Time Nick Message 00:04 wajasu pulled fresh master. all test passed (make test). 00:10 wajasu prove t/db_dependant => Cannot determine source for t/db_dependant at /usr/share/perl/5.10/App/Prove.pm line 496. 00:11 wajasu ls 00:11 wajasu :) 00:13 wajasu might ned dev install. 00:19 wajasu ok running db_dependent... 00:25 jcamins_away [off] Right, someone else gets to explain to dummy what an "authid" is. 01:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #154 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:31 halcyonCorsair can anyone help me with mysql and getting it completely utf8? 01:32 rangi with the newer versions you shouldn't have to do anything, the db schema forces all the tables into being utf8 01:33 rangi however you can do this 01:33 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze_(Git_Method)#Installing_and_Configuring_MySQL 01:33 rangi you definitely dont what the medium config tho 01:34 rangi on a box with less than 2gig ram 01:34 rangi the rest of the instructions are ok 01:36 halcyonCorsair i'll give it a shot, that's slightly different than what I was trying 01:41 halcyonCorsair rangi: with 5.5? 01:43 rangi hmm thats probably older than 5.5, the last install I did, i didnt touch the mysql conf at all, just let the koha set up the tables/db with utf8 01:57 halcyonCorsair gah 01:57 * rangi just does koha-create --create-db <instancename goes here> 02:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:15 mtompset I'm confused how about.pl determines what is installed and what is not. 02:16 mtompset libchi-perl is already the newest version. 02:16 mtompset Really?! about.pl says it isn't installed. 02:16 halcyonCorsair rangi: this did the trick: http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/4e92a8 02:17 rangi cool 02:17 mtompset Oh... I like that much better than my solution. 02:18 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu#MySQL (you'll need to scroll down some) 02:18 wajasu rangi: ok i see a bunch of db-dependent tests failing. a few fail because thay can't find HTML::Template:Pro and few others, ApacheBench etc. 02:19 rangi any that fail because of HTML::Template::Pro either need to be removed, or fixed, since we dont use that at all anymore 02:20 wajasu ok. 02:27 wajasu it db_dependent/00-strict.t that is picking up HTTPD/Bench/ApacheBench.pm Unix/Syslog.pm (zebra_queuedaemon.pl) File/Slurp.pm are missing. 02:29 rangi yep, those are optional dependencies you mustn't have installed 02:29 rangi used by the benchmarking scripts for one 02:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #154: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/154/ 02:33 jenkins_koha mtompset: Bug 4064 - Uninitialized variable errors in opac-search.pl 02:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4064 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Uninitialized variable errors in opac-search.pl 02:34 wajasu so we have test dependencies (not required in koha_perl_deps.pl) and we just need to find out at run time. 02:35 wajasu i can probably address uninitialized errors that are in tests as well :) 02:39 wajasu i guess we remove these from sysprefs: PrefillItem SubfieldsToUseWhenPrefill OpacSuppressionByIPRange since they fail the existence test. 02:39 rangi no 02:39 rangi that just means you havent run updatedatabase lately 02:39 wajasu ahh 02:42 * mtompset smiles, "Thanks for the push, rangi." 02:42 wajasu i did a dev install. i answered yes to db tests. i had created a kohatest DB and selected that for the tests. so i must need to change my koha-conf.xml? 02:43 rangi no 02:43 rangi why? 02:43 rangi just visit your koha site, and it will tell you you need to run the update, do that 02:43 rangi or manually run updatedatabase.pl 02:44 mtompset then run the db tests. :) 02:44 rangi yep 02:44 wajasu webinstalling... 02:44 rangi make sure you install all the sample data 02:45 wajasu i saw that. 02:45 mtompset answering yes to the db tests runs them before the webinstall. I thought that was a bizarre thing. Though, it would work if you were moving from one system to another and the db was already up to date. 02:47 mtompset That's why I always say 'no'. :) 02:55 wajasu can i skipp one test? prove t/db_dependent --SKIP 00-strict.t or such to save myself some time? 03:54 halcyonCorsair rangi: what does the koha user need to be able to do? eg. have a real home / shell? 04:08 mtompset I don't think so, halcyonCorsair. As the packages versions of koha (apt-get install koha-common, etc. see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze) only insert an entry into the /etc/passwd file. 04:20 wajasu halcyonCorsair: one thing is /var/lib/koha contains zebra indexes. find /var/ -name "*koha*" might give you some hints. 04:31 halcyonCorsair are these important? http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/26fc65 04:35 wajasu when i run koha_perl_deps.pl -a none of those are "required" for the master code branch. can't be sure about 3.8 though. when you run the webinstaller at first login, i thought i remember it would complain if a required module was missing. 04:35 * wajasu wonders is smsoverdues.pl has been broken for some time (since 3.4) after scanning bugs and it uses HTML::Template::Toolkit 04:41 mtj wajasu, its html::template-pro thats removed - html:tt is ok :) 04:49 halcyonCorsair bloody hell what a pita to install manually :\ 04:50 wajasu so i can rewrite smsoverdues.pl using template toolkit. i'll have to mock accordingly though. 04:51 mtj 'it uses HTML::Template::Toolkit' , already ? 04:52 rangi there is not HTML::Template::Toolkit 04:52 rangi only Template::Toolkit 04:52 rangi it uses HTML::Template::Pro, and isn't in use by anyone afaik, because sending sms involves dealing with telcos and that sux 04:53 mtj all of the above :) 04:53 halcyonCorsair anyone know what might be causing this? v 04:53 wajasu my $template = HTML::Template::Pro->new(filename => $intranetdir.'/scripts/misc/notifys/templates ... in master. 04:53 halcyonCorsair http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/612660 04:54 mtj anyhoo… sounds good wajasu! :) 04:54 wajasu it reminds me ov overdue_notice.pl 04:55 rangi halcyonCorsair: you are installing from master? (the dev branch) yeah that moose stuff is to do with the Solr stuff 04:56 rangi sorry i should have told you to use one of the stable branches, 3.8.x or 3.6.x if you wanted to have a clean install, master is a moving target 04:56 halcyonCorsair rangi: err, right 04:56 cait morning 04:57 rangi however, you can skip the make test and continue with the install, the Moose stuff is optional, but the tests don't think it is (in master anyway) i submitted a bug for that, but the author hasnt fixed it yet 04:57 wajasu rangi: the same things goes for the rss.pl. it uses the old template module. 04:58 rangi wajasu: id be more inclined to deprecate them, or at least threaten to, and see if anyone complains, they cant have been being used for nearly 2 years now 04:58 halcyonCorsair rangi: i'll just go back to stable for now 04:58 rangi halcyonCorsair: probably the best for your purposes 05:00 wajasu thats the way i feel. i would rather rewrite the messaging as plack apps, and use template toolkit to get rid of alot of duplicate code. 05:00 * rangi goes to catch the bus 05:01 wajasu later 05:02 wajasu rangi: maybe sms and rss should be brought up at the upcoming meeting. 05:03 cait wajasu: you can add it to the agenda if you want to 05:03 cait but maybe also something for the mailing list 05:04 wajasu i'll make a note of it. 05:04 halcyonCorsair where does the apache conf get its virtualhost ip? 05:07 wajasu in /etc/koha/koha-http.conf 05:09 wajasu and /etc/apache2/port.conf 05:10 halcyonCorsair wajasu: yes, btw where does koha-http.conf get it from / how do I override it during installation? 05:10 wajasu make sure NameVirtualHost *:8080 in ports.conf matches what is inthe koha-httpd.conf (use asterisk) 05:10 wajasu the LIsten line? 05:11 wajasu in ports.conf Listen 80 and Listen 8080 is in ports 05:13 cait halcyonCorsair: I think you get asked when running Makefile.pl 05:13 cait when you are running from the packages, there is a conf file used (i think) 05:15 halcyonCorsair Makefile.PL doesn't ask 05:15 halcyonCorsair the packages do so, they do something different 05:16 cait ok 05:32 mtompset halcyonCorsair: Manual install how? git? tarball? 05:33 halcyonCorsair either or :) 05:33 mtompset nevermind... I scrolled back. :) 05:33 halcyonCorsair i think i almost have a very very dirty chef recipe 05:39 mtompset I'm starting to get pretty good at installing. 05:39 mtompset I keep installing and installing in multiple VMs. :) 05:41 * magnuse waves 05:43 cait hi magnuse 05:43 mtompset Greetings, magnuse. 05:43 halcyonCorsair mtompset: with any luck that'll end up being veeery easy 05:43 mtompset Greetings, cait. 05:44 mtompset That's what I did for my koha. I'm running Ubuntu... http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 05:44 mtompset I updated it with my notes. 05:44 mtompset That's tarball instructions. 05:44 mtompset I haven't finished cleaning up the git instructions. 05:45 cait hi mtompset 05:45 magnuse hiya cait and mtompset 05:46 mtompset I installed Debian, and tried a previous version of my instructions. I had difficulty. 05:46 mtompset Though, I suspect with the tweaks I have made recently, I'd get further. :) 05:46 mtompset But if you are running Debian or Ubuntu... why do a tarball install? ;) 05:47 mtompset Hindsight is 20/20. ;) 06:03 magnuse hehe... SaaD - Software as a Disservice 06:11 halcyonCorsair is the 3.8.x branch stable? 06:12 mtj the 3.8.x branch is stable 06:19 cait morning drojf 06:19 drojf good morning cait and #koha 06:20 mtompset Greetings, drojf 06:21 mtompset How annoying. i have to specify #header.clearfix BEFORE my div id in order to get my properties to cascade to it?! 06:25 mtompset Ah... because I was before the .clearfix definition. 06:26 mtompset That's dumb. 06:39 reiveune hello 06:39 wahanui hola, reiveune 06:45 cait hi reiveune :) 06:45 reiveune salut cait :) 06:48 mtompset bonjour, reiveune sophie_m. 06:49 sophie_m hi mtompset 06:49 mtompset I'm going to pull this failed QA patch onto the right patch if it kills me. ARG! 06:55 mtompset bonjour, julian_m 06:55 julian_m hello mtompset 06:55 mtompset Let me check... I think you may have looked at my bug before... 06:56 mtompset Yes... perhaps you wouldn't might looking at 8175 again? 06:56 mtompset bug 8175. 06:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , items.materials check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl 06:56 mtompset wouldn't mind... 06:56 cait mtompset: you should assig that bug to yourself :) 06:56 mtompset Sorry for the typographical errors. 06:56 cait assign 06:57 mtompset I did test it. 06:58 mtompset There I assigned it to myself... which basically only means I tested it correct? 06:58 mtompset and provided a patch. 06:59 cait if you provide a patch 06:59 cait you assign it to yourself 06:59 cait if you test it, you leave it assigned to the patch writer 07:00 cait ok, have to go 07:00 cait bye all 07:00 mtompset That part of the bug process I still need to remember. :) 07:05 gaetan_B hello 07:05 wahanui hi, gaetan_B 07:08 francharb` good morning #koha 07:09 mtompset Greetings, gaetan_B, francharb. 07:10 matts hi ! 07:11 mtompset Greetings, matts. 07:23 mtompset YAY! I think I have rescued my bug from a failed QA status. :) 07:37 mtompset Oh yuck. 07:38 mtompset I think one of my bugs lost a QA contact. 07:38 mtompset bug 8175 07:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8175 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , items.materials check logs error or displays incorrectly in details.pl 08:00 kf good morning #koha 08:15 mtompset Greetings, paul_p and kf. 08:16 kf hi paul_p and mtompset 08:20 mtompset Anyone know how to tell IE to pretend it is an earlier version? 08:24 mtompset Hmm... I tried developer tools, and this website still complains. GRR... oh well, at least it isn't a Koha problem. :) 09:07 Joubu1 hi all 09:07 kf hi Joubu1 09:17 magnuse hiya hdl kf Joubu and eythian 09:17 eythian hello 09:17 wahanui bonjour, eythian 09:23 kf hi eythian 09:24 eythian hello 09:24 wahanui privet, eythian 09:47 kf packages 09:47 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 09:51 mtompset That's actually a redirect, kf. But, I made sure it works. :) 09:52 kf that#s ok 09:52 kf I found what I was looking for 09:52 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/1GpvFDDDiT7UOlUyd77J3T <-- kf, my "office" at the moment 09:53 kf meany 09:56 kf give the good weather back1 09:56 kf it's still cold here 09:56 eythian It's mine now! 09:56 kf hmpf 09:57 magnuse @wunder boo 09:57 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on September 04, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Falling). 09:58 kf @wunder Konstanz 09:58 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.4°C (11:55 AM CEST on September 04, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 09:58 magnuse hehe 09:58 eythian @wunder oosterhout 09:58 huginn eythian: The current temperature in MeteOosterhout, Oosterhout Nb, Netherlands is 22.9°C (11:56 AM CEST on September 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 09:58 eythian I win! 09:59 kf hmpf. 10:00 magnuse eythian: the pic looked rather nice too... are you sure you are not having too much fun? 10:00 eythian I feel that I might be treading a fine line, but I'm OK with that 10:01 kf hmpf. 10:01 kf hehe 10:01 magnuse well as long as *you* are fine with i guess all is as it should be :-) 10:01 kf do they give you icecream too? 10:02 kf eythian: installing ubuntu server edition now... I am not giving up yet. 10:02 eythian no, but I did have appelflap 10:02 * magnuse would do a benchmark comparing processing marc records with xslt versus tt, if he had the time for it 10:02 eythian OK :) 10:02 kf what is appelflap? 10:03 kf eythian: oh, and I foudn out it might be a bug or something in current virtualbox - as soon as it gets more than 2000 ram it guru meditates 10:03 magnuse [% record.field('245').subfield('a') %] hm... 10:03 kf ooh 10:03 eythian http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appelflap <-- kf 10:03 kf mmh 10:04 eythian kf: ah, tricky. I don't think I've ever run with more than about 1GB or so 10:04 kf yeah, will see how it turns out this time 10:04 kf only have to figure out how to access the koha installation from the host 10:05 eythian two network devices 10:05 kf yeah 10:05 eythian one NAT for the internet, the other host-only network for the host to talk to it 10:06 kf have to figure out the right settings .) 10:06 kf thx! 10:20 mtompset host-only needs to be promiscuous -- Allow-Host or Allow-All. ;) 10:21 mtompset kf... are you using virtualbox? There are GREEN and RED sections in the memory selection bar. 10:21 mtompset You go into the RED, and your machine may barf. 10:22 mtompset Also... virtualbox may be only 32bit... so a 2GB limit is kind of implied. :) 10:23 mtompset (assuming signed integers) 10:23 eythian mtompset: no it doesn't, the default host-only adapter config works (for me, anyway) 10:24 mtompset depends on if she wants someone else on the network to reach it and how the lan is setup. ;) 10:24 eythian in that case you'd use a bridge adapter, but that would make the BSZ network people unhappy I'd guess 10:24 mtompset Actually, this is why in my VM's I have three adapters: 1 Bridged, 2 NAT, 3 Host-Only. 10:25 mtompset Bridged doesn't work over wireless, as far as I know. 10:25 mtompset So, if I'm in a wireless only environment, I need the other two adapters. 10:25 eythian No, I don't think it does 10:26 eythian I always just set up a reverse proxy to allow external access, but it's not something I need a lot anyway 10:27 mtompset I'm in the midst of waiting for my colleague to figure out why my ssh access to a VM isn't working. 10:27 mtompset Then I'll be able to look at the reverse proxy setup we have. 10:28 mtompset And then try to figure out why the file modifications which were discussed briefly last night as a bad idea (tm) work. 10:34 eythian Many things that are bad ideas work. 10:35 eythian wahanui: IPv6 is <reply> When I hear the word "IPv6", I reach for my resolver 10:35 wahanui OK, eythian. 10:35 eythian IPv6? 10:35 wahanui When I hear the word "IPv6", I reach for eythian's resolver 10:35 eythian haha 10:36 eythian wahanui: forget ipv6 10:36 wahanui eythian: I forgot ipv6 10:36 eythian wahanui: IPv6 is <reply> When I hear the word "IPv6", I reach for \my resolver 10:36 wahanui OK, eythian. 10:36 eythian IPv6? 10:36 wahanui When I hear the word "IPv6", I reach for my resolver 10:42 slef I found the cause of that strange foreign key error. 10:42 slef userflags was a myisam table 10:42 kf hm the test suite seems quite unhappy 10:43 slef I'm now checking the git, but does anyone remember when userflags was changed to innodb? 10:43 kf hm, I don't remember the change at all :( 10:43 kf so either it's old, or I missed it 10:44 slef well this will be a test of git ;) 10:46 slef f8e9fb6 rel_3_0 moved to HEAD (introducing new files) 10:46 slef from 2007 10:47 slef so it's a bit odd a 3.0 install had that 10:48 slef is there any way to see if it's an upgrade from 2.x before I got here? 10:48 kf hm, there is none I am aware of 10:49 jcamins_away slef: if the DB is a mess, it's probably an upgrade from 2.x? :P 10:49 slef jcamins: heh. 10:53 slef it changed after a3999812e691110f2e16fffd91ce0ed82d69178c 10:56 slef I wonder if update22to30.pl was ever run on this koha. 10:56 slef surely it wouldn't work at all if not? 10:56 magnuse kf: i had to install DBD::Mock to get the tests to complete 10:57 kf hmm 10:57 kf I thought I installed that one 10:57 kf will try again 10:58 slef anyway, seems like it's probably a local problem 11:19 mtompset Greetings, everyone. 11:19 mtompset eythian: You still here? 11:20 mtompset I have access to the reverse proxy. 11:20 mtompset it was passing a short name for the host name. 11:28 eythian mtompset: that sounds like the problem then 11:29 mtompset and editing the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<instance config> to add a second name later is kosher? 11:29 eythian not only kosher, recommended 11:30 eythian I usually add ServerAlias for those sorts of things 11:36 mtompset Ah. Okay. 11:36 mtompset because we may be transitioning and/or running concurrently a site with ...-asia.net and ...-global.net 11:37 eythian yeah, serveralias will let you do that sort of thing if you need it to 11:37 mtompset So Koha is not reverse proxy aware? 11:37 eythian that's not really a statement that makes sense, I think 11:38 eythian I think it understands some things to do with X-Forwarded-For, but that's about all that counts as reverse-proxy aware. 11:39 jcamins eythian: Koha doesn't handle X-Forwarded-For. 11:39 eythian Oh, there was talk about that a while ago. 11:39 jcamins My patch for that languished so I closed it when I stopped using a reverse proxy. 11:39 eythian I assumed it was resolved the way I consider best ;) 11:39 mtompset where's the patch? 11:39 wahanui hmmm... the patch is pretty old now, good luck 11:39 jcamins Very true. 11:39 wahanui I know. That's why I said it. 11:39 jcamins bug 5600 11:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Bulk MARC biblio export script 11:40 jcamins bug 6700 11:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6700 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Better handling of version numbers in updatedatabase 11:40 jcamins Okay, I don't remember. 11:40 jcamins However, the patch won't help you. 11:40 jcamins Your problem is a misconfigured proxy. 11:41 mtompset we're going to put the fully qualified names in. 11:41 jcamins bug 5400? 11:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add test case to detect merge conflict markers in the code 11:41 eythian that's the best idea, even if you collapse them into one set of names, so long as apache knows what those names are it'll work 11:42 jcamins bug 6800 11:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Koha authentication should handle proxies better 11:43 mtompset So why aren't you running being a reverse proxy anymore? 11:44 jcamins I moved my Koha instances to a different server with direct access to the internet. 11:47 mtompset Could I resurrect this, if I wanted? 11:48 jcamins If you wanted. 11:48 jcamins It's going to need an impressive amount of rebasing. 11:50 mtompset speaking of rebasing... 11:50 mtompset that reminds me of my bug that I think I have saved from a failed QA. 11:51 mtompset bug 8339. 11:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8339 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , div id="login" should be id="login_controls" in header.inc 11:51 mtompset I got back to it today. 11:52 jcamins I saw that. 11:58 mtompset Welcome back, alex_a. 12:20 tcohen morning #koha 12:22 jcamins Good morning, tcohen and oleonard. 12:22 mtompset Greetings, tcohen and oleonard 12:22 oleonard Hi 12:22 tcohen hi jcamins, rangi signed on bug 8520 12:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8520 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authorities display incorrectly in staff results 12:22 jcamins oleonard: what a coincidence. I was just thinking about you. 12:23 jcamins tcohen: I saw. :) 12:23 mtompset jcamins has been seeing a lot. ;) 12:23 mtompset Greetings, nengard. 12:23 jcamins oleonard: I want to add sortable to a new page on the staff client. 12:23 nengard hello 12:23 mtompset Oh right... I forgot to log that other bug! 12:24 mtompset Thanks for the reminder, jcamins. 12:24 jcamins It seems that our jquery-ui master js file is lacking sortable. 12:24 * mtompset grumbles about the sorting of a page. 12:24 oleonard Ah, you don't mean table sorting then jcamins 12:25 jcamins No. 12:25 jcamins Sortable. 12:25 jcamins It's SO COOL! 12:25 jcamins :D 12:25 jcamins http://jqueryui.com/demos/sortable/ <-- awesomeness incarnate 12:25 oleonard jcamins: For the record, I don't object to any additions to the jQueryUI library 12:25 oleonard I just object to putting them all in without having a use for all of them. 12:25 jcamins Sorry, I was called away from the computer for the moment. 12:26 jcamins The question is, how does one go about adding to the jQueryUI library? 12:26 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Using_jQueryUI_widgets 12:27 jcamins Excellent, thank you. 12:27 oleonard See if that makes sense jcamins, and if not I'll expand on it 12:27 jcamins Yep. Makes sense to me. 12:29 oleonard I wish their download builder could use specified previous versions. Since it doesn't, your addition might include a jqueryUI upgrade. 12:29 jcamins Yeah, that was the other thing I was going to ask you about. 12:30 mtompset Will that break other things? 12:30 jcamins No. 12:30 jcamins If it does, we can't upgrade jqueryui. 12:31 mtompset And then you will be sad about not being able to use the cool tool? ;) 12:31 jcamins mtompset: no, if we can't upgrade jqueryui we probably need to fix it. 12:32 oleonard Yes, we should never not upgrade jqueryUI because something will break. We always fix what is broken. 12:33 mtompset in other words, that's acceptable scope creep. ;) 12:35 oleonard Yes, and an issue which has been covered in the comments on Bug 8498, FWIW 12:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8498 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , can't specify an hour when specifying due date 12:44 oleonard Hi libsysguy 12:45 libsysguy hey oleonard 12:45 wahanui i guess oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 12:50 jcamins oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/vO4sZ19c <-- those two boxes can be sorted into different orders 12:51 oleonard jcamins: Next you can apply it to re-ordering holds and to re-ordering news items 12:51 jcamins Hahahaha!!!!! 12:52 * oleonard isn't sure how to interpret that laughter 12:52 jcamins Appreciation of your comedic genius? :P 12:52 oleonard "Drunk with power" or "Not on your life" 12:52 jcamins We're going to have to go with option B, I think. 12:52 oleonard Dang 12:52 jcamins I haven't figured out yet how to save the data. 12:53 jcamins I'm thinking I'll actually stick it in the systempreferences table. 12:54 * tcohen is about to start working on calendar/suspensions 12:55 tcohen is there any identified group of bugs about that? 12:55 * magnuse cheers jcamins on, 'cause he will need a similar trick for the digital signs stuff 12:56 kf tcohen: I think ColinC commented on one of them recently 12:56 jcamins magnuse: the advantage of using a hidden syspref is that we have a backup plan for accessing the data. 12:56 kf @query suspend 12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , edit hold from patron record 12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8632 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , suspend in opac jumping to bottom of page 12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Discharge management 12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5911 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Transport Cost Matrix of transporting an item between branches 12:56 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4222 major, P2, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Nonpublic note not appearing in the staff client 12:56 kf hm none of those 12:57 jcamins oleonard: are the colors I used okay? 12:57 oleonard libsysguy: You're working on the calendar though eh? 12:57 oleonard Fine with me jcamins 12:59 magnuse jcamins: cool 12:59 mtompset Well, I found a sort order that makes sense (Auth down) for the marctagstructure when display subfields is checked... Now to figure out how to make it impossible to change under that condition. 13:00 mtompset But for now... Good day (24 hour period). I'm off. 13:02 libsysguy oleonard, I put it down for a bit last week 13:02 libsysguy I got a lot done with it 13:02 tcohen kf: Bug 8656 13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8656 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar not loading both sets of special dates 13:02 libsysguy but its not ready to be submitted 13:03 * oleonard doesn't want libsysguy and tcohen's work to overlap 13:03 kf hm 13:03 kf I think libsysguy is doing a rewrite 13:03 kf and we still have some nasty bugs to fix now 13:04 libsysguy yeah it completely kills c4::calendar 13:04 jcamins Where would I find an example of fieldset done properly? 13:04 kf tcohen: there was one for suspending borrowers too - not sure what exactly you want to work on 13:04 libsysguy moves all the write functions to Koha::Closure and all the reads to Koha::Calendar 13:05 oleonard jcamins: Hopefully any form? 13:05 jcamins oleonard: I found one in stage MARC. 13:05 tcohen i have both issues on 3.8: incorrect patrons debar, weird behaviour of calendar on calculating due_dat, debar-until date 13:06 kf bug 8418 13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data 13:06 kf bug 8110 13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add tests for Calendar modules 13:06 kf bug 8253 13:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fine doubling 13:07 kf ah bug 8251 13:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 13:09 Oak kia ora #koha 13:09 Oak magnuse 13:09 Oak kf 13:10 kf hi Oak 13:10 Oak :) 13:10 magnuse Oak 13:10 Oak \o/ 13:10 tcohen kf, i remember all of them 13:11 magnuse kf: yeah, looks to me like 8251 is not fixed after all 13:29 drojf wow, downloading a driver with < 100KB/s. hello samsung, it's 2012. and i got other things to do than wait 20 minutes for this :( 13:34 jcamins Where do we parse JSON in Koha? 13:35 magnuse jcamins: do we? 13:35 magnuse just use JSON.pm? 13:35 jcamins Right, I'm looking for an example of where we do that. 13:36 magnuse grep -r "use JSON" * 13:36 magnuse or something like that? 13:37 jcamins Yeah, that's what I did. 13:37 jcamins We don't seem to read in JSON ever, just write it out. 13:39 jcamins Looks like I just use from_json. 13:39 jcamins Easy to do. 13:44 magnuse yay 13:44 gmcharlt @quote random 13:44 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #128: "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project" (added by wizzyrea at 07:11 PM, April 18, 2011) 13:46 * magnuse heads out to buy an ukulele 13:47 jcamins ... really? 13:49 jcamins That's pretty cool. :) 13:51 wizzyrea dude! ukulele! 13:52 wizzyrea that will be two impossibly tall nordic guys I know who play uke. ;) 13:52 wizzyrea what are the odds. 13:52 wajasu i'm looking a t/db_dependent/Reserves.t it assumes a biblio exists after a fresh db create with all optional data inserted. i am thinking i should just add a test biblio, so the reserve test doesn't have a NULL biblio to reserve. 13:52 jcamins wajasu: by default there are no bib records in test data. 13:53 wizzyrea it probably wouldn't hurt to have some :P 13:53 wajasu so i am going to copy some AddBiblio code from Biblio.t to prime the unit test. 13:53 wizzyrea or make it an optional part of the installation 13:54 wajasu i added "The hobbit" using z3950 search. and the Reserves.t passed. 13:54 wajasu so i'm going to add a minimal test biblio. 13:55 libsysguy wajasu are you writing new unit tests? 13:55 wajasu i'm trying to fix the broken ones in t/db_dependent 13:55 wajasu then i will 13:56 libsysguy ahh ok 13:56 libsysguy I was about to start writing some as well 13:56 libsysguy is there a bug number you're working off of? 13:56 wajasu no 13:56 libsysguy i'd hate to overlap 13:57 libsysguy perhaps I could make some for each C4:: module 13:57 wajasu the t tests passed on master, but there are a bunch in t/db_dependent that fail. 13:57 libsysguy i see 13:57 wizzyrea you have to have the right data for the ones in t/db_dependent 13:57 wizzyrea if you don't have it, they will fail. 13:58 libsysguy are you writing them to not use the database but to use that perl module that mimics the db 13:58 wizzyrea so instead of poking at the tests, I'd make sure there's an option to "add all necessary data for tests" to the installer 13:58 wizzyrea or do that 13:58 wajasu i did a clean db install, and webinstaller install all data. 13:58 * libsysguy tries to remember the name 13:58 wizzyrea mock somethingerother 13:58 wizzyrea yea, but the webinstaller doesn't install all data necessary for tests. 13:58 wajasu the rss.pl and smsoverdues.pl use HTML:Template:Pro so they fail. 13:59 wajasu wizzyrea, do you know of some more test data(mysql script or such) I can run to get the needed data? 14:01 wizzyrea I had a test db that had all of it for running the tests about 6 months ago 14:01 wizzyrea let me see if I can find it 14:01 jcamins wizzyrea: the test DB you gave me passed all tests, I think. 14:03 wizzyrea https://github.com/wizzyrea/Scripts-and-Things/blob/master/kohadev-withbibs-andcheckouts.sql 14:03 wizzyrea ^^ this is the one I gave you, jcamins 14:03 wizzyrea I think 14:03 jcamins Yup, that looks right. 14:03 wajasu also, some times i see errors refering the /usr/share/koha/lib/... do i need to do a make install? or change PERL5LIB? Shouldn't the tests refer to a path int he git heirarchy? 14:03 jcamins No, the tests use whatever Koha installation you're testing. 14:03 jcamins So you need to set PERL5LIB to match your environment. 14:04 wajasu wheres the wiki? 14:04 wahanui hmmm... the wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org 14:06 wajasu so maybe a note, in the wiki saying make install is required ((only because i ran perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, (w/o make install) 14:06 wizzyrea it's not required. 14:06 wajasu did the wiki run out of memory again? 14:07 wizzyrea ping gmcharlt 14:07 wajasu ok 14:07 gmcharlt pong; looking at it 14:07 wizzyrea the wiki's gone amok ;) 14:07 jcamins wajasu: but install is not required. 14:07 wizzyrea ty :D gmcharlt++ 14:07 jcamins which installl? 14:07 jcamins which install? 14:08 jcamins Anyway, if you're doing development, it is recommended that you use a dev install. 14:08 eythian http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/anti-gay-marriage-group-loses-internet-domain-name-to-pro-gay-marriage-group/story-fnd134gw-1226464921343 <-- unrelated, but ahahahahaha 14:08 wajasu i did a dev install. 14:08 jcamins If you are running Koha from /usr/share, then you will, of course, need to run make install. 14:08 jcamins In that case, you didn't set PERL5LIB correctly. 14:08 wajasu but i didn't set my PERL5LIB 14:08 wajasu yup 14:08 wajasu thx 14:09 jcamins Right, you always have to set PERL5LIB. 14:09 jcamins Regardless what type of installation. 14:09 wizzyrea ba hahahahahahaha 14:10 wajasu reminds me of koha.org 14:11 wizzyrea hm not really the same at all. 14:11 wizzyrea They were supposedly holding the domain "in trust" for the community 14:11 wizzyrea a 14:11 wizzyrea n 14:11 wizzyrea d 14:11 wizzyrea just the trust was gone 14:12 wajasu so it was stolen out from underneath. 14:13 wizzyrea not really, we gave it to them, originally. They just wouldn't give it back. 14:13 wizzyrea well they wouldn't give it back without rather insane and untenable conditions. 14:15 wajasu ah 14:15 gmcharlt the wiki is back up 14:15 oleonard And then they said they would give it back if they could give it to a third party, and we made that possible, and then they said nuh-uh. 14:16 wajasu gmcharlt++ 14:18 wajasu wizzyrea: maybe we can get that test data as an attachment to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Unit_Tests 14:20 wajasu OR checked in with the unit tests. 14:25 wajasu i take that idea back. 14:26 wajasu the unit test need to create the objects. so that when the schema changes, we adjust the unit test object factory accordingly. 14:26 wajasu i know we aren't OO, yet :) 14:26 jcamins wajasu: yes, that's the point of unit tests. 14:28 wajasu that github data is a datebase dump. it drops tables a creates them, and it may not match the master schema i am testing. 14:29 jcamins Right. So you have to upgrade the schema before using it. 14:31 wajasu yes. the schema is upgrade by the installer according to master's updatedatabase, but over time, that specific script with destroy my test schema, since it drops/creates tables. not in sync. 14:31 wajasu though it only 20 days old. 14:32 jcamins I don't think you quite understand what updatedatabase is for. 14:33 wajasu it migrates the schema. 14:33 jcamins Right. 14:33 jcamins If tests fail as a result of the updatedatabase, then the functionality *is* broken. 14:33 jcamins Period. 14:33 jcamins That is exactly the sort of thing that is supposed to cause unit tests to fail. 14:34 wajasu i'm just saying that wizzyrea's script recreates the schema and the tests my pass. 14:34 wajasu may pass 14:34 jcamins You install a database. 14:35 jcamins In this case, the sample that wizzyrea just shared. 14:35 jcamins Then you run updatedatabase whenever you update your system. 14:35 jcamins At no point should unit tests stop working. 14:35 jcamins If they stop working, then they have identified an error in the functionality. 14:36 jcamins Which needs to be fixed. 14:36 jcamins Alternatively, you have failed to incorporate changes into the unit test, in which case you have to fix the unit test. 14:37 jcamins Either way, the updatedatabase script should always take you from a working state to a working state, and any time it doesn't, you've found an error. 14:38 wajasu oh, i see, install wiz's db, then upgradedatabase, that works. i was working from no db, upgradedatabase, load tests data, run unit tests 14:39 jcamins Right, that workflow is going to fail almost all the time because updatedatabase needs to be run *after* the test data is loaded. 14:46 wajasu i can see that to test updatedatabase itself. but for a unit test, each probably should manage their own setup.teardown of its own test data. 14:53 jcamins_phone That would be the ideal, yes. 14:54 eythian kf: I've fixed the routing list reordering 14:55 eythian just about to post the fix on bug 8716 14:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8716 normal, P4, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Reordering of routing list entries doesn't work 14:55 kf cool 14:55 kf eythian++ 14:55 kf I have to work some on it law this week, but will try to test asap :) 14:58 eythian cool. Patch submitted. 15:01 jcamins Good news! My ethernet port is working again. 15:03 rambutan hammer and screwdriver? 15:04 kf jcamins: yay! 15:07 reiveune bye 15:07 jcamins rambutan: reset the power regulator, actually. 15:11 Joubu bye ++ 15:11 oleonard jcamins: Did that reverse the polarity of the neutron flow? 15:12 jcamins oleonard: seems to have. 15:14 kf bye all 15:23 gaetan_B does having no issues at all in the system blocks patron batch delete ? 15:23 gaetan_B when trying to delete patron who have not issued documents since today (in a system where no document was ever issued) i was not able to delete any patron 15:24 gaetan_B i kept getting the confirmation message "0 patron will be deleted" 15:42 wizzyrea gaetan_B: that seems odd 15:43 eythian It does seem quite odd 15:43 wizzyrea can you delete them in the normal way? 15:46 gaetan_B yes i can go on a patron's page and choose delete 15:58 annab anyone know much about transferring from millennium to koha? 15:58 Oak @later tell cait sorry I was away... read your message now 15:58 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 15:58 tcohen annab, I once got an MARC21 export from Millenium (1.5M records) which flawlessly got migrated into Koha 3.4 15:59 tcohen I only had to tell the super-hacker-librarian to export holdings following the Koha requirements 15:59 annab so marc21 format doesn't require too much extra work to migrate? we're thinking of doing it ourselves rather than hire out 15:59 magnuse Bug 7067 - yay! 15:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , allow patron self registration via the opac 16:00 tcohen exactly 16:00 annab that's good to know 16:00 jcamins annab: it depends on your records, really. 16:00 tcohen they had an ETL-expert librarian 16:00 jcamins Sometimes it will take staggering amounts of conversion. 16:00 tcohen and actually used standard MARC21 16:01 annab jcamins do you have experience with it being difficult or just speaking in general? 16:01 tcohen just had to adjust holdings data (branches, created first, etc) 16:01 jcamins annab: I did the training for a formerly-Millenium library. 16:01 jcamins It was a bit of a nightmare. 16:01 annab tcohen we only have one branch so that is helpful 16:02 annab jcamins why was it so difficult? can you give me specifics at all? 16:02 annab we're in very early prep stages so i know next to nothing about the transfer, which is our main concern right now 16:02 tcohen as jcamins says, it will depend on how healthy the records are I guess 16:02 jcamins annab: well, serials are just awful all the time, and their MARC records reflected several decades worth of changing standards. 16:03 annab tcohen that definitely makes sense 16:03 annab jcamins haha i've seen that no one likes serials 16:03 annab jcamins i don't think our marc records will have that much differentiation in data 16:03 annab but we are planning on cleaning up before we try exporting, that much i know 16:04 annab i guess i just wanted to see if anyone had specific knowledge on that kind of transfer 16:05 annab like i said, very early stages here 16:06 annab but it's good to hear some viewpoints so thanks! 16:10 tcohen annab, good luck 16:10 tcohen it might be painful, but it is worth 16:10 * cait waves 16:10 annab tcohen thanks, i'm sure i'll be back when i know more about our records 16:10 tcohen so, Roddick retires today 16:10 annab tcohen i appreciate your help 16:11 eythian annab: it's worth experimenting to get a feel for it 16:11 eythian it'll at least let you know if you have big problems 16:11 annab eythian i've been playing with a demo our state is hosting but it doesn't have a whole lot of data imported 16:12 annab but that is a good point 16:12 eythian Well, I mean experimenting with migrations. 16:12 eythian see what happens if you do a simple dump and import 16:13 annab eythian oh i see what you are saying 16:13 eythian ideally it'll let you spot any issues early on 16:13 annab eythian thanks that makes sense 16:14 annab i'm actually a student intern so this is all pretty new to me 16:24 eythian if someone's done something that messes up the history in a branch, is there a way to get it back? In this case, I do a rebase and get 490 commits. I think somone's been using merge in confusing ways or something. 16:26 eythian Basically, any patch that's in the upstream, even if it has a different commit ID, I'd like it to put it in there with the right ID 16:26 jcamins Ummm... git rebase --onto 16:26 jcamins Maybe. 16:27 tcohen [flame] so, Roddick retires today 16:27 eythian jcamins: not sure that'd work 16:28 jcamins Then I am out of ideas. 16:28 eythian hmm 16:35 gaetan_B bye ! 16:49 mbalmer Toyota! 16:50 eythian Mazda? 16:51 wizzyrea fiat. 16:52 rambutan I have a 1994 Suzuki Sidekick. 16:53 * wizzyrea has a vw 16:53 wizzyrea for now. :P 16:58 bag convertible :) 16:58 wizzyrea must be torture ;) 16:59 * cait has no car 17:00 rambutan cait needs a virtual car then. 17:07 cait and a virtual driver's license :) 17:13 jcamins I am baffled. 17:13 jcamins I can't figure out how these buttons work. 17:13 jcamins I would like the button to *not* submit. 17:14 jcamins Just to call some javascript, like in the syspref editor. 17:14 jcamins I can't see anything special in the syspref editor to make it do that. 17:19 jcamins Figured it out. 17:19 jcamins Well, not how the syspref editor does it. 17:19 jcamins But how to do it myself. 17:20 jcamins The trick is that the return false; has to be *in* the onclick. 17:25 cait jcamins++ 17:32 * jcamins wonders who this Magnusem is, and whether s/he has any relationship to magnuse. :) 17:32 cait hm 17:32 * cait wonders the same 17:33 Magnusem One and the same... 17:34 Magnusem Just trying out mibbit on the tablet 17:35 cait :) 17:35 tcohen question on NoZebra: is it worth to remove *at least* the sysprefs for it? 17:37 tcohen git pull 17:37 wahanui i guess git pull is really simple. 17:37 tcohen he he, focus problem 17:38 jcamins tcohen: it is worth removing all of it. 17:39 slef @query opaclanguages pnf 17:39 jcamins I just haven't gotten around to it. 17:39 huginn slef: No results for "opaclanguages pnf." 17:39 jcamins pnf? 17:39 slef nfi 17:39 tcohen jcamins, I was about to start doing it 17:39 slef but it's showing on one of my kohas 17:39 tcohen but remembered that big patches are lost in time 17:39 tcohen and noticed that (1) a lot of things are being rewritten 17:40 jcamins pnf? nfi? 17:40 tcohen (2) upgrade from NoZebra is currently broken 17:40 slef wahanui: nfi? 17:40 wahanui nfi is no fine idea 17:40 jcamins Ah. 17:40 jcamins pnf? 17:40 jcamins wahanui doesn't know. 17:40 wahanui jcamins: excuse me? 17:40 slef there's a folder containing xsl called pnf 17:40 jcamins tcohen: I agree, we should remove the sysprefs as a start. 17:40 slef opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/pnf/xslt~HEAD/ 17:40 slef anyone know what that's about? 17:40 tcohen jcamins, I'll send a patch for that 17:41 jcamins slef: looks like something from CVS. 17:41 tcohen and then *maybe* for bug 7440 17:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed 17:42 slef jcamins: wonder what it's doing in koha-common_3.8.4-1_all.deb then 17:42 jcamins o.O 17:42 jcamins slef: nfi. 17:42 tcohen NoZebra, QueryRemoveStopwords, NoZebraIndexes? 17:44 jcamins tcohen: yep. But there also needs to be a database update to change QueryRemoveStopwords to "Don't ignore." 17:44 jcamins Because actually it *does* have an impact, just not the desired one, given a certain combination of sysprefs. 17:45 tcohen ok, so, remove nozebra and nozebraindexes? change queryremovestopwords? 17:46 jcamins Or delete from the database. 17:47 tcohen i meant delete those to, and update queryremovestopwords 17:47 slef Bug 8725 has been added to the database 17:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8725 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-common_3.8.4-1_all.deb has an opaclanguages option of pnf 17:48 jcamins tcohen: you could delete all three. Traditionally, Koha doesn't *delete* sysprefs, it just stops showing them in preferences.pl. 17:48 tcohen so, it set some convenient values, and hides them 17:49 jcamins Right. 17:49 jcamins I'm not sure why we do it like that. 17:52 slef hi eythian 17:52 eythian hiya 17:54 tcohen jcamins, i don't like it he 17:59 slef eythian: sorry for giving you a bug 18:00 eythian slef: hrm, thanks for pointing that out. 18:00 eythian Apparently my "make sure everything is clean first" process isn't up to snuff 18:01 slef eythian: librarian should be thanked for asking what language has code pnf. ;) 18:01 eythian heh 18:01 slef bbl 18:01 eythian a client of ours that has custom templates 18:06 jcamins Woohoo! I managed to save the configuration. 18:06 jcamins And load it! 18:06 jcamins :D 18:07 cait hi Viktor :) 18:07 jcamins Not that it does anything. 18:08 jcamins But, you know, saving and loading are both important. 18:08 Viktor Hi cait 18:08 cait jcamins: I am sure you will figure it out :) 18:08 cait Viktor: have you figured out the translations? 18:09 Viktor Yes it's starting to shape up to a plan at least. But it's a lot of stuff happening at the same time. 18:10 jcamins I don't see *any* way to handle this without Javascript. 18:10 cait hm is that bad? 18:11 jcamins Meh. 18:11 jcamins I like non-JS fallbacks. 18:11 cait which is good :) 18:11 Viktor Currently we're having magnuse contracted to do work implementing touchscreen digital signs into Koha. cait 18:11 cait Viktor: I have seen the rfc :) 18:11 jcamins But at a certain point we have to say "staff must use a modern browser with javascript." 18:11 * jcamins is at that point. 18:11 cait I am sure it will turn out great :) 18:12 Viktor What is the policy on non-javascript fallbacks btw? Is it a must or a recommendation? 18:12 cait more a recommendation I think 18:13 cait in staff 18:13 oleonard JavaScript is required for the staff client. 18:13 oleonard JavaScript should not be required for the OPAC to work, but it is accepted that some features may be unavailable. 18:13 Viktor Ok. Required is more comfortable as a developer of course :) I'll go with that. 18:14 Viktor Opac oleonard - seems like a good balance. Thanks! 18:14 cait but it would be nice if we could make new features accessible 18:14 Viktor I'm disussing multiple cover photo-sources in opac with javascript for deduplication 18:15 cait not introducing more problems 18:15 Viktor cait - Yes. I agree. 18:15 jcamins How do we do a CSS alert in the staff client? 18:15 jcamins class=alert? 18:16 oleonard class="dialog alert" 18:16 jcamins Thanks. 18:16 jcamins Do we make the text bold or anything? 18:17 oleonard Not by default, but you can selectively 18:17 * jcamins is adding the <noscript> "sorry, you can look but not touch" warning. 18:17 Viktor Since knowledgable people is present: How does the IE bundled with Win7 work for the staff client? Older versions used to have som problems. 18:17 jcamins Pfeh. 18:17 jcamins IE. 18:17 Viktor :) 18:17 * magnuse waves to Viktor 18:17 jcamins Actually, it generally works okay, I understand. 18:17 Viktor Hi! magnuse 18:17 Viktor Great - thanks jcamins 18:18 oleonard Viktor: I don't know if any one of us knows for sure since none of us use it extensively. 18:18 * jcamins has worked with someone who does. 18:18 jcamins He runs into occasional issues, but is apparently satisfied. 18:18 Viktor Great. 18:18 Viktor Catalouging had a IE bug I think. Or IE had the bug rather. 18:19 oleonard Viktor: We do try to fix IE bugs when they are reported, we just don't test much in IE 18:19 tcohen bug 8724 18:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8724 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Upgrade from NoZebra installs is broken 18:19 Viktor I have a library coming up who might have an easier time with their IT-department using standard Win7 IE. 18:19 cait I think drag&drop in basket grous does not work with ie 18:20 jcamins We have drag&drop in basket groups? 18:20 cait we do 18:20 oleonard http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?product=Koha&component=Browser%20compatibility&resolution=---&list_id=40127 18:20 jcamins Huh. I didn't know that. 18:20 cait you open a basket group and then you can drag&drop the baskets into it 18:20 oleonard yeah, I think that drag and drop thing is on my list of YUI replacement tasks 18:20 jcamins Viktor: probably configuring Did you mean plugins will not work so well. 18:21 jcamins I think it'll require IE8+ 18:21 Viktor Ok. 18:21 oleonard Is IE8 what Win7 shipped with? 18:21 Viktor Useful list oleonard - thanks! 18:21 jcamins oleonard: I thought it was IE7? 18:22 Viktor I´ll try to set them up with FF of course - but Sweden is still Microsoft country in large parts. 18:22 jcamins It works fine with IE8. 18:23 jcamins Kind of ugly-looking, but what would you expect from a browser that doesn't know how to do rounded corners? 18:23 oleonard Wikipedia says Win7 had IE8 18:23 jcamins Oh. 18:23 jcamins Cool. 18:23 jcamins Viktor: my new management screen will work fine. ;) 18:24 Viktor jcamins :) 18:24 tcohen bye #koha 18:24 Viktor bye 18:25 jcamins http://screencast.com/t/FHQIEmzqn05 <-- what happens if you have javascript turned off 18:25 Viktor Oh - is it tomorrow this time the meeting is? I might sit in and listen if I get the chance. 18:25 oleonard Yes Viktor 18:25 wahanui i guess Viktor is doing a great job on fixing that drojf :-) 18:26 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_5_September_2012 18:26 cait Viktor: would be nice if you dropped in :) 18:27 magnuse 20 o'clock, our time, Viktor 18:27 cait but you don't only have to listen 18:27 magnuse yeah, very cool if you show up Viktor - we could double the participation from the nordic countries :-) 18:27 Viktor Thanks magnuse - It's sort of the first time I've had to calculate time difference for a meeting. 18:27 Viktor :) 18:28 magnuse hehe, you get used to it after a couple of years :-) 18:28 magnuse and there is always a link to a time converert in the wiki page for the meetings 18:29 magnuse jcamins: nice js-warning! 18:29 jcamins magnuse: thanks. 18:30 magnuse i think more warnings like that are a good idea 18:30 * magnuse plans on dusplaying a warning on the digital signs admin page if digital signs are not turned on in prefs 18:30 Viktor Yes - an error message actually explaining what to do. A rare thing to be treasured :) jcamins 18:31 * jcamins considered not explaining the workaround, but realized that it would be a lot easier to say "no, sorry, I am not walking you through the basics of JSON" if the system says "here's the workaround, but BEWARE!" 18:31 Viktor Seems like an idea to save a lot of grief :) magnuse 18:32 magnuse yeah, and we can link to things too, that might be useful 18:32 jcamins Oh, I didn't think of the fact that I could put a link in there. 18:33 jcamins Eh. No rush to change that. It still doesn't have any impact. 18:35 Viktor What would you say are top three on your wishlists for Koha? The stuff that would make libraries in general say "Thank you - finally"? 18:36 cait hm that is not easy 18:36 Viktor I´m trying not to overlook necessary development... 18:36 cait I think libraries are all so different 18:36 cait I had libraries asking for a bindery module, but only very few would need that 18:36 cait erm 18:36 cait electronic resource management was another 18:36 jcamins Viktor: search that isn't awful. 18:36 oleonard A bribery module? Sounds useful to me. 18:36 rambutan 1. more built-in reports, reporting templates 18:36 cait oh yeah 18:36 jcamins But that's my particular obsession. 18:37 cait if you want to put money somewhere, the search rewrite is an a+ candidate :) 18:37 * jcamins agrees. 18:37 cait it will enable lots of cool features long term 18:37 Viktor Reports could be easier... 18:37 cait lying good foundation to build on and getting rid of the most awful module koha has probably :) 18:37 jcamins Viktor: ah, but the proposal for the search rewrite is already written. :) 18:37 cait search rewrite? 18:37 cait hm, 18:37 jcamins Hm. 18:38 Viktor How is Solr related to search being awful or not? 18:38 jcamins search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 18:38 * cait leaves that job to jcamins and goes to take care of the laundry 18:38 jcamins search rewrite? 18:38 wahanui hmmm... search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 18:38 jcamins There we go. 18:38 cait Viktor: btw - I sent you a pm ealrier, wondering if you did see it :) 18:38 jcamins Viktor: at the moment, Solr isn't a complete replacement for Zebra, and it replaces one set of limitations with a different set. 18:39 jcamins The search rewrite provides the rest of the plumbing to so that all the work that BibLibre has done on solr can be used. 18:39 jcamins s/to so/so/ 18:40 Viktor Sounds good jcamins 18:40 jcamins (if you didn't gather, the search rewrite is my pet project) 18:40 Viktor :D 18:41 Viktor It looks interesting. 18:41 jcamins There's even a nice funding thermometer. 18:41 jcamins :) 18:41 * jcamins is inordinately proud of that funding thermometer. It turns out to be about the simplest thing *ever*, as javascript goes, but it's quite functional 18:42 rambutan what thermometer where? 18:43 jcamins rambutan: ooh, you didn't see the thermometer? 18:43 Viktor I do think the whole thing will be above our budget though. We are looking for some additional funding but I doubt we will be this successful :) 18:43 jcamins rambutan: http://www.cpbibliography.com/services/koha/searchrewrite.html 18:43 jcamins Viktor: we're not looking for a single funder to cover the entire cost. 18:43 wizzyrea yep, we're looking for lots of little funders 18:44 rambutan ah, that thermometer there 18:44 wizzyrea lots of people to make one big thing happen 18:44 jcamins rambutan: yeah, isn't it a nice thermometer? :) 18:44 Viktor That is nice jcamins 18:44 Viktor Visualization is important. 18:44 Viktor Looks a lot less expensive already 18:45 jcamins Vindicated! 18:45 jcamins Viktor: yeah, the "here's what we're looking to raise" number on the wiki does not tell the whole story. 18:45 rambutan that's a mighty fine thermometer jcamins, mighty fine 18:45 Viktor The library I'm going to work with would like better search so some bits might apply. We also have a spelling API from the national library that we will implement. 18:46 jcamins Viktor: you know who to contact if you'd like to be involved (hint: me). :) 18:46 jcamins (or Brooke) 18:49 Viktor Ok - saving those URLs for later then. Still two weeks before the request for funds is due - and some additional time until the answer :) jcamins 18:53 Viktor irl is calling 18:53 Viktor idling for a while 19:00 * jcamins cheers. 19:00 jcamins I did it! 19:00 jcamins I successfully left myself with no option but to edit the configuration in Local Use. 19:00 jcamins ... wait, that wasn't the *goal*? 19:01 magnuse jcamins: are you open for donations on the ~$100 scale too? those numbers seem kind of daunting... 19:02 jcamins magnuse: yup. 19:03 magnuse did you consider kickstarter or similar? 19:04 wizzyrea yea I was wondering why there wasn't a kickstarter or indiegogo 19:04 wizzyrea probably because people would have to actually pay the money? 19:04 wizzyrea instead of just pledging 19:05 magnuse ? 19:05 jcamins magnuse: yeah, but we haven't quite figured out how to handle that. Some of the institutions aren't comfortable with kickstarter, and most don't use credit cards. 19:05 magnuse but there could be multiple "channels" 19:06 wizzyrea there are some others besides kickstarter 19:06 wizzyrea and indiegogo 19:06 wizzyrea o 19:06 wizzyrea n 19:06 wizzyrea e 19:06 wizzyrea I 19:06 wizzyrea sa 19:06 wizzyrea good lord! 19:06 wizzyrea what is wrong with my keyboard 19:06 magnuse hehe 19:06 jcamins Uhhh... 19:06 wizzyrea one I saw was specifically for open source software projects 19:07 magnuse ooh, remember what it was? 19:07 jcamins slef suggested pledgebank.com. 19:07 wizzyrea www.launcht.com 19:08 wizzyrea goteo.org 19:09 wizzyrea (but none of these are the actual one I was thinking of - they must be new. Which is rather cool.) 19:09 wizzyrea oh, cofundos.org 19:09 wizzyrea or peoplefundit.com 19:09 jcamins Yeah, there's a new crowdfunding platform every week. 19:09 wizzyrea cofundos is what I was thinking of 19:10 magnuse wow, how to choose the *right* one... 19:10 wizzyrea however cofundos seems to be having… issues 19:10 wizzyrea which is not encouraging. 19:11 wizzyrea https://bountyoss.com/ 19:11 jcamins magnuse: and now you know why we haven't set one up yet. 19:11 cait maybe something simpler? 19:11 wizzyrea I like that last one 19:11 cait for small donations? 19:11 wizzyrea well it's really just pledges right? 19:11 wizzyrea until you get to a certain level of funded-ness 19:12 cait ah right 19:12 magnuse well, if the goal is reached pledges quickley turn into donations... 19:12 wizzyrea I mean jcamins has the facility to bill it out, if he knows who to bill 19:13 magnuse but it would be cool if it was easy for lots of people to chip in a little... 19:13 wizzyrea yep, I like the bountyoss.com one 19:13 jcamins Of those, bountyoss seems like the most useful. 19:14 wizzyrea Pledges may be paid by credit card, or by check payment to Open Source Bounty, Inc., P.O. Box G, Santa Clara CA 95055. Checks are accepted only if drawn on a US bank. A check payment is considered to have been received when the check clears. We use WePay as our credit card processor; OSB is not responsible for the performance of WePay. 19:14 wizzyrea so I guess they accept the payments, take a small cut (?) and then pass it on 19:15 jcamins Yeah, that's what it looks like. 19:15 cait hm 19:15 cait not sure that works well for libraires 19:15 cait for individuals I think it's easier 19:15 wizzyrea oh almost any library can write a check, at least in the US 19:15 cait than for institutions where someone needs to know where the money did g 19:15 cait o 19:15 jcamins cait: right, I can bill libraries directly. 19:16 cait yeah you can :) 19:16 cait was thinking about all this websites 19:16 wizzyrea oh it's 5% 19:16 wizzyrea that seems … like a lot? 19:16 * wizzyrea doesn't know 19:16 cait it is a lot 19:16 jcamins magnuse's question was about micro-crowdfunding (ooh! I am a trendsetter, making up new words!), which is not really something I know how to do. 19:17 wizzyrea at least these people put their terms of use in normal language. 19:17 wizzyrea and normal sized type 19:18 jcamins 5% seems pretty standard. 19:18 jcamins indiegogo is 8%. 19:18 wizzyrea yuk 19:19 magnuse might be worth it if the alternative is sending bills to 100 people... 19:19 wizzyrea yea, it's your time vs money 19:19 wizzyrea which is more valuable? 19:19 jcamins magnuse: yeah, bountyoss would be a lot more viable than kickstarter for this. 19:19 * wizzyrea would go with "time" 19:20 * jcamins would agree. 19:20 magnuse not a lot of projects on bountyoss yet?!? but someone has to lead the way... 19:21 wizzyrea yea, idk. 19:21 * magnuse is writing invoices as we speak - not a fun passtime... 19:21 jcamins magnuse: FWIW, switching to QuickBooks from gnucash made invoicing a lot less painful. 19:23 jcamins You may have had the foresight not to try gnucash in the first place. 19:23 magnuse nope, i use a web based system 19:23 wizzyrea some things just haven't caught up yet. 19:24 magnuse tried to do my own book-keeping, and the invoice-thing is part of that 19:25 jcamins Oh, I do my own bookkeeping too. Even with QuickBooks, that's painful. 19:25 magnuse i gave up on doing my book-keeping 19:26 jcamins Smart! 19:26 magnuse again time is important, and i sleep better when i know there is someone else to blame :-) 19:26 * jcamins is so glad his grandfather is a CPA. 19:29 slef hahahahaha 19:29 slef you ever tried blaming QuickBooks? 19:29 slef I'm sure it was QuickBooks that the MD of my last company used and it botched our sales taxes. 19:30 wizzyrea and lord knows sleep is probably in short supply in the magnuse household :) 19:30 jcamins slef: no, that's why I have my grandfather check everything for me. (CPA = Certified Public Accountant) 19:30 jcamins wizzyrea: shhhh. magnuse just nodded off! 19:31 * wizzyrea whispers be vewwy quiet magnuse is sleeping 19:31 magnuse nah, still here! 19:31 wizzyrea shhhhhhhhh 19:31 magnuse :-) 19:31 wizzyrea :D 19:32 slef jcamins: do public and private enterprises use the same accounting rules in the US? They're quite different here - I think there's even a different professional body for public accountants here. 19:32 slef jcamins: anyway, the advice I received was to keep the accounting as simple as possible and so the co-op has done that most of the time 19:33 jcamins slef: they mostly do. Plus, it's not like I'm doing anything complicated. 19:33 magnuse jcamins: any tricks for billing the right people at the right time? 19:33 magnuse make all contracts start on january 1st? 19:35 slef magnuse: metadata and scheduled alerts...? 19:35 jcamins magnuse: I wanted to do that, but everyone seems to prefer start dates like October 15 (no, I'm not kidding). 19:36 jcamins I add estimates, and do billing the last and fifteenth day of every month. 19:36 jcamins Since I can post-date estimates, it's just a matter of checking to confirm that none of the dates are approaching. 19:37 jcamins The part that I have trouble with is almost-due reminders. 19:38 magnuse ? 19:39 magnuse ok, guess i am tired after all... 19:39 magnuse have fun #koha, i'm off! 19:39 jcamins Good night. 19:45 cait good night magnuse 19:47 jcamins Cool. 19:47 jcamins The suggestion plugin for 8211 is working, module translatability. 19:47 jcamins *modulo 19:47 slef bbl 19:48 jcamins Jeez, try to sound smart, and I end up sounding dumber than if I'd just used a regular word. 19:48 rangi Morning 19:49 wizzyrea mornin 19:51 cait morning 19:51 jcamins Morning. 19:51 wahanui somebody said morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:52 wizzyrea hey hankbank 19:52 wahanui i think hankbank is not worthy 19:53 * wizzyrea scowls at wahanui 19:53 jcamins Hehe. 19:53 rangi Lol cron changes depending on how many bits your system is 19:54 rangi I appreciate that 'theory' 19:54 hankbank hoy! 19:55 hankbank i truly am not... 19:56 hankbank working on presentation to Future of Libraries conference in SF about Koha at LG needed to talk about IRC as cultural phenom 20:01 rangi It's been around a while I've been on ice since 93 20:05 wizzyrea everything old is new again 20:05 cait good night #koha 20:05 wizzyrea gnite cait 20:09 jcamins Where would I find an example of using C4::Templates? 20:09 jcamins Ooh. 20:09 jcamins Cart in master. 20:10 bag grep is your friend ;) 20:10 jcamins bag: but what exactly would I grep *for*? 20:11 bag "something" 20:11 bag heh 20:13 bag http://tinyurl.com/cxr9skp 20:13 bag lame I know ;) 20:16 jcamins Nifty feature, but none of those do quite what I wanted. I'm thinking I'll use gettemplate, notwithstanding the fact that it means putting an internal template in modules/ 20:17 jcamins "Easy and close enough" has many advantages. 20:18 oleonard See ya #koha 21:08 rangi mveron++ 21:08 rangi all we are missing now is Translation manager, QAM, and meeting chair(s) 21:08 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12 21:10 * SJeffery has the feeling he will be doing a lot of bug testing of 3.12 *looks at his calendar in bewilderment* 21:12 rangi put your name down as a bug wrangler :) 21:14 SJeffery I prefer to pop out of the woodwork every once in a while to point out a whole bunch of bugs and then scamper for cover before the coders realize it. 21:14 rangi we know where you live 21:14 rangi :) 21:15 wizzyrea sjeffery? 21:15 wahanui sjeffery prefers to pop out of the woodwork every once in a while to point out a whole bunch of bugs and then scamper for cover before the coders realize it. 21:15 * wizzyrea giggles 21:15 SJeffery I hate you. 21:15 wizzyrea awwww 21:15 jcamins SJeffery: actually, that was all you. :) 21:16 jcamins @later tell oleonard The only thing remaining for my patch is to add jQuery-UI. The coding guidelines are not entirely clear about which files are needed, and where to put them. If you could give me a few pointers, that would be much appreciated. 21:16 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 21:16 jcamins SJeffery: wahanui understands "I." 21:17 SJeffery jcamins: be nice or I will start bug testing your code again. 21:17 mtj we need that thermometer grapfic on kc.org 21:17 jcamins SJeffery: oh, you'll have lots of opportunity. Your test server is due for some updates. 22:12 halcyonCorsair is there an easy way I can check to see whether my koha needs to run make upgrade? 22:14 rangi it should only need to run make upgrade if you are installing a new tarball 22:15 rangi make upgrade won't touch the database, that is done by updatedatabase.pl and they way Koha knows if it should run that is by comparing what is in kohaversion.pl 22:15 rangi to what is stored in the version number in the db 22:19 rangi ie 22:19 rangi if C4::Context->preference('Version') < C4::Context::KOHAVERSION; 22:21 halcyonCorsair rangi: so, if i'm updating to a new git checkout, then...? 22:22 rangi if you chose a dev install then the code is all updated, so no need to run make upgrade 22:22 rangi but you should run 22:23 rangi ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl 22:23 rangi if it doesnt need to do anything, it won't, but if it does need to, it will upgrade your database 22:23 rangi (normally this happens in the web browser) 22:23 halcyonCorsair rangi: if you do a dev install, then everything gets symlinked to point to the location of the checkout? 22:23 rangi yep 22:24 rangi so normally you would try to use koha, and if in the opac you would get the maintenance page, in the staff side you would get redirected and told your db needs to be upgraded 22:24 rangi but you can also just run the script from the cli 22:25 halcyonCorsair rangi: it should be harmless to just run? 22:25 rangi yup 22:25 rangi it does that comparison, and does nothing unless it needs to 22:26 rangi if you apt-get upgrade, it does that 22:29 halcyonCorsair rangi: if you want a play later, i have a pretty dirty recipe that's almost there 22:29 rangi ohh sweet 22:30 rangi unfortunately im stuck in answering rfp land today, but ill try to have a look tonight 22:33 halcyonCorsair rangi: oh yeah, how's the stability of the 3.8.x branch? 22:33 rangi both the 3.6.x and 3.8.x have monthly releases, but only bug fixes, on the 22nd of every month 22:34 rangi so 3.8.5 will be released on september 22 22:34 rangi we tag all releases 22:34 rangi so you could do 22:34 rangi git checkout v3.08.04 22:34 rangi would get you the 3.8.4 release, etc 22:42 halcyonCorsair rangi: will make install overwrite /etc config each time, or no? 22:43 rangi hmm its been a long time since ive done a tarball install 22:43 rangi i think yes 22:53 jcamins_away Sometimes you need to run make upgrade. 22:54 jcamins_away When Zebra config files change. 22:58 halcyonCorsair jcamins_away: is there a way to detect that? 23:01 jcamins_away halcyonCorsair: if any file changes in etc/zebradb 23:02 halcyonCorsair jcamins_away: err 23:03 jcamins_away Agreed, detecting changes may be problematic. 23:06 jcamins_away Ooh, figured it out: git log --pretty=format:%cD -n 1 etc/zebradb 23:06 jcamins_away Wait, even better! git log --pretty=format:%ct -n 1 etc/zebradb 23:07 jcamins_away Then stat prev-install-log and compare the timestamps. 23:09 jcamins_away (note that this *only* applies to when you're doing development... in production you should *always* use packages) 23:11 rangi halcyonCorsair: jcamins_away isn't that far away from you, he's in new york 23:11 halcyonCorsair well, I guess I'll put the 'production' issue off for later :) 23:11 * jcamins_away waves widely so you can see from four hours north. :) 23:11 halcyonCorsair lol 23:12 halcyonCorsair jcamins_away: am thinking about swinging by NYC, but not sure whether it'll happen or not atthe moment 23:12 jcamins_away New York is... revolting today, actually. 23:13 halcyonCorsair jcamins: revolting, or in revolt? 23:13 jcamins The former. 23:13 wahanui the former is much more complicated. 23:13 jcamins The humidity is ca. 100%, it's warm, and it's trash collection day. 23:14 rangi eeew 23:17 halcyonCorsair yuck 23:17 halcyonCorsair do the packages run the web installer from the cmdline, or is that where they stop? 23:18 jcamins They run updatedatabase. 23:18 jcamins They do not run the initial webinstaller. 23:19 halcyonCorsair out of curiousity, can it be done? 23:19 rangi it could 23:19 rangi using something like mechanize 23:20 * jcamins uses mechanize to do it. 23:20 halcyonCorsair umm, unimarc/marc21? does it matter? 23:20 rangi actually jcamins, youve done it with your release scripts eh? 23:20 jcamins Yup. 23:20 jcamins halcyonCorsair: oh yes. MARC21. 23:20 rangi halcyonCorsair: for your purposes id choose MARC21 23:20 rangi UNIMARC is primarily Europe and mostly just france afaict 23:21 halcyonCorsair oops, ah well :) i'm about to blow it all away in a couple of minutes to see how clever I am anyway 23:21 jcamins halcyonCorsair: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=install-fresh.pl 23:22 halcyonCorsair is there sample book data to import, or did I miss a step somewhere? 23:22 rangi nope you didn't 23:23 rangi it's something ive been meaning to add, but the easiest way to get one is to go to cataloguing, and use the z3950 search to import a record or 3 from library of congress 23:25 halcyonCorsair ah, ok 23:25 jcamins Library of Congress will only work if you're using MARC21. 23:27 rangi oh yeah 23:29 halcyonCorsair i'll try it post blowing away this VM then 23:29 halcyonCorsair preferred zebra option would be daemon, yes? 23:30 halcyonCorsair or no? 23:30 mtj hmm, what are the options? 23:30 wahanui the options are defined in the template. 23:33 jcamins Do not use zebraqueue daemon. 23:33 mtj what he said ^^ 23:33 halcyonCorsair i'm looking at: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Background_indexing_with_Zebra is that bad? 23:35 jcamins Oh, that one's fine. I like fredericd's daemon. 23:36 halcyonCorsair does anyone have an init script for it? 23:36 jcamins Ummm... tcohen does. 23:36 jcamins Somewhere in bugzilla.