Time  Nick         Message
00:06 rangi        mtj++ #writing tests
00:07 Judit        MORNING
00:07 Judit        sorry
00:09 jcamins      EVENING! :D
00:09 Judit        :D
00:09 * jcamins    thinks everyone should be that excited about their time of day.
00:10 Judit        i am
00:13 jcamins      Okay, what about this compromise for 8523: start out with replicating the existing functionality for non-UNIMARC, with a follow-up patch adding a cron job to generate bidirectional links from unidirectional data.
00:13 rangi        that works
00:15 jcamins      *?
00:16 rangi        as a compromise
00:19 jcamins      I don't want to do anything too big with this because the feature currently works with UNIMARC, and the larger the change, the more likely it is to break that.
00:19 rangi        *nod*
00:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #147: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/147/
00:21 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8626: Fix encoding in cart emails for use of quoted-printable
00:21 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8596 - Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates
00:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8626 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Encoding problem with = in cart emails
00:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8596 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates
00:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #148 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:31 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Koha Newsletter: Volume 3, Issue 8: August 2012 http://t.co/ypampVuI"
00:31 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @bibliogum: "@jsicot mais ce n'est que du koha pas la peine d'en faire tout un plâtra #blobsigb #nouveaucatalogue #kohails #mauvaisefoi"
00:31 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Koha Newsletter: Volume 3, Issue 8: August 2012 http://t.co/lK2IEZ0c"
00:31 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Setting Default Values for Item Records in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/PyNPcNrf"
00:31 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Setting Default Values for Item Records in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/QE4lSBr6 #kohails"
00:31 jcamins      mtj: not quite working there.
00:31 rangi        hmm nope still reporting old already reported stuff
00:37 rangi        49!
00:37 mtj          meh, im gonna give that birdy a rest ...
00:38 rangi        probably twitter screwing with their api again
00:38 rangi        they are a great case in point why building a business model on someone elses proprietary platform is a dumb move
00:39 mtj          what was the platform?
00:39 rangi        twitter
00:39 rangi        http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/whys-everybody-so-angry-about-twitter-should-you-care-965306
00:39 mtj          aah , i thought you meant twitter build their platform, on another proprietary platform
00:40 rangi        it's also a case why open api's aren't enough
00:40 rangi        apis too
00:40 rangi        if its not free software, you are still not in control
00:42 rangi        http://catalogue.bu.univ-rennes2.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=fish&searchOn=OPAC
00:42 rangi        purty!
00:45 rangi        they really did a lovely job on the css there
00:46 jcamins      Nice!
00:52 dcook        Morning #koha!
00:52 rangi        heya dcook
00:52 rangi        hows canada?
00:52 jcamins      Welcome back to this side of the Pacific/Atlantic.
00:52 dcook        Thanks, jcamins :)
00:53 dcook        Hey rangi. Vancouver is certainly growing on me again
00:53 dcook        How've the past few weeks gone?
00:54 rangi        not too bad, busy, but can't complain
00:56 dcook        That's good to hear. I downloaded about 1200 emails, but it was a reasonable amount of work left in the end. Yay for filters.
00:58 rangi        :)
01:11 mtj          wow, rennes is the best koha opac i've ever seen
01:12 loui         mtj kindly post his OPAC url here. tnx
01:12 jcamins      loui: it was just posted a half hour ago by rangi.
01:13 mtj          http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-08-30#i_1062517
01:14 loui         Sorry wasn't paying attention to previous messages.
01:14 loui         Thank you mtj.
01:14 mtj          loui, and now you know where the logs are :)
01:14 dcook        Wow, that is a beauty
01:15 mtj          i like the red person, with a head made of books
01:15 loui         yeah wow.. nice opac.
01:15 libsysguy    i like the cover images moved over
01:16 rangi        yeah they look nice on the left
01:16 libsysguy    it makes it feel more stream lined
01:16 rangi        *nod*
01:16 libsysguy    also the refine your search options are nicely spaced and laid out
01:16 jcamins      That's why I wanted to sign off on the change from <table> to <div> for results.
01:16 libsysguy    http://shouldiusetablesforlayout.com/
01:17 rangi        *nod*
01:17 rangi        use tables for things that should be tabular, the end
01:17 libsysguy    sometimes I cheat and use them for forms :-/
01:18 jcamins      lol
01:18 jcamins      Good content on that website.
01:18 libsysguy    indeed
01:18 libsysguy    classy
01:18 rangi        sometimes you have to .. depending if you have to support horrible old browsers
01:18 rangi        but really for koha, we dont need to
01:19 rangi        not anymore anyway
01:20 libsysguy    sometimes I get a little nostalgic about the good ol' days of IE6
01:20 libsysguy    :p
01:22 * dcook      twitches
01:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #148: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/148/
01:23 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Bug 8663 Fix the use of hardcoded date format for the calendar widget of hard due date
01:23 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8621: Alternative template for cart email
01:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8663 normal, P3, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Stable , Circulation rules hard due date calendar wrong format
01:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8621 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Template for sending out carts not formatting correctly
01:25 libsysguy    so I bought Perl Best Practices last week and have rather enjoyed reading it.  Does anybody have other reading suggestions?  I'm about to start working on a testing suite *hint* *hint*
01:25 rangi        modern perl
01:25 wahanui      rumour has it modern perl is a good one too
01:26 libsysguy    dang it play store doesn't have it
01:27 libsysguy    but its $5 on the kindle
01:27 jcamins      libsysguy: O'Reilly?
01:27 libsysguy    http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Perl-ebook/dp/B0057Z3QB8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1346289821&sr=8-2&keywords=modern+perl
01:27 libsysguy    ?
01:27 jcamins      [off] http://www.safaribooksonline.com/ <-- don't they offer every format ever?
01:28 libsysguy    hey I read that head first java book when I was in highschool
01:28 libsysguy    I really enjoyed it
01:28 jcamins      Oh, Modern Perl isn't an OReilly book.
01:28 loui         So I need to study perl to be able to modify Koha codes?:(
01:28 rangi        yes
01:29 libsysguy    mmhmm
01:29 libsysguy    to know perl is to know the language of the programming gods
01:29 libsysguy    :p
01:29 loui         Never used perl before. I just got interested when I tested KOHA.:D
01:30 jcamins      At least the trickster gods.
01:30 jcamins      Koha isn't an acronym, so the only letter you need to capitalize is the 'K.'
01:30 loui         Ok its time to understand God. lol
01:30 rangi        http://xkcd.com/208/
01:30 jcamins      lol
01:30 jcamins      A favorite. :)
01:30 libsysguy    personal favorite
01:31 libsysguy    ok rangi I bought that book
01:31 libsysguy    it better be good :p
01:32 rangi        it is
01:32 jcamins      If only there were a place from which you could borrow books for free.
01:32 libsysguy    yeah idk where that would be
01:32 rangi        anything by chromatic is good
01:32 libsysguy    I couldn't get a library card
01:32 jcamins      Maybe there could be one in every community.
01:32 libsysguy    so I think I am out of options
01:32 jcamins      Or even associated with every school.
01:32 rangi        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_(programmer)
01:32 jcamins      Naw.
01:32 jcamins      That'd be crazy.
01:33 rangi        http://www.onyxneon.com/books/modern_perl/
01:33 rangi        i get it from there
01:33 libsysguy    if only these places could be not so exclusive
01:33 rangi        and donate to the other
01:33 rangi        publishes are dicks and i dont want to encourage them :)
01:34 libsysguy    agreed
01:34 loui         I am working in a library with 35 thousand collections with only 2 perl old books.:(
01:35 libsysguy    well perl is old anyway
01:35 libsysguy    but not crusty
01:35 jcamins      loui: libsysguy lives in a city with at least a half dozen libraries.
01:35 loui         And these 2 books was never used. heh
01:35 libsysguy    jcamins don't encourage loui to make fun of me :p
01:35 loui         libsysguy you are lucky.
01:36 libsysguy    i recently moved here
01:36 libsysguy    but I used to work at a library (academic)
01:36 libsysguy    it was…enlightening
01:39 loui         anyone for perl vs php?;)
01:39 jcamins      loui: Koha is written in Perl.
01:39 * jcamins    thinks this is a signal benefit of Perl over PHP.
01:40 loui         jcamins you are right. I really need to learn Perl. My boss really likes Koha.
01:41 jcamins      Koha is great. :)
01:42 loui         Guys any suggestion of Perl IDE for windows?
01:42 jcamins      loui: vim. I don't think IDEs work well with Perl.
01:42 jcamins      (if you prefer, you can use Emacs, or any other text editor, of course)
01:43 * libsysguy  recommends emacs
01:43 jcamins      You're going to need to set up a Linux system to do your development on.
01:43 libsysguy    don't listen to these guys VI and VIM are evil
01:43 libsysguy    :p
01:43 jcamins      You can use VirtualBox to run a virtual machine with Debian.
01:43 jcamins      virtualbox.org
01:43 loui         ok tnx guys.
01:43 libsysguy    I'm just kidding, use whatever you're comfortable with
01:48 libsysguy    loui the way I started learning Koha was to think up a spall something I wanted to do and then try and do it
01:54 libsysguy    [off] rangi every time I see anything about New Zealand I think about you and catalyst http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/z09zm/the_new_zealand_government_is_currently_voting_on/
02:36 * dcook      glares at staff client search result formatting/punctuation
02:38 dcook        It appears that series title doesn't appear in the staff client search results, but series volume does...and it appears right after the title and before the author...
02:39 * dcook      wonders where the best place to put series information would be in the search results
03:40 Oak          Ahoy me hearties
03:40 Oak          and crickets
03:56 dcook        Allo Oak :)
03:59 Oak          :)
04:13 mtompset     Woo hoo! I found the case that breaks it!
04:16 dcook        Nice one, mtompset
04:16 mtompset     I can now move forward with getting my patch processed.
04:17 dcook        Always a handy thing ;)
04:17 mtompset     give this a whirl: cataloguing, cataloguing search: 9876543210, check the error logs.
04:18 dcook        Alas, I don't have much time these days, my good man, or I certainly would
04:18 * dcook      is at 1.5 days a week while he finishes off his degree.
04:19 dcook        Much rather be Kohaing than studying, but c'est la vie
04:20 mtompset     Cool. Don't want to distract you from studying. :)
04:22 dcook        Well, I am working atm ;). Looking at porting bug 8033 back to 3.2
04:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , add print receipt option to Koha self-check
04:23 dcook        Mmm...forgot about the template differences
04:23 * dcook      facepalm
04:44 mtompset     Ah yes. template differences.
05:20 mtompset     Greetings, Oak and cait.
05:22 cait         hello
05:28 Oak          hello :)
05:32 drojf        good morning #koha
05:55 cait         good morning Viktor :)
05:56 mtompset     Greetings, Viktor.
05:57 mtompset     Oak: Last night/This morning... I believe it was bag and mtj doing pirate greetings. You're done with the pirate greetings? :)
05:59 Oak          nah I did the pirate greeting this morning... then electricity went out, and when it came back, my IRC client auto connected...
06:01 mtompset     Ah.
06:01 mtompset     Okay, I missed it.
06:01 Oak          :)
06:01 mtompset     I guess I'll be walkin' da plank. ;)
06:01 Oak          and how are you today mtompset ?
06:02 mtompset     (need to reboot)
06:02 Oak          is not it morning?
06:02 mtompset     Tired. A backup failed last night, and I got it redone before going to bed.
06:02 Oak          ah
06:02 mtompset     It's 2pm.
06:02 mtompset     (in my timezone)
06:02 mtompset     Be back in a bit.
06:03 mtompset     Yes, I typed that, because acronyms suck. :)
06:03 Oak          okay :)
06:26 alex_a       bonjour !
06:32 mtompset     Finally! Got my headphone jack tweaked enough to work.
06:32 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
06:40 reiveune     hello
06:40 wahanui      hey, reiveune
06:40 mtompset     bonjour, reiveune
06:40 mtompset     greetings, mbalmer
06:41 marcelr      hi koha
06:41 mbalmer      good morning. mtompset, all
06:42 marcelr      hi mbalmer
06:42 mtompset     Greetings, marcelr
06:42 marcelr      and mtompset
06:42 wahanui      mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months!
06:45 dcook        Quick question for git bz gurus...
06:45 dcook        If I use git bz to apply a patch...and then that patch is re-submitted...would I have to revert that first patch before trying its replacement?
06:46 dcook        In this scenario, they're not using follow-ups, but...maybe people do actually use follow-ups instead?
06:46 mtompset     Sorry, I am not the guru on this.
06:47 dcook        Hmm, I suppose if this situation arose...I could do a diff and then make my own local follow-up for my git...hmm
06:47 dcook        Thanks anyways :)
06:52 dcook        Hmm, looks like bug 8033 has conflicts with 3.8 anyway...
06:52 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , add print receipt option to Koha self-check
06:52 dcook        At least 3.8.0...
07:02 dcook        Aha! Applying 8111 first helped resolve the conflict/lack of context
07:05 marcelr      bug 8111
07:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
07:36 dcook        Blah...looks like there are other things preventing 8033 from working
07:36 dcook        Although there are no warnings...just no content
07:36 * dcook      takes a look at Letters.pm and Members.pm
07:41 * mtompset   cheers on dcook in his coding quest.
07:49 mtompset     Hmmm... shouldn't the C4::Breeding in 3.8.x have a LOWER version number than the C4::Breeding in master?
07:51 dcook        I would think so yes
07:52 dcook        And thanks for the cheers, but I'm defeated for the day. I'll have to try again on Monday ;)
07:52 mtompset     I don't think my master is broken... but the version is 3.7 something vs. 3.8.x's 3.8 something.
07:53 dcook        Hmm, mine is the same
07:53 dcook        In hindsight, it might be more complicated
07:54 mtompset     Well, I'm going to ignore it.. and just generate a patch up. :)
07:54 dcook        And perhaps more local than the whole instance?
07:55 dcook        Anyway, I got to jet
07:55 dcook        Good luck!
07:55 mtompset     As far as I can tell, it won't affect my patch.
08:10 mtompset     Greetings, eythian.
08:10 eythian      hallo
08:31 kf           good morning #koha
08:32 eythian      hi kf
08:32 kf           hi eythian
09:01 mtompset     Does anyone know what "rc" means in the output of dpkg -l?
09:04 eythian      r=remove c=config files still around
09:06 mtompset     So how do I toast the config files?
09:06 eythian      apt-get remove --purge
09:15 mtompset     Seems I have to get lower "dpkg --purge", but thanks. :)
09:15 mtompset     eythian++
09:16 eythian      oh, yeah. If it's already removed I suppose apt-get won't do anything.
09:17 ibeardslee   things like synaptic seem to be able to track that and completely remove more
10:32 mtompset     you don't have synaptic installed on a server, ibeardslee . :)
10:33 kf_mtg       eythian++
11:15 mtompset     What does an "assignee" have to do for a bug report?
11:15 jcamins_away mtompset: write the patch.
11:15 jcamins_away Generally.
11:15 jcamins_away Sometimes a bug report is assigned to the wrong person.
11:16 mtompset     Okay... I've done that. I even figured out what to do to test it.
11:16 mtompset     bug 8350
11:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
11:20 jcamins      mtompset: put the test plan on the bug.
11:20 mtompset     It's in the comments on the bug.
11:21 mtompset     not to mention... the description is it.
11:21 jcamins      Good.
11:21 mtompset     I even attached 3.6, 3.8, and master patches.
11:22 mtompset     though the 3.8 and master patches are essentially identical.
11:22 jcamins      You should only attach separate patches if the patch for master won't apply to the previous branches.
11:23 mtompset     well there were line number shifts between 3.6 and 3.8
11:24 mtompset     oh... does it make sense that the C4::Breeding version is smaller in master than 3.8?
11:25 jcamins      git will handle line number changes, if the lines in that area are the same.
11:25 jcamins      Doesn't matter.
11:26 mtompset     okay, so I patch over-killed.
11:28 jcamins      I will test your patch.
11:28 mtompset     Thanks, jcamins.
11:29 jcamins      Hm.
11:29 jcamins      I need to prune some branches, I think.
11:30 jcamins      Are all three patches identical?
11:31 jcamins      Yup.
11:31 mtompset     3.6 has line shifts.
11:32 mtompset     I've never attempted to apply a patch, so I wasn't sure how that works.
11:32 jcamins      All identical. :)
11:32 mtompset     Identical in content, but they were all done in the systems they are labeled. :P
11:33 jcamins      Right, you forgot to label 3.6.x.
11:33 jcamins      However, it doesn't matter because there should only be one patch.
11:34 mtompset     I suppose you could sign one off and obsolete the rest. ;)
11:34 jcamins      I am doing so.
11:34 jcamins      If it works.
11:35 mtompset     One bad patch, and I get "if". :P
11:35 jcamins      Looks good.
11:38 mtompset     Thanks for testing it, jcamins.
11:42 jcamins      When writing patch messages, please be sure to A) put a brief -- ~50 character --  description on the first line, B) put an enlarged description manually wrapped at 72 characters starting on the third line, and C) use carriage returns.
11:43 * jcamins    fixed it for this patch, just for the future.
11:46 mtompset     (a) Yes, I figured that after the fact, (b) 65 all the way, baby ;), and (c) 1 d0n't L1k3 cR's. ;)
11:47 mtompset     jcamins++
11:47 mtompset     pootle?
11:47 wahanui      rumour has it pootle is down for me - can someone else check
11:47 mtompset     wahanui, I wanted a URL.
11:47 wahanui      mtompset: sorry...
11:47 jcamins      forget pootle
11:47 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot pootle
11:48 jcamins      pootle is http://translate.koha-community.org/
11:48 jcamins      mtompset: 65-character wrapping is fine, too.
11:48 mtompset     Why is it called pootle?
11:48 jcamins      That's the software.
11:49 mtompset     Ah... Well, pootle is down for me too.
11:49 mtompset     pootle?
11:49 wahanui      i heard pootle was http://translate.koha-community.org/
11:49 jcamins      It's up for me.
11:49 jcamins      forget pootle
11:49 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot pootle
11:49 jcamins      pootle is http://translate.koha-community.org/
11:50 jcamins      I must have misspelled something.
11:52 mtompset     No, it came up... I blame my internet.
11:52 mtompset     I was just running through my list of 25 bugs from the top.
11:53 mtompset     first two, can't solve.
11:53 mtompset     This pootle thing looked possible. But I noticed kf seems to have touched spanish already.
11:54 mtompset     So I'll have to ask kf later about it.
11:54 eythian      anyone can always add more translations
11:54 mtompset     Yes, but she commented on my bug report.
11:54 mtompset     So, I figured maybe she fixed it.
11:54 jcamins      Yeah, that wasn't a real bug.
11:55 mtompset     Well, if you can't install spanish, it is. :P
11:55 kf_mtg       hm?
11:56 kf_mtg       oh i didn't fix it
11:56 kf_mtg       someone else seems to have
11:56 jcamins      You can install Spanish even with that.
11:57 kf_mtg       but not for 3.8.2 probably
11:57 kf_mtg       jcamins: I didn't test it - sometimes you can, sometimes the parser gets too confused and dies
11:58 jcamins      kf_mtg: oh, I didn't realize those error messages were ever a serious problem- I've seen them many times, and it installs just fine.
11:58 kf_mtg       yeah, but they can be serious - it depends
11:58 kf_mtg       some are fatal
11:58 kf_mtg       those probably isn't
11:58 kf_mtg       since they changed the output of the script it got a bit hard to tell without -v
12:00 mtompset     Oh, your name was kf_mtg, I didn't want to disturb you, kf.
12:01 * kf_mtg     nick kf
12:01 kf_mtg       it's ok, I am back
12:01 kf_mtg       but quite busy - leaving earlier today and was away for 2 days because of our koha workshop
12:02 mtompset     how did the workshop go?
12:03 kf_mtg       ah, it went well :)
12:04 eythian      kf_mtg: your nick change didn't work
12:04 kf           yeah... I always do that
12:11 mtompset     Aren't irc clients supposed to be smart enough to know what you meant? ;)
12:12 kf           I hate it when things are trying to be smarter than I am - better leave it like this
12:27 mtompset     Actually, the funny thing is... I was looking at the .po file and the second error in my bug report was a result of what seemed like commented out rules.
12:29 mtompset     which means there may be a tmpl_process3.pl bug.
12:29 mtompset     But I'll look at that... tomorrow.
12:38 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:38 kf           hi oleonard
12:38 kf           :
12:38 kf           :)
12:43 mtompset     Greetings, oleonard.
12:44 mtompset     Thanks for the assignment, oleonard. I figured out a test plan for bug 8350, and jcamins was kind enough to sign it off.
12:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
12:46 oleonard     Glad to hear it mtompset
12:51 * eythian    notes that "delete reading history" doesn't seem to work.
12:51 jcamins      eythian: better it do nothing than erase all reading history everywhere.
12:51 eythian      well, better still it delete the correct history.
12:52 jcamins      True.
12:54 mtompset     Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone.
12:54 eythian      later
12:56 drojf        what will koha do if i import records via "tools" and some have identical barcodes?
12:57 jcamins      drojf: blank the barcodes, I think.
12:58 drojf        oh that would be friendly :) so having blank barcodes would be an option if i know which items are problematic beforehand?
12:59 jcamins      No, I don't think it gives you a choice.
12:59 jcamins      I haven't tried it, but I think it just blanks the barcodes silently.
12:59 oleonard     Okay, meeting time. bbl.
12:59 drojf        no i mean before i import the data, i could prepare the data with blank barcodes and that would be ok to import?
12:59 jcamins      Oh.
13:00 jcamins      Yes.
13:00 jcamins      But why do you have duplicate barcodes?
13:01 drojf        because we did not have barcodes in the old system. so we decided to use call number as barcode for import and then switch to real barcodes when it is imported. now that some call numbers got changed, some are ambigous
13:01 * jcamins    scratches his head.
13:01 jcamins      So what are you importing?
13:01 drojf        what do you mean?
13:02 drojf        the plan was to put the call number both into the call number and barcode fields when importing
13:02 jcamins      Right.
13:02 jcamins      So what are the duplicate barcodes?
13:03 jcamins      Wait- why are you doing that?
13:03 drojf        sorry for confusing you :)
13:03 drojf        you mean why the copy of call number to the barcode field?
13:03 jcamins      Right.
13:04 drojf        because you need the barcode to check out stuff. it will take some time until everything has a real barcode
13:05 kf           drojf: I think there is an importoption to deal with duplicate barcodes
13:05 kf           eythian developed it
13:05 kf           but not sure in which version
13:05 jcamins      kf: that's for bulkmarcimport.
13:05 kf           oh,
13:06 jcamins      I think stage records has always handled it.
13:06 kf           that happens when you just read back...
13:06 kf           that's possible
13:06 jcamins      drojf: okay, I am with you so far.
13:06 kf           but I thought it would just not import them at all
13:06 jcamins      Then we get to the duplicate issue.
13:06 jcamins      Why are you expecting duplicates?
13:06 kf           we have "overwritten" items in the past where some items had been missing
13:06 kf           and I think the duplicated didn't get added.. hm.
13:07 jcamins      kf: I haven't tried in a long time, but I thought it added them anyway, wreaking havoc upon the poor unsuspecting catalog. Easy enough to test.
13:07 jcamins      Once we understand what drojf is doing. :)
13:07 kf           jcamins: dealing with crazy data I guess
13:08 drojf        jcamins: because up until a few weeks ago, all call numbers were distinct, so the copy in the barcode field would have been too. that changed unfortunately, because somebody decided to have the same call number for several items
13:08 drojf        kf: yes
13:08 jcamins      drojf: okay.
13:08 jcamins      Now I understand.
13:09 jcamins      There is a problem either way the stage import handles it.
13:09 jcamins      If it blanks them, when someone tries to check out the second item that was imported, they'll end up with the wrong book on their record.
13:09 eythian      drojf: it's never worth overloading fields like that, someone always changes something that causes problems like this.
13:09 jcamins      If it doesn't add the item, you won't have an item.
13:10 jcamins      Here's what you need to do:
13:10 kf           drojf: would leaving them empty be an option?
13:10 jcamins      Figure out which call numbers are duplicated, and don't fill in the barcode for *any* of the items with those call numbers.
13:10 jcamins      Any other option is worse.
13:11 drojf        jcamins: okay, i will do that. thanks a lot
13:11 eythian      ah, bug 6506
13:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , deleting patron history missing errors
13:12 drojf        jcamins++ # one day i will find a question you cannot answer ;)
13:12 eythian      wahanui: woodchuck
13:12 wahanui      eythian: i'm not following you...
13:12 eythian      wahanui: woodchuck is how much would could a jcamins chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
13:12 wahanui      OK, eythian.
13:13 eythian      no wahanui, woodchuck is how much wood would a jcamins chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
13:13 wahanui      okay, eythian.
13:13 * eythian    : filling wahanui with useless factoids since 2010 or so
13:21 * druthb     chucks skittles, not wood.
13:22 kf           byeall :)
13:22 Joubu        hi all
13:23 Joubu        jcamins: hi :) For Bug 7992: In fact I think this plugin is not used. "am123" is the name of a BibLibre's customer.
13:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7992 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , new plugin about Automatic Number incrementing inventory. Prefix management from a authorised values list
13:23 jcamins      Oh, I thought that was "am" = French for "prefix" and "123" = example number.
13:23 Joubu        I agree with you, it is not userfriendly to remove an existing plugin.
13:24 Joubu        no :) am= Aix Marseille 2 cities
13:24 kf           Joubu: I think it is used
13:24 * jcamins    doesn't know the French word for "prefix."
13:24 kf           there are more countries using stocknumbers :)
13:24 Joubu        jcamins: it's "préfixe" :)
13:24 jcamins      Hehe.
13:25 mbalmer      FOLKS!
13:25 kf           but I have to leave now :)
13:25 kf           bye all
13:25 mbalmer      do we have a vectorized Koha logo around somewhere?  PDF or PS that is.
13:25 drojf        bye kf
13:25 jcamins      There's a PS somewhere.
13:25 Joubu        kf: ok if you think it's in used, we have to keep it. But is not too much to have 3 plugins for stocknumber?
13:26 kf           Joubu: if they work in different ways... I think it might not be a problem
13:26 mbalmer      jcamins, do you know where?
13:26 wahanui      jcamins, is, like, there something identifiably unique about them
13:26 jcamins      Joubu: they do different things in different ways, so I think it's not a problem.
13:26 jcamins      jcamins?
13:26 wahanui      i heard jcamins was A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
13:26 jcamins      where?
13:26 Joubu        jcamins: ok but as I said, am123 is not a good name :)
13:27 * jcamins    has no idea where wahanui got that from.
13:27 jcamins      mbalmer: I do not. Possibly the wiki.
13:27 mbalmer      np, tnx anyways
13:27 jcamins      I think it makes sense to keep the name as it is now.
13:28 * eythian    is off to a bbq
13:28 jcamins      mtj made it.
13:29 tcohen       hi #koha
13:29 jcamins      No idea where to find it, though.
13:29 jcamins      slef might have a copy.
13:30 Joubu        jcamins: I will propose a new patch
13:30 jcamins      Thanks.
13:31 tcohen       is there a way we can have suspensions logged the same way fines are?
13:31 slef         whowhat?
13:32 slef         ah logos
13:32 tcohen       a user is suspended by fines.pl, we'd like to be able to have a way of looking for suspensions on a user for a period of time?
13:32 jcamins      Right.
13:32 jcamins      tcohen: I don't think there is.
13:32 tcohen       oh my
13:32 jcamins      tcohen: there should be, though.
13:32 tcohen       i'll have to implement it !
13:33 slef         there are three around - one on the wiki and two I can send but can't currently upload to the wiki because I'm mobile.
13:33 tcohen       I had for 3.0.x
14:20 WaqarAzeem   Hello! i tried to install the gnome-desktop-environment on squeeze virtual appliance... after reboot got a blank screen. the error log shows: No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section"
14:22 jcamins      WaqarAzeem: that sounds like an X issue. Unfortunately, I don't know how you would fix it. As an aside, it's generally a better idea not to run a desktop environment on servers.
14:24 WaqarAzeem   thanks for the reply. yeah that's rigth not to install the UI. but its wired to find this.
14:26 jcamins      My guess (keeping in mind that I haven't had problems with X since xfree86 was current) is that either A) it's the graphics card driver, or B) the X autoconfig didn't run and you don't have any screens configured.
14:48 jcamins      mveron: I heard you don't bake cookies in your dishwasher!
14:52 mveron       jcamins: No... But it would be a nice idea... :-)
14:54 * mveron     faces an evening shift for some work that urgently has do be done...
14:54 rambutan     ah, isn't overtime pay great?
14:55 mveron       rambutan: Not if you are your own boss :-)
14:56 rambutan     Well, give yourself a raise! :)
14:57 mveron       Will do...
15:08 Brooke       o/
15:09 reiveune     bye
15:29 Brooke       hey Owen :)
15:30 oleonard     Hi
15:30 wahanui      privet, oleonard
16:05 Joubu        bye++
16:27 libsysguy    in accountlines, what is the difference between amount and amountoutstanding?
16:28 druthb       amount is the original fine amount, and amountoutstanding is how much they owe.
16:33 libsysguy    thanks druthb
16:33 druthb       yabetcha.
16:44 nengard      hello #koha - at training for a new koha library
16:44 nengard      say hello :)
16:45 druthb       Hi there!  :)
16:45 * druthb     waves from eastern Kansas
16:47 * jcamins    waves from New York City.
16:50 * oleonard   waves from southeast Ohio
16:56 oleonard     Did mbalmer ever find the Koha logo he was looking for?
16:57 oleonard     It's in misc/interface_customization
16:59 oleonard     @later tell mbalmer You can find the Koha logo in various formats in misc/interface_customization
16:59 huginn       oleonard: The operation succeeded.
17:03 * oleonard   falls under the can't-connect-to-git cloud again
17:35 gmcharlt     quick poll - what would folks think of having call number searches (under staff and opac advanced search) default to callnum,phr,rt ?
17:35 gmcharlt     i.e., automatically truncated left-anchored phrase searches?
17:35 jcamins      +1
17:39 gmcharlt     we have achieved unanimity! ;)
17:42 * oleonard   enthusiastically votes for whatever is in the majority!
18:22 slef         "    The action you have requested is limited to users in the group: Users.
18:22 slef         You must confirm your e-mail address before editing pages. Please set and validate your e-mail address through your user preferences.
18:22 slef         What the heck, wiki???
18:22 slef         oh
18:22 slef         it's logged me out AGAIN
18:24 drojf        slef: still on mobile internet?
18:24 slef         drojf: yep
18:24 slef         drojf: maybe less than a week to go
18:25 drojf        ok that is not too long anymore
18:30 drojf        in the manual, is the example for a matching rule correct? it has tag '001', subfield 'a' set to match control number, but the control fields don't have subfields AFAIK http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/catadmin.html#recordmatchingrules
18:32 jcamins      drojf: I suspect not.
18:47 wajasu       hopes that bug 8378 is signed off so that bug 8607 works with <fine> as well
18:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
18:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8607 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , overdue_notices is broken
18:51 * oleonard   encourages wajasu to create an entry on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
18:55 * oleonard   wonders what might be causing this template error: "unexpected end of input at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 128."
18:55 jcamins      oleonard: missing an [% END %]
18:58 oleonard     You're right jcamins, I just hadn't found it yet.
19:21 * wizzyrea   waves
19:25 oleonard     Hi wizzyrea
19:34 oleonard     I'm working, why not, on Bug 1917, and thinking about RSS feeds for private lists. A good idea?
19:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1917 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add RSS Feeds for Lists
19:34 oleonard     I've seen some sites offer "private" RSS feeds, which are merely feeds with long obscure URLs
19:35 oleonard     Hm, but Koha would still ask that the user be logged in without some rewriting...
19:41 drojf        "This sounded like a pretty easy enhancement to develop." … 2008-03-04
19:42 oleonard     It is, if you take the time to do it :)
19:42 drojf        :)
19:42 * oleonard   plans to be the last man on Earth still using RSS
19:43 drojf        you have to have dreams in life!
19:44 drojf        hi nengard, got a minute? documentation question
19:45 oleonard     Oooh burn.
19:45 slef         heh
19:45 drojf        well, i tried ;)
19:46 slef         hang on... is squeeze-dev head and squeeze 3.8.x?
19:46 jcamins      Yes.
19:46 drojf        i think so
19:46 slef         bah, it's late and I was blindly following someone else's notes which said squeeze-dev
19:46 slef         which I don't want on a production system, do I?
19:46 * slef       backs stuff out
19:46 drojf        the wiki? have done that before
19:48 drojf        slef: no, you don't want that on a production system unless you are very adventurous :)
19:48 drojf        or your client is
19:48 slef         drojf: they're not. Only just persuaded them off 3.0... I think head might be a bit of a shock
19:49 drojf        you'll never know if you don't try ;)
19:50 slef         I want a quiet life ;)
19:57 slef         is it right that there's no tv coverage of the paralympics in the US?
19:58 oleonard     http://news.yahoo.com/full-tv-coverage-paralympics-just-not-us-155847948--finance.html
19:58 oleonard     "U.S. audiences must contend with 5 1/2 hours of programming — some of which will air only after the 11-day competition in London has concluded on Sept. 9."
19:59 slef         ok, so our presenters exaggerated or I misheard
19:59 oleonard     Oh nice, private shelves are no longer private in 3.8.x
19:59 oleonard     >:(
20:00 slef         oleonard: o_O
20:04 slef         (ot:paralympics) ah but all except the 60 minutes highlights show a week after the event are on cable. Well that sucks.
20:05 oleonard     A "private" list I created in the ByWater demo: http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?viewshelf=29&sortfield=
20:06 drojf        oleonard: looks very secret to me
20:14 slef         ERROR 1044 (42000) at line 4: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' to database 'koha_main'
20:14 slef         hrmph
20:15 slef         that doesn't usually happen
20:16 oleonard     git bisect blames Bug 7310
20:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
20:16 slef         improved, huh?
20:17 drojf        depends on the perspective i guess
20:17 jcamins      I have to say- I prefer the Koha installation procedure to the Evergreen installation procedure.
20:17 oleonard     Are you getting into the Evergreen biz jcamins?
20:19 jcamins      oleonard: heck no.
20:19 jcamins      I just want to install it because I like their QueryParser.
20:19 * oleonard   must leave
20:19 drojf        oleonard: "3 Share private lists with another patron (as described before). Can be turned on/off with a preference." sounds like you should be able to change the behaviour somewhere
20:19 oleonard     Bye #koha
20:20 drojf        what is it with people running off after i write to them? maybe i should take a bath
20:21 jcamins      lol
21:25 drojf        good night
21:29 * cait       waves
21:29 jcamins      How was the picnic?
21:37 cait         picnic?
21:37 jcamins      Didn't you make cole slaw for a picnic?
22:47 mtj          interesting apple/samsung discussion -> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120828225612963
22:52 mtj          doublefail, both patent and legal systems