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21:52 wajasu ok
21:51 rangi if it depends on having a db, then yes, if you did it with DBD::Mock then no
21:48 wajasu so i'll work on getting zebra_messages in sync. if i write a test, and its got lots of SQL should i put it in t/db_dependent?
21:47 wizzyrea deep, strange magic
21:46 wizzyrea yaz client ftw
21:46 wizzyrea jcamins++
21:46 wajasu i think i tried using it and got an error. maybe the date needed to be just right.
21:45 wajasu you are right. my bad.
21:44 cait maybe scroll down - i see it not in the options on top of the overdues file, but in the pod below
21:43 wahanui I know.
21:43 cait that's right
21:43 wajasu very tiny followup
21:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Bulk MARC biblio export script
21:43 wajasu git log => 322a9c7fbbcf456084d1937f48345b3cdec058ce its the Bug 5600
21:42 cait and look at the latest commit
21:42 cait just do a git log
21:41 wajasu is there a git hash i can report to you to see if we are in sync?
21:41 cait maybe you are tracking the wrong branch?
21:41 wajasu Already up-to-date.
21:40 wajasu master branch. nothing changed.
21:40 cait and git pull says you are up to date?
21:40 wajasu yes
21:40 cait and you are looking at the git controlled file?
21:39 wajasu cait: but I still think i should see the 7447 changes. if you do just after a git clone git://... something must not be right. i just did a fresh clone and no --date option.
21:35 rangi wtf .. that guy is so random
21:34 Brooke pfft arrows don't work right
21:32 Brooke lemme go look it up :)
21:32 cait maybe put the date of the next meeting?
21:32 Brooke razzin frazzin /t shortcut
21:31 cait and here is always the chance you forget to copy something and it takes forever to run all the scripts
21:31 cait and every time you change a file
21:31 cait harder to go wrong
21:31 cait it's really easier with a dev install
21:30 cait wajasu: you will have to do that every time you pull
21:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #142 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:30 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: 3.8.4 Release notes
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21:26 wajasu i am doing the whole perl Makefile.PL, make,make install when i test with standard.
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21:25 mtj http://en.pusc.it/bib/MARCgrep
21:24 mtj oops, not .pl , but java
21:24 cait with standard they are scattered in different directories not git controlled
21:24 cait where all the files are in git
21:24 cait you will need a dev installl
21:24 mtj marcgrep.pl -> https://github.com/marktriggs/marcgrep
21:23 cait that will not work
21:23 wajasu yes.
21:23 cait are you stil running a standard installaton?
21:23 cait no it's master
21:22 wajasu cait: i git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone and "vi misc/cronjobs/overdue_notice.pl" and don't see any of that new stuff. but git clone shows it inthe history. is it in some special branch?
21:20 cait wajasu: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl;h=50d53d49dc4a6aab9615e5455b88b99770fcdc10;hp=cb9ffa2ec683a63dd90ffe1215ede6af2a89e3b0;hb=d094e24af9bcb91eaedabd078fe7ecf4868860d7;hpb=2102895ab55a8e9ceb6b9a64dc7a2ab7fd739978
21:20 mtj jcamins++ nice :)
21:20 jcamins Ignore the headers, which are inaccurate.
21:19 jcamins mtj: https://github.com/jcamins/cataloggen/blob/master/sanitize.pl
21:19 mtj .. either some sql foo, or a command-line tool
21:19 wizzyrea indeed :)
21:19 mtj wizzyrea, id REALLY like to see a good way to fix your problem
21:18 jcamins mtj: 'cause I've seen it.
21:18 mtj thats its marc-8?
21:18 cait does
21:18 cait or des
21:18 mtj jcamins, how do you know that?
21:18 cait in mine it did exist
21:17 cait I am not sure I can
21:17 wajasu cait: you might be able to explain why i can do "git log" and see 7447 (adding --date) in overdue_notice.pl in master, but no such option exists in my overdue_notice.pl
21:17 jcamins \xC2 is definitely MARC-8.
21:17 jcamins No, not likely to be the index.
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21:15 wizzyrea … but it could be a spontaneous bit-flip I guess?
21:15 wizzyrea but you would think that there would be something funky in the record that would cause it
21:15 wajasu i'm going to attempt to write a Overdues.t and add tests to validate and document whats supposed to be happening.
21:15 wizzyrea the problem could be in the index
21:15 wizzyrea I suppose
21:14 jcamins Yeah, marcxml.
21:13 jcamins wizzyrea: both use MARCXML, I think, because rebuild_zebra does.
21:13 cait wajasu: it's bad it doesn#t right now :(
21:13 cait wajasu: ideally the preview should match the real thing... in the end
21:13 * wizzyrea ponders
21:13 wizzyrea hmm
21:13 wizzyrea and the xslt comes from marcxml- but it does it in both so
21:13 mtj yeah, prolly both fields, yeah?
21:12 jcamins Possibly also marc.
21:12 wajasu cait: the info about -n -t vs -t is what i needed. thx.
21:12 wahanui well, marcxml is a representation of the usmarc in xml
21:12 jcamins wizzyrea: MARCXML.
21:12 mtj so no awesome sql regex foo , from me :/
21:12 wizzyrea what if it's in the title?
21:12 mtj .. but it requires the marc data to be dumped to a file
21:11 wizzyrea or in marc
21:11 wizzyrea would it be in marcxml
21:11 wizzyrea now, question
21:11 wizzyrea do tell.
21:11 * wizzyrea perks up
21:11 mtj wizzyrea eythain showed me a way to regex thru a marc file to locate a glitchy record
21:04 wizzyrea oh oh pokemon… let's try that one
21:03 wizzyrea oo 11 of them!
21:03 wizzyrea ty for the suggestions btw
21:03 wizzyrea nom nom
21:03 wizzyrea it's chomping on that
21:02 jcamins "\x is x"
21:02 jcamins Let me try that again.
21:02 rangi try without the \ then
21:02 jcamins "\x is not X"
21:02 wizzyrea so I will :)
21:02 wizzyrea well I did not in fact look for xC2
21:01 wizzyrea :)
21:01 jcamins According to the documentation, MySQL doesn't allow escapes like that.
21:01 * wizzyrea will try it, is dubious
21:01 rangi try like "%\xC2%" it might work
21:01 wizzyrea lol.
21:01 wizzyrea sorry, not making the leap
21:00 wizzyrea so how can I look for it?
21:00 wizzyrea well but I don't know how it's invalid
21:00 * magnuse realises he is too tired for this and wanders off to sleep a little
21:00 rangi its not a valid one, thats the problem :)
20:59 * wizzyrea looks up which one it is
20:59 wizzyrea hmm no
20:59 wizzyrea OH
20:59 rangi have you done one for that char?
20:58 magnuse jcamins: gah!
20:58 wizzyrea pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
20:58 * wizzyrea imagines a fire hose spewing marc data
20:58 jcamins Hrm.
20:58 wizzyrea hose biblios!
20:58 wizzyrea in fact, my query was exactly that :)
20:57 wizzyrea and those searches all succeeded.
20:57 wizzyrea nothing looked untoward, and we did searches on all of hose biblios
20:57 wizzyrea I did that
20:57 jcamins magnuse: you want count=7 and count=8
20:57 magnuse the titles in the rss are different for limit=7 and limit=8 :-(
20:56 jcamins ^^ do this on your test server.
20:56 jcamins SELECT biblionumber FROM biblioitems WHERE marcxml LIKE '%dearie%' ORDER BY biblionumber;
20:55 jcamins Or you do a report.
20:55 jcamins So you use your database access to your test server to try and locate this record.
20:55 wizzyrea good idea though
20:55 jcamins Yeah.
20:55 jcamins Yeah, I just noticed that too.
20:55 jcamins Wait...
20:55 magnuse hm, the sorting seems to be um, interesting though...
20:55 wizzyrea ohh - it doesn't work with rss
20:54 jcamins magnuse: ooh, good call.
20:54 wizzyrea derrr
20:53 magnuse or use the rss - easier
20:53 jcamins However! Your test server should have a record that old.
20:53 jcamins That would make it difficult.
20:53 wizzyrea well yea - except I"m not sure that it's been set up with public z39.50, now that I'm actually trying to connect to it
20:52 jcamins Now you connect with yaz, find out what the eighth record is, and know which record needs to be recreated.
20:52 wizzyrea but… what is it! lol.
20:51 wizzyrea wow. nice work there.
20:51 wizzyrea lol
20:51 jcamins lowering
20:51 jcamins *)
20:51 jcamins (tested by lowing count until it worked.
20:51 jcamins It's the eighth result for "deari".
20:49 wahanui it has been said that same error is face earlier also
20:49 wizzyrea same error
20:49 wizzyrea dearie also dies
20:49 wizzyrea one that is on the first page of results for deari
20:49 wizzyrea right which makes me think that it's an oldish record
20:49 magnuse this works: http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=deari&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2
20:49 wizzyrea good idea
20:48 jcamins wizzyrea: connect via yaz, get a list of records, and try accessing them one at a time?
20:48 wizzyrea suppose I could query it that way eh.
20:47 wizzyrea and yes, I believe we do have public z39.50
20:47 wizzyrea yes, in both
20:47 magnuse same error in the intranet?
20:47 jcamins wizzyrea: do you have public Z39.50?
20:46 magnuse gah :-)
20:46 wizzyrea don't have access to them :(
20:46 magnuse no more info in the logs?
20:46 rangi you'll have to start throwing in warns to dump the biblionumber then
20:46 magnuse ah
20:45 rangi yeah but i was hoping it was being called by the xslt rendering
20:45 magnuse looks like the error happens in Encode.pm - that is in perl code, not xslt?
20:45 jcamins Yeah, that's an error in MARC::Record.
20:44 wizzyrea same message
20:44 wizzyrea hm no it's still asplodey even without xslt
20:43 wizzyrea hehe
20:43 rangi assuming that doesnt asplode too
20:43 rangi yup
20:43 wizzyrea it'll then be one of those right?
20:42 rangi and see if you can then see the results
20:42 wizzyrea rangi++
20:42 wizzyrea oo
20:42 rangi switch off xslt
20:42 wizzyrea I've looked through biblio, and biblioitems, marc, and marcxml
20:42 wizzyrea but how do I find which one?
20:42 wizzyrea i mean, duh.
20:42 rangi yep
20:42 wizzyrea my thought is that it has to be something in a record that is wrong
20:41 cait hm not sure
20:41 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=deari&limit=
20:40 wizzyrea now I have one of these pets to call my own.
20:40 rangi ok, proper tarball now
20:40 wizzyrea I was talking to someone about this a week or so ago
20:40 wizzyrea anyone have thoughts on how to find the record that causes "utf8 xc3 does not map to unicode"
20:40 nancyk see you tomorrow i hope.
20:40 cait hi nancyk :)
20:40 rangi i wont be able to make it, its 3am nz time .. but i hope the meeting goes well
20:39 rangi hi nancyk
20:39 nancyk Hi, just testing for tomorrow morning.
20:37 cait :)
20:37 rangi yep
20:37 cait updat ethe database? :)
20:36 rangi 2 secs im rolling a new one
20:36 rangi ahh forget that
20:36 rangi before i send out the release notes
20:36 rangi someone have a minute to check the 3.8.4 tarball (looks ok to me)
20:36 rangi http://download.koha-community.org/
20:33 cait bye oleonard
20:33 rangi cya oleonard
20:32 oleonard Bye #koha
20:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #141 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:19 rangi me either
20:18 oleonard Thanks for the follow-up email wizzyrea. I'm glad some of his bugs could be reproduced--I couldn't with the cover image bugs.
20:11 rangi back
20:04 cait and oleonard++
20:04 cait wizzyrea++ :)
20:04 wizzyrea okies
20:04 oleonard That'd be great,thanks
20:03 wizzyrea I will, if no one else wants to :P
20:03 wizzyrea ok, I was just wondering - should we tell him that lol
20:03 cait and if not - you still fixed a bug :)
20:03 oleonard My patch enables sorting by call number by default which I think is what he wants
20:03 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:03 wizzyrea @quote get 123
20:03 wizzyrea which kind of makes no sense but whatever.
20:03 wizzyrea your patch fixes that? or he wants relevance *then* call number
20:02 oleonard But he also wants the callnumber sort to work by default
20:02 wizzyrea so the value gets set
20:02 wizzyrea he probably just needs to set his asc to dsc and flip it back
20:02 oleonard yes
20:01 wizzyrea with the call number sort
20:01 wizzyrea oleonard: that guy on the list, manos, that bug is the one we were working on yesterday right?
20:01 rangi My stop bbiab
20:00 cait hm have to create a 3.8 instance...
20:00 rangi Yep
19:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8663 normal, P3, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Circulation rules hard due date calendar wrong format
19:59 cait rangi: would I get another chocolate fish for bug 8663?
19:59 cait and kf=cait... but tell noone...
19:59 cait I updated the bug
19:59 cait ah
19:58 wajasu callled
19:58 wajasu no. mom clled. she wins.
19:53 cait wajasu: did I scare you away?
19:51 cait how nice... our test mode differs from waht really happens :(
19:51 cait wajasu: yep, that seems to be it - -n shows the correct notices. if you create them and write them into the message_queue table, they are wrong. weird.
19:49 cait wajasu: -t -n looks alright to me - have you tried without -n?
19:49 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:49 cait hm interesting
19:49 rangi But it should never only show one when 2 match the trigger
19:48 cait and -t should be documented in the help that shows with -h by the way...
19:48 cait with -t --list-all all overdue items hsould be shown, without only those which due date matches the trigger
19:48 rangi Yep
19:47 cait else it should list in each notice the overdues for that trigger
19:47 cait rangi: should only with --list-all option
19:47 rangi It should list all items
19:47 cait hm meant 2 on the same day, but more than 1 :) 3 total, 2 different dates was what I did
19:47 wizzyrea i wish huginn's weather bot would tell you what the wind speed is
19:47 rangi Yes that
19:46 cait 3 on the smae day
19:46 cait wajasu: you need 3
19:46 wajasu it seems only books due the same day are consolidated into one notice.
19:45 wajasu i didn't touch overdue generation logic. just presentation. i added 2 checkouts 1 2 daya prior and one 1 day prior. with -t trigger two notices showed up, because there was a 1day trigger, and a 2 day trigger, but for different items.
19:45 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.4°C (9:40 PM CEST on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
19:45 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:42 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
19:42 rangi @wunder nzwn
19:42 * cait nibbles on her chocolate fish
19:41 rangi It was showing all overdues? Not just one?
19:41 jcamins lol
19:41 * oleonard excuses himself for the hiccup
19:41 oleonard Want to see page 2 of these search results? Buy me a drink!
19:41 wajasu i reapplied my overdue_notice patch with kf's scenario and it worked for me. she left for home earlier and said she was going to look thorugh her logs and analyze it some more.
19:40 oleonard Want to see page 2 of these search results? Buy me a drink
19:40 rangi Chocolate fishes all round
19:40 cait getting donations for oyur search rewrite
19:40 jcamins lol
19:40 cait jcamins: you could add a: want this search to work better? Buy me a drink button ;)
19:40 cait well... half of it and wajasu claims it works for him...
19:39 cait I ddi my homework too!
19:39 * jcamins is writing POD today.
19:39 * oleonard even did the homework rangi assigned yesterday
19:39 rangi Hehe
19:39 oleonard I'd submit a patch, but we're down to 56 needs signoff and I wouldn't dare raise it.
19:38 * jcamins adds a "give me a drink" button to the staff interface.
19:37 oleonard One of 1,156 famfamfam icons in the OPAC
19:37 rangi Do it
19:37 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/drink.png
19:37 rangi We have drink icons?
19:37 koyauni this is better : http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=111215
19:36 cait oleonard is threatening to delete our icons for deleting lorries and having drinks...
19:36 wahanui well, morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:36 jcamins Morning.
19:36 wajasu hi
19:36 cait morning rangi
19:36 rangi Morning
19:31 oleonard :)
19:31 jcamins oleonard: phew. I was worried.
19:31 oleonard jcamins: Your magnifying glass icon isn't famfamfam, so you're safe.
19:29 wajasu i'm on master. git log shows it in its history.
19:28 cait maybe you ar enot on the right branch?
19:28 cait wajasu: hm not sure, if it's pushed it should show up
19:27 jcamins koyauni: probably you need to do something special to make an Apache virtual host show up if you're using Plesk. If you read the Plesk documentation I imagine it will explain somewhere, but I wouldn't know what to look for.
19:26 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/drink.png
19:25 koyauni jcamins: I fond some similar issues to mine on Plesk but there is no answer to tread, please see http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?p=636717#post636717
19:23 jcamins And friends.
19:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , opac-detail subject/author links improvements
19:23 jcamins oleonard: used in bug 5888.
19:23 oleonard jcamins: What is the magnifying glass icon you mentioned?
19:22 nengard okay
19:22 jcamins nengard: yeah. It's a future expansion thing.
19:21 wajasu i do a "git log" in my kohaclone. i search forward for 7447, which was pushed to master. fine. but when i look at misc/cronjobs/overdue_notice.pl i don't see the added --date option code it added? Hmm
19:20 nengard yeah i figured that
19:19 cait nengard: I think he meant the database documentation :)
19:19 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded.
19:19 nengard @later tell eythian - i already documented that in the manual: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/reportsfaq.html#serialtablefaq
19:18 koyauni http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?p=636717#post636717
19:18 koyauni very similar to this issue
19:18 koyauni I have installed Koha but it does not shown the subdoamin
19:17 koyauni anyone got experience with Koha on Debian with Plesk
19:16 cait oleonard: ok... maybe we have some that we don't need :)
19:16 nengard jcamins, i went back to your original notes and you didn't say anything about it being experimental - so do you want me to make the manual say that you shouldn't use that preference in production?
19:15 oleonard Or if someone wanted to delete a lorry: http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/lorry_delete.png
19:15 cait or to illustrate a opac news about the library football team that won the rainbow cup
19:15 cait or footballs?
19:15 cait if a library wanted to borrow rainbows?
19:14 koyauni hi everyone
19:14 cait but... we need that
19:14 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/rainbow.png
19:13 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/sport_football.png
19:12 cait hmm
19:12 oleonard 4.5MB
19:11 cait I mean would probably not hurt having them and include the official ones into a sprite?
19:11 cait oleonard: are they big altogether?
19:11 cait tree?
19:10 jcamins Bulldozer!
19:10 wajasu do we have any pages that currently do a master detail view with TT. for an example? say opac_details.pl?
19:10 gmcharlt individually!
19:10 oleonard Alright, everyone vote for their favorites!
19:10 jcamins Don't delete the magnifying glass either.
19:10 gmcharlt oleonard: nothing like covering *all* of the bases
19:09 cait and there is a howto on the wiki!
19:09 cait top left corner
19:09 cait https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/
19:08 oleonard cait: In custom CSS?
19:08 cait please don't delete the little keyboard - because i use that :)
19:08 oleonard /opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam
19:08 cait huh?
19:07 oleonard We include 1,156 famfamfam icons in the OPAC ?!!
19:06 jcamins Makes sense to me.
19:06 jcamins That is to say, pip pip, sounds like a jolly fine idea.
19:06 wajasu ok. thats my new pet project. can i try to employ template toolkit to generate what notices should match to? then it would be dual purpose. maybe if/when its overhauled, we can cut down on lines of code with TT. (right now its a 28000 byte perl script)
19:05 cait I agree wholeheartedly with jcamins
19:05 cait lol
19:04 oleonard wajasu: jcamins sounds ambivalent. Maybe ask someone else.
19:03 jcamins wajasu: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:03 wajasu jcamins: i'm wondering if i should atempt to add tests to t/Overdues.t while I'm familiar with the code.
19:00 jcamins I think it's the entire distribution.
19:00 jcamins oleonard: I have absolutely no idea.
19:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , famfamfam should be outside theme directory
19:00 oleonard Looking at Bug 8624 and wondering why we include so many icons which aren't used
18:58 wajasu i have /etc/bash_completion.d/git on my archlinux and its fast. Also, you can refer to some advanced stuff that may relate to your distribution. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bash_completion#Auto-completion
18:56 oleonard I get it
18:56 jcamins Laptops don't have delete keys, and regular keyboards are too large to reach them.
18:56 jcamins You can replace Ctrl-d with delete.
18:56 jcamins Ctrl-a Ctrl-d Ctrl-d.
18:55 oleonard What is ^a^d^d ?
18:53 jcamins Type: ls koha-{tab}int{tab}-{tab}pr{tab}{tab}mo{tab}acq{tab}whatever{tab}^a^d^dgit add
18:52 jcamins oleonard: like so.
18:51 * oleonard did not understand what you just said
18:51 jcamins oleonard: yeah. If you use ls for your tab completion, then change it to git whatever, it's fast.
18:50 oleonard jcamins: Oh, so it's in combination with git that it slows down?
18:50 jcamins oleonard: to finish that thought, tab complete with git takes so long that I always just kill it.
18:49 oleonard No
18:49 wajasu oleonard: are you searching over a mounted directory?
18:48 JoeLib001 For some reason I was thinking the 21st. hehe. :-)
18:48 JoeLib001 Ah, ok. 22nd.
18:48 jcamins As is 3.6.8.
18:48 jcamins JoeLib001: nope, still expected out tomorrow.
18:47 jcamins oleonard: I can't use tab complete with git.
18:47 JoeLib001 Is the koha 3.8.4 release postponed?
18:47 JoeLib001 Hello. :-)
18:42 oleonard 12 seconds to tab-complete the name of a file in the current directory. My VM simply under-powered?
18:40 wahanui Hmm. No matches for that, oleonard.
18:40 oleonard Gah, why is bash tab-completion in my VM so /slow!/
18:38 jcamins fredericd++
18:27 libsysguy i didn't think I had to run the render again
18:27 libsysguy so maybe I am missing something with fullcalendar
18:27 libsysguy or at least that is what chrome is saying
18:27 libsysguy oleonard: it is getting what it should
18:26 mtompset Bye.
18:26 * mtompset waves, "I'm off."
18:26 libsysguy let me check oleonard wajasu
18:25 wajasu unless firebug suffices.
18:25 wajasu libsysguy: you might try using wireshark to listen between client/server hosts and see if you can find your json being transported to the browser.
18:25 oleonard libsysguy: Firebug shows nothing coming back from getClosures.pl?
18:23 libsysguy if my patch gets passed
18:22 libsysguy err will be
18:22 libsysguy yes
18:22 oleonard FullCalendar is a new js dependency?
18:22 libsysguy and I think the interwebz are stealing my data
18:22 libsysguy my mind is boggled
18:22 libsysguy put the dump in perl shows it as good
18:22 libsysguy but I get no data and the object shows up as empty in js
18:21 libsysguy I am using this function http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/docs/event_data/events_json_feed/
18:21 libsysguy I am working with the calendar. I have perl returning a well formed JSON string and giving it to this function http://pastebin.com/JE36mcfB
18:20 * oleonard has a little
18:19 libsysguy anybody around here have any ajax experience?
18:12 jcamins That's what I used to learn how to package everything and its kid brother.
18:12 jcamins See the reading list on the wiki.
18:12 jcamins It's easy.
18:11 mtompset It would seem then that I need to take my linux skills up a notch and learn packaging.
18:10 jcamins Yes.
18:09 mtompset If I install something from external repo X, and then the default repos come along with a newer version of that something, will it upgrade from the default repos?
18:03 mtompset As does 3.2
18:02 mtompset However, even 3.4 had 31 dependencies that were missing or needed upgrading.
18:02 mtompset 3.6 and 3.8 fail mostly because of Modern::Perl requirement.
18:01 mtompset I decided to re-look at Ubuntu 8.04 for laughs.
18:01 mtompset Ah.
18:01 jcamins Often.
18:01 jcamins mtompset: the developer looks to see what version they have, and enters that.
18:00 mtompset How is the minimum version required number determined?
17:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
17:53 wajasu it might be or might have been useful for folks with an older git version. i din't test on my debian squeeze VM. let me see.
17:52 jcamins Awesome!
17:52 wajasu i tested with and without while soing a simple format-patch
17:51 wajasu yes. thats what causes the duplicat Content-Type.
17:51 jcamins wajasu: when you remove the [format] section it fixes it?
17:50 wajasu jcamins: it was suggested somehwhere to add [format] headers = "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=\"utf-8\"" to avaoid mangling non-ACII chars in commit messages. It seems my environment(git version or locale settings) puts that in already, so to avoid having double Content-Tpye lins in my SIGNOF patches, I'm just removing the [format] section from my .gitconfig
17:45 cait hi druthb :)
17:44 druthb Hi, cait. :)
17:44 cait hi all :)
17:40 jcamins oleonard: that's so diplomatic of you. :)
17:40 jcamins lol
17:37 oleonard Is that what perl modules do?
17:34 libsysguy so I can make the user give me perfect input and deal with imperfect output
17:33 libsysguy I think i want to start writing perl modules
16:51 oleonard Answer: OpacHiddenItems
16:28 oleonard What are some reasons why an item wouldn't appear on opac-detail.pl? The item in question is not lost
16:15 kf test installation for this is htere too :)
16:14 wajasu ok. no problem.
16:14 kf I am leaving for today - bbl from home
16:14 wajasu ok. grabbing lunch.
16:13 kf no idea right now - will think about it and run some mor tests
16:12 wajasu true
16:12 kf it wouldn't work at all if the path was not correct
16:12 kf I am working with a dev installation
16:12 wajasu i also am doing a standard install. make install... after applying the patch, the overdue_notice.pl calls changes i made int Letters.pm, so as long as PERL5LIB is correct.
16:11 kf not much room to go wrong
16:11 kf applied the date patch, then yours
16:11 kf I started from current master
16:10 wajasu my patch took care of all those warnings. undefined, etc. unless you follwed a different code path.
16:09 kf I had a pattern match warning
16:09 kf did overdues output warnings for you?
16:09 kf I can check the logs tonight, maybe they will show something
16:09 kf so I did it twice and it never worked :(
16:08 kf I am not sure where the difference is, but I reran the tests after I found out that it was past midnight
16:08 wajasu but the logic must not consolidate across days.
16:08 kf it didn't work for me.
16:08 wajasu when i originally tested it, i had two items due on the same date, and multiple showed in the notice.
16:07 wajasu i agree.
16:06 kf on the same date?
16:06 wajasu i didn't configure a default currency.
16:06 kf does this work for you? if you have more than one item overdue?
16:06 kf for me it should have been 2 items in the second notice
16:06 kf wonder where the differenc eis
16:06 kf I think
16:06 kf but normally I woudl use master - so you can besure it all works
16:06 kf it shouldn't matter here
16:05 wajasu i created a fresh empty db. did webinstaller. so when i add bibs and items via z3950, the indexer fineds them quickly and didn't need rebuild_zebra.pl.
16:05 kf it didn't work for me with EUR and GBP
16:05 kf wajasu: what I did was running with -t and checking the contents of the message_queue table
16:04 kf why did you apply the patch for the koha-index?
16:03 wajasu kf: do i need to run using email?
16:03 wajasu "The Call of the wild " by , , Barcode: 999 Fine: £3.00
16:03 wajasu Notice2 2 days overdue:
16:03 wajasu "The Tolkien collector" by , 828/.91209, Barcode: 888 Fine: £1.50
16:03 wajasu Notice1 1 day overdue:
16:03 wajasu kf: With templates filled in and one item in each notice:
16:00 gaetan_B bye !
16:00 wajasu kf: i applied 8519 koha-index-daemon, 8607 date not replaced, 8378 <fine> syntax not working, and after setting up your use case, and ran fines.pl with calculate and charge in sysprefs, i got two overdue notices, one for each item overdue in the past two days, when i ran ./misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -n -t
15:58 * oleonard feels that the current system is too clunky to allow enabling of both Amazon (for instance) and local images
15:54 tcohen (that was my plan anyway :-P)
15:54 tcohen ok, i'll let you know
15:54 oleonard tcohen: When you start on it I'm interested to hear what your plan is
15:53 tcohen i said I was willing to work on that
15:53 tcohen you are right
15:53 koyauni I place a note on plesk forum see what will happen
15:52 oleonard tcohen: Was that something you had said you were going to work on, or did I misremember who was working on that?
15:52 jcamins koyauni: it's unlikely restarting the server will help. However, I don't know anything about Plesk.
15:52 tcohen oleonard, i'm currently working on making calendar work on our setup
15:51 koyauni if you come up with anything please add it to http://kl1p.com/koyauni I will read it when I get back
15:50 koyauni I go get my child from nurery and be back in 2 hrs
15:50 oleonard tcohen: Are you working on handling multiple book cover images gracefully?
15:49 koyauni shall I restart the server and see that will help
15:49 jcamins If you still have a problem, it's definitely something to do with Plesk, I think.
15:48 jcamins Okay, that all looks good.
15:48 koyauni root@koyauniversity ~ # sudo apache2ctl restart root@koyauniversity ~ # sudo koha-enable library Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting .
15:48 koyauni no just went through
15:48 koyauni I see a library short cut in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
15:47 jcamins Did you get any error messages?
15:46 jcamins Okay.
15:46 koyauni no just found it, now I did those command you asked me
15:46 jcamins Believe it or not, I actually know how to use the system. There's a reason I told you to follow the instructions I pointed you at.
15:46 jcamins koyauni: why are you following different instructions?
15:45 jcamins And does it work now?
15:41 koyauni please see http://kl1p.com/koyauni
15:40 jcamins Then run: sudo koha-enable library
15:39 jcamins Then run: sudo apache2ctl restart
15:39 jcamins Run: sudo a2enmod rewrite
15:39 jcamins Nah, better to just do the following:
15:38 jcamins If that's true, you'll need to do the following:
15:38 koyauni can I redo that step see if will make any difference
15:37 jcamins Okay, I suspect Plesk had some way to prevent the packages from modifying the Apache configuration.
15:37 koyauni /etc/apache2/sites-enabled there is no library but bunch of shortcut files,
15:36 koyauni no there is no library in there
15:34 jcamins If you look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, you will see the same library file.
15:34 jcamins If you followed the instructions.
15:34 jcamins The packages already took care of that for you.
15:33 koyauni please look at POINT #4 here https://github.com/fredericd/Koha/blob/master/INSTALL.debian
15:28 jcamins That may be. I don't know anything about Plesk.
15:28 koyauni I think we need to create shortcuts to koha in vhosts
15:26 jcamins There is nothing wrong with that. Your problem is with something other than Koha.
15:25 koyauni see what is says http://kl1p.com/koyauni
15:25 oleonard Poor paul_p is going to have a big backlog of work when he comes back!
15:25 jcamins If ServerName is wrong in either place, you can adjust it to whatever you want it to be.
15:25 * oleonard cheers all those who are doing signoffs and QA'ing
15:25 jcamins Yes.
15:24 koyauni the library file is in /etc/apache2/sites-available
15:24 jcamins I don't see why you would want to.
15:24 jcamins Then don't reinstall everything.
15:23 koyauni I fixed the typo but reinstalling whole server that is why we lost data and started all over again
15:23 jcamins You can configure your server however you would like.
15:23 koyauni I think we need some shortcuts to be created
15:22 jcamins It could be you had a typo in the koha-sites.conf, in which case you could adjust the ServerName to match what you want.
15:22 koyauni ok
15:22 koyauni so the subdomain resolves well,
15:22 jcamins You can take a look at the Apache virtual host configuration file, /etc/apache2/sites-available/library
15:21 koyauni and Plesk is part of the server
15:21 koyauni I have full control on my dedicated server
15:21 koyauni but it does not show Koha
15:21 koyauni library.koyauniversity.org is in working order
15:20 koyauni I have already created my subdomain and I access to it
15:20 jcamins At least, that's my analysis.
15:20 jcamins At this point the problem is not with Koha. It's with the server configuration outside of Koha.
15:19 wajasu if a patron has $10.00 in fines, although i checked in the books, forgiving the fines, when i sign in as the patron, my items are checkd in, but i see the fines. do i have to run fine.spl to reconcile? is that how it works?
15:19 jcamins Since you have to pay for Plesk, probably you could call their tech support and ask them what needs to be configured to add a new subdomain.
15:19 jcamins I suspect the problem is you have a problem with your Plesk configuration.
15:19 jcamins All I know is that I am getting a Parallels page.
15:17 jcamins koyauni: I don't know how you have your servers and DNS set up.
15:17 kf oleonard: hope he had good news :)
15:17 kf wajasu: I couldn't get the date option working with -t yesterday
15:17 kf wajasu: I am suspecting it doesn<#t work together with notice triggers :(
15:17 * oleonard tips his hat to huginn and slips him a shilling for the message delivery
15:17 koyauni if it would not point to the same dedicated server would it still open the websites we have?
15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7447 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Allow to specify a date in overdue_notice.pl
15:15 wajasu i'll do that. i also noticed, paul p added bug 7447, but i tried to use it, but i can't get --date=2012-08-21 to work. so i'll use your method.
15:15 oleonard Hi all
15:14 jcamins I get a Parallels page when I go to library.koyauniversity.org, which suggests that it is not.
15:14 kf wajasu: use the date field and it will ask you for confirmation, but checks out fine and you have items immediately overdue
15:14 jcamins koyauni: please humor me and check that the DNS for library.koyauniversity.org is pointing to the exact same server that you just installed Koha on.
15:14 kf makes testing such things a lot easier :)
15:13 wajasu no i didn't
15:13 kf wajasu: you know that you can check out with a duedate in the past?
15:13 koyauni yes it does, as our sites are live
15:13 kf editing db tables is dangerous - easy to miss something that happens in RL
15:12 kf by running fines.pl
15:12 wajasu kf: i think i have you test case set up (2 items) 1 day delay and 2 daya delay for overdue notice trigger. circ rule charge interval 1 day. w/ fine 1.50. how did you force the overdue fine? by editing the db table date_due for the items to be relative to your current day? and running fines.pl?
15:08 jcamins (there's a delay when setting up DNS)
15:08 jcamins Just call up your sysadmin and tell him/her that you need it, and in a few hours it'll be working. :)
15:07 jcamins You need to make sure that the DNS entry for library.koyauniversity.org is pointing to the correct server.
15:07 reiveune1 bye
15:07 koyauni ok, does DNS need to do more that opening the site at http://library.koyauniversity.org/
15:06 jcamins It started Zebra.
15:05 koyauni do I need to zebra thing as well
15:05 jcamins That all looks fine.
15:05 koyauni http://kl1p.com/koyauni
15:05 koyauni see what command returns when I run create
15:04 jcamins Are you sure?
15:04 koyauni the access to the domain is solved now, we havecorrect DNS now, so all koyauniversity.org , library.koyauniversity.org and libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org are working
15:00 jcamins Did you look at the logs I linked you to?
15:00 koyauni but I do not see koha
15:00 koyauni ohh, that is fine since the site is working, you can access the domain now
14:59 jcamins I think we encountered this problem the second time we walked you through this as well, so you might want to check the logs.
14:59 jcamins DNS is something your network administrator has to configure, so everyone knows what server hosts library.koyauniversity.org.
14:58 jcamins That's correct, but it has nothing to do with DNS. That's koha-sites.conf.
14:58 jcamins That's not DNS.
14:58 koyauni hope it is correct
14:58 koyauni http://kl1p.com/koyauni
14:58 koyauni yes I did, I have that here
14:56 jcamins Before you refreshed, I asked if you had set up DNS.
14:56 jcamins http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-08-09#i_1047381
14:55 jcamins http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-08-08#i_1046896
14:55 jcamins koyauni: if you want to take a look at the previous times we've gone through this process, you can see the logs at the following locations:
14:55 koyauni sorry I was logged out, and lost the conversation,
14:54 jcamins Did you set up DNS?
14:53 koyauni I created but the http://library.koyauniversity.org/ does not work :(
14:51 jcamins Okay. Since you're not real familiar with Linux, you'll need to follow the instructions, and then set up Plesk to backup the database.
14:50 koyauni yes, I did, we installed this but the server was messed up and we lost all data in re installation so I am doing this for second time,
14:48 * jcamins just realized that you might be someone else, in which case I'll find the logs of my conversation with your predecessor for you.
14:47 jcamins Are you the same person who used the koyauni nick before?
14:47 jcamins It will be called koha_library.
14:47 jcamins No, as we discussed, you need to let koha-create take care of the database.
14:46 koyauni where does this koha put the DB? can I create that in my plesk panel for auto backup purposes
14:45 koyauni yes, I run many websites and all of them using my sql DB,
14:43 jcamins Provided you are certain that the MySQL server is on it.
14:42 jcamins Right.
14:42 koyauni am I right?
14:42 koyauni so I do not need to run this sudo apt-get install mysql-server
14:42 koyauni I use a dedicated server with mysql already on it,
14:38 jcamins When you do the koha-create command, it configures Apache with the subdomains we've discussed.
14:37 koyauni so this is working now, how does it know that it is the domain library.koyauniversity.org is access point for the application
14:35 jcamins If you weren't using packages, you would have to edit the Apache configuration files manually.
14:34 jcamins Yes.
14:33 koyauni with the dot before .koyauniversity.org
14:32 jcamins And you set the domain to koyauniversity.org.
14:32 koyauni ok
14:32 jcamins No, juset set INTRASUFFIX=admin
14:32 jcamins OPACPREFIX=""
14:32 jcamins OPACSUFFIX=""
14:32 koyauni I use libraryadmin should I write libraryadmin
14:32 jcamins INTRAPREFIX=""
14:32 jcamins INTRASUFFIX=admin
14:32 jcamins What do you mean?
14:32 koyauni should it be sufix or prefix of the main domain
14:28 jcamins koyauni: INTRASUFFIX=admin
14:27 gmcharlt (cyclops wearing a hat that's too large)
14:27 druthb I liked D) better. looked like a full-face with a visor.
14:27 gmcharlt =|-)
14:27 libsysguy here is a better helmet (|:-)
14:26 libsysguy hehe
14:26 asaurat the disappointed cyclop
14:26 asaurat haha i like the |-(
14:26 druthb O:-)
14:26 druthb :-/
14:26 talljoy }-/
14:26 libsysguy |-(
14:25 magnuse Ø-)
14:25 asaurat >-(
14:25 koyauni I am using a subdomain as http://library.koyauniversity.org for users and http://libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org for admins, how do I put this in /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
14:24 talljoy lol
14:24 * libsysguy puts on his crash helmet D)
14:24 * druthb wields trout, and waves it menacingly at libsysguy.
14:24 talljoy altho you are tiring me out already today
14:23 talljoy s/tyring/trying/
14:23 talljoy keep tyring
14:22 libsysguy maybe this one {0-)
14:22 libsysguy here is a cyclops poked in the eye *-(
14:21 jcamins druthb: a street sign on a hill? :)
14:21 druthb Nope. Can't give someone the Cyclops Evil Eye.
14:21 druthb O-(
14:21 druthb I wonder....
14:20 talljoy phew
14:20 kf O - )
14:20 talljoy o-)
14:20 talljoy 0-)
14:20 kf O-)
14:20 talljoy lol
14:20 druthb O-)
14:20 talljoy -O
14:20 kf -O
14:19 talljoy no that wasn't it.
14:19 talljoy -O)
14:19 talljoy i want a cyclops. lol
14:14 magnuse hiya druthb
14:14 jcamins koyauni: excellent!
14:14 druthb O-)
14:14 druthb Hi, magnus! :)
14:14 * kf hides
14:14 magnuse a cyclop!
14:13 druthb kf: O-)
14:13 koyauni thanks that did it , and loads of commands are running now
14:12 kf oh, a one eyed smiley
14:08 jcamins (wget -O-)
14:06 jcamins You need a capital O.
14:06 koyauni it says no vaild gpg.asc pack found
14:06 druthb none o' that here.
14:06 koyauni when this run : wget -o- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -
14:05 talljoy druthb: we have similar weather....although we have some of this wet stuff floating around
14:05 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Benbrook TX US, Fort Worth, Texas is 20.6°C (8:24 AM CDT on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
14:05 talljoy @wunder 76109
14:04 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.0°C (9:02 AM CDT on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
14:04 druthb @wunder 66046
14:04 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 21.7°C (9:32 AM EDT on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
14:04 jcamins @wunder 11375
14:04 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (4:00 PM CEST on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
14:04 kf @wunder Konstanz
14:00 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Clatsop Community College Joins the Chinook Library Network and Goes Live on Koha… http://t.co/6AwlChac"
13:59 kf well... if there is no other conflict :)
13:58 kf wajasu: remove one of those and the patch will apply
13:58 kf wajasu: yes, look at the patch file, there is a doubled up encoding declaration
13:58 gmcharlt chris_n: by the by, where is your mariadb branch nowadays?
13:57 jcamins However, the wiki assumes (quite reasonably) that you know how to use Linux.
13:57 jcamins You could edit it.
13:56 jcamins koyauni: if you're new to Linux, I have a list of readings at http://www.cpbibliography.com/news/2010/10/using-koha-learn-linux/
13:56 jcamins koyauni: you'll need to install sudo.
13:56 jcamins wajasu: I have. If you manually delete the second encoding line it will work.
13:56 koyauni I think your wiki, should say, if you miss sudo, run apt-get install sudo
13:54 koyauni it says sudo: command not found
13:54 koyauni when I run this wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -
13:53 wajasu i was trying to apply a patch. anyone ever see this => fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8
13:50 koyauni but man have to do what have to do
13:49 koyauni and it is hard to get old men to pay attention to new tech
13:49 koyauni :) thank you, there is reason no seek pay support, we are in Iraq with no banking system,
13:49 drojf sponsors++
13:48 jcamins koyauni: You should work your way through the instructions, and ask questions only if you run into problems. Since you have decided not to pay for support, you're going to be on your own.
13:47 kf and cool news too
13:47 kf ooh news about the search rewrite on the mailng list
13:46 jcamins There you go.
13:46 koyauni it says, To get the stable 3.8 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file:
13:46 jcamins Is that what it says in the instructions?
13:46 koyauni I add this file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list and add this line deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main to it please?
13:44 kf equinox++ :)
13:44 kf gmcharlt: thx :)
13:44 kf yay :)
13:43 jcamins gmcharlt: thanks.
13:43 gmcharlt the wiki VM ran out of memory at 07:00 EDT today -- we'll keep an eye on it
13:43 jcamins Are you setting up a development environment?
13:42 jcamins No, you need to follow the instructions.
13:42 koyauni or that is only for development
13:42 koyauni http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment#Step:_Install_Koha
13:42 koyauni do I need to do this first
13:40 jcamins Yes.
13:39 koyauni so I use stable version then
13:38 jcamins ^^ follow those instructions.
13:38 wahanui somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
13:38 jcamins packages?
13:38 koyauni cool thanks!
13:38 jcamins gmcharlt: berick got the wiki restarted.
13:38 * tcohen has become a Koha translator this weekend
13:37 jcamins wiki's back.
13:34 jcamins And are limited to the small subset of functionality that they think you should be allowed.
13:34 jcamins koyauni: other than the fact that if you use Google code you're relying on Google.
13:34 koyauni ok, thanks, I guess I have to wait for wiki to come up, I think it is better to use google CODE and Group for your documenation so you skip server issues like this
13:33 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Clatsop Community College Joins the Chinook Library Network and Goes Live on Koha… http://t.co/TvrwZtG8 #kohails"
13:29 wahanui somebody said koha-common was the one you want, the main koha one needs a bit more work (its for setting up a single instance)
13:29 jcamins koha-common
13:29 koyauni what is the nam of the package please
13:25 jcamins koyauni: yes, you can do that.
13:25 koyauni will be any config to point koha to a subdoamin in a package installation?
13:22 jcamins koyauni: you should use packages. At the moment the wiki is down, but there are instructions on the wiki you should follow.
13:21 jcamins It reminded me why I need to learn Spanish. :)
13:21 koyauni I am new to koha what will the best pack to install, I have a dedicated server running Debian 6+ , but I have many domains on this server, I want koha to run under one of my subdomain,
13:20 tcohen hehehe
13:19 jcamins We managed to get things working, but it probably would've taken you all of five minutes. ;)
13:18 tcohen next time mail me, i will get it in my phone
13:18 jcamins It's probably on the same server the wiki is on.
13:18 jcamins He used Google translate to translate what he wanted to say into English, and I used Google translate to translate what I wanted to say into Spanish.
13:18 koyauni it does not resolve
13:18 koyauni do you know what is wrong with http://debian.koha-community.org/
13:18 tcohen oh
13:18 jcamins We had a Spanish speaker in need of some help.
13:17 tcohen what was going on this weekend?
13:17 koyauni hi
13:17 tcohen hi jcamins
13:17 jcamins tcohen: good morning. You were missed over the weekend.
13:13 wajasu yeah, another path in the code. i know there are lots of rules. i i'll find the other path.
13:13 tcohen morning #koha
13:09 * kf gets out a net to catch eythian next time he arrives
13:09 kf wajasu: my items were on the same record - maybe that's another edge case to look into
13:09 wajasu puzzling. but i'll try it with your use case. i had actually seen multiple itmes handled, so i never got into that code.
13:01 kf and the fine still not :(
13:01 kf the problem is after your patch the listing does not work - only one item appears
13:01 kf the triggering seems alright in master
13:01 kf my test case got a bit confused with midnight :)
13:00 kf wajasu: did you see my second comment?
12:59 wajasu kf: i guess the overdue_notice has a lot more things wrong with it. i'll work on it some more (triggerring).
12:43 eythian hiya
12:42 kf wb eythian
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12:16 magnuse kia ora jcamins
12:12 kf and good morning :)
12:12 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
12:11 kf thx jcamins_away
12:11 kf ah
12:11 jcamins_away kf: there hasn't been any activity on the EG channel yet, so I think Equinox hasn't opened for business today yet.
12:11 kf hm maybe we shoudl mail gmcharlt?
12:07 clrh snif
12:06 kf clrh: I think equinox is hosting it
12:06 kf clrh: yes
12:02 clrh koha-community wiki is down ?
11:23 kf gmcharlt: ping?
10:39 slef at least at one firm I remember
10:38 slef They've "branches" in each building and then some get located in staff offices if the librarians think it would be helpful for a case that they are working on.
10:38 mtompset well, considering the companies that I experienced that in didn't have a librarian, no one would object. ;)
10:37 slef mtompset: I think their librarians would object to that ;)
10:37 mtompset slef: that's not really an organized library, but I know exactly what you mean.
10:36 slef the most entertaining ones I've met are company libraries where no books leave the building - they just change location between offices
10:36 mtompset http://library.columbia.edu/content/libraryweb/services/faq/lio/noncirculating.html seems to be a good explanation for that.
10:36 slef mtompset: research and archive collections, mainly
10:36 kf libraries that don't borrow books?
10:35 mtompset non-circulating libraries?
10:34 kf and you still have to find some kind of metric for non circulating libraries
10:34 kf yeah circ stats are hard to get by
10:32 mtompset for a minute there, I thought the wiki was back... not quite.
10:31 slef bbl
10:31 slef let's be generous and hope they have rules of thumb for biblios:activity
10:31 rangi thats a useful metric
10:30 rangi yep
10:30 slef I prefer user accesses and circulation activity, but no-one seems to have that ready :-/
10:30 mtompset it is only useful for determining disk space and RAM you need. :)
10:29 rangi this perpetuates the myth that numbers of biblio records is a useful thing to measure
10:29 rangi mtompset: they use artificial metrics to charge more, oh you have 2 million records, it will cost more
10:27 drojf rort'n'roll
10:27 mtompset Ah... okay. They aren't using FUD to get people to buy theirs. They are rorting people about the lack of awesomeness of their own product.
10:27 slef live+learn
10:27 slef "The term is also used as a verb to mean the act of defrauding, as in "He rorted the system". "
10:26 slef Nameserver not responding :-/ Who broke wp.dg.cx?
10:26 rangi mtompset: its not really fud, its lies about their own stuff
10:25 mtompset Ah... sounds like FUD, rangi. ;)
10:25 kf and circ in house
10:25 kf I think they do a lot of ILL
10:25 eythian slef: don't run that, run patches2fixes
10:25 rangi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rort
10:25 * slef runs patches2bugs
10:25 rangi lies proprietary vendors will tell you
10:25 slef rort?
10:24 rangi maybe i should do that presentation at kohacon13
10:22 rangi because proprietary vendors use numbers of biblios to rort libraries
10:22 * eythian makes a note to add that to my presentation, actually
10:22 kf well, say hi from me then, just in case :)
10:22 rangi its a widespread library thing
10:22 kf eythian: scary :)
10:22 rangi yep
10:22 eythian _I_ know that, he didn't :)
10:22 rangi all you need for that is diskspace
10:22 rangi number of records is meaningless
10:22 mtompset It addresses this.
10:22 eythian kf: I didn't get his name, though he knows you :)
10:21 mtompset What was that article link you posted a while back, rangi?
10:21 drojf rangi: no idea. we get quite some books from them for the non-koha project i work at
10:21 kf eythian: do you remember who it was? I saw a familiar name on the list of attendees
10:21 magnuse i think it's related to the "if it's free it can't be any good" idea
10:21 rangi drojf: probably not like delhi public
10:21 magnuse i think the idea that koha is only suitable for small libraries is widespread
10:21 eythian along with the marc::mir guy
10:20 drojf rangi: i think they curculate a lot
10:20 rangi a 500k library that does circ would be much more demanding
10:20 eythian We're going to be chatting over beers this evening.
10:20 eythian yes, I said that.
10:20 drojf with the small ibraries
10:20 drojf i think that has been long ago
10:20 rangi it will work just fine
10:20 rangi state libraries dont circulate much
10:20 eythian I think he has the idea that it's for small libraries.
10:19 drojf why would it not?
10:19 eythian Was briefly talking to a guy from the Berlin state library. He has the idea that Koha won't work with their size (12mil records)
10:09 kf true
10:09 rangi unlike he is awake
10:09 kf gmcharlt: ping?
10:09 magnuse moahaha
10:09 rangi equinox
10:09 kf yeah, that's the problem :)
10:08 magnuse kf: it's on the wiki ;-)
10:08 kf hm, does someone remember who hosts the wiki?
10:08 eythian this marc::mir thing looks good
10:06 eythian it's 4 spaces, but there is Old Code in there
10:06 mtompset kf, I blame my medications for my poor memory. :P
10:05 kf and that you are only supposed to reindent your new code and where you change code - to keep history ;)
10:05 kf mtompset: I rmember telling you it's 4 spaces
10:04 mtompset Seems the wiki is down.
10:03 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
10:03 magnuse coding guidelines?
10:01 mtompset (i.e. one section is written with one size, and another part with another, and another with spaces)
10:00 mtompset Okay, I know we aren't suppose to have indentation wars, but have we a standard that is preferred? I hate reading code, and having to change the tab-sizes multiple times in the same function.
09:57 magnuse i get a failing test when i try to cpan it
09:57 mtompset But it is copyright 2012, so MARC::Moose is very new, it would seem.
09:56 mtj fredericd++ marc::moose == impressive!
09:52 magnuse kf: yup, think so
09:52 kf ?
09:52 kf hm isn't gmcharlt maintainer of marc::record
09:51 eythian and translator plugins to make this work
09:51 eythian also yaml to MARC conversion as part of the module, with names (e.g. 'author') for fields.
09:51 wahanui it has been said that DSL is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-specific_language
09:51 kf DSL?
09:50 magnuse DSL is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-specific_language
09:50 mbalmer http://www.vnode.ch/node/42 fwiw ;)
09:49 eythian with_fields { @$_ = grep {(tag) !~ /^9/} @$_ } $record;
09:49 magnuse ah, thanks mbalmer
09:49 mbalmer domain specific language
09:49 magnuse dsl?
09:49 mtj ie: a marc2turbomarc tool
09:48 mtj is their a turbomarc 'converter' anywhere?
09:48 magnuse by none other then fredericd, even
09:48 eythian oh, this makes a DSL to operate on MARC
09:48 magnuse wow http://search.cpan.org/dist/marc-moose/
09:48 eythian I've never seen it
09:48 eythian apparently
09:48 magnuse there is a marc::moose?
09:47 eythian any_field { tag eq '010' and say value } $record
09:46 mtj regexs even, too?
09:46 eythian hmm, this doesn't look too bad really. it has iterators, grep, map etc.
09:46 mtj ah yep, still … its at least improvable
09:44 eythian It's just not very nice to use, although I think a lot of that is being close to MARC
09:43 mtj hmm, why is marc::record bad?
09:39 eythian and how marc::record, marc::moose etc are bad. I can agree so far :)
09:38 eythian OK, so far a lot about how marc is bad :)
09:35 wahanui looks like it is probably a replicate of /usr/share/koha/misc
09:35 rangi drojf: looks like it
09:32 asaurat hehe
09:32 mtompset MARC ... nice play on words.
09:29 eythian that's the one
09:29 kf eiro
09:29 magnuse and he is called MARC Chantreux, i think ;-)
09:29 asaurat Marc Chantreux ? =)
09:28 eythian yeah, ex biblibre person it turns out.
09:28 magnuse eythian: and there is a talk on marc? wow!
09:28 drojf is the koha wiki down?
09:27 drojf mag: what kind of source?
09:26 eythian yeah
09:25 magnuse eythian: this is a general perl conference, right? not a library specific thing?
09:24 mag i m trying to do it directly from internet
09:22 eythian magnuse: an excellent point
09:22 magnuse eythian: how could it not? ;-)
09:21 kf you can find the information in the manual in the tools section - staged marc import
09:21 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
09:21 kf manual?
09:21 kf if you have marc data from the vendors or sources you use the normal staged marc import
09:19 mag i want to import biblio info on marc from other source
09:19 kf mag: sorry, Iam not sure what you want to do
09:19 kf it probably will
09:18 eythian I hope it acknowledges that MARC is terrible :)
09:18 kf ah :)
09:18 eythian waiting for the talk on MARC::MIR to start
09:18 eythian hi
09:18 magnuse kia ora eythian
09:18 kf wb eythian
09:18 mag but if i want to get data on any subject with links on say springer
09:17 kf mag: where are you from?
09:17 mag thats it
09:17 kf currently it doesn't support uploading pdf for example - you normally have the links in your records and then that's how you access the information on another server
09:16 kf you can describe any media in marc21 - but koha is not a digital library
09:16 kf bibiographic data can describe anything
09:16 mag or ebooks and journal articles
09:16 mag fine, would it be only biblio data
09:15 kf mag: to import into koha you need marc21 records
09:15 kf mag: it depends on the format you get the data in
09:14 mag can anybody guide how to import opensource and other purchased resources like Springer and Taylor and francais in koha
09:13 kf hi mag
09:12 mag hi
09:10 kf hm no, don't think it is
09:09 magnuse but i don't think it's displayed anywhere?
09:09 magnuse you can probably give it a default value when you import borrowers? and set it in a spreadsheet that you import?
09:08 kf at least
09:08 kf not sure if we could delete it? I think you can't put something in there since 3.0
09:07 kf magnuse: yeah - it's hard to explain that - I had to for the privacy documents
09:06 * magnuse wonders at the "ethnicity" field in the borrowers table, again
08:59 rangi thats cos dog cheese is gross
08:59 mtj if it had been a dog, well…. there would have been a public outcry!
08:58 mtj although, i found the use of the possum to sell a 'product' on television, exploitative and offensive :/
08:44 mtj rangi, cheers, that was great :)
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08:42 mtompset Love the subtitle: "That dolphin swallowed a man!"
08:41 kf rangi: the dolphin is great :)
08:40 kf hello eythian :)
08:38 eythian hello
08:37 wahanui hmmm... eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence
08:37 rangi hey eythian
08:37 mtj yay for computers! :)
08:35 rangi i like the robot dolphin
08:35 mtj my fav.. kimbra live with a sampler -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7GLvMYSHI
08:34 rangi mtj: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96vH_nfXsI8&feature=plcp
08:33 mtj rangi, girl on swing and little doggy ? :)
08:32 mtj url even?
08:32 mtj nope, 1 tic...
08:31 rangi mtj: have you seen the new vodafone ad?
08:25 magnuse lol
08:08 rangi http://weirdinwellington.com/post/29816364090/tasman-street
08:04 mtj like, the offical DAISY consortium player - built using windows MFC
07:58 rangi yup
07:58 mtj often project with best intentions… but software built on closed-source software stacks...
07:57 rangi yes
07:57 mtj theres a weird similar level of software fail in the text-speech market, as library market
07:56 rangi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screen_readers
07:56 rangi lots here
07:56 rangi is one ive heard of
07:56 rangi nvda i think
07:55 mtj ok, next...
07:55 mtj SLAPPPPP
07:55 rangi :)
07:55 mtj they *are* totally different :p
07:54 mtj rangi, oops yeah, i'm getting DAISY mixed up as a webbrowser text-to-speech player, not a file spec :/
07:52 kf for linux
07:51 rangi it's handy having a blind colleague
07:51 kf I think lupin worked on some too
07:51 rangi ill ask julius what the current least sucky one is
07:51 rangi totally diffferent things
07:51 rangi daisy is a file format, not a screen reader
07:51 mtj gotcha
07:51 mtj rangi, is there better FOSS software. similar to DAISY ?
07:51 rangi yep, there are some free software readers, but they suck
07:49 mtj -> http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/jaws-product-page.asp
07:49 mtj bah, JAWS is non-free
07:47 mtj rangi++ thanks, awesome info
07:47 rangi superceded by all the crappy drm ridden audiobook formats
07:46 rangi afaik (ill check with julius (our accessibility expert) tomorrow) DAISY is dead
07:46 kf hm not solved - ongoing effort I would say
07:45 mtj ok ok, problem solved already :)
07:45 rangi but the staff client has issues
07:45 rangi the OPAC is pretty good, and as long as we keep labelling things with good labels, not stupid things like click here :) it will continue to be good
07:44 rangi lupin already did a lot of work on that
07:44 rangi making koha work well with that, would be far more useful, most visually impaired people will have a player already
07:44 mtj yeah.... :)
07:44 rangi things like JAWS do that
07:44 rangi mtj: daisy isnt for doing on the fly text to speech
07:43 mtj well, text-to-speech has got nothing to do with koha, from a configuration perspective, but….
07:43 rangi it'd still be a browser thing
07:43 drojf if you want to offer the contents directly from the opac it's a koha thing ;)
07:42 rangi i think making sure koha works well with screen readers is a better goal
07:42 rangi not a koha thing
07:42 rangi surely thats a browser thing
07:42 mtj Koha opacs with text-to-speech readers, for disabled people
07:41 * rangi is failing to see the link with Koha
07:41 mtj i think i mean 'DAISY has no FOSS players, for a browser'
07:40 mtj drojf++ thanks , nice link :) i have found some other examples too
07:39 rangi its just a standard for audio material, im not sure how/why we would want to do anything more than catalogue DAISY items
07:39 mtj ie: update the spec to use ogg, send the ogg patch, etc… :)
07:39 kf good morning #koha
07:38 mtj oh well, its fixable surely?
07:37 mtj wow so it is - what a fail ?!
07:35 rangi yep
07:35 drojf that's what wikipdia said
07:34 mtj woah DASIY uses mp3 ?!
07:34 wahanui mtompset: wish i knew
07:34 mtompset wahanui should know these, for people who don't.
07:34 wahanui OK, mtompset.
07:34 mtompset wahanui: afaict is As Far As I Can Tell.
07:34 mtj 'as far a i can tell'
07:33 * rangi will continue to resist storing things in Koha .. there are tools for that already, storing metadata is fine
07:33 mtompset afaict?
07:33 rangi but afaict its just another thing to catalogue
07:33 wahanui OK, mtompset.
07:33 mtompset wahanui: FOSS is Free and Open-Source Software.
07:33 rangi be better if it was ogg, not mp3, thats an issue for any FOSS player
07:32 mtompset FOSS?
07:31 drojf http://code.google.com/p/mobile-daisy-html5-player/
07:30 mtj meh, afaict, no current FOSS software players for DAISY :(
07:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8377 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Signed Off , Show HTML5 video/ audio for media files in OPAC and staff client
07:29 drojf mtj: i'm not familiar with DAISY but maybe it's possible to enhance bug 8377 to support this?
07:29 magnuse hehe
07:26 mtj "Currently only works in Firefox 3.x and not in Firefox 4+. Further development is under consideration."
07:26 mtj … FF plugin looks a little non-active recently tho… :(
07:25 mtj via a firefox plugin ? https://launchpad.net/daisyextension
07:24 mtj oooh, and Koha + DAISY? a worthy idea :) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAISY_Digital_Talking_Book
07:23 mtompset Sorry. I do not, mtj.
07:21 mtj anyone have any koha + (vufind or blacklight) stories?
07:21 wahanui mtompset: I forgot mtompset
07:21 mtompset wahanui: forget mtompset
07:21 mtompset No... today I'm back at looking at Koha code.
07:20 wahanui i guess mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons.
07:20 drojf hey mtompset
07:20 mtompset Greetings, drojf.
07:20 mtompset People appreciate it. :)
07:20 mtompset Yes, but it is nice to use a person's language if you even know un petite peu.
07:19 drojf hi #koha
07:17 gaetan_B (i do a lot of mistakes myself!)
07:17 gaetan_B ça va bien mtompset ! but don't worry, i don't expect people to master french ;)
07:16 mtompset Hmm... is the bot missing? or are you now undefined, mbalmer?
07:16 mtompset mblamer?
07:15 mbalmer (and all of koha)
07:15 mbalmer hi cait!
07:10 mtompset Greetings, matts
07:10 mtompset Comme ca va, gaetan_B? (sorry if my French is rusty. I don't practice what they taught in highschool.)
07:04 mtompset You remembered. :)
07:04 * mtompset feels loved.
07:03 gaetan_B salutations mtompset ;)
07:03 mtompset Greetings, gaetan_B
07:03 gaetan_B hello #koha
07:02 mtompset I think I'll ignore it. :)
07:02 mtompset I triggered the error again. YAY!
07:02 mtompset AHA!
06:56 mtompset Greetings, reiveune
06:52 reiveune hello
06:51 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Warning messages in koha-zebradaemon-output.log" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/125
06:50 mtompset Anyone here? :)
06:50 mtompset #koha.
06:50 mtompset Greetings, $koha.
06:44 wahanui hey, julian_m
06:44 julian_m hello
06:39 cait hi mveron, mbalmer and all
06:39 matts hi !
06:39 cait hi matts
06:37 * mhk shall not lurk here.
06:28 * mveron waves to everybody
06:27 mtj ooh marcgrep -> https://github.com/marktriggs/marcgrep
06:24 cait :)
06:17 * magnuse waves at cait
06:16 * cait waves too
06:12 * magnuse waves
06:05 mveron Good morning #koha
05:59 mtj … the bacon story is just bizzare?! O_o
05:59 mtj sorry, very off-topic, but interesting -> http://www.cracked.com/article_19833_the-7-sneakiest-ways-corporations-manipulated-human-behavior.html
03:03 wajasu i mean 8378
03:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8673 was not found.
03:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8607 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , overdue_notices is broken
03:03 wajasu ok. reading up on everyones effort for bug 8607 and bug 8673