Time Nick Message
00:01 Shane-S is there anyway to name "batches" in the label maker / patron card creator? I am making class list and right now they just have "id" numbers which doesn't help me know what batch is for what
01:03 mtj Shane-S, i think just 'id' at the mo...
01:04 mtj is there a link to the kc dashboard, from the website yet?
01:04 mtj … or do i need log a bug for that
01:15 rangi jsut drop wizzyrea an email
01:19 mtj ok, will do :)
01:31 mtj done
03:38 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@paulcnielsen @catatonichic shire of derby, also in WA, went from amlib to #kohails earlier this year #justsaying :-)"
05:09 mtj so, what ever happened to bibster? -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibster
05:10 mtj … apart from its website going offline :/
05:23 mtj oooh, pandoc -> http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/
05:24 mtj 'If you need to convert files from one markup format into another, pandoc is your swiss-army knife. Pandoc can convert documents in markdown, reStructuredText, textile, HTML, DocBook, or LaTeX to'
05:47 * magnuse waves
05:55 * cait waves
06:23 alex_a bonjour
06:28 marcelr hello koha
06:39 kf good morning #koha
06:45 mbalmer kohallo!
06:45 marcelr hi kf & mbalmer
06:45 reiveune hello
06:46 marcelr hi
06:48 sophie_m hello #koha
07:06 * Oak waves
07:14 gaetan_B hello :)
07:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
07:17 mtompset @later tell jcamins Please check out bug 8356 for 3.6.x updating.
07:17 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
07:19 mtompset did anyone else notice the bad instructions on the Koha mailing list?
08:03 mona Error; your data might not have been saved You need to log in again, your session has timed out
08:04 mona while setting system preferences i am getting this error every second please help
08:04 mona i am unable to save
08:08 rangi have you tried logging in again?
08:09 mona yes many times
08:09 mona this error is comming every second
08:10 mona pls help
08:13 mona Error; your data might not have been saved You need to log in again, your session has timed out pls help
08:16 rangi and you have logged out and hten in again right?
09:02 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "back from holiday... 800+ mails to read... then back to pushing patches to #kohails ..."
10:27 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "pfew... 80 bugs passed QA while I was AFK... lot of work to push to #kohails... (an 79 in signed-off status...)"
10:33 Oak hope I'm not disturbing the crickets.
10:33 Oak how are you kf
10:33 Oak magnuse
10:33 Oak mtompset
10:33 wahanui i think mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months!
10:33 Oak hello rangi
10:46 mtompset Hey, Oak.
10:56 mtompset Was I disturbing the crickets? ;)
10:59 kf hi Oak :)
10:59 kf sorry, was at lunch
11:00 mtompset Hi, kf.
11:01 magnuse Oak
11:05 mtompset magnuse, how are you?
11:15 mbalmer kf?
11:15 wahanui i think kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
11:22 kf yes?
11:26 magnuse slides?
11:26 wahanui kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell!
11:26 mtompset That's got to be an abuse of the bot.
11:27 * mtompset grins.
11:27 magnuse mtompset: not too shabby, thanks
11:27 magnuse and yourself?
11:53 shravani hi i want know how the users will reserve there books
11:53 shravani hi i want to know how the users will reserve there books
11:54 mtompset Sorry for the slow reply, magnuse. I'm well. Today was a holiday, but I still looked at some koha problems. :)
11:54 shravani are u online?
11:56 eythian shravani: they will reserve their books by finding them in the OPAC and reserving them.
11:56 shravani but there is no as such option in opac in koha, i had check
11:57 mtompset Is that what placing a hold is?
11:57 eythian mtompset: yes
11:57 mtompset what version of koha are you using shravani?
11:57 shravani 3.2
11:57 eythian shravani: the user on the OPAC needs to be logged in, and the option for them to place a hold needs to be enabled in the settings.
11:57 eythian Also, 3.2 is really old.
11:57 shravani hm
11:58 shravani oh sorry it not 3.2 its 3.4
11:58 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
11:58 jcamins shravani: 3.4 is still very old.
11:58 shravani ok
11:59 shravani but in this version also hold option is there?
11:59 mtompset I was looking at the manual for 3.2
11:59 shravani ok
11:59 mtompset http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/
11:59 mtompset I'm not sure the functionality you want is in that version.
11:59 rangi yes it is
12:00 rangi placing holds from the opac has been there since version 1
12:00 shravani ya exactly in this version no option is there for reservation
12:01 jcamins shravani: you will need to allow holds from the OPAC.
12:01 shravani wait then i have to check it once again
12:02 jcamins I'll tell you where to look.
12:02 jcamins Circulation and fine rules.
12:02 jcamins System preferences, in the Circulation and OPAC sections.
12:02 shravani ok wait
12:02 jcamins Probably other places that I've forgotten.
12:04 eythian There is a surprisingly large number of places that completely stop holds from working.
12:04 shravani oh
12:05 shravani iam checking in opac system preferences but i think so its not there
12:05 eythian did you search for 'hold'?
12:05 jcamins Also, this isn't to do with your problem, but you should think about upgrading to 3.6.x.
12:06 jcamins Look under the features section. "RequestOnOpac."
12:06 shravani hey i got it
12:07 mtompset It's better documented in the 3.8.X documentation: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/opacplacehold.html
12:07 shravani its there in opac option only, patrons to place holds on items from the OPAC.
12:08 shravani it is allow
12:09 mtompset shravani: Consider that 3.10 is coming out in November. :)
12:10 jcamins shravani: I promise you there are holds-related configuration options elsewhere. There is an entire section labeled "Holds policy" in Circulation preferences.
12:11 jcamins And you have to allow holds on the circulation matrix.
12:11 shravani hey but now only i had started working on this version, 2 months before then i hav to upgraded it again
12:11 jcamins shravani: why did you install 3.4 two months ago? 3.8 was already out.
12:12 mtompset What operating system are you using?
12:12 eythian in fact, 3.4 was put to bed more than two months ago.
12:12 shravani no i installed in january and my work was going on just now i had completed
12:12 eythian (and that's why I say we need to note versions that are considered completely unsupported.
12:12 eythian )
12:12 mtompset 3.6 was still out then.
12:13 shravani no that time 3.4.2 was out
12:13 jcamins Well, if you read through the manual you'll probably be able to figure out things yourself, so you can put off upgrading a bit longer.
12:14 mtompset 3.4.2 came out in July 2011.
12:14 mtompset http://download.koha-community.org/
12:14 eythian January 27 2012 Koha 3.6.3 released releases
12:14 mtompset (not that I am advocating installing tarballs, just saying it was out then)
12:15 oleonard Hi #koha
12:15 mtompset Greetings, oleonard
12:15 shravani hm may b i didnt saw upgrade version
12:16 jcamins Good morning, oleonard.
12:17 mtompset Ohhh... look at the way the list is sorted.
12:17 mtompset 3.4.8 is listed earlier in the list than 3.6.3
12:17 jcamins mtompset: it doesn't really matter how it's sorted.
12:17 eythian it really doesn't
12:18 eythian I spent ages making a download list work in a normal way, and still people downloaded the wrong versions.
12:18 mtompset Yes, but if I was tired... I would have grabbed the 3.4.8 over the 3.6.3
12:18 mtompset because it was put up 3 minutes later.
12:19 eythian http://www.kallisti.net.nz/EMusicJ/Download <-- in the end I had to do this: split them up, _and_ put the latest one at the top of the "old versions" list
12:19 mtompset Oh wait... the links at the time should be fine.
12:19 mtompset at the top...
12:20 jcamins mtompset: yes. The only wasy people are looking at the list is if they ignored the links at the top telling them to download the current versions.
12:20 eythian jcamins: look at it and you'll see that's easy to do
12:20 eythian your eye immediatly jumps to the big list of files
12:20 eythian because you know that's what you're looking for
12:21 eythian Personally, I'd have the latest stuff as links, and then have an "old versions" link that takes you to the big list.
12:22 mtompset I like that idea... splitting the list off to an "archived" page.
12:23 mtompset Because if there are 5 lines of text... they'll likely read them before clicking the archive link.
12:23 eythian Yep.
12:23 eythian Also, the one you want people to download in big letters.
12:25 jcamins eythian: that makes sense, but the instructions all point to koha-latest.tar.gz, so I don't have that much sympathy.
12:25 eythian yeah, that's not really how people work though :)
12:26 eythian (I noticed this effect when I caught myself doing exactly the same thing :)
12:27 mtompset I'm running 3.6.3... I didnt read the top, because I figured it was telling me about 3.8.X
12:27 * jcamins figures that since no matter what we do, no one will follow the instructions, we might as well not worry about it.
12:27 oleonard People follow the instructions all the time. The instructions they found on a blog post from 2008.
12:27 mtompset I think we should make reasonable steps to encourage correct clicking.
12:27 drojf hi #koha
12:28 jcamins oleonard: well, yeah, that's what I meant. Except that blog post also says koha-latest.tar.gz, I think.
12:28 mtompset Not all of them, jcamins.
12:28 mtompset For example...
12:29 mtompset Did you notice the thread in the koha mailing list where some one pointed to their instructions?
12:29 mtompset And how their instructions were lacking important details found in the INSTALL.{OS} files?
12:30 mtompset I know eythian noticed. :)
12:31 jcamins Yep.
12:31 jcamins Yeah, I thought about responding today.
12:31 eythian yeah, I didn't look deeply though, just looked for that specific thing
12:31 jcamins eythian beat me to it, though.
12:31 mtompset Actually, I beat both of you to it, but I didn't reply to the list, just him.
12:32 jcamins You should probably reply to the list, because people will be following those instructions, and setting up zebradaemon.
12:32 shravani hey please dont fight pls first undersatand my problem
12:33 mtompset We're not fighting... "beat you to it" is an idiom that means we replied first.
12:33 eythian That's not fighting.
12:33 eythian This is fighting:
12:33 shravani hm
12:33 eythian jcamins: People don't dislike you because you're hideous. Don't get me wrong, you are fucking hideous, that's just not why people dislike you.
12:33 jcamins shravani: we've been waiting for you to report back.
12:33 eythian http://www.insultgenerator.org/ <-- in other news, handy :)
12:34 * mtompset laughs, "That's so bad it's funny."
12:34 kf that seems to be one of the nicest things there
12:34 shravani i check all settings in my 3.4 version, i allow all hold options
12:34 jcamins eythian: Thou wilt be as valiant as the wrathful dove, or most magnanimous mouse.
12:34 eythian actually, most of those generated insults aren't very good it turns out
12:34 * druthb noticed that, eythian.
12:35 mtompset http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/circfaq.html#holdsfaq
12:35 shravani it came in opac also but not operating
12:35 mtompset I think that may help?
12:35 eythian http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/ <-- I'll stick to this for now
12:35 jcamins shravani: sounds like you didn't set up your circulation rules yet.
12:35 mtompset That's what my link says. ;)
12:36 shravani i setup but some options i forget to do
12:37 jcamins If you read through the link that mtompset just shared, and go through the configuration again, it should fix your problem, I think.
12:38 eythian slides?
12:38 wahanui kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell!
12:38 mtompset What is it wither kf, slides, and wahanui?
12:38 mtompset What is it with kf, slides, and wahanui?
12:39 mtompset I couldn't open insultgenerator.org, eythian. :(
12:39 eythian you're not really missing much
12:40 kf wahanui: slides are also And eythian too.
12:40 wahanui OK, kf.
12:40 kf slides?
12:40 wahanui kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell!
12:40 kf slides?
12:40 wahanui kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell!
12:40 eythian haha
12:41 kf slides?
12:41 wahanui kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell!
12:41 kf slides?
12:41 wahanui kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell!
12:41 kf oh bot.
12:41 shravani hm
12:41 eythian literal slides
12:41 wahanui eythian: slides =is= <reply>kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell!
12:41 kf eythian: as you are the bot programmer, I am quite sure you got some unfair advantage here :)
12:42 shravani chal bye nw iam leaving
12:42 mtompset Bye, shravani
12:42 shravani bye
12:43 mtompset jcamins: did you get my tell later?
12:44 jcamins mtompset: I did.
12:44 jcamins I'll take a look.
12:45 mtompset Because I noticed it made it into 3.8.x, but not 3.6.x
12:46 jcamins It involved a string change, so I held it for the next version, when fredericd will have an internet connection.
13:03 mtompset string change?
13:03 mtompset I added a 'u' into two urls.
13:03 mtompset No string changes.
13:04 mtompset Unless someone changed the Cataloging string.
13:04 jcamins mtompset: oh, it said "typo," so I pushed it back.
13:04 mtompset typo in a url. :)
13:05 mtompset Okay... another case of my ineffective communication.
13:06 jcamins Doesn't matter too much. It'll go in next month. :)
13:08 mtompset Just wanted to make sure of that. :)
13:34 tcohen goood morning Koha!
13:37 oleonard Hi tcohen
13:42 mtompset Greetings, tcohen
13:49 mtompset who is this perkunas at comcast person?
13:50 eythian I don't know, but I guess comcast is having a bad time
14:47 mtompset Well, I should call it a night. Bye, #koha.
14:59 Oak nengard++
14:59 nengard :)
15:00 Oak :)
15:02 gmcharlt @quote random
15:02 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #109: "<darling>yep — china kicks ass" (added by wizzyrea at 10:29 PM, December 01, 2010)
15:08 reiveune bye
15:40 tcohen is this paul that is writing in the list here?
15:42 tcohen does anyone know him?
16:09 jcamins tcohen: he doesn't use IRC.
16:12 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Creating a Statistical Patron in Koha 3.4 http://t.co/OJzAQ52N"
16:15 gaetan_B bye !
16:15 oleonard Bye gaetan_B
16:32 Brooke o/
17:02 tcohen jcamins, i don't think we can help him
17:03 tcohen seems a bit reactive to comments
17:03 jcamins tcohen: I agree.
17:05 eythian Hey guys, 3.6.8 packages are uploading
17:06 eythian s/ing/ed/
17:06 jcamins Woohoo!
17:06 jcamins eythian++
17:06 eythian @later tell cait finished the opac stuff, just ran through some (really) basic styling options. Going home now.
17:06 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
17:07 eythian @later tell cait I need new headphones, where should I get them from around here?
17:07 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
17:07 * eythian uses huginn as a personal messenger.
17:08 eythian hi cait
17:08 eythian how's that for timing
17:08 druthb :P
17:12 mtj morning #koha
17:12 cait hi eythian
17:12 cait are you home now too?
17:13 cait headphones?
17:17 tcohen eythian++
17:18 tcohen eythian: sennheiser PX100 are what I use
17:20 cait seems he is gone :)
17:22 cait hm which is a bit unfortunate, becaues the one store would be on his way home
17:22 jcamins Hehe.
18:17 * magnuse waves
18:21 * cait waves back
18:21 magnuse kia ora cait
18:21 magnuse ready for the workshop now?
18:22 magnuse slides?
18:22 wahanui kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell!
18:22 cait almost ready yeah
18:22 cait slides are done
18:23 magnuse yay!
18:23 magnuse kf++
18:24 drojf good evening #koha
18:28 magnuse @seen kmkale
18:28 huginn magnuse: kmkale was last seen in #koha 14 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 45 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <kmkale> bye all
18:28 * magnuse wanders off
18:29 drojf slides?
18:29 wahanui kf should be writing slides. Get to it! Schnell!
18:29 drojf i hope they are written by now ;)
18:37 eythian hi
18:37 wahanui hi, eythian
18:37 cait drojf: they are, the rest will be improvised
18:37 drojf hey eythian
18:37 drojf cait: cool :)
18:53 * drojf needs a secretary
18:59 cait drojf: huh?
19:00 drojf cait: wohngeldantrag
19:00 cait drojf: sounds exciting ;)
19:00 drojf yes, very :)
19:00 drojf i hate paperwork. you can trick me out of a lot of money just by asking to hand in a million papers
19:00 drojf eventually i will miss some deadline
19:04 cait eythian: what's this coming and going?
19:04 * druthb gets the velcro
19:04 eythian the wifi here is a bit crap and seems to cause regular disconnects
19:04 cait ew
19:04 eythian yeah
19:12 * mtj hands eythian a 'sudo apt-get install znc'
19:13 eythian I have znc, but I haven't got it set up for the koha channel because usually I'm using it from work and it doesn't need it :)
19:14 mtj … looks like your situation has changed, somewhat :)
19:14 cait heh
19:15 mtj but yeah, i recently switch to znc from dircproxy … and it just works (for me)
19:16 mtj i found dircproxy tricky to setup, and it only tracked *one* irc server :/
19:17 mtj (znc tracks many irc servers)
19:18 eythian yeah, I experimented with dircproxy a while ago, and found it wasn't great.
19:18 eythian znc is quite nice however.
19:20 mtj yeah, since i switched to znc - i'm now tracking irc.oftc, irc.perl irc.freenode servers (very happy)
19:21 mtj i first attempted that with dircproxy, and gave up… (too complex) :/
19:23 * mtj hopes he has encouraged others on #koha to try znc
19:24 * jcamins suspects that eythian_ has not done so yet. ;)
19:25 eythian no, not yet.
19:25 eythian I would now, but I also have to get some stuff finished before tomorrow
19:28 * eythian notes there are errors in the 3.8.4 de-DE translation.
19:28 eythian well, an error
19:30 * eythian needs to write a 'koha-password' script that tells you your password in a safer and nicer way that cat'ting koha-conf
19:33 eythian yay, now I can demo installing Koha in German
19:34 eythian (good thing I've done it so many times I know what the words are trying to say)
19:38 cait eythian: meh.
19:38 cait can you fix it?
19:38 cait or tell me where, then I will fix it on pootle
19:38 cait eythian++ :)
19:39 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Warnings from de-DE" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/139
19:39 eythian cait: ^
19:39 cait hm.
19:39 cait weird
19:39 eythian grr, I've been using your silly keyboard all day that now I'm having trouble using mine :)
19:39 rangi Morning
19:39 cait that's the cart again I think
19:39 cait morning rangi :)
19:39 eythian hiya rangi
19:39 cait eythian: you can give it back if you want :P
19:40 eythian no, it's still better than a laptop keyboard :)
19:40 cait heh
19:40 cait rangi: do I have to send eythian back?
19:41 cait eythian: oh crap, I think i forgot the usb stick at work
19:41 eythian oops
19:41 rangi Yes
19:42 cait oops indeed :(
19:42 cait I am not sure if I can get in there now... with the key
19:42 eythian do you have another copy of stuff?
19:42 cait on the computer at work
19:42 eythian I assume you put it in version control, like a normal person would...:)
19:43 eythian Your key should work, you'd need it if you wanted to work later
19:43 eythian *late
19:44 cait yeah, tha tmight be the problem
19:44 cait that they blocked it for certain times
19:44 cait and I was done with packing
19:44 cait hmpf
19:44 eythian ah
19:45 eythian otherwise it might require an even earlier start :/
19:45 cait wish me luck... going to rescue my presentations
19:45 eythian g'luck!
19:45 rangi Good luck
19:45 jcamins Morning.
19:45 wahanui i think morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:45 eythian Evening.
19:45 wahanui i heard evening was better for me - but not too late
19:46 * rangi pushes his to gitorious for that reason
19:46 eythian yeah, I put everything in a bzr repo (the 'bind' command makes sure that I don't forget to push by making it work sort SVN-like)
19:47 eythian Oh, I finally got around to refactoring my Catalyst beamer template into its own style, so you add a command and it re-themes everything appropriately. Going to save a lot of messing around in the future.
19:47 rangi Nice
19:48 jcamins Why bazaar not git?
19:48 eythian jcamins: a) because I already had a bzr repo set up from before I used git, b) I want to make sure that the local copy and the remote copy don't get out of sync and bzr makes that easier than git.
19:49 eythian I prefer git's branching model, but I don't tend to branch presentations :)
19:50 jcamins Ah.
19:51 oleonard Is it worth keeping C4/External/Amazon.pm just for sub get_amazon_tld? Or could that go somewhere else? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/External/Amazon.pm;h=53ebbd32300c6c25f2eded4a5ab1f4da19c1afaf;hb=HEAD
19:51 oleonard Re: Bug 8679
19:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Remove usage of Amazon API
19:53 rangi I'd strip the module to only have that
19:53 rangi There's not really a better place for it
19:53 oleonard Okay, that's what I started to do, but it seemed so small and lonely in there.
19:55 rangi :-)
19:56 rangi Personally I'd shift it to be a class::accessor and put it in Koha::External
19:56 jcamins small_and_lonely_and_thoroughly_tested++
19:56 rangi But then I'd get told off
19:56 jcamins lol
19:56 jcamins You would, yes.
19:59 eythian I'd suggest Moose::Heavyweight
19:59 jcamins lol
20:00 jcamins Moose::Superheavyweight?
20:00 jcamins Bug 8583?
20:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8583 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from the "Edit biblio record" page
20:00 jcamins Thoughts?
20:00 jcamins I kind of like this idea.
20:00 jcamins I have definitely heard of people accidentally overlaying records.
20:02 oleonard Maybe change the button label instead?
20:02 oleonard On the detail page the option is "Replace record via Z39.50"
20:03 jcamins That makes sense, and eliminates my concern about the extra click.
20:05 eythian hi kathryn
20:06 kathryn hi eythian :)
20:06 cait hi kathryn
20:07 kathryn hi cait, you and eythian all set for the next couple of days?
20:07 eythian almost :)
20:08 cait yeah almost
20:08 cait and now that I got my data... I can continue preparing
20:08 cait as soon as I have caught my breath
20:09 kathryn ooh
20:10 rangi heh
20:18 eythian http://paste.koha-community.org/140 <-- can someone who knows about what protocols Koha supports check that this is a) correct, and b) not missing anything for me please?
20:19 jcamins We also support CoiNS, sort of kind of maybe.
20:20 eythian cool
20:20 * eythian adds to list
20:20 cait jcamins: hm and unAPI?
20:20 jcamins Yes, unAPI.
20:20 cait z39.50 both directions
20:21 jcamins CAS?
20:21 cait never used it.... but in theory?
20:22 rangi heh
20:22 rangi someones feature is another persons bug
20:23 rangi yeah we do
20:23 rangi CAS works
20:23 rangi well it did 2 years ago when i last tested it
20:23 rangi I assume it still does, lots of french universities use it
20:23 mtj how about Koha's svc/rest api
20:24 mtj … is that the same as the 'unAPI' , or someting else?
20:24 rangi something else
20:24 eythian_ CoiNS =~ unAPI?
20:24 eythian_ they sounds like they do similar things anyway
20:24 jcamins eythian_: nope.
20:25 jcamins They're actually quite different.
20:26 cait svc/rest api sounds nice
20:26 cait wish I would know more about the oai-pmh
20:26 * jcamins agrees.
20:26 jcamins Rest is a wonderful idea.
20:27 eythian so, CoiNS allows you to include machine readable biblio data in a details page for software to pick out, right?
20:27 eythian if so, what does unAPI do?
20:28 * cait waits for jcamins
20:28 gmcharlt eythian: the same thing
20:28 magnuse eythian: OpenSearch?
20:28 jcamins eythian: it does the same thing, but they're very different standards.
20:28 eythian right, that's what I was failing to ask :)
20:29 jcamins Well, "standards."
20:30 cait lol
20:30 cait is there anything in library world that is not a "standard"?
20:31 cait brb
20:31 jcamins lol
20:31 jcamins No.
20:31 Brooke z39.50 is really a standard if we're not being sarcy :)
20:31 jcamins That's true, actually.
20:31 jcamins Possibly the only one.
20:32 eythian OK, I think I have enough "standards" in my list, and I'll leave the weirdo German ones for cait to explain :)
20:33 jcamins lol
20:33 jcamins We're working on making GND support beautiful.
20:34 eythian GND?
20:34 jcamins Gesomethinglongandunpronounceableforamericansnormendata.
20:35 Brooke hehehe
20:35 rangi isn't that any word longer than 8 letters? :P
20:36 cait Gemeinsame Normdatei
20:36 cait that's not too bad
20:36 cait and back
20:36 * rangi dials up the snark
20:36 jcamins rangi: hehe.
20:36 Brooke rangi it doesn't go to 11.
20:36 jcamins Brooke: of course not. It goes to 12.
20:36 eythian Oh, a weirdo German format. I'll leave that for cait to explain :)
20:36 Brooke XD
20:36 eythian It doesn't have to go above 8.
20:37 cait huh?
20:37 cait it's not like maori didn't have some pretty long names for places...
20:38 eythian tis true, but they're usually shortened to something easier.
20:38 cait gnd is quite short ;)
20:38 * Brooke agrees with Cait.
20:38 * eythian shall make a competing standard and call it +VE
20:38 Brooke Mohegan does the same thing
20:38 * cait sets a second alarm
20:38 jcamins +VE?
20:38 eythian electronics are labeled with +ve and gnd
20:38 Brooke http://thedatahub.org/dataset/dnb-gemeinsame-normdatei
20:39 liw Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte
20:40 jcamins Hehehe.
20:40 Brooke those are food words!
20:40 * Brooke speaks food regardless of locale.
20:40 jcamins A glass of chocolate schnitzel with banana cake and... something, please?
20:40 * eythian doesn't want to eat a hauptbahnhof
20:40 eythian I'd be full after the first platform
20:41 jcamins lol
20:41 jcamins @translate "Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte" to english
20:41 huginn jcamins: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
20:41 jcamins @translate german to english Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte
20:41 huginn jcamins: Error: We broke The Google!
20:42 jcamins @translate german to english "Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte"
20:42 huginn jcamins: Error: We broke The Google!
20:42 jcamins @translate de to en "Eine Tasse Schokoladenschintzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Hauptbanhnhof, bitte"
20:42 huginn jcamins: Error: We broke The Google!
20:42 Brooke huginn worse that zola in any language. Alack, alack, alack
20:42 huginn Brooke: downloading the Perl source
20:43 cait you want a translation? :)
20:43 cait a cup of chocolate schnitzel with banana potatos and a main station, please
20:43 jcamins lol
20:44 eythian oh, I've asked about kartoffeln a few times since I've been here I think
20:44 eythian I should know by now
20:44 * jcamins thinks liw just strung all the German words that came to mind together.
20:44 liw my German teacher would be so disappointed in me
20:44 Brooke heheh
20:44 * jcamins is especially tickled by the chocolate schnitzel.
20:44 Brooke my German professor was never anything _but_ disappointed in me, so yeah.
20:46 liw jcamins, I've used that line a number of times in places like conferences, where I'm the only non-German at a table, and everyone else is speaking German, and I can't keep up -- repeating that a few times induces a switch to English
20:46 cait heh
20:46 cait eythian: vocabulary question: pilze?
20:47 eythian mushrooms! (or onions, I forget)
20:47 cait lol
20:47 cait I will pretend to not see the parentheses
20:48 cait or the content of those :)
20:48 cait Zwiebeln?
20:48 * cait is trying to teach eythian to read the pizza menu :P
20:49 Brooke cait++
20:49 cait oooh
20:49 eythian was I right? my computer just went strange
20:49 cait eythian: Zwiebeln?
20:49 cait the mushrooms were correct :)
20:49 eythian oh, then that one must be onions :)
20:50 cait yay!
20:50 cait you won the first prize! a 2 day koha workshop in baden württembergs wonderful capital stuttgart!
20:50 Brooke watch it, it's a trick to get you to classify 640s
20:50 eythian wooo!
20:51 * eythian doesn't really feel like a winner after writing three talks ;)
20:51 Brooke the first brownie is always free, and then you look down sometime later and your leg has been chained to a cataloguing cubicle in the basement.
20:51 cait eythian: it's because you are so good and fast at it :)
20:52 rangi hmmm
20:52 cait I only wrote 2.... and still fuzzing over my workflows thing
20:52 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze#See_also
20:52 Brooke what's upstreaming in german?
20:52 rangi i dont think that is useful at all
20:52 cait context?
20:52 Brooke if you write something good, upstream it :)
20:52 cait upstream.
20:52 jcamins rangi: I can't tell if that's satirical or not.
20:52 rangi im gonna break that link
20:53 eythian rangi: I don't know what that is, but it's all kinds of wrong
20:53 rangi link broken
20:53 jcamins rangi: good plan.
20:53 Brooke AH
20:53 Brooke anything that redirects back to my guide is a bad idea in general XD
20:53 cait who is that joe person?
20:53 rangi not that one, the debean one
20:54 rangi joe is a text editor cait
20:54 cait aah thx
20:54 cait so it makes less sense even.
20:54 cait to me.
20:54 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debean_Squeez_Script
20:54 rangi there i fixed it
20:55 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Waqar
20:55 rangi yeah i like the front page one, i can live with that
20:55 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Main_Page
20:55 rangi the little notey thing
20:57 Brooke oh that is weird. Anyone check out the EFDSS opac for the ghost behaviour?
20:57 * jcamins did not.
20:57 jcamins The index probably has to be reinitialized.
20:58 rangi oh yeah i replied that
20:58 eythian yeah, I looked at that. My first instinct would be a broken zebra, my second would be dodgy data.
20:58 rangi but i forgot to remove my gpg key
20:58 rangi so the mailing list ate it
20:58 eythian the zebra thing is easiest to fix however.
20:58 cait yum.
20:58 eythian Has there been a plan to move the list to @koha-community.org?
20:59 cait hm aren't the lists all at lists.koha-community.org?
20:59 jcamins I wouldn't want to have a comcast.net e-mail address.
20:59 eythian no, the main one isn't
20:59 jcamins How long has their mail server been out?
20:59 eythian days
21:00 Brooke it's comcastic ;)
21:01 eythian something bombastic
21:01 eythian http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/wp-content/uploads/White-Zebra-02-634x950.jpg <-- maybe this is their zebra
21:01 cait eythian: I think I fixed the po file on pootle
21:01 eythian cool
21:04 rangi jcamins: mailman will get sick of them soon and disable them for excessive bounces, unless it comes right
21:05 JoeLib001 I have been looking at the code for /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/z3950_search.pl and ../cataloguing/z3950_search.pl
21:05 jcamins rangi: good.
21:05 eythian rangi: I don't think mailman knows it's happening, as we're getting the bounces
21:06 rangi im pretty sure it does
21:06 Brooke aren't monopolies wonderful?
21:06 rangi but if it doesn't disable it by friday ill do it by hand
21:06 JoeLib001 It seems that bug 8680 could be fixed by replacing lines 151-154 in the acqui file with the lines that were used to patch the cataloguing file in bug 8550.
21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8680 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic in the Acquistions Module
21:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic
21:07 jcamins Why can't you save options with CSS/
21:07 jcamins *?
21:07 jcamins *hide
21:07 * jcamins has no idea where "save" came from.
21:09 rangi JoeLib001: quite likely, which means that code should not be in 2 places but in a module that both those scripts use
21:09 cait jcamins: where?
21:09 jcamins cait: advanced search.
21:09 eythian jcamins: you can
21:09 eythian I did it today
21:09 jcamins eythian: ooh, tell me how.
21:09 rangi any time you are tempted to cut and paste from one script to another .. then that's a sign it shouldnt be in both :-)
21:09 cait if it has an id or class you can
21:09 jcamins eythian: I mean an <option> in a select.
21:10 jcamins Hm.
21:10 eythian oh
21:10 * jcamins shall poke more.
21:10 cait if it had an id
21:10 cait you could
21:10 JoeLib001 Hehe. :-)
21:10 eythian hmm, I don't know that CSS allows selectors to get that specific or not
21:10 * jcamins gave it a class.
21:10 eythian also, options are more semantic than most things
21:10 JoeLib001 The scripts are very similar, but the acqui one is more compliacted as it deals with ordering items.
21:11 eythian so I could see CSS not applying to them for things like hiding
21:11 eythian but I don't really know
21:11 jcamins Yeah, I can confirm that it's not working for me.
21:12 cait hm
21:12 cait jcamins: http://de.selfhtml.org/html/referenz/attribute.htm#option
21:12 cait doesn't look like ids or classes are allowed
21:13 cait hm
21:13 cait no it should
21:13 cait http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_option.asp
21:14 jcamins cait: according to StackOverflow, I can't change the visibility with CSS.
21:14 cait annoying
21:14 jcamins Very.
21:15 jcamins Oh well.
21:16 rangi jcamins: how hard would it be to add itemtypes into the facets (in the current code, not in the better not crud code) .. hours, days?
21:16 jcamins rangi: easy.
21:17 rangi cool
21:17 cait yep
21:17 jcamins Could I sell you on the idea of making facets not suck at the same time? :)
21:17 rangi you could sell me
21:17 rangi but probably not the client
21:17 jcamins Darn.
21:17 cait hm
21:18 jcamins Public good? Tragedy of the commons?
21:18 jcamins Faster searches?
21:18 eythian need more rich libraries :)
21:18 jcamins Relevant relevancy?
21:18 eythian why can't Telecom need a library? :)
21:19 rangi its just C4::Koha::getFacets eh?
21:19 jcamins Yup.
21:19 cait and a line in the template
21:19 cait for the label
21:19 cait includes
21:19 wahanui includes are broken for GRS-1.
21:19 rangi sweet thanks
21:20 * jcamins is sure that he's the one who said that, but isn't sure what he meant.
21:21 eythian blame the drugs
21:21 eythian by which I mean MARC
21:22 cait eythian: shouldn't we sleep?
21:22 eythian what time is the train again?
21:22 eythian ;)
21:23 eythian 10.35 wasn't it?
21:23 eythian plenty of time!
21:23 cait you play with your life and happiness...
21:28 cait how do we call the little search form for each module?
21:28 cait the one on top?
21:29 mtj cait: masthead.inc ?
21:29 jcamins I call it "simple search."
21:30 cait jcamins: hm, yeah maybe :)
21:30 cait mtj: in staff :)
21:32 jcamins I call both "simple search."
21:37 cait hmm
21:38 * eythian goes to bed, got a long day tomorrow
21:39 drojf i'd be ready for a chocolate schnitzel now
21:39 cait hm
21:39 cait banana potatos
21:40 drojf i'm out of those
21:40 eythian I still think a whole hauptbahnhof is too much for me
21:40 drojf heh. don't be shy, you can do it
21:40 cait eythian: maybe share with someone?
21:41 drojf you could try a stuttgart21 tomorrow ;)
21:41 cait or ask for a kinderportion
21:41 eythian I guess the nearby one is only 3 platforms...
21:45 cait ok, night all :)
21:45 cait long day tomorrow
21:45 drojf cait: when do you start to morrow?
21:45 drojf uh that was fast
21:45 eythian_ later
21:46 eythian_ drojf: train at 7.35
21:46 cait 11
21:46 drojf ugh
21:46 cait 2.5 from here to stuttgart
21:46 drojf if the deutsche bahn works ;)
21:47 eythian_ drojf jinxes it
21:48 cait yeah...
21:48 drojf heh. no, i just have my experiences with the german railroad system :(
21:48 * drojf hates deutsche bahn
21:48 cait IT WILL BE FINE:
21:48 * cait does repeat that a lot of times.
21:48 drojf it will :)
21:48 cait don't make me even more nervous :)
21:49 drojf nervous? you got your slides, what could go wrong?
21:49 cait I mean... I used to commute to stuttgart and almost every time I had to give a presentation for one of my courses... someone decided to do something really stupid
21:49 cait hmpf.
21:49 * cait goes to bed now
21:49 drojf good nightm have fun tomorrow
22:07 mtj oooh -> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/devscripts
22:08 rangi yep
22:08 mtj - licensecheck: attempt to determine the license of source files
22:08 mtj i hadnt seen that one before
22:09 rangi there are scripts in xt
22:09 rangi for checking for missing copyright headers, and wrong fsf addresses too
22:14 rangi we should be checking all those type of things
22:15 rangi also
22:15 rangi this
22:15 rangi http://neilb.org/reviews/dependencies.html
22:16 rangi and
22:16 rangi http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2012/08/detecting-bots-and-spiders-with-plack-middleware.html
22:16 rangi and finally
22:17 rangi http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2012/08/simplified-html-testing-with-mojodom-and-mech.html
22:26 mtj rangi++ impressive stuff
22:29 rangi perlbuzz
22:29 rangi its well worth following
22:30 mtj on teh twitter?
22:31 rangi i do rss
22:31 rangi http://perlbuzz.com/
22:43 mtj woah, 476 files missing copyright, in Koha
22:44 mtj $ licensecheck --recursive --copyright ./head 2>&1 |grep -i 'no copyright' |wc -l
22:44 mtj 476
22:46 mtj interesting too -> http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian
22:47 rangi yep, there is a bug for that
22:48 rangi mtj: i was hoping we could convince some librarians to do some sleuthing for us to get the right copyright headers .. no one showed much interest tho
22:48 rangi i might get the academy kids to play detective instead
23:11 mtj woah -> http://archive.org/details/marc_loc_updates
23:12 jcamins That is... what?
23:12 mtj http://archive.org/details/BritishLibraryRdf
23:13 mtj f*cked if i know… :p
23:13 mtj im curious enuff for a look, tho :)
23:14 jcamins Oh, it's just DLC's bibliographic database.
23:14 mtj http://archive.org/details/thomasnelson_2007_book_covers
23:14 mtj http://archive.org/details/amazon_2007_covers
23:15 mtj an amazon covers archive ?!
23:15 jcamins Interesting.
23:15 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
23:15 jcamins I would not have thought their ToS allowed that.
23:15 mtj amazon_2007_covers_0.zip ZIP 23.5 GB
23:16 mtj yeah, me too
23:17 mtj hmm, its a 'crawl' too, so prolly not legit from amazon
23:17 mtj <description> Crawl of book covers from amazon.com
23:19 rangi its not legit to store
23:19 rangi let alone crawl