Time Nick Message
23:36 jcamins Somewhere in bugzilla.
23:36 jcamins Ummm... tcohen does.
23:36 halcyonCorsair does anyone have an init script for it?
23:35 jcamins Oh, that one's fine. I like fredericd's daemon.
23:33 halcyonCorsair i'm looking at: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Background_indexing_with_Zebra is that bad?
23:33 mtj what he said ^^
23:33 jcamins Do not use zebraqueue daemon.
23:30 wahanui the options are defined in the template.
23:30 mtj hmm, what are the options?
23:30 halcyonCorsair or no?
23:29 halcyonCorsair preferred zebra option would be daemon, yes?
23:29 halcyonCorsair i'll try it post blowing away this VM then
23:27 rangi oh yeah
23:25 jcamins Library of Congress will only work if you're using MARC21.
23:25 halcyonCorsair ah, ok
23:23 rangi it's something ive been meaning to add, but the easiest way to get one is to go to cataloguing, and use the z3950 search to import a record or 3 from library of congress
23:22 rangi nope you didn't
23:22 halcyonCorsair is there sample book data to import, or did I miss a step somewhere?
23:21 jcamins halcyonCorsair: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=install-fresh.pl
23:21 halcyonCorsair oops, ah well :) i'm about to blow it all away in a couple of minutes to see how clever I am anyway
23:20 rangi UNIMARC is primarily Europe and mostly just france afaict
23:20 rangi halcyonCorsair: for your purposes id choose MARC21
23:20 jcamins halcyonCorsair: oh yes. MARC21.
23:20 jcamins Yup.
23:20 rangi actually jcamins, youve done it with your release scripts eh?
23:20 halcyonCorsair umm, unimarc/marc21? does it matter?
23:20 * jcamins uses mechanize to do it.
23:19 rangi using something like mechanize
23:19 rangi it could
23:19 halcyonCorsair out of curiousity, can it be done?
23:18 jcamins They do not run the initial webinstaller.
23:18 jcamins They run updatedatabase.
23:17 halcyonCorsair do the packages run the web installer from the cmdline, or is that where they stop?
23:17 halcyonCorsair yuck
23:14 rangi eeew
23:13 jcamins The humidity is ca. 100%, it's warm, and it's trash collection day.
23:13 wahanui the former is much more complicated.
23:13 jcamins The former.
23:13 halcyonCorsair jcamins: revolting, or in revolt?
23:12 jcamins_away New York is... revolting today, actually.
23:12 halcyonCorsair jcamins_away: am thinking about swinging by NYC, but not sure whether it'll happen or not atthe moment
23:11 halcyonCorsair lol
23:11 * jcamins_away waves widely so you can see from four hours north. :)
23:11 halcyonCorsair well, I guess I'll put the 'production' issue off for later :)
23:11 rangi halcyonCorsair: jcamins_away isn't that far away from you, he's in new york
23:09 jcamins_away (note that this *only* applies to when you're doing development... in production you should *always* use packages)
23:07 jcamins_away Then stat prev-install-log and compare the timestamps.
23:06 jcamins_away Wait, even better! git log --pretty=format:%ct -n 1 etc/zebradb
23:06 jcamins_away Ooh, figured it out: git log --pretty=format:%cD -n 1 etc/zebradb
23:03 jcamins_away Agreed, detecting changes may be problematic.
23:02 halcyonCorsair jcamins_away: err
23:01 jcamins_away halcyonCorsair: if any file changes in etc/zebradb
22:58 halcyonCorsair jcamins_away: is there a way to detect that?
22:54 jcamins_away When Zebra config files change.
22:53 jcamins_away Sometimes you need to run make upgrade.
22:43 rangi i think yes
22:43 rangi hmm its been a long time since ive done a tarball install
22:42 halcyonCorsair rangi: will make install overwrite /etc config each time, or no?
22:34 rangi would get you the 3.8.4 release, etc
22:34 rangi git checkout v3.08.04
22:34 rangi so you could do
22:34 rangi we tag all releases
22:34 rangi so 3.8.5 will be released on september 22
22:33 rangi both the 3.6.x and 3.8.x have monthly releases, but only bug fixes, on the 22nd of every month
22:33 halcyonCorsair rangi: oh yeah, how's the stability of the 3.8.x branch?
22:30 rangi unfortunately im stuck in answering rfp land today, but ill try to have a look tonight
22:29 rangi ohh sweet
22:29 halcyonCorsair rangi: if you want a play later, i have a pretty dirty recipe that's almost there
22:26 rangi if you apt-get upgrade, it does that
22:25 rangi it does that comparison, and does nothing unless it needs to
22:25 rangi yup
22:25 halcyonCorsair rangi: it should be harmless to just run?
22:24 rangi but you can also just run the script from the cli
22:24 rangi so normally you would try to use koha, and if in the opac you would get the maintenance page, in the staff side you would get redirected and told your db needs to be upgraded
22:23 rangi yep
22:23 halcyonCorsair rangi: if you do a dev install, then everything gets symlinked to point to the location of the checkout?
22:23 rangi (normally this happens in the web browser)
22:23 rangi if it doesnt need to do anything, it won't, but if it does need to, it will upgrade your database
22:23 rangi ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl
22:22 rangi but you should run
22:22 rangi if you chose a dev install then the code is all updated, so no need to run make upgrade
22:21 halcyonCorsair rangi: so, if i'm updating to a new git checkout, then...?
22:19 rangi if C4::Context->preference('Version') < C4::Context::KOHAVERSION;
22:19 rangi ie
22:15 rangi to what is stored in the version number in the db
22:15 rangi make upgrade won't touch the database, that is done by updatedatabase.pl and they way Koha knows if it should run that is by comparing what is in kohaversion.pl
22:14 rangi it should only need to run make upgrade if you are installing a new tarball
22:12 halcyonCorsair is there an easy way I can check to see whether my koha needs to run make upgrade?
21:17 jcamins SJeffery: oh, you'll have lots of opportunity. Your test server is due for some updates.
21:17 mtj we need that thermometer grapfic on kc.org
21:17 SJeffery jcamins: be nice or I will start bug testing your code again.
21:16 jcamins SJeffery: wahanui understands "I."
21:16 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:16 jcamins @later tell oleonard The only thing remaining for my patch is to add jQuery-UI. The coding guidelines are not entirely clear about which files are needed, and where to put them. If you could give me a few pointers, that would be much appreciated.
21:15 jcamins SJeffery: actually, that was all you. :)
21:15 wizzyrea awwww
21:15 SJeffery I hate you.
21:15 * wizzyrea giggles
21:15 wahanui sjeffery prefers to pop out of the woodwork every once in a while to point out a whole bunch of bugs and then scamper for cover before the coders realize it.
21:15 wizzyrea sjeffery?
21:14 rangi :)
21:14 rangi we know where you live
21:14 SJeffery I prefer to pop out of the woodwork every once in a while to point out a whole bunch of bugs and then scamper for cover before the coders realize it.
21:12 rangi put your name down as a bug wrangler :)
21:10 * SJeffery has the feeling he will be doing a lot of bug testing of 3.12 *looks at his calendar in bewilderment*
21:08 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12
21:08 rangi all we are missing now is Translation manager, QAM, and meeting chair(s)
21:08 rangi mveron++
20:18 oleonard See ya #koha
20:17 jcamins "Easy and close enough" has many advantages.
20:16 jcamins Nifty feature, but none of those do quite what I wanted. I'm thinking I'll use gettemplate, notwithstanding the fact that it means putting an internal template in modules/
20:13 bag lame I know ;)
20:13 bag http://tinyurl.com/cxr9skp
20:11 bag heh
20:11 bag "something"
20:10 jcamins bag: but what exactly would I grep *for*?
20:10 bag grep is your friend ;)
20:09 jcamins Cart in master.
20:09 jcamins Ooh.
20:09 jcamins Where would I find an example of using C4::Templates?
20:05 wizzyrea gnite cait
20:05 cait good night #koha
20:05 wizzyrea everything old is new again
20:01 rangi It's been around a while I've been on ice since 93
19:56 hankbank working on presentation to Future of Libraries conference in SF about Koha at LG needed to talk about IRC as cultural phenom
19:55 hankbank i truly am not...
19:54 hankbank hoy!
19:54 rangi I appreciate that 'theory'
19:53 rangi Lol cron changes depending on how many bits your system is
19:53 jcamins Hehe.
19:53 * wizzyrea scowls at wahanui
19:52 wahanui i think hankbank is not worthy
19:52 wizzyrea hey hankbank
19:51 wahanui somebody said morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:51 jcamins Morning.
19:51 cait morning
19:49 wizzyrea mornin
19:48 rangi Morning
19:48 jcamins Jeez, try to sound smart, and I end up sounding dumber than if I'd just used a regular word.
19:47 slef bbl
19:47 jcamins *modulo
19:47 jcamins The suggestion plugin for 8211 is working, module translatability.
19:47 jcamins Cool.
19:45 cait good night magnuse
19:39 jcamins Good night.
19:39 magnuse have fun #koha, i'm off!
19:39 magnuse ok, guess i am tired after all...
19:38 magnuse ?
19:37 jcamins The part that I have trouble with is almost-due reminders.
19:36 jcamins Since I can post-date estimates, it's just a matter of checking to confirm that none of the dates are approaching.
19:36 jcamins I add estimates, and do billing the last and fifteenth day of every month.
19:35 jcamins magnuse: I wanted to do that, but everyone seems to prefer start dates like October 15 (no, I'm not kidding).
19:35 slef magnuse: metadata and scheduled alerts...?
19:33 magnuse make all contracts start on january 1st?
19:33 magnuse jcamins: any tricks for billing the right people at the right time?
19:33 jcamins slef: they mostly do. Plus, it's not like I'm doing anything complicated.
19:32 slef jcamins: anyway, the advice I received was to keep the accounting as simple as possible and so the co-op has done that most of the time
19:32 slef jcamins: do public and private enterprises use the same accounting rules in the US? They're quite different here - I think there's even a different professional body for public accountants here.
19:31 wizzyrea :D
19:31 magnuse :-)
19:31 wizzyrea shhhhhhhhh
19:31 magnuse nah, still here!
19:31 * wizzyrea whispers be vewwy quiet magnuse is sleeping
19:30 jcamins wizzyrea: shhhh. magnuse just nodded off!
19:30 jcamins slef: no, that's why I have my grandfather check everything for me. (CPA = Certified Public Accountant)
19:30 wizzyrea and lord knows sleep is probably in short supply in the magnuse household :)
19:29 slef I'm sure it was QuickBooks that the MD of my last company used and it botched our sales taxes.
19:29 slef you ever tried blaming QuickBooks?
19:29 slef hahahahaha
19:26 * jcamins is so glad his grandfather is a CPA.
19:26 magnuse again time is important, and i sleep better when i know there is someone else to blame :-)
19:26 jcamins Smart!
19:25 magnuse i gave up on doing my book-keeping
19:25 jcamins Oh, I do my own bookkeeping too. Even with QuickBooks, that's painful.
19:24 magnuse tried to do my own book-keeping, and the invoice-thing is part of that
19:23 wizzyrea some things just haven't caught up yet.
19:23 magnuse nope, i use a web based system
19:23 jcamins You may have had the foresight not to try gnucash in the first place.
19:21 jcamins magnuse: FWIW, switching to QuickBooks from gnucash made invoicing a lot less painful.
19:21 * magnuse is writing invoices as we speak - not a fun passtime...
19:21 wizzyrea yea, idk.
19:20 magnuse not a lot of projects on bountyoss yet?!? but someone has to lead the way...
19:20 * jcamins would agree.
19:19 * wizzyrea would go with "time"
19:19 jcamins magnuse: yeah, bountyoss would be a lot more viable than kickstarter for this.
19:19 wizzyrea which is more valuable?
19:19 wizzyrea yea, it's your time vs money
19:19 magnuse might be worth it if the alternative is sending bills to 100 people...
19:18 wizzyrea yuk
19:18 jcamins indiegogo is 8%.
19:18 jcamins 5% seems pretty standard.
19:17 wizzyrea and normal sized type
19:17 wizzyrea at least these people put their terms of use in normal language.
19:16 jcamins magnuse's question was about micro-crowdfunding (ooh! I am a trendsetter, making up new words!), which is not really something I know how to do.
19:16 cait it is a lot
19:16 * wizzyrea doesn't know
19:16 wizzyrea that seems … like a lot?
19:16 wizzyrea oh it's 5%
19:16 cait was thinking about all this websites
19:16 cait yeah you can :)
19:15 jcamins cait: right, I can bill libraries directly.
19:15 cait o
19:15 cait than for institutions where someone needs to know where the money did g
19:15 wizzyrea oh almost any library can write a check, at least in the US
19:15 cait for individuals I think it's easier
19:15 cait not sure that works well for libraires
19:15 cait hm
19:15 jcamins Yeah, that's what it looks like.
19:14 wizzyrea so I guess they accept the payments, take a small cut (?) and then pass it on
19:14 wizzyrea Pledges may be paid by credit card, or by check payment to Open Source Bounty, Inc., P.O. Box G, Santa Clara CA 95055. Checks are accepted only if drawn on a US bank. A check payment is considered to have been received when the check clears. We use WePay as our credit card processor; OSB is not responsible for the performance of WePay.
19:13 jcamins Of those, bountyoss seems like the most useful.
19:13 wizzyrea yep, I like the bountyoss.com one
19:13 magnuse but it would be cool if it was easy for lots of people to chip in a little...
19:12 wizzyrea I mean jcamins has the facility to bill it out, if he knows who to bill
19:12 magnuse well, if the goal is reached pledges quickley turn into donations...
19:12 cait ah right
19:11 wizzyrea until you get to a certain level of funded-ness
19:11 wizzyrea well it's really just pledges right?
19:11 cait for small donations?
19:11 wizzyrea I like that last one
19:11 cait maybe something simpler?
19:11 jcamins magnuse: and now you know why we haven't set one up yet.
19:11 wizzyrea https://bountyoss.com/
19:10 wizzyrea which is not encouraging.
19:10 wizzyrea however cofundos seems to be having… issues
19:10 magnuse wow, how to choose the *right* one...
19:09 wizzyrea cofundos is what I was thinking of
19:09 jcamins Yeah, there's a new crowdfunding platform every week.
19:09 wizzyrea or peoplefundit.com
19:09 wizzyrea oh, cofundos.org
19:09 wizzyrea (but none of these are the actual one I was thinking of - they must be new. Which is rather cool.)
19:08 wizzyrea goteo.org
19:07 wizzyrea www.launcht.com
19:07 jcamins slef suggested pledgebank.com.
19:07 magnuse ooh, remember what it was?
19:06 wizzyrea one I saw was specifically for open source software projects
19:06 jcamins Uhhh...
19:06 magnuse hehe
19:06 wizzyrea what is wrong with my keyboard
19:06 wizzyrea good lord!
19:06 wizzyrea sa
19:06 wizzyrea I
19:06 wizzyrea e
19:06 wizzyrea n
19:06 wizzyrea o
19:06 wizzyrea and indiegogo
19:06 wizzyrea there are some others besides kickstarter
19:05 magnuse but there could be multiple "channels"
19:05 jcamins magnuse: yeah, but we haven't quite figured out how to handle that. Some of the institutions aren't comfortable with kickstarter, and most don't use credit cards.
19:05 magnuse ?
19:04 wizzyrea instead of just pledging
19:04 wizzyrea probably because people would have to actually pay the money?
19:04 wizzyrea yea I was wondering why there wasn't a kickstarter or indiegogo
19:03 magnuse did you consider kickstarter or similar?
19:02 jcamins magnuse: yup.
19:01 magnuse jcamins: are you open for donations on the ~$100 scale too? those numbers seem kind of daunting...
19:00 jcamins ... wait, that wasn't the *goal*?
19:00 jcamins I successfully left myself with no option but to edit the configuration in Local Use.
19:00 jcamins I did it!
19:00 * jcamins cheers.
18:53 Viktor idling for a while
18:53 Viktor irl is calling
18:49 Viktor Ok - saving those URLs for later then. Still two weeks before the request for funds is due - and some additional time until the answer :) jcamins
18:46 jcamins (or Brooke)
18:46 jcamins Viktor: you know who to contact if you'd like to be involved (hint: me). :)
18:45 Viktor The library I'm going to work with would like better search so some bits might apply. We also have a spelling API from the national library that we will implement.
18:45 rambutan that's a mighty fine thermometer jcamins, mighty fine
18:45 jcamins Viktor: yeah, the "here's what we're looking to raise" number on the wiki does not tell the whole story.
18:45 jcamins Vindicated!
18:44 Viktor Looks a lot less expensive already
18:44 Viktor Visualization is important.
18:44 Viktor That is nice jcamins
18:44 jcamins rambutan: yeah, isn't it a nice thermometer? :)
18:44 wizzyrea lots of people to make one big thing happen
18:44 rambutan ah, that thermometer there
18:43 wizzyrea yep, we're looking for lots of little funders
18:43 jcamins Viktor: we're not looking for a single funder to cover the entire cost.
18:43 jcamins rambutan: http://www.cpbibliography.com/services/koha/searchrewrite.html
18:43 Viktor I do think the whole thing will be above our budget though. We are looking for some additional funding but I doubt we will be this successful :)
18:43 jcamins rambutan: ooh, you didn't see the thermometer?
18:42 rambutan what thermometer where?
18:41 * jcamins is inordinately proud of that funding thermometer. It turns out to be about the simplest thing *ever*, as javascript goes, but it's quite functional
18:41 jcamins :)
18:41 jcamins There's even a nice funding thermometer.
18:41 Viktor It looks interesting.
18:40 Viktor :D
18:40 jcamins (if you didn't gather, the search rewrite is my pet project)
18:40 Viktor Sounds good jcamins
18:39 jcamins s/to so/so/
18:39 jcamins The search rewrite provides the rest of the plumbing to so that all the work that BibLibre has done on solr can be used.
18:38 jcamins Viktor: at the moment, Solr isn't a complete replacement for Zebra, and it replaces one set of limitations with a different set.
18:38 cait Viktor: btw - I sent you a pm ealrier, wondering if you did see it :)
18:38 jcamins There we go.
18:38 wahanui hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
18:38 jcamins search rewrite?
18:38 * cait leaves that job to jcamins and goes to take care of the laundry
18:38 jcamins search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
18:38 Viktor How is Solr related to search being awful or not?
18:37 jcamins Hm.
18:37 cait hm,
18:37 cait search rewrite?
18:37 jcamins Viktor: ah, but the proposal for the search rewrite is already written. :)
18:37 cait lying good foundation to build on and getting rid of the most awful module koha has probably :)
18:37 Viktor Reports could be easier...
18:37 cait it will enable lots of cool features long term
18:37 * jcamins agrees.
18:37 cait if you want to put money somewhere, the search rewrite is an a+ candidate :)
18:36 jcamins But that's my particular obsession.
18:36 cait oh yeah
18:36 rambutan 1. more built-in reports, reporting templates
18:36 oleonard A bribery module? Sounds useful to me.
18:36 jcamins Viktor: search that isn't awful.
18:36 cait electronic resource management was another
18:36 cait erm
18:36 cait I had libraries asking for a bindery module, but only very few would need that
18:36 cait I think libraries are all so different
18:36 Viktor I´m trying not to overlook necessary development...
18:36 cait hm that is not easy
18:35 Viktor What would you say are top three on your wishlists for Koha? The stuff that would make libraries in general say "Thank you - finally"?
18:33 jcamins Eh. No rush to change that. It still doesn't have any impact.
18:32 jcamins Oh, I didn't think of the fact that I could put a link in there.
18:32 magnuse yeah, and we can link to things too, that might be useful
18:31 Viktor Seems like an idea to save a lot of grief :) magnuse
18:31 * jcamins considered not explaining the workaround, but realized that it would be a lot easier to say "no, sorry, I am not walking you through the basics of JSON" if the system says "here's the workaround, but BEWARE!"
18:30 Viktor Yes - an error message actually explaining what to do. A rare thing to be treasured :) jcamins
18:30 * magnuse plans on dusplaying a warning on the digital signs admin page if digital signs are not turned on in prefs
18:30 magnuse i think more warnings like that are a good idea
18:29 jcamins magnuse: thanks.
18:29 magnuse jcamins: nice js-warning!
18:28 magnuse and there is always a link to a time converert in the wiki page for the meetings
18:28 magnuse hehe, you get used to it after a couple of years :-)
18:27 Viktor :)
18:27 Viktor Thanks magnuse - It's sort of the first time I've had to calculate time difference for a meeting.
18:27 magnuse yeah, very cool if you show up Viktor - we could double the participation from the nordic countries :-)
18:27 cait but you don't only have to listen
18:27 magnuse 20 o'clock, our time, Viktor
18:26 cait Viktor: would be nice if you dropped in :)
18:26 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_5_September_2012
18:25 wahanui i guess Viktor is doing a great job on fixing that drojf :-)
18:25 oleonard Yes Viktor
18:25 Viktor Oh - is it tomorrow this time the meeting is? I might sit in and listen if I get the chance.
18:25 jcamins http://screencast.com/t/FHQIEmzqn05 <-- what happens if you have javascript turned off
18:24 Viktor bye
18:24 tcohen bye #koha
18:24 Viktor jcamins :)
18:23 jcamins Viktor: my new management screen will work fine. ;)
18:23 jcamins Cool.
18:23 jcamins Oh.
18:23 oleonard Wikipedia says Win7 had IE8
18:23 jcamins Kind of ugly-looking, but what would you expect from a browser that doesn't know how to do rounded corners?
18:22 jcamins It works fine with IE8.
18:22 Viktor I´ll try to set them up with FF of course - but Sweden is still Microsoft country in large parts.
18:21 jcamins oleonard: I thought it was IE7?
18:21 Viktor Useful list oleonard - thanks!
18:21 oleonard Is IE8 what Win7 shipped with?
18:21 Viktor Ok.
18:21 jcamins I think it'll require IE8+
18:20 jcamins Viktor: probably configuring Did you mean plugins will not work so well.
18:20 oleonard yeah, I think that drag and drop thing is on my list of YUI replacement tasks
18:20 cait you open a basket group and then you can drag&drop the baskets into it
18:20 jcamins Huh. I didn't know that.
18:20 oleonard http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?product=Koha&component=Browser%20compatibility&resolution=---&list_id=40127
18:20 cait we do
18:20 jcamins We have drag&drop in basket groups?
18:19 cait I think drag&drop in basket grous does not work with ie
18:19 Viktor I have a library coming up who might have an easier time with their IT-department using standard Win7 IE.
18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8724 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Upgrade from NoZebra installs is broken
18:19 tcohen bug 8724
18:19 oleonard Viktor: We do try to fix IE bugs when they are reported, we just don't test much in IE
18:18 Viktor Catalouging had a IE bug I think. Or IE had the bug rather.
18:18 Viktor Great.
18:18 jcamins He runs into occasional issues, but is apparently satisfied.
18:18 * jcamins has worked with someone who does.
18:18 oleonard Viktor: I don't know if any one of us knows for sure since none of us use it extensively.
18:17 Viktor Great - thanks jcamins
18:17 Viktor Hi! magnuse
18:17 jcamins Actually, it generally works okay, I understand.
18:17 * magnuse waves to Viktor
18:17 Viktor :)
18:17 jcamins IE.
18:17 jcamins Pfeh.
18:17 Viktor Since knowledgable people is present: How does the IE bundled with Win7 work for the staff client? Older versions used to have som problems.
18:17 * jcamins is adding the <noscript> "sorry, you can look but not touch" warning.
18:17 oleonard Not by default, but you can selectively
18:16 jcamins Do we make the text bold or anything?
18:16 jcamins Thanks.
18:16 oleonard class="dialog alert"
18:15 jcamins class=alert?
18:15 jcamins How do we do a CSS alert in the staff client?
18:15 Viktor cait - Yes. I agree.
18:15 cait not introducing more problems
18:14 Viktor I'm disussing multiple cover photo-sources in opac with javascript for deduplication
18:14 cait but it would be nice if we could make new features accessible
18:14 Viktor Opac oleonard - seems like a good balance. Thanks!
18:13 Viktor Ok. Required is more comfortable as a developer of course :) I'll go with that.
18:13 oleonard JavaScript should not be required for the OPAC to work, but it is accepted that some features may be unavailable.
18:13 oleonard JavaScript is required for the staff client.
18:13 cait in staff
18:12 cait more a recommendation I think
18:12 Viktor What is the policy on non-javascript fallbacks btw? Is it a must or a recommendation?
18:11 cait I am sure it will turn out great :)
18:11 * jcamins is at that point.
18:11 jcamins But at a certain point we have to say "staff must use a modern browser with javascript."
18:11 cait Viktor: I have seen the rfc :)
18:11 Viktor Currently we're having magnuse contracted to do work implementing touchscreen digital signs into Koha. cait
18:11 cait which is good :)
18:11 jcamins I like non-JS fallbacks.
18:11 jcamins Meh.
18:10 cait hm is that bad?
18:10 jcamins I don't see *any* way to handle this without Javascript.
18:09 Viktor Yes it's starting to shape up to a plan at least. But it's a lot of stuff happening at the same time.
18:08 cait Viktor: have you figured out the translations?
18:08 cait jcamins: I am sure you will figure it out :)
18:08 Viktor Hi cait
18:08 jcamins But, you know, saving and loading are both important.
18:07 jcamins Not that it does anything.
18:07 cait hi Viktor :)
18:06 jcamins :D
18:06 jcamins And load it!
18:06 jcamins Woohoo! I managed to save the configuration.
18:01 eythian a client of ours that has custom templates
18:01 slef bbl
18:01 eythian heh
18:01 slef eythian: librarian should be thanked for asking what language has code pnf. ;)
18:00 eythian Apparently my "make sure everything is clean first" process isn't up to snuff
18:00 eythian slef: hrm, thanks for pointing that out.
17:59 slef eythian: sorry for giving you a bug
17:54 tcohen jcamins, i don't like it he
17:52 eythian hiya
17:52 slef hi eythian
17:49 jcamins I'm not sure why we do it like that.
17:49 jcamins Right.
17:48 tcohen so, it set some convenient values, and hides them
17:48 jcamins tcohen: you could delete all three. Traditionally, Koha doesn't *delete* sysprefs, it just stops showing them in preferences.pl.
17:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8725 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-common_3.8.4-1_all.deb has an opaclanguages option of pnf
17:47 slef Bug 8725 has been added to the database
17:47 tcohen i meant delete those to, and update queryremovestopwords
17:46 jcamins Or delete from the database.
17:45 tcohen ok, so, remove nozebra and nozebraindexes? change queryremovestopwords?
17:44 jcamins Because actually it *does* have an impact, just not the desired one, given a certain combination of sysprefs.
17:44 jcamins tcohen: yep. But there also needs to be a database update to change QueryRemoveStopwords to "Don't ignore."
17:42 tcohen NoZebra, QueryRemoveStopwords, NoZebraIndexes?
17:42 jcamins slef: nfi.
17:42 jcamins o.O
17:42 slef jcamins: wonder what it's doing in koha-common_3.8.4-1_all.deb then
17:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
17:41 tcohen and then *maybe* for bug 7440
17:41 jcamins slef: looks like something from CVS.
17:40 tcohen jcamins, I'll send a patch for that
17:40 slef anyone know what that's about?
17:40 slef opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/pnf/xslt~HEAD/
17:40 jcamins tcohen: I agree, we should remove the sysprefs as a start.
17:40 slef there's a folder containing xsl called pnf
17:40 wahanui jcamins: excuse me?
17:40 jcamins wahanui doesn't know.
17:40 jcamins pnf?
17:40 jcamins Ah.
17:40 wahanui nfi is no fine idea
17:40 slef wahanui: nfi?
17:40 tcohen (2) upgrade from NoZebra is currently broken
17:40 jcamins pnf? nfi?
17:39 tcohen and noticed that (1) a lot of things are being rewritten
17:39 tcohen but remembered that big patches are lost in time
17:39 slef but it's showing on one of my kohas
17:39 tcohen jcamins, I was about to start doing it
17:39 slef nfi
17:39 jcamins pnf?
17:39 huginn slef: No results for "opaclanguages pnf."
17:39 jcamins I just haven't gotten around to it.
17:39 slef @query opaclanguages pnf
17:38 jcamins tcohen: it is worth removing all of it.
17:37 tcohen he he, focus problem
17:37 wahanui i guess git pull is really simple.
17:37 tcohen git pull
17:35 tcohen question on NoZebra: is it worth to remove *at least* the sysprefs for it?
17:35 cait :)
17:34 Magnusem Just trying out mibbit on the tablet
17:33 Magnusem One and the same...
17:32 * cait wonders the same
17:32 cait hm
17:32 * jcamins wonders who this Magnusem is, and whether s/he has any relationship to magnuse. :)
17:25 cait jcamins++
17:20 jcamins The trick is that the return false; has to be *in* the onclick.
17:19 jcamins But how to do it myself.
17:19 jcamins Well, not how the syspref editor does it.
17:19 jcamins Figured it out.
17:14 jcamins I can't see anything special in the syspref editor to make it do that.
17:14 jcamins Just to call some javascript, like in the syspref editor.
17:13 jcamins I would like the button to *not* submit.
17:13 jcamins I can't figure out how these buttons work.
17:13 jcamins I am baffled.
17:07 cait and a virtual driver's license :)
17:00 rambutan cait needs a virtual car then.
16:59 * cait has no car
16:58 wizzyrea must be torture ;)
16:58 bag convertible :)
16:53 wizzyrea for now. :P
16:53 * wizzyrea has a vw
16:52 rambutan I have a 1994 Suzuki Sidekick.
16:51 wizzyrea fiat.
16:50 eythian Mazda?
16:49 mbalmer Toyota!
16:35 gaetan_B bye !
16:28 eythian hmm
16:28 jcamins Then I am out of ideas.
16:27 eythian jcamins: not sure that'd work
16:27 tcohen [flame] so, Roddick retires today
16:26 jcamins Maybe.
16:26 jcamins Ummm... git rebase --onto
16:26 eythian Basically, any patch that's in the upstream, even if it has a different commit ID, I'd like it to put it in there with the right ID
16:24 eythian if someone's done something that messes up the history in a branch, is there a way to get it back? In this case, I do a rebase and get 490 commits. I think somone's been using merge in confusing ways or something.
16:14 annab i'm actually a student intern so this is all pretty new to me
16:13 annab eythian thanks that makes sense
16:13 eythian ideally it'll let you spot any issues early on
16:13 annab eythian oh i see what you are saying
16:12 eythian see what happens if you do a simple dump and import
16:12 eythian Well, I mean experimenting with migrations.
16:12 annab but that is a good point
16:11 annab eythian i've been playing with a demo our state is hosting but it doesn't have a whole lot of data imported
16:11 eythian it'll at least let you know if you have big problems
16:11 eythian annab: it's worth experimenting to get a feel for it
16:10 annab tcohen i appreciate your help
16:10 tcohen so, Roddick retires today
16:10 annab tcohen thanks, i'm sure i'll be back when i know more about our records
16:10 * cait waves
16:10 tcohen it might be painful, but it is worth
16:10 tcohen annab, good luck
16:06 annab but it's good to hear some viewpoints so thanks!
16:05 annab like i said, very early stages here
16:04 annab i guess i just wanted to see if anyone had specific knowledge on that kind of transfer
16:03 annab but we are planning on cleaning up before we try exporting, that much i know
16:03 annab jcamins i don't think our marc records will have that much differentiation in data
16:03 annab jcamins haha i've seen that no one likes serials
16:03 annab tcohen that definitely makes sense
16:02 jcamins annab: well, serials are just awful all the time, and their MARC records reflected several decades worth of changing standards.
16:02 tcohen as jcamins says, it will depend on how healthy the records are I guess
16:02 annab we're in very early prep stages so i know next to nothing about the transfer, which is our main concern right now
16:02 annab jcamins why was it so difficult? can you give me specifics at all?
16:01 annab tcohen we only have one branch so that is helpful
16:01 jcamins It was a bit of a nightmare.
16:01 jcamins annab: I did the training for a formerly-Millenium library.
16:01 tcohen just had to adjust holdings data (branches, created first, etc)
16:01 annab jcamins do you have experience with it being difficult or just speaking in general?
16:00 tcohen and actually used standard MARC21
16:00 jcamins Sometimes it will take staggering amounts of conversion.
16:00 tcohen they had an ETL-expert librarian
16:00 jcamins annab: it depends on your records, really.
16:00 annab that's good to know
16:00 tcohen exactly
15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , allow patron self registration via the opac
15:59 magnuse Bug 7067 - yay!
15:59 annab so marc21 format doesn't require too much extra work to migrate? we're thinking of doing it ourselves rather than hire out
15:59 tcohen I only had to tell the super-hacker-librarian to export holdings following the Koha requirements
15:58 tcohen annab, I once got an MARC21 export from Millenium (1.5M records) which flawlessly got migrated into Koha 3.4
15:58 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
15:58 Oak @later tell cait sorry I was away... read your message now
15:58 annab anyone know much about transferring from millennium to koha?
15:46 gaetan_B yes i can go on a patron's page and choose delete
15:43 wizzyrea can you delete them in the normal way?
15:43 eythian It does seem quite odd
15:42 wizzyrea gaetan_B: that seems odd
15:24 gaetan_B i kept getting the confirmation message "0 patron will be deleted"
15:23 gaetan_B when trying to delete patron who have not issued documents since today (in a system where no document was ever issued) i was not able to delete any patron
15:23 gaetan_B does having no issues at all in the system blocks patron batch delete ?
15:14 kf bye all
15:12 jcamins oleonard: seems to have.
15:11 oleonard jcamins: Did that reverse the polarity of the neutron flow?
15:11 Joubu bye ++
15:07 jcamins rambutan: reset the power regulator, actually.
15:07 reiveune bye
15:04 kf jcamins: yay!
15:03 rambutan hammer and screwdriver?
15:01 jcamins Good news! My ethernet port is working again.
14:58 eythian cool. Patch submitted.
14:55 kf I have to work some on it law this week, but will try to test asap :)
14:55 kf eythian++
14:55 kf cool
14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8716 normal, P4, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Reordering of routing list entries doesn't work
14:55 eythian just about to post the fix on bug 8716
14:54 eythian kf: I've fixed the routing list reordering
14:53 jcamins_phone That would be the ideal, yes.
14:46 wajasu i can see that to test updatedatabase itself. but for a unit test, each probably should manage their own setup.teardown of its own test data.
14:39 jcamins Right, that workflow is going to fail almost all the time because updatedatabase needs to be run *after* the test data is loaded.
14:38 wajasu oh, i see, install wiz's db, then upgradedatabase, that works. i was working from no db, upgradedatabase, load tests data, run unit tests
14:37 jcamins Either way, the updatedatabase script should always take you from a working state to a working state, and any time it doesn't, you've found an error.
14:36 jcamins Alternatively, you have failed to incorporate changes into the unit test, in which case you have to fix the unit test.
14:36 jcamins Which needs to be fixed.
14:35 jcamins If they stop working, then they have identified an error in the functionality.
14:35 jcamins At no point should unit tests stop working.
14:35 jcamins Then you run updatedatabase whenever you update your system.
14:35 jcamins In this case, the sample that wizzyrea just shared.
14:34 jcamins You install a database.
14:34 wajasu may pass
14:34 wajasu i'm just saying that wizzyrea's script recreates the schema and the tests my pass.
14:33 jcamins That is exactly the sort of thing that is supposed to cause unit tests to fail.
14:33 jcamins Period.
14:33 jcamins If tests fail as a result of the updatedatabase, then the functionality *is* broken.
14:33 jcamins Right.
14:33 wajasu it migrates the schema.
14:32 jcamins I don't think you quite understand what updatedatabase is for.
14:31 wajasu though it only 20 days old.
14:31 wajasu yes. the schema is upgrade by the installer according to master's updatedatabase, but over time, that specific script with destroy my test schema, since it drops/creates tables. not in sync.
14:29 jcamins Right. So you have to upgrade the schema before using it.
14:28 wajasu that github data is a datebase dump. it drops tables a creates them, and it may not match the master schema i am testing.
14:26 jcamins wajasu: yes, that's the point of unit tests.
14:26 wajasu i know we aren't OO, yet :)
14:26 wajasu the unit test need to create the objects. so that when the schema changes, we adjust the unit test object factory accordingly.
14:25 wajasu i take that idea back.
14:20 wajasu OR checked in with the unit tests.
14:18 wajasu wizzyrea: maybe we can get that test data as an attachment to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Unit_Tests
14:16 wajasu gmcharlt++
14:15 oleonard And then they said they would give it back if they could give it to a third party, and we made that possible, and then they said nuh-uh.
14:15 gmcharlt the wiki is back up
14:15 wajasu ah
14:13 wizzyrea well they wouldn't give it back without rather insane and untenable conditions.
14:13 wizzyrea not really, we gave it to them, originally. They just wouldn't give it back.
14:12 wajasu so it was stolen out from underneath.
14:11 wizzyrea just the trust was gone
14:11 wizzyrea d
14:11 wizzyrea n
14:11 wizzyrea a
14:11 wizzyrea They were supposedly holding the domain "in trust" for the community
14:11 wizzyrea hm not really the same at all.
14:10 wajasu reminds me of koha.org
14:09 wizzyrea ba hahahahahahaha
14:09 jcamins Regardless what type of installation.
14:09 jcamins Right, you always have to set PERL5LIB.
14:08 wajasu thx
14:08 wajasu yup
14:08 wajasu but i didn't set my PERL5LIB
14:08 jcamins In that case, you didn't set PERL5LIB correctly.
14:08 jcamins If you are running Koha from /usr/share, then you will, of course, need to run make install.
14:08 wajasu i did a dev install.
14:08 eythian http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/anti-gay-marriage-group-loses-internet-domain-name-to-pro-gay-marriage-group/story-fnd134gw-1226464921343 <-- unrelated, but ahahahahaha
14:08 jcamins Anyway, if you're doing development, it is recommended that you use a dev install.
14:07 jcamins which install?
14:07 jcamins which installl?
14:07 wizzyrea ty :D gmcharlt++
14:07 jcamins wajasu: but install is not required.
14:07 wizzyrea the wiki's gone amok ;)
14:07 gmcharlt pong; looking at it
14:07 wajasu ok
14:07 wizzyrea ping gmcharlt
14:06 wajasu did the wiki run out of memory again?
14:06 wizzyrea it's not required.
14:06 wajasu so maybe a note, in the wiki saying make install is required ((only because i ran perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, (w/o make install)
14:04 wahanui hmmm... the wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org
14:04 wajasu wheres the wiki?
14:03 jcamins So you need to set PERL5LIB to match your environment.
14:03 jcamins No, the tests use whatever Koha installation you're testing.
14:03 wajasu also, some times i see errors refering the /usr/share/koha/lib/... do i need to do a make install? or change PERL5LIB? Shouldn't the tests refer to a path int he git heirarchy?
14:03 jcamins Yup, that looks right.
14:03 wizzyrea I think
14:03 wizzyrea ^^ this is the one I gave you, jcamins
14:03 wizzyrea https://github.com/wizzyrea/Scripts-and-Things/blob/master/kohadev-withbibs-andcheckouts.sql
14:01 jcamins wizzyrea: the test DB you gave me passed all tests, I think.
14:01 wizzyrea let me see if I can find it
14:01 wizzyrea I had a test db that had all of it for running the tests about 6 months ago
13:59 wajasu wizzyrea, do you know of some more test data(mysql script or such) I can run to get the needed data?
13:58 wajasu the rss.pl and smsoverdues.pl use HTML:Template:Pro so they fail.
13:58 wizzyrea yea, but the webinstaller doesn't install all data necessary for tests.
13:58 wizzyrea mock somethingerother
13:58 * libsysguy tries to remember the name
13:58 wajasu i did a clean db install, and webinstaller install all data.
13:58 wizzyrea or do that
13:58 wizzyrea so instead of poking at the tests, I'd make sure there's an option to "add all necessary data for tests" to the installer
13:58 libsysguy are you writing them to not use the database but to use that perl module that mimics the db
13:57 wizzyrea if you don't have it, they will fail.
13:57 wizzyrea you have to have the right data for the ones in t/db_dependent
13:57 libsysguy i see
13:57 wajasu the t tests passed on master, but there are a bunch in t/db_dependent that fail.
13:57 libsysguy perhaps I could make some for each C4:: module
13:56 libsysguy i'd hate to overlap
13:56 wajasu no
13:56 libsysguy is there a bug number you're working off of?
13:56 libsysguy I was about to start writing some as well
13:56 libsysguy ahh ok
13:55 wajasu then i will
13:55 wajasu i'm trying to fix the broken ones in t/db_dependent
13:55 libsysguy wajasu are you writing new unit tests?
13:54 wajasu so i'm going to add a minimal test biblio.
13:54 wajasu i added "The hobbit" using z3950 search. and the Reserves.t passed.
13:53 wizzyrea or make it an optional part of the installation
13:53 wajasu so i am going to copy some AddBiblio code from Biblio.t to prime the unit test.
13:53 wizzyrea it probably wouldn't hurt to have some :P
13:52 jcamins wajasu: by default there are no bib records in test data.
13:52 wajasu i'm looking a t/db_dependent/Reserves.t it assumes a biblio exists after a fresh db create with all optional data inserted. i am thinking i should just add a test biblio, so the reserve test doesn't have a NULL biblio to reserve.
13:52 wizzyrea what are the odds.
13:52 wizzyrea that will be two impossibly tall nordic guys I know who play uke. ;)
13:51 wizzyrea dude! ukulele!
13:49 jcamins That's pretty cool. :)
13:47 jcamins ... really?
13:46 * magnuse heads out to buy an ukulele
13:44 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #128: "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project" (added by wizzyrea at 07:11 PM, April 18, 2011)
13:44 gmcharlt @quote random
13:44 magnuse yay
13:39 jcamins Easy to do.
13:39 jcamins Looks like I just use from_json.
13:37 jcamins We don't seem to read in JSON ever, just write it out.
13:37 jcamins Yeah, that's what I did.
13:36 magnuse or something like that?
13:36 magnuse grep -r "use JSON" *
13:35 jcamins Right, I'm looking for an example of where we do that.
13:35 magnuse just use JSON.pm?
13:35 magnuse jcamins: do we?
13:34 jcamins Where do we parse JSON in Koha?
13:29 drojf wow, downloading a driver with < 100KB/s. hello samsung, it's 2012. and i got other things to do than wait 20 minutes for this :(
13:11 magnuse kf: yeah, looks to me like 8251 is not fixed after all
13:10 tcohen kf, i remember all of them
13:10 Oak \o/
13:10 magnuse Oak
13:10 Oak :)
13:10 kf hi Oak
13:09 Oak kf
13:09 Oak magnuse
13:09 Oak kia ora #koha
13:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
13:07 kf ah bug 8251
13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fine doubling
13:06 kf bug 8253
13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add tests for Calendar modules
13:06 kf bug 8110
13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data
13:06 kf bug 8418
13:05 tcohen i have both issues on 3.8: incorrect patrons debar, weird behaviour of calendar on calculating due_dat, debar-until date
13:05 jcamins oleonard: I found one in stage MARC.
13:05 oleonard jcamins: Hopefully any form?
13:04 libsysguy moves all the write functions to Koha::Closure and all the reads to Koha::Calendar
13:04 kf tcohen: there was one for suspending borrowers too - not sure what exactly you want to work on
13:04 jcamins Where would I find an example of fieldset done properly?
13:04 libsysguy yeah it completely kills c4::calendar
13:03 kf and we still have some nasty bugs to fix now
13:03 kf I think libsysguy is doing a rewrite
13:03 kf hm
13:03 * oleonard doesn't want libsysguy and tcohen's work to overlap
13:02 libsysguy but its not ready to be submitted
13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8656 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar not loading both sets of special dates
13:02 tcohen kf: Bug 8656
13:02 libsysguy I got a lot done with it
13:02 libsysguy oleonard, I put it down for a bit last week
13:00 mtompset But for now... Good day (24 hour period). I'm off.
12:59 mtompset Well, I found a sort order that makes sense (Auth down) for the marctagstructure when display subfields is checked... Now to figure out how to make it impossible to change under that condition.
12:59 magnuse jcamins: cool
12:57 oleonard Fine with me jcamins
12:57 oleonard libsysguy: You're working on the calendar though eh?
12:57 jcamins oleonard: are the colors I used okay?
12:56 kf hm none of those
12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4222 major, P2, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Nonpublic note not appearing in the staff client
12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5911 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Transport Cost Matrix of transporting an item between branches
12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Discharge management
12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8632 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , suspend in opac jumping to bottom of page
12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , edit hold from patron record
12:56 kf @query suspend
12:56 jcamins magnuse: the advantage of using a hidden syspref is that we have a backup plan for accessing the data.
12:56 kf tcohen: I think ColinC commented on one of them recently
12:55 * magnuse cheers jcamins on, 'cause he will need a similar trick for the digital signs stuff
12:55 tcohen is there any identified group of bugs about that?
12:54 * tcohen is about to start working on calendar/suspensions
12:53 jcamins I'm thinking I'll actually stick it in the systempreferences table.
12:52 jcamins I haven't figured out yet how to save the data.
12:52 oleonard Dang
12:52 jcamins We're going to have to go with option B, I think.
12:52 oleonard "Drunk with power" or "Not on your life"
12:52 jcamins Appreciation of your comedic genius? :P
12:52 * oleonard isn't sure how to interpret that laughter
12:51 jcamins Hahahaha!!!!!
12:51 oleonard jcamins: Next you can apply it to re-ordering holds and to re-ordering news items
12:50 jcamins oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/vO4sZ19c <-- those two boxes can be sorted into different orders
12:45 wahanui i guess oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
12:45 libsysguy hey oleonard
12:44 oleonard Hi libsysguy
12:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8498 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , can't specify an hour when specifying due date
12:35 oleonard Yes, and an issue which has been covered in the comments on Bug 8498, FWIW
12:33 mtompset in other words, that's acceptable scope creep. ;)
12:32 oleonard Yes, we should never not upgrade jqueryUI because something will break. We always fix what is broken.
12:31 jcamins mtompset: no, if we can't upgrade jqueryui we probably need to fix it.
12:31 mtompset And then you will be sad about not being able to use the cool tool? ;)
12:30 jcamins If it does, we can't upgrade jqueryui.
12:30 jcamins No.
12:30 mtompset Will that break other things?
12:29 jcamins Yeah, that was the other thing I was going to ask you about.
12:29 oleonard I wish their download builder could use specified previous versions. Since it doesn't, your addition might include a jqueryUI upgrade.
12:27 jcamins Yep. Makes sense to me.
12:27 oleonard See if that makes sense jcamins, and if not I'll expand on it
12:27 jcamins Excellent, thank you.
12:26 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Using_jQueryUI_widgets
12:26 jcamins The question is, how does one go about adding to the jQueryUI library?
12:25 jcamins Sorry, I was called away from the computer for the moment.
12:25 oleonard I just object to putting them all in without having a use for all of them.
12:25 oleonard jcamins: For the record, I don't object to any additions to the jQueryUI library
12:25 jcamins http://jqueryui.com/demos/sortable/ <-- awesomeness incarnate
12:25 jcamins :D
12:25 jcamins It's SO COOL!
12:25 jcamins Sortable.
12:25 jcamins No.
12:24 oleonard Ah, you don't mean table sorting then jcamins
12:24 * mtompset grumbles about the sorting of a page.
12:24 jcamins It seems that our jquery-ui master js file is lacking sortable.
12:24 mtompset Thanks for the reminder, jcamins.
12:23 mtompset Oh right... I forgot to log that other bug!
12:23 nengard hello
12:23 jcamins oleonard: I want to add sortable to a new page on the staff client.
12:23 mtompset Greetings, nengard.
12:23 mtompset jcamins has been seeing a lot. ;)
12:23 jcamins tcohen: I saw. :)
12:22 jcamins oleonard: what a coincidence. I was just thinking about you.
12:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8520 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authorities display incorrectly in staff results
12:22 tcohen hi jcamins, rangi signed on bug 8520
12:22 oleonard Hi
12:22 mtompset Greetings, tcohen and oleonard
12:22 jcamins Good morning, tcohen and oleonard.
12:20 tcohen morning #koha
11:58 mtompset Welcome back, alex_a.
11:52 jcamins I saw that.
11:51 mtompset I got back to it today.
11:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8339 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , div id="login" should be id="login_controls" in header.inc
11:51 mtompset bug 8339.
11:50 mtompset that reminds me of my bug that I think I have saved from a failed QA.
11:50 mtompset speaking of rebasing...
11:48 jcamins It's going to need an impressive amount of rebasing.
11:48 jcamins If you wanted.
11:47 mtompset Could I resurrect this, if I wanted?
11:44 jcamins I moved my Koha instances to a different server with direct access to the internet.
11:43 mtompset So why aren't you running being a reverse proxy anymore?
11:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Koha authentication should handle proxies better
11:42 jcamins bug 6800
11:41 eythian that's the best idea, even if you collapse them into one set of names, so long as apache knows what those names are it'll work
11:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add test case to detect merge conflict markers in the code
11:41 jcamins bug 5400?
11:41 mtompset we're going to put the fully qualified names in.
11:40 jcamins Your problem is a misconfigured proxy.
11:40 jcamins However, the patch won't help you.
11:40 jcamins Okay, I don't remember.
11:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6700 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Better handling of version numbers in updatedatabase
11:40 jcamins bug 6700
11:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Bulk MARC biblio export script
11:39 jcamins bug 5600
11:39 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
11:39 jcamins Very true.
11:39 wahanui hmmm... the patch is pretty old now, good luck
11:39 mtompset where's the patch?
11:39 eythian I assumed it was resolved the way I consider best ;)
11:39 jcamins My patch for that languished so I closed it when I stopped using a reverse proxy.
11:39 eythian Oh, there was talk about that a while ago.
11:39 jcamins eythian: Koha doesn't handle X-Forwarded-For.
11:38 eythian I think it understands some things to do with X-Forwarded-For, but that's about all that counts as reverse-proxy aware.
11:37 eythian that's not really a statement that makes sense, I think
11:37 mtompset So Koha is not reverse proxy aware?
11:37 eythian yeah, serveralias will let you do that sort of thing if you need it to
11:36 mtompset because we may be transitioning and/or running concurrently a site with ...-asia.net and ...-global.net
11:36 mtompset Ah. Okay.
11:30 eythian I usually add ServerAlias for those sorts of things
11:29 eythian not only kosher, recommended
11:29 mtompset and editing the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<instance config> to add a second name later is kosher?
11:28 eythian mtompset: that sounds like the problem then
11:20 mtompset it was passing a short name for the host name.
11:20 mtompset I have access to the reverse proxy.
11:19 mtompset eythian: You still here?
11:19 mtompset Greetings, everyone.
10:58 slef anyway, seems like it's probably a local problem
10:57 kf will try again
10:57 kf I thought I installed that one
10:57 kf hmm
10:56 magnuse kf: i had to install DBD::Mock to get the tests to complete
10:56 slef surely it wouldn't work at all if not?
10:56 slef I wonder if update22to30.pl was ever run on this koha.
10:53 slef it changed after a3999812e691110f2e16fffd91ce0ed82d69178c
10:49 slef jcamins: heh.
10:49 jcamins_away slef: if the DB is a mess, it's probably an upgrade from 2.x? :P
10:48 kf hm, there is none I am aware of
10:48 slef is there any way to see if it's an upgrade from 2.x before I got here?
10:47 slef so it's a bit odd a 3.0 install had that
10:46 slef from 2007
10:46 slef f8e9fb6 rel_3_0 moved to HEAD (introducing new files)
10:44 slef well this will be a test of git ;)
10:43 kf so either it's old, or I missed it
10:43 kf hm, I don't remember the change at all :(
10:43 slef I'm now checking the git, but does anyone remember when userflags was changed to innodb?
10:42 kf hm the test suite seems quite unhappy
10:42 slef userflags was a myisam table
10:42 slef I found the cause of that strange foreign key error.
10:36 wahanui When I hear the word "IPv6", I reach for my resolver
10:36 eythian IPv6?
10:36 wahanui OK, eythian.
10:36 eythian wahanui: IPv6 is <reply> When I hear the word "IPv6", I reach for \my resolver
10:36 wahanui eythian: I forgot ipv6
10:36 eythian wahanui: forget ipv6
10:35 eythian haha
10:35 wahanui When I hear the word "IPv6", I reach for eythian's resolver
10:35 eythian IPv6?
10:35 wahanui OK, eythian.
10:35 eythian wahanui: IPv6 is <reply> When I hear the word "IPv6", I reach for my resolver
10:34 eythian Many things that are bad ideas work.
10:28 mtompset And then try to figure out why the file modifications which were discussed briefly last night as a bad idea (tm) work.
10:27 mtompset Then I'll be able to look at the reverse proxy setup we have.
10:27 mtompset I'm in the midst of waiting for my colleague to figure out why my ssh access to a VM isn't working.
10:26 eythian I always just set up a reverse proxy to allow external access, but it's not something I need a lot anyway
10:25 eythian No, I don't think it does
10:25 mtompset So, if I'm in a wireless only environment, I need the other two adapters.
10:25 mtompset Bridged doesn't work over wireless, as far as I know.
10:24 mtompset Actually, this is why in my VM's I have three adapters: 1 Bridged, 2 NAT, 3 Host-Only.
10:24 eythian in that case you'd use a bridge adapter, but that would make the BSZ network people unhappy I'd guess
10:24 mtompset depends on if she wants someone else on the network to reach it and how the lan is setup. ;)
10:23 eythian mtompset: no it doesn't, the default host-only adapter config works (for me, anyway)
10:23 mtompset (assuming signed integers)
10:22 mtompset Also... virtualbox may be only 32bit... so a 2GB limit is kind of implied. :)
10:21 mtompset You go into the RED, and your machine may barf.
10:21 mtompset kf... are you using virtualbox? There are GREEN and RED sections in the memory selection bar.
10:20 mtompset host-only needs to be promiscuous -- Allow-Host or Allow-All. ;)
10:06 kf thx!
10:06 kf have to figure out the right settings .)
10:05 eythian one NAT for the internet, the other host-only network for the host to talk to it
10:05 kf yeah
10:05 eythian two network devices
10:04 kf only have to figure out how to access the koha installation from the host
10:04 kf yeah, will see how it turns out this time
10:04 eythian kf: ah, tricky. I don't think I've ever run with more than about 1GB or so
10:03 kf mmh
10:03 eythian http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appelflap <-- kf
10:03 kf ooh
10:03 magnuse [% record.field('245').subfield('a') %] hm...
10:03 kf eythian: oh, and I foudn out it might be a bug or something in current virtualbox - as soon as it gets more than 2000 ram it guru meditates
10:02 kf what is appelflap?
10:02 eythian OK :)
10:02 * magnuse would do a benchmark comparing processing marc records with xslt versus tt, if he had the time for it
10:02 eythian no, but I did have appelflap
10:02 kf eythian: installing ubuntu server edition now... I am not giving up yet.
10:01 kf do they give you icecream too?
10:01 magnuse well as long as *you* are fine with i guess all is as it should be :-)
10:01 kf hehe
10:01 kf hmpf.
10:00 eythian I feel that I might be treading a fine line, but I'm OK with that
10:00 magnuse eythian: the pic looked rather nice too... are you sure you are not having too much fun?
09:59 kf hmpf.
09:58 eythian I win!
09:58 huginn eythian: The current temperature in MeteOosterhout, Oosterhout Nb, Netherlands is 22.9°C (11:56 AM CEST on September 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
09:58 eythian @wunder oosterhout
09:58 magnuse hehe
09:58 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.4°C (11:55 AM CEST on September 04, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
09:58 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:57 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on September 04, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Falling).
09:57 magnuse @wunder boo
09:56 kf hmpf
09:56 eythian It's mine now!
09:56 kf it's still cold here
09:56 kf give the good weather back1
09:53 kf meany
09:52 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/1GpvFDDDiT7UOlUyd77J3T <-- kf, my "office" at the moment
09:52 kf I found what I was looking for
09:52 kf that#s ok
09:51 mtompset That's actually a redirect, kf. But, I made sure it works. :)
09:47 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:47 kf packages
09:24 wahanui privet, eythian
09:24 eythian hello
09:23 kf hi eythian
09:17 wahanui bonjour, eythian
09:17 eythian hello
09:17 magnuse hiya hdl kf Joubu and eythian
09:07 kf hi Joubu1
09:07 Joubu1 hi all
08:24 mtompset Hmm... I tried developer tools, and this website still complains. GRR... oh well, at least it isn't a Koha problem. :)
08:20 mtompset Anyone know how to tell IE to pretend it is an earlier version?
08:16 kf hi paul_p and mtompset
08:15 mtompset Greetings, paul_p and kf.
08:00 kf good morning #koha
07:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , items.materials check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl
07:38 mtompset bug 8175
07:38 mtompset I think one of my bugs lost a QA contact.
07:37 mtompset Oh yuck.
07:23 mtompset YAY! I think I have rescued my bug from a failed QA status. :)
07:11 mtompset Greetings, matts.
07:10 matts hi !
07:09 mtompset Greetings, gaetan_B, francharb.
07:08 francharb` good morning #koha
07:05 wahanui hi, gaetan_B
07:05 gaetan_B hello
07:00 mtompset That part of the bug process I still need to remember. :)
07:00 cait bye all
07:00 cait ok, have to go
06:59 cait if you test it, you leave it assigned to the patch writer
06:59 cait you assign it to yourself
06:59 cait if you provide a patch
06:58 mtompset and provided a patch.
06:58 mtompset There I assigned it to myself... which basically only means I tested it correct?
06:57 mtompset I did test it.
06:56 cait assign
06:56 mtompset Sorry for the typographical errors.
06:56 cait mtompset: you should assig that bug to yourself :)
06:56 mtompset wouldn't mind...
06:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , items.materials check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl
06:56 mtompset bug 8175.
06:56 mtompset Yes... perhaps you wouldn't might looking at 8175 again?
06:55 mtompset Let me check... I think you may have looked at my bug before...
06:55 julian_m hello mtompset
06:55 mtompset bonjour, julian_m
06:49 mtompset I'm going to pull this failed QA patch onto the right patch if it kills me. ARG!
06:49 sophie_m hi mtompset
06:48 mtompset bonjour, reiveune sophie_m.
06:45 reiveune salut cait :)
06:45 cait hi reiveune :)
06:39 wahanui hola, reiveune
06:39 reiveune hello
06:26 mtompset That's dumb.
06:25 mtompset Ah... because I was before the .clearfix definition.
06:21 mtompset How annoying. i have to specify #header.clearfix BEFORE my div id in order to get my properties to cascade to it?!
06:20 mtompset Greetings, drojf
06:19 drojf good morning cait and #koha
06:19 cait morning drojf
06:12 mtj the 3.8.x branch is stable
06:11 halcyonCorsair is the 3.8.x branch stable?
06:03 magnuse hehe... SaaD - Software as a Disservice
05:47 mtompset Hindsight is 20/20. ;)
05:46 mtompset But if you are running Debian or Ubuntu... why do a tarball install? ;)
05:46 mtompset Though, I suspect with the tweaks I have made recently, I'd get further. :)
05:46 mtompset I installed Debian, and tried a previous version of my instructions. I had difficulty.
05:45 magnuse hiya cait and mtompset
05:45 cait hi mtompset
05:44 mtompset I haven't finished cleaning up the git instructions.
05:44 mtompset That's tarball instructions.
05:44 mtompset I updated it with my notes.
05:44 mtompset That's what I did for my koha. I'm running Ubuntu... http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
05:43 mtompset Greetings, cait.
05:43 halcyonCorsair mtompset: with any luck that'll end up being veeery easy
05:43 mtompset Greetings, magnuse.
05:43 cait hi magnuse
05:41 * magnuse waves
05:39 mtompset I keep installing and installing in multiple VMs. :)
05:39 mtompset I'm starting to get pretty good at installing.
05:33 halcyonCorsair i think i almost have a very very dirty chef recipe
05:33 mtompset nevermind... I scrolled back. :)
05:33 halcyonCorsair either or :)
05:32 mtompset halcyonCorsair: Manual install how? git? tarball?
05:16 cait ok
05:15 halcyonCorsair the packages do so, they do something different
05:15 halcyonCorsair Makefile.PL doesn't ask
05:13 cait when you are running from the packages, there is a conf file used (i think)
05:13 cait halcyonCorsair: I think you get asked when running Makefile.pl
05:11 wajasu in ports.conf Listen 80 and Listen 8080 is in ports
05:10 wajasu the LIsten line?
05:10 wajasu make sure NameVirtualHost *:8080 in ports.conf matches what is inthe koha-httpd.conf (use asterisk)
05:10 halcyonCorsair wajasu: yes, btw where does koha-http.conf get it from / how do I override it during installation?
05:09 wajasu and /etc/apache2/port.conf
05:07 wajasu in /etc/koha/koha-http.conf
05:04 halcyonCorsair where does the apache conf get its virtualhost ip?
05:04 wajasu i'll make a note of it.
05:03 cait but maybe also something for the mailing list
05:03 cait wajasu: you can add it to the agenda if you want to
05:02 wajasu rangi: maybe sms and rss should be brought up at the upcoming meeting.
05:01 wajasu later
05:00 * rangi goes to catch the bus
05:00 wajasu thats the way i feel. i would rather rewrite the messaging as plack apps, and use template toolkit to get rid of alot of duplicate code.
04:58 rangi halcyonCorsair: probably the best for your purposes
04:58 halcyonCorsair rangi: i'll just go back to stable for now
04:58 rangi wajasu: id be more inclined to deprecate them, or at least threaten to, and see if anyone complains, they cant have been being used for nearly 2 years now
04:57 wajasu rangi: the same things goes for the rss.pl. it uses the old template module.
04:57 rangi however, you can skip the make test and continue with the install, the Moose stuff is optional, but the tests don't think it is (in master anyway) i submitted a bug for that, but the author hasnt fixed it yet
04:56 cait morning
04:56 halcyonCorsair rangi: err, right
04:56 rangi sorry i should have told you to use one of the stable branches, 3.8.x or 3.6.x if you wanted to have a clean install, master is a moving target
04:55 rangi halcyonCorsair: you are installing from master? (the dev branch) yeah that moose stuff is to do with the Solr stuff
04:54 wajasu it reminds me ov overdue_notice.pl
04:54 mtj anyhoo… sounds good wajasu! :)
04:53 halcyonCorsair http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/612660
04:53 wajasu my $template = HTML::Template::Pro->new(filename => $intranetdir.'/scripts/misc/notifys/templates ... in master.
04:53 halcyonCorsair anyone know what might be causing this? v
04:53 mtj all of the above :)
04:52 rangi it uses HTML::Template::Pro, and isn't in use by anyone afaik, because sending sms involves dealing with telcos and that sux
04:52 rangi only Template::Toolkit
04:52 rangi there is not HTML::Template::Toolkit
04:51 mtj 'it uses HTML::Template::Toolkit' , already ?
04:50 wajasu so i can rewrite smsoverdues.pl using template toolkit. i'll have to mock accordingly though.
04:49 halcyonCorsair bloody hell what a pita to install manually :\
04:41 mtj wajasu, its html::template-pro thats removed - html:tt is ok :)
04:35 * wajasu wonders is smsoverdues.pl has been broken for some time (since 3.4) after scanning bugs and it uses HTML::Template::Toolkit
04:35 wajasu when i run koha_perl_deps.pl -a none of those are "required" for the master code branch. can't be sure about 3.8 though. when you run the webinstaller at first login, i thought i remember it would complain if a required module was missing.
04:31 halcyonCorsair are these important? http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/26fc65
04:20 wajasu halcyonCorsair: one thing is /var/lib/koha contains zebra indexes. find /var/ -name "*koha*" might give you some hints.
04:08 mtompset I don't think so, halcyonCorsair. As the packages versions of koha (apt-get install koha-common, etc. see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze) only insert an entry into the /etc/passwd file.
03:54 halcyonCorsair rangi: what does the koha user need to be able to do? eg. have a real home / shell?
02:55 wajasu can i skipp one test? prove t/db_dependent --SKIP 00-strict.t or such to save myself some time?
02:47 mtompset That's why I always say 'no'. :)
02:45 mtompset answering yes to the db tests runs them before the webinstall. I thought that was a bizarre thing. Though, it would work if you were moving from one system to another and the db was already up to date.
02:45 wajasu i saw that.
02:44 rangi make sure you install all the sample data
02:44 wajasu webinstalling...
02:44 rangi yep
02:44 mtompset then run the db tests. :)
02:43 rangi or manually run updatedatabase.pl
02:43 rangi just visit your koha site, and it will tell you you need to run the update, do that
02:43 rangi why?
02:43 rangi no
02:42 wajasu i did a dev install. i answered yes to db tests. i had created a kohatest DB and selected that for the tests. so i must need to change my koha-conf.xml?
02:42 * mtompset smiles, "Thanks for the push, rangi."
02:39 wajasu ahh
02:39 rangi that just means you havent run updatedatabase lately
02:39 rangi no
02:39 wajasu i guess we remove these from sysprefs: PrefillItem SubfieldsToUseWhenPrefill OpacSuppressionByIPRange since they fail the existence test.
02:35 wajasu i can probably address uninitialized errors that are in tests as well :)
02:34 wajasu so we have test dependencies (not required in koha_perl_deps.pl) and we just need to find out at run time.
02:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4064 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Uninitialized variable errors in opac-search.pl
02:33 jenkins_koha mtompset: Bug 4064 - Uninitialized variable errors in opac-search.pl
02:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #154: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/154/
02:29 rangi used by the benchmarking scripts for one
02:29 rangi yep, those are optional dependencies you mustn't have installed
02:27 wajasu it db_dependent/00-strict.t that is picking up HTTPD/Bench/ApacheBench.pm Unix/Syslog.pm (zebra_queuedaemon.pl) File/Slurp.pm are missing.
02:20 wajasu ok.
02:19 rangi any that fail because of HTML::Template::Pro either need to be removed, or fixed, since we dont use that at all anymore
02:18 wajasu rangi: ok i see a bunch of db-dependent tests failing. a few fail because thay can't find HTML::Template:Pro and few others, ApacheBench etc.
02:18 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu#MySQL (you'll need to scroll down some)
02:17 mtompset Oh... I like that much better than my solution.
02:17 rangi cool
02:16 halcyonCorsair rangi: this did the trick: http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/4e92a8
02:16 mtompset Really?! about.pl says it isn't installed.
02:16 mtompset libchi-perl is already the newest version.
02:15 mtompset I'm confused how about.pl determines what is installed and what is not.
02:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
01:57 * rangi just does koha-create --create-db <instancename goes here>
01:57 halcyonCorsair gah
01:43 rangi hmm thats probably older than 5.5, the last install I did, i didnt touch the mysql conf at all, just let the koha set up the tables/db with utf8
01:41 halcyonCorsair rangi: with 5.5?
01:36 halcyonCorsair i'll give it a shot, that's slightly different than what I was trying
01:34 rangi the rest of the instructions are ok
01:34 rangi on a box with less than 2gig ram
01:33 rangi you definitely dont what the medium config tho
01:33 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze_(Git_Method)#Installing_and_Configuring_MySQL
01:33 rangi however you can do this
01:32 rangi with the newer versions you shouldn't have to do anything, the db schema forces all the tables into being utf8
01:31 halcyonCorsair can anyone help me with mysql and getting it completely utf8?
01:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #154 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:25 jcamins_away [off] Right, someone else gets to explain to dummy what an "authid" is.
00:19 wajasu ok running db_dependent...
00:13 wajasu might ned dev install.
00:11 wajasu :)
00:11 wajasu ls
00:10 wajasu prove t/db_dependant => Cannot determine source for t/db_dependant at /usr/share/perl/5.10/App/Prove.pm line 496.
00:04 wajasu pulled fresh master. all test passed (make test).