28 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #158: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/158/
01:24 Guest5939      Hmm.. yes. I will try and build one again today and see. thanks anyway
01:22 * jcamins_away leaves for real this time.
01:22 jcamins_away   I have very little experience with the livedvd, but the only thing I have heard about it has been complaints that it doesn't work right.
01:22 Guest5939      I did try (on another machine) to build it myself - but I could never get it to actually go for me. Hence for 3.8 i used Vimal Kumar's live dvd/cd for 3.8.2
01:21 Guest5939      Yes, from Vimal Kumar
01:20 jcamins_away   (no, I'm really not here)
01:19 jcamins_away   livedvd?
01:19 Guest5939      I can't add any rule at all.
01:18 Guest5939      I had the live dvd of koha 3.8.2 - then upgraded that to 3.8.3 and then upgraded that to 3.8.4
01:18 Judit          and what isthe exact rule you are trying to add?
01:17 Guest5939      ok - I'll see what it says and what I can do.
01:17 Judit          did you isntall koha 3.8.4, or did you upgrade an older koha to 3.8.4?
01:17 jcamins_away   Oh, I see. I'm about to turn off the computer, but it sounds like a failed upgrade. You'll need to take a look at the logs to see what's going on.
01:16 Guest5939      Yeah, but I try to add some - and nothing happens - koha just ignores it when I click set.
01:15 Judit          did you check your default circ rules, or the branch specific?
01:15 Guest5939      The only thing from what I've found from the web is that it could be related to the fact that I don't have any default circulation rules - and I can't make any ..
01:15 jcamins_away   Perhaps you are missing a rule for ALL-ALL-ALL?
01:14 Guest5939      I checked my admin settings, and they are as lax as can be to allow virtually any hold to be placed for any patron.
01:14 Guest5939      secondly, it also tells me that these items aren't normally able to be placed on hold for patrons.
01:13 Guest5939      But generally it tells me that This patron has too many holds  - but I am still able to place it.
01:13 Guest5939      To be honest with you - I am relativley new to koha so I haven't check the logs.
01:13 Judit          what is the error when you are trying to place holds?
01:12 rangi          what do you  apache error logs tell you?
01:12 rangi          hmm we havent had any reports of people unable to add rules
01:11 Guest5939      Hi - I hope it's ok to ask for some help/advice on koha here. I'm using koha 3.8.4 - but since 3.8 I've been unable to add any circulation rules and I think this is why I get errors on placing holds.
00:47 Judit          schema is good
00:44 gml            i leave, thx again
00:43 gml            i didnt know schema pages
00:43 gml            thx
00:42 rangi          luckily the schema knows
00:42 rangi          http://schema.koha-community.org/tables/special_holidays.html
00:42 rangi          no idea
00:42 gml            what is the purpose of "isexception" field from table special_holidays ?
00:42 rangi          hi gml
00:41 gml            hi everyone
00:33 rangi          so it was a good thing :)
00:33 rangi          which exposed the test as being wrong
00:33 rangi          something mucked up the db, so that bibnumber and biblioitemnumber arent always the same
00:32 * rangi        is gonna cheat and push that patch
00:31 rangi          ah yep items one
00:31 wahanui        i think unstable is sid
00:31 rangi          hmm unstable
00:19 jenkins_koha   Starting build #158 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #156 11 hr ago)
00:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8594 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , A report containing a subquery that has a 'limit' will have that limit stripped out
00:19 jenkins_koha   robin: Bug 8594 - prevent the report system from breaking some subqueries
00:19 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #157: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/157/
00:17 Judit          good morning
00:13 jcamins        Sounds like a good feature.
00:13 rangi          sorry i explained badly
00:13 rangi          cool
00:13 jcamins        Now I understand.
00:13 jcamins        Okay.
00:12 rangi          and the icon that comes with that
00:12 rangi          all im trying to do is get rid of the Type: Book; etc
00:12 rangi          this wont affect this
00:12 jcamins        It may be this is what you're planning, and the description was just too brief.
00:11 rangi          yes
00:11 jcamins        Right. But I think it should be possible to choose the icon using the item types configuration.
00:11 rangi          thats what they want
00:11 rangi          and be replaced with the itemtype icon from the biblio level
00:11 rangi          needs to go away
00:10 rangi          that whole line
00:10 rangi          Type:  Book; Format: print ; Literary form: not fiction
00:10 rangi          i dont want both
00:10 rangi          no i want to switch the type ones off
00:10 jcamins        The bug says you're choosing between.
00:10 jcamins        Right. So you need to *add* the option to display those icons.
00:10 rangi          and lots of the time more right
00:10 rangi          its no less wrong than the book or article icon showing now
00:09 rangi          and have the biblio level itemtype there
00:09 rangi          to go away
00:09 rangi          they want Type:
00:09 rangi          cos thats all they want
00:08 jcamins        No, it doesn't work for circulating libraries.
00:08 rangi          oh so this is already working?
00:08 jcamins        They use biblio-level itemtypes, which is how the icon on the left is generated.
00:07 rangi          l
00:07 jcamins        http://ans.cplibraries.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=smith
00:07 rangi          its only changing which itemtype you display at biblio leve
00:07 jcamins        Right.
00:07 rangi          then you get to the detail page and you see the item level itemtypes it wouldnt be changing those
00:07 jcamins        Right.
00:07 rangi          which in most libraries they dont match at all
00:07 rangi          instead of what is in 942
00:06 rangi          but generated from the marc control fields
00:06 rangi          where we currently display the biblio level itemtype
00:06 rangi          this is only for the search results page
00:06 rangi          not following you
00:06 jcamins        (at least in circulating libraries)
00:06 rangi          hm?
00:05 jcamins        We already support icons for itemtypes, we just can't display the biblio-level ones anymore.
00:05 jcamins        It should be possible to display both.
00:05 jcamins        rangi: I'm a bit iffy about choosing *between* the icons.