Time Nick Message 00:52 rangi [off] damm that chris guy, releasing versions, now people all over the world will be wiping their servers! 00:52 jcamins [off] and if that's not bad enough, soon there's going to be another 3.*6*.x 00:53 jcamins [off] and I heard a rumor that there might be a 3.10, and even a 3.12 version. Unacceptable! 00:53 rangi [off] oh the humanity .. when will it end?!?! 00:54 rangi [off] won't someone think of the children! 00:56 jcamins [off] 3.million! Don't they know we have only ten fingers?!? 01:02 libsysguy http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/23362159.jpg 01:02 libsysguy oops 01:02 libsysguy that was for JesseM 01:06 rangi http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum 01:06 rangi :) 02:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #57 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #57: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/57/ 02:55 jenkins_koha * f.demians: 3.6.8 Translation Update 02:55 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Add release notes for 3.6.8 02:55 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bump version for 3.6.8 03:56 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.6.8 released http://t.co/dNLasvgY" 04:19 rangi cait: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 04:20 cait do I want to know? 04:20 wajasu i'm looking at why some overdue_notice messages don't have anything after Fine: store in the table. 04:20 wajasu i suspect that the Currency table unicode characters for the currecny format cause mysql to throw away the symbol and everything after that. 04:20 wajasu the column is text 04:21 wajasu in message_queue table 04:22 cait hm I don't think that is it 04:22 cait there is an easy test - put some currencies in your text 04:23 wajasu i'' try to cut n paste those inthe currency table and see if things get cut off from that point. 04:24 wajasu the mail i am debugging is a perl string, and it is supplied to the dbh insert command, and maybe the dbh insert statement is the culprit in perl? 04:25 cait unlikely 04:25 cait we do handle unicode in lots and lots of places just fine 04:26 cait I think it's more likely to be something else 04:26 cait hm 04:26 cait could you put in a warn for the string that we try to write in the database? 04:28 cait wajasu: and the currency table isn#t use here. We use a perl module for the formatting, it works with isocodes and is independent from Koha? 04:32 wajasu yes. this mail is being written to an array, one for each notice. then the script just dumps it to output, which is what we see with fines intact. later, since there is no patron email address configured, it formats notices as an attachment using MIME::Lite, I did a print just before the $dbh->last_insert_id statement and the data is intact. 04:33 cait hm 04:33 cait sorry, I am not sure how to go from there 04:33 cait maybe the data is not unicode at that point? 04:33 wajasu theat array gets dumped to the stdout and looks correct. I piped it into od-a and see two diamon questionmark characters. 04:33 cait od-a? 04:33 wajasu nothing from those characters onward is stored in the db. 04:34 wajasu old unix tool to dump hex, or ascii chars in a file. 04:34 wajasu octal dump. hex dump, etc. like dump command in old msdos 04:34 wajasu immean debug cm din msdos 04:34 rangi unless you have mangled your mysql install/db 04:35 wajasu no. its fresh. 04:35 rangi it will store unicode .... and all sorts of other char sets just fine 04:35 rangi one of my libraries notices has macrons in it, works just fine 04:36 cait we normally have umlauts - the title I tested with had none 04:36 cait but like rangi said - it onrmally works just fine 04:38 rangi would be odd this just started happening 04:38 wajasu it has to be related to those chars, because why would everything in the message be thrown away after that point. 04:38 rangi run it in the mysql cli 04:39 rangi and see 04:39 cait rangi: he is right that it looks like everything is thrown away. hm. 04:39 wajasu this is the rare case that when no email is configured for the patron, AND the KohaAdminEmailAddress is not configured. Then the notice is still queued. 04:39 cait wajasu: could you change the template and add something after the <item> line? 04:39 cait the notice template I mean? 04:40 rangi cait: it must be a recent change then, because else id have a zillion complaints 04:40 wajasu yes. do that now. but i have something already. its gone. 04:40 cait rangi: are you using he fine syntax? maybe just that little part gets encoded wrong? 04:40 rangi have you run the sql in the mysql cli 04:40 cait rangi: only guessing around here too I fear, like I wrote, we can try some more tests with changing the templates 04:41 rangi because you are chasing your tails otherwsie 04:41 wajasu yes. its only going to happen with my fix to the fine syntax. 04:41 cait the module we use for putting the fines in 04:41 cait there is a way to tell that to give back unicode if I remember correctly 04:41 rangi dump the entire sql 04:41 rangi cut and paste it into mysql itself, see what it warns 04:42 wajasu is there a method fromthe dbh api to do that? 04:43 rangi DBI you mean? 04:43 wajasu yes 04:43 wajasu like sth->sqldump() 04:43 rangi i thoght you said you dumped it already? 04:44 wajasu i printed $params->{'letter'}->{'content'} just before the execute 04:44 wajasu its the content column. 04:46 rangi from the man page 04:46 rangi Statement 04:46 rangi $dbh->Statement(); 04:46 wajasu ok. let me try that. 04:52 wajasu C4/Letters.pm around line 788 is what i'm looking at. 04:53 wajasu $sth->execute(@bind_values); is what is being used. 05:03 vkm hello koha users 05:04 vkm may i know how to unlock the field 111,110 in marc format so that i can enter the data here without using the authority 05:11 cait hi vkm, I think the info is in the fac 05:11 cait faq 05:11 cait faq? 05:11 wahanui i guess faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 05:11 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "i turned on mysql logging and cu this from the mysql .log on the server" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/131 05:13 rangi Yep not unicode 05:21 cait wajasu: maybe look into the way the currency symbol is created? it might be the module changed or we have to pass another flag 05:21 cait or something 05:22 wajasu yup. looking into it. 05:22 rangi Or mime lite 05:22 rangi Is butchering the encoding 05:23 wajasu yup. everything is suspect. 05:23 cait wajasu: if you want, you could add something like äüöß to your notice template 05:23 cait see if that prints right 05:23 cait and you could give the patron an email adress -make it easier to see the output in the table 05:23 wajasu i printed the contect after the mime lite to stdout and things look fine on screen. but it could have mapped chars. 05:25 wajasu i am querying the mysql table and can see things cut off. but now we know the statement got to the db. I'm going to try cut n pasting the log file code and look at the hex value. 05:25 cait hm 05:25 cait I think I woudl do another approach :) 05:26 cait first trying to rule out all the notice is encoded wrong 05:26 cait narrow it down if it's the fine part only or all of it, but putting some character s in the notice template 05:26 wajasu i replaced the fine in overdue_notice.pl with "$2.00" and nothing is cut off. 05:26 cait then I woudl look how the fine formatting is done and at the module doing it 05:27 wajasu $item->{'fine'} = currency_format($currency_format, "$fine", FMT_SYMBOL) 05:28 wajasu of the Locale::Currency::Format package 05:28 wajasu where $currency_format = "USD" or "GBP" 05:29 cait hmm 05:29 cait did you use the old patch from chris_n to restore the feature? 05:29 wajasu that character is binary so http://search.cpan.org/~tnguyen/Locale-Currency-Format-1.30/Format.pm 05:29 cait I remember I patched something aobut the encoding at some point later on 05:30 vkm thx cait 05:30 vkm dear friends i did not find any proper document which gives me clear cut idea about how to configure sendmail/postfix to generate auto emails (via gmail account) can any body help me 05:30 cait vkm: this is more a system administration question 05:31 wajasu cait: so there might be another patch floating around for this 05:31 cait yeah 05:32 wajasu saerching 05:32 cait 4904 05:32 vkm but i think somebody might be doing it for emails, so can we have proper document on it email configure and sms 05:36 rangi Vkm: configuring those are sysadmin tasks nit koha specific 05:36 rangi You should look for general guides on configuring an mta 05:37 vkm i have tried a lot but not sucess 05:43 wajasu the GBP unicode symbol being generated by the currency format routine is a3c2 05:43 wajasu now i'm going to see what MiMe Lite did to the buffer. 05:43 cait hm 05:49 wajasu my cutnpaste fromthe mysqllog to a file and output with od -x ( hex shows bfef 00bd 05:49 wajasu so i will try to store without mime lite, and see 05:53 cait good luck :) 05:54 cait and thx for looking into this 05:55 wajasu we're close 05:59 wajasu i tried wihtout mimm lite and the buffer still cut off. i'm going to have to research mysql text/unicode etc. 06:02 cait wajasu: I think it's not mysql really 06:02 cait we don't give mysql unicode 06:02 cait to store 06:02 cait that's more likely to be the problem 06:03 cait it's consistent to what happens when I try loading patrons that are not properly encoded - I get name scut off when an umlaut appears 06:04 wajasu the umalut not being a unicode character? or because mysql is not supporting that specific character in the text column type? 06:05 wajasu http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/charset-unicode-utf8.html 06:05 wajasu https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Basic_Multilingual_Plane#Basic_Multilingual_Plane 06:05 wajasu BMP only then? 06:06 cait the umlaut not being properly encoded 06:06 cait mysql supports properly encoded data just fine :) 06:07 cait that's what I am trying to tell you - I don't think it's mysql or the data type. The data we want to store is wrong, so it gets cut off 06:07 cait I wouldn't invest in searching a mysql problem here 06:08 wajasu if the ISO code is unicode (which i stillneed to prove), then i just need to encode it correctly? 06:08 * magnuse waves 06:08 cait hi magnuse :) 06:08 cait wajasu: I think it isn't 06:09 cait I am not sure why it isn't 06:10 wajasu i know a quick fix for the notice. FMT_STANDARD will do 3.00 USD 3.00 EUR etc :) 06:10 magnuse hiya cait 06:13 cait yeah,... but would be nicer to restore functionality 06:13 cait such problems are meh. 06:13 wajasu i'm looking into another route. 06:13 * druthb goes, "meh." 06:14 wajasu i think the code might need to be c2a3 instead of a3c2 (bigendian vs ?) 06:16 wajasu nope 06:26 alex_a bonjour tout le monde 06:27 cait hi wajasu 06:27 cait hm hi alex_a :) 06:27 cait was what I meant :) 06:28 cait alex_a: is joubu around or on vacation? 06:29 magnuse rangi++ and jcamins++ for new releases! 06:29 alex_a cait: Joubu is not on vacation 06:30 cait cool :) 06:30 alex_a He should arrive soon 06:30 cait alex_a: was looking at a bug that blocks another series of bugs this morning 06:33 cait ok work time bbl 06:43 magnuse bonjour sophie_m et julian_m 06:43 julian_m hello magnuse 06:43 sophie_m hi magnuse :-) 06:47 magnuse yay! ;-) 06:52 reiveune hello 06:56 Oak Ahoy me hearties! 06:58 kf good morning #koha 06:58 sophie_m hello kf 07:00 kf hi sophie_m :) 07:08 gaetan_B hello :) 07:10 clrh hello too 07:16 francharb good morning #koha 07:19 kf hi francharb 07:19 kf hi clrh and gaetan_B :) 07:19 gaetan_B guten morgen kf :) 07:23 Joubu hi #koha 07:23 magnuse Oak 07:23 Oak magnuse 07:24 Oak good morning kf 07:24 Joubu kf: hi ! I rebased the patch for Bug 5357 ;) 07:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5357 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Subscription search and displays 07:28 rangi evening 07:30 kf hi Joubu and hi rangi 07:30 kf Joubu: cool :) 07:31 magnuse kia ora rangi 07:31 kf Joubu: I didn't want to mess it up :) 07:38 Joubu kf: there is no problem :) Thank you for your test 07:41 kf I am really interested to see a workflow for ordering serials 07:41 kf Amit did a patch, but some of the code between the subscription search and his patch is duplicated - maybe we could get a patch on top of the other? not sure what's best here 08:12 clrh Le mot de passe devra être composé de chiffre, lettre, majuscule, et 08:12 clrh oups 08:12 dgl-library Hi #koha 08:13 dgl-library Kia ora, bonjour, hola, namaste, konnichiwa… 08:14 kf hi dgl-library 08:14 dgl-library Hi kf 08:15 dgl-library I have a question about MARC 650 08:17 eythian hmm, next YAPC::EU is in Kiev. I wonder if I can convince work to send me to that... 08:21 eythian @later nengard manual huh, that's an unusual idea :) 08:21 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 08:22 eythian @later tell nengard manual huh, that's an unusual idea :) 08:22 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 08:24 rangi wahanui: ask? 08:24 wahanui no idea, rangi 08:25 * rangi is wondering if dgl-library is going to ask their question 08:26 kf eythian: you might be more successfull asking for yapc:na maybe :) 08:26 eythian Is it in Kiev? I don't think so! :) 08:26 eythian wahanui: ask is <reply>Don't ask to ask, just ask. 08:26 wahanui OK, eythian. 08:27 kf eythian: okok 08:31 kf oh 8665 08:31 kf bug 8665 08:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8665 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , DOM indexing fails to index some bib records 08:36 rangi i guess not 08:45 * eythian discovers Shell.pm, and the perl debugger. Useful talk this one. 08:46 eythian (mostly on how to make the debugger nice and usable as a REPL) 08:46 Oak oh well. 09:47 eythian dpavlin: good "Intro to Plack" talk on here 09:57 kf :) 10:04 koyauni hi everyone! 10:15 koyauni hi 10:49 drojf hi #koha 10:51 eythian hi drojf 10:51 drojf hey eythian 10:54 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:54 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 23.4°C (12:42 PM CEST on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 10:55 drojf eythian: still in frankfurt? 10:56 eythian drojf: yeah, heading back this evening 10:57 drojf where is "back" these days? konstanz? 11:06 kf drojf: yep :) 11:07 drojf hi kf :) 11:17 mtompset Greetings, kf. 11:17 mtompset Greetings, drojf 11:18 drojf hey mtompset 11:18 wahanui mtompset is trying to do a variety of projects in less than three months! 11:18 * mtompset grins, "Much more accurate now." 11:18 drojf heh 11:27 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 11:29 drojf hi jcamins 11:31 magnuse kia ora jcamins 11:36 mtompset Greetings, jcamins. 12:29 kf morning jcamins 12:30 jcamins Morning. 12:30 wahanui it has been said that morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 12:37 oleonard Hi #koha 12:40 drojf hey oleonard 12:40 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 12:41 kf hi oleonard 12:47 * oleonard would attend that convention 12:47 kf lol 12:47 jcamins lol 12:47 * jcamins too 12:47 kf aaw :) 12:48 jcamins oleonard: thoughts on moving the Javascript libraries outside of opac-tmpl as well? 12:49 jcamins Share one copy of YUI, jQuery, etc.? 12:49 oleonard jcamins: Are there no issues with the ways the various install methods handle paths with regard to the templates? 12:49 jcamins oleonard: good question. 12:50 oleonard jcamins: If it's feasible, I approve. 12:50 jcamins Ah, yes. 12:50 jcamins Doesn't work. 12:55 magnuse oh noes! 12:57 jcamins It would be possible with some changes to koha-httpd, but I think it's better to make the transition gradually. 12:57 jcamins I don't see any way to make the upgrade work. 12:57 jcamins (consistently) 12:58 druthb o/ 12:58 jcamins \o 12:59 oleonard --o-- 12:59 druthb ^.^ 13:03 kf @wunder Konstanz 13:03 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (3:00 PM CEST on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 13:03 druthb @wunder lawrence, ks 13:03 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 19.5°C (8:00 AM CDT on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 13:03 kf huginn is wrong :( 13:03 huginn kf: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 13:03 kf it's much warmer 13:03 kf @wunder Singen 13:03 huginn kf: The current temperature in Rheinau, Germany is 28.2°C (2:57 PM CEST on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 13:03 jcamins @wunder 11375 13:03 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 22.8°C (8:32 AM EDT on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 13:03 kf hm 13:03 oleonard @wunder 45701 13:03 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 13.9°C (8:30 AM EDT on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 13:04 * kf is melting 13:07 * drojf likes the air conditioning in his library 13:07 kf hmpf 13:07 drojf i think it's not even warm outside today 13:07 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 13:07 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.6°C (2:42 PM CEST on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 13:08 drojf ok seems to be getting warmer again 13:12 eythian @wunder frankfurt 13:12 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Frankfurt / M-Flughafen, Germany is 26.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 13:13 dgl-library Hi #koha … I wanted to ask a question before, but stuff came up. My question is about how Koha handles MARC 650… they become links in the OPAC, but they don't work the way I expected them to. 13:14 jcamins dgl-library: what are you seeing, and what did you expect? 13:15 dgl-library 650 ## - SUBJECT--TOPIC 13:15 dgl-library a Topical term or geographic name as entry element: Psychology 13:15 dgl-library x General subdivision: Books in German (Deutsch) 13:15 dgl-library This shows up as Psychology--Books in German (Deutsch) … but when I click on it, instead of getting only books tagged like that, I’m getting all Psychology books. 13:15 jcamins Ah. 13:15 jcamins Yeah, it does a keyword search on the subject. 13:15 jcamins ($a only) 13:15 dgl-library Hmm. I really love Koha, big fan, but that's counterintuitive. 13:16 jcamins You can change it by setting TraceAllSubfields. 13:16 dgl-library How? 13:16 jcamins That doesn't sound right. 13:16 jcamins It's called... 13:16 * jcamins checks 13:16 jcamins TraceSubjectSubdivisions. 13:16 jcamins It's a syspref. 13:17 dgl-library By setting that to True, I'll get the expected behavior? 13:17 jcamins You'll get something much closer. 13:17 dgl-library ¿? 13:17 dgl-library Will do it. Thanks. 13:18 tcohen hmm, latest patch for bug 8520 didn't make it into 3.8.4 13:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8520 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Authorities display incorrectly in staff results 13:19 jcamins tcohen: nope, it passed QA too late. It'll go into 3.8.5. 13:19 dgl-library jcamins: by the way, how does search work? will a search in quotation marks search for a specific phrase instead of using AND logic? 13:19 dgl-library sorry, OR logic 13:20 dgl-library (in OPAC) 13:20 jcamins No. 13:20 jcamins A search in quotes will search for something vaguely more phrase-like than a search without quotes. 13:20 jcamins However, the only way search is going to work well is if it's rewritten. 13:20 jcamins And, in fact, I have proposed rewriting search, and am currently looking for sponsors. 13:20 dgl-library the thing is that I'm finding that our search results are sometimes overly broad 13:21 dgl-library aha. 13:21 * jcamins hints that dgl-library could be a sponsor. :) 13:21 dgl-library how much would it cost to sponsor that? 13:22 jcamins dgl-library: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC 13:22 dgl-library *reading* 13:23 jcamins The *total* cost for a complete do-over of the search is $57k. I'll be able to get started at $9k, and starting at that point and every $6k or so thereafter we'll see a major jump in search functionality. 13:24 dgl-library Hmm, I'm afraid we're not a good candidate organization for the sponsorship you need… :-$ We chose Koha in part based on budgetary considerations. We're a small non-profit funded primarily by small donations from individuals. Wish we could help with that, though. 13:26 * slef mutters something about pledgebank.com again 13:26 jcamins So far I have numbers for $6500, and a bunch of "we'll get back to you with a number"s. 13:26 jcamins There's a thread on the mailing list, "Let's fix it together" that gives more information. 13:27 * jcamins mutters something about slef not mentioning pledgebank to him before. 13:28 * slef mutters something about jcamins should have read nengard's excellent write-up of his kohacon12 talk 13:28 slef I'll go look at that mainling list thread in a bit though 13:28 slef mailing 13:28 eythian mainlining 13:31 mtompset I like the thermometer on the C&P website. :) 13:32 jcamins mtompset: thanks. 13:33 mtompset Particularly the relating the sections to covered/partially covered/not covered. 13:33 mtompset It's a good graphic for clarity. 13:34 jcamins mtompset: it's ridiculously simple. 13:35 jcamins mtompset: of course, the simplicity didn't make it easy to figure out. 13:36 mtompset People should use their brains a little when looking at a graphic. ;) 13:37 mtompset I saw "58%" (or whatever the number was), and then realized that 58% for that tiny piece. 13:37 jcamins Yep. 13:37 mtompset was for... 13:37 jcamins The legend has the overall percentage. 13:39 gmcharlt @quote random 13:39 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009) 13:42 mtompset So would a Fire Weasel be a dev_hyperspace rift opening an spewing vast amounts of unformatted data at you? 13:42 mtompset ^an^and^ 13:43 druthb @quote random 13:43 huginn druthb: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009) 13:43 druthb puh. 13:43 druthb @quote random 13:43 huginn druthb: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009) 13:44 mtompset @quote random 13:44 huginn mtompset: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010) 13:44 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 13:44 gmcharlt @quote add mtompset> So would a Fire Weasel be a dev_hyperspace rift opening and spewing vast amounts of unformatted data at you? 13:44 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #215 added. 13:44 mtompset one of them? 13:44 wahanui it has been said that one of them is bound to have a good idea ;) 13:45 druthb wahanui: gmcharlt? 13:45 wahanui i think gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. 13:45 * druthb nods. 13:45 mtompset druthb? 13:45 wahanui druthb is probably a migration specialist and great friend or crazy as a loon. 13:46 * tcohen deploying 3.8.4+ right now 13:46 gmcharlt the first implies the third, at times ;) 13:46 druthb definitely that last part. 13:46 * druthb hasn't always been a migration specialist, but has always been crazy as a loon. 13:47 mtompset Why are loons considered crazy? And is crazy such a bad thing? 13:47 * druthb had to get certified as crazy, to reach an important goal, about two years ago. She's got all the letters n stuff to prove she's nuts. 13:47 mtompset tcohen: 32 or 64 bit? 13:50 libsysguy @later tell oleonard I think the trick to the ajax problem was to set the dataType to JSON 13:50 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded. 13:50 tcohen mtompset: we've always been 64bits (2008 to date) 13:50 mtompset let me know how it goes... I have yet to do a 64-bit install. I'm assuming you are using Ubuntu? 13:51 tcohen yes, we use Ubuntu in our infrastructure 13:51 tcohen mtompset, about the i386 thing 13:51 tcohen we've talked about that 13:51 tcohen it had to do with libyaz3 in ubuntu.packages 13:52 mtompset Ah yes... it should be libyaz4. 13:52 mtompset I was going to follow up. 13:52 tcohen with your fixed packages files (lucid / precise) it works as expected 13:52 tcohen i've set two PVM (10.04 and 12.04 each) to test your files 13:52 mtompset Unfortunately, they aren't in 3.8.4 13:53 mtompset I noticed that today. 14:02 kf yeah, marc 14:02 jcamins kf: having fun with GND? 14:03 kf yeah 14:03 kf that and writing presentations in english for next week 14:03 kf ... 14:24 dgl-library Bye for now #koha 14:27 mtompset Greetings, oleonard 14:34 mib_7vh7ub hello 14:36 WilliamCarlin Hello again 14:48 gaetan_B bye ! 14:53 Brooke o/ 14:54 * kf waves 14:54 koyauni Hi everyone 14:55 Brooke howdy 14:55 wahanui hi, Brooke 14:56 koyauni sorry anyone here familiar with Debian and Plesk Panel 14:59 kf hi margo 14:59 margo hey 15:00 slef koyauni: I've seen Plesk. Generally a bad idea IMO. Could you get a nicer panel? 15:01 kf be careful closing tabs :) 15:01 slef kohacon13 meeting in a mo? 15:01 Brooke here's hoping 15:01 kf yeah I think so 15:01 Brooke ta da 15:01 kf there she is :) 15:01 kf hi, brb, only running to the printer 15:01 maximep good catch oleonard on the jquery version for my patch. It seems since 1.6.1 attr checked returns "checked" instead of "true". I will change it to .is(":checked") that should work in all version and is easier to read 15:01 maximep oleonard++ 15:01 NancyK Hi everyone. 15:01 Brooke howdy 15:01 wahanui hey, Brooke 15:02 koyauni well it is a dedicated server and it comes with that. I have installed Koha but have problem to get connect the actual domain to find virtual domain in Appache 15:02 Brooke lemme rev this up then 15:02 Brooke #startmeeting 15:02 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 15:02 huginn Meeting started Wed Aug 22 15:00:12 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:02 Brooke #info your introductions so they go in whatever minutes are produced :) 15:02 NancyK We have our KohaCon planning this morning 15:03 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions 15:03 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 15:03 NancyK Nancy Keener Washoe county Library System 15:03 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Eastern England (kohacon12 hosts) 15:03 Bruce #info Bruce Metcalf, Augustan Society Library, Orlando, Florida. 15:03 margo #Margo Duncan, UT Tyler Library, Texas 15:03 kf NancyK: if you use #info it will show up in the meeting logs - it's a little tool to create minutes for us 15:03 margo ack, 10am here, not quite typing right 15:04 margo #info Margo Duncan UT Tyler Library, Texas 15:04 John John Crockett, Washoe County Library System, Reno, Nevada 15:05 Brooke if there's an agenda for this someplace, Nancy, feel free to #link to it 15:05 NancyK How do I use #info? 15:05 NancyK Oh #info i see 15:06 kf you just start the line with it #info something something 15:06 slef NancyK: just type it at the start of the line that you want to appear in the minutes 15:06 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Koha hobbyist, lurking 15:06 slef kf: snap 15:06 Joubu good bye all ! 15:06 LBA #info Lori Ayre, The Galecia Group is here for the meeting! 15:07 NancyK #info No agenda, I just want to get a consensus on number of days for the conference to get us started 15:07 kf :) 15:07 Brooke #topic How Many Days Do We Want Conference 15:07 kf I thought 3 days were pretty nice in Edinburgh 15:08 NancyK #info It was suggested we do 3 days conference, 1 day for a trip, and 3 days hackfest. 15:08 Bruce I thought Edinburgh was 3-1-3? 15:08 kf personally I think the hackfest was over too soon... but probably not really a problem of days :) 15:08 kf Bruce: 3 days conf - 1 day break - 3 days hackfest 15:09 kf conference with presentations, more official 15:09 NancyK #info Anyone have a different idea? 15:09 kf hackfest more developer oriented, some technical presentations, lots of hacking and testing 15:09 Bruce 3-1-3 sounds like a good approach, especially if there's room for add-ons at either end. 15:09 slef kf: oh sure, we could just work like that forever, but room hire budget and customers will get empty and upset - or the other way round! 15:09 kf on the day between we went to see the city... it was bad weather, but we can't blame slef for that :) 15:09 drojf i do 15:09 kf blame slef? 15:10 drojf sure :P 15:10 kf there were some activities suggested for the day in between, like going fishing, but that didn't work out sadly 15:10 Brooke we can blame slef for anything at all. I do it all the time. ;) 15:10 kf not enough participants 15:10 Bruce Perhaps we can try to organize smaller events for the break day. 15:10 NancyK #info I plan on getting bids from local hotels, so I probably need a definite number of days. 15:11 Brooke did anyone disagree with 3-1-3 or have another approach? 15:11 Bruce One thing that may have a major impact on hotel cost is whether we span a weekend or not. 15:11 kf I think people didn't mind to stay for the hackfest on the weekend 15:11 drojf hard to have no weekend with 3-1-3 15:11 kf not sure how that is in US 15:11 Bruce That higher weekend cost may itself argue against a 7-day span. 15:11 slef hey, slef was up the volcano, in a gale, in the clouds... I wanted good weather too! 15:11 kf maybe have the main conf in the week? 15:12 margo i like the idea of main conf during the week 15:12 NancyK #info I am planning on having the hotel of our choice whip something up. We can also put up a lot of links for people to explore on their own 15:12 Bruce But weekend costs differ by city, and I don't know Reno. 15:12 Brooke I'd advise a Tuesday or Wednesday start since it's usually not terrible on travel costs 15:12 Todd Reno is always running specials at casinos. 15:12 kf lots of people will only want to attend the main part I guess 15:12 slef 7-day stays also trigger special rates in some cities... I leave it to local knowledge 15:13 Bruce Specials yes, but not often 7-night specials. 15:13 kf while people travelling from far away and people intersted in developing might stay for the hackfest 15:13 Todd Remember that LAke Tahoe is just minutes away so staying the weekewnd wou.,d be nice for many of you who can 15:13 kf I wouldn't plan for a shorter thing I think 15:13 NancyK #info What if weh start on a Wednesday -Fri for the conference, and the day off on a Saturday, and then hackfest Sun thru Tuesday? 15:13 Brooke it's entirely possible to split locations so that hackfest is near to conference but not in the same building in case folks never went to conference 15:14 kf NancyK: I think that could work 15:14 Bruce We may be able to find a university space with good connectivity for the hackfest. 15:14 kf Bruce: sounds nice :) 15:14 Brooke sounds good nancy and bruce 15:14 slef NancyK: you know your town best and have to live with any constraints, so your call IMO, but sounds OK to me. 15:14 kf I think internet, tables, chairs... not much more needed :) 15:14 Todd We have goods connectivity at LIbraries with public wireless 15:14 Bruce Saturday may not be the best day for the day off--more crowded at many venues. 15:15 kf maybe friday? 15:15 LBA I agree with Bruce. Too busy on Saturday to make that your one day off. 15:15 kf slef: was it friday in edinburgh? 15:15 Bruce Library wireless is unlikely to be able to handle the hammering the network would get from a major hackfest. 15:15 slef kf: yes. 15:15 NancyK #info UNR is just up the street a few blocks from the main downtown hotels. We also have a Junior college, my sister works there.;) 15:15 Todd Bruce are you from around Reno / Lake Tahoe? 15:15 slef kf: Thursday in Wellington IIRC 15:16 Bruce Jr. colleges are often easier to work with on such matters, but talk to the head librarians at both for an in. 15:16 slef kf: It would have been Thursday in edinburgh but it was a holiday week. 15:16 Bruce I am presently from Orlando, but have spent a lot of time in Portola. 15:16 * slef looks up Portola 15:16 Bruce I've also run conventions all over the US & Canada. 15:16 slef Portola, a 1998 album by Rose Melberg 15:16 Bruce Portola's just over the hill in California, an easy drive from Reno. 15:16 NancyK #info About how many can we expect for hackfest? 15:16 LBA Besides, gambling, there's lots of wonderful trails for hiking and mountain biking. Much nicer when fewer people around. 15:17 kf hm 15:17 kf slef? 15:17 wahanui i guess slef is probably busy so please use http://www.software.coop/contact/ if you need him for work 15:17 Bruce I was planning on organizing a trip to the Portola Railway Museum. Anybody want to drive a locomotive? 15:17 Brooke some of us are most definitely not big gambling fans ;) 15:18 slef NancyK: I'd guess 65-70% of conference, or 55 people, depending on conference numbers. 15:18 LBA I'll bet some are....:) 15:18 * slef rethinks 15:18 NancyK #info We can also go to Virginia City (wild west) 15:18 slef 4 tables of 8, plus some floaters... maybe more like 40-50 15:18 Todd POrtaola is a very easy drive about 45 minutes 15:19 slef that's my memory of kohacon12... there might be better notes somewhere but I'm mid-relocation 15:19 kf I think in US maybe more supported libraries attending the main conf 15:19 Brooke so backtracking a bit, can we get a proper vote on 3-1-3? +1? 15:19 kf so the % might be a big off 15:19 kf a bit off 15:19 druthb +1 15:19 Bruce Yes, "+1?" 15:19 slef Bruce: not bothered about driving, but happy to visit + ride on old trains. LBA's mountain-biking idea would also be good. 15:19 Todd +1 for an extra day off? 15:19 slef +1 to 3-1-3 15:19 wahanui -3 15:20 slef wahanui: you stay out of this! 15:20 wahanui slef: what? 15:20 kf +1 for 3-1-3 15:20 margo brooke, can you remind us how to vote, for those that don't hang out here 15:20 kf :) if our hosts are ok with it 15:20 Brooke +1 is a vote for 15:20 drojf +1 (3-1-3) 15:20 Bruce +1 for 3-1-3 15:20 margo +1 (3-1-3) 15:20 slef wahanui: apache voting? 15:20 wahanui slef: i haven't a clue 15:20 slef wahanui: voting? 15:20 wahanui i think voting is broken https://landfill.bugzilla.org/bugzilla_l10n/page.cgi?id=release-notes.html#v40_feat_vot_ext 15:21 Bruce But I'm willing to reconsider my vote once we get pricing back from the hotels. 15:21 kf makes sense 15:21 Brooke #agreed 3 Day Conference, 1 Day off, 3 Day Hackfest 15:21 slef apache voting is described at http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html if you've not seen it before (many haven't) 15:21 Brooke I think everyone is willing to do so if there's a wide gap 15:21 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions 15:22 Brooke #topic Roadtrip Locations 15:22 slef oh sure... practicalities can override everything, as kohacon12 showed ;) 15:22 Bruce One feature of Reno hotels I learned last time I booked a conference there -- the price of rooms facing the RR tracks is markedly lower than the price of rooms facing away. 15:23 Bruce Check that any bids specify the side of the hotel for the rooms. 15:23 Todd You go Bruce 15:23 Brooke while we're checking bids, ensure that whatever the hotel bids is less than hotels.com and expedia, plox 15:23 Todd THe rail runs under the city now 15:23 Bruce I was booking a railroad conference, so we *wanted* the noisy rooms by the tracks; us, maybe not. 15:23 Todd hahahaha 15:23 NancyK #info the train goes underground on Virginia Street 15:23 Bruce Okay, been a few years. 15:24 kf NancyK: wifi would be nice for the conf - not sure if that can be included in a deal 15:24 Todd noisy...maybe not. 15:24 kf and not sure how it works in the US in hotels 15:24 Brooke kf: most american hotels have free wifi 15:24 Brooke even the crappy ones like Red Roof 15:24 Bruce I think many of us will require Internet access in our rooms. I'm a solo librarian, and have to stay in touch. 15:24 slef Brooke: like to tell Marriott that? :-/ 15:24 NancyK #info We are going to insist on wifi, and whatever else we can get. theyare looking for business. 15:25 slef $14.95/day :-/ 15:25 LBA I vote we avoid Marriotts...for numerous reasons. 15:25 NancyK #info maybe not quite that good 15:25 Bruce Don't look just at raw room cost, or even room+wifi. You also need to consider the cost of meeting space. Often, with enough room nights, the space can be free. 15:26 Brooke meh, toss all of the venues into a cage and let em duke it out. It is Vegas Jr. 15:26 slef let them bid... Marriotts and Hyatts have problems IMO, though. 15:26 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions 15:26 Todd Grand Sierra Resort is always willing to deal 15:26 NancyK #info We might have a library branch with good wireless for hackfest 15:26 kf NancyK++ :) 15:26 Bruce Note: Good wireless <> big Internet pipeline. 15:27 Brooke we like visiting Libraries. 15:27 Todd Also we have Harrahs in the middle of downtown among others 15:27 talljoy libraries good. 15:27 * Brooke is going back to eNZed for the Te Takere opening. :) 15:27 talljoy casino libraries? 15:27 * talljoy gets her nerd on 15:27 Todd casinos and libraries...cats and dogs 15:28 NancyK #info we may end up as casino libraries if we keep losing budget. 15:28 Bruce It may be prudent for us to bring our own server to the Hackfest. Low latency, and low impact on our host's Internet service. 15:28 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions 15:28 JoeLib001 Hello. :-) 15:28 Brooke howdy 15:28 wahanui hola, Brooke 15:28 Todd our public library pipe is 75 down and 10 up 15:29 JoeLib001 Is the 3.8.4 debian package patch out yet? 15:29 JoeLib001 I seem to be having issues finding it at the link provided. 15:29 Todd squirrel 15:30 libsysguy hey JoeLib001 there is a meeting going on atm 15:30 libsysguy you may want to come back in a bit 15:30 JoeLib001 Oh, sorry. :-) 15:30 Brooke it's no problem mate 15:30 Brooke okay, so the basic skeleton is sorted 15:30 NancyK #info So did we vote for 3-1-3? 15:30 Brooke and we had a small roadtrip discussion 15:31 kf JoeLib001: it was only released yesterday - I think eythian will do it as soon as he can (packages) 15:31 Brooke yep, that's why I #agreed it 15:31 NancyK #info Any other discussion for now on Koha con 13? 15:31 Bruce I assume program discussions will be taken up later? 15:32 NancyK #info Yes 15:32 kf we can't wait for next kohacon :) 15:32 Bruce What are the range of dates we'll consider? The whole month of October, with no overlap? 15:32 kf it's always too long between seeing all the koha people 15:32 Brooke kf++ 15:32 talljoy kohacon++ 15:32 libsysguy I think i can go to this one!! 15:33 NancyK to work then on the hotel proposals. I am using the first week in Oct. 15:33 Bruce Offering more weeks will give us more flexibility, especially given the short notice (for convention space). 15:34 NancyK ok 15:34 koyauni anyone can help with getting Plesk to find the installed Koha application, please 15:34 Bruce I suggest we let them bid on all four weeks in October, and see what we get. 15:34 NancyK will do 15:34 Todd good idea bruce 15:34 Brooke it's more than a year of notice Bruce 15:34 Bruce Yes. Most conventions book five years out. 15:34 * druthb makes a note to pack her poking stick^W^Wcane, since libsysguy will be at KohaCon13. 15:35 * talljoy will bring the trout 15:35 libsysguy old lady cane druthb :p 15:35 kf shouldn't you be nicer to your youngest coworker? 15:35 talljoy just trying to train him up right! ;-) 15:35 * Bruce supposes he should bring a hankie to put on his head. 15:35 * druthb cackles, and yells "get off my lawn!" 15:36 slef druthb: http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2012-08-21/ 15:36 kf NancyK: now they got all distracted :) 15:36 kf maybe end the meeting? 15:36 druthb self++ 15:36 NancyK yes, how do I do that? 15:36 koyauni it sounds that I need a vhosts.conf file but what should be written in there, 15:36 kf say it and Brooke will do it - or type #endmeeting I think 15:36 Brooke we all done? How about setting a time and date for the next meeting? 15:37 Bruce Or should we just let Nancy call one once she hears back from some hotels? 15:37 kf sounds good 15:37 talljoy either way 15:37 wahanui either way is workable though imho 15:37 druthb shut up, wahanui. 15:37 talljoy thanks wahanui 15:37 wahanui druthb: i'm not following you... 15:37 NancyK I liike Bruce's suggestion 15:38 * druthb gets out her sharpened pool cue, and goes after wahanui. 15:38 NancyK #end meeting 15:38 Brooke #endmeeting 15:38 huginn Meeting ended Wed Aug 22 15:36:23 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:38 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-22-15.00.html 15:38 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-22-15.00.txt 15:38 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-22-15.00.log.html 15:38 Todd I wanna party with you guys 15:38 talljoy w00t! 15:38 Brooke Todd: be careful what you wish for buddy 15:39 Brooke <---- Waters down Whiskey with Gin. 15:39 kf we are quite crazy people :) 15:39 Bruce I suppose I had best go put my name on the wiki. 15:39 kf NancyK: let us know if we can help with something 15:39 Bruce Do I need a password for that? 15:39 slef koyauni: try copying what is in koha-httpd.conf and putting it into the vhost.conf but I don't remember getting koha working with Plesk. They fight I think. 15:39 Todd You know my wish now...:D 15:39 slef Bruce: if wiki.koha-community.org, registration required sadly, yes 15:40 Bruce Will do. 15:40 slef Bruce: spammers-- 15:40 libsysguy JoeLib001: you're free to ask away now :D 15:40 Todd What?? Waters down Whiskey w Gin...bring it on!! 15:40 slef Bruce: ask around here if you hit any problems 15:40 Bruce Will do, slef, thanks. 15:42 Bruce Cheers! 15:43 koyauni self: where do I find the koha-httpd.conf on Debian 15:44 Brooke halfhourish meeting isn't so bad 15:44 Brooke to DuPont nahahahahaha 15:46 slef koyauni: if you installed from packages, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ or if you installed from tar.gz, /etc/koha 15:57 koyauni was package, and did find only my instantname file library, I do not see any library-httpd.conf 15:57 koyauni still does not work http://library.koyauniversity.org/ 16:08 slef koyauni: basically, Plesk interferes with the usual debian management of the webserver; and the packages interface with usual debian management. You probably need to ask Plesk support how to configure web apps to work with it. 16:08 slef koyauni: someone sold you Plesk, so now they can pay to support it, instead of me ;-) 16:09 koyauni <self> someone has asked this questiopn and answer #8 mention that but does not tell you what to put in there :( http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=111215 16:10 koyauni does koha has a forum so people can answer each other 16:11 koyauni I also asked the tread is old and I am not sure if that person will come back and answer 16:11 drojf koyauni: there is a mailing list for koha. although it looks like you rather need a plesk list than a koha list 16:13 drojf do i have to restart apache or something if i want to put my own xslt stylesheet in XSLTDetailsDisplay ? it does not seem to make any difference what i enter there 16:14 drojf in koha 3.8.3 that is 16:20 francharb have a good day #koha 16:50 slef @query suggestion basket number 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7593 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , merging bib records loses connection to order line 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, laurence.lefaucheur, Needs Signoff , Batch modifications for Biblios 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Localization for Perl scripts and modules 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5680 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , When deleting an order, delete attached items, and if applicable biblio 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5473 normal, P2, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Stable , 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions 16:50 slef huginn: no good 16:50 huginn slef: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 16:50 slef @query basket number 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7627 major, P1 - high, ---, henridamien, NEW , Editing of saved invoice 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6730 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , basket number should show the number entered by the library 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7573 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Show basket number linked on fund search 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7593 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , merging bib records loses connection to order line 16:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7659 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , "Import all" for a staged file doesn't check for duplicates 16:52 mtompset self: @query basket case (having to sort through these results)? 16:53 slef mtompset: threw it back on list instead 16:54 mtompset What is RDA? 16:54 wahanui i think RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards 16:55 mtompset Now remembers asking that before. DOH! 16:55 slef Resource Description and Access, the title of the third revision of the Anglo-American Cataloguing Rules, a library cataloguing standard used to support the discovery, identification and employment of information resources 16:55 wajasu xyzzy 16:56 mtompset Now the description wahanui makes sense. :) 16:56 slef sygyzy? 16:56 slef Caledonian Antisyzygy? 16:58 wajasu i'm playing with making message_queue's content oclumn varbinary instead of test, so we can store unicode/utf8 without it chopping off the rest of the text for overdue notices. 16:59 wajasu test/text 16:59 mtompset I frequently make that typo. test/html. ;) 17:02 wajasu now to set up an MTA in my debian to test email. 17:02 drojf could you setup mine too? 17:04 wajasu i've only done postfix (mail out) 17:05 drojf i can live with that ;) 17:05 wajasu are you on debian? 17:05 drojf yes 17:05 mtompset no, but I'm listening in anyways. ;) 17:07 wajasu what i will do is work on mine. then i'll keep the parts that need customizing, and paste it for you later for your own reference. i have to get lunch now, but will work on it when i get back. 17:07 drojf cool! 17:08 drojf and i think i found my xsl problem too 17:10 slef drojf: ooh wht was? 17:10 mtompset xsl problem? 17:12 drojf severe case of d'oh and tired brain. i kept changing the staff client xsl settings and looked at the opac for changes in the layout 17:12 slef mtompset: see drojf at 17:11 17:12 slef or an hour ago basically 17:12 slef drojf: oh yeah, we have days like that 17:12 mtompset And hour ago... Okay... scrolling back. 17:12 drojf but once you find it and know you are not crazy… i like that feeling ;) 17:12 maximep is it me or 3.8.4 has "our $VERSION = '3.08.03.000';" in kohaversion.pl ? 17:13 slef maximep: check on gitweb? 17:13 mtompset gitweb? 17:13 wahanui gitweb is up 17:13 mtompset where is gitweb? 17:13 wahanui well, gitweb is up 17:13 maximep http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=kohaversion.pl;h=ebe27d3ec5280c6c66635c8c9461aa1afd94bf38;hb=4446e9b21e4d64ad764f12394efda23777f26424 17:13 maximep right ? 17:14 * cait waves 17:14 mtj maximep, yeah, its a typo, i think 17:15 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:15 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 28.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 17:18 slef mtj: that's polite ;) 17:20 JoeLib001 I take it the meeting is over? 17:21 JoeLib001 Ah, yeah. hehe. :-) 17:26 rangi maximep: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb315f447ed1acf02c8c0f965acb0fd21ee91699 17:26 rangi its right in the tarball 17:28 mtompset Greetings, cait. 17:29 mtompset Greetings, rangi 17:29 cait hi rangi hi mtompset 17:30 mtompset Yes, JoeLib001. You missed the meeting regarding the KohaCon13 (I think that was the meeting, right?) 17:31 JoeLib001 Ah, no I interrupted it with a quetion. ;-) 'cause I didn't know it was going on. 17:31 JoeLib001 Someone messaged me though. :-) 17:32 maximep rangi: hmmm. coult it be it was done after the creation of the git tag ? 17:33 rangi yep 17:34 maximep ah ok. Well I will just point directly to the commit instead of the tag. No problems =) 17:35 drojf hi rangi 17:39 slef list admins? 17:40 slef there's a subscriber bouncing messily - I think they might be @mail2world.com 17:40 slef can someone nomail them, please? 17:42 slef emailed 18:06 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Using Authorized Values in MARC Frameworks in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/mO1KRIQt #kohails" 18:31 oleonard The needs signoff list is back up to 66? It was down to 57 yesterday! 18:39 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Using Authorized Values in MARC Frameworks in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/ub43XVqt" 19:05 mtompset Hey, 9 more isn't so bad. Glad to hear it dropped to 57. 19:15 oleonard congratulations to cait for knocking kados into the #3 spot: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 19:23 cait lol 19:23 cait my pleasure 19:24 maximep i'm almost in the top 50! :D 19:24 * oleonard should start using more and bigger words, gotta keep up with the competition. Purple monkey dishwasher. 19:24 cait lol 19:24 druthb antidisestablishmentarianism. 19:27 rangi Morning again 19:28 cait morning 19:30 rangi Oleonard: they are pretty much all from failed qa back to needs signoff 19:30 * cait mutters something about the dashboard being mean because if you fail something you get no points 19:31 rangi Hmm should I read the 3.8.4 thread? Or am I being blamed for releasing versions again? 19:31 drojf cait: been there ;) 19:32 rangi Cait: send a patch :-P 19:33 cait no, because that gives no point on the dashboard! 19:33 cait :P 19:34 rangi I'm gonna write a patch -1 for every complaint ! 19:35 cait hmpf 19:35 drojf lol 19:35 * cait sends apologizing cookies 19:36 drojf wow, there are cookies for everything 19:36 rangi Hehe 19:36 cait of course there are 19:37 cait haven't you learned that important lesson of life yet? 19:37 drojf i begin to understand. when is this KohaCait taking place i heard of? 19:38 druthb ! 19:38 rangi Hmm how did the meeting go? 19:38 cait it went well I think 19:39 cait only suggestion was 3+1+3 19:39 cait and we voted for that :) 19:39 rangi Yay 19:39 cait NancyK wanted to get offers from the hotels next 19:39 cait and maybe hackfest in a library :) 19:39 rangi It's served us well the last 3 years 19:39 rangi Cool 19:40 rangi We should set up local mirrors for git 19:40 cait drojf: the workshop is next week ;) 19:40 rangi In the library that way upstream bandwidth is not an issue 19:40 drojf i might go there last minute just for fun :P 19:41 drojf i could be a surprise speaker or something ;) 19:41 cait we have one space left right now 19:42 rangi Hmm eythian is on his way back to konstanz now? 19:42 cait I think so 19:42 cait haven't heard much from him today 19:42 rangi drojf: take ur raspberry pi 19:43 drojf ha! great idea :) 19:43 drojf my battery is in the mail. i think i have most parts for self sustaining koha in a box then 19:44 drojf well, the sun is probably not enough here but i can't change that 19:45 cait drojf: wind energy? 19:46 drojf too expensive to catch/ too crazy to build 19:47 cait ooh 19:47 cait rangi: can I get some homework? :) 19:48 rangi Any of the ones that just changed back to needs signoff are good to test again 19:48 cait k 19:49 rangi Hmm and 5327 does that have any? 19:49 cait oleonard: oh, you still want me to test the inactive funds? 19:49 cait bug 5327 19:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, bart.tj, Passed QA , Unit tests required for all C4 modules 19:49 oleonard No we got it figured out cait 19:49 cait ok 19:49 oleonard Thanks 19:50 rangi Any @catalyst ones I can't signoff so those are good too 19:52 rangi Thanks signofferers 19:53 rangi Ok my stop bbiab 19:58 drojf wow we are still down to 65 "needs signoff"? that's cool! 20:02 rangi it was 56 when i went to sleep :) 20:02 drojf i wish i had more koha playtime 20:04 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Kenya Poly now Live with Koha 3.8.2 http://t.co/jrwUIqBP #kohails" 20:09 rangi can anyone remember the name of the guy from zambia at kohacon12? 20:11 cait hm 20:11 cait isn't it on the list of participants? 20:11 rangi maybe? 20:11 cait hi kathryn 20:11 rangi wheres that? 20:11 wahanui well, that is pulled from the fields 20:11 cait rangi: I have the printed one at work - but you need it now I guess? 20:11 * cait tries to summon slef 20:11 rangi :) 20:14 koyauni hi 20:14 wahanui hello, koyauni 20:16 kathryn hiya cait :) 20:17 koyauni anyone in mode to help me solve an issue with Koha on Debian 6+ running Plesk 11, please 20:17 koyauni I have post to Plesk but no one seams to asnwer 20:19 rangi koyauni: unfortunately no one here has ever used plesk 20:23 koyauni I think Plesk does not do anything here, I just need to get the virtual domain created in koha to join with domain created in Plesk, this guys mentiond some and I have collected here working on it but not sure if I do it right please see 20:24 koyauni http://kl1p.com/koyauni 20:25 rangi i have no idea, ive never used plesk, with standard debian, you don't need to do any of that stuff 20:26 rangi koyauni: what is the ip of your server that koha is running on? 20:26 rangi and what is the url 20:26 wahanui the url is probably horrid :) 20:27 * oleonard hushes wahanui 20:30 koyauni here it is 88.198.51.202, but this is shared IP and my main domain is koyauniversity.org koha is should point to library.koyauniversity.org 20:31 rangi on the command line of server 20:31 rangi can you type 20:31 rangi dig library.koyauniversity.org 20:31 cait interesting, our z3950servers table in the database has a column for an icon 20:31 rangi and also go to paste.koha-community.org 20:32 rangi and paste in the entirity of the file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library 20:32 rangi please 20:32 oleonard Bye #koha, see you tomorrow 20:32 drojf cait: icon for the z39.50 server? 20:33 drojf bye oleonard 20:34 rangi libsysguy: http://soundcloud.com/gramatik/dont-let-me-down-remix 20:35 cait drojf: seems so :) I doubt there is code backing that column 20:35 koyauni I did what sort of info need from the out put 20:35 libsysguy taking it back rangi? 20:35 koyauni yes 20:35 drojf cait: we should have some :) 20:35 rangi koyauni: what is the ip number it gives you with that command? 20:36 koyauni rangi, please see it at the bottom here http://kl1p.com/koyauni 20:38 rangi that doesnt look like the output of the dig command to me 20:39 rangi nor is it the entirity of the file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library 20:39 rangi i am trying to help, but I can't really without your help 20:39 koyauni I have just added the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library at http://kl1p.com/koyauni 20:40 rangi cool 20:40 koyauni that was the dig I ran 20:40 rangi hmm you typoed 20:40 koyauni many thanks for the help 20:40 rangi dig library.kkoyauniversity.org 20:40 rangi you need 20:40 koyauni ok lets try agin 20:40 rangi dig library.koyauniversity.org 20:41 koyauni replaced it please look now 20:41 rangi and then please try replacing 20:42 rangi <VirtualHost *:80> 20:42 rangi with 20:42 rangi <VirtualHost 88.198.51.202:80> 20:42 rangi then 20:42 rangi apache2ctl restart 20:42 koyauni ok, let me do that please 20:43 rangi if that doesnt work, then its definitely something to do with plesk and im out of ideas 20:50 koyauni It did not, still showing default page http://library.koyauniversity.org/ 20:51 koyauni I think somehow it should be some sort of shortcut of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library in the subdomain directory that pointing to koha 20:51 rangi yep then its a plesk thing, you have to do something in plesk, it doesnt work the way normal apache2 on debian works, sorry I have no more ideas 20:51 drojf Please login to https://library.koyauniversity.org:8443 to receive instructions on setting up your website 20:52 koyauni I am logged in to the panel 20:53 drojf that's what it says on your website. sorry if i was stating the obvious, i don't know plesk 20:55 koyauni thanks you for trying to help guys! 21:00 rangi bug 6945 .. for an easy signoff 21:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6945 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view 21:03 koyauni I put this on Plesk forum let see if anyone can help http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?p=636848#post636848 21:03 drojf koyauni: wild guess regarding the htaccess file: did you enable mod_rewrite? 21:04 koyauni I did put a .htaccess but I got error 500 21:04 koyauni how do I check mod_rewrite is enabled 21:04 drojf koyauni: yes, i think it need the apache module rewrite. did you enable this module? 21:05 drojf you can enable it usingf 21:05 drojf oops 21:05 drojf using sudo a2enmod rewrite 21:07 koyauni root@koyauniversity ~ # a2enmod rewrite Module rewrite already enabled 21:07 rangi maximep: fixed the tag 21:07 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.8.x 21:08 drojf koyauni: ok, was worth a try 21:09 koyauni rangi, that is already been enabled 21:09 koyauni :) 21:10 koyauni is this correct to be added to .htaccess file 21:10 koyauni <IfModule mod_rewrite.c> RewriteEngine on RewriteBase / RewriteRule ^$ opac/htdocs/ [L] RewriteRule (.*) opac/htdocs/$1 [L] </IfModule> 21:10 koyauni it is in mid page here http://kl1p.com/koyauni 21:10 rangi no you dont need a .htaccess file with koha 21:11 maximep rangi++ 21:11 maximep thanks 21:11 koyauni no that goes in the subdomain folder to point it to the koha site I guess 21:11 rangi i cant really help, because this is all to do with how this server is set up with plesk 21:11 koyauni well I wrote to them lte see if I get any response 21:11 rangi koyauni: no, not for normal koha, you dont need a .htaccess file at all with that 21:13 rangi any more suggestions we give you are just random, because plesk is doing something, to show that site is unconfigured page, and we know nothing about plesk 21:20 rangi @wunder nzwn 21:20 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on August 23, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 21:21 rangi not even ow 21:23 rangi http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=not%20even%20ow%21 21:28 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@haikugirlOz @ChristineBusby @arwenamin and the best bit is, she can continue using #kohails (i might be biased)" 21:32 cait gnah. 21:32 rangi cait++ #good testing 21:32 rangi gnah? 21:32 cait I found 7 annoying bugs testing one litte problem. 21:32 cait that was a sound of unhappiness and frustration. 21:32 cait I mean... 7! 21:33 rangi heh 21:34 rangi hey trea 21:34 trea rangi, hi 21:35 wajasu meh 21:35 rangi wajasu: for the record, i think you are on the wrong track converting columns to varbinary, we store unicode just fine everywhere else :) 21:36 * rangi hopes you moved on from that theory 21:36 rangi trea: how's things? 21:37 trea moving along - fun with SIP 21:37 rangi ah yep 21:37 rangi another standard that isnt 21:37 trea ikr 21:43 koyauni rangi: read what Plesk says here http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?p=636853&posted=1#post636853 21:44 koyauni very classic :) 21:44 koyauni that is the answer to my post 21:46 rangi :) 21:46 rangi good answer 21:46 rangi (your answer) 21:51 rangi libsysguy: http://soundcloud.com/madeon/madeon-finale 21:54 libsysguy I already like this one much better :p 21:54 rangi how can you not like the beatles? sheesh 21:54 libsysguy im a hater, what can I say 21:55 rangi http://soundcloud.com/featurecast/public-enemy-harder-than-you 21:56 libsysguy haha now this is more my style 22:14 ala_3vo Hello #koha 22:15 rangi hi ala_3vo 22:16 ala_3vo Hi rangi: I'm trying to set up the z39.50 server. Can you help? 22:17 rangi hmm set up in what way, to listen on a public ip and port? 22:18 ala_3vo Our cataloging section tried to do cataloging with z39.50 search but it has no link. 22:18 rangi oh, so not the server 22:19 rangi you want to set up some targets to do a z3950 search of ? 22:19 ala_3vo I'm not sure, this is new for me. 22:19 rangi from what you said, it sounds like that 22:19 rangi what version of koha? 22:19 ala_3vo 3.8 22:20 rangi http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/additionaladmin.html#z3950admin 22:23 ala_3vo I read something on editing the koha-conf.xml. Will this work? 22:23 rangi no 22:23 rangi thats for the server 22:23 rangi thats so other people can search your catalogue 22:24 ala_3vo okay, its clear 22:24 rangi cool 22:25 ala_3vo I'll try looking into the link you gave. 22:39 mtj opac carousel, with book-covers from a flickr group -> http://head.kohaaloha.com/ 22:39 rangi fancy pants! 22:41 mtj im still not sure how useful it is… with flickr intergration 22:42 rangi my worry would be its kinda hackable no? 22:42 rangi if you know the tag, you can get an opac displaying some dodgy stuff? 22:42 mtj afaik, nope... 22:42 mtj its not searching on a 'tag', but a 'group' 22:42 rangi ahh 22:42 rangi and you can control membership? 22:42 wajasu ok. i got my postfix set up. and generated an overdue notice. the email text contains this: Fine: £1.50 so sure, the varbinary helped us from eating the unicode/utf8, but its still not right with  there. 22:43 mtj yep, thats the plan 22:43 rangi varbinary is the wrong way to go, getring rid of the  22:43 rangi is the way 22:43 wajasu yup 22:43 rangi a varbinary change will not be accepted into koha (just fyi) 22:44 wajasu the  was 1st, and probably cause mysql to cut the rest. 22:44 rangi yep 22:44 wajasu i know. 22:44 wajasu but its knowledge worth having. 22:44 mtj but, librarian needs to add 'bibnumber' to every uploaded flickr record, somehow... 22:44 rangi mtj: cool, now your next challenge 22:45 rangi using the facility that lets you pull json reports out of koha 22:45 mtj thats the catch to the flickr situ, that step is somewhat manual :/ 22:45 rangi do it straight out of koha, and grab covers from either local covers, amazona etc what ever the syspref is 22:45 rangi ie, in master you can mark a report public, then you can fetch that in the opac 22:46 rangi using opac/svc/report 22:46 rangi and it hands out json 22:46 mtj ooooh, ok 22:46 rangi so you could write a report that is just 22:46 rangi select 12,343,535,34334 22:46 rangi etc 22:46 rangi to get the biblionumbers 22:47 rangi then the librarians could just edit the report 22:47 * rangi hopes he is making sense 22:47 mtj yep, tho im still catching up a little, i think... 22:48 rangi bug 8256 22:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8256 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Reports webservice should allow selection by name 22:48 mtj hmm, theres a few good ways to spin this thing 22:49 rangi using the saved reports would allow it to be done within koha 22:49 rangi you could even then use the rand function in sql 22:49 rangi so it got different ones 22:50 rangi or order by accession date 22:50 rangi etc 22:50 rangi all sorts of things 22:53 mtj yep, im thinking of a way for a librarian to 'select' a bib to 'show on carousel', etc.... 22:55 mtj tho, some sql to generate that json output would also suffice… 22:56 mtj fyi, flickr has a book-cover group, with 45k images, not bad -> http://www.flickr.com/groups/bookcovers/pool/ 22:57 mtj could be worth using flickr data for koha, i reckon 22:58 rangi whats the license on it? 22:58 Ccorrales 33518003074681 22:58 rangi 34389423842374823 22:58 mtj rangi, pass on that… :P 22:58 rangi mtj: kinda important huh? :) 22:59 mtj i hadnt really considered it yet :/ 23:00 rangi yeah annoyingly we have to 23:01 mtj hmm, i guess theres a whole list of stuff you can't do with flickr data…? 23:02 mtj (which is usually all the fun stuff you wanna do with data) 23:04 rangi depends if its licensed or not 23:04 rangi lots is cc-sa or cc-by-sa those you can use 23:06 JoeLib001 Have a good day everyone. :-) 23:06 mtj i assume its possible to tell flickr to *not* return tricky-licensed photos 23:06 mtj (could be a quickfix) 23:07 rangi yep, you can do that in the advanced search 23:10 mtj ah yep, i got it…. 23:11 bag heya mtj and rangi 23:12 mtj wordup, big.B 23:15 rangi hey bag 23:18 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/7531847/Pensioners-restoration-attempt-destroys-fresco <-- oops 23:20 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Kenya Poly Library goes Live with Koha 3.8 http://t.co/rXxZfiM0" 23:23 bag @wunder wellington nz 23:23 huginn bag: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on August 23, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 23:23 bag @wunder Santa Barbara, CA 23:23 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 22.1°C (4:17 PM PDT on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).